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Best bulkers that aren't estrogenic or at least not high estrogenic?

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>>39711409
tren higher than test e.

and fucko you bulk with Dbol, sdrol, trest and the estrogen converison helps with bulking quickly dumbass.

but tren without a doubt

http://www.strawpoll.me/11887173

fraud edition: Should alex fuck off already and stop shitting up the thread with his underage autism, and giving garbage advice about steroids to people when he himself is fucking natty and doesn't know shit?

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>leave fraud for two months
>all the decent trips are gone
>replaced by fucking natties
>literally no intelligent discussion about gear

At least ESTP was fucking roiding

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>>39711423
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCxc4SjpN6M

kek

>>39711484
yep. all the roiders are gone because these stupid fucking natties think it's cool to be in this "secret club" and have to shit it up with their autism, while simultaneously giving advice on how to use steroids...

i don't think it's just a new years thing either. i've been here since october last year and it was NEVER this bad, even in the summe

>>39711423
convincing him to fuck off will never work, his retardation makes him enjoy the attention, even negative, way too much

he should 100% understand that his advice is not only unwanted, it's actually potentially harmful. it needs to stop.

Also he should never ever share an opinion on any compound ever again

>>39711505
my little cousin is like that. he can't get any positive attention because he is a piece of retarded shit, so he purposely seeks out negative attention, since that is apparently better than being lonely with no attention at all.

Is 25g 1" too big for delt injection? Or should I just order some insulin pins.

If I'm going to use the 25g I don't have to pin the full inch right?

>>39711540
Depends on your BF but for Delts dont pin the full inch since they are tiny anyway

>>39711540
>Is 25g 1" too big for delt injection?
its fine
maybe dont go all the way in but i wouldnt worry too much unless youre dyel af

>>39711554
>Delts dont pin the full inch since they are tiny anyway
tfw i don't know this feel anymore

feels good man

>>39711484
There were never decent trips faggot. Even people on steroids are fucking dyel beyond believe. i can't see any difference in people on steroids or natty, so that doesn't make any difference at all. Beside that, most talk over here isn't even about steroids. Only muhhh I LOST MUH NATTY CARD GUIYZZ I AM GENNE MEKE IT BECUASE TREN AND ZYZZ AND TREN

Where is the decent part? Elaborate

>>39711540
It's too small.

I don;t even understand how you people can even use 25g with all the fat.

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>>39711570
>t. Even people on steroids are fucking dyel beyond believe. i can't see any difference in people on steroids or natty

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>>39711570
>there were never decent trips
>is a trip

checks out

also ghandi has a much better physique than you

>>39711593

>it's remotely comparable
>hey hey the guy in a car drives faster than you run
>you're slow

>>39711611
how are you so fucking retarded?

>>39711611
What the fuck are you trying to say?

Never reply to me again

>>39711626

your gland's weight doesn't count towards FFMI, you're not piano man level yet

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>>39711593
Because i am above that level. They're still thinking of a term that could posssibly classify that level of superiority

He is the only one who looks like he roids & bimbo. He looks really good. I never denied that. I respect the man.

But let's brag with other people to defend my standpoint, because why would i use myself to prove something. Perhaps because i am.... dyell!!? LMAO. You're doing my work, this is no fun for me.

This is so creditworthy i can't even. kek

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can you people stop the meme war.

posting bear to spread peace

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>>39711658
did you do it yet ? after 3 days of 500mg dim you should notice resluts but i must know since its been succeful with 3 people to see if its succesful with everybody who uses it.

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Hey guiyz did you knew that ....Bill Gates has more money than you combined? So that makes you all fucking poor. KEKEKEKEK.

BTFO!!!

mast - 1
dyel - 0

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>>39711686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkqbHQqLwMU

>masT's daily routine
>>39711700
i take that as a no

>>39711704
next week i will, i promise.

its urgent, my bacne isnt severe but i would still prefer a clean skin

>>39711686

? You don't understand

>Bill Gates is human being with brown hair
>I have brown hair
>He's rich
>we both have brown hair
>People with brown hair accomplished something
>I accomplished something

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>>39711741
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF6NXvUKfLs

ill be waiting

PRAISE KEK UNTIL THEN I WILL

Hey folks, happy Friday to y'all, I just came off an injury that required a few months of PT and want to start my first cycle. Can I lay out my thinking and some individual concerns and get feedback from y'all? It would be much appreciated

>>39711865
go for it

also have you started lifting again after your injury yet? if you haven't you probably should for a few weeks before roiding so your joints and tendons get accustomed to it again, rather than immediately gaining roidstrength and snapping your shit.

>go downstairs to get meme multivitamin before I forget
>bend down to pet dog
>he starts licking my face
>"anon eww he was just licking his penis"
Nice

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So last night ended up going really well

>DMTqt comes over
>show her some of Peek's posts, try to interpret what we both just experienced iin terms of those descriptions and our own formulations
>find out through these series of conversations she's very aware, pretty philosophical and intelligent herself
>chit chat for a few hours, but it isn't mindless small talk that fucking sucks like usual
>genuinely interesting conversation that carries on and on until we barely realized how much time has passed
>once we come to that realization decide we're both fucking starving, get ready to head out and get food, realize it's 3 degrees outside and we're not about to fucking go out in that
>order some delivery so some random arab dude has to suffer instead
>continue our conversation, learn a lot about each other, decide we're going to do some shrooms
>pull out the little box of magic and divvy up about 2g for her and 3.5ish for myself, nothing too intense
>spend the entire rest of the night eating korean, discussing the state of current politics, evens, and the intrinsic qualities of the world and its energy that we admire, fucking and listening to music

honestly that was one of the best experiences within the last year or two of my life, very introspective in a weird way

dont do drugs kids

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Guys so is increased facial fat (not water retention) caused by low T or high E2? I need to fix this brahs plz halp

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>>39711903
>not licking his benis before he licks yours
what are you gay or something.

post top doggo.

>>39711939
i bet my imgur shit would only make this situation of yours more complicated. if you belived in it that is.

oh well my redpilling has only increased ten fold.

>>39711939

Is 2 or 3.5 grams not way too little? I only did shrooms when I was 15 and can't remember how much I took. But with truffles a dose is around 7 to 10 grams. And eating even lessens the effect.

>>39711390
>Delusions of grandeur edition + Steroids will give me the ability to talk to women without stuttering and looking at the floor
>
>>I really want to see someone with ridiculous game like this get on Tren

I'm on 100 Tren A ED and 600 Tren E every week. + 250 test e per week and 100 anavar a day

My dick is raw from how much sex Ive been having. Plus I've been jerking it 2-3 times a day

I had sex with both of my girlfriend's yesterday ( idk how having two happened but it did). However I did break up with one in the morning after sticking it in her butt. Then I drove home and fucked the other.

AMA

>>39711991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tK29Y2clHw

watch this while on DMT or LSD or else your a pleb

>>39711982
It's interesting to read through of course, I prefer actual literature on it, but some of the stuff in the link is interesting nonetheless and fun to read through.

>>39711991
Depends on the person, as everything does with psych's. Her and I both have done shrooms a number of times, and know our dosages and what works for us, just so happens that we both lie on the 'lower tolerance' side of the spectrum.

Of course there's also variability in potency through different sources depending on how legitimate they are, and we weren't going for a 'fucking insane' trip either, just a light, relaxing, enjoyable trip.

>>39711998
His name is familiar. He also directed "M" right? Watched that on LSD once, interesting.

>>39711991

2 is a light dose, good for first time.

3.5 is pretty heavy, good dose if you're experienced with other oysches

5g is intense

7g is like 'wouldn't recommend it dude' tier

>>39712024
glad you enjoyed it none the less spread the redpills from the drop box though

>>39712061
I've done 7. Wouldent recommend. You'll be in fucking outerspace but not in a good way

>>39712061

I went to a smart shop here in the Netherlands and they sell truffles per 15 grams. The dude working there told me we could best take 10 grams at first and then take more if the trip started wearing off. But I guess truffles and shrooms differ quite a bit.

When it started kicking in, it kicked in hard though, it felt similar to when xtc kicks in.

>>39711977
ur just fat bro

>>39711997
what the fuck is the point of 100 anavar if you're on 1300 tren a week, lol

>>39712105

Never gone above 5.

And 5 was... intense.

>>39712127

LSD vs shrooms in general is preference.

LSD provides a longer trip, like 12-13 hours instead of 7-8.

Also, LSD trips, even at very high dose, are more visual.

Whereas shrooms have a strong emotional tone to the trip.

Of course, LSD and shrooms both have visual and emotional elements, but I personally prefer the visual elements to the emotional ones.

Sometimes with shrooms it's too thought provoking, too much insight into your physche and shit.

Where as even huge, 750ug dose of LSD is mostly just 'bro look at how beautiful this shit is'

>>39712166
Fucking hard and rippppeddd brahhhh

>>39711554
dude what, im only 6'1 200lbs and I can go full 1 1/4 inch no problem

there's no need to go deeper than 1/2" but i dont see why not

>>39711977

>1/2-3/4 white black person

do sexy blacks just not exist or what

>>39712127
they probably arent dried then, theyre like 80% water so 10 g fresh would probably be equivalent to 2 g dried

>>39712360

IIRC it's 90% 10:1 but I'm not sure please research before you do like 50g of raw shrooms and dose yourself with 10g and lose your mind

Also, it would depend on how dry they were already, 10:1 (IIRC! DISCLAIMER!) is straight up raw.

>tfw talking about drugs with you degenerates doesn't make me want to drugs even a little

Nice, I made it.

>>39712193

I have never tried LSD. Going bad scares me.

>>39712428

It is far easier to have a "bad trip" on shrooms than LSD because like I said, more emotional, less visual

To minimize risk of a bad trip on either, make sure you are in a happy and positive mood and had a good week before you take it

If you're having a rough time, bad week, stressed, depressed, you're putting yourself at risk

Also, make sure you take it in the morning, on a nice day, when you have nothing to do, can just chill outside.

If you're an introvert, no 'spotter', no friends, no nothing, just do it alone

I can't fucking stand people when I am on any physch

>>39711540
If you hit bone you went too far. Doctors do this to people all the time without the person even noticing. Not a big deal, just get that shit in there.

>>39712428
>>39712458
Seconding how easy it can be to have a bad trip on shrooms compared to LSD

Only time I've ever had a bad trip I was on blatantly retarded dosages for no good reason except I had a shitty day, so that's two stupid things I did going in to the trip

Was about 13 drops of liquid LSD at ~110ug per drop iirc. With 0.14g MDMA added in.

Pretty much everything he said rings true, take it when you're comfortable in life and when you can dedicate an entire two days (the day of AND the day after) to doing absolutely nothing at all.

>introvert, no 'spotter', no friends, no nothing
seconding this as well, UNLESS its your first time, then you should really have a spotter at least until you hit your peak, to make sure you can handle it.

Also, keep some benzos on hand if you need to come down from the trip. 2 or 3 Xanax and I'm toast from a trip, pass out and wake up sober, have only had to use the one time I had a bad trip.

Conversely, I'm a person who needs some form of contact while on a psych, but it needs to be intelligent contact. e.g. the conversations and experiences I shared with DMT girl, not just "LOL BRO, I AM SO FUKKED UP"

>>39712386
yeah its only a rough estimation but it also depends on what youre comparing, different strains of shrooms and truffels have different ratios obviously

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>>39712512

>t 13 drops of liquid LSD at ~110ug per drop
>bad day

>everything he said rings true

I used to be a filthy degenerate like you guys and physchs were my drug of choice

>spotter first time

Sort of disgaree, I'd rather he just did a bitch dose 150ug his first time, and no spotter

How are you gonna have a bad trip on 150ug lol, you'd be lucky to have any """"trip"""

>benzos on hand

Dunno how I forgot this, anon, don't drink or use benzos, it will end your trip prematurely (unless you're having a bad trip and want it to end)

Also to that guy that was trying to help me before, I just went nearly 24 hours without eating and my glands were bigger than they have been in like a month. Doubt it's coincidence the ONE time I go without saliva production stimulation.

>>39712537
I've learned to balance it. Whenever I cut out my usage completely I become a bitter, cynical fucking cunt with a distaste for every aspect of human interaction and life. Probably a symptom of my original psych use to begin with.

But, when I pace myself, maybe a couple or few days of usage a handful of times a year, I enjoy the in between of experiences a lot more, and still get to enjoy psych's. Balance and moderation is key, as with anything else.

>how are you gonna have a bad trip on 150ug lol
tripped with a girl once (keep in mind, girl, tolerance was lower but still) who got herself stuck in a really, really, really evil thought loop

Kept repeating herself over and over for about an hour, having an internal crisis (very externally) about her sexuality, we ended up not giving her anything to come down from it because it seemed to be something she was personally struggling with for a long time, so she needed to push past it (ended up thanking us for this after the fact)

but man, she was out of it. Completely. Only a 165ug dose, too.

>>39712574

And I smoked weed with a girl who had an internal crisis after like 3 hits of mids

I suspect attention whoring.

>learned to ballance it

I posted before about it, but flashbacks are FUCKING REAL DUDE.

I did 750ug like clockwork, every 5 days for a year.

For the next few years, when I was very tried, or drunk, or smoked weed, I would see the tell tale patterns around me of LSD use. You know, the floral patterns on fabrics, or brick walls, etc.

The same as if I was maybe 30 minutes into a trip (just took a dose 30 mins ago)

Flashbacks are NOT a meme if you abuse it.

> I become a bitter, cynical fucking cunt with a distaste for every aspect of human interaction and life.

Hmm, I dislike human interaction unless it's sales or getting laid.

Because then you get the satisfaction of 'selling' something you wanted to get rid of, forcing it on another person who took it off you.

My favorite thing in life has always been sales.

I have trust problems though, I don't associate with anyone irl other than customers or tindies because of those trust problems.

The reason I like this general so much partially, is because, I feel like you guys, there's no possibly way you can try to even use or abuse me.

A friend, for example, could say 'lets get lunch' and then 'forget' his wallet.

How is a trip in /fraud/ gonna do something like that to me?

They can't.

>but man, she was out of it.

hurr durr if i freak out about my sexuality I will get some attention from cat piss and maybe a chance to explore it with him ;>)

>>39711939
sounds great breh, tripping with someone going in deep conversations are easy some of the best moments of my life, loveit, im now going to try and convert a grill to being a fertility goddess that understands the importance of gender roles after reading what he was saying lel

>>39712629
>750ug like clockwork

yeah even I wasn't that bad. I'd consider 300ug a VERY high dose for me now. I usually like to relax and really entertain deep conversation or experiences on 165ug, that's my usual single tab dosage

if I want a lot more introspection, I'll go up to a 225ug tab, but that's about it anymore

the one time I did ~1400ug was just not pleasant, not even because of the bad portion of the trip, I just don't remember it, I don't feel like I accomplished anything, I was just incoherently fucked

>trust problems
I dealt with this a lot. The biggest key is just to remember that nobody owes you anything. As you said in your 'lets get lunch' example, you don't deserve to pay for someone elses lunch, but nobody else is obligated to give you that shit either. Just remember that everything goes both ways and when you have to put trust in someone, use a bargaining chip requiring their trust back, it'll work out for the better that way.

>hurr durr if I freak out about my sexuality I will get some attention from CP and maybe a chance to explore it with him :>)

if only it was that easy for me

but really, we just left her alone in her room upstairs and could hear her really flipping shit about this stuff, and kinda "stomping" around. She was very much out of it, but has some actual mental issues as well that could have played into it.

>>39712749
>convert a grill to being a fertility goddess

god speed, it sounds like perfection

>>39712629
>A friend, for example, could say 'lets get lunch' and then 'forget' his wallet.
If that's the reason you hate humanity, you've got serious issues brah.

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>>39711487
Most underrated pic in all of 4chan

>>39711939
Is she your drug-gf now?

Did shroomin + fucking kinda blunt the motivation/drive/momentum that you felt right after the DMT trip?

Remember how we were discussing perma-trips that last for a lot longer than the time you're on the drug? I feel like for every single one of them, sexual expression or casual drug use (like weed or drinking) killed it or at least severely blunted the momentum imparted to me by those experiences.

The time it lasted for 6 months without a drug catalyst, it took a long time for the sexual expression to kill the momentum. It's really just the latent tendencies of the mind cropping up again, because the experience is not "earned" in the way that monks/saints earn it, by overcoming their old habits/ways and imposing a new order on their being. Re-designing themselves. When it's such a fast shot to the moon you're kinda put at the top of the mountain without the know how of how to climb back should you fall down.

And in that way, the fall is somewhat necessary and just.

However it turns out, glad you're having fun!

>>39712749
>convert a grill to being a fertility goddess that understands the importance of gender roles

Do it. Not impossible by any stretch of the imagination. You have to be fully sorted out yourself if you want to impart that sort of awakening. The girl I knew who underwent that transformation was already very philosophically adept in a non-trivial way like most grills are. Also extremely chaste and reserved, so she didn't try and rationalize promiscuity like most people do.

That last bit is very important - even if you are or have been promiscuous as a guy or a girl, you have to try and see it from a detached perspective and realize that you can change your opinion on whether or not it's a good thing without condemning yourself. Most people can't achieve that sort of detached objectivity sober, but it's most lasting when done sober (as she had achieved).

out of curiosity...

Aren't you afraid that your heart will explode or something? Do you know the risks or do you deny them? Do you feel the fat loss when cutting on clen?

>>39711939
>Peek's posts
Is that a trip here or something else? There's a cutie I tripped with a couple times, probably doing it again soon. She's pleasant to be around but I'm not of a quiet person - could use topic(s) to discuss.

>>39712899
out of curiosity why dont you fuck off and die
>inject steron
>omfg my heart exploded oh well gg
>b-but my fat ass better hint at wanting to use clen

>>39712899
yolo

rather live till 40 as a man who has the body/opportunities he wants instead of 80 as a basic beta

>>39712924
is this the famous roid rage?

>>39712930
i can see that

>>39712930
yea look at all the ifbb pros using 50x our dosages who are all dying in their 40s

wait they're all still fucking alive into their old ages, what's going on here guys?

>>39712884
>is she your drug-gf now?
kek, kinda maybe

she seems great, I could get used to the idea

>did shroomin + fucking blunt the motivation that you felt right after the DMT trip?

Not at all, actually, I feel like meeting her through the DMT experience (I think I'll always maintain that I did, because of the cosmic attraction we felt to come into contact with one another after our trips) and then exploring her as a person is only the first step towards a greater understanding of something larger.

If anything, it feels somewhat MORE motivational, to know that this experience has led to another great experience within itself, and so soon. I don't think it's changed anything, only encouraged me to act even more upon what I was feeling before.

>>39712899
clen is shit, DNP instead

>heart will explode
if you keep up with cardio, you don't literally feel this, and the overhyped negativity around it is 90% bullshit

>know the risks or deny them
depends on each and every person but by and large I would say that most people just deny them and try to pretend they're not taking any risks because it's a convenient excuse to allow them to use steroids

>>39712924
to be fair, he approached it more genuinely than most people do, no need to bash the guy

>>39712920
see>>39712884

yes, a trip.

read through some of the previous threads from the last day or two in the archives, and search for his posts. Lots of good conversation starters there, for psych use.

>>39712833

Oh, and you don't? You're posting in /fraud/ kek.

One of the reasons I like this general again, is everyone here has severe mental problems too.

Bunch of fucking loons, everyone here is a narcissist, I'm a narrcasist and I'm skinny fat LOL.

>>39712766

I dunno, I find when when you push past 500ug, you get really intense visuals.

That was the main appeal of the drug for me.

My visuals were always, always floral patterns. Flower based stuff.

On like 200ug, just flower patterns, but on like 75oug, the flowers start to come to life a little bit better, start to grow, to throb, and honestly I have to say, it is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen, is a sea of flowers (the most beatiful ones I have ever seen, glistening with jewels) grow out of snow, or grass.

At 200ug, it's just fucking floral ish patterns. Not exciting.

>trust problems

Meh, I just assume everyone is out to fuck me, other than customers, who want to do business with me, fraud posters who can't, and tindies who want to use me sexually.

End of the day, the easiest way to not be taken advantage of, or even have people try to do so, is to just not give anyone the opportunity to do so.

Ever since I cut contact with all my """friends"""" (people that wanted to use me, cheat me, steal from me) no one has tried to cheat, steal, or use me.

The problem with normies is they always push and push and push, see what they can take. They ask you for a ride, you give them one, then, when you need one?

Doesn't matter that you dropped everything to help them before, they say 'Im busy dude'

Fuck those people, I don't need or want them.

I am so much happier now without any """friends"""

Normies are a fucking curse, a plague .

The only reason 99% of them have "friends" is to try to exploit more favors from than, than they give.

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Anyone got any experience with trest? That, deca, or tren for a second blast?

>>39712979
tren

trest is an overpriced meme

>>39712979
depends on your goals

You want to remain relatively lean and bloat free? Go with tren

Want to use a 'wet' compound without estrogenic (still has progestrogenic sides) sides? use deca

want to grow some titties and become poor, but also have some insane fucking mass put on? use trest

>>39712958
For the visual side of things I can understand going to a large dosage, I've just always chased the philosophical and emotional enlightenment more than the visuals. I find other compounds to be more visually stimulating, personally.

>normies
the key here is, don't find normie friends! Why do you think I like the druggie girls so much? Unique people operating on their own wavelengths that aren't entirely applicable to normie standards whatsoever.

>>39712899
clen=sploding heart for shit results
roids=reduced heart health which can just about be completely negated by lifestyle unless you go crazy with dosages

>>39713008

Then shrooms would by far be better for you than LSD, you need to do like 1000ui for the same emtioional effects as a modest 2.5g shroom trip

Which is why I like LSD. Less emotional shit.

Every time I do shrooms, I become a gigantic asshole for a while. I do some instrsopection and I realize

>I don't fucking care about anybody other than myself, my mom, and my dad
>Fuck everyone else.
>There's actually a part of me that ENJOYS causing fucking problems for others

And then I think about all the people that caused problems for me in my life and think 'Well fuck, It's piss on people or be pissed on, I fucking get it, time to start pissing'

I don't like to look inside myself and see that staring back at me. It's bad.

As of now I care about others, I want all the trips here to be happy and shit.

Shrooms on high dosage, like 5g, make me think about myself, how I'm a prick, etc, I don't like it one bit.

I much prefer this version of me that cares about others.

I legitimately care about even you catpiss, all the trips really.

Even glands who is a cunt to me I want his fucking glands to be sorted out, badly

If I do fucking shrooms, I just won't care at all, or worse, I actually want his glands to get worse, so I can laugh about it.

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>>39712955
>Not at all, actually
Awesome - very happy for you. Keep the motivation/enthusiasm up, they are very inspiring.

The whole thing where I framed it as a sort of progression up a mountain is just for illustration - you should always be seeking to learn from every experience and never be discouraged. Most important thing. If you have read all the spiritual books in the world you but don't have this good attitude, you are lost.

I'm so happy to read your posts, honestly. Such beautiful experiences that we don't see enough of in this world.

Very interested to see how these seeds of profound experiences germinate and blossom in the upcoming months for you.

>>39712920
>>39712955
>good conversation starters

I'll not take credit for the goodness of the topics - everything I know about the spiritual path and metaphysics is from the great giants of philosophy and religion. I am a humble student of them.

I relied a lot on Platonic terminology because most westerners are sympathetic to that way of thinking (also your DMT trip evoked memories of Platonic metaphysics to an uncanny degree).

The best conversations of this nature happen between people who have interacted with philosophical texts in a serious prolonged manner. Doing this before a trip is fertilizing the soil before planting the seed. Will potentiate your experience far more than any synergistic chemical compound - GUARANTEED.

>>39713091
forgot trip, on mobile now

>>39713102
who the fuck is this.. another natty?

>>39713119
TRT here for the bantz

deal with it

>>39713148

Actual trt or 400ngl 'low t disorder' to 1500ngl 'natty' trt?

>>39713162
>Actual trt or 400ngl 'low t disorder' to 1500ngl 'natty' trt?
so actual trt or actual trt?

>>39713162
275 ng/dl -> 800 ng/dl
100mg Test Cyp/week
750iu HCG over 3 shots a week

Not sure if that makes it "actual" or not. Legal right now.

Want to blast but doc is monitoring my bloods like a hawk bc I'm not 50 like most of his patients. Might decide to go the UGL route after next bloodwork. Way cheaper than doing it the legal way, which is fucked up. Also I am spooked about Leydig desensitization from running high-ish HCG for too long.

Any insight into the HCG concern appreciated.

>>39713184

isn't sub 300 low t and 1200-1000 like natty cut off for 99% of men

nothing wrong with using gear to leave humanity behind but if yo get your test levels checked and it's like 600 and you say 'fuck it's not 1200' and then boost that shit to 2000 ngl and say it's trt, lol

just be honest and call it what it is, using gear

>>39713205
The reference range for testosterone varies by doctor. I've seen the low limit be around 200-350 and the high limit around 900-1150, so you've pretty much got it.

>>39713205
I'm low T af natty.

Biggest change from TRT is the sleep. Dear God, I forgot what it was like to have RESTFUL sleep. Total life changer.

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>>39713231
>>39713205
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shit-flinging retards running the zoo, mast still vanishing so far up his own ass I've long since lost the ability to tell his "trolling" from genuine delusion, cancer chipmunk somehow still alive

can't for the life of me remember why I haven't been on /fraud/ much this semester

>>39711570
>>39711643

beg pardon?

>>39713255
What are you in school for? I really liked your posts when you were more frequently posting here, figured you were a pharmacy major or something.

>>39713205
here's the expert underage natty again acting like a know it all about steroids

>xD 400ng/dl test isn't low

http://www.strawpoll.me/11887173/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/11887173/r

fraud edition: Should alex fuck off already and stop shitting up the thread with his underage autism, and giving garbage advice about steroids to people when he himself is fucking natty and doesn't know shit?

>>39713255
I'm trying the meme routine incarnate; sheiko

it's fun t b h

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>>39712884
interesting, i'm curious whats your take on what the gender roles should look like? correct me if im wrong, im assuming you believe the woman should be non promiscuous, a stay at home nurturer, elaborate, I mean I understand gender roles having an importance, but I'm also unsure where the fine line is between intelligently working in ways most fitting deemed by evolution, and whats just old fashioned and not exactly necessary to stay in line with.

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>>39713255
You done with finals yet?

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>>39713279

prelude to a physician assistant program

>>39713280

here let me do it for you

>>39713280

get the fuck out

>>39713283

stuck at 240 for a while because school was fucking with getting a decent surplus in and actual sleep, neat thing is I've probably dropped a couple percent while my lifts have gone up

>>39713295

yes my son, the liverpocalypse is nigh

>>39713324
I know that school struggle

the past number of weeks have just been trudging through the bullshit workload while trying to maintain a spark of sanity and focus on training/diet

it was fucking awful, glad I'm running a surplus again myself

>275 brick when

>>39713324
brick thank god you are not a pussy and are actually standing up against these retarded ass natties who for some reason think they belong in a steroid thread.... telling other people how to use steroids...

i've been browsing this shithole less and less and just sticking to certain other steroid forums, because those places aren't part of a larger social network like 4chan, which is already pre-infested with fucking retards and autists.

i wonder why they have only just now began invading this thread a few months ago though. wasn't like this until this year

>>39713324
hows uni life ? i did my assoicates through online only and it was soooo fucking easy

>>39713352
MAGA probaly

they all want a short cut to le combat fitness incase shit goes down hill

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>>39713280
/fraud/ is a no bully zone

>>39713293

Check out this quote for a brief taste of what the logic behind the traditional gender roles is: >>39705819

The traditional gender roles aren't "antiquated," it's just that the people in charge of enforcing them forgot the rational underpinning for them and weren't able to impart the significance of them to the new generation.

Happens with everything - religion, political conservatism (hell even liberalism), hygiene, wealth management, morality, etc. If you don't get why things were done the way were done and/or can't communicate the logical underpinning of tradition to future generations, guess what - you're going to lose tradition.

But the funny thing about many traditions is that they return in one way or another because they are based in truth or human nature. So a few generations will go their wayward ways and make a bunch of mistakes, understand the rational underpinning behind some "antiquated" ideas, and bring them back (with some updates informed by the direction society has moved in the meanwhile).

To answer your question more directly, de-emphasizing the importance of a female's pre-nuptual chastity eventually leads to a weaker civilization (see JD Unwin for how not why), and unfulfilling lives for a good chunk of the female population (see feminist roasties who aren't hot enough to lock someone down after riding the cock carousel).

I'm not saying women should not work, but their work should not come at the expense of the natural and archetypal expression of their femininity. We can say that a lot of girls now days right now don't have innate traditional femininity whose natural expression IS to be career driven stronk womyn, but I think that it is more of a reflection of the female role models pushed in media as well as in school (which eventually becomes the new norm).

>>39713399
>/fraud/, sterons general
>where fucking retarded cuck natties talk about trannies

yep bye, back to the other forums for me. fuck this place

>>39713411
>he doesnt like based futanari
pleb pls go

>>39713411
You talk as if off-topic posts prevent you from making on-topic posts

>>39713411

cu here tomorrow

>>39713399

100% agree

I believe both women and men are happier when they are cast in traditional gender roles

I feel like there's a strong push in society to masculinize women, and feminize men, in terms of cultural.

I have a hard time believing these people are truly happy that fall for the memes

See, the stuff happening on college campuses, feminism, safe spaces.

The idea of a woman being so aggressive and assertive and men crying about fucking words on a screen and needing a safe space with coloring books?

It's all ass backwards.

But it's not such a problem yet, because it's so easy to find masculine men, feminine woman. It's just the fucking dregs that fell for the memes, so far

>>39713441
why cant two natties talk to eachother about trannies in one of the million other threads on this website instead of shitting up the steroid thread? why aren't you in some other unrelated thread that doesn't even relate to you, like some random anime thread? a random thread on /lit/, where you spew random bullshit about literature despite knowing nothing and having no experience with it? a random thread on fucking /sci/, where you go spew random shit pretending to know about math when you don't know shit? it's the same thing,they are just as unrelated to you as this thread is. there is no reason for you to ruin this thread specifically, except "oh but the personalities here are cool" they are cool because they are on steroids and you know that makes them more aesthetic and more alpha than you. you are not. so fuck off. why don't you go to another of the 2 million generals on this website? right because every other thread is filled with low test faggots instead of roiders on tren banting at eachother, which isn't as "wow cool personalities" to you

you're the reason all the trips are leaving. because they have no interest in lurking a thread that natties have taken over spamming random bullshit about steroids that they've never touched or will touch, acting like they roid and giving advice to people, while simultaneously talking shit to people who actually know what the fuck they are doing

closing thread now, bye and kill yourself, you are like the illegal mexicans that flood into the US and then piss and moan when the actual citizens try to get them to fucking leave

>>39713500
OOOO BABY

FETTUCCINE OR MARINARA?

WE'RE HAVIN' SOME FRESH PASTA TONIGHT

saved anon, thanks

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>>39713399
well i'll be damned, this certainly changes my perspective on things a bit, makes sense, and now im slightly more depressed that it will be that much more difficult to find a woman who's up to par with my standards AND has a low partner count and/or is a virgin.

>>39713091
>>39713529
oh yea i came back to point out that there is even fucking natty frogposters spamming this shithole, and then i see this retard posting about his fucking anime pure virgin waifu bullshit. god damn this place used to be so good now it makes me want to cringe and kill myself

it's like some retard piece of nerd shit is majoring in computer science or something and then keeps trying to fucking annoy people in the gym and butt into their conversations when they don't even work out

"oh but you guys seem cool and get a lot of pussy and you're buff, so i like to hang around" no but fuck off

ok actually leaving now bye

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>>39713500
>he doesnt try and redpill people on social issues on everyboard and thread he goes to.

t. swedecuck


https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vbw1v5e0n1h4in3/AADX6B4wkTzykbj3xySJWzQ-a?dl=0
redpills

>>39713550
my pure virgin waifu is the best

nice pasta faggot give me more.

pls stay ill suck your dick for dyke and mikes

>>39713498
Just saw some pic on my news feed earlier today saying
"Let women be masculine
Let men be feminine"
I silently raged to myself and told that bitch how wrong she was.
Fuck I'm getting more and more sick of these feminist bitches by the day. I mean of course theres nothing inherently wrong with feminism in real important ways like voting and whatnot, but you guys know what i mean, the stupid thirdwave tumblr bitches getting naked in the streets, dripping period blood everywhere, and falsely accusing men of rape because they're roasties that dont have control of themselves when drunk are fucking cancer

>>39711611
NATTY GET OUT

Seems like a good time to post this

http://www.strawpoll.me/11887173

>>39713568

Yep yep

Also,

>using facebook

Lol it's like budget okcupid, just jump on okcupid, plus, it stalks you hardcore.

>but you guys know what i mean, the stupid thirdwave tumblr bitches getting naked in the streets, dripping period blood everywhere, and falsely accusing men of rape because they're roasties that dont have control of themselves when drunk are fucking cancer

If it makes you feel better, they are permanently damaging themselves.

The odds they find a man they can even respect like, 1%, to settle down with later in life, are zero.

If someone spent their 20s doing that shit, you can smell the crazy at 30.

Any guy that settles down with that trash would have to be fucking horrible excuse for a male.

Like, the kind of guy to provide us with pasta every other day *cough* because he is so unstable and mentally weak he gets this triggered over words in his secret club *cough*

And I don't believe a woman can be happy with a man like that, ever.

if you have never pinned roids in ur life pls leave this thread

>>39713626
This or at least stop posting

Jesus christ

>>39713529
I'm sure you're beating em off with sticks with shit like that saved to your computer. Jesus the delusional people on this board.

>>39713626
YOU CAN'T MAKE ME
But really, I only lurk and make an occasional post asking questions as I prepare to start the cruise life.

>>39713634
hahahah fucking lmfao, i know right. holy shit

>>39713648
that's different... there are literally more natty retards tripping now, who say they have no intention of doing steroids, than there are roiders.

Why don't they all make a /natty/ general instead of being here? they would literally talk about the exact same garbage they are doing here. nothing would change for them.

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>>39713626
>ask quesitons about steriods
>get anwsers quickly while people argue about the details
if thats all we did then this would be fucking boring ass thread.

orrrr you could just use fucking google to solve all the answers for you like we have done or pay the price of memes and shitposting to varying opinion's on these substances here

>>39713660
Wait, these natty trips have no intention of roiding?
Why even show up?

>>39713671
>the steroid thread
>is better when 99% of the people in it have never touched steroids and have ruined the thread enough to the point that everyone who does roid has left for other websites

>>39713677
the one that was asked about it literally said he enjoys that he is pissing us off by ruining the thread, "alex" is the name he was given when he came out of his dads aids infested asshole apparently

>>39713324
Are you still on that balls deep stack?

>>39713550
Do you even pin? What are you running?

And where was anyone talking about trannies?

How long have you lurked /fraud/? It has ALWAYS been blogposting general.

What are you expecting this thread to be?
>what's the half life of test
>what's the best starting cycle
>what's the best intermediate cycle
>do I need to run a test base with tren

i.e., all questions that can be answered BY THE FUCKING WIKI

My money is on you being a closet natty LARPing as a disgruntled roider

And before you fucking ask/accuse like I know you fucking will, yes I am on gear, and no I don't care that natties post here.

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>>39713682
well when you put it that way then the newfags need to hop on roids or GTFO then

im taking hormones but ill be injecting soon enough. just gotta get my shit straight. fucking wish the new prohormones where as good as the old. oh well it was gonna be sooner or later that i hop on the real deal.

>>39713671
fuck off. that all i have to say to u

>>39713710


.t buthurt faggot

4chan has always been a horrible place dont ever expect it to be what its labeled or intended to be here.

if its a good thread then itll be a ruined thread 9001 times out of B&

my ass skin is scarred over from injecting for 1 year. cant use the same needle to transfer from the vial to my glutes / ventro glutes...what will my ass be like after 10 years of bnc if im not dead

>>39713599
see
>>39709533
facebook can be a godsend for pulling hoes if you know what you're doing, much moreso than OKC in my experience, difference being the friends and likes, if a girl sees other hot girls liking your pics and stuff, they're gonna be much more open to fucking you, im telling you its like a domino effect, one hot ass 10 likes your pic, and all the other girls will just fall in line, next thing you know you have a metric shit ton of likes, and most of those girls will be down to fuck, it's ridiculously easy to build abundance on fb, even a complete virgin chode could become a player utilizing it properly
but lel yeah, will be funny to see how things are for them 10 years from now

>>39713634
lel can't blame you for thinking that, I would have probably thought the same thing a year ago

i just recently started setting stuff like this as my wallpaper that changes every 10 seconds, so its kind of like russian roulette when i have a girl over kek, it'll be funny as fuck when she sees it and gives me a weird look

>>39713706
>>How long have you lurked /fraud/? It has ALWAYS been blogposting general.
Not him but I'm on gear and this thread has always been blogposting by roiders, which set it apart since most roiders aren't beta fucking faggots spamming the thread with frogs and anime porn, and "tfw i will never find a pure virgin waifu up to my standards", which is what it is now. just like every other thread on 4chan now. this thread was the only reason i ever came on 4chan nowadays. now it's trash

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>>39713671
this, desu I don't even pay attention to most actual roid related shit here much anymore because its all the same shit over and over and over, that and because im somewhat jelly im not on gear atm
>>39713729
this

>>39713771
>desu I don't even pay attention to most actual roid related shit here much anymore

literally why are you here lol. This is the only fraud dedicated thread

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>>39713768
you havent been here long at all and its very obvious fucking kek

it's always been this way, except maybe a little bit more interesting around a year or two ago, when we had a bunch of trips, I miss everyone :'( and the fraud experts, but i think they realized how cancerous and what a shithole this place was and left
it's kinda dead now in comparison, but yeah no theres always been anime porn, frogs, pure virgin waifu talk and whatnot

>the vendor I bought a new meth pipe off of hasn't been online since April
>just now realized this
>funds stuck in escrow for 42 more hours

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee whatever at least it's only $8

guess I'll just deposit a bit more and spend the $8 on a few hits of LSD when it kicks back into my account

>>39713802
>except maybe a little bit more interesting around a year or two ago, when we had a bunch of trips, I miss everyone :'( and the fraud experts, but i think they realized how cancerous and what a shithole this place was and left

they left because retards like yourself and these other fucks are even saying they don't pay attention to roid related shit and dont care about it, and spam your bullshit anime porn

there is even that one fuck that says he ENJOYS pissing off the roiders who want him to leave

he comes into a roid thread... to trip and spam about how he is never going to use roids... and enjoys pissing off the people who the thread exists for...

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>>39713796
meh idk, it still has some semblance of cool people here that actually get laid and have similar interests such as drugs and lifting as me, with similar perspectives on life, unlike anywhere else on 4chan, or on the internet that i know of for that matter

fraud also saved me from a cancerous life w my ex some time ago, i'll always have some amount of love for this shithole

>>39713842
>>meh idk, it still has some semblance of cool people here that actually get laid
and now those cool people are all leaving because these fucking virgin losers are shitting up this thread because they think it will help them "learn" to get pussy

>>39713768
>which is what it is now. just like every other thread on 4chan now
Waaaaa booo hooo

if you have any questions about steroids or want to talk about your steroid cycle then do so now because bitching about people shitposting each other will only make your problem worse ?

how fucking long have you been on 4chan anyways ? when have you started hitting the 4chan purple dragon ? did you ever read about the rules of the internet and if you havent you should.

https://archive.org/stream/RulesOfTheInternet/RulesOfTheInternet..txt

the old trips leave and start a new life on a new board or they grow up and finally trade in there cum rags for the flesh of there cumdumpster wifes and get a hard paying job.

it happens in all communities except no one ever leaves 4chan, your here forever.

>>39713865
PROTIP try being cool yourself before you cry about the cool people finding a better thing to do with there lives.

>>39713865

>implying you're a "cool person"

top kek

>fucking virgin losers are shitting up this thread

So stop posting?

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>>39713821
nah p sure we lost most of them to the whatsapp group whenever incest pedo showed up

you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, we rarely spoke about roids back then for the same reason as now. It's always been blogshitposting central.

No ones stopping anyone from talking about roids m8, go right ahead, i may even join in if you can think of anything interesting and insightful that hasnt already been talked about hundreds of times

>>39713892
except it used to be roiders blog posting. now it is faggots like yourself and these other retards talking about beta shit like their anime and how natty they are.

im out, wallow in your pile of shit. back to l3ddit with me, where people actually use steroids and where you would get bannned for this shit.

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>>39713821
cmon, everyones waiting, bring up some insightful interesting roid related topic that hasnt been talked about 100X

oh, nothing to say? So you're basically just looking for us to entertain you and find stuff you want to talk about, but you dont actually want to do that yourself?

>>39713981
Is this the 5th time you said "I'm out?"

Do you pin? I'm starting to think you're a natty LARPing as a butthurt veteran lurker of /fraud/

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>>39713981
kek, except i never spoke about anime even until you brought it up dumbass, by the way, I'm currently off the juice temporarily, but thats still not considered natty ;)

Goodbye, you will be missed lel

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300/500/500 when doing test/tren/mast
or 300/800/800

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>>39714042
>he uses steroids

Well I finally have the confidence to trip now that everyone else is doing it

Hello

>rolled Wednesday night
>brutalized ex on Molly
>she gets confident and blood chokes me
>ejaculate as I pass out
>wake up to her grinding my cock, it's still oozing cum
>she slaps me awake
>shoves tiddies in my mouth
>leans in close to coo and moan in my ear

This place got real lame I'm gonna stick to my fuck den apt #l8tr nerds

>>39714246
>bragging about some slut that is so shallow she is attracted to a steroid user

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christ the pseudo intellectual r9k/trp frothing nerd rage is just never-fucking-ending

>>39713337
>>39713324
>275 brick when

actually the last week of the trest/tren/mast choo choo

taking about the next 3 weeks and switching to 250mg test u, maybe 350mg vet tren since I've got a bit left, 400mg dnp, 20mg gw, while cranking ~1hr of fasted liss a day and a 1k deficit

oh and there's actually a really good reason why I've got to whip up a couple hundred ml of bac water, so we'll see how that goes

>>39713352

idk but it's like watching the ugly retarded kid you only keep in your group of friends for sheer entertainment value, except now he's got cancer and there are only so many cancer jokes you can make before it gets old

>>39713376
>hows uni life ? i did my assoicates through online only and it was soooo fucking easy

that explains a great many things

>>39714246

even though you're already sleeping next to her, chick like her starts sinking an actual blood choke and I'm going to start swinging for the fucking hills because I've got no idea if I'm actually gonna wake up

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>>39714246
>and the cycle continues

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>>39714042
I'll answer a steroid question now lel

You're always going to be better off with low dose over a longer period of time, than high dose over a shorter period of time, that being said if you're doing the cycle for the same period of time regardless, high dose will duh, give you more results. Also take into consideration though, the higher the tren the harder it will be to stay on for a longer period of time, SOOO

300/800/800 if you think you can handle it without hopping off early due to tren sides, I personally never had much problems with tren sides for example and could probably get away with it, however some people talk about tren sides like they're the worst thing in the world and they literally can't stay on any longer than 6--8 weeks, for those kinds of people, obviously lower dose and drawing it out as long as possible will reap the most benefits

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>>39714246
beautiful

I aspire to be like you bimbo

one day

(minus the whole gay porn thing)
How's that working out for ya anyway? Probably rolling in the money by this point

>>39712386
It is 10:1 just picked to totally dry. My buddy who grows dries his until they're exactly that ratio and they're some of the best booms I've ever had period.

Fresh mushies have another active compound in them however not present in dried, so be cautious taking 25 g of fresh mushroom (which really doesn't look like that much) because it might be a biiiit more than you expect.

>>39712428
I'm of the exact opposite opinion as Alex on shrooms vs LSD. I've had some seriously horrible, terrifying, and awful trips on acid, but only ever mildly weird ones on booms. I think booms are more mild and naturey than acid, but some people can't stand being in the city on Lucy.

I guess the important part is starting slow and testing your limits. Bad trips usually aren't that big a deal, but they absolutely can be especially if the popo get involved.

I agree with the rest of what he said tho, besides doing it alone. I think the most important thing hands down as a newbie is you have someone bigger and experienced enough to trip sit you even if he's in another room or something.

>>39712512
This is also good advice, I don't like xanax though for helping people off bad trips, but some people swear by it. Personally I mix camomile tea in cold milk with vanilla extract, and that works amazingly well along with just talking people out of weird thought loops and shit.

>>39712537
I've had one tab of acid blow me out of the world before, throw me in a thought loop, light shit on fire, and I lost a sheet plus a bunch of other stuff and my car keys/wallet.

It's a weird, weird drug. Most of the time a tab is barely enough to get me feeling floaty and things start getting trippy, sometimes it absolutely disassociates me from the earth.

Long story short have a trip sitter your first time at least just to gauge your reaction to it.

Making my way through the thread boys, hold up.

I can't find a clear answer on the wiki
About to begin my first cycle with Test-E and an AI.
Should I also be taking the AI everyday, E3D with the Test, or just when I feel the potential effects of aromatization?

>>39714282
She tried an air choke and she pushed my trachea in. That was spooky. The blood choke is way comfier and when I come to I'm horny and angry; she digs it.

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>>39713500
WOOOO NEW FRAUD PASTA.

Side note at least I know I'm just here for the 4 b's, b8, bantz, blogging, bitching, and I don't ever pretend to know jack shit about roids outside of when someone's intentionally being ridiculous for the b8.

>>39713592

I don't think you faggots understand, Alex is a troll at heart. Your hate only makes him stronger. You are all quite literally feeding the troll, morons.

>>39713626
If you don't blog post in /fraud/ or enjoy it pls go. This general hasn't been about pinning or roiding since I first started shitposting.

>>39713771

Thoughts on mk677???

Yeah this general would be a million times better with just that parroted a million times over by cap while people argue over it.

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>>39714515

you can hold off on the first week as levels are still in the preliminary stages of building up but after that if you're pinning e3d then start there with the lowest possible dose you can use depending on if it's a tab you're splitting, a cap, or a liquid suspension

if you're still getting low e2 symptoms then you may be a very good (aka low) responder to aromatase but you want to be on top of shit as the levels start to peak over 3-4 weeks, trying to stay in that sweet spot between not low enough to break your dick or make your joints crunchy but also not high enough to bloat you and also break your dick

>>39714557

most people don't know how to get a proper blood choke anyway, but that shit like like a fucking light switch when you actually do it right

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>>39714246
Bimbsie you're amazing.

>>39714603
She's super good at it. I'm the only person she's actually choked but I know she spends a lot of time researching this shit.

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>>39714585
kek

High test low tren or low test high tren?

y no oral only cycle?

where is ventroglute?

wat do for acne?

>>39714603
I'm on 600mg/w and I'm about to finish 2nd week of pinning.

As of yet I'm not feeling any different, no itchy nips nor emotional shit. Should I just take some asin as a precaution,
say like 6.25mg E3D or just hold off until I notice high e2 symptoms?

>>39714716
VG is the large triangle shaped muscle that chills to the side of the ass right beneath the pelvic bone.

Turn to the profile, flex your ass, in the mirror you should see a triangle shaped muscle. Pin the center of that while relaxed.

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>>39714755
lel im jk bimbo, i feel like that along with the others are questions asked very frequently

>>39714775

>questions asked very frequently

>time spent lifting: 2 months
>body fat %: 35%
>age: 18

Is it a good idea for me to hop on gear?

>>39714585

>in 2 days I generated 3 pastas
>they think I'm going anywhere
>get off the phone with an ebay customer
>reach for that f5 key
>see if there's any (you)s

The best thing is I don't need to troll to get (you)s, just be my retarded self.

autism= God mode.

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>>39713199
Although I don't currently use hcg it seems pretty standard in most trt situations.

Sup degenerates?

Yo dudes and dudettes what the fuck is UP
Just hit 1/2/3/4 on reps after a three year break due to injury, what kinda gear should I hop on?

Back then I did a couple cycles of only test E but nothing more. Thinking about starting with a test E + winny cycle to get my strength going and then legit trying some fluoxymesterone, my nigga selling that shit. Any suggestions?

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>>39714862
>fluoxymesterone

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>>39714282
DNP + GW sounds bad ass.
>>39714585
>Thoughts on mk677
It was NEVER me lol. Not a single time. I swear on me mum.
>>39714755
How's life with the girlie at the new place?

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>>39714603
>>39714728

Guys I'm on a "/fraud/ cruise" of 250mg/week - was looking to switch over to asin instead of adex because I finally got a pharma source.

Looked at the half life - looks like it's 24 hrs more or less. Currently happy taking 0.25mg adex on pin days, what would be an equivalent asin dose?

Based on what I can gather, looks like 6.25mg asin is about the same as 0.25mg adex. Just curious about dosing frequency.

>>39714947
Are your sources churning out GW anymore?

Thinking of suspending the 1g of GW I have in just straight vodka this time.

Vodka and ora-sweet/plus reacted poorly last time when I tried to suspend MK. Made globs of white that didn't really settle in the vial, just floated. Looked like jizz lol

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>>39714990

Sorry wrong pic

>>39714775
Oh nah VG is it can be a tricky muscle to find. Especially if you're 12-14%+

Porn is going well. I signed a contract recently so I get a decent amount of $$ guaranteed.
>>39714947
You'd be surprised.

>>39714897
I'm not baiting. He can get me it and I wouldn't mind just trying it once.

>>39715051
wat

even if you are obese you should be able to feel the 3 land marks, no? the top of the femur, and the two spots on your hip bones. even though i can clearly see the muscle now i still do it that way out of habit, because i used to have to do it that way, since i had literally 0 muscle mass when i hopped on test and couldn't see it visually(cuz was low test)

>>39711487
What the fuck.

>>39715051
Don't you also have like three jobs? What are they and how do you handle them on top of porn??
I can barely manage two jobs fuck that noise

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>>39714990
No GW =( still researching other options.
>>39715051
I will text you.

>>39711487
that fucking thread

that is fucking eerie

>>39715112
>Halotestin
>twice as liver toxic as methyl tren
>five times as liver toxic as anadrol
>10 times as liver toxic as any other oral.

why

>>39715317
Porn isn't really a full time 9-5 thing.

>>39715617
you know adrol is one of the very least hepatoxic, right?

just stop

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>>39715734
https://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/ranking-orals-liver-toxicity-183058.html

http://www.steroidabuse.com/Profiles/anadrol.html

http://forums.steroid.com/educational-threads/505283-ultimate-liver-thread-info-orals-oral-toxicity.html

>>39715769
lol

>>39715734
>17aa compound that you need to take in dosages 5 to 15 times larger than other 17aa compounds
>very least hepatotoxic
just imagine that there's a reaction image linked to this post

>>39715769
>https://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/ranking-orals-liver-toxicity-183058.html
broscience ((this means no scientific studies took place to reach this conclusion))

http://www.steroidabuse.com/Profiles/anadrol.html
more of the same, only better yet, infused with anti-steroid use propaganda to subtly demonize the substances while trying to maintain a seemingly objective take to comfort the reader, else it'd be written off as a blatantly biased source (as it should)

http://forums.steroid.com/educational-threads/505283-ultimate-liver-thread-info-orals-oral-toxicity.html

you serious?

>>39715891
samefag and/or fearmongering parrot

jesus fuck these generals lately

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>>39714716
recommend you guys reading this book

I thought I hated women before but now I don't think I'll ever get married or have children, or if I do, it certainly will not be a monogamous relationship

Basically evolutionary psychology on why women are cheating sloots,

Did you guy know women when trying to conceive with a lover over a period of time, are less likely to have sex when ovulating with her lover, but is more likely to cheat when she is, and her body is more likely to conceive and accept the sperm from the rando dude?

The farther I get into this, and the more i learn about how women have evolved, the more and more I'm realizing, despite women thinking they want to be romantic monogamous wives, they're almost physically incapable of being loyal, their bodies and minds have evolved over millions of years to urge and prime them to cheat, they almost insist upon it, despite what they're conscious mind may think it wants.

I mean fuck, I guess i can't really "hate" all women, just because the way they are isn't catered to me, i mean they're born that way they cant help it, but fuck it's like literally a redpill, any dreams of monogamy you may have ever had from all the childhood disney stories are shattered. Near fucking impossible. 99% of women cheat.

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>>39716216
>dreams of mongomoy

That's where you fucked up son. I dream of a society of attractive people who just fuck each other day and night doing whatever they please as long as it doesn't harm anyone else and living happy, successful, albeit short lives.

Monogamy should be the kind of thing you do when you settle down and are tired of it all and get it out of your system.

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>>39716216
>>39716305
But the clap and the herps!

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The fuck is with all this red pill bullshit that's spouted so frequently on here? This place used to be fun now it's turning into a refuge for people who leave /r9k/ and bring their cancerous ideologies here. I won't be leaving but it's rather disheartening to see the deterioration of what used to be a pretty good and supportive community.

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>>39716305
i know breh
doesn't help that all of society nowadays likes to pretend monogamy works perfectly fine, and we're all meant to find our perfect soul mate, and they instill that in our brains from child via disney and all fucking kinds of romance stories

the older i've gotten the more and more ive suspected it to be a crock of shit, then i fell in love for the first time and genuinely thought it might be possible till sweet reality bursted my bubble, then I was all
"geez, idk it seems like it would be pretty rare for monogamy to work, maybe theres some hope if you're lucky"

but now i've lost all hope 100%. Meh, it's for the best, but its going to make having kids like ive always wanted a pain in the ass. I wont be in a monogamous relationship, but i also wont want to have kids with some chick in an open relationship, but i suppose thats my only choice, so then i have to go through all the trouble of getting a paternity test because I most motherfucking certainly absolutely refuse to take care of or pay for another mans child like a cuck, and with how women work, it likely wouldn't be mine
>Monogamy should be the kind of thing you do when you settle down and are tired of it all and get it out of your system.
Nah fuck that, will NEVER settle down, if i get tired of it all I will die peacefully alone, much rather that then subject myself to the drama and extremely high likelihood of getting cheated on

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>>39716428
I'm talking about evolutionary psychology and science m8. call it cancerous bullshit and be blissfully ignorant all you want, but its how women work.

I will say I agree that its cancerous though to call it "redpill" and put a negative connotation on it I suppose, you can bitch and complain about it all you want but it won't change anything, suppose the best we can do is accept it for what it is, and find beauty in the chaos

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>>39716403
Can be medicated to the point of a non issue and most can quite frankly be eradicated in one generation if we had proper sex ed, identification, and government programs.

>>39716431
Gotta remember not everyone thinks the same way, I just think the social stigma should be totally opposite how it is though. Boyfriends and girlfriends encouraging mongomoy and exclusivity when eye candy, temptation, and fun times are everywhere around you. Seems like torture to me.

Mongomoy is incentiviesd monetarily, societally, and religiously. It's just a big sham designed to make you think a certain unnatural way.

Also, don't pretend like women are the only ones who cheat or want to be with multiple partners lol. I might not have cheated on any of my partners but I sure as fuck have been with more than 1 or 2 at a time.

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>99.99% of women are unable and unsuitable for monogamy so I've abandoned the idea entirely

lol

Anyways,

>keep noticing new veins once every week or two
>have a chest vein, but only when pumped
>little veins near cartoid artery when pumped on neck
>today, went for a swim (rest day), did wrist roller
>found this little anemic baby vein on my calves
>grinning like a retard, so happy

There truly is no better feeling in life than discovering new veins.

I am so attached to them. Like my children. One day I hope I look like a human dick.

I've made money, done drugs, had women. Nothing compares to that new vein feeling. Not even close.

Also,

>walking out of gym
>cute 17-16 year old lolli sees my retard grin
>smiles at me
>I say Hi
>she actually gives me her number

M-maybe that .01% guys?

Feeling so fucking happy today! NEW VEIN.

GONNA START NAMING MY VEINS.

I FEEL BAD FOR ALL YOU SHREDDED GUYS, NEVER GONNA FIND A NEW VEIN IN YOUR LIFE!

Fucking also,

>Took Mast's advice on clean eating
>Eat no salt
>that's why I can see this wonderful lovely veins

THANK YOU BASED MAST.

FUCKING 11/10 DAY TODAY

>>39716568
why dont you start roids already

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>>39716498
i know, i know. it's theoretically *possible* to find a loyal girl, just like it's possible to win the lottery, pretttyyy good chance neither of those is happening tho lol
Yeah, you're right though guys definitely cheat, likely for similar reasons and whatnot, and probably just as often assuming they're of any decent value and have options, I actually had a big paradigm shift about this earlier reading it.

It was talking about a group of women that go out for "girls night", and despite most of them having husbands/bfs, when one goes home with another guy, the rest kind of just look the other way in an unspoken sisterly complicity.

i was kind of irritated then it hit me, guys do that shit all the time. You know, the unspoken bro code, if your boy cheats on his gf, you don't say shit. i've been cheated on a few times, ive cheated once before, and ive looked the other way for bros before, so i fully understand all of the perspectives, so i guess i get no right to be hypocritical.

You got the right idea in just framing it as monogamy is shit

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>>39716646

>telling fat fucking dyels that are lifting for 3 months to use gear

>>39716671

> it's theoretically *possible* to find a loyal girl, just like it's possible to win the lottery, pretttyyy good chance neither of those is happening tho lol

BAD ATTITUDE.

SOMEONE THROWS YOU IN A FIELD OF SHIT WITH A DIAMOND HIDDEN IN THERE, YOU GONNA LOOK FOR THE DIAMOND, OR WHINE ABOUT THE SHIT?

>>39716455
Believes evo psych but can't understand gender based IQ differences. They are one in the same mate.

reminder

http://www.strawpoll.me/11887173

>>39716568
kek i miss this feel, i remember my first calf veins and mires, should be back on the gains train in 2 months after being off and not even lifting for a year

I'm more hyped for the girlies than anything, I got all kinds of mires I didn't act upon due to having a gf when on tren, which im sure you guys know takes some real self control when you're a walking fucking boner, looks wise and mood wise, lel i remember my mouth salivating at even the high test chubby thick girls, psh when I saw 16 year old in leggings with her pussy showing in front of me on a stairmaster I about fucking came just looking, my mind was full on rape mode

>>39716783

>mind was on full rape mode

Man I started no fap, and yeah, you get there after 3 days. You straight up want to rape everything you fucking see, because you're so repressed from not cumming.

It's probably not the same as tren, but if you're not on fucking tren, well, man, it's better than nothing?

I actually stopped using OkCupid, just because I like this repressed 'wanna rape everything I see' feeling so much.

(Sorry ESTP- I'm still saved the revisions, I will use them when I get back on it! Wasn't wasted time! )

That feeling is better than sex desu, but I keep shitposting about

>muh kids
>muh family

And I can't exactly do that without busting a nut

tl;dr: no fap gud

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>>39716717
never said i couldn't understand it, i simply asked for sauce on it, and when given I accepted that it was true, though it still didn't change anything because it still wouldnt change the fact that thanks to evolution, either gender is going to look for the best traits and genes to pass on, or that genetic mutations happen in both sexes and until someone proves me wrong I will continue believing that

>>39716074
>that retard who doesn't know what 17aa compounds are
>that retard who believe orals don't harm the liver or something equally retarded

>>39716809
I heard that breh I just broke a 2 month streak, not quite as rapey as tren, considering i felt like this with fapping every day and having a gf, but close for sure, now i cant even imagine nofap on tren though, you might actually rape someone lel

I've definitely noticed nofap being a godsend for fucking bitches though, they can sense that masculinity at "hi"

Been lifting on and off for a couple years, tired of gaining small gradual gains then losing them, then repeat. Decided fuck it... can someone link me to a faq or beginner's guide?

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>>39717022
sent ;)

>>39717022
>been lifting on and off for a couple years, tired of gaining small gradual gains then losing them

the same thing will happen when you roid and then come off retard

>>39717052
>>>>>>>>>>>>come off

>>39716818
>that retard with no reading comprehension

>>39717052

What I meant was, seeing better/bigger gains would be more of a motivation to keep lifting then the slow natty process I've been doing.

What the fuck does it mean when a chick I haven't seen for months suddenly starts snapping and interacting with me more via social media in general? We don't even live anywhere near each other.

Only thing that's changed is the holidays are around the corner, my face is a little leaner, and I've talked about having some romantic options in a group chat we are both in.

>>39717087
it means you want us to tell you she's into you

but she's not

>>39717090
I love you, because that's exactly what I need to hear.

>>39717087
she wants attention

>>39717075
>>39717022

negative mirrin attitude

Is that possible? A negative mire? You got one


>>39717098

that's horseshit m8

with that attitude she won't want you for sure

no woman wants a man that thinks he isn't good enough for her or she doesn't want him

just assume she wants you.

why else is she snapping you?

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>>39717022
http://pastebin.com/bkXs0khR

fucko off o bro yo

been taking superdrol for a bit over a week now at TRT level test and now suddenly im experiencing prostate problems

my stream is weak when pissing, cant get all out and when im lying down i feel like i need to piss badly so i cant fucking sleep for shit and ive been to the toilet 2-3 times an hour for past 8 hours

the fuck i do, i stopped taking sdrol already

>>39716216
But you talk like this about chicks but at the same time guys will do the same thing. I'm a guy and think the same way as the women do. We're no more loyal than them so don't delude yourself.

>>39717087
good chance she is into you, preselection by other girls is a game changer. Nothing gets a bitch wetter for you than knowing she has competition and you showing your value because you have options.

But if you dont live anywhere near eachother yeah she prob just wants attention, but if she ever visits anywhere near you or anything she may be down to fuck

anyway, story about preselection
>be llong time ago before i had game
>meet asian girl A, just got out of breakup, so fucked up mentally
>latch onto her, become clingy, wait too long to make a move and try to kiss her, tell her i like and stupid shit (kek so beta)
>shes not having that shit one bit, for obvious reasons is not attracted to me at all, kept me around for attention
>go to rave on molly and acid with her, all of a sudden i have game, talking to every girl in venue
>come across another asian girl, this one WAYYYYY hotter, ill call her J somehow i actually have game for the first time in my life, conversation never dull, hold her hands up interlocking fingers, dance with her, feel up her ass, etc
>keep talking to her all night
>its closing time, A sees me flirting with her holding hands, dancing etc, yells at me it's time to go, we're riding together
>'yeah one second'
>continue gaming her
>A: "come on lets go!"
>i look back and see A kind of pissed, distracted by hotter girl and didn't think much of it, thought she was just impatient
>"alright"
>fucked up and horny and I can tell shes on so I keep talking anyway
>A: "NOVA COME ON OR WERE LEAVING WITHOUT YOU"
>finally leave, kiss J, after getting her #, turns out her bf was a few feet away too kek
>A glares at me pissed as fuck
>go back to As dorm after
>changes bras and gets in my face acting super interested suddenly
>go for kiss
>end up fucking her when normally never would have had the chance

>>39717279
How much water were you drinking daily. I had that problem and it was cause I was an idiot and didn't drink the recommended 2 gal / day

>>39717505
how would lack of water cause this kind of problem?
definitely havent drank 2 gallons especially past few days as ive been out a lot

>>39717555
because sdrol dries / dehydrates you the fuck out did you even look up / study the drug before you took it???

>>39717600
does dehydration really cause prostate enlargement kind of issues?
i srsly feel like im gonna piss my pants anytime im lying down, standing/sitting im fine and when I go to the toilet I have trouble starting and the stream is really thin and cant get all out.

also other than that i dont feel dehydrated, i regularly drink ~2-3 liters of liquids

>>39713706
Alex this is obviously you faggot

>>39717644

Got saw palmetto?

God is there anything worse than natties shitting up the fraud threads with their garbage physiques and then being that retarded to think that people care about their worthless opinions.

Looking at you Alex, don't know why that's even your trip. Should be Alexis with those child bearing hips and all that fat sitting on you.

>>39718142

Hi alex

The nut I just left in my fwb was legendary.

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>>39718555
RIP in peace.

>>39718595
>she leaves her birth control out in the open
>takes it right after sex
>hates children
>can lick my balls while my dick's down her throat

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>>39718607
Damn, I need a fwb.

>>39718607
Ask her about a devil's threeway with your /fit/ bros

>>39717644

Ever had issues with your kidneys before?

How long till I start feelin something? Been running 500mg test E/week for 4 weeks now. Feel much better in the gym and getting good recovery, but not feeling too much a strength gain.

>>39717644
Guess you should drink more like the other guy said but I am not familiar with superdrol and its effects so I can't really give advice on that. However if you experience prostate related issues yohimbine hcl might give some temporary relief. (Though its mostly an Alfa2 receptor blocker it also has some affinity for Alfa 1 receptors which are located in the smooth muscles of the inner prostate.) if you happen.to have that laying around.. But I wouldn't go through the trouble of ordering it just for this. Instead stop the sdrol or lower the dosage and drink more and see if your problems subside.

>>39718777
>How long till I start feeling something
>Feel much better

>>39718777

You'll need to work for that part. You'll see it happen when you start pushing yourself.

>>39718759
none whatsoever

>just want to go to the gym before work
>feel motivated n' shit
>get to car
>entire thing is coated in ice, so is parking lot in complex
>fucking retards who own the place plowed it and didn't put any salt down
>freezing rain all last night on top of this
>can't even get out of my parking slow since it's on a slope and car is rear wheel
>have to wait for ice to melt before I can go to gym
>already took my adrol PWO

GOD ITS TOO EARLY TO WANT TO FUCKING MURDER ANYONE I COME INTO CONTACT WITH

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>39719439
Pop a halotestin cap to calm down

>>39719514
cheque drops are my sedative

going to rheumatologist in 2 hours brehs

>just did the world of warcraft winter event quest on 16 different characters trying to get the weapon illusions to drop
>realize i was doing the wrong fucking quest
reeeeeee

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>>39719561
16 fully leveled chars? mirin beta life

>always wondered who this trip is
>see his walls of r9k tier text ranting about woman

hi autist

>>39719600
no only above level 80 is required for the quest. i did it on 9 chars above 100 (all of which i rerolled after legion on a new server), 7 of which i think are max level. then a bunch of random characters i had from previous expansions

>>39719606
>>39719561
buy my account

swift zulian tigre + shitton of other unobtainables and RARE GOODS

110 rogue/102 warrior and misc characters

I thought dnp was a meme but here i am eating whatever i want and shredding bodyfat like no tomorrow. Eating cookies, cakes, milkshakes... only issue is the carb overheating but its so cold where i live it doesnt matter, it just makes me god mode while everyone else is layed in sweaters.
Thanks for memeing it so i would try it lol pretty awesome. Only thing i dont like is bloody shits and yellow cum.
Not too bad.

>>39719617
Now you should try methyltrienolone

>>39719617

Shitting blood is a little concerning. You're probably fine though.

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>>39719615
>rogue
no wonder you are selling it

>>39719630
actually I didn't main rogue until this expac

leveled that char to 110, geared up for raids, quit because I realized the game is still shit and has no appeal to me anymore

>>39719628
I think its just the body heat and sweating aggravating my hemorrhoids. Especially feel it when i run.

>>39719642
Should play vanilla server. Nostalrius relaunches in a few hours.

>>39719642
There is no way you are catalyst from reddit right

>>39719676
wait what.
i thought they were ass fucked by blizzord?
like really hard?

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>>39719676
that still exists ?

what was the player count from before it closed ?

>>39719696
afaik 250k.

they were really popular just 1 year ago or something like that.
and then got assfucked hard by blizzord.

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>>39719709
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzPpWInAiOg

geez talk about server overload

im surprised blizzard didnt just merge there service with theirs and offered it at a discount rate.

but you gotta sell those expansions some how.

>>39719679
no you dolt its CP

>>39719676
>>39719696
>>39719686
Blizzard shut them down but they privately shared the source for their server with another group

so basically they're fucking idiots for not making it open source and it's pointless for starting another character on that shit server, because blizzard will shut down the new ownership and fuck everyone over again

until it goes absolutely 100% public and people start putting together so many that blizzard stops getting a fuck it's worthless

>>39719676
nope fuck that shit. it's not the fresh server

0.22 filters, PES, PVDF, Nylon, etc?

Pre sterilised vials or vial crimping kit?

>>39719992
Vial crimping kit because trusting others with pre-sterilization unless it's coming from a verified lab facility is fucking retarded

PVDF filters, 0.22 micron. PES/Nylon degrade quickly and are shit at filtration anyway

>>39720000
Im seeing another option just now - PTFE, still PVDF?

I can get a mini oven type thing for sterilising my vials (Id likely spray them in high concentrated ethanol+isopropyl mix since thats what I have) and bake them at temp.

What about the stoppers? Safe to bake?

Then I guess sterilising some lab tongs and putt the stoppers in the vials as soon as I open the oven door?

How many mls can you push through a single filter generally? Im guessing this increases if you pre-filter/double filter the oil into a non-sterile container, then draw and inject via fresh filter into sterile vials?

>>39720027
Still PVDF over PTFE, PTFE is just meme repackaged PES

>mini oven type thing
buy a pressure cooker if you don't already have one, and some autoclave bags (not a full autoclave system, just the baggies) and use the pressure cooker as an improvised autoclave.

Basically
>gross contaminate wash of vials, stoppers, caps, all equipment as well
>rinse clean
>70% isoproply alcohol wash
use 70% rather than 90+%, actually more effective for sterilization. If you have 90% just dilute it with some water
>rinse again with sterile water
>bake in oven
bake the glass at higher temp on its own, bake the stoppers, caps, any plastic at lower temp. It won't melt at ~225*F
>move everything after baking into autoclave bags
>pressure cook
>leave everything in baggies until it's needed

if you're just using a syringe filter, buy pre-sterilized vials from a verified source for them. Not worth doing all that shit if you're doing small quantities.

a single syringe filter will take ~80-100mL of liquid, I usually do about 80 then move on to another one because they're cheap

syringe filtering sucks ass though, get a caulk gun and use it to apply even pressure to the syringe and make the filtering process less painful for you

double filtering is always good but if you're going to do that then FUCK using syringe filters

oh and tong's aren't necessary, just use sterile lab gloves and handle it yourself

>>39720070
Thanks, saved.

I think mine is a mix of a bit over 70% ethanol+isopropyl, got it from a pharmacy most of its in moon runes.

Well I plan on selling off my excess, so I'd like to do it to a high standard since its not just for me.

At which point do you cap the vials after pressure cooking? You keep the bag sealed and push them in through the outside of the bag? (not putting your hands inside the bag or opening it)

>>39720126
cap the vials as you fill them, you can handle the stoppers no problem with sterile gloves

if you're doing large quantities get a bottle top dispenser to make this quicker and easier, dispense, plug with septum, cap, repeat

for added safety if you want look into building a laminar flow hood, but at the very least do this all in an environment without any airflow whatsoever

>>39720141
Ah I was under the impression you cap the vials with the stoppers soon as sterilisation is finished, and inject through the stopper the oil at a later date then crimp the seal on.

is it a good idea to start my first cycle with only low dose (100-300mg) test enan wk?

>>39720165
if you're using syringe filters that's probably preferable and would work just fine

>>39720265
Some people run low doses their first time.

I probably wouldn't run anything less then 250, unless you think you're low test and are using it for TRT.

>>39720265
100mg is a bit pointless unless youre going to stack something else anabolic on top of it. If I was going to go that low I would probably use LGD, as it suppresses shbg and will effectively make it like you were taking a higher amount of test on top of its own benefits.

200-300mg can be worthwhile.

Wtf my blood pressure is 88/60 on 250 test

Beast

>>39720411
Mine skyrocketed due to asin on pinning days.. ED asin or no asin its much more normal ree

>>39720411
I need a legal trenbolone prescription to raise my blood pressure to the normal range

Help

>>39720432
im pretty sure all the fat that you just lost from DNP correlated towards your lowered blood pressure.

just bulk up some muscle and your body will be forced to produce enough blood to feed the new cells being made anyways.

>>39720265
anything below 200 is not worth it for a cycle

fine if you're already planning on cruising, otherwise don't bother

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWnq4XX9YIw

any other faggots got some good slice of life degeneracy shows worthy of watching?

ive watched seasons 1-4 and enjoyed it but i need something fresh.

inb4 F.R.I.E.N.D.S

>>39720428
Lel I am never going above 250 test so I don't need ai

>be at rheumatologist
>she orders more bloodwork (when my retard ass mother thought she got everything and that I didn't need to come here "trust me I'm a superstar on this")
>she says I need cat scans of my glands if the bloods come back negative
>the second she leaves the room ny retarded ass mother says "you just arent gonna stop until you destroy your body"

Senpai. This is my second cycle. My first cycle I ran 500 test and anavar with 1mg adex eod.

This time I am running 400 test and 600 eq. I'm taking 1mg adex per week (or .5 on injection days). Few days ago my nips felt super sensitive and I feel pea sized lumps under my nips. What do I do? I took 20mg nolvadex and an extra .25 mg adex a few days ago and the sensitivity seems to gone down a bit.

Reason my adex is low is because my e2 was 0 when I got blood work done when I was on a cruise if 1mg adex and 200 test

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>>39720582

But your brother destroying his body under her supervision is fine right?

Anyways glands, I thought of you when I saw this post.

Guy in OP photo at '19%' is 30-35% bf% by the way.

>see this post
>huge desire to talk shit
>remember I'm too dyel to do so

REEE. ONE DAY.

>>39720582
wtf fuck is wrong with specialists thinking that they know everything about everything when other specialists exist. and why do they think that there just as good as general doctors?

fucking hell man

>>39720600
all of this is so fucking retarded

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>>39720601
>>39720582


oops glands, here's the 19% bf specimen

Asthetic! Healthy! 19%! Thin!

Remember that v taper is for skeletons! This is peak performance!