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newfags GTFO, NO SOURCES IN THREAD

http://steroidcalc.com/
http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
http://www.anabolicsteroids.net/post-cycle-therapy.php
http://www.postcycletherapy.net/#forward
https://www.steroid.com/post-cycle-therapy.php
http://www.anabolic-bible.org/ShowPage.aspx?callpage=Synthetic_Development
http://www.anabolicandrogenicresearch.com/pro-hormone-compound-info.html
http://mindandmuscle.net/articles/old-prohormones-vs-new-prohormones/
http://www.steroidology.com/
http://www.genome.jp/kegg-bin/show_pathway?sur00100
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycloartenol
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12519197
http://forums.steroid.com/supplements/100603-all-info-prohormones-youll-ever-need.html
https://tudorbompainstitute.wordpress.com/2013/03/06/vitamin-d-the-anabolic-switch
http://forums.steroid.com/educational-threads/309685-understanding-esters-active-life-half-life.html
http://suppversity.blogspot.com
http://www.anabolic-bible.org/ShowPage.aspx?callpage=Synthetic_Development
http://blog.insidetracker.com/can-vitamin-d-restore-low-testosterone-levels
http://www.powerliftingtowin.com/powerlifting-programs/

also cleaned up links anything i need to add for newbees ?

>see above
>MFW yes

>>39108579
serious question, have you ever used an injectable steroid in your life?

because everything you say is riddled with inconsistencies and nonsense

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>>39108528
eh I mean I'd try to argue it based on minute ideological differences and my ideas of the treatment of other races, namely that I don't blindly hate them (I just talk like that because hatred is summarily easier than explaining this ideology every time it's inquired about) but I hate the idea of mixing any race, geographically and through offspring

but generally yeah it's a fair cop

>tfw just finished writing a paper over immigration
>6 page requirement
>I've written 22

well

>>39108528
You messed up jerry
>Jerry
>literally boss life

>masT
>jealous of Jerry's boss life

>>39108625
excluding superdrol i have taken 350mg of test for 8 weeks once

yes im inconsistent and yes i need to learn but why learn from 5-10 year old forums when i can learn from here from active users.

so sorry for injecting my self here with minimal knowledge i will hold back my autsim from now on

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>>39108649
there was only one who could live the true boss lyfe

never forget

>>39108662
How do I tell if Im gamma or beta?

I want things from the social hierarchy such as pussy and a base level of social interaction, but I also percieve myself as someone who has values and desires that are not even close to being in line with the social norm.

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>>39108662
everybody on 4chan is either y+ or w- no exceptions

>>39108705
I'd argue more for d+ over y+ by the majority, but y+ still holds a presence

>>39108704
negative or positive?

>>39108662
Harvey "gay4pay" Denthead

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Where I can buy high IQ monkey who have been especially trained for pinning humans glutes

Is bimbo here?

>>39108725
I suppose there's no way to distinguish between gamma+ and gamma- over the internet or really even internally, since the negative will percieve and portray himself as the positive.

But if Im just a beta then Im at least B+ cause I definitely respect people with more skill/ambition than myself, and actively try and eliminate all crab-in-a-bucket mentality.

Dont personally see myself as the two lowest tiers (who would) and I justify that with personal ambition.

You shouldn't know where you exist on that chart because that chart has no basis in reality.

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>>39108757
>high IQ monkey especially trained for pinning humans glutes

I think you're looking for ESTP, not bimbo

>>39108764
I'd like to one day achieve y+ status, but in reality no idea where I'd fall

unrelated

>tfw taking nightly var dose before sleepy times and get yummy strawberry burbs from the capsule flavoring

>>39108780
Woof, doggo. I know things.

>>39108660
just dont be such a sperg, no big deal

>>39107879
yeah you right

Look at me justifying my shitty relationships kek

>>39107909
ok fine, shit.

>>39108123
its more than that. With great pussy comes intense feelys. Its not just the vagina. It might be at first but it gets complicated. Hard to explain, really.

I dont recommend a relationship like that but I get why it happens.

>>39108468
Ive always done flat but people do decline too. Make sure you have good shoulder flexibility tho m8.

Definitely former alpha negative... (see previous posts on sex). I'd like to think I'm more alpha positive these days but fall back into old habits sometimes.

The rest of those descriptions disgust me tbqh. Ambition is life for me.

what happened to capitalist?

>>39108726
>who's JM?
you mean Dent?

>>39108796
forgot to quote >>39108662

>>39108776
It's pretty broadly defined but I do think it points out general trends of human behavior/personality quite well.

It could also be a useful tool for.self-reflection if youre inclined.

>>39108780
Wouldn't gamma+ just be a state of mind? Not.everyone can be Socrates, but you can do your best at self actualisation.

>>39108804
He's banned.

>>39108796
I'm glad we can share intense pussy stories. The ride never ends with it.

>>39108815
constant shilling of the memek 677?

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>>39108810
probably, but that state of mind reflects on how you're interpreted as well

although being self-aware of that interpretation kinda ruins the point of it

>>39108808
I feel the same to an extent, not in terms of classification but ambition

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So I finally bought meme-powder cause of pic related.

What's the best way to eat this stuff? Tried to mix it in a glass of milk and it didn't really work out, didn't mix at all really. Just now tried mixing with yoghurt and it's like an awful tasting soft-serve consistency now.

So wtf how am I supposed to eat this.

>>39108975
Maybe it disolves in hot water.

>>39108975
lecithin is a good emulsifier use 5grams of it when mixed.

>>39109022
Already has lecithin in it

Any good examples of strongman cycles?

>>39109066
You can only speculate but test, eq, deca, adrol, gh.

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>>39109080
Tren too

>>39109097
I wouldn't as as a strongmen but I've seen it in a few blasts.

>>39109107
Depends if you're trying to fit into a weight class, as well as the events.

Probably good for body composition and strength while training, and you can just drop it a few weeks before comp to get the cardio back on par.

For the Arnold there's usually no speed events so it's potentially good there as well, if tren has an antigravity effect for you.

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>>39109080
Dbol x infinity

>>39109107
with loaded carriers being your hardest form of cardio i do wonder why strongmen dont do rucks with 100+lbs for miles it'd be a great way to improve your endruance even if it is relatively light in comparison to all of your lifts

>>39108975
Cap it

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>TFW kind of fat still but source I've been eyeing has an amazing sale and I really want to stock up a year's worth

I'm like 25% bf. How bad would it be to go with 250mg and cut hard before a proper blast?

I dont wanna be a nattycuck no-mo.

I want to run 250mg/wk test for 36weeks.

>>39109317
Grab some dnp, and some pharma asin.

Run 250mg/week and psmf+dnp until youre 15% or less. Then blast away.

>>39109357
I'm scare of dnp.

Can I just cruise 250mg test until I'm ready for a blast?

>>39109357
Do this.

>>39109357
>15% or less

more like 12% or less at most preferable 10%

15% is too high

>>39109374
why not run Eq or primo with test if you dont want to fuck around with dnp..

>>39109398
Why is it too high?

What will happen to me?
I just want to cruise forever because I'm low test.

>>39109405
Because I'm a beginner who's lifted for a few months on and off and I'm low test

Has anyone ever had issues with one shoulder getting tendonitis from bench but the other is fine?
Ive isolated the issue as supraspinatis, but I have no idea why I'm only getting impingement on one side.

If I hold both arms out straight or to my sides I have more internal ROM on my right side, so I dont think it's ROM. Today I did a bunch of really slow reps at around 60% and what I think is happening is sometimes my right shoulder rolls forward on the descent. But I have no idea why it's doing this or how to go about fixing it so I can bench with decent intesity and volume.

Watching and reading all the bench guides I can't figure out what may be going wrong, and everyone Ive asked in person says my bench doesn't have anything glaringly wrong with it.

If anyone has dealt with similar in the past please share. Benching is one of my favorites but I feel like I could really hurt my shoulder if I don't fix this.

Fucking annoying I can OHP fine but bench fucks me up. Gonna be cannonball delts with a flat chest.

>>39109428
I know that feel bro.

I got retarded pain in front part of my right shoulder which I guess is supraspinatus too. My shoulder kinda shifts if I put my hand over it and simulate lateral raises or bench press. Shit's fucked.

>>39109422
Youve posted before about this haven't you.

Bro you cant claim low test if youre a fatass, adipose tissue aromatizes like crazy.

>>39109428
Stop flat bb benching; it's a strength measurement tool not a growth tool.

>>39109398
he could eat 3 cans of tuna everyday for a few months and get down to that percentage while doing light cardio(did it for 2 weeks straight and lost 10lbs), even if he loses muscle its more likely that hell lose alot more fat on top of it.

>>39109422
your low test becuase your fat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromatase
cutting out the estrogen is realy the only way, if you can get your hands on real anti AI and Anti E then you'd lose more wheight with a extreme cut like i suggested but once again if you dont have access to it then just use 500mg-1gram of DIM and you'd get some good benefits from it

but a extreme cut is realy best for 2 weeks at and a 1-2 week break inbetween so you can eat a little more and workout a little, like adding 2 cups of cooked rice on top of each meal is how much more id suggest

Do you guys do an inverted diet after a dnp Psmf cut? If yes how much more at what speed?
I am at 1200kcal atm and my TDEE is about 3,2-3,5k
Starting at 2,0 to 4k in 4 weeks a good plan or not?

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>>39109452
>>39109473
So is it possible my fat is causing the low test?

I honestly have every low test symptom since ever and I got bloodwork done.

I've been cutting on like 800cal deficit but all that's really happened is feeling tired as fuck and losing strength. Im just tired of this

I want to look like a respectable man

I can't even grow facial hair!

My dick is fucking limp when I'm trying to jack off. Im a kissless virgin

I just want to fix this guys. And /fraud/ is what I think will do it

>>39109509
You need to reevaluate your entire life.

>>39109465
But Bimbo it's fun and gives me huge chest pump and doms. I don't wanna give it up.

>>39109521
Then fuck your shoulder up. That's all I got.

>>39109509
yeah your BF% should never go above 15% or else your only more likely to only go down hill farther

>>39109532
hence why i droped bench and replaced it with high rep pushups, i was getting to much shoulder pain, but on the plus side for that i acutaly increased my bench press wheight up and now i use it as a tool to see if i need to change up my workouts and pushup variation

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>>39109520
>You need to reevaluate your entire life.

I've tried

I spent highschool playing WoW then dropped out

I lost $5000 of the money my parents gave me buying retarded shit /biz/ trolled me into

I don't even have any friends

Will test fix this? I'm running out of options

>>39109557
Cutting on low test feels impossible

I feel like I'm just losing muscle and getting tired rather than losing fat

>>39109562
Test will fix nothing. Get a hair cut. Buy decent clothes like you'd see a real person wear. And apply to every physical location that exists within 10 miles of you.

>>39109509
>So is it possible my fat is causing the low test?
Not just possible, but likely

>I've been cutting on like 800cal deficit but all that's really happened is feeling tired as fuck and losing strength. Im just tired of this
Cutting sucks, that's why people here do psmf and dnp, yo get it the fuck over with

>I want to look like a respectable man
Then sack up and act like one. Lose the weight will take you a long way.

>I can't even grow facial hair!
Genetics. Jerry was low test and tons of hair with balding. I was 700-800 and have the shittiest facial hair still on 500mg/week.

>My dick is fucking limp when I'm trying to jack off
Probably the natty cut tbH

>Im a kissless virgin
That's more of a personality thing.

>I just want to fix this guys. And /fraud/ is what I think will do it
It is a tool. You still have to get your shit together.

No one is here to baby your ass. Lose the fat before blasting. 250mg/week with psmf and dnp is the fastest way to do that.

>>39109562
Holy shit you need to get your life in order.

Test will not fix all that. It will give you a bit of an energy boost, better workouts, and a hard dick. That's about it.

>>39109532
Nah if it's unilateral that must mean I can fix it somehow.

>>39109572
how much are you cutting and what are the macros? i suggested tuna since its cheap and its more likely to spare your muscles(call me out if its BS).

or you can just eat a dozen whole eggs a day(calorie free non stick spray) and munch on cabbage when your hungery. itll give you enough fat and cholesterol for a boost in test levels and its low calorie enough to where your gonna lose wheight with it.

taking 20,000 IU of vitamin D3 10k for breakfast and 10k for dinner will also help plenty with your mood and should help with your test levels.
http://blog.insidetracker.com/can-vitamin-d-restore-low-testosterone-levels

>>39109562
Go to a local church.

>>39109630
Church is for people like him.

what this mean, my waist circumference is going down but my skinfolds went up 1.5mm or so

this is transitioning from a cut into a bulk and happened over a week or so on tren. is it just that i am retaining more water going from 0 carbs to a few hundred grams a day, or am i gaining fat?

it seems like two contradicting measurements

>>39109634
Chvrches is for people like me.

>>39109640
abdominal skinfolds only, too much of a pain to track more than that for me

>>39109576
My hair is fine but I don't know about clothes when I look like shit - id buy some nice shit but I want to look good first.

Ill apply to jobs soon. I just need a change in my life or something

>>39109582
I guess you're right. How much ai would I need on.250mg test?

I've been considering the galeniko noone method as someone posted here b4

>>39109624
1800 cals and macros I just try to get like 120-150 grams of protein with enough fat

I kind of just eat the shit my parents buy and try to work around it. I'm a neet

>>39109648
Change doesn't just happen. You force it to occur. You're just procrastinating. You do you man, and you'll wake up 55 with the same Fucking issues.

Get a grip dude.

>>39109648
>I'm a neet
theres your fucking problem holy shit go apply for a job at a warehouse so your on your feet all day

>shit my parents buy
and eat tuna cans and rice to lose weight dont over do the rice like no more than a cup of cooked rice per meal. this way when your used to bland food and get the mental strength to deal with it then you'd be better off when you start working since you will have better control of your self as a person

>>39108975
Eat it from a spoon and wash it down.

>>39109634
Nah church sucks too.

They tried putting me around a 30yo hunchback, no misnomer, Quasimodo back and face in full effect. There were plenty of qt's in that church too. My extended family's fucked up, man.

>>39109663
But wont it be like a chain reaction?

>Get high test levels -> work hard in gym --> good body -> motivated to have a life that matches my new body -> Expect higher of myself so I start succeeding in other shit

?

>>39109672
I've been fired from every job I've ever worked.

I can't man

I'm just not made for it.

>>39109672
I try to be a NEET and I can't even do it. I just end up balls deep in my ex and somehow making an extra 1k that month.

I had to forcibly lock myself in my apt this weekend and I still got numbers.

I'm a fucking retard. I think the frog poster has some iq affinity that I don't; he can figure it out, if I can.

>>39109692
>?
No.

>>39109191
Can march with heavy load for quite the distance but when I tried a carry meddley it kicked my ass. It's like it's different kind of endurance.

>>39109648
Get a job where you can potentially make more based on how well you do. Like a server or sales. You dont want to work anywhere were you dont get commission or tips, it's not worth your time.

If you're a good bullshitter when you apply at restaurants just make up previous jobs whereyou were a server. No one actually follows through on background checks. If youre too scared to do that, apply as a busboy or barback. Restaurant jobs are easy to find and easy to do.

>>39109692
Nah it probably won't with that attitude.

>>39109702
You just get used to it after a while.

It became easy when I failed at everything I've ever tried

>>39109689
Elaborate on this. They tried to hook you up or something? I've been to mass plenty and no one has ever asked me to sit anywhere specific.

>>39109720
You're right

I've been considering sales or some server meme job actually. Seems pretty good.

Honestly I'm close to selling drugs or just lying hard to get a good job, might as well

>>39109692
No. that's not even close to what happens. What happens is:
>I look okay but I'm on gear I can do better
>fuck okay I looking like granite but it's just okay shit and I'm on gear
>holy fuck I am a shitty responder
>apparently I'm huge but the girlie has to say I look nice she knows my build is important to me why the fuck don't I respond better to gear
>okay well I lifted for 4 hours today and I worked and I got in cardio so now it's 11pm do I go see the girlie or make dinner I should flake on the girlie tonight to make food for tomorrow fuck
>I still look like shit
>gained another 5lbs and lifts are up so why do I look like shit
>at least the girlie appreciates my body like I can't
>fuck. Steroids.

>>39109702
>Somehow
Yeah you just tripped and ended up sucking a few dicks for cash.

>>39109692
problay becuase your fat, lazy , and what realy gets you fired is when you cant take criticism for doing bad at work

go join the army they'll accept failures like your self but you once again have to get fit and lose fat to do so your out of options realy
>>39109702
i could be a neat if alchol was free flowing but its not rewarding to do jack shit all day when i could be working out and learning a skill on company dime.
>>39109714
not like this will recreate it but you could hold heavy ass medicine balls in both arms next time you ruck, army ruck time is under 3 hours for 12 miles and 50+lbs so you should be able to meet this standard no problem since your fit do it early as shit in the morining like at 5am that way the sun doesnt kill yah. and every two weeks seems to be the standard for people who want to get better at it

>>39109746
Yo I can't help it if studios call me up last minute and are are like you wanna make 1600 bux in a day?

>>39109743
Any pics pre cycle?

>>39109735
My cousin is involved with the women's social groups of her church, I went by their place one weekend and they brought me to a cook-out that the woman was at. They didn't say anything to me, and I didn't really notice anything. I guess they were just hoping we might hit it off or something, but we didn't talk and I never gave her a second glance.

>>39109765
Let's hope not.

>>39109771
Youre being really fucking vague again.

Sounds like you just went to some social gathering and she happened to be there.

>>39109790
That's the plot. You got it.

>>39109790
That's what I thought myself for quite a while, over a year later my aunt tells me about it and how that was pretty much the reason they had the cook-out.

I was pretty shocked that my extended family could even think that was something I'd go for.

>>39109818
They were just thinking of you.

>>39109803
Bimbo are you drunk

>>39109818
Why didn't you just say that first goddamn.

Pics of girl with face blocked out?

Tell the truth, what level of pathetic does your family think you are and why?

My family just thought I was gay for a long time kek. Thank god too, no one ever tried to set me up with an uggo.

>>39109842
Sure, intentions.

Maybe I'm just ungrateful. It wasn't a conscious decision at the time, I just couldn't be attracted to her, especially if we're talking traditional courting and marriage before consummation mess these religious types like.

>>39109877
That's not a bad way to build a bond. I did all that goofy shit without even realizing it, and six months in we took each other's virginity. It was super loving dude. Maybe a deep bond like that is something you need first. Marriage first is intense though.

>>39109754
Been there done that. Then I tried running with 50 kg dumbell first, 60 kg medicine ball second and 100 kg keg third on time. Those 50 seconds got me on the ground breathing. I think you have to train what you want to be good at, agree with ya on that, but marching won't carry too much to strongman is what I'm saying.

>>39109848
>Pics of girl with face blocked out?
Nah, just imagine a 6'6" woman (legit taller than me) with Andre the giant's proportions but more stomach and bigger legs, actual medium hunchback and quasimodo's face.

>what level of pathetic does your family think you are and why?
I'm 28, before a few months ago never had a job (and since fired from the one I had), haven't so much as kissed a woman.

I could keep going, but most here already know the narrative, it's pitiful.

>>39109887
That's cool.

I'm not sure I even care to think about it any more, most times. I'm just done.

>>39109922
>I could keep going, but most here already know the narrative, it's pitiful

No, please go ahead. I like this kind of stuff. Promise no bully or judging. I have fucked my life up as well.

How did you manage to not have a job until 28?

>>39109976
Nah, I'm good.

>>39109983
Cmon man please youve piqued my interest.

How are you getting by without a job?

You don't come across as retarded why dont you do your college and get a cushy office job somewhere?

Just interested in how you have come to be in this situation my man.

I want to go to this Halloween party but I figure I'll see the girlie there and she'll probably fuck someone where I can see just to get at me. The opposite sounds equally as shitty too.

I'm just assuming since this is the biggest party in the scene around here.

>>39110047
Sucks brah.

I think the best option if youre trying to get over her would be to not go. But you know that.

Im sure there's loads of other hween parties.

>>39110064
In this scene here? Sorta, but nothing of this size or quality. I've already got three ladies wanting me to go. That's three different pussies guaranteed in one night, since penetration will be gtg.

>>39110071
Damn Im so lucky to be vanilla.

Don't need a goddamn 'scene' I just hit up a house party or local drinking hole.

Good luck with all that bibs.

>>39110092
I mean I've fucked some normie pussy recently but chicks get weird when you want to leave bruises.

if porn doubles your test by watching it for just a few minutes why can't i just put a tv in front of the squat rack and have big asses getting fucked while i exercise?

>>39110095
Yeah see getting dominant in bed is fun and all but I dont need to leave bruises.

Favorite is fucking while standing they make the best noises then.

>>39110143
Fucking while picking them up, or picking them up and putting them on your shoulders so you can eat pussy is nice too.

bimbo was it you or brick that had all the dnp + psmf experience, I forgot

This show on Netflix "easy" just did an episode on fake lesbians or like being a trendy lesbian as young girl. I didn't know my ex was a stereotype; this episode was about her right down to the characters style, mannerisms, haircut, they even looked similar.

>>39110020
Played video games until 24, lived with family. Started college and started selling droids around the same time, didn't finish college and stopped selling droids shortly before turning 28, had a fast food job for 3 months, got fired drinking on the job.

>>39110151
That's what I meant. Picking them up and letting all their weight fall onto your cock. They never expect it.

Not much of a pussy muncher. There's an occasional slit that looks real tasty but for the most part Im not into it.

>>39110154
Man you are so unlucky to be attracted to that.

>>39110170
Angled bobs, denim jackets, crop tops, and high waisted denim are hot.

I think I just like lesbians dude.

If I take HCG and an aromatase inhibitor like letrozole, along with test, what the fuck can go wrong? Why doesn't everyone do it?

I was doing doggy ones and decided to push her down so she was flat. been fucking like that ever since.

look up prone bone porn best fucking position ever especially if they got booty

>>39110185
cuz they don't want to crash their estrogen

>>39110164
So you still live with family?

Did you drop out or fail out?

What were you doing drinking from a flask or something? Did they smell it on you or did you do stupid shit?

Ive failed out of community college from literally not going to class cause depressed decision making. Currently living in a family member's basement. Saving up money so I can try the college thing again cause labor and restaurant jobs suck.

Did they really nor bother the hell out of you to do something? I got bitched at at 17 for not having a job.

>>39110170
>>39110194
>>39110151

>tfw virgin
>dick is 7 inches long bone pressed but it feels too small to fuck anything and like it wouldn't even reach

>>39110194
Duh

It's like you're a beast in heat rutting your prize. Did this outside once with the ex. Was great pushing her face in the mud, and her stilettos digging into my tris. I'd let head up and she'd just look at me ahegao'd and cross eyed begging for a kiss, mud and drool hanging off her plump lips.

>>39110195
what. Testosterone is converted into estrogen. If testosterone production is good then estrogen levels are good

>>39110201
Live with family, they don't mind, dropped out, blacked out and couldn't do my job.

>>39110202
Bruh Im like 6" at best. If you've seen bimbo's porn he's like 5-6" as well.

No worries pussy is designed to take your dick I promise.

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>>39110201
>>39110222
u guys depressing me

>>39110247
I should post the dick pics my ex took that I swear got me my job at kink. Ty based ex.

>>39110194

I prefer that shit standing up.

I have a sort of clubbing fetish because I go to clubs a lot and like to grind girls asses so when I take them home I'll usually carry that one and slide my dick in from behind and push them up against the wall.

If they're thin I won't even let their feet touch the floor, but usually I got for bigger girls because of dat ass.

>>39110258
kink is the best porn site ever invented there quality is Top

>>39110281
Thanks. I think they do really good work too. I'm excited to see this Halloween special I shot. I might actually watch it.

It had like choreographed fight scenes and everything.

>>39110222
Why did you drop out? Any specific reason?

Blackout drunk on the job lmao do anything funny? At least you weren't shooting up in the bathroom seen a more than one person fired for that. They don't mind if you do coke, but depressants make you bad at doing things so they'll out ya quick.

You don't come off as that depressed on here but you've got that depressed decision making going on for sure.

You got any dreams?

>>39109765
You thinking about leaving humanity behind lotus?

No one could rationally hold it against you.

>>39110254
Lol this nigga can't even handle the descriptions.

>>39110289
Lost interest.

Didn't do anything when I blacked out.

Just want a stable job with decent pay and people to spend time with.

>>39110473
Bro you can't say you lost interest, then say you want a stable job with decent pay. If you want that then you gotta fill out the prerequisites it's only fair.

You alcoholic or was that just a bad day?

>>39108776

the truth

it's like the whole ecto/endo/mesomorph thing. pseudoscience that's been debunked, yet people still cling to it.

it's about as ridiculous as people believing in horoscopes or blood type personality / compatibility stuff, but for some reason they're not seen the same.

>>39110492
Eh, I wasn't majoring in something with much of a job market at an associate degree level. Going back could be an option, no major in mind right now though.

Is there any way to decrease the "roid" look?

After doing a cycle I could spot a fraudster from a mile away. They always have the vascularity, thin skin, fullness, etc.

When I went on it was pretty obvious I was using gear even at 350mg per week. I looked insanely vascular and full.

Is there any way other than using less gear to look less "roided"?

>>39110551
Eat like shit. Eat only tequila and lsd for 2 weeks straight.

>>39110551
Be fat and what bimbo says

>>39110564

What does the lsd do for my physique?

>>39110583
Psychedelics seem like they suck the fullness from me.

>Message this chick that looks like a hot lesbian. Very neat stuff
>"haha I know all about you, don't you know r?"

Cool and this is just okc

>>39110583
makes you not hungry

>>39110597
You probably just don't eat.

>>39110605
I'm hungry af on lsd. Most of my diet is not eating though.

>>39110500
See

>>39108810

>>39110551
What's the point of fucking roiding?

>>39110551
if you don't want to look like you roid, don't roid retard... are you this fucking stupid

>>39110551
Get fat. I look like shit.

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>>39110757
what'd you do this time?

>>39110757
Where do you pin again memelord?
I do hate the pip.

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>>39110782
>>39110775
quad
im too pusy to change sites as im comfy pinning quads but these PIPs make me fucking crippled

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>>39110782
>>39110757
>mfw no pip since switching to sst test

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is it even worth bothering eating post workout if you already had 2 scoops of casein and soymilk just before you worked out?

Seems like it wouldn't do anything really.

>>39110816
Yeah most definitely. Post workout is when you're most in need of nutrients. Your nitrogen balance is fucked. Go eat.

>>39110793
Kek I'm the same.
Fuck jabbing my ass nerve.
How much do you inject, and have you tried working out legs shortly after?

I still get it, sometimes to the point where putting on my sock and shoe is a task because I can't bend my knee.

>>39110797
What's that?

>>39110816
> questioning the value of eating
> making it

>>39110793
I did 2.5cc in my right quad last week and 2.5cc in my left this morning and the PIP is only like 20% of what it was the first week when I only pinned 1.5cc. I could still walk normally last week. Also I take an ibuprofen before working out because its distracting when one side feels different which helps.

>>39110866
You don't split up your test during the week?

750mg all at once sounds bitching.

Not your first cycle?

>>39110866
You shouldn't eat nsaids anywhere near a workout.

>>39110892
What happens?
Also why do roiders favor a low fat diet?
Because lipids and cholesterol are already at risk of being shit due to gear?
I thought eating fat was safer than an overabundance of refined sugars.

>>39110915
for body buildibg purposes fats are unneeded. Sugar is needed to promote a rapid insulin spike, and consuming fats within 3-4 hours of an insulin spike promotes rapid storage. Fatty acids are much more easily shoveled into storage for later in the presence of insulin.

>>39110915
And duh nsaids are anti inflammatory, the entire growth process is an inflammation response. You do the math.

>>39110935
Fuck the window is that big?
I knew I was best to omit fats from my post workout meal composed of simple carbs and protein, but then I usually eat something regular within 2 hours.

So would my best bet be eating my fattiest meal for breakfast?

Today's post workout is 753g of mashed yellow potatoes and 350g of mashed tomato with hot sauce and curry powder.

Plus 50-60g of whey protein.

>>39110889
No I do 1.5cc on Thursday. I have ampules of 1 ml with 200mg EQ and taking 600 a week so I do 400 on Monday and 200 on Thursday.


>>39110892
Why? I didn't know that I thought it can't hurt since its just some pip and not my joints or ligaments that I can potentially damage.

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>>39110939
>>39110935
bimbo coming in with great knowledge once again
>>39110832
yes working out before and run after helps ALOT

>>39110939
Oh that's why... guess I better man up then.
I could still take acetaminophen if the PIP is real bad cause that's not anti inflammatory then tho.

>>39110955
Hey you do what works for you.

>>39110939
But you just did my friendly bear man.
I just figured an anti-inflammatory would do fuck all to prevent the micro tears we get during a workout which promotes growth.

>>39110966
Tylenol is still an anti inflammatory. You're trolling.

Just take a hot bath, smoke a bowl, make your sex kitten work it out.

>>39110889
>>39110956
So test is only .5cc mo+Thu at 250mg/ml. Yes my first cycle and yes I know everyone says run more test but I'm comfy with slow gains and low sides so I'm just gonna stick with this and see what it brings me.

>>39110967
Wasn't arguing with you.
Just surprised.
Potatoes and tomatoes aren't fat so what's the problem?

>>39110972
Yeah it doesn't. The major pathways work is by signaling blood flow elsewhere; there's no throbbing inflammation without blood flow. Guess what blood carries? Nutrients. You've caused micro tears sndveaten, but now there's s highly diminished capacity for nutrient uptake because there's no blood flowing to the inflamed (exercised) regions.

>>39110977
No seriously, not trolling, its not anti inflammatory, just anti pyretic and analgesic. Anyway its happened like 2 or 3 times the past 4 weeks I took the ibuprofen for my workouts and I don't really need to, but I didn't see the harm in it.

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>>39110985
y mean 0.5cc=125x2=250/week?

>fucking up hormones for this

you should take the tip off from people who tell u to run more

>>39111005
250/w puts me well above natty range and I'm running 600 EQ alongside as well. Like I said I don't mind making slow gains and this first cycle is mostly to see how it feels and how I respond, might run higher later on.

>>39110985
That's cruise dose my man.

500mg/week and I have zero sides besides a higher sex drive. You're not gonna get whit for sides from just test.

Testosterone is great, 10/10 hormone. I could understand dipping your toes in first for compounds like deca or tren, but for test it's really unnecessary.

Watching sex like real people emotional sex makes me think of my ex. I have no clue how to get past this.

That shit was my religion.

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>>39111014
just makin' sure senpai

you do understand that roiding isnt all up from gaining? you do realize u're shutting urself+getting other sides with that

yes, its above natty but srsly tho

do w.e the fukka u wanna do tho

>>39110994
Okay so when I take vasodilators or wtv pump inducing preworkouts I'm actually doing more than getting extra energy, that skin stretching pump might actually be conducive to quicker muscle growth?

Cool beans my man.

And I never trained using ibuprofen anyway, just soldier thru the pip.

>>39111038
Maybe not better growth maybe? It does allow for greater bloodflow.

On a 300 test 600 EQ weekly dose, how low do you guys think I can keep my calories while maintaining muscle mass or is this one of this "how long is a piece of string" questions? I've never run EQ before and I can't stand cutting on tren because it fucks my cardio up so wholly.

>>39110994
Thanks for sharing that, it's totally logical but I didn't stop to think about it.

>>39111033
>>39111021
I know thanks for the concern but I'm just gonna roll with this and see how it turns out.

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anyone here have experience coming off after cruising for a year or more?

been running 250 test for a year. no HCG. did a few blasts but now i'm too busy to make the most of it, my cholesterol isn't great and i also want to start thinking about having kids.

i did a couple of basic cycles before and had no problems PCTing, what should i expect this time? what are the chances of making a full recovery?

>>39111046
Of course this is moot for natties.
But nice to know that these supplements might come in handy now that I am enhanced.

>>39111038

NSAIDs are beneficial to muscle growth in a part of the population. Though I believe it's 30+ or 40+ not ye average 20yo roider.

>>39109692
Can confirm the chain reaction worked for me, wasnt easy tho

>>39111076
I used to always eat vasodilators but I'm a pump chaser.

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>>39111084

I thought you were a half asian borderliner chaser?

>>39111076

>enhanced

>>39108528

Why does Bimbo get 6 words. Arguably 7 even.

>>39111033

>do w.e the fukka u wanna do tho

>why did you do that Mr. OP.
>the hacker 4chan told me to do what I wanted to do ociffer.

how do you even notice the 'tripposters'

on my screen its just a light green text that's barely visible

I have NEVER been aware of a tripposter except when they draw attention to themselves, like this thread

>>39111107

You might need a new pair of eyes mate.

>>39111077
I'm 32.
>>39111084
Ever tried preworkouts with yohimbine?

>>39111090
I'm getting there... r-right?

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>>39111107
here this will be so disgusting it will be permanently burned into your gay ass mind

now you will never forget me

>>39111120
>yohimbine

That turns me into Michael J Fox.

>>39111121
annd my trip was off
>>39111123
>trenbolone
that turns me into ">Grotesque swamp monster"

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>>39111126

Might not have been trenbologna desu

>>39111150
it wans't that's what i keep fucking saying but people are like "hur it's the tren"

how would my source replace an entire batch for a fuckload of people if it wasn't completely fake shit

he had experienced users running it at a fucking GRAM and feeling nothing

>>39111123
If I'm using it for fasted cardio at 18mg plus caffeine or wtv it is I'm at danger if I am stupid enough to do any training, but the preworkouts have usually just 3mg per serving so it just gives an edge.

Anyway I used to get it off fitnessone for 12 dollars for 60 caps but that site went exclusive and now since it's illegal here it would cost me 60+ for same amount.

>>39111156
Okay so the point still stands, and now I see why you look like you do; they weren't saying it's "tren" they were saying "stop injecting the oil".

You're a fucking retard. I know my kind.

>>39110258
You people make me upset.

>>39111192
We had a lot of missionary sex.

For choking.

>>39111172
You can get the raw powder pretty cheap at sth like powdercity and cap them yourself.

>>39111121
MASSive chin my man. Must have had crazy test levels as a teen.

>>39111175
>they were saying "stop injecting the oil"

Yep. Not tren, but probably the oil.

>>39111192

How so crusader senpai.

>>39111202
Sex/porn is the biggest vice I have

>tfw dont drink
>don't do drugs
>don't gamble
>don't eat shit food (all the time)
>pray daily

>Get hard at the very sight of tits
>touching a hot girls hand at work gets me hard
>Used to jack off 3 times a day everyday
>Found God
>feel bad

Hey guys the dude I was buying from got arrested for beating the shit out his gf with a goddamn frying pan. now I wont have enough test to finish my cycle.

What the fuck do I do now.

>>39111227
>How so crusader senpai

Sex in God's eyes is meant to be a sacred bond between a man and women, something beautiful to create life. Not something to be filmed and lusted for.

However I'm also the biggest hypocrite on the planet in terms of sex.

>>39111247
You don't really understand God yet

>>39111210
Has to ship from within Canada, and at that point I prefer hcl.

>>39111210
Help me out here. I can't even watch emotional real people sex without thinking of that kind of bond with the girlie, and then I think that bond never existed for her.

I'm getting the shittiest anxieties about seeing her around. Fuck I need to man up, but I need this girl to admit she needs me.

I halfway fantasize about seeing her face if she ever sees me worshipping someone else. I halfway just know I'd drop everything for her again.

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>>39111070
bump

why does cashouts PCT recommend running moderate doses of letro during PCT?

that amount would destroy my sex drive for months

>>39111251
>Seven Deadly Sins
>Lust

Porn is a form of Lust.

Only going to respond once because I don't want another religious shit storn.

>>39111265
Seven deadly sins aren't canon. They were invented by Dante to illustrate a highly theatrical and moderately blasphemous point.

>>39111267
I liked the PS3 game that inspired.
Had demons attacking you with flayed cocks and spooky demon babies and fat asses that would burst and spew maggots.

Good times.

>>39111267
I know they aren't canon. They're still good guidelines in terms of following a godly life.

And it's a compact way of explaining what is sin and what isn't.

>>39111288
Jesus already died for all sins dude. We're good.

>>39111217
actually 299ng/dl at 18

lol

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>>39111294

>>39111261
Aww that sounds bad man.
First of try to accept that shoes gone, find peace with her absence, be thankful for the good times you shared but keep in mind why it didn't work clearly. You really have to find peace with the fact that its over and give up hope and expectations for her returning or something like 'seeing her face when you're with another girl'. It shouldn't matter anymore what she'd think when she saw you with someone else because that really is indicating you haven't moved on yet.
Just take the time to think or maybe even write down the reasons why it didn't work out and why its better like this. Repeat those things to yourself.
Don't try to not think about her, the result will be the opposite. Don't fight it, rather just try to let it go.

It all sounds a bit vague I know but you need something in your mind to click and see why what happened happened and that its fine its in the past now and from there you start building up happiness and affection for others again. Don't try to do it all at once, take your time.

>>39111305
Shoes=she's

>>39111303
It's not. But Jesus isn't really canon either. Not if we're talking Yahweh and the Demiurge and shit.

>>39111305
I mean to be fair she's done this many times, so I have little reason to think this should actually be the end, however you make good points.

The responsible thing would be to move on so that when she does come back I can do the right thing.

>>39111265
Again, you don't really understand God.

I think you will be more satisfied if you really analyze who YOU are in relation to God.

>>39111319
I'm getting baited.

>>39111296
Fucking genetics. That chin is fucking huge, mirin hard.

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hw do i pas drug tst

>>39111319
You could just go on a meditation retreat. Getting more involved with the world of direct experience over the world of memory may do you some good.

>>39111326
I do realize who I am in relation to God. But this /fraud/.

>>39111238
Please help Im gonna run out 6 weeks in and I don't have pct

>>39111357
>buying a cycle without having pct on hand

Seems like you need to beat the shit out of yourself with a frying pan.

Or just try SST

>>39111349
Yeah for sure. This weekends been lame, because of the storm but I'm usually doing everything in my power to stay busy or directly engaging in activity to stay present.

Maybe I'll take a few hours tomorrow to go sit in the rain forest.

>>39111353
From reading what you have written so far, I doubt you have ever truly devoted much effort to self discovery. I mean true self discovery, much deeper than that of personality reflection.

What does it mean to be YOU. What is YOU.

>>39111337
Not really.
Your entire belief system is a Roman meme.

Still better than mudslimes and jews.

>>39111367
Shit posting on fraud about sin.

>>39111367
Sorry I'm not gay or Protestant.

>>39111361
Do one of the 10 day Vipassana retreats, they should be free. Or just look up meditation/Buddhist centers in your area.

You want to form new neural pathways one or.two days wont be enough to cement anything.

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>>39111340
lol you realize i have swollen glands under my chin too right

the circled part is all gland

makes me look like a retard with a double chin

>>39111377
Which is the which of which there is no whicher

>>39111391
Yea.

>>39111385
>That'sthejoke

>>39111397
yea it is a joke

>>39111400
Love you guy. Cracks me up every time you post.

Hope your glands feel better soon.

>>39111370
I like my Roman meme. It's Gods will.

The entirity of Genesis is just a Jewish-Babylonian meme so.

>>39111394
Ok I got a question for you.

If God created everything then who created God?

>>39111410
Wtv helps you stave off the existential dread.

>>39111425
Pussy. The one true savior.

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>>39111418

>>39111418
>Babbys first existential crisis

Google is your friend. I'm trying hard to not religious shit storm this thread.

>>39111439
Too late. Answer the question.

>>39111425
Yay.

>>39111439
Thanks for holding back. We're good. If we wanted religion we'd be at church.

>>39111432
The cavernous depths of pussy only matched by the depths of female callousness.

>>39111444
Double trips confirm god?

>>39111449
Gym is our church.

>>39111449

My favourite 3 clubs are in old churches.

People worship drugs, alcohol, sex and loss of hearing now. Kek.

>>39111497
:(

>>39111492

If he gets 39000000, 39999999 and 40000000 I might reconsider my stance on religion.

>>39111492
My religion is my ex. I worshipped her.

Being stoned and over analyzing is fucked.

>>39111503

Would you prefer them to be broken down? If we ever turn to religion again it would save a shitton of time and money.

And even I have to admit they made some fine art.

Time to walk my pupper. She's Been overactive since I came home.

>>39111524
I just don't understand why people have the obsession with desecrating churches.

It reminds of seeing teenagers with St Peters Cross trying to be edgy.

Are BCAAs and glutamine a meme? Seems like it but everyone seems to to take them in some form or fashion.

>>39111527
What breed?

>>39111530
Yes and no. Free forms aminos will barely survive digestion.

>>39111528
They're just big buildings that are suitable to host events, its not that they buy a church with the intent to desecrate it. They just happen to be for sale and fit the needs for event hosting.

>>39111513
Kek me too.
I'll also put bag of milk in pooper and post pics.

My test is like 430mg/dL and LH and FSH were on the very bottom of the range for acceptable levels, Estradiol was pretty low as well which I guess is a good thing. I've always suspected that my hormones are fucked, and I don't know if they're fucked enough to be the cause of my symptoms (chronic fatigue, really shit recovery from workouts, really low endurance, low strength, very difficult to put muscle mass on, high bodyfat%, soft + non-angular + feminine phenotype, anxiety, depression, strength varies massively from day to day making it very difficult/impossible to follow a linear progression strength program), but I'm wondering if my shit hormone genetics are more of a reason to avoid gear? Like maybe PCT won't work on me and I'll fuck my endocrine system up even worse?

>>39111516
I'm actually afraid of smoking a joint.
Not sure I've come to terms with what I'm doing to myself and my thoughts would spiral out of control.

>>39111556
You'll be fine.

>>39111561
How are you this much of a pussy at 32 years old

>>39111556
>430mg/dL
ifbb pro from birth

the doctors pulled this thing out and weighed it at like 500 lbs 2% bf and were like wtf is this

>>39111569
Fight me

>>39111582
wait ur STARTING gear at 32 wtf

>>39111582
I wouldn't want you to hurt your soft hands, the handjobs wont be as good anymore.

I cant wait til I can cut
Im so fat now.
I wonder how low my tdee got

>>39111569
Elders are afraid of change

>>39108528
Seems rught to me

>>39111587
He's posting on /fit/ at 32 that's the surprising part.

Groot I hope I don't end up like you.

>out of ephedrine
>need to buy dnp
>tired as shit
fuck

>>39111616
>can think clearly
>the noise is back
>out of weed
Fuck

>>39111622
>the noise is back

What? Hearing voices or something?

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>>39111533

Rottie scotch collie mix.

And as Apoc said, churches are large buildings that look nice or at least have a distinct atmosphere.

They're not desecrated because most don't believe anyway

>>39111627
holy shit

How is it that you see people like zyzz and jeff seid go from skeleton kid to aesthetic as fuck, but you never saw them get fat bulking?

is bulking truly a meme or what?

>>39111635
cute pupper lad

>>39111627
No. but my mind wanders back to familiar places of comfort when I'm sober.

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>>39111643
i think u're in wrong bread

>>39111669
what

there are plenty of fatass roiders, just look on reddit

bunch of neckbeards who have lifted for 3 months or less then hop on gear and get shit ass results.

but I mean I don't think a picture of zyzz or jeff seid being above like 12% body fat, if that, even exists, especially in zyzz's case. but they obviously gained fuckloads of mass.

Is it an "up the dose pussy" thing, or "up the tren" thing, or what? just eating barely above maintenance, like not even +500?

>>39111680

If you're roiding the adage of 'Non noobs don't gain muscle and lose fat' at the same time goes out the windows

Both new lifters and roiders can easily gain muscle while losing fat

>>39111705

yeah but like, why then do we have all these fat fucks like manlet gains, and everyone on reddit?

>>39111587
I got sick of no gains.
What's the problem?
>>39111591
Kekked and wrecked.
Seriously though I'm a pretty good fighter.
>>39111597
I hope better for you too kiddo.

>>39111643
How many pictures do you like to take of yourself when you're fat?

I don't know much about Joff becausr his face pisses me off. But Zyzz whilst he didn't get 'fat' you can definetely see in some pictures his defintion goes away. He just maintained between 8-12%.

>>39111635
That's a nice doggu.

>>39111731
yeah but nowadays these people have instagrams where they are constantly posting shit. like john sky walker, all those random asians, chestbrah, jeff seid, etc..

and you never see them anything but shredded

>>39111747
Because they didn't get famous until they got shredded and so they didn't take as many pictures before.

where did my weekend go?

why am I already back to the wagecuck life?

why can't I get myself to cut because I don't want to lose strength on all my lifts?

why is natty lifting such a meme?

why did I think pcting was a good idea?

>>39111749
they also keep getting bigger though

>>39111756
t r e n
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>>39111756
Yes because they use stuff like Tren, and they bulk to x% of bf, say 12%, then cut back to 8%. So they are perpetually 'shredded' but they can still grow.

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>>39111750
>why did I think pcting was a good idea?
expand

>>39111750
just hop back on retard

>>39111773
>bulk to x% of bf, say 12%, then cut back to 8%

guess that makes sense

tfw 8% bf is not maintainable if you want to get bigger

why even fucking live fuck

>>39111784
>why even fucking live fuck

To fufill the purpose that God has made you for.

>>39111777
I don't know how people who lift natty after lifting on gear do it. I thought I would be able to but it just feels like a waste of time now.

Pre-gear and during, going to the gym was the best part of my day. Now it feels like a chore. Roids killed natty lifting for me.

WTF IS THIS SHIT LOL

MY PAROTID GLAND ON THE RIGHT SIDE (THE HUGE ASS ONE) IS MAKING THIS LIKE FOAMING SQUISHY NOISE WHEN I OPEN AND CLOSE MY MOUTH, OR WHEN I PRESS ON IT

WTF IS THIS SHIT FUCK

>>39111858
ONFG LOL I FUCKINF STARTED MASSAGING THEM BOTH AND THEY ARE MAKING POPPING NOISES LIKE WHEN U POP A HUGE ASS PIMPLE

WHAT RHE UFKICNG SHIT

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>>39111829
You were multiple times that if u go in you arent gonna go out, rite?

also, whats stopping u from cruising?

>>39111870
You're going to die.

Or the pressure inside the glands is like bursting cappilleries or something?

>>39111884
WTFFF

HOPE THIS SHIT MEANS IT'S GETTING BETTER

BUT KNOWING ME IT IS JUST GONNA LIKE SPREAD TO MY DICK OR SOMETHING

>>39111807

My purpose is dieing. Why wait :/.

>>39111891

CAPSLOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL.

>>39111858
>>39111870
Jesus Christ dude

at least when you're dead your parents won't be able to disown you and take their money away

>>39111872
bf% too high. I went through this dumb pct shit, so I might as well cut before getting back on... if I could get myself to start cutting

>>39111891
Maybe the ducts are starting to open up again or sth.

>>39111891
You could have mumps? Or like salivia crystals.

>>39111807
But Azusa isn't real yet

>>39111870
Stop popping the spider sacs in your face

>>39111899
>why wait

The Lord still needs you here. When it's your time, He will call you back.

>>39111914
>But Azusa isn't real yet
Not yet.

I am eating chicken and rice right now and my right huge gland won't stop making this fucoing squishing high pitched noise, it is actually really high pitched and close to the insides of my ear that it hurts my ears, like when someone scratches while writing with chalk and it screeches

>>39111944
Could be a salvia stone breaking up.

>>39111962
Makes sensr I have some pain in exactly the area it's squishing.

>>39111970
>taking medical advise from someone is essentially a Catholic plague doctor and knows nothing

Seriously, just go out of town and see a doctor.

>ftw a chick I fucked 2 months ago called me saying she's got chlamydia
>I've fucked 4 other girls raw dog since then
>no symptoms but heard guys can go without symptoms

Wut do I do fraud fuck

>>39112104
I would just keep rawdogging, it's what I'm doing

but if you have a conscience, getting an std test is really quick and easy. pee in a cup, hand it in, get results a week later

>>39112104
Get yourself checked out, you might not even have it. If you do have it obviously the right thing would be to let those chicks know.

>>39112130
I don't even have two of their phone numbers they were just college sloots

>>39112139
Then forget about those if you can't contact them.

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>>39112130
who you telling whats right thing to do when you're inserting illeagal drugs inside of you

wew lad

>>39112104
Get checked.

Chalmydia can go without symptoms but can make you infertile if untreated.

>>39112178
I'm already BnCing lulz

>>39112178
what the fug

I've been fucking dumb Tinder sluts raw like once a week for the past year and a half

you just scared me

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>>39112152
I like to think my moral values are pretty sound on most things in life.

>>39112186
Spooki booki. This is punishment for your lustful and greedy sins.

>>39112127
Yeah I'm gonna call up the student health center and get a test done. Plausible deniability though everyone's fucking everyone at my college I ain't telling anyone shit.

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Look at these cunts stealing my thread ideas.

PLG confirmed for unoriginality.

>>39112193
are you a virgin or married, Mr Crusader?