/fraud/

JBFLGF

>>40246479
>back gets itchy
>have to force my arm into position using my other arm in order to scratch it because lifting has removed my upper body flexibility

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Help me buy pins? I'm only doing 1ml of test. I'm just now reading that you use one needle for drawing and another for injecting.
> what length? 1"?
> what gauges
> use new shit every time, correct? I'm only looking at ~28 pins.

swapping out the needles for drawing/injecting seems wasteful, but i can see why you'd want to, i guess..

>>40246542
>spending a few extra cents to make sure you arent using a dull needle to inject pieces of rubber into your ass seems wasteful

>>40246542
read the fucking wiki

>>40246542
You should google how quickly the edge of a needle degrades and blunts with each puncture. Reusing a needle is a surefire way to cause excess scar tissue.

28 will take forever to pin as well. Use a 20-22 for drawing and a 25 for pinning.

>>40246550
no, i mean throwing away a needle that you used one time to draw liquid out of a vial seems wasteful

> these are way cheaper than i expected tho

>>40246554
i came here after reading the wiki and having additional questions once i actually got to a pin source site and was confused by what combos i need to get

>>40246564
read ALL of it

there's a page about how to inject and you didn't read it, go back there now

>>40246558
i saw that pic. it is indeed scary. i have no intention of reusing a needle for injecting

>>40246566
if you are talking about this. i read it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/thecycle/injecting

>>40246479
That webm made me smile, thanks anon

>>40246559
so don't do it then

>>40246571
it answers all the questions in >>40246542 so either you didn't read it or you're incredibly stupid

>>40246585
> Typically, users use a 18-23g for drawing and 23-27g for injecting

that's all they say, and that's a pretty big range. i dont want to wind up with 49 pins that i wont use because they are too small or too large. i assume certain gauges are better for larger or different kinds of oil. i will be using 1ml.

>>40246603
kill yourself

>>40246603
21-23g for drawing (it literally doesn't fucking matter) and 25g for pinning

>>40246641
thank you. i wasnt sure if having too small a gauge would make the draw go so fast that i'd fuck up and overfill it.

> noob shit

>>40246603
okay so the answer is you're stupid, but at least you read it so that's fine

the range is there because it depends on personal choices/availability of pins. for drawing it doesn't really matter, you're just drawing shit from a vial. as long as you're above 18g you won't fuck up the stopper. larger means faster drawing, that's about it.

for injecting, anything within the range (and even smaller if you don't mind waiting like 4 minutes to fully inject one goddamn cc) is fine. larger means more "painful" but faster injections, vice versa for smaller. that's also where availability comes into play, depending on where you order, you might not be able to get anything smaller than 23g at 1.5" length. 25g is imo perfect, at 23g you have to control yourself and not inject too fast because the pin will let you, and that's how you end up with a hydraulic water cutter. if you're a pussy scared of needles and the pain, consider going smaller (27-29g)

>>40246653
Of you overfill you just push it back in the vial.

>>40246653
Even if you draw too much oil just press the plunger and inject the excess back into the vial. Anything larger than 21g (eg 18g) will chew up the rubber stopper. 21g is perfect imo, oil flows nice and quick and its not too damaging.

>>40246653
that's funny

if you overdraw and fill to 1.4ml you aren't forced to inject 1.4ml you know, you can just resend it into the vial.

Goddamn please screencap this conversation. This is what happens when autists bodybuild.

>what if I only do 3/4 rom do I have to start over from 1?

Did alex's stomach end up exploding?

>started blast at 12% bf
>now over 20% 6 weeks in
Well, I may have overdone it. Now I'm not sure whether to keep going, become a fat fuck and just cut harder once I'm done to not waste my cycle or just do gay ass recomping shit and get suboptimal results.

... Seeing my face become this fat is killing me though.

>>40246678
>availability of pins
that wasn't something i had even considered as an issue. makes a lot more sense after i check my privilege

>>40246723
lol tfw i did this my first """blast""" because fucking moron imbecile niggers on reddit told me that if i "didn't regret it", i didn't eat enough

so i stuffed my retard ass and ate like 2k+ over maintenance and just got to like ~23% bf, up from sub 10%, hence the DNP I ran at the start of summer. then my glands started up shortly after

Also is there a way to stop this bullshit of my organs buldging out on tren? it doesnt happen on anything else. mainly lower abdominal area.

pretty sure the tren indigestion is compounding with this pilocarpine niggerchlorides "gastrointestinal disorder" side effect

>>40246479
that webm is cute as fuck. is that CAGE?

Itchy scalp help

Heres what I take daily in addition to test 100 q 3 days
Zinc
L arginine
Anavar 20mg
Milk thistle
L carnitine

My scalp itches like crazy during a workout its fine throught the day

>>40246805
>>40246824
You have zero idea what you're doing.

>three new clients today
>photographer wants to shoot me
>job interview at gym
>delts bulging more but left may be lagging
>gf got subway for dinner
>gf then got a flat tire second one in two weeks
>it's sleeting outside
>she's gonna be moody
>still a good day for me

>>40246879
yea no shit for my first blast i didn't know shit. just did what reddit told me. "eat like horse hur!!!" "eat the house lol!!!" "if you dont regret a meal it wasnt enough!!!"

>>40246902
And you're still fucking retarded.

>>40246902

The pics of ppl on Reddit after 2 year blast and cruise didn't give u reason to question them? Lol

>roiding to look fat
>swallow Clen to get to 15%
>+2000 surplus back to 1 million % bodyfat

The fact that ppl there look at pics of ppl that legit look like I do after 'blast and cruise 2 year' and say 'good job' should tell u how retarded and dyel they are

Also stuff like this "not all of us want to look like we spend 20 hours a week in the gym, he did good, this is what girls want"

No I am not making that comment up

PSA: reminder to hide alex and gland posts

>>40246950
Don't forget to filter me.

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>>40246707

god damnit motherfucker, you jinxed it

>>40246706

great, now I'm reading every single one of these posts like they're the autistic reporter from the onion

Is it normal to have PIP after every pin?

Usually sets in 8ish hours after pinning and lasts a few days.

>>40246969
done & done

cancerous faggots

>>40246980
It's probably something in the batch you're injecting. Some ugl gear does that.

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Hey what's the quickest way to Bitcoin now that circle is kill?

>>40246942
inb4 gso allergy

My left nipple is burning the fuck up. I've had some nipple tingling before when my AI was dosed incorrectly but never a straight up burning feeling. My AI is also where it's been for weeks without issue now...

Wtf

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>>40246980
>>40247029
complimentary chinese heavy metals

nothing to worry about really

I have 150*10mg caps of dbol. I've done dbol before so I'm willing to go up to 50mg ED. Is it better to do 50mg ED for 30 days or 40mg ED for 5 weeks with 50mg ED for first 10 days.
This is for a kickstart for a tren e 400mg/week cycle with test base. I want to use it all.

>>40247042
localbitcoins or whatever its called

>>40247049
prob 5 weeks

>>40246603
I use 23g 1 1/2" for drawing and 25g 1 1/2" for pinning.

If you have a 10ml vial then poking huge holes in it with a big needle several times can risk contamination from anything getting in after the top has been butt fucked by thick cock veiny needles. A 23g draws easy but it's relatively thin and a 25g is painless.

>>40245158
>DHEA effects on 250mg test
Not a waste of my time at all - exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!


>>40246558
>28 will take forever to pin as well
Can confirm this, pin with 27g, takes forever. Comfy when you heat up the oil in a water bath though. No way I would have the patience with it if I was pinning more than 0.5mL at a time.


Doesn't stop quad pip for me but glute pip is nonexistent for me with 27g.

>>40247042
I have like a $150 weekly limit of instantly available BTC on coinbase. More if I use my bank account (but it takes multiple days). I think glands is right about localbitcoins being way quicker for large amounts.

>>40247174
I get no pip in quads with 25g and 2ml of oil. Maybe cos my gear has no BB.

>>40246558
That photo is a myth. Needles are made out of steel, a far far harder substance than human flesh, it makes no sense that something so much softer would dull them. Diabetics are allowed to reuse their needles since there is no risk for cross contamination. Id say using a needle repeatedly here is safe as long as it remains clean.

>>40247268
>retards unironically believe this

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>>40246479
I just realized something. Do pretty much all male strippers use steroids?

I've been worrying about legal issues, health issues, and side effects of taking steroids but I'm now realizing how normal it is to take them. I've been a member of 6 different gyms and every single one of them has multiple obvious roiders (including most of the staff that work there). All professional athletes take some kind of drugs. And now I realize male strippers roid too. If all these people are doing roids then obviously the health problems and legal concerns are overblown

>>40247434
>If all these people are doing roids then obviously the health problems and legal concerns are overblown
oy vey shut it down the goyim know

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>500mg dnp + tren/test/eq
>ate 2500 total calories for the day

WHY AM I SUCH A FAT BITCH?! IS IT SO FUCKIN HARD TO EAT ONLY 1500 CALS A DAY?!

>>40247566
try like 700 faggot

why is reddit just pure fucking autism? just PURE. AUTISM.

like they are literally more autistic than the people spamming frogs and hating girls on r9k.

>>40247646
>just PURE. AUTISM.
easy there cancer chipmunk

>>40247646
>Says shit with no context

Glands. YOU are the autismist!

Successfully completed my first homebrew.
Was so easy and saved me $300+-
Best looking tren I've seen in my life too.

>>40247746
Cant wait to order my raws.

Did you use pre sterilised vials and inject it in, or sterilise open vials and use a crimper?

How much does your routine matter when on gear?

>>40247840
Doesn't matter really. I would say diet matters more. As long as you have a good-or-better routine you will grow

>>40246505
is OPs webm a lots of muscle problem or an absolutely no flexibility problem?

i can touch the sides of my back as long as i use some force and the opposite hand

>>40247918
oh he prolly just has a pump going and its making it extra difficult

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Do you mother fuckers bother to use a proxy + bitcoins when ordering gear online or do you just throw caution to the wind because the risk is so low for law enforcement to care enough to bust you? (united states of america)

as long as I order domestic I don't see much reason to be cautious

>>40247927
retards buy a lot worse shit than steroids from their fuckin macbooks using chrome and PayPal but it never hurts to be careful

>>40247840
Doesn't matter at all. Just choose whatever you can be consistent with. Brosplits are fine for aesthetics. Protein synthesis window is elevated so you don't need to train a muscle as frequently as natties.

>>40247840
do PPL with huge or something like that. you maybe can even do ULULULx depending on your goals

>>40247927
Just buy off the darknet if you're paranoid.

>>40247927

all my gear and dnp has been bought simply through a bank transfer.

it's in the UK though so nobody really gives a shit.

>>40247961
huge volume i meant

>>40247906
>>40247951

Opinions on frequency vs volume?

>>40247969
i think volume is most important

>>40247434
>a lot of people smoke and drink so obviously its not the most unhealthy shit on the planet

>>40247434
Not really. Some do but a lot of male strippers aren't really that built. It's more about being able to dance and entertain a crowd than looking roided out.

>>40247969
Volume for size, frequency for strength.

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>>40247434

Really? What do the PTs in your gym look like? They are all dyel as fuck in mine.

I never see them actually working out though, or lifting, so maybe they ARE reddit tier 'roids + don't lift look natty dyel' roiders.

I'm bigger while being leaner than 50%+ of the PTs in my gym after 5 months natty, to give you an idea how bad the situation is there.

Only one PT is one gear.

Anyways, people really piss me off with this 'anyone with any muscle is roiding' shit

Why don't u actually try your hardest and see some progress and then you will know it is possible to be a dyel without steroids lol?

Look, in CBT, they scream roids roids at me.

Wouldn't it be easier to try and lift instead of just screaming roids at anyone with ANY muscle no matter how dyel?

>do starting strength
>eat pizza
>do madcow
>eat pizza
>do this
>eat pizza and mcodnalds
>never train seriously
>don't even reach DYEL mode after years of "lifting" and "nutrition"

Then you go scream roids at everyone? Pathetic.

>>40247268
yea bro what the fuck, right?

anyway I can shred metal guys, I can easily tear apart aluminium-foil, and that's metal

>>40248016
So then blasting a body part once a week with hig volume is optimal for hypertrophy?

>>40248018
>dude im too retarded to breathe and my 6 sets of biceps curls and ab supersets 7x a week arent making me big
>that guy must be roiding lmao

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>>40248033
Correct.

>>40248050

lol

if u look at me and think 'this can only be done with roids' then the worst thing is you are so lazy you will not even gain any muscle on roids ahahha

>guys I've been going to the gym as a natty and doing 45 REPS a workout
>'It's impossible to gain even 2 molecules of muscle natty'

Hmmm

You'd think at some point in their peanut brains they would think 'well maybe I should just do something differently since this isn't working clearly'

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>tfw looking the doctor deep in the eyes and telling him I'm not frauding

>>40247434
>>40247927
Arnold became the governor of California while being an open roider. Nobody cares dude just order your gear in small personal-use quantities.

>>40248018
They are very obviously roiding my man. I have 3 personal trainers in my gym who despite having retarded routines, are golden gods of body building and win competitions at the state level consistently.

is that a white pride tattoo on that guys arm in OPs video?

>>40248075
People are too gullible, they follow advice from fake natty meme bloggers and youtubers thinking it will get them anywhere.

>>40248018
Alex that you? How do you actually train?

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>>40248075
i blame brosplits for it all. most people can benefit from high frequency and high volume, the serious lifters can worry about the wheight there throwing up on the bar, after there big and have been through the natty gains and trial and error for juggling two of the simplest concepts down.

most people are far to lazy and weak minded to fight the soreness and pain needed for true muscle growth.

>>40248104

everyone fucking dyel at my gym man, because it's a commericial gym in the suburbs

there is a couple of guys past natty limit, couple guys that is probally fraud could be natty, other than that, just skeleton men twigs

ALso man

>>40248075

I love to be proven right. Starting strength + bad diet, no muscle, everyone with muscle is roiding, no matter how little they are.

>>>40248073

>'To see my numbers go up'

So he is lifting just to see his numbers go up, then he gets angsty when people have more muscle mass than him?

How come he don't get angsty when he sees 13 year old girls then? LOL.

WHy can't he just be honest to himself and admit he want to get big, and then do a routine that will make him bigger?

Are SARMs even worth anything? I was considering MK-677 for my first ever cycle but then I realized it's weaker and more expensive than just regular Test-E. And both are illegal anyway. So what's the point of running MK-677 then?

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>>40248111

Yeah it's me.

People always flamed me, but I spend like 3 hours a day in the gym doing super sets and shit, as a natty.

They flamed and flamed and then they realize that after 5 months natty and starving myself, I made more gains than most natties after years of cut and bulk cycles and working out 30 mins 3 times a week, and they shut up.

Since this photo was taken I have increased my volume a lot.

>>40248110

I followed advice from big roiders as a natty and it got me progress.

Their mistake is they follow advice from small roiders as a natty.

>>40248128

The sorness and the pain means you are fucking doing it, that your muscles will grow.

I love that feeling. I love it, I crave it, I need it.

You're 100% right, if it isn't hard, you aren't gonna grow, simple.

>>40248151
MK isnt a sarm idiot its a growth hormone releaser. And its worth it alongside roids but not by itself.

>>40248033
Optimal? Probably not. Close enough? Yeah buddy.

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I feel good

>>40248154
Good job man, keep it up. Obv the volume is working for you so fuck em

>>40248164
You look good. Whens the tat getting finished?

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>>40248154
your doing well just hit the gym and eat as much protien, fats and veggies as you can stomach. for dat dere lean gains.

1/4 cup of these dry
brown rice
quinoa
lentils
split peas

throw in rice maker on white rice and the total of it dry would be

31 grams of protien and 700ish calories.
shit ratio but multiple sources of fiber, carbs and micro nutrients needed to grow.

you need varity not just rice and broccli. learn to sautee and learn to cook. multiple sources is your only concern

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>>40248175
Not sure. Probably really soon. I picked up four clients today. Maybe another 2 or 3 signing up tomorrow depending on if they hold up commitments.

Shoot in 2 weeks. I might invest in a 4-5 hour sit down this month and that could knock out my forearm. It'll probably be another K before it's good.

Bikini barista for your time.

Looking for an oral for second blast. Loving the fuck out of 20mg/day sdrol (finisher) on 500mg test but looking to take a break from something so harsh and not excited about the heartburn it gives me.

Next blast will be 525mg/wk test and 350 npp for 16 was. Anadrol @ 50mg/d or dbol @ I don't know how much? Thoughts on either? Which one would be easier on liver? Would like to run the oral for the first 6 weeks ideally.

>>40248205
50 drol/20 dbol stacked be a big boy.

Alternatively, try out some epistane or msten.

>>40248195
Oh right, i always forget how expensive tattoos are. How difficult is it training clients? Do you just put them on PPL and teach them to count calories?

>>40248205
Anadrol is less hepatotoxic, run it at 100mg. 50 is decent but it shines at 100 imo. Also doesn't aromatize and bloats less than dbol.

>>40248434
No I hate cookie cutter bullshit. I try to tailor as much to their needs as possible. They're paying me for solutions and my goals aren't theirs.

If they want to "tone up" and theyre only comfy eating what's in the fridge and walking 15 minutes a day despite my best intentions, then that's they're money spent. I can guide them but I can't make them.

All in all most people listen because I look like I know what I'm doing, and they've seen the results of people who do what I say.

>>40248193

appreciate

you natty right?

you think you're gonna stay natty forever or just looking for that limit and then hopping on?


>need variety

am I gonna lose gains eating the same shit or are you just talking about in terms of quality of life?

also, proper macro split seems to want me to get like 170 grams of protien, but I'd rather get like 300 desu and eat more tasty chicken

not advisable because I get less carbs in my diet?

I don't know how people have problems eating 1g/lb protien or whatever, meat is tasty

>>40248479

because if it's quality of life you are talking about I couldn't care less I like eating the same shit and it's so much easier in terms of watching calories and macros and meal prep to eat the same shit day in and day out

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>>40248479
ive never injected roids but ive taken andros and other hormones like DHEA so by this generals definition im natty despite seeing faster gains from it.

will i hop on the real roids soon ? yes in ze future when im more knowledgeable from here and other sites.

>quality of life?
and quality of gains tend to improve with more variety like the rice combo that i showed you, mixed veggies is easy to cut up in throw in a few bowls then sautee when needed, it lasts a week anyhow so long enough to consume lbs at a time. the reason is more micro nutrients and digestion rates adds to better gains inmo.

40/30/30 carbs, protien, fats is what i consider optimal but its not ideal for goals. 140-180 grams of protien is more than enough for most people but eat as much as you want so long as you workout enough to not waste it as expensive calories instead of acutal protien syntheses

>>40248521
sealed containor lasts for 2 weeks.

i eat like 2lbs at a time so it lasts a week. its a mix of squash, 2 colors of bell pepper, 2 types of onions, jalapeno, cucumber, red cabbage, broccli and carrots.

then add the rice mix on top of that with 1 tilapia and quater pound of homemade sausage and blam muliptle sources of protien and nutrients.

thats my dinner but lunch is always different and i never have time for breakfast so its coffee for that

>>40248479
>tasty chicken
makes me sick just thinking about it...

well all food is doing that to me ATM, thx tren

you know tren sleep """""""""issues"""""""" are actually beast as fuck

>sleep for 2-3 hours a night
>tired as fuck, procrastinated nigger ass lab report
>sleep
>wake up less than 1 hour 20 mins later
>refreshed and pumped as fuck

dicks in my ass

>>40248585
dicks in my ass

>>40248589
the pleasure of being cummed inside

エッチなのか???

>>40248585
just take another hormone to counteract that hormone :^D

melatonion and 1-testosterone (dihydroboldenone)

or an amino acid Gamma aminobutyric acid (GABA)

i had the 1 andro verison of DHB and holy fucking shit did i have to chug pots of coffee to stay awake. unless im getting roids confused again

>>40248449
Prince_disney?

>>40248603
Dhb dont make you sleepy, the 1 andro version would because metabolized by liver and therefore lethargy

>>40248664
that would explain that then. solution or just load more NAC and TUCDA ?

100mg daily right before bed(thinking it would help and was after my workout) felt it disappear after 12 hours of being awake and chugging to keep my work load up

>>40248689
Yeah tudca is best, 500mg minimum 1g preferably.

>>40248813
gonna run 1.5g for 30mg sdrol you think that's overkill or what

>>40248817
and take it all 3 hours after my sdrol right? going to take the 30mg all at once, i heard it lessens the sides

When is it safe to say that a woman is roiding? If she has a bicep the size of her head, is it a safe call?

Also do you worry when you find out about normalfags you know roiding? I doubt they know what they're doing, they probably don't do a PCT or do anything to protect their liver

>>40248585

How are classes glands, how are you doing?

Lol that is how I felt on EC, is this a tren side or are you on any kind of stims?

My thinking is that the stims fuck up yor sleep and you wake up and take stims and you're... stimulated.

Also people bullied me over mastic threads but some months later I am looking at photos and my jaw blew the fuck up from chewing like equivalent to a tren cycle does to people.

I wonder what kind of gains u make from tren + gum

Jeff seid mode?
Like I have an actual jaw it just grew out of nowhere in a few months

I am interested to see peek's progress.

Man glands, this dysmorphia. I am so tempted to cut but I know it's not the right course of action. I will maintain just for a little, let my stomach stretch, hopefully that last scrap of fat on my hips GTFO in recomp

>>40248825

I assume your typical normie is doing like a oasteraine cycle or some lgd with no PCT so they probably won't fuck themselves up too badly

Kahuna even did a year long blast and then no PCT and he is still alive and pretty big so...

@ Peek: please take photos before and after of jaw.

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>>40248825
>PCT

>yea i blasted all this knowledge in university then did a forgetfulness protocol to give my brain a break

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>That feel when I am a fucking ginger and can't tan or else I will get melanoma

What the fuck man. No matter how pumped I get I will always be a pale sickly loser. I don't even want to be dark tan I just want a healthy golden glow. Fuck me, being born a ginger in the USA is only a few difficulty settings away from being born a rice farmer in rural china. I want out of this cruel game.

>>40248899

U think MasT and Bimbo look sickly?

Anyways ask glands there is some shit you can pin yourself with to get tan

>>40248920
Bimbo looks sickly as fuck lol

>>40248899
>>40248968
What the fuck is with Americans / Australians and the obsession to be tan? Being pale doesn't make you look sickly.

>>40248978
yes it does, being tan is a sign of being outside which is a sign of health

also tans hide blemishes and ruddiness

>>40247174
>exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!
Anytime m8. I've found out in the meantime (own interest sparked again because of your question so I brought it up) that my half-brother diddled around with topical pregnenolone for quite a while but he was busy so I had no time to really talk about the matter, also he's a bit of a pussy talking about """supplements""" over skype in general lol, I might report back in a later thread about it if you're still interested.

>>40248978
Most people nowadays work indoors. It's a sign of wealth to be able to maintain a tan.

A century ago everyone (well, the people who cared about how their skin looked i.e. women) wanted to be pale just like the Asians still do today.

>>40248033
On gear more than once a week is easily doable.

>>40248160
what do you consider close enough then

i used to do 2x a week, notice way more gains and less feeling like fucking shit on 1x a week

>>40249083
i mean what do you consider optimal*

>>40248817
>>40248823
Nope not overkill and yeah 3h after is perfect

>>40249091
2x a week split. Or fullbody every day, so long as total weekly volume is the same.

>>40249141
alright kill yourself goodbye

>>40249072

Being tan makes u look more shredded though

If you are 170 lbs you really need be extra boost

Seeing as how this is a steroid General I assume that is why people here want to be tanned

>>40249144
2x a week is best you reckon?

>>40249161
i used to do 2x and personally am seeing way way way way way more gains on 1x a week.

went from PPL to a 5 day split, total of about ~75 sets a week.

the thing that made me switch was that i saw everyone who looks good does a 5 day split. has to be for a reason.

>>40249160
w2c BB pre-comp brown cream

i want to look like a freshly grilled turkey at the very least

>>40249174
Both whilst geared?

>>40249161

You're on roids like why are you gonna have a problem training a muscle group even 3.5 times a week at all

That gives the muscle a full 48 hours to recover and to heal

I do it natty with test level of 3000ngl or whatever the fuck why would you even run into problems

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see why I am wrong

Unless you have a time constraint? Then it changes things, then you either very busy or you have bad time management (4chan posting, shitposting in fraud all day, etc)

>>40249182

Yeah xoxo

>>40249174

How is this possible am I just running my mouth on shit I don't know anything about again?

It doesn't make sense logically but if people say it works then it usually does I am learning

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>>40249187
>I do it natty with test level of 3000ngl

>>40249174
>the thing that made me switch was that i saw everyone who looks good does a 5 day split. has to be for a reason.
What is "confirmation bias"

>>40249184
of course

>>40249198
>It doesn't make sense logically but if people say it works then it usually does I am learning

well that's my take on it. if fucking. EVERYONE. who looks good does it, it has to be for a reason. so i just do it too. EVERY pro BB, arnold, mast, every random instagram faggot. everyone that looks good.

so i just do it. if it works for them might as well.

>>40249231
>hmm should i copy the people that look good or reddit broscience

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just got 30 sachets of testogel from chemist friend (50mg test per sachet).

is there any way of getting this gel into a more useful form of test, like injection? because 1500mg is a lot, that would be a decent trt dose for 15 weeks.

I know gains won't be much affected this is more about making this stuff as useful as possible to me.

>>40249229

Is my grammar bad or your reading comprehension

Probably my fault

> I do it natty without being sick, fatigued, tired, or depressed
>your test level is 3000ngl
>you should be ok

>>40249238

Yeah this is interesting how every guy that is in the gym with a notebook and a paper and a pencil worrying about deload ratios makes no gains and then people just 'lift till you're sore bro' make gains isn't it

>>40249259
i know, i just had to lol

>>40246479
how can he even squat with that poor shoulder flexibility?

>>40249305
dyel detected

>>40249242
nope

please do try pinning it and report back though haha

>>40249309
you need to be able toscratch your backin order to low-bar squat idiot


if he can't even do this there's no way he can squat without wrecking his shoulders every day

>>40249328
i cant scratch my back without forcing my hand into place with my other arm, and squat low bar

>>40249330
what the fuck

>>40249336
wat

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>>40249328
>>40249330

>tfw I feel like a huge faggot for even doing dedicated mobility work

>>40249174
>i saw everyone who looks good does a 5 day split.
I also notice the same thing and honestly I don't know how to explain it, it goes against everything we know about bodybuilding

if the volume is the same or more, PPL or Ul splits where you're doing bodyparts 2-3 times a week should definitely lead to more results yet... it's not happening

>>40249441
good to see someone else say the same shit.

>>40246479
lol he can't reach

Hey /fit/, I have below average levels of T for my age (something that a 45 year old would have) but my doc doesnt want to put me on TRT because "it's still above 300 so why you complainin'

Should I try pinning 50 mg of cyp every week whilst getting regular blood tests?

I have all the other symptoms of low t etc etc

Thanks for help /fraud/

>>40249507
age? bloodwork results?

>>40249541
25, testosterone around 350

>>40249507
Find a different doctor and in the meantime try and fix any lifestyle facors that may contribute.

Or start a blast and cruise lifestyle. Up to you. I personally wouldn't bother with 50mg/week though, depending how you respond it could put you only at like 500ng/dl which is shit if you're young and injecting test anyway.

>>40247566
Isnt that a good deficit if you busted your ass in the gym a few hours?

>>40249614
I used to be fatty with low t so keep that in mind. Maybe you're unfit and your doc was too polite to say so.

If you're going to self-medicate I'd go 100mg/week over 50. 50 won't give you much boost because your own test production will go down and balance it out again. You'll still be higher but not by much.

I wouldn't recommend getting non-pharm grade test unless you're going full /fraud/ anon. It's not worth injecting bathtub chemicals unless you need to, and you don't need to.


Just go see another endo.

>>40249636
wait, you're supposed to work out while on dnp? :^)

>>40249661
Doh! xD

>>40249659
meant for >>40249507


anyway anon if you're not fit get fit so you'll be in better position to say "look, there's NO reason for my test to be this low except". I planned on doing the same but instead my test was 400 so I wasn't even clsoe to low test at that point.

>>40249670
i was of course memeing, but do yourself a favor and lurk the DNP general for lulz occasionally. depending on who is posting (some are cool), they'll literally greentext about getting 25%bf chub rub from sweating so goddamn much on 650mg while sitting in front of the PC all day.

Nearly at the end of first cycle do lifts drop when on PCT then climb back up?

>>40249786
no they'll just drop. By time test goes down from no pinning the clomid should have brought it back up to your natty levels and then up more, and after pct your test levels drop back to normal. So they drop then drop some more

>>40249811
Ok thanks for the info

>>40249811
you are one special retard

>>40249330

fcking mirrin dude

you better post your physique glands, people are getting you confused with me

don't you get embarrassed?

>>40249527

>>40249441

Right? My thinking was logically

>train more make more gains

But if you guys are fucking saying this shit it has me worried, I guess I will keep it up with the volume.

There's also the matter of I love to eat fucking food (when my stomach isn't shrunken, it will stretch out again I am sure)

ANd extra volume bumps my TDEE up so I can eat way more while still at the same deficiet/surplus

It's like free DNP, just doing so much volume

Terrible pin today (right glute)
>a bit close to nerve
>Worst tren cough ever....almost thought I wasnt gonna make it
It will better next time but fuck that sucked

>>40250704
what happens when you get tren cough while bending to inject glutes, do you just pull out the needle and try again after the coughing fit?

I'd imagine if you try keeping it in while coughing you're just gonna spin the needle around all over the place and then that's pip city

>>40250757

For me it tends to hit a second or two after the pin is complete....If I felt it coming on during the pin I would definitely have to pull out

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> black slave acquires pictures of me growing up
> 8 years old: "you look like a Hitler youth"
> 13 years old: "you look like a line-backer"
> 17 years old: "you look like a super nerd"
> 24 years old: "omg that butt"

Know that feel when you hate your pictures but look back at them years later and they look great? Black slave seems to think I've been abused by my psychobitch mother. Mother's entire dialogue with me has been "I sacrificed for you therefore you owe me". "Nana wanted you aborted but I kept you". Seems like so many people complain about their mother that it discredits anyone who complains about their mother as an edgy naive youth but I know that my mother is worse. Ever invite a friend over and your mother makes them cry?

Then black slave implies I have an issue with women. Yet she wants me to roleplay as a plantation owner and call her a nigger bitch while I choke her during sex. Usually right after she screams at me about how #BlackLivesMatter and Trayvon didn't do nuthin. Daily reminder to do what you feel is right and ignore women.

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>>40250858

And don't even get me started on White bitches. At 25 I've had 12 White bitches hence why I now have a black slave. The sad truth is women have to perceive themselves as worthless to get the least bit of decency out of them. And that's exactly how they want it.

I regret the years I spent believing that women could be equals and so will you.

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>>40250901
Hey mossad so a while back you posted about DHT not being responsible for hair loss (>>40182159) and it really intrigued me (>>40244644) because since then I've been doing a bit of reading on DHT and its benefits in the brain (spatial memory improvement - which I think is a very masculine mental attribute), on mood, in addition to all the effects it has on your physique.

Would like to learn more (before just yolo-ing and giving it a whirl) about what you think IS the culprit for baldness, if not DHT. Do you think it's more of a zinc deficiency? I have seen some stuff that suggests this, but was thrown off a little when you said that you thought 5-ar activity correlates with hair loss but not DHT, leading me to suggest that something else is being reduced by 5-ar and that product is causing hair loss - just not sure what that something is based on what I've read.

Thanks.

>Daily reminder to do what you feel is right and ignore women.
Yes.

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>>40251238
Some links that support my theory about zinc deficiency being a culprit. Deficiency correlates with estrogen and prolactin increases.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2861201/
>Fifteen alopecia areata patients were enrolled in this study. After the therapy, the serum zinc levels increased significantly from 56.9 µg/ to 84.5 µg/dl. Positive therapeutic effects were observed for 9 out of 15 patients (66.7%) although this was not statistically significant. The serum zinc levels of the positive response group increased more than those of the negative response group (p=0.003).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17618180
>Low levels of serum zinc were measured repeatedly at 48 and 61 microg/dL (reference, 66-144 microg/dL) at 2 different laboratories. She was started on zinc supplement (50 mg daily) for 6 months and her diet was modified. The hair loss stopped in 3 weeks. Follow-up in 4 months showed no evidence of alopecia, with normal-looking hair.

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=16667

I mean there's probably that nebulous "genetics" factor at play too but yeah, interested to follow this "DHT is not the devil" train of thought because it seems like an awesome compound to add to a blast.

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>>40250901
Sup dewd?
>>40251238
Thanks to you and the other brehs that responded regarding the brain fog thing yesterday. Turns out this kid had a 390ish test at 20 years old and he ain't 20 anymore sooo ya. I put him on super male vitality so we can increase his levels 700% and he should be good.

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>>40251456
<3 that's so good to here. Low test is a scourge on this earth.

If he ever gets the chance, ask him to get his cortisol tested. I think that's a very overlooked factor in management of low T sides. Phosphatidylserine (ayuphos is a good brand) and ashwagandha were great at providing me subjective relief from a lot of the "low T effects." No substitute for good T levels physiologically but for mental wellness cortisol control is essential. I am assuming his symptoms extend beyond just the post-nut state.

>>40251520

Hey Peek, I am thinking I will get my blood work done.

I am going to no fap + no seeing my girl for a week and then get it done, bring those 1200 ng/l chad mode numbers back ITT.

I posted before but you must've missed, I would appreciate it if you just took a photo of your jaw now, and saved it.

Thanks dude.

I am looking at my pics and my jaw really has been making progress, even on a suicide cut, so I'm excited to see what I can throw onto it lean bulking

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>>40251520
>If he ever gets the chance, ask him to get his cortisol tested.
Ya I will for sure. He is supposed to be getting more bloods since those bloods at 390 were a few years old.

>>40249242
considering the absorbtion from those gels are fucking horrendous, 50mg will barely put you 200ng/dl above your natty levels.

>>40246479

Questions about peptide Melotan 2

1. Does it result in any muscular development?

IE, even though it is a peptide, could I take it and still compete in natty men's physique in good faith, or is taking it throwing away my card?

2. What are the health risks of Melotan II?

3. Anything I should know?

4. Does anyone have a general guide to sanitizing and what gauge of needle I should use to pin and sterilization protocols

Thanks in advance

>>40251558
>jaw pic

I did miss that post. I'll take a pic even though it's covered by a shitty beard that I'm trying to grow out rn. Might just shave it because it's not up to par yet.

This is definitely going to be a "before" pic with regards to mastic. I have forgotten to chew it the past week or two just because of running out of the house busy with thoughts of work. I will be more disciplined with mastic going forward because it really does taste good. I am thinking of doing something where I put a drop of peppermint essential oil into the mastic after it has been chewed a while and fold it in for variety.

>>40251973

Expect rapid progress desu.

Same way you would bodybuild, volume, train until your jaw is sore, eat, and wait.

Jaw seems to respond really well to training. I wish the rest of my body would grow so quickly.

It really does a lot to give your face that 'wide' male model look, and it increases the presence of any sunken cheeks you have.

Really is similar to progress pictures of people that take tren, honest to god.

I wish someone here on tren would try it.

You can see how Zach Effron's jaw blew up, Zyzz's jaw, honestly, you can get the same fucking shit with no tren and just mastic, I really think, with enough time.

>>40252034
Cool, looking forward to the progress. I was very skeptical of how it would be possible to get sore from this gum but I did get a good pump after an hour or so my first time. It's easier to get sore if the piece is bigger (like with 2 dry pieces each the size of a dime), which I am more willing to do now that you've had good results with storing it up to 3 days.

>>40252152

yep

>chew big get big cmon

>>40251904
1. No muscular development.

2. It can cause mole growth and development, more frequent and stronger erections temporarily. It may cause skin cancers to grow if you already have them but this is unlikely and unproven.

3. You still need to tan while using it, it just makes tanning much, much more effective. Sun or tanning bed dosent matter.

4. Literally just google "subcutaneous peptide injection procedure". Or read a guide on how to inject insulin for T1 diabetics, it's a similar idea.

>>40251456
Glad to hear, really. People are quick to blame low test for anything, but sometimes it really is just that.

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>>40251456
>super male vitality
>tfw /fraud/ memeing has reached a point where i cannot tell if you mean the supplement or good ol test c/e

>>40248899
>ginger

Pls be a grill.

If so

P A R I S
A
R
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https://www.instagram.com/pavel_stankevych/

Whats the verdict, is he natty? Whether he is or not I'm still mirin hard though

>>40252631
Why the fuck do you care?

>>40252691

He looks really good, I'm also an acrobat and its nice seeing someone with good muscular development doing the shit he's doing

>>40252761

yeah bro just be a fucking acrobat and be natty and you will fucking look like that in fucking time at all maybe 1 year tops that is natty as fuck

why you think all the acrobats and gymnasts looking bigger and more shredded than COMPETING natty bodybuilders after DECADES of lifting with the sole goal of being a bodybuilder?

>>40251456
Cap did you see Alex Jones on JRE?

It was hilarious and a great podcast overall

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>>40252926
So woke that Apple deleted it from iTunes. Don't watch unless you want to be red-pilled about interdimensional reptilian pedos. Didn't listen to the whole thing but might put it on this weekend while I'm doing chores around the house.

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>>40253147
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghq6rCV9kvc
pizza gate ^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St2sM1TwEx4
holohoax and why we should never believe in soviet lies

>>40253147
>deleted from iTunes
Woah.

It was hilarious. An hour in and they get Alex drunk and high so while the information may not be as quality as otherwise it's pretty entertaining anyway. Really hoping he comes on again sometime without the drugs and Alcohol and especially without the other fucking moron who can't shut up about retarded shit.

>>40253187
First 15 minutes of the podcast explains how pizzagate was a strawman meant to detract attention from the podesta emails in general after the place comes up clean.

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>>40253291
havent watched the podcast but thats an intresting detail. despite the uses of mind control to fill the media with there people who are completely under there control. atleast watch the video.

>>40246863
Its the arganine mah dude

I take that with citrulline as a pre-workout

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>>40253291
>in general after the place comes up clean.

it being a general tin foil hat theory used to distract us from other more if not more inportant emails i can clearly see that as a possiblility but it doesnt make the details learned from 4chan investigators any less true or plausible for that matter.

its suscpect of the bigger picture regardless

also let me trigger a bot by saying sandy hook was fake and nothing more than a crisis cast job taken and used as a false flag. once again sandy hook is the trigger your most likely to see someone say they came from that small town defending the incident as true.

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>>40252631

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>>40252336
Ya poor guy. He was kinda hesitant to ask me because he said no one believes him about the mental haze thing. Even doctors =/
>>40252380
Lol I was just trolling. I am gonna try to help him increase his test naturally. He doesn't want to do drugs and I don't like teaching people drug stuff.
>>40252926
>Cap did you see Alex Jones on JRE?
>It was hilarious and a great podcast overall
Ya I keep hearing this. I'm gonna listen now for the lulz

On a very serious note there is a lot of information coming up pointing to Alex Jones and Richard Spencer and several other "alt right" "alternative media" clowns being directly controlled by the Russians. Very bad stuff...
I know I joke about Russian hackers sometimes and that is totally a joke. The Russians are not some elite hackers lmao.
But this psychological manipulation and plants of people like Spencer is terrifying and a very real threat.

>tfw your source wasnt happy with the 500% he was making off of selling roids to rich kids so he started dealing coke too and got his ass in jail
What a fucking dumb faggot, now i have no trustworthy source and will end up with piss instead of tren

>>40253589
>directly controlled by the Russians
What moron would believe that.

If anything they're Zionist puppets. I'm especially wary of Alex in that regard because it's exactly the thing he will not touch, despite covering everything else.

>>40253631
Good thing there's dozens of trusted sources out there on the Internet.

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>>40253733
>If anything they're Zionist puppets.
Who the fuck do you think controls the Russians...
Look up Alexander Dugin.
The rabbit hole is deep...

UK boyos, have any of you ordered direct from Balkan Pharma?

>>40253829
Balkan pharma is pretty fucking shady and theres bad shit about them.

Very high chance its faked and thus bunk.

>>40253488
to me, this is irrefutable evidence in some ways.

It's sad these people won't ever go down, not even with something light

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>>40253901
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vbw1v5e0n1h4in3/AADX6B4wkTzykbj3xySJWzQ-a?dl=0
redpills

more in my link cant belive i forgot to add it.

PRAISE KEK spread the redpills its the chaos that pepe demands

>>40253864

Cheers

>>40253929
don't worry mate i've read through the whole thing and even awared some of my bros.

Is trump really gonna continue the investigation? I've heard nothing about it since the subreddit was banned from the inside.. funny that

>>40253488
Are you fucking serious? You guys are no better than fucking alien conspiracy theorists.

I didn't grow up in Newtown, no. Not from there. But I grew up in Danbury which isn't too far from there. My mentor in high school had a granddaughter who went to Sandy Hook. Her life was taken that day and it still impacts their family to this day. To make light of it with these fucking retarded conspiracy theories is to disgrace the memory of an innocent girl who never got the chance to see Hillary become the first woman nominee who won the election. Don't even argue about the "electoral college" or whatever, you know what happened. Just like you know what happened at Sandy Hook but are too chicken shit to admit it because you're afraid that you're not man enough to defend yourself without your precious little guns.

You disgust me.

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>>40253969
hes unable from the standpoint of national security it would be damaging to current operations both in the middle east and Ukraine(very few but there).

open us up to the public and let the enemy have a heads up to spread the truth or deal with it clandestinely on his end and protect us from our outside threats.

we know hes aware of the 7th floor to the government he wont be allowed but his kids will be if he behaves. so no telling what could happen if he realy pushes alot of issues that underwraps are being delt with for unforeseen reasons.

rember JFK was killed for going after federal reserve and CIA(which is no different than the roman Praetorian Guard)

we simple dont know if hell buckle on all of it or some of it but we know he has to on some issues or face a quick death.

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>>40254004
trigger word works every fucking time.

aliens are real fucktard.

>>40254004
o dear

>>40253753
>Look up Alexander Dugin
Anything in particular so I don't waste my time on a bunch of fluff?

>>40246479
AnyAnyone else get major fatigue on tren?
2 weeks on, only started at about day 8, will it fade?

>>40254019
>Wow, people wearing lanyards.
>Wow, people in shock don't show grief in the way you'd expect.
>Wow, arrows pointing at random shit.

Must mean all those children weren't savagely murdered by a deranged VIRGIN PSYCHO who killed his mom with an ASSAULT RIFLE before going and killing 20 CHILDREN. How do you dispute that? The killer was caught. His mom is dead. We have the murder weapon. What more do you want?

God this board is retarded. Go back to wherever you get this shit from. Get help.

>>40254004
Great bait. Seriously tho, good job.

>>40254019
>>40254004
Holy shit.

Even if it's some anon juzt posting a copypasta this is great

>>40246723
Dnp

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>>40254077
give me more evidence than 1 fuzzy picture of a dead kid and ill believe that.

>>40254089
its bot copy pasta i litteraly called it, see it on /pol/ and /x/(shit board BTW) alot

>>40254099
dude wtf are those bots real? lmao thats more redpilling than any fucking infographic.

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>>40254120
anybody else watch some reality shit for motivation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snYEdJC7ZsA

yes they are.

>>40254099
>>40254077
>>40254019
>>40254008
>>40254004

Can't be fucked with linking you all but go back to your containment boards, Jesus. You realize you're still on /fit/, right? Where tf are the mods...

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>>40254143
slow thread is slow buddy, ill provide when others wont.

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>>40254027
>>40253929
Research the links between:
Alexander Dugin
Richard Spencer
Putin
Ergodan
Nina Byzantina

>>40248033
Every pro bodybuilder dies this

>>40254136
>boards I lurk the most besides /fit/ not listed in infographic
being a retarded autist with oddly specific interests finally is good for something

>>40254160
Pol and x and all those other shitty boards are there for a reason. Go over there if you're bored and want to talk about related material. /fit/ is not /r/conspiracy. If you're gonna shitpost conspiracies here when it's slow at least provide something remotely entertaining like the Donald trump time traveler one. These are all just the autistic ramblings of retards in their native environment.

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>>40254207
i post that one all the time though. gets kinda stale.

>>40254084
>>40254089
>>40254099
Please tell me you guys are trolling. I can't believe that ANYONE (at all) believes this obvious conspiracy theory.

Want proof?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/12/us/sandy-hook-timeline/
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/25/justice/sandy-hook-shooting-report/

If you still believe that my mentor's dead grand daughter was "hoax" after this then you'll just be proving to everyone that you WANT to be IGNORANT.

>>40254143
Fuck off mate no one complains when you brag about your bullshit that's unrelated.

>>40254136
Yeah I've known for a while that they do this. I've also had a strong feeling the cuck meme and a lot of the race baiting in general was started by some interested party. It's too formulaic.

>>40254173
Thanks

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>>40248086
>tfw doc flat out says he knows I'm using juice and would like to do tests every 6 weeks
He's actually a bro, doesn't care if I use, justa wants to monitor the bloods so I don't die

>>40254230
It's old hat. These memes have been in circulation for "programming" since late 2012

>>40254218
>Donald time traveler trump pasta is stale
>BUT I COULD GO ON ABOUT SANDY HOOK AND LIZARD PEOPLE AND ALIENS FOR DAYS LULULUL

neck yourself

>>40254230
I didn't realize I drivel on about material years old that's normally got its own containment board. When did I get /natT/?

>haven't been on /fraud/ for a few months
>open thread wondering if it's still a trip circle jerk
>NWO conspiracy theories

idk which is worse now

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>>40254228
cool (((story))) bro totaly everybody who ever talks about it gets shut down from a witness who lives there or a friend of a friend.

>>40254245
no one cares either way.

>>40254264
Posted the sources you want but you will never believe it. Willful ignorance at its best, people. Disgusting.

>>40254258
this is worse

much much worse

at least he who shall not be named and his retarded accomplice aren't here

>>40254264
>>40254173
>>40253929
makes me wanna hop off the internet forever.

but wouldn't that make me tinfoil hat af?

is it better to just ignore it and hope im not legit being programmed lmao

>>40254245
I don't go to the"containment" boards because they're so heavily and obviously shilled on.

Again, quit spazzing out. If you don't want to read the shit, then don't. It's not hard to skim posts.

>>40254258
If this is what happens when ESTP, Alex, and glands stop shitposting I want all 3 of them back.

At least they all SOMETIMES mentioned stuff about improving physically, and glands/estp about their roid use.

If I wanted this shit I'd lurk pol/r9k/x. I'd rather blow my brains out than do that.

>>40254264
Which is exactly why all this crap should stay in it's relevant containment boards.

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>>40254297
meh fine i stoped counting my 8 count burpees and realized that doing 10 mins of burpees was more effective for my cardio same goes for doing 10 mins of squat presses(where you squat and dumbell press up for dat dere shoulder growth)

i do both inbetween my wheight lifting and then i get on the stationary bike for cardio, or i do it after my runs.

any good cardio tips ?

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i dont know what i hate more

alex's retard improve mentality combined with his autist posts

or this reptillian jew conspiracy.

>>40254292
You are: cicada 3033

I hate this bullshit pol racebaiting nwo cuck stuff, but you'd be stupid not to see how 4chan influences literally the rest of modern the internet and modern media. A diaper furry frog became an alt right symbol; from porn to meme to media blitz.

There are systems and organizations in place that have an active interest in skewing the information created and desseminated here, because everything made or written here later influences literally millions of people through meme culture.

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>>40254322
we are ground zero for all memes due to our chaotic ways and most of all our image posting. harder to control than all of reddit so there only option was to shillbot it with occasonal organized raids on the minds of those who inhabit the last bastion of free speech

>>40254316
>cardio
Just regular running dood. Plot out a few miles to jog/run ahead of time in maps and do it, it just feels a thousand times better than treadmill work and things like that. I usually go on a ~6 total mile trail and it rapes my calves when I do.

>>40249441
When I do my 5day I feel like I'm way sorer afterwards, on a ppl my muscles are always meh I could go more but to put decent time into each you're there for 4 hours

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>>40254347
now question on improving my speed is wether i should run 2 miles for time to beat it then another 2 miles after to burn out ?

or should i run 5 miles for time instead ? is it better every other day or daily ? also have a weekly total of 25-45 which would be ideal?

ive got a goal of 7 min mile run for 5 miles.

>>40250757
You won't usually get cough til after you're finished, unless you pin slow as fuck

>>40254345
You're a product of this. You're here trying to dispel truth and order amongst this miasma of autism and languid stupidity. All your efforts do is permeate more stupid mouth breathing memes.

You're a tool of this weird fucking system meant to shovel and create esoteric ideas to the masses under the guise of innocent and rapidly self aware jokes.

Just leave 4chan and you stop the process.

>>40254370
Sprints for explosiveness, distance for endurance. That's what my coach had us doing for wrestling. Pace yourself and keep consistently faster on long distances then work on shit like 100/250 yd sprints. Doing both in tandem is better than just one or the other, or trying to improve some middle ground of the two.

You know what?

Fuck this fucking guy.

I perma cut, shredded, striations on my striations, just to shut this idiot up.

>>40253996
>>40254355

I'm looking at my old photos realizing that my arms, my forearms, my quads, everything, is legitimately bigger at 12% bodyfat than 42% somehow.

So I just don't see how a turbo dyel skeleton cannot gain lean muscle while cutting, because my arms now are bigger than my old fatceps were

Someone please explain how my arms can be bigger than my fatceps were and I didn't put on lean mass

I WILL MAKE GAINS GETTING SINGLE DIGIT Bf %.

FUCK THIS GUY.

He mad because I put on more lean mass starving myself than he did in his entire life.

Whatever pathetic tiny fragments of muscle on his body, still 1000 times more than he will ever have, and he can't stand it.

I could make more fucking gains on PMSF than he could in his entire life, because LAZY.

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>>40254386
your saying that like its a bad thing when its not. embrace the autism and let it consume your mind and you'll be better off at the end of the day.

>>40254394
ill just alternate between sprinting and endurance then, no need to do both on the same day.

Ausfags stay away from genpharma, test e is confirmed half dose, sus and tren seem OK, teat 400 seems under, not worth searching for a lucky vail

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>>40254407
just do it and prove everyone wrong

shred to 9% and bulk to 10. get fuckin juicy bro no one will ever be as aesthetic as you simply due to your insane work ethic (that is a little autistic at times)

>>40254407
>Someone please explain how my arms can be bigger than my fatceps were and I didn't put on lean mass

>wears extra small tshirts
okay guy

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>>40254407
TOP TIER BANTS

>not being able to decide whether he's cutting or bulking or lifting or starving or small or shredded or big

that anon was right to mock you, the cracks are beginning to show.

Stay small mr. "I don't need to bulk"

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>>40254435

>went from zero muscle mass on my body
>now have a tiny bit of muscle mass

How you can't call that gains?

I am so sorry I don't have mast's forearms yet.

What you were expecting

But I swear to god, I am looking at my day one pics, and my forearms at 12% are bigger than my fatforearms, somehow.

I don't know how, but it Happen

>>40254431

I'll show him.

He not even give me a real challenge. If he told me to put some muscle mass on my body, that would be a challenge

But get shredded? No problem. I'll shut him up in one month.

>>40254418
Yeah try it man, I do the same thing normally when I'm trying to maintain or cut, I'll do sprints on leg day and distance running on a Saturday or Sunday a few days later. Trying to bulk on another couple pounds before Europe tho, my cardio's been lacking lately.

The protein shakes I've been making in the mornings are GOAT though. Blended oats, flax oil, peanut butter, whey, a bananas and a handfull of walnuts. Little Nutella if I'm feeling naughty.

Ez 1500 calorie shake.

>>40254491
>never measure anything before lifting
>become twink so bodyparts are proportionally bigger
>lift every day so be effectively permapumped
>bro it's definitely muscle

>>40254524

There's just no way the lean mass on my body is pre existing, or my bodyparts are 'proportionally bigger'

How can it be?

First of all why would I even have the tiny bits of muscle on my body with no training, or physical activity?

Second just look at my forearms in before, they are 50% fat, and still, they do look smaller.

Like I dunno, am I being crazy? I just don't see how this lean mass is not added to my body since I started.

>>40249527

Like I am looking at my forearm in relation to my wrist, and I swear, they are the same size if not bigger

I wish I did take measurements

>>40254407
>i permacut, shredded, just to shut this idiot up

wasn't he, along with everyone else telling you that you would do better on a slight surplus?

You've kinda done the opposite of proving those people wrong alex.

>>40254491
I mean look at this post. You're literally talking to yourself.

It might be time to drop the EC stack. drop the lifting autism, drop the attitude and drop the posting here.

It might be time to take care of yourself for a change.

>>40254592
>There's just no way the lean mass on my body is pre existing, or my bodyparts are 'proportionally bigger'
unless you were bedridden or otherwise immobile, how do you think your lard ass moved itself around iwthout any lean mass whatsoever?

You're a fucking moron.

ok can we start talking about conspiracies again? alex's autism is definitely the bigger cancer.

>>40254592
You did grow. Fat is more energy dense than muscle, so you could actually gain weight on a deficit if everything is lined up correctly. The human body is very complex.

That said, expect diminishing returns to start soon enough. Gains come quick as fuck and then you hit a huge wall. Where suddenly an ounce of muscle takes longer than two pounds did previously.

>>40254592
I'm surprised someone as autistic as you wouldn't take measurements/dexa scan

also, you lost 20kg of fat and claimed to have gained lean muscle.

how much do you estimate? put a number to it. do the math.

>>40254612
"no."

>>40254614
>You could gain weight on a deficit if everything is lined up correctly

you are a fucking RETARD. You would actually gain braincells if you went on a breathing deficit, kys moron

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>>40254614
>you can gain weight
>eating under maintenance
>what are the laws of thermodynamics

I think you might just have a Nobel Prize waiting for you if everything is lined up correctly.

>>40254600

That poster is just some 50% bodyfat idiot that thinks it is 'impossible' to maintain a lean physique.

Not a fraud poster, not someone on steroids, not a bodybuilder, a literal anon that does not lift and comes here once a week to post a >tfw no gf thread

And probally post some shit about how chad stays 'lean' eating pizza or some shit, I dunno

That it is impossible to lean bulk for 2 months and then cut for one month, impossible to weigh your food.

Literally I will cut SIMPLY to prove him wrong, to shitpost at him in CBTs

>It might be time to drop the EC stack.

Dropped, I am on pure AUTISM now.

> drop the posting here.

How I'm not taking care of myself? What's so bad with my life, I love it, it's nice.

Lift + shitpost + etrade + tinder

>>40254602

Ok so maybe an exaggeration.

But I don't think I had the same amount I have now.

I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see it, like I don't understand how it's possible.

>>40254629
>All this mad
But why

http://shreddedbyscience.com/can-you-gain-weight-in-a-calorie-deficit/

>>40254648
>like I don't understand how it's possible.

it's okay, some people just have little buckets

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>>40254645
Reading comprehension bud. I started off my claim with "fat is more energy dense than muscle". Do you understand what that means ? Would you perhaps like a quirky YouTube video?

>>40254614

I mean I think I gained leaned mass but obviously I weigh less on the scale after starving myself for months on end lololol

>>40254615

I dunno, I wish, so we could settle this discussion.

>how much do you estimate?

I dunno? I am just going off pictures, like, you can see it for yourself, I think I gained SOME lean mass, I just can't believe otherwise.

My forearm in relation to my wrist is bigger at 12% than 42% how is this possible without gaining some muscle?

Maybe I am delusional, I dunno, I am delusional so it's not out of the realm of possibility

>>40254653
here's the summary that you should understand before ever linking that website (and that chart on there in particular)

>Think of it this way – you’re meant to be in a calorie deficit, but you REALLY want a slice of cake one day that’s going to put you in a surplus for that day. You decide to subtract calories from the remaining days that week so you remain in a deficit over the course of that week. It’s the same principle here, just measured over the duration of the study rather than a week.

also they're recomping, not cutting. on a -500 kcal deficit respected every day? nope, not gonna happen

>>40254674
retard

>>40254653
>linking a blog post that specifically acknowledges the first law of thermodynamics obviously applies to humans and isn't up for dispute.

Good goyme man.

>>40254674
What are you even talking about rofl. There's a conversion of energy you get that occurs when you eat food. That food is turned into muscle/fat.

If you eat less food than your body requires to maintain your current levels of muscle and fat, you lose weight. Your body doesn't have the physical capability to add weight when you're not putting in any extra kcal. How is this even something you're trying to justify?

Do you honestly think that you can eat nothing, lose fat, but in the process of burning the calories stored in your body, lift weights and magically gain weight that outweighs the fat you lose while your body magically invents muscle and body mass from nothing?

>>40254730
>Your body doesn't have the physical capability to add weight when you're not putting in any extra kcal.
>How is this even something you're trying to justify?

this is exactly what I mean. guy is a mong

>>40254730

yeah let me rephrase for him

My thinking is

>lost 45 lbs of fat
>gained 5 lbs of muscle

or something. that's what I think happened, not

>lost 40 lbs of fat

Because I dunno just looking at the photos, like, how my quads can be BIGGER in proportion to the mirror or the toothbriush or my phone minus 30% bodyfat without some muscle gain?

>>40254676
>Maybe I am delusional, I dunno, I am delusional so it's not out of the realm of possibility

you are man, you need to reduce your blogposting here and just lift heavy and do everything the 'right' way.

Anyone can cut, be delusional about how poorly they're doing it and claim to "gain muscle because not lazy"

Why don't you apply the same autism to a lean bulk and say
"hey guys, I gained 10 fucking kilos and look, I barely gained any fat at all"

numbers, numbers and numbers.

no delusion, just mathematics and scientific efficiency.

>>40254730
>Your body doesn't have the physical capability to add weight when you're not putting in any extra kcal.
This is the part that's wrong. It happens sometimes in roiders and newer lifters where you recomp so hard you actually gain weight on the scale while in a net energy deficit. This is due to the indisputable fact that fat has a higher energy density than muscle.

>Do you honestly think that you can eat nothing, lose fat, but in the process of burning the calories stored in your body, lift weights and magically gain weight that outweighs the fat you lose while your body magically invents muscle and body mass from nothing?

No. But I think that can happen if you eat at a -500kcal deficit.

>>40254705
It's still a net energy deficit. Are you gonna fucking say someone is bulking "for an hour" if they eat more than their hourly energy expenditure? No, because that's fucking retarded.


>People are mad that their broscience isn't real
Pathetic

>>40254761
Yeah p much. I'm just saying what you're saying in a somewhat nicer and easier to understand way for the little retard's sake. It's his first lesson in thermodynamics on /fit/. Don't scare the poor kid away.

>>40254771
Sure, and that's possible, you're still eating and burning fat while lifting+newbie gains so you can expect SOME muscle gain and development, but this retard thinks you can actually gain weight somehow on a cut.

>>40254820
>People are mad that their broscience isn't real
>Pathetic

How ironic.

What is water weight and water retention? Lmk when you figure it out.

>>40254791

I mean, a lot of posters on the board are legitimately lazy, and are somehow more dyel than I am (????) and they say they swear they have been "going to the gym for years" and "putting in effort". No, you didn't, because photo of you doesn't lie.

>"hey guys, I gained 10 fucking kilos and look, I barely gained any fat at all"

I mean the fucking photo tells the story if you can take a picture lookign like you gained 10kg of pure muscle then the claim is true.

All I care about, is the photo, way the photos look, they look like I gained lean mass. I dunno what else to say.

If anything the DELUSION that I gained lean muscle, is a good feeling, because it feels like I actually got something from lifting so much, other than just the fun of lifting weights.

SO I will cling to my delusion the *same way I cling to my delusions about where I will be in 10 years or what I can do prior to pinning*

We all run on delusions, in this life.

>stop posting

You are right, sorry, I stop shitting up this thread, will force myself to wait till tommrow to ruin you steroid general with my shit

This discussion is circular anyways, I have delusions, you will not un-delusion me, end of story

If you want you guys can debate if it is possible to gain muscle cutting assuming perfect conditions (hard training, perfect diet, lfiting for hours a day, hypertrophy routine)

That should be an interesting debate and I legitimately wish I had gotten a dexa scan to settle it

http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/gain-muscle-and-lose-fat-at-the-same-time/

http://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/S0026-0495(15)00334-0/fulltext

http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/lose-fat-and-gain-muscle/

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>>40254857
i legit use my delusions to my advantage.

you have to have some impossible goal worth fighting for to make yourself fix the mistakes in your life so that you can further benefit from the reality that its impossible to reach the goal.

improve, fail, improve, fail, reassess the situation and feed into the delusion, then improve, fail, improve again.

ill take the reality that ill never reach a perfect magical land and revolve my life around the reality that a useless piece of shit is not what they want, so i feed into that and make myself a better man because of it. i give my insane self the slight possibility, that if im the best of the best then maybe just maybe some magic will happen and ill be chosen for the world of my dreams.

any impossible delusion is good enough so long as its impossible and benefits you to chase after it.

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>>40254855
Of fucking course it's changes in water as well you absolute fucktard I never said it wasn't. But those water changes also correspond with increased nitrogen retention. Ever hear someone say you could "gain muscle while only drinking water" on tren? It's hyperbole describing the same effect. The body is not some closed loop system.

Why do they give tren to cows? To maintain weight during transport. Why would they lose weight during transport? Because they're not eating. So how the fuck would tren conserve their bodyweight? By changing the balance of protein storage and fat oxidation that goes on constantly.

Here, look at this metastudy. Notice how a few of the entries gained LBM and lost fat on a deficit? Now how fucking difficult is it to extrapolate from that, that MAYBE in certain cases where there is a drastic change in protein and fat metabolism there might be weight gain and net energy loss?

I really don't have the energy to draw a picture. Not even trying to convince you personally of anything because I understand you're mentally defunct. I'm just outlining an old concept so that lurking anons understand some phenomena and can shrug off your shitty broscience

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>>40254955
>unironically implying gaining water weight = gaining actual weight on a deficit

why doesn't someone tell those kids in africa they don't have to be underweight anymore? They can just drink water and be at a normal level in no time!

You solved world hunger bro, holy shit, you absolute legend.

Dropped by to say I looked like this >>40248164 last night on just 350 test. Ate a gallon of milk, subway, Doritos and about 8 scoops beef isolate and cyclic dextrin. Had peanut butter chocolate syrup sandwiches before bed.

Incline benched 320 for 6 earlier.

>>40255069
niggers can fuck off and die.

heres a tip if they grow there own farms instead of taking free hand outs then maybe just maybe the farmers would be able to warrent the costs of growing food in the first place.

if they cant grow food in the area then either fuck off and die or buy food imported from another nation like any other city does.

charity makes it hard for people to understand the economy i get that help the people but lets do it smart for fuck sake.

>>40254857
Nar mate you missed the point.
like you said, all that matters is the photo, you like being delusional. You know for a fact you gained fuck all lean mass and possibly threw your noobgains out the window to look lean. No worries. I'm saying, hey, if you really are that great at this whole bodybuilding thing, SHOW US A LEAN BULK DONE PERFECTLY.

Then you can earn some respect. people might even stop telling you to fuck off before they even read your posts.

You haven't found a magical way of looking aesthetic. You've suicide cut and cucked yourself out of potential lean mass growth. Live and learn, hell, I did the same thing.

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>>40255069
Here's a colorful image that might help you understand!

You see, a lot of our body tissues are composed primarily of water by mass! Isn't that neat? That means, when your muscles grow, there's more water in your body!

Science is fun!

>>40255163
muscles hold more water than fats but fats can increase with higher estrogen levels. and thus bloat happens on hips, stomach and boobs if your a male or geneticly disposed to it.

the human body is 70% water wheight and carbs give you that fuller look in your muscles becuase of glycogen storage so a low carb diet will give you a denser less puffer look.

not to mention sodium and potassium also have an effect.

lets not forget GI track and digestion rates play a big factor on wheight retention, varying degrees of digestion and issues can be abound but prune juice, coffee, nictontince and fiber can easily move it along faster and get rid of the extra. could lose up to 3lbs with a proper operaiton.

>when your source has a fucking garbage t/a the ONE TIME u need ur shit

No sdrol until Monday wow fuck..

>>40255226
Glands pls go

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>>40254292
Pizza gate is probably bs although it is a FACT that people related to the Clinton foundation have been arrested for child trafficking and it is also a FACT that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator and a rapist and it is a FACT that Hillary Clinton has defended admited child rapists in court and laughed about getting them off. But anyway I don't look into that pizza shit anymore.
This alternate reality stuff aka berenstein bears and whatever is definitely total bs.
However, Russian psyops are a very real thing.

>>40255317
Thats a PHAT pussy

>>40251456
who is this cock cabinet?

>>40255317
>Russian psyops are a very real thing
Wait, so you've hopped off the bandwagon and you're willing to accept that now?