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I enjoyed it for what it was: a bridge and set up movie. The real meat of this series is gonna come in the next two movies and that's where it's gonna make or break this new Trilogy.
>At least Jacen had a reason to go to the dark side being in a years long war and losing family
Kylo will also have his reasons, I just hope they are good. But we will have to wait until Episode VIII and I'm excited about Rian Johnson being the one to handle Kylo's backstory.
Star Killer's functionality was fucking Rakata Technology... and the official canon map has Rakata Prime on it as canon. Fucking KOTOR technology is what made SK work.
Wait, people dislike the film? (Just rejoining the thread after a week blackout)
There are things I didn't like, sure. The ending was balls. Can't cocktease people like that knowing there's a 2 year wait. Was filmed shitty, and the location was ass.
And I didn't like that the plot was just ANH all over again.
And Maz Kanata's castle was a huge disappointment, felt like a last ditch attempt to say "look at our practical effects" despite Jakku already executing them perfectly.
But asides from that, I'm just in a state of bliss right now, I loved the movie.
I thought Rogue One is in the summer?
And yes, all future movies are canon, along with the books, comics, and cartoons, unless they're explicitly non-canon. Generally, if it has the Lucasfilm Story Groups approval, and it isn't some parody like the Lego spin offs, then chances are it is canon.
Anybody love the pottery with Hux and Tarkin?
>Vader and Tarkin are complete bros and work together to please Sheev
>Kylo and Hux are competing against each other for Snoke's attention and seem to hate each other
>Can't cocktease people like that knowing there's a 2 year wait.
Honest question here.
With no footage of Luke except the hand on R2, and everyone wondering where he was, how did everyone not expect TFA to end on the cliffhanger of them finding him? The way it ended is exactly how I expected it to.
>Main character in KoTOR is Reven
>Main characters in 7 are Rey and Ren
>Reven has a cool mask
>Ren has a cool mask
>KoTOR's plot is about assembling a star map
>7's plot is about assembling a star map
>Reven was memory wiped
>It's implied Rey might have been memory wiped
Just how far will they go with the KoTOR connection going forward?
Was anyone else disappointed that Luke's New Jedi Order was done and killed off before the movie began and off screen? I thought we were gonna get at least some more new Jedi now that the empire was all but gone before the first order showed up.
I hate how simultaneously so much happened between 6 and 7 but at the same time nothing really did
>there's an empire again
>the only ones fighting are scrappy misfit reb- resistance
>Luke rebuilt the Jed- oh wait no they're all dead, he's hiding
>Han grew as a- no he's just a space junker/smuggler
It's just kind of boring.
>tfw the new movies keep ripping off the EU more and more, to the point we get a Thrawn analogue that's actually a strong independent woman to make up for the embarrasment that was Phasma
Post predictions for the next episodes
The Knights of Ren aren't actually a thing. They were fabricated by Snoke specifically to appeal to Ben as a third option and indoctinate him. They were then 'slaughtered' to condition Ben to the dark side.
It's frustrating as fuck, the OT heroes apparently just jerked off for 30 years.
The movie and new canon would have been saved if Rey found Luke in a hidden temple while a dozen or two dozen new jedi watched from the shadows.
one of my friends thought Ren was Revan when he first saw the trailer and after he realized it wasn't, he thought they were just trying to copy things in order to pander to fanboys.
He's probably right. The movie can only rip off other Star Wars products and filling the rest with generic genre tropes.
fuck this movie hard;
>felt like a last ditch attempt to say "look at our practical effects" despite Jakku already executing them perfectly.
Felt like what George has always said he wanted the cantina in ANH to look like to me. Personally I loved the shit out of the practical effects. At first I was a little unsettled because it looked different than how Star Wars has looked, but when I realized that was because filming tech has come miles since what George used to film the OT, and JJ wasn't making a cartoon with people walking around in it, it all made sense and a wave of comfy washed over me. There was an actual moment when I realized the stormtroopers were actual people with actual practical suits on, and not guys in mop cap suits that had their suits painted on, and the realization left me with a wonderful feeling.
I expected him to show up towards the end, everyone did. But one shot, and then an awkward silence and then end? Fuck that, it was shitty. I think it's actually the worst ending of any star wars movie by far.
Think about it, compare it to all the others.
>Qui-Gon Funeral, Sheev foreshadowing, Fun celebration (Ok this one is sorta lame too)
>Sheev looking over the Clone Army, Anakin and Padme marry on Naboo (Beautiful imagery for a somewhat meh movie)
>Vader born, Death Star construction, Padme's Funeral, the Twins are taken to their homes, Binary Sunset
>Yavin IV Celebration, the classic
>Bittersweet ending overlooking the beautiful Galaxy
>Galaxy Celebrating the Death Star II's destruction
And then you get;
>Rey shows up on a weird seemingly inhospitable island and awkwardly stares at Luke in silence for 20 seconds while shaking as she offers him a lightsaber
Once the "omg Luke" factor is gone, the ending will be meaningless. Imagine watching it in 10 years. The ending is just simply lame. No feel good, no bittersweet, no sad, no nothing, just... Luke. And like I said, once the next movies are out, the ending wont even have any impact at all upon rewatching it.
TFA, while a spectacular movie, had the lamest fucking ending imaginable.
>With no footage of Luke except the hand on R2, and everyone wondering where he was, how did everyone not expect TFA to end on the cliffhanger of them finding him? The way it ended is exactly how I expected it to.
The only thing about the reveal that surprised me is that they didn't end the movie with a shot of Luke's face. They had a close up his face, then switched to this shaky circling shot of them on the island with Luke's back to us.
It should have been reversed. We should have seen Rey confronting some mysterious figure, only for them to turn around and reveal they're Luke.
THEN cue end credits.
-Rey is related to either Luke or Kylo
-Snoke is the Emperor reborn
-More of the OT cast is killed off one by one.
-Another pointless musical interlude
Really grasping at straws on that one.
Yeah, that sounds like something I might have done if I were retarded. Good thing I'm just stupid.
Yeah, they kinda half assed the progression of the Galaxy to make it more of a 4th OT movie than the 1st of a new trilogy.
Say what you will about them, but the Galaxy during the prequels felt different, and we saw it change and degenerate into what we have in the OT.
And now everything feels like it hit a standstill.
I didn't really get the political map.
The new republic helps the resistence, but not publicly...so that means First order is some kind of a legitimate goverment that rules certain of the galaxy and thats why the new republic doesn't confront them directly...but then FO openly shoots fire to new republic?
What was the point of being "neutral" if they knew FO could fuck them any moment?
>Once the "omg Luke" factor is gone, the ending will be meaningless. Imagine watching it in 10 years. The ending is just simply lame. No feel good, no bittersweet, no sad, no nothing, just... Luke.
It's more like Empire Strikes Back. Rey has replaced Han- just like Lando replaced him. Everybody says their goodbyes and Rey goes to meet Luke, whom she encounters in a remote and sweeping vista.
Also, in the first shot of Luke you have since the end of return of the Jedi, we see that he's pretty much become Old Ben Kenobi, which brings things full circle.
but that's dumb though, Luke should have trained fucking SOMEONE.
>tfw they could show Mandalore the Bearded, Corran, Kam, Tioone, and the best of the NJO as an easter egg in VIII
>but deep down you know it'll never happen
I'm really concerned that the sequel trilogy is just going to be a rehash of the original trilogy. They are definitely going that path with Kylo Ren being Darth Vader 2.0. and Snoke being Sheev 2.0. - I can already see a Kylo redemption arc where he overthrows his master. I hope they do something different, but I'm concerned.
I think the New Republic is supposed to be pacifistic while funding the Resistance as a proxy army to keep the peace and political face.
The First Order is just the Imperial Remnant in the Outer Rim.
While the Cold War idea is neat, I much rather prefer the aggressive, confident New Republic of the old EU.
>Say what you will about them, but the Galaxy during the prequels felt different, and we saw it change and degenerate into what we have in the OT.
The prequels still feel too removed from the OT. We saw changes and degeneration, but it didn't feel like we were going
At least not until I saw the Tantive IV and that classic interior.
That's what the prequels should have looked like in Epsiode 1.
Some deleted scenes may have been found, they have a lot more flashbacks of Luke and Kylo. I hope they make some DVD bonus section
Guys, I loved the movie, I really did, but uhh... Can we just talk about the fact that;
The soundtrack wasnt that great? I think it may be the worst soundtrack of all the movies. NOTHING of the new tracks stood out to me, except maybe (what i think is) Rey's theme. I would leave Star Wars movies with the music ingrained in my head after the first viewing, but this is the first time I can barely remember any of it. None of it stood out at all, it was all so soft.
More than disappointed. Unless it turns out he managed to fully train some Jedi and they were offworld when the Knights of Ren attacked, I'm pretty pissed that they had Luke's efforts to rebuild the Order be undone so swiftly.
If you watch each prequel carefully, you'll notice there's distinct shifts in design. Like things feel like they become grittier each episode as the Clone War gets closer/rages on.
Isn't Finn just a Kyle Katarn rip off?
Yeah I agree, the OST was weak as fuck. John Williams must not be up to it anymore or barely had a hand in it. All of the prequels had new iconic tracks and themes but this barely anything
TPM -> Duel of the Fates
AoTC -> Across the Stars (how that shitty movie had such good music is beyond me)
RoTS -> Battle of the Heroes
There was even much better self-referencing "poetry" (foreshadowing actually) in the movie. Poe literally said "as long as there's light, there's hope". When Han faces his son, Kylo's face has red light on the left and blue light on the right, produced by the sun that was being absorbed. Then the blue light disappeared and by the time when Kylo's face wasn't bluish anymore, he killed Han. The light in him disappeared, just like the light of the sun.
JJ is a pretty good director. That scene was superb and also an example for "poetry" done right.
It looks like from these that Maz was a force user. Not a Jedi, but still a Force user.
I can maybe see why they dropped the idea. Might have been too confusing to explain to casual audiences, and the film didn't waste much time with explaining shit.
Plus, she was already a little Yoda-y.
I agree, there were now stand out tracks by John this time. If you gotta give the prequels credit, is that each one had at least one fucking great song (Duel of the Fates, Episode II love Theme, Battle of Heroes). In VII nothing really stands out. I guess John is losing his luster or something.
Too bad when they were talking about the Star Killer one of them didn't go "Wait, Star Killer? Wasn't that that guy who Vader trained and then became are inspiration or something?" as a way to bring him into the canon. As silly as that would sound.
I dunno how they can be called underwhelming. Not to your taste maybe, but underwhelming is far from what they are. The blaring reprise of the love theme before Anakin and Padme go into the execution arena was really really powerful.
Anon, I won't speak to the quality of the ending. That's not what I asked about. I don't think as much a problem as you do but I would argue that's because I expected it.
Clearly something happened that was so traumatic to him he exiled himself and abandoned the responsibility that had been placed on him by Yoda. He wasn't going to feel something in the Force, and come out of hiding to be a deus ex machina. He was always going to need to be saught out and found, and the enabling of the protagonists to be able to do this was clearly going to be the plot of TFA. Personally, I got a little anxious while watching because I was almost expecting it to end a la Empire with Rey and Chewie flying off to go find Luke while Leia watches
which I think would be a better ending more in line with the precedent of the other saga films like you described.There is no way they weren't going to show Luke though. With the entire plot being about seeking the means to find him, and them acquiring those means, there needed to be a payoff for their efforts. I could see them saving that for VIII, but can you imagine how much we'd be bitching if Luke never showed up? It kind of was a no win scenario in the sense that you either needed to give the fans what they want, or remain consistent with precedent. TFA is clearly a movie about giving fans what they want though, so we know which they chose.
What I'm going to be curious to see is if VIII picks up right there, and includes Rey trying to draw Luke out of his exile, as well as Snoke finishing Ben's training, or if it's going to cut forward in time and have Rey be trained in the Force, and Ben upgraded, and potentially recostumed since he left his helmet behind.
Also, will Finn go full android? Kind of looked like Ben may have rekt his back.
>that Yoda/Doku battle was awesome as fuck
That was really silly and kind of pointless. If you must have Yoda fight someone it should be Palpatine, everything else feels superfluous.
I feel like I'd enjoy the movie much more if Rey was played by Christie and what's-her-face was the glorified shiny background prop instead.
It wasn't bad but it could've been better, I liked Finn and Maz Kanata much more than I've expected, Poe is decent if a bit generic, Hux is pretty amazing and I hope be ends up trying to stage his own coup at some point.
5 > 4 > 6 = 3 = 7 > 1 = 2
Having trouble picking one over another.
I dunno. I guess I'm making the mistake of comparing them to 'Duel of the Fates'. I keep expecting something more bombastic (though in the case of AtS, it would be the fact that it came from my least favorite of the series)
I dont care what anybody says, everything with Obi-Wan, Jango, and the Arena, is great.
Completely disagree mate.
5 = 4 > 3 = 7 > 6 > 1 > 2
5 and 4 dont need an explanation. 7 is a great Star Wars movie, but loses points for it's rehashed plot that leaves us, not really anywhere new. 3 is a fantastic climactic experience. 6 is good, but loses it in the middle, and the ending is SLIGHTLY neutered by the fact that it is no longer the true ending.
Then 1 > 2 because I love Maul/Podracing more than the stuff in AotC (although theres many things in 2 that I still like. I dont dislike any of the movies)
Went to see my parents the other day and they asked if there was anything I fancied for Christmas, figured I'd ask for the visual dictionary and cross-section books just for nostalgia's sake (I had the OT ones as a kid), anything similar that's worth getting hold of?
I enjoyed the final duel in TFA more than the duel in ROTJ.
it was far more brutal and well choreographed, but wasn't too flashy like in the prequels.
different strokes for different folks
The soundtrack was a bit underwhelming, mostly because there was only one leitmotif. I really like "torn apart" though. It fits Kylo's cruelty and inner conflict. Jedi steps is also pretty good.
>Episode 7 pretty much follows a good majority of the post Episode 6 EU
>Episode 7 essentially did what Episode 3 does to the Clone Wars EU stuff where only a few things are retconned while the rest works fine with the movie
So why the fuck did they retcon the EU then? It was a licensing thing wasn't it? Disney didn't want to buy the fuck loads of books and whatnot from the old EU so they just made it non canon. I'm sure there was some push in Lucasfilm to try out a story group because they thought it would be fun too, but I bet the money reasons came first and afterwards Pablo/Chee/etc were like 'fuck, I guess we need to make an official canon now'.
Don't get me wrong, I'm liking a lot of the new canon, I just really don't see a point in it existing though when their reasoning for retconning ALL of it was 'Episode 7 won't work with it' when Episode 7 only contradicts SOME of it.
The Republic isn't gone, the capital planet and fleet were destroyed, but the Republic territory still exist. The Republic is just without leadership or an army right now. That's where the resistance comes in.
So they can
>reuse ideas with the appearance of them being original
>not have to deal with shit like Chewie gettting crushed by a moon
>not have the plot of every upcoming movie be from a book or a comic
>NotJacen finally redeems himself in later movie
>new weapon is pic related
Rey is a better protagonist than both Luke (in the first movie at least) and Anakin.
>whole trilogy is showing Rey trying to bring Ren to the light side
>in Episode 9 she briefly brings him to the light in the middle of a battle and due to some misunderstanding Finn thinks Kylo is about to kill Rey so he shoots Kylo in the neck and kills him
>this happens with Rey and Kylo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8qG4AlK1qk
Oh someone else finally pointed it out, nice.
>friends popcorn and drink rang up as $11.38 when we got to the theatre
I think the only reason they've kept the mystery of her origins a mystery is because she's not related to anyone we have any connection to. Their relevancy won't come up until later. At least that's the only reason I can think ofwhy theyu should do that. Because if it's just "She's Han/Luke's kid" then all the little cut aways from letting us know are just for the sake of mystery and, as such, lazy story telling.
How would that work out? Rey's being abandoned on Jakku, I mean. Maybe she was kidnapped as a baby? Maybe Luke left her a la Kenobi theory of dumping kids on a desert planet to protect her from being found? Clearly her connection to the force, piloting skills, and mechanical skills scream that she is a Skywalker, but her being left on Jakku in the manner she was would kind of be a fuck up on whomever's part left her there unless there was a Kenobi in the shadows keeping an eye on her that we don't know about. Maybe Max von Sydow's character?
Hux will redeem himself by killing Snoke and taking over the First Order after realizing problems of both Republic and the Empire come from the presence of force users. It's obvious.
The movie was pretty good though I'm more excited for Rogue One and them doing something more original in Episode VIII now that they've got every rehash they can think of out of the way.
But what in the fuck was this motherfucker that pops up out of the sand at the end of the introduction? Seriously that shit gave me flashbacks to weirdly specific nightmares I had as a kid.
Also it seems like it talks to BB-8 in something more sophisticated than animal noises. Was it sentient? Was it totally chill with just watching a whole village of people being slaughtered?
Gonna disagree with maz's castle, I loved it. In fact I'm upset they leveled it. I wanted to see it in more stuff.
Am I the only one who feels that
Maz's character was interesting and well acted?
>She is way more badass than both of them, but she basically has no flaws.
Aside from deciding she wanted nothing to do with any of that crazy vision nonsense, running away, and promptly getting pwned by Kylo.
She was basically the chosen one without anyone ever actually ever telling her she was.
Is there a guide to what episodes of the Clone Wars are worth watching?
>Hux will redeem himself by killing Snoke and taking over the First Order after realizing problems of both Republic and the Empire come from the presence of force users. It's obvious.
This wouldn't surprise me, but it would also disappoint me. Apparently Star Wars civilians are turning into Marvel civilians seeing as they needed coaxing to leave the fucking empire
Can you imagine how the Empire would've been like if Hux had ruled over it and not Sheev?
Well acted, yes. Glasses were a bit much, though. And the fact that she was hundreds of years old, knowledgeable in the force, and a tiny creature made her an obvious Yoda expy.
Biggest flaw of the movie for me. It was very bland and uninspired IMO. Perhaps I was too focused on what was happening to really listen to it, but there were so many moments I was expecting Jedi themes, or nods to the Imperial March that never came and left me wishing they had. Even TPM have Duel of the Fates, but there was nothing memorable about what we got that I can remember.
Maybe John is losing it?
>Maybe Luke left her a la Kenobi theory of dumping kids on a desert planet to protect her from being found
I think this is what happened. Max von Kenobi knew where Luke was. So they must have had contact. He must be watching over Rey who has force amnesia like Revan did.
>Can you imagine how the Empire would've been like if Hux had ruled over it and not Sheev?
It wouldn't have gotten as far as it ever did. Hux is running what remains of the institutions that Palpatine created pretty much from nothing. Without Palpatine's manipulation and force ex machina, there would be no Imperial fleet.
But none of them are terrible, or bad. It's all fairly close. Honestly all but one of the ">" are a formality. Only episode one deserves any kind of separation, and even then it's the difference between 7.5/10 and 7/10. I like all the movies for their own reasons, sue me.
>There are people that SERIOUSLY think that Episode 7 was on the same level of Episode 1
You people can't be fucking serious. It wasn't a perfect movie but it was better than episode 1. That is a fact.
>I really thought Rey was going to cut off Kylo's hand though.
I thought she was gonna cut something off. Ben fucking owes her now since she gave him a sweet scar on his face he can show off to his buddies in his Sith fanboy club.
>You people can't be fucking serious. It wasn't a perfect movie but it was better than episode 1. That is a fact.
There are people here who think the lightsaber duel at the end of Episode 3 was awesome and appropriate.
>there is an ant eater x-wing pilot
>kinda half chuckle at him
>he speaks stirn fluent english
>woah he's cool shit
>he's racking up kills along with the others
>keeps changing camera to the asian girl and fat guy
>think they're about to die
>ant-eater gets shot
>shout Nooo in the theatre
favorite non-main character alien?
>the lightsaber battle
It was so fucking cool to see Lightsabers with modern effects, being treated like real beams of Cold-Plasma. Shit was so cash.
Don't even get me started on Kylo's [The World] tier Force freezing.
TFW you think Kylo Ren is an analogue for a school shooter
>massacred Luke's jedi academy, prompting Luke to go into hiding
Is literally a young white male school shooter, but with a lightsaber
>there's a Sith club at the First Order academy
>they're basically the emo kids
>they always try and compare injuries with each other
>"Yeah well I was fighting a Jedi the other day and before I killed him he totally swiped his lightsaber like right above my hand and burned it."
>"You're lying. The Jedi are all dead. Plus I was at your house when you got that burn and it was from getting a pan out of the oven."
>"Shut the fuck up Kylo!"
It's mind boggling that people STILL praise this shit as "climactic". You have this shit, the fucking lava surfing, the VINE SWINGING fight. It's everything wrong with the prequel fights but then they double down and make it even more ridiculous.
My buddy and I were talking, and we thought the saga movies are most likely going to stay safe in terms of what they cover. The other one offs or "EU" movies are gonna be the ones that take the risks.
I can't fucking wait. I love our Mouse Overlords for opening up the Star Wars universe as a cinematic sandbox.
Ah good ole Georgie.
My friend felt the last panning shot with Rey and Luke was awkwardly silent as fuck, I responded "well it's a Star Wars movie, something has to be awkward".
That actually worked.
Your glorious legacy carries on, Lucas.
Wonder if he liked the movie. I know he said the fans would like it, but I wonder how he himself felt.
>mfw they start awkwardly moving towards the beam and balancing on it for no reason
>"He's been in Low Power mode since Luke left us. He might never be his old self again."
Anyone else kind of get the feeling this was some kind of jab at George Lucas no longer exercising creative control over the franchise?
Begrudgingly accepting of it.
He doesn't love it, but he admitted it was his decision and he stands by it.
Yeah it's not like there was any emotion in it at any point! Except that there was if payed even a little attention.
>They literally just redid episode 4
And episode V (Maz=Yoda, Father and Son confrontation over a bottomless pit, snow planet battle) and VI (Han and Leia, Ackbar, Nien, and the gang return, .
This movie was basically Disney/JJ going/Everyone else saying, "See! We can still make a classic Star Wars movie! Will you get off our backs already?" Hopefully now that they've proven the point, they can explore the setting's potential a bit more.
Sort of like how Marvel had to show they could do basic comic book movies before taking on projects like Iron Man3, Winter Soldier, and Ant Man in slightly different directions.
>he doesn't want to see more of the entire universe around the movies.
>he only wants to watch a Skywalker save the day again for the umpteenth time
I pity you. I love me some Skywalker saves the day, but there is an entire galaxy out there full of stories to be told. Where is your sense of manifest destiny, anon?
>You have this shit, the fucking lava surfing, the VINE SWINGING fight.
With all the CGI, the set pieces, the gimmicky "complications", the whole fight felt like a quicktime event/cutscene from the Force Unleashed.
I can admit that it felt like they were copying elements from ANH, but it's not the complete total rehash everyone is memeing about. There was plenty of new shit you they showed but you're all too busy shitposting to notice.
I enjoyed it, but TPM's final battle was a little better. Lucas tried a little too hard to top himself with ROTS that some things felt rather silly.
>did you see that spider like at-at's walking on the background?
I fucking did.
>friends popcorn and drink rang up as $11.38 when we got to the theatre
What were your theater reactions like?
I heard excited cheering for "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" and the Star Wars logo. There was some concern over "Luke Skywalker has vanished" - excitement for the Millennium Falcon, applause for Han and Chewie, and then after that the audience just fell dead. No applause at the end, just dead silence for the latter half of the movie - and in fact I saw people walk out of the theater before the credits.
Applause for the logo, Han, Rey force pulling the lightsaber, and the ending. Laughter for lots of other bits. When the first reveal of "your father, Han Solo" happened, one woman in the back said "What?" all hushed, but since everyone else was quiet we all heard her.
They can also be done via movies. Don't worry. Your Mary Saga will always be the special butterfly compared to all the others, but movies allow a completely valid method of storytelling that may be the best fit for certain stories. As for their becoming a non event? In what sense? Pop culture? So you're saying I won't need to wait in line after buying a ticket to see a new movie on opening day? Thank fucking Christ. So long as I'm enjoying them, I really wouldn't give a fuck. Realistically though, only a goober really thinks Disney isn't going to do anything to devalue their IP. They're in the money making business, and diminishing an IP's luster isn't good for making money.
>Episode 1 at least TRIED to be its own thing
True, but it failed terribly. Being original its not something good by itself.
I prefer having fun with unoriginal stuff than bored to death with some creative thing.
>the new cantina music isn't on the soundtrack
I gotta say JJ kinda sucks at world building compared to Lucas. At the end of ANH and TPM I already had a decent grasp on the OT and PT settings at the end of TFA I still hav e almost no idea what is going on in the galaxy at large or how much of anything is.
>you only see him for 2 scenes
I wanted MORE.
I'd go with Hux for that instead
In general I genuinely hope Phasma and Hux will either be friends or at least have genuine respect for each other, it could be fun to watch and I want the "everybody hates Kylo" narrative to continue.
destroyed my heart when he just said one phrase and disappeared.
Thats the thing that annoyed me so much on this movie. Every fucking time I felt in a star wars world, the scene changed and the guys had to escape from one scene to the other. I wanted to see casual life in the star wars world, more of it, how species behave. All that rich content
I would be down for that if 1. The male was played by a Channing Tatum or Chris Hemsworth. One of those guys who's good at acting serious while actually making a fool of themselves.
you both know damn well all nsfw Phasma content won't be even close to femdom and for the most part won't even attempt to bear any resemblance to Christie because this fandom is filled to the brim with people who exclusively fap to submissive Twi'leks with baloon tits
How many alien species from any of the past Star Wars movies were in this one? I only noticed Ackbar and this nigga
A force user letting go and overcoming fear is a powerful thing. Throughout the series from Obi-wan, Luke, Kanan, Ezra and even Anakin, we see this. Rey did the same thing when Kylo had her cornered and in a saber lock. Aggression and pain will never be as powerful in the end.
Yeah I was so interested in him. Besides his sweet design, looks like he was escorting some old alien with a missing leg/limp. And they were just chillin in a bar shooting shit while they got gas or whatever.
More of this stuff please.
And in the EU, when Chewie died, he left home, got drunk, and went on a smuggling adventure in Yuuzhan Vong occupied territory.
So TFA isn't the first thing to make Han undergo character reversion.
>no iconic aliens
>no iconic locations
>complete rehash of A New Hope
>Appearing on the red carpet in London before heading back to the Big Apple, the 62-year-old filmmaker also confirmed the entire Star Wars: The Force Awakens cast will be returning for Episode VIII.
Are you talking about this guy? He is not a lthorian. They just have similar anatomy. Even says so right by his face.
My theater is largely civilized, the only reactions were laughter at things like BB8 giving a thumbs up.
Except for one asshole who just kept giggling at random scenes for no reason.
A couple of people attempted to clap at the credits but it quickly died out.
A Rodian would have been neat, but you never seen them reuse aliens in the OT outside of a Rodian in Jabba's Palace. Would have been boring if they did it then and same for now. Probably wouldn't have many classic aliens in the first place.
True, but I guess what they're going with here is that Han was never a very good dad. I prefer the Galaxy's Greatest Dad Han who doesn't revert until the galaxy is being genocided and his best friend and companion dies, but then bounces back after a little while.
>They couldn't even be bothered to use a real Ithorian
Ithorian + Twilek @ Maz
Rodian in b/g on Jakku
Pancakes as you saw there
I swear I saw some Chadra-Fan
Oh and a droid with Highsinger's voice, and similar design.
I'm sure there were others.
Guy next to me muttered GODDAMNIT JACEN SOLO YOUR EVIL IN THIS TOO STOP BEING EVIL IN THINGS WAIT THAT AIN'T JACEN SOLO WHAT IS IT WITH SOLOS
I'm sure he was trying to make some kind of epik maymay.
Anyone else hoping for Zuckuss and 4LOM in part VIII or IX? I'd like to see the entire bounty hunter squad but since Bossk and Dengar were in CW already I'd imagine they'll be dead by TFA and it's hard to imagine old man Boba not being retired.
I had the average-fan fans. They (me included because I'm not above these things when everyone is doing it and I find it FUN) clapped during everything that was old that showed up. Falcon, Han, Darth Helmet, ect. Only one women was super annoying, who of course had to sit next to me, but I won't fault her too bad cause she seemed like a bigger fan than anyone else, but she cheered and swore at the screen a lot. When Ray Jedi Mind tricked the Trooper she yelled out BYE FALISSA. I don't know what that was referance to, but the rest of the theater cracked up? Then she yelled out YOU MOTHER FUCKER FUCK! At Kylo when he did the thing. Her boyfriend next to her said, babe, SHH! There are kids in here.
Other than that, a few people cheered out for Akbar, everyone laughed at all the right moments. They laughed at anything BB8 did. Group of girls behind me couldn't help go "awww" whenever he did anything super cute, like bumping into R2D2. I did too. Fucking cute robots...
There's a line in TFA that makes me think I know what series they'll do after rebels.
The lines about Kylo being trained by Luke, killing the other Jedi, new Jedi order, ect. I think it'll be Luke finding Ahsoka, Kanan, and Ezra and starting the new Jedi Academy pre episode 7. Eventually Not-Jacen shows up and at the end kills everyone.
I loved that
as far as I can tell, Kylo Ren pretty much just wore the mask because he thought it was cool. To me, it seemed like he wasn't a Sith, he was a Sith fanboy. Remember all the arguing about whether his light saber was shitty or not? It makes perfect sense if you imagine him as a pimply, wannabe goth kid: he doesn't care that it's crap, he just thinks it looks awesome. And to his credit, he's right, it looks pretty rad.
6 > 5 = 4 >= 7 >>>>> 3 > 2
and pretend 1 didn't happen
would have made things a lot easier if there had been more animated stuff of Legends shit before they called it quits. I would have watched a Solo Twins cartoon.
If we go by EU lifespans, Bossk should be still alive.
I think we might see the entire crew in Rogue One, though. Maybe some of the CW ones, even, I'd imagine Cad or Embo were active for a while afterwards and there was that scrapped arc with Cad and Boba in CW, wasn't there?
Actually I just want a single bounty hunter spinoff. Their stories were one of the few parts of the EU I liked, apart from Fett wankery.
The visual dictionary says Snap Wexley (One of the the Resistance pilots during the Starkiller assault) is from Akiva and the son of a "Y-Wing pilot who flew at the Battle of Endor"
What? I thought Temmin was Nora's only son? Then again Aftermath was so shit that I don't remember if she mentioned another kid or not.
>Sarco Plank wasn't the key after all
Who got a pic of Luke from TFA that shows that sxxxxxy silvery Qui Gon hair he rockin
Sarco Planc wasn't even the keyRING
Sarco Planc wasn't even the metal shavings on the floor of the key desk at Ace Hardware
Sarco Planc wasn't even on the premises of an Ace Hardware
Because the audience needs to be reminded that he has a robotic hand. The only reason he wore the black glove was because it was damaged and you could see the motors and servos inside it, which he no doubt repaired after the whole business with Vader. If he had a normal looking hand, the audience wouldn't know he has a prosthesis.
I think I was the most transarent guy in the theater. I think there was a neckbeard next too me I was bothering. I didn't give a fuck. I was throwing fists up and "yess"ing and expressing surprise at everything from "The garbage ship will do...camera pan to the Falcon" to "BEN!", and everything in between.
I was clutching myself every time the Falcon hit anything. I don't want anything irreparable happening to the old girl.
Just got back from TFA.
It was wonderful, very wonderful. The characters were all great, the action sequences were intense, the plot was predictable but good. It was a modern Star Wars movie that was actually good. It manages to surpass Revenge of the Sith, but IMO, doesn't quite get into OT territory.
Hoping Rian can hit it out of the park with Episode 8!
To be fair the entire thing wasn't even scanned yet, people are just repeating the same 3 facts from the entries about Hux, Kylo and the pirate because they were posted here. We don't even have the Finn, Rey and Phasma pages yet.
Considering Luke is the only one, it's not going to be an easy job getting the order back to what it was. Doesn't help that he seems to have no support but he likely doing that to himself.
Can someone explain why the 'Resistance' and the 'New Republic' were two separate things? Everything about how these two work is my only major story gripe with the film because there's next to no exposition on what they are or are even doing beyond the resistance apparently being the only force against the First Order. The Republic doesn't seem to be doing shit and has its own fleet, but wouldn't it logically be led by the Rebels after Jedi? Why did Leia leave it than instead of just leading it and a new actual fleet against the remnants of the empire? Why did the resistance's entire fleet compromise these 20 x-wings instead of any of the capital ships shown in Jedi?
It really bothers me because I don't even understand why we're supposed to care about the big dumb superweapon blowing up the Republic solar system, and it's so blase just how little thought is put into this one part of the story. Even with how little info the OT gave us about Alderaan we were invested in Leia's connection to the planet, and her despair at its destruction shone through well, but here Leia and the resistance are just like 'oh fuck, better hurry up or we're next!' despite billions more people probably dying from this.
Overall though the movie was still good, and as a whole movie was better than Jedi (while not reaching Jedi's highest points however).
We'll have plenty of comics, Rebels episodes, and Rogue One to keep us tied over until then.
I hope we get a Phasma comic series going forward in the future.
The republic would rather not engage in another war so they signed a treaty allowing the Empire remnants to fuck off in the corner and stay quiet. The resistance is against this and wants them gone but it has the backing of the republic in secret. Leia has also been tarnished and suffers a bad reptuation from those who want to ignore the FO and just get on with life. I agree though that it was very rushed over and ill explained. I don't want to have to rely on extra books to get the information
>beyond the resistance apparently being the only force against the First Order. The Republic doesn't seem to be doing shit and has its own fleet,
There's your answer. NR isn't concerned about the FO and the Resistance was formed out of people that were concerned.
The Visual Dictionary entry for R2 is sad as fuck.
>Seven decades old
>Starting to show his age
>Has made backups of his entire memory and he's secretly made copies of data he's accessed over the years
>Is in low power mode to organize and defragment it.
>This causes him to "dream" about his past adventures
Little dude literally put himself into a coma.
I knew Kylo Ren would be my favorite character simply because Darth Vader always has been, but man, Adam Driver really nailed it. Never seen him in anything before but he was great.
Post rumors that turned out to be bullshit.
>The movie's opening shot is Luke's severed hand holding a lightsaber floating through space
>Finn is Lando Calrissian's son
>Rey's staff is extremely important and is what Kylo Ren was searching for
>Perhaps Snoke should use a Clone Army?
I hope this is followed up in some way, shape or form in the future.
Cheering for the logo and the Falcon
Applause for Han and Chewie
Laughs for BB-8 thumbs up
A few women cheered for Ray schooling Kylo
Applause at the end
A lot of people stayed behind to see if there was anything at the end of the credits only to be met with a Bad Robot logo and the lights coming on.
Read these pages on the Senate and Leia. Basically:
>Episode 6 happens. Vader and Sidious are dead.
>Empire starts arguing over power.
>Jakku happens a year later.
>New Republic and Empire make a treaty to end the war. The Empire can't have an army or Star Destroyers. Mon Mothma is the new chancellor for the beginning of this age and they end up voting on a new chancellor and capital planet every few years.
>First Order starts fucking with the Outer Rim.
>New Republic votes to ignore them.
>Leia gets pissed and starts the Resistance to fight against the First Order.
New Republic is a legitimate government with its own territory separate from the First Order. Resistance is an armed insurgency against First Order rule within First Order territory that is receiving covert aid from the New Republic.
New Republic is USA. Resistance are Contras. Next movie we might get Bay of Pigs.
>The republic would rather not engage in another war so they signed a treaty allowing the Empire remnants to fuck off in the corner and stay quiet.
>Leia has also been tarnished and suffers a bad reptuation from those who want to ignore the FO and just get on with life.
When did the movie say this?
It wasn't in the movie was it.
> I don't want to have to rely on extra books to get the information
Fucking this, the prequels plot sucked because there was too much information and all the things that would actually make you care about the world and characters are in EU content that's often an over complicated mess. Wasn't the point of erasing it making it so that these new films could stand on their own with the EU being purely supplementary instead of needed to understand the basic conflict?
I also have a few pages from Incredible Cross Sections.
I believe so, yes. I imagine a big part of the rest of the trilogy is about Luke training Rey and along the way finding in himself the hope and confidence that he clearly seems to have lost after Kylo Ren went to the dark side and killed everyone. But we still don't actually know the full story on that and what led to it. It's easy to speculate that Luke will sacrifice himself, but I bet by the end of the trilogy a new Jedi Order will be founded, possibly with Rey leading it if Luke sacrifices himself at any point.
Cheers for every old cast member (even C-3PO), cheers for the opening titles, Laughs for the BB-8 thumbs up, and a few scattered laughs here and there (I think there was a few for the stormtroopers backing away)
What if they kill off R2?
...I don't think I could handle that.
I don't think I have a picture of its page.
I think the implication is that until the events of the movie, the New Republic and First Order were in a kind of cold war situation, with the Republic essentially funding the Resistance as a separate group of rebels working within the first order's territory rather than being in all out war with them. Hux hints at that in his speech. Kind of like the USA funding the Mujahideen to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan because they knew getting involved themselves would mean WW3.
Of course, that plan doesn't really work out for them when the First Order know what's going on and decide to perform a decapitation strike on the Republic with their brand new super weapon. I guess a new STAR WARS™ has begun.
post yfw we get Phasma clones to make up for lack of Christie action in TFA
Wow this explains quite a bit, why was there not a single bit of throwaway dialogue to at least imply any of this?
>New Republic and Empire make a treaty to end the war. The Empire can't have an army or Star Destroyers.
>Leia gets pissed and starts the Resistance to fight against the First Order.
This interests me especially because I was curious as to why the First Order only had one Star Destroyer. I really would've appreciated some throwaway lines from people like General Hux saying 'now we can continue the war against the Republic and build out fleet backup!' and Leia saying 'the Republic's full of cowards, so we're low on ships and support' or something. Not much in practice, but it really would've helped the world of the film since again, it felt like there was too little exposition compared to even the OT.
>The First Order values it's cadets rather than treating them as canon fodder
I like this, it adds weight to Kylo and the other stormtroopers yelling "Traitor."
The First Order is trying to do away with the personal gain system that the empire had in place.
So, I think Poe is a deep spy for the First Order/Snoke, or was replaced by a clone.
He said he always wanted to fly a tie fighter, but knew exactly how the weapons worked. How did he get off Jakku, and where was he when the ship crashed?
>The Resistance transports are basically big B-Wings
>This interests me especially because I was curious as to why the First Order only had one Star Destroyer.
It was mentioned on the Kylo Ren page in the visiual dictionary that it was made in secret in violation on a secret base. There's a lot of cool information they left out
Could Snoke by extension be trying to do away with the concept that Sith are only about personal gain? I mean that's what's been holding them back for so long with the Rule of Two (which appears to be more of a guideline most of the time)
I know but I'm still scared it would happen
I was, all the opening crawl said was that the Republic and Resistance are two separate things without saying why Leia left the Republic or that there was a peace treaty between the Republic and the First Order. Hux's speech I don't remember as much but I don't recall him stating 'after this peace we were forced to make, we shall continue the war' or whatever, he just talked about destroying the Republic in very broad terms. I really liked that scene though otherwise because the speech and the Hitler salute the Stormtroopers did were the cheesiest thing in the film.
Now that's some pretty cool extra info.
Laughing at the jokes mainly. The biggest moments being the stormtroopers bailing on Ren and Threepio interrupting Han and Leia's moment.
I'm surprised there was applause at the end since I've never experienced that with a movie before here.
That would certainly make for an interesting sub-plot, and could add some moral ambiguity.
Seeing Snoke as evil and redeeming at the same time could make him a very interesting character.
The New Republic is a governing body for the parts of the empire that the resistance liberated in the past, with its own grand navy based out of a single system.
The Resistance is the same old Rebellion Resistance who did not chooses to end the fight once the empire was broken, but still fights to anhilate the main remaining fragment, the remnant that is the New Order in the Outer Rim.
The New Republic does not want to fight the First Order yet if at all, just having left a brutal period of subjugation and a short war that saw entire planets vaporized, so the covertly fund The Resistence to keep the First Order in check.
Not covertly enough, or in check enough, it turns out.
OH thank the Maker, I thought we were in for two fucking year wait.
That was probably my biggest "complaint" of the movie. Snoke and Luke are such a huge fucking cocktease I really want to know what happens next.
>the stormtroopers bailing on Ren
That was almost Robot Chichenesque. In a good way.
No so much "redeeming" as "trying to make practical". Like he's trying to rebuild the Sith like Luke rebuilt the Jedi.
Something something poetry.
Chewie is quite the ladykiller it seems.
According to the books Aftermath and Lost Stars, the Rebels set up the New Republic and the senate on Chandrila but after wrecking the Empire hard at Jakku, a treaty is signed that basically splits the galaxy in half with the Empire still controlling Coruscant but neither side engaged in open war anymore. Mon Mothma literally dissolves the military and leaves every planet in the New Republic to form their own defense militias, essentially the same as it was before the Clone Wars. This angers many of the military leaders who feel the war should continue because the Empire is still a threat, so it would seem some went off on their own to continue operating like the Rebel Alliance. Meanwhile, the majority of the Imperial Fleet/military decides to go sneak off and hide somewhere far away and try to rebuild in secret. The only thing I'm unclear about there is whether or not the Empire as a whole agreed to that plan or if, who I'm assuming is Snoke, decided to go rogue and create his own splinter faction from the military force he was able to assemble, leaving the actual Empire nearly defenseless.
She's definitely the new Boba Fett.
Jobbed harder then Fett did in Return too.
Mostly quiet. My group watched, there was some laughter here and there as appropriate, no clapping at the end.
There was a young woman, early 20s probably, who screamed when you know who got you know whatted by you know who.
He was this guy, but with a beard apparently.
Parkman from Heroes and apparently a childhood friend of Abrams
>Mon Mothma literally dissolves the military and leaves every planet in the New Republic to form their own defense militias, essentially the same as it was before the Clone Wars.
Is Mon Mothma the biggest retard in this series?
Did Boba DO anything when he first showed up, or was he just in the shadows as well. I can't recall. But I'm pretty pissed Phasam didn't do literally anything in this movie besides get football tackled by a wookie. Ow.
But then I thought to myself, wait, did the Almighty Too Awesome Fett do anything his first time either?