Watchmen Pt. 3

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Starting this thread from home so bumps are really really super duper appreciated! Also I decided to remove the Crimson Corsair backups because I wouldn't be posting them in chronological order. Instead, I'll see about finding them all collected in the proper order and then post that.

RIP Cooke. I genuinely enjoyed Minutemen and Silk Spectre.

Is it time to shit now?

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>>92619908
Right there with ya. I recently re-read this series and I was genuinely surprised by how well Cooke pulled this off.

>>92619977
Not now, but probably in the next thread.

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Hollis was such an awesome character.

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I'd love to hear what other individuals think about Cooke's portrayal of Blake. I find it polarizing. I'd argue he has a pretty good take on Blake in his later years but 16 year old Comedian is an odd duck to write.

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>HAR HAR HAR!
I fucking love that.

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Cooke immediately follows up his intriguing Comedian introduction with one of the strongest introductions I've ever seen. I knew nothing about Mothman other than he was institutionalized in Moore's work and here he seems like so much more.

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This page really gets to me.

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YOu can't help who you love, Hollis.

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Absolutely fantastic first issue. I know I might be laying on the praise a little thick but I sincerley enjoyed Cooke's contributions to the Before Watchmen universe. JMS' Dr. Manhattan series is also a standout.

this was one of the better ones

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Although it wasn't nearly as critical this series, I enjoy that Cooke implemented the 3x3 grid for a good number of pages.

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Getting a Venture Bros vibe from this page.

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wow...

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God dammit guys.

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Silhouette's face to Laurence's statement is priceless.

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Hooded Justice is definteily one of the more interesting parts of this series. Cooke managed to give him so much more of a presence that his initial appearance in the series.

So, Comedian is an orphan, right?

>>92620396
We never got to see much of her in the original book, but I always loved how Cooke drew Silhouette's costume here.

It reminds me of older pulp heroes like The Shadow (probably intentional, considering her name), that combination of superhero and noir detective is what I really like.

>oldschool superhero team
>3/8 original members are gay

what does it mean?

Hollis is best boy.

>>92620260
I really like the Nam story. I always felt like it could be a genuine moment of humanity on his part, or just some manipulative bullshit, or a combination of the two.

Bumps

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Makes sense that Hooded Justice would be the S of the S&M..

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=(

>>92620861
Is the Iron Lid the Punisher we deserve?
his sentence structure reminds me of the german language. Not sure if that was intentional or not. The holocaust was published after the war after all.

>>92619510
>Jim Lee's Watchmen
Barf.

Love this mini though, fuck the haters.

>>92620071
>>92620100
I really love how Cooke drew women.

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>Higher moral standard?
>Is that a joke?
No, but you are. Attempted rape of a teammate (supposed friend) in no way shape or form compares to blowing up a warehouse full of fireworks.

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16 year old Comedian is a straight up cunt.

>>92622359
>hoist a nigger like he was a bag of dirty clothes by the sm massa necktie he is wearing
Now if he was using the rope like a tie, drew him in and then did some kind of judo throw using Hooded Justice momentum...

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I'm glad Cooke doesn't pull any punches with his characters. They are so unlike anything I get in current Marvel or DC.

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18 year old Comedian has a ballin costume (hell most of his costumes are pretty swanky). Also this series is really making me wanna go back and adapt my comic for the 3x3 grid. When I first started writing, I wanted to do a modern story in a retro style but when I started using the grid I know I didn't take full advantage of it. Now I feel like it's something I'd like to tackle again now that I have enough examples of works that use it.
>Watchmen by Moore
>Fell by Ellis
>The Omega Men by King
>The Wild Storm by Ellis
>Before Watchmen: MInutemen (for a lot of it).
.>Secret Avengers Vol. 1 #19 (great issue).
>Vision by King
>Spider-Man (Ditko) - I need to read more of this.

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This page hits me more than I expected.

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This was an excellent page.

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Cooke managed to take characters that barely got in a line or two in the original work and made them into more compelling individuals than most Big 2 characters (but this is just my opinion). In not even six issues Cooke has made me care about Hollis, Sillhoutee, Byron, and Hooded Justice to some extent.

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>>92623181
Being Hollis is suffering.

Aside from throwing away the "Captain Metropolis and Hooded Justice ran away and became lovers" theory, I liked Minutemen. It actually built on what was great about Watchmen and made its own thing with it. Sucks that people will throw it in with the other Before Watchmen shit.

>>92623300
>even in death, she is your wingman
Is Silk Spectre, dare I say it, /ourgal/?

I still don't think this should've been made and I don't think Cooke should've done this, and I still feel like it takes a bit away from Watchmen, but at the same time this is not outright bad. At the least, it didn't deserve the excess vitriol from self-righteous "snarky" bloggers and comics commenters.

>>92623598
Wait, is this implying Hooded Justice was a german child rapist? I thought he was homo, black homo sticking it up to the kkk to be precise.

>>92620512
I thought Nelson was Canadian military? Or was that someone else?

>>92623624
Cute.

>>92623706
Wait, you didn't read the text parts of Moore's Watchmen?

>>92623837
I read it all, even the excerpts from the fictional book and the sik paragraph alignment pages from new Nite Owl work on birds. It was just 5 years ago...
I was left with the impression Hooded Justice was just that. Guess I have to re-read it.

>>92623900
In Moore's Watchmen it was implied that Rolf Müller was Hooded Justice, in the text section. but in Cooke's Minutemen he's implying it is at first, because he knows the readers will expect Rolf Müller to be Hooded Justice.

>>92623501
Who are you to say what should or shouldn't have been made? Fuck you.

Honestly I've never read these before and they were a lot better than i expected.
I think it has a lot to do with cooke's art doing such a good job at emulating the golden age style Man. i miss him.
Thanks for the storytime.

>>92624200
Don't pull that act, it's not convincing.

>>92624255
>>92624240
>>92624159
>>92624134
>>92624115

This has gotten a bit goofy. It was implied in the original work that Hooded Justice was in it for the chance to beat people up, but there was, to my knowledge, never anything that suggested him to be an actual criminal or pedophile.

bump! thanks dude, i had never read any of the additions to this universe, seems cool

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>>92624384

Okay, now I feel like I've put the cart before the horse. Is this actually Hooded Justice? In Watchmen, he disappeared without a trace, with the implication being that Comedian had killed him.

>>92624439
This however is a fantastic page.

>>92624340
>>92623706

No, the twist in BW: Minutemen is Cooke is implying that Hooded Justice is Rolf Muller, AT FIRST. He knows the reader will assume that because of the text in Moore's comic that deliberately implied Hooded Justice is Rolf Muller. And Cooke characterizes Muller as an escaped Nazi and also a guy who abuses children. But the twist is that Hooded Justice ISN'T Rolf Muller. Muller was his father, and Hooded Justice was his son.

>>92624434
If you read the rest of the book the public doesn't know who Hooded Justice is or what happened to him still. And Hollis has good reason to keep silent about it.

>>92624260
Fuck off, idiot. Go be an edgy asshole somewhere else.

>>92624517
The only person being edgy here is you. And you're not a convincing actor.

>>92624562
You make me laugh.

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Talk about a gut punch of an ending.

>>92624249
I miss him too. His work was unparalleled and forever etched intself into my list of comic book influences.



>>92623501
Stronlgy disagree that this shouldn't have been made. You may feel it cheapens the original Watchmen story but I think the opposite. It operates as additional supplemental material that you can be perfectly fine to ignore (the general public certainly does). Not all of the titles work but as an artistic exercise on expanding on the work of a prior author I couldn't have asked more from Cooke and I bet Moore would agree (He's capable of enjoying adaptations of his work -- he liked JLU's adaptation of For the Man who Has Everything".

>>92624434
The body that they found shot through the head (mentioned in Moore's text) was Muller's. But Cooke makes it clear (without saying outright) that Muller wasn't Hooded Justice, his son was.

>>92620232
Hollis was too pure for this world.

>>92620260
A minuteman movie with this kind of storyline would be kino.

I always felt bad for Hooded Justice, because this implied to me that he knew about his father's crimes and became a superhero as a way to make up for it.

Say what you want about the rest of Before Watchmen, but Cooke's story adds onto the original in what I feel is a very positive way.

>>92622320
>Captain Kangaroo Court

But Captain Kangaroo wasn't a thing for another 15 years

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>>92625007
Comedian invented it.

Continuing on with Silk Spectre. It may not have art as glorious as Cooke but Amanda Connor was an intersting choice and the adherence to the 3x3 grid pleases me. Cooke and Connor don't knock it out of the park, but still incredibly read worthy.

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I have no idea why but this page hits me at a gutteral level. I totally empathize with Sally in this scene.

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Sally doesn't deserve Hollis. It's obvious he's in love with her.

>>92625320
Stupid sexy Sally.

>>92625137
The Silk Spectre mini was the best one senpai. All the other ones didn't even feel like Watchmen without the 3x3 grid.

>>92623428
Thats a good origin story

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>>92625692
While I don't feel the Rorschach or Ozymandias stories live up to their potential (it's been a while since I read them so I could be mistaken), I feel most of Before Watchmen was a success in revisiting some classic characters and establishing more characterization and depth beyond the original work. Some may see this is a shameless cash grab but I see it as a love letter to the original series with unique stories and amazing art in some cases.

>>92624032
But then, years later, DC created an event with this name, so I guess it WAS for something!

>>92624318
WHOA WHOA WHOA

>>92626190

>>92624449
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>>92625523
>M'Lady

Proto-fedora, right here.

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>>92626216
=D

Hope everyone has enjoyed these issues. As I've been exposed to more and more comic books, comic movies, and comicTV shows the more I've grown to appreciate specific works in the medium. Watchmen was one of those titles that will forever stand out in my eyes. Not just for its plot but for it's meticulous construction and layout.


Top Five Comic Films at the current moment (and in no particular order).

1.Spider-Man 2
>I saw this and theaters when I was younger and found it so much more boring than the first one. When I watch it now I see it as immensly personal tale with fantastic characterization and some of the best directed web swinging I've ever seen. Also Alfred Molina and JK SImmons as Jonah is some of the finest casting ever

2. Watchmen
>I recently rewatched the movie and that's what motivated me to storytime this series. The movie is too self indulgent for the average movie goer but if you're willing to devote teh time you have a movie with a wealth of history layered into every scene. The heroes are incredibly flawed yet still oddly heroic when need be. Nobody wins in the classic sense (if you can even call it winning). Plus it looks fundamentally different from all other cape films out there. There is nothing quite like it.

3. Unbreakable
>ANother film that I feel stands in a league of its own for what a modern super hero film is capable of. Haven't seen Split yet.

4. Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths
>I consider this McDuffie's strongest work he's ever put out. It's a simple story backed up by incredible acting, art direction, and music. Truly a classic Justice League story.

5. Hellboy
>It probably isn't the most comic accurate adaption by any stretch of the imagination but it's style and charm. Pearlman is downright charming in his big ass trenchcoat and the practical effects ensure much of this film stands up to the test of time.

Sorry about the rant. Love to hear your guys favorite comic films if you can list them.

>>92625618
Oh snap

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Jesus Christ, Sally. Back off.

>>92625618
SHIT NIGGA RUN

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.....wow

>>92625931
is that young shaggy with a pink sweater?

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Comedian, you crazy.

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So that's where he got it.

>>92626784
>Laurie beats up Bootsy Collins in front of Frank Sinatra.

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And that's all folks. I hope everyone enjoyed. See you guys later!!!

>>92626224
oh man Wilby's got the munchies!

>>92626642
"They could be detrimental to your health," he said while smoking like a chimney. That's some Grade-A irony, there.

>>92626506
Call me a tasteless heretic pleb, but I really, really like the page layout in this issue.

>>92626866
Thanks!

>>92619345
Love the Cooke books butt goddamn did it piss people off that he did this.

I remember the Eisner Black List Petition and hooded utilitarian's absolutely disgusting review of this.

Fucking asshats.

This and Silk Specter are legitimately great and Doc Manhattan is pretty good.

>>92622990
I've always wondered about this page given it could have a double meaning when you remember the Catholic Church Child Rape Scandals

>>92623281
I feell like their is a Hollis esque character in almost all of Cooke's works

>>92620260
How old was Sally?

>>92627723
She was 3 years older than Blake when he raped her.

>>92626375
1. The Dark Knight
2. Mask of the Phantasm
3. Persepolis
4. Captain America Winter Soldier
5. Snowpiercer

If we could count manga that were adapted outside of Japan, Oldboy would be at the top.

>>92619345
aww shit its professor bro. thanks man.

The bumpmen

>>92623027
>>92623181
Oh Hollis...

>>92624058
So Laurel was Hollis' daughterfu? Sucks that we didn't see much of a reaction from her when he died.

>>92627419
>I remember the Eisner Black List Petition and hooded utilitarian's absolutely disgusting review of this.

Was the Eisner list thing about when Frank Santoro was calling for a boycott of the work of everyone who worked on Before Watchmen, and it also turned out he was going to be an Eisner Judge the following year? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy all the lessons he teaches on TCJ, but he was a fucking idiot for thinking that boycotting creator-owned work of people who worked on Before Watchmen would be effective in any way. Same view I have of other people that suggested the same thing he did. It's an illogical move. If you don't want to buy Before Watchmen, that's actually understandable. If you want to boycott DC, that's also understandable. But boycotting creator-owned work doesn't do anything to DC, who'll still find someone to work on a project anyway.

I kinda forgot what the hell the Hooded Utilitarian article was about but I remembered it was a lot of contrived contorted arguments to complain about the book and a lot of praise from the self-righteous readership there. Or was that other articles?

Honestly those still weren't the worst. The worst was the one where someone, on the day Joe Kubert died, compared Joe Kubert inking Before Watchmen to Joe Paterno covering up Sandusky's child abuses.

No, wait, actually that wasn't the worst because that guy apologized, sort of. The worst was probably the guy on Comicon who had a mad-on for everyone who worked on BW and agreed with that Kubert/Paterno comparison. The Comicon board's long gone though so I can't find the posts anymore.

we're gonna finish this tomorrow right?

>>92627419
>I remember the Eisner Black List Petition and hooded utilitarian's absolutely disgusting review of this.
But now that Geoff Johns is doing "his most personal story ever" using the Watchmen characters it's okay.

>>92630723
No, it's just that the people who thumped their chest over their moral superiority toward Before Watchmen generally don't read DC stuff anymore. Like for instance the guy who compared Kubert to Paterno bitched and moaned about Geoff Johns' comics as far back as Rebirth or maybe his Avengers run.

>>92630812
>don't read DC stuff a
Irrelevant, they weren't going to read BW either. It's not like this wasn't big news either.