Rei Ayanami Thread #117

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Postan

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Happy birthday to the best girl to ever girl.

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Country Reichan found a salamander!

Merry Reimass!

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>>2870747
Kek, what's that from? Context?

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>>2870749
My friend coined an idea, It's just a happy Rei in farmers clothing holding a cute smiling giant japanese salamander.
Because it's silly and cute.

>>2870750
Its cute as hell.

Also nice image, haven't seen it before.

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>>2870756
No idea where it's from, I found these on Sankakucomplex

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Gonna dump some of the birthday images for this day

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Dunno if this is from this year?

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Rei and Bulbasour

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I really liked this one

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This appears to be a site dedicated to eyepatches.

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dat cultural influence Rei...

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Ignore the ugly cunt on the left.

There may be more, but I'll need to fetch it.

so did we just like pick a random day or something?

happy bday rei

I love you, Rei. One second late, sorry.

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tfw best grill

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>>2871061

>>2870868
Its an unofficial day. It is Megumis birthday, so it got hijacked. It is because they refused to give Rei a canon birthday.

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>>2870868
The Album "The Birthday of Rei Ayanami" came out on the 30th of March, that in itself isn't enough to concretely say that the 30th is her birthday but it's the closest we have.

It's worth listening to if you haven't already, it's just music relevant to her and some of the stuff by Megumi Hayashibara. The song below is also really nice, it's from the "NGE Decade" album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q12qncBLYwI

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>>2871078
Its not only Mugumi's BD but also a day when they released "THE BIRTHDAY OF REI AYANAMI" and we can consider the fact that every other character shares their BD with their VA.

So I think its just more than simply hijacking Mugumi's BD or picking a random date.

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Rate Rei on a scale of 1-10 where 1 is best girl and 10 is best girl.

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Daily reminder that Anno is a psychically unstable, sexually submissive beta male cuck who wants to establish radical feminism in Japan by attacking glorious traditional maiden Rei Ayanami and promote aggressive, unaesthetic, unfeminine, domninant role model of a disgusting cunt bitch named Asuka Langley.

Is it ok if I want to cook for Rei and serve her as her own servant?

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>>2871162
>t to cook for Rei
Yes
>>2871162
>servant?
NO
Women despise cucks and betas instinctively.
Stop being a faggot.

>>2871160
I think that's going too far. If he wanted that, he'd come much farther by establishing Rei Ayanami as as increasingly more assertive person, much like in NGE where she also attains godhood at the end, by also destroying the series ultimate patriarch and villain Gendo.

Rather his new direction has been stealing Rei's divine spark and giving it to other characters.

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>>2871169

ANNO: "I'm surprised. In Japan, the overwhelming favorite is Rei. They can't handle strong women such as Misato and Asuka"

His statement speaks for itself. Referring to Rei as "weak" just because she does never act like a bitch, unlike the other mentioned characters. Saying that Japanese people "can't handle" "strong women" - as we all know that unlike America and Europe, East Asia in general (and Japan in particular) is perhaps the only region in the world that (still) wasn't completely brainwashed by feminist ideas. "Can't handle" is lol, by the way. A man who has self-respect and confidence will never waste his time trying to "handle" woman who is about to treat him like shit. He leaves them to masochistic feminist cucks (see Anno).

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>>2871120
Wtf is wrong with her face

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Mari is included in this pic because apparently, she has no birth date either.

>>2871181
I believe Anno said that because he wants to portray Rei as "weak", seeing that he wrote Rei as a strong character.

>>2871194
It's teh Rei, what did you expect?

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>>2871194
That's just this artist's style, I really like his stuff otherwise but the way he draws her face can look real odd.

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>Rei is actually fucking sexy in ANIMA
>those tits and ass

fugg

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>>2871443
She was hot in the original series. Pretty big tits and ass for a 14 year old

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>>2871458
Well, in NGE she's petite by anime standards. Rei is about a C or D cup, Asuka is a B and Misato is about D or greater. Rei in ANIMA though, she's a G.

>tfw you will never see what Rei looks like when she's a young adult.

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>>2871463
She would be petite by grown woman standards, but by pretty much anyone's standards C-D is pretty damn big for a 14 year old. How old is she in Anima?

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>>2871471
I think she's 17. I think the reason why Rei and Asuka get huge tits in anima is because of curse of eva, which is different than rebuild where they are stuck in a teenage body for eternity.

Rei even has a loli clone in it as well.

Happy Birthday Rei.

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>>2871443
fugg

Best girl!

>>2871658
>>2871443
Not Rei.

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>>2871463
>tfw you will never see what Rei looks like when she's a young adult.

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Man this would've been so relevant a day ago.

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>>2871761
>he doesn't like rei with huge tits

>>2872085
I'm not opposed, but it ain't Rei still.

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>>2872084
Next year

>>2872084
The Fool is not really a fool in the usual sense of word.

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>>2872300
Huh, I have that figurine.

Rei is only like 9 years old, right? So this would be her 12th birthday?

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>>2871761
>>2872085
big tits Rei

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>>2871463
>>2871471
>>2872448
Rei is around a 28E, which is the same cup size as a 32C on a much smaller frame.

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>>2871443
>>2871463
>>2871658
>>2872448
L-lewd

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>>2871474
Ew.
Why does Shinji have long hair?

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>>2871181
>Can't handle strong women such as Asuka

But Asuka's not strong. She's a weak, vulnerable, insecure spoiled brat that uses the facade of being a bitch to put up a front so she *looks* strong. Internal strength and the *appearance* of internal strength, are two entirely different things. Rei follows orders, yes, but she embraces what she is (See the books she's reading on genetics at the beginning of the series) and when push comes to shove, she's not above defying orders to pursue her own agenda (Giant Rei), even if it means placing her trust in a psychologically broken and wounded boy to do so.

Asuka never trusted anyone other than herself.

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>>2872554
I think she just needs a hug

>>2872554
>she's not above defying orders to pursue her own agenda (Giant Rei)
Rei also defied orders during the Zeurel (used Eva 00/N2 mine without permission), Armisael (ignored order to retreat) and Bardiel (refused to fire at Toji) sorties. It's surprising how often she does it.

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>>2872555
She (At least if you're referring to Asuka) needs much, MUCH more than a hug. She needs help, but she has to seek it on her own accord, because she just pushes everyone that wants to help away. Asuka's built up an entire crystal cathedral to her own superiority, in an effort to compensate for the fact that she feels so very small and so alone in this world. It looks magnificent on the outside, but it's fragile as spun glass and barren and empty on the inside. That's why she pushes everyone away, because the moment the slightest crack appears in the facade, it all comes tumbling down (Tumbling down, tumbling dowww~wn...sorry, I couldn't help myself); she can't risk anyone fracturing the only thing holding her ego intact. There's a reason I dislike Asuka so much, even as I understand her so well...it's because I used to *be* a male equivalent of her, in my younger years, and am well aware of the process that leads to those psychological defense mechanisms, as well as what they lead to, as an end result.

In the case of Rei, however, I agree. Best girl can get a hug, anytime. Oddly enough, the girl who isn't even, genetically at least, entirely human, is the most well-adjusted and psychologically healthy of them all. Go figure.

>>2872560
>>2872555
>>2872554
Hugs for Rei! Hangings for Asuka!

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>>2872560
Yeah but hugs cure everything.

Asuka is a shit show but that's why people love her I think. Shes over confident and such contrast to the rest of the cast.

>>2872626
Nah, people """like""" asuka because she's guaranteed pandering.

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>>2872624
I wouldn't say the rope is necessary for the Red Oni. But she definitely needs help.

>>2872626
They (Hugs) would definitely make things a bit better for her, assuming she could bring herself to accept them, that is. It would probably lead to a breakdown-point, in all honesty. As for why she's so sensational, I honestly think it's because people see the sensationalism and the false confidence, and don't care to see past it. They just go "Yeah! Kick their ass, Red!" without considering the scared, insecure little girl underneath.

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Most of the girls in evangelion seem far too fucked up and have several screws lose, but Rei is one of the few who seem to have their head on straight

>Asukafags attack Reifags for mentioning Asuka when relevant to the conversation
>while they've let their thread die multiple times through inactivity because they're so focused on attacking Rei

Really activates the almonds...

>>2873018
Apparently, since the one person that could have saved the Asuka thread was busy attacking the Rei thread.

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>>2873018
>Implying two people would ever like that bitch

>>2870811
So sweet


We need more Rei+Yui

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I notice Asukafags start losing their minds when ever someone mentions the relationship between the 3 pilots is mentioned, Shinji and Rei's close friendship and how Asuka is jealous of them and is stalking them a few times. Its rather hilarious.

>>2873604
Rei is a shitty character

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>>2873504
>implying one person would ever like this abomination

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>>2873604
I think you're talking just about AsuShin fans, because not all Asukafags dislike Shinji and Rei's friendship.

I really love Asuka, but hate AsuShin pairing and don't mind saving cute pictures of Rei and Shinji together.

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Let's not discuss it here then. There's an Asuka thread for you to vent your troubles in, Asukafag.

>>2873577
She's about to snap her neck though.

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>>2873872
My apologies. I didn't intend to start any kind of debate here. Just wanted to clarify that not all of Asuka fans suport her toxic relationship with Shinji, or that not all of us hate Rei.

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>>2872985
>>2873639
Why are you here ¿?

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>>2873913
>>2873708
This is what I mean, Asuka fans are really touchy about it. They were sperging out on /a/ yesterday, but got BTFO by Anno poster.

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>>2873913
I get that, it's just hard to see evidence of some times. Particularly on /a/ there's been a few insistent Asuka and Kaworu fans which hate on Rei every chance they get, which somewhat colors their fanbases.

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What a qt

>>2870736
Ayanami looks great in normal clothes.

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>>2874249
Indeed

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>>2873708
Same here, it's so abusive and I don't see the good in it. And of course no one thinks all Asukafags are like that, every fandom has a few bad apples.

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>>2874606
Well that's kind of the point of the anime, everyone is too fucked up beyond repair and none are capable of love. Except Rei of course.

>>2874607
>when the purple dank hits

Any good picture of Rei in a LCL tank?

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>>2875507

>>2875532
qt

>>2875615
>>>/b/

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>>2875507

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>>2875833
Fuck off. I asked for pictures of Rei, not """Rei""" you shithead. Rei Q is not Rei.

>>2875833
>retard has vision of best girl

>>2875833
>ReiQ sees Rei
a ha, so you admit Rei Q isn't Rei then?

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Emotions are prohibited.

>>2876157
Toobie is not for lewd.
Shes for grateful ballet dancing

>>2876778
>>2876793
Good, filtering out the good from the bad.

Rei has a really punchable face.

>>2876778
This picture reminds me why I love her.

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>>2876778
Have a wallpaper.

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>>2877438
Nice

>>2877442
>>2877438
This is very orthordox

>>2877442
I would shoot Gwyreivere with my soul arrow if you know what I mean.

>>2877445
The rose window and pointed arches are gothic.

I have a question my senpaitachi, i just finished EoE and came here; and i really liked Rei. But what's this thread for? Should i jerk off to this thread? Should i look at pictures and think how beatiful she is? But most of this pictures are from third party artists and look nothing like her
i'm sorry guys this is my first anime help me

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>>2877884
We appreciate Reichan, collect all the good art thats new, repost old quality art, and theres a couple artist visiting sometimes.

>>2877884
This thread is for sharing worksafe pictures of Rei and talking about Rei. Welcome!

>>2877894
>>2877905
collecting art of a character is really new for me, which i kind of think a bit weird, thanks anons
also asuka is shit :^)

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Made a transparent Rei from >>2873985

>>2878215
Made a shit image tolerable too.

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>>2876078
Rei Q is Rei but she doesn't have her complete soul.

Shinji will help her with that in 3.0 + 1.0.

>>2878552
We've been over this. No complete soul, no Rei.

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Reminder that Quarter "Misatofag" Soul was constantly lying about being a Reifag and never successfully argued a single thing he posted.

Mr. Misatofag: You were able to accept that

- The ability of telepathy doesn't make anyone the same as Rei.

You did that in an earlier thread. But you're still stuck on accepting that picking up a SDAT doesn't mean a character is Rei. Shinji, Rei, Kaworu, Gendo may all pick up or own a SDAT, but that does not mean they are Rei Ayanami.

We need you to be honest and accept the rules of argumentation and debate. When you have no arguments, you concede.

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>>2878809
>We need you to be honest and accept the rules of argumentation and debate.

zzzzzz

All cats are mammals
Not all mammals are cats

Rei Q is a telepath (with Shinji)
Not all telepaths are Rei

This isn't even Logic 101. This is common sense kindergartners understand. But I guess if you have nothing else to cling to you use the only thing you can.

Also what is with bringing up Misato all the time? You have to worship Rei and hate every other character to join the club?

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>>2879202
It is Logic 101, and you have nothing. We have some mammals running around but they aren't all cats because of that, which kills your previous argumentation.

>Also what is with bringing up Misato all the time? You have to worship Rei and hate every other character to join the club?
PLEASE, you obviously fucking hate Rei with your year-long crusade against the character and the fans of it. I can only say that you're so full of hate that even if you were presented with a "Misato Q" yourself so you'd see how disgusting Rei Q is, you'd still not be able to sympathize and understand.

Unlike you, the rest and I do like all the characters including Misato for what they are. Why the fuck else would you come here, pretend to be a Rei fan, and then promote the worst thing that has happened to the character ever? You've been explained dozens of times by dozens of people why Rei Q is a direct assault on Rei's character that cannot be fixed ever in Rebuild. Yet here you fucking are, you fucking misery leech.

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I love Rei

>>2879610
Not Rei but I'm sure she would take your mistake as a compliment.

>>2878718
But Rei 2 didn't have a complete soul

>>2879735
There's quite literally nothing saying that she didn't.

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>>2879923
There is the theory of Rei 1 losing part of her soul to Unit - 00 which I assume is what they're referring to but even said theory is true it would be irrelevant to the Q debate, even if she possessed part of Rei's soul she would not be the Rei we knew.

Assuming that some of 1's soul was lost to Unit - 00, what's left with 2 is what we know as Rei, even if it's incomplete compared to Rei 1. We see 2 throughout the vast majority of the story compared to 1 who is barely present. So if we're to see them as separate characters by virtue of possessing different amounts of the complete soul there's no question that 2 defines who we know as Rei Ayanami in the Rebuilds.

Going off this logic Q would require the "full" soul of 2 in order to be considered the continuation of the same character (like 3 in NGE), which she plainly doesn't.

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>>2880429
That theory (EVA00 one) is simply a popularly fanwanked theory, and isn't actual canon, nor is it supported in any of the spinoffs, not that they matter anyway. Like you say, true or not, it doesn't matter.

On a broader perspective, portraying Rei like this is a direct assault on the character and regardless of what they wank up, I will disregard it like the utter trash it is.

>>2880434
Yeah I think the matter of Unit - 00 is left too ambiguous to really agree with the theory myself, just trying to see it from their perspective and then explain why it still wouldn't factor into Q's case.

>>2880437
"Their" perspective is just to pick any interpretation which shits on Rei the most. Rebuild and most things post-EVA are complete retcons of the original universe so there's literally no point in pretending they're the same.

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Rei looks fucking weird in the Rebuilds.

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>>2880442
Her design in those bullet hell games went really off the rails.

>>2878718
>>2879923
>>2880434
>>2880438
Jesus christ go away Soulshitter

>>2880429
I'm pretty sure Rei 2 only had half of the soul, because who else would be Unit 00's pilot? She saw herself in the unit so it makes the most sense.
Then when the unit is destroyed she gets her full soul back, it explains the change in behavior and why Rei 2 never remembered her life as Rei 1.

>>2880523
Don't bother reasoning with him, he'll call you Katawa and tell you to go back to Evageeks.

>>2880523
It's possible for sure, but like I said I just personally find the whole situation there too vague to say for sure, which is why I didn't outright dismiss it either and went through with the entire post from that point of view. Also in regards to her shift in personality towards the end of the show I just see that as a natural development for her and not necessarily something that needed to be jumpstarted through regaining the missing portion of her soul.

Also her missing memories of 1 could just be her taking the body swap especially hard given how young she was and that it was her first time. I mean we see in the transition from 2 to 3 that going from body to body affected her last memories in the former body, so this could be the exact same thing that happened with her first swap, just less severe as a result of her getting older/tougher and more capable in handling it.

>>2880527
I don't see how I came off as the kind of person who'd throw out petty insults like that, sorry for giving off that impression anyway.

I love you rei.

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Have a good Easter my fellow /c/itizens.

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>>2880564
Still there is exactly nothing in the entire evangelion-series that substantiates that part of Rei's soul is in EVA00. There's nothing that says that Rei doesn't remember her life as Rei I either. In fact it's pretty much a guarantee that she does, because like Ritsuko says:

-Rei lived in the basement at NERV as a child, and as Ritsuko says it has made an impression on her, to the point where she models her apartment after it later (as Rei II).

- There is also how Rei goes over how she's replaceable, which is something she wouldn't know if she hadn't been killed once.

There aren't any missing memories at all here.

(Also, >>2880527 and >>2880521 is the same autist that tried to start shit by counter-attacking the Asukafags. Everyone hates him and he got banned, now he's back apparently.)

>>2880523
See above, it's not a thing.

>>2880770
Like pottery, soulshitter is still here and he's still calling everyone else Katawa.

>>2880770
>>2880564
These. It pisses me off that the Rei-hating misatofag "quartersoul" keeps popping in to spout his bullshit without backing it up.

>>2880922
Rei Q being Rei is total bullshit but Rei II not only having a portion of Rei's soul can only be denied through the craziest mental gymnastics and fanwankery on the same tier as Qshitter.

>>2880931
Now you're just being silly. Where was it said that Rei II only has part of her soul? I don't think that's said or hinted anywhere, if anything the migrating soul of Lilith means there's just one. None of the clones have souls.

>>2880963
Correct, Rei's soul and Lilith's soul are one and the same. However, after Rei I's murder, the soul was split in two, the first half going to Rei II and the second going to Unit-00.

This can be proven from multiple parts of the series:
When Shinji enters Unit-00, he sees demented and distorted versions of her

When Unit-00 berserks the first time, Ritsuko highly suspects that it was chasing after her. Also note how her hair before the murder was brown, and she dyed it blonde on purpose. Just a fashion choice? Maybe, maybe not. It's not in Ritsuko's personality to make such frivolous choices, is it?

After the death of Rei and destruction of Unit-00 there is a massive personality change, with Rei being much more defiant and daring. This is something Rei I and Rei III share in common that Rei II lacks.

We know that soulsplitting is completely plausible because of Kyoko, therefore it is entirely reasonable from the points above to infer that Rei II only has part of the full Lilith soul.

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>>2880970
>This can be proven
>proven

Well, that's the problem. If Shinji "sees" Rei, then that isn't proof of any split soul. Consider that he also sees Rei in episode 1. What exactly Shinji "sees" or rather, feels, is something he doesn't think is Rei. Truth is, since they were experimenting with copying Rei Ayanami's personality or thinking patterns and in that very moment testing that, it might be the new dummy plug tech they are working on. That was the purpose of the test after all.

I say that one is safely debunked.

>When Unit-00 berserks the first time, Ritsuko highly suspects that it was chasing after her. Also note how her hair before the murder was brown, and she dyed it blonde on purpose. Just a fashion choice? Maybe, maybe not. It's not in Ritsuko's personality to make such frivolous choices, is it?

It obviously is, this is the woman with toy cats on her desk. Also this is a real stretch tying an extremely normal thing (woman dying her hair) with someone's soul being split. This is just in-character for Ritsuko, she's always completely fucking afraid of the EVA's, in the episode before she was having a mini-breakdown about "what they copied from the antarctic".

Safely debunked as well.

>After the death of Rei and destruction of Unit-00 there is a massive personality change, with Rei being much more defiant and daring. This is something Rei I and Rei III share in common that Rei II lacks.

Rei doesn't lack "defiant" or "daring", refer to the instance where she refuses to back down against either Zeruel or Armisael, or when she stands up to Asuka. The "personality change" is what you'd expect from having been in a traumatic accident and then recovering.

There is nothing tying any "soul split" with the original Rei character. If anything for Rei, the immutability of her soul is placed a strong emphasis on by showing how she still is "Rei" despite dying and being reincarnated.

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>>2880970
>>2880979
(cont)

It'll always be unreasonable to infer that Rei's soul was split simply because there exists another theory that Kyoko's was. It does not follow. Because A happens person 1, A did not necessarily happen to person 2. In fact, if I am not mistaken, the idea of "soul divisibility" for Kyoko is not even a proper fact either, but yet another fan theory.

Ritsuko mentions that there's just one Rei Ayanami in episode 23 as well, and no single character, glossary, book or extra bit of canon related to the original series have made the reference to Rei's soul or part of it being inside EVA00. There is however plenty of contextual evidence to infer that what is inside EVA00 is simply prototype dummy plug tech, nothing more.

Particularly the "died hair" theory is reprehensible and a remnant of some idiot's thinking from a long time ago that should be dismissed like the trash it is.

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>>2880922
I admit I am unable to defeat the all-powerful "nuh-uh" strategy.

That said, deep down we both know what pisses you off is that you know Rei is in Rebuild 3 and Shinji helping Rei Q get her complete soul back will be the story of Rebuild 4.

You know the mental link between Rei Q and Shinji was completely backed up and the only thing that explains it in story is that it was formed when Shinji tried to save her soul at the end of Rebuild 2.

You know the importance of the SDAT music player is completely backed up and all the talk about it being insignificant or that Rei Q left it in the red desert at the end of Rebuild 3 was total nonsense.

Just how insecure do you have to get about an obsession with a fictional character to not only ban pictures of Rei Q (not that you have any right to make rules here) but now you won't even "allow" pictures of Rei Q even if "your" Rei is also there.

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>>2881087
You invented the "nuh-uh" strategy dimwit, and we do not deign ourselves to copying you. There is plenty of argumentation for you to sink your teeth in, but you refuse because you know it's more than you can chew. So instead of accepting that you're flat-out wrong, you keep repeating yourself with:

>muh mental link
>muh SDAT

even though we've pioneered all of these terminologies since before 3.33 was even out, only to be decried by retards such as yourself. Only now when it's advantageous to Rei-haters such as yourself do you begin looking into it. You are still, as always, missing the very soul and core issue of the problem:

Rei Q is not Rei Ayanami in spirit, soul, consciousness or physical existence. We've been over the facts, that you fanwank a "mental link", a "SDAT" connection means nothing because neither of them, not when put together or viewed independently, define what makes a person and much less Rei Ayanami herself.

>b-but u banned rei q
I didn't ban shit, nor did I even try to promote the banning of rei q with rei pictures. The thread gestalt did, as do other rei fans worldwide as an expression of our distaste for the insult that is Rei Q. Consciously or subconsiously in the Evangelion fan mind, Rei Q will never be Rei because at the heart everyone, yes even you, know that Rei Q exists purely as an insult directed towards Rei Ayanami.

Your theories and participation in this thread is nothing but an excuse to shit on Rei Ayanami, as is the whole of neo-Evangelion coming out from Khara. You are an asshole and you give above all Misato fans a bad name.

This is why you've been ignoring EVERY SINGLE POST that picks your so-called "argument" apart, even though it's far more than you deserve. The threads past are littered with posts that have zero replies from you, only for you to resurface with another butthurt comment. You have utterly failed to understand the situation, the problem, and the reason behind everything you've seen.

>>2880979
Except that Unit-00 had no Dummy Plug tech in it at the time. Therefore that would be stretching it, and, as I already predicted, mental gymnastics.

That "what they copied from the arctic" was not her being paranoid about the Eva chasing after her. False equivalency. There is a huge difference between asking if a monster is a threat to you due to insanity or if the monster is a threat to you due to a personal grudge. Also note that she is more disgusted than terrified in your example than mine.

I should have been more specific, the key was "more defiant towards an authority figure". The traumatic incident argument is completely irrelevant because someone undergoing a body change doesn't remember what happened in their previous shell. Therefore, more mental gymnastics.

>>2880982
That wasn't proof that it DID happen, that was proof that it could have happened. It was making the theory entirely plausible through undeniable canon proof.

In comparison, there is absolutely nothing stating that an Eva can have dummy plug tech as its soul, especially considering that a dummy plug IS SOULLESS. Do you not see the irony in that or are you just so in denial that you'll keep doing mental gymnastics to fuel your cognitive dissonance?

This of course was all predicted a long time ahead in >>2880931.

>>2881165
To addon to the fact that you are delusional and know nothing of what you talk about, allow me to point out glaring flaws in your argument.

>>2880979
Dummy plugs are a simple copy of the test subject's neural patterns. They contain no personality and merely emulate the existence of a pilot in order for the Eva to work on an effective autopilot. This gives a huge crack on the wall that is your dummy plug idea, because what Shinji saw in Unit-00 was NOT just simple neural patterns.

Toying with cheap ceramic cats that probably cost no less than a dollar and consistently dyeing your hair frequently are entirely different. More false equivalency. The fact that she commits to the latter despite being a workaholic shows that she does place a certain urgency into it and therefore implies that it could be due to something major, like, if per my theory, secondhand guilt.

You're missing the fact that the transition between each shell is not a death. Rei's soul never dies at all in the series, save maybe the very end of EOE.

>>2880982
You're also missing the fact that soul splitting does not mean that there are multiple souls, just like cutting a cake in half does not give you two cakes.

And just because someone attempted to use an argument poorly in the past, does not dismiss its proper usage in a modern context. Consider your dummy plug bullshit belonging in the trash over that.

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>>2881170
>(((Soul faggot)))
Not even once.

Holy shit just stop talking to him.
If he comes here to talk and we dont want him perhaps you shouldnt give him what he wants.

>>2881245
He comes here regularly and shows no sign of ceasing I'm afraid.

Really, he's just Qshitter 2.0 in denial.

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>>2881249
Maybe it has something to do with somebody feeding him every time?

Maybe it can change if we stop?

>>2881253
Maybe, but newfags who are unaware of his cancerous presence come in and bring up or trod near the question and trigger his antics. See >>2879735.

Of course, the majority of us know or at least are very certain that Rei II had an incomplete soul. But this retard here is incredibly zealous that his mental gymnastics are accurate, and therefore spergs out at every mention that Unit-00 contained part of Rei's soul.

There's nothing you can do about it unfortunately, because it sort of is an inevitable question.

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>>2881258
>Of course, the majority of us know or at least are very certain that Rei II had an incomplete soul. But this retard here is incredibly zealous that his mental gymnastics are accurate, and therefore spergs out at every mention that Unit-00 contained part of Rei's soul.

Theres absolutely nothing suggesing that.

To the contrary We know for sure theres no such thing as Rei's own/original/Rei 1 soul.

We know it for sure because Akagi says it
>Clones dont have souls
>Dummie plugs / reiclones dont have souls
>EVAs dont have their own souls.
Souls in EVA come from Gauf's room apparently when people have a child in a natural way, clones dont get souls.

So Rei 1 was a dummie clone, got animated by Lilith's soul and the same exact thing happened to Rei 2 and 3.

Theres nothing at all suggesing that souls can even be partial. Nothing ever says that there can be such thing as a half of the soul or a quarter of it.

Theres no such thing as an in complete soul in EVA.

>>2881258
>>2881253
>>2881249
>>2881245
Hey, quit replying to yourself just because people disagree with you. Let the adults talk please.

>>2881305
>We know for sure theres no such thing as Rei's own/original/Rei 1 soul
Yes we do, it's called Lilith's soul. Rei and Lilith are the exact same entity.

>We know it for sure because Akagi says it
She says that the Rei shells do not have souls. This is because they are waiting to be used in the Dummy Plug system or as more spare parts for Rei.

>Souls in EVA come from Gauf's room apparently when people have a child in a natural way
False. Eva souls are from the parent (which consistently seems to be the mother) of the future pilot, when the parent has a contact experiment allowing them to transfer their soul from their body to the Eva.

>Theres nothing at all suggesing that souls can even be partial
See Kyoko Sorhyu, who you've been conviently ignoring the entire time and have been for months.

>Theres no such thing as an in complete soul in EVA
So therefore Rei II has a partial soul?

Fantastic cognitive dissonance.

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>>2881314
I'm sorry, what were you saying?

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>>2881317
>Yes we do, it's called Lilith's soul. Rei and Lilith are the exact same entity
Thats my point. Some circlejerk fagboys say "its Rei 1 original soul in 00" which is wrong.
>>2881317
>False.
I mean in EVA universe setting, not in Evangelion units.
Same shit as I'm saying again.
>>2881317
>See Kyoko Sorhyu,
How do you know what she really is?
Maybe she's entirely soulless just like dummie plug zombie/clones?
Dummie clones seem to be alive, response to stimulus and dummie Plugs seem to express massive brutally see both fights when they were used (dummie Rei against Toji and dummie Kaworu against Asuka in EOE).
Maybe Kyoko was reduced to a completely soulless state.
>in complete soul in EVA
>So therefore Rei II has a partial soul?

SHE HAS THE WHOLE THING YOU FUCKING MONGOLOID.
REI 2 WAS 100% REI, IN FACT THERES NO SUCH THING AS REI 1, 2 AND 3 THEY ARE SAME EXACT ENTITY EXCEPT FOR Q WHO IS NOTHING AT ALL.

that also reduces Soul faggot argument about parts of souls to nothing.
And Q is just a fucking dummie clone without one shred of a soul.

It is fantastic how you read all I wrote, didnt understand it one bit, and argue for the same thing as I did.

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>>2881165
>Except that Unit-00 had no Dummy Plug tech in it at the time.
Actually, no. They were testing the technology at the time, in the episode. Rewatch it. They are testing whether or not it'll be feasible to implement the dummy plug strategy for other EVA's. They say this in the episode, with the test data they get from ep 14 they can start implementing the dummy plug plan, and soon after, the first dummy plug for use with other EVA's is made at NERV with Rei as a base.

>That "what they copied from the arctic" was not her being paranoid about the Eva chasing after her. False equivalency.
The only false equivalency here is your implication that I made it out to be. The point is to showcase that Ritsuko has on more than one occasion shown fear of the EVA's and the technology behind them. Hence Ritsuko suspecting that it's after her as a chief scientist, is not out of the question. She does it again in episode 23 when she rants about "finding god" and the EVA's as well.

Women dying their hair is not abnormal in any country on the earth. It doesn't require a personal grudge. In fact that Ritsuko dyes her hair is better explained by the relationship the two had, as it's made clear that there is some distance between Naoko and Ritsuko, which even climaxes in the moment the computer-version of Naoko chooses Gendo over Ritsuko - just like the original Naoko did.

If you want to look at it rationally, look instead at who the series actually puts center stage when EVA00 attacks the command centre - Gendo and Rei. Facts are that EVA00 is shown itself to be in pain, and once it has stopped punching at Gendo and Rei, it starts trying to almost kill itself by bashing it's own head in.

More importantly, if it was Rei I, Ritsuko would have at least thought "she" and not "EVA00", or at least mentioned Rei by name to herself personally. She didn't.

This is more compelling evidence from the directing than an insane theory about Ritsuko dying her hair.

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>>2881170
>>2881328
(cont)
>Dummy plugs are a simple copy of the test subject's neural patterns. [....] This gives a huge crack on the wall that is your dummy plug idea, because what Shinji saw in Unit-00 was NOT just simple neural patterns.

Shinji didn't see anything - he felt something. The shot towards Rei in that scene is directorial, the point is that Shinji feels there's something like Rei in there, but quite not like her. This is consistent with there being a simple copy of her neural patterns. The glossary of the official NGE release backs this up with the "Dummy Plug" explanation, that is it uses the same points: "that it is made like Rei, but it's not like Rei at all..." . Same thing Shinji feels.

>Rei's soul never dies at all in the series, save maybe the very end of EOE.
Not in EoE either, in fact she as a being at that point transcends time and space.

>You're also missing the fact that soul splitting does not mean that there are multiple souls, just like cutting a cake in half does not give you two cakes.
It gives you two pieces of cake, which can be served on two plates.

>And just because someone attempted to use an argument poorly in the past, does not dismiss its proper usage in a modern context. Consider your dummy plug bullshit belonging in the trash over that.

You're still arguing it poorly today, and FYI the "dummy rei" is a theory far more consistent with the actual facts from the show, and doesn't rely on literally insane mental gymnastics linking together the color of a womans hair and a giant man monstrosity. You have no right to claim anyone is practicing "mental gymnastics" as long as the strongest argument you have is putting a womans decision to dye her hair under suspicion, despite the fact that it's perfectly in-character to do so. You are insane and probably don't belong in this thread.

The facts remain that EVA00 does not work like the other EVA's. This is made explicit with NGE2. Rei is Lilith, a Seed of Life.

>>2881327
Why are you directly assuming that I am one of these people?

If she was a mindless zombie she wouldn't retain aspects of her personality (as seen with the doll), furthermore, that wouldn't explain why Unit-02 in EOE quoted what the insane Kyoko said.

The dummy plugs in comparison are only ever seen giggling. That is entirely different from actually having memories or a personality.

Once again, the dummy plugs are just simple neural emulations of the subject's combat. There is a huge reason why Unit-01 under plug control and Unit-00 fight entirely differently: Rei's personality is what holds it back from being the savage beast the plug is.

I like how you call me a mongoloid, yet you claim bullshit like Kyoko being soulless even though she very clearly has memories of Asuka and very clearly has a personality, and somehow think that this is equivalent to the Rei shells giggling.

You truly are a special kind of retarded, and I shall leave your poor grammar in capslock for all to show.

>>2881328
They were testing it. As in, testing the compatibility of Rei's neural patterns to Unit-01. Since, you know, the dummy plugs are based off of Rei's neural patterns.

The test data in particular is the data they gained from dumping Rei in Unit-01. How do you not get this?

You are equating two entirely different types of fear to each other. Stop.

The point in that statement is that Ritsuko of all people isn't the person who does something for fashion or vanity. She is a strictly utilitarian person as are the majority of the higher ups in NERV and SEELE. Does dyeing hair sound utilitarian to you?

You're grasping at enough straws to build a haystack. Maybe you'll find a needle in it

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>>2881170
>>2881332
(cont again)

...and keep in mind that the other EVA's work because Shinji and Asuka have a mother. I know you'll argue about this as well, but technically? There was never any mention of a soul split for them either. The entirety of Yui's soul and body was put inside EVA01. With Kyoko, she went insane after a contact experiment, after which she commits suicide alongside her doll daughter. These are the canonical facts. Keep in mind that Asuka is not shown to pilot until AFTER Kyoko dies.

Both of them have in common the fact that they are both mothers to the child in question, and it is placed some emphasis that without this maternal connection, they would have no ability to pilot. But Rei has no mother. There is no necessity for Rei to have a mother for her EVA to function.

Keep in mind that Rei is not a regular human being, she is a Seed of Life, mankind's de facto deity of creation. Kaworu is also another such being except for the Angels, and he is shown to be capable of controlling an EVA regardless "as long as the soul inside is out of the way". Why wouldn't this also fit Rei's list of capabilities? After all, Rei can also create the most powerful AT-fields and other supernatural feats.

That Rei's EVA work like Shinji or Asuka's is already out of the question. Whose souls are inside the MP-EVA's for instance?

Point here being, there's no requirement like the other children, soul and all. It only complicates things further.

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>>2881332
>Shinji feels there's something like Rei in there, but quite not like her.
Rei also said "it smells like Ikari"
I believe it was like EVA adked her "you aint Shinji, I work with Shinji, where's Shinji?" And same shit with Shit in unit 00.
The EVA was thinking about Rei and Shinji could feel it.
>The facts remain that EVA00 does not work like the other EVA's. This is made explicit with NGE2. Rei is Lilith, a Seed of Life.
It works exactly like every other one except it hates the pilot.
Ayanami Rei never had a mother thus nobody cares about her and because of that who ever is in Eva 00 is going psychotic and Rei has to either struggle with it to pilot hence the worst performance of all pilots or it breaks loose and tries to kill itself bashing the head to the wall.

For all we know it could be a random test subject used to see if Eva 00 is even going to work at all.

Btw, theres a neat detail, did you notice that Suzuhara Toji became a pilot right after his sister got hurt and went to the NERV hospital?

>>2881333
>They were testing it. As in, testing the compatibility of Rei's neural patterns to Unit-01. Since, you know, the dummy plugs are based off of Rei's neural patterns.

Using EVA00, having Shinji go inside it. Rei is Lilith, and EVA01 is a copy of Lilith. She'd have no problems syncing with her own body. As for Shinji, with EVA00, he damned near would.

>The test data in particular is the data they gained from dumping Rei in Unit-01.
This isn't true. They dumped Shinji in EVA00 in the very same set of scenes. How do you not get this?

>You are equating two entirely different types of fear to each other. Stop.
They are the same, and you're telling me to stop because you have no argument. Ritsuko's fear of the EVA's are well fucking documented. EVA00 is an EVA too.

>The point in that statement is that Ritsuko of all people isn't the person who does something for fashion or vanity.
This is fanwank and summarily dismissed. Ritsuko puts on makeup, lipstick, wears dresses to parties or nights out like everyone else. Well established in the series. You can go to hell with your fanwank. You don't understand Ritsuko, nor do you understand Rei or Evangelion, and I suspect more and more that you don't actually belong in this thread but need to go back to wherever you came from.

The facts are that your theory is based on another theory, which itself cannot be proven. Truth is that you have nothing here and you need to grow up and accept that.

>>2881328
>If you want to look at it rationally, look instead at who the series actually puts center stage when EVA00 attacks the command centre - Gendo and Rei. Facts are that EVA00 is shown itself to be in pain, and once it has stopped punching at Gendo and Rei, it starts trying to almost kill itself by bashing it's own head in.
I'm referring to the first beserk incident you double digit IQ retard. Jesus you really are stupid.

And how the fuck do you not understand what I mean when I say that part of Rei's soul is in Unit-00, therefore Unit-00 lashed out (or so Ritsuko thinks) at her? Does this just not fucking compute in your comically miniscule brain or are you giving yourself more chromosomes than IQ points on purpose?

>>2881332
>shinji didn't see anything
>screen is clearly filled with images of Rei, has Rei I's theme playing in the background, and Unit-00 goes beserk after a jumpscare with Rei's face
I need not say more.

Even though the transcend time and space theory has SOME credence, the fact that you're willing to stretch to believe that but not the Rei II split soul theory is either proof that you really are fucking retarded or you're baiting obviously as fuck. Basically everyone in this thread has already subscribed to one of the two above.

>it gives you two pieces of cake
But not a full cake. That's the fucking point.

The first plate goes into Rei II, the second plate goes into Unit-00.

Do I really need to use elementary school math examples to explain simple shit like this to you?

>haha your theory is dumb and your a doo doo head
>my theory has more proof, of which none i will show
>also allow me to bring up a non-canon game which will totally prove me right
Jesus christ how cancerous

>>2881334
So because Rei is a magical fairy her Eva requires no soul and instead can use technology which a): didn't exist at the time of creation and b): has as much to do with souls as the heart has to do with the skeletal system? Bravo.

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>>2881335
Also a good point. It's not out of the question that the EVA or Dummy plug will retain something of it's most frequent or de facto user. Whatever the pilot feels from entering another EVA, does not have to come from the soul inside it if any.

>It works exactly like every other one except it hates the pilot.

Are you sure? EVA01/EVA02 works by using the pilot's mother. Rei does not have a mother. I don't really disagree that whatever that is inside EVA00, if anything at all, it is not too friendly with Rei, Gendo or the people around it. It even tries to kill itself.

But yes if could also be a random test subject. The only true, definitive answer we can get out of this is that there was nothing explictly revealed in the original series. Unfortunately that is too big a pill to swallow for some of the autists over at evageeks whom I suspect are invading this thread with their nonsense, they absolutely need everything to have an answer even if there most likely isn't one or even a possibility to divine an answer from it.

>Btw, theres a neat detail, did you notice that Suzuhara Toji became a pilot right after his sister got hurt and went to the NERV hospital?
It is a neat detail, but I think Toji's sister survived. All the children seem to lack mothers though.

There's probably a sign at NERV somewhere which says "Dead Mother Storage".

>>2881334
So if your hilariously stupid theory on Unit-02 is correct, why does it show a semblance of sanity when speaking to Asuka when Kyoko was very clearly off the wall at that point? If we're assuming her soul was sane and ignore everything after the contact experiment, why did it reference her insanity?

You cannot have both your theory nor his theory and one half of that dialogue exist at the same time, because Unit-02 CLEARLY EXPRESSES TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES WHEN SPEAKING TO ASUKA.

>>2881335
>For all we know it could be a random test subject used to see if Eva 00 is even going to work at all.
Ah yes, we're going with the "the trees have epilepsy" theory. Fantastic.

>>2881336
You realize that the genetic makeup of the actual Unit has absolutely 0 to do with this argument right? If not, it would be impossible for any of the units save Rei and Unit-01 and Kaworu and the other Evas to sync up. Once again, more mental gymnastics and straw grasping

They dumped Shinji in to test if it was possible for it to work vice versa. I specifically mentioned this and you ignored it. Absolutely imbecilic.

Because in that scene she's not afraid of the Evas attacking everyone in the research team, she's afraid of the Eva attacking HER. NOTICE HOW THIS IS PERSONAL, AND THE OTHER ISN'T.

>"no dude you don't get it"
>haha ur dum an ur an asukafag
>also ur underage
Fantastic argument.

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>>2881333
>If she was a mindless zombie she wouldn't retain aspects of her personality (as seen with the doll), furthermore, that wouldn't explain why Unit-02 in EOE quoted what the insane Kyoko said.
So what that she has memories?
Dummie plug is exactly Ayanami Rei's memories without her soul.
Memories /= soul.
She may well be a brainwashed zombie still with memories but mindless
>Once again, the dummy plugs are just simple neural emulations of the subject's combat

Why do you keep repeating that?
A dummie PLUG is a whole sized red Plug that was revealed (Dummie plug Rei/Kaworu) and it uses a zombie clone brainwashed with Rei's memory back up.
>There is a huge reason why Unit-01 under plug control and Unit-00 fight entirely differently:
Unit 00 NEVER had a dummie plug.
It was going berserk and tried to kill itself.
Who ever is Unit 00 doesnt like his or her position one bit.
>I shall leave your poor grammar in capslock for all to show.
As opposes to what?
You cant delete my posts, this isnt reddit or Evageeks

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>>2881333
They get the data from Shinji being in EVA00. The data they receive is DIRECTLY from Shinji in that scene, not Rei.

>>2881337
>And how the fuck do you not understand what I mean when I say that part of Rei's soul is in Unit-00, therefore Unit-00 lashed out (or so Ritsuko thinks) at her?
Because one day, when you are able to think more calmly and rationally, you'll see that nothing you wrote in that sentence has any evidence or proof backing it up.

>I need not say more.
Images put there for the viewer, not Shinji. It's a common technique used in Evangelion. Whenever a character says something, it may skip to a scene thousands of miles away to show that object or person, even if it's dead or not. They don't necessarily see it. Shinji claims he "feels" it, not sees it, so there is no problem here.

>Even though the transcend time and space theory has SOME credence
Excuse me? "Some" credence? It was literally shown on screen, unlike your piece of shit theory. Grow up already. Its' a fact, your crap theory is not.

>my CAKE ANALOGY

You still don't get it. There's now two pieces, on two plates, two pieces of a soul in two bodies. Your analogy is fucking worthless and doesn't explain or say ANYTHING different than what the whole title of your shitty theory does.

>So because Rei is a magical fairy
Literally a Seed of Life man. She can even fly like a fairy. Deal with it bitch.

>her Eva requires no soul
Rei Clone bodies have no souls either.

>and instead can use technology which
>a): didn't exist at the time of creation
The MAGI is based on the same technology, they copied Naoko three times to make it. Also the technology exists because Rei is in that tank constantly.

So yeah, it has precedence. It's what they are EXPLICITLY DOING IN THAT SCENE AS WELL. The only theory without founding is your shitty soul-split theory.

>>2881341
>Dummie plug is exactly Ayanami Rei's memories without her soul.
Ahahhahahah what? Fucking prove it.

>Memories /= soul.
Even though she clearly asks why she's cried before when crying in Unit-00, and having not cried before as Rei II? Fantastic.

>A dummie PLUG is a whole sized red Plug that was revealed (Dummie plug Rei/Kaworu) and it uses a zombie clone brainwashed with Rei's memory back up.
You realize that NERV has absolutely no way to securely transfer any memories of any sort, right? Hence Rei II does not realize she has been murdered, Rei III does not realize she kamikaze'd, etc.?
>b-b-but she say's she's expendable
Because she saw all the shells in the dummy plug chamber. The fact that she's unaware of the fact that her soul gets transferred to a new shell every time she dies and that there is only one real Rei proves this.

>Unit 00 NEVER had a dummie plug.
>It was going berserk and tried to kill itself.
>Who ever is Unit 00 doesnt like his or her position one bit.
And it would be completely, completely possible that said person trying to kill themselves was the other half of Rei I's soul.

>You cant delete my posts, this isnt reddit or Evageeks
As opposed to trying to report your post, or retort that section at all in any logical or sound manner.

>>2881341
Don't worry, I trust you far more than this insane fucko that keeps pushing the soul division shit.

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>>2881336
>Rei is Lilith, and EVA01 is a copy of Lilith.
Rei is Lilith and Unit 01 is YUI.
The point of the whole experiment was to see if Yui could possible co-operate with Rei and whether or not pilots were interchangable .

Just in case what if Unit 00 is broken and Shinji is dead/missing? Or the other way around.

Yui did accept the Dummie plug when she was fighting Toji because Shinji was in danger, but later on she refused both for Zeruel fight demanding Shinji and nothing else.

>>2881345
>They get the data from Shinji being in EVA00. The data they receive is DIRECTLY from Shinji in that scene, not Rei.
Literally what the fuck are you even going on about at this point? What proves that they were focusing on Shinji and not Rei?

>Because one day, when you are able to think more calmly and rationally, you'll see that nothing you wrote in that sentence has any evidence or proof backing it up.
You'll see that you're mindlessly masturbating to your own theory which no one here agrees with (hell, even the other retard gives a more sound theory which would be plausible if no proof existed that Unit-00 contains a splinter soul Rei) and that everything you've said is complete bullshit.

>Shinji claims he "feels" it, not sees it, so there is no problem here.
>http://www.animanga.com/scripts/textesgb/eva14.html
>WOW, what's this?
>Something is entering directly into my head, what?
>Ayanami? Ayanami Rei? It's Rei, this impression is Rei's.
>Ayanami? Aren't you?
He very clearly sees or at least "feels" Rei. It is absolutely without a doubt Rei in question. Which invalidates your argument either way.

>Literally a Seed of Life man. She can even fly like a fairy. Deal with it bitch.
You realize that aside from being Lilith she is just a normal human right? Hell, without her Lilith shell she's even worse than human because humans don't need to take pills to not fall apart and die.

>Rei Clone bodies have no souls either.
And why are you telling me what I already know?

>The MAGI is based on the same technology
Based on. The modern PS4 is based on the original PS1, go and try playing MGSV on a PS1.

>Also the technology exists because Rei is in that tank constantly.
So just because they had the components to build it, therefore they automatically had it? How convenient.

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>>2881346
He's right idiot. Memories != soul. Whatever you find in the brain, will be gone along with the body. The soul retains the impressions and knowledge, but like Ritsuko explains, the SOUL CANNOT BE DIGITIZED. Only the brain-patterns can, which do in fact constitute memories.

The soul has capability of memory but it is not the memories copied by the dummy plug.

>You realize that NERV has absolutely no way to securely transfer any memories of any sort, right? Hence Rei II does not realize she has been murdered, Rei III does not realize she kamikaze'd, etc.?

This is fucking fanwank. Rei II and III are very well aware that they've been killed. Why else would Rei know she's replaceable if not for knowing she's been replaced once already? How would Rei III know she's "the third" if she didn't know?

Just ask yourself this moron: If they can not transfer memories, then how the fuck can Rei speak? How can she walk, talk and act like herself if they couldn't copy memories? If they couldn't, Rei would be JUST like a newborn, being unable to walk, talk or do anything at all. Yes, even WALKING requires that you train your body to do it. You're filled with nerves which store the data you get from adapting yourself to the act of walking over the course of your life. This is why people with broken nerves need to retrain themselves.

Yet Rei knows who Gendo is, who Shinji is, and she knows that she's the third. Rei may not remember dying, but this is because THOSE MEMORIES WERE NEVER BACKED UP MORON. It's like frying your harddrive before you had a chance to back it up. Everything NOT backed up since last time is lost.

Learn 2 Eva idiot.

>>2881349
>Rei is Lilith and Unit 01 is YUI.

Unit01 is a copy of Lilith nonetheless. The EVA itself, is made from Lilith. They refer to EVA01 as a copy of Lilith on more than one occasion. Yui is just trapped inside it.

>>2881345
>your theory has no proof
>mine has plenty. too bad i'm not telling
Ok

>>2881347
>mom i'm circlejerking

>>2881351
>Only the brain-patterns can, which do in fact constitute memories.
Memories = brain patterns
Brain patterns ≠ memories

>This is fucking fanwank. Rei II and III are very well aware that they've been killed. Why else would Rei know she's replaceable if not for knowing she's been replaced once already? How would Rei III know she's "the third" if she didn't know?
>http://www.animanga.com/scripts/textesgb/eva23.html
>Shinji: I'm glad, You are alive!
>My father is not here?
>Thank you! You saved me.
>Rei: What?
>Shinji: You saved me even by abandoning Unit Zero.
>Rei: Oh, I did save you?
>Shinji: Yeah. Don't you remember that?
>Rei: No, I mean, I don't know that.
Truly, pure fanwank

>Just ask yourself this moron: If they can not transfer memories, then how the fuck can Rei speak? How can she walk, talk and act like herself if they couldn't copy memories?
How can NERV build giant robots made out of splice cells of a god being that created mankind? You're entering the artistic license zone with this one.

Yet Rei knows who Gendo is, who Shinji is, and she knows that she's the third.
This and the above can be disproved by saying that the soul contains primal instincts, or memories, and when transferring souls said primal instincts and memories are transferred too. She speaks to Gendo and Shinji daily, she speaks in Japanese daily, therefore such basic knowledge is transferred.

>Rei may not remember dying, but this is because THOSE MEMORIES WERE NEVER BACKED UP MORON. It's like frying your harddrive before you had a chance to back it up. Everything NOT backed up since last time is lost.
You haven't provided proof that memories can be backed up yet, you're doing the equivalent of building a human body without the skeleton. Unless you can actually do that it's safe to dismiss this idea completely.

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>>2881350
>What proves that they were focusing on Shinji and not Rei?
How about the fact that the VERY SCENE where they get data, comes from Shinji syncing with EVA00? I'd post screenshots but this isn't /a/ and it's not from Rei, so at best I'll bother to make a webm for you. MAYBE.

That proves it fucking solidly without ANY question whatsoever. Either your memory sucks or you're being obtuse on purpose.

>He very clearly sees or at least "feels" Rei.
He FEELS Rei. Impression. Feelings. Not things he sees with his eyes or imagines that he sees.

>It is absolutely without a doubt Rei in question. Which invalidates your argument either way.
Except you'd be wrong - Shinji himself doubts that it's Rei. He says "chigau no ka?" in the scene, which negates that it's Rei. So it has an impression of being Rei, but Shinji himself. Look at your own quotations there.

This is perfectly consistent with an "impression" of Rei being there but not the actual Rei, AKA what the Dummy System is. A copy of Rei's personality/neural patterns WITHOUT the soul.

>You realize that aside from being Lilith she is just a normal human right? Hell, without her Lilith shell she's even worse than human because humans don't need to take pills to not fall apart and die.

That's a big enough "aside" to drop your theory down the drain. Again, it's not just the frailty of Rei's body, but also the indisputable paranormal abilities she possesses. She is not simply human, she is more.

>Based on. The modern PS4 is based on the original PS1, go and try playing MGSV on a PS1.
Flawed analogy. The PS4 is not based on the original PS1 in any way whatsoever, and in MAGI we have the exact same process. A human brain in an encasing being a copy of Naoko Akagi. The same thing the dummy plug is said to be, except for Rei.

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>>2881346
>Prove it
Gendo said Akagi ruined the dummy plug system by killing the clones.
>Even though she clearly asks why she's cried before when crying in Unit-00, and having not cried before as Rei II? Fantastic.

Well you see she doesnt know why she is crying because she just DIED and lost her memories with her body.
The fact that she can even speak, talk, knows who she is and who people are means she had a memory back up.

Remember she was floating naked in a tube? That was very likely herself SAVING the backups.
>You realize that NERV has absolutely no way to securely transfer any memories of any sort, right?
Then how the fuck does she even know her own name? Let alone being able to walk and talk.
She lost the memory since the backup but retained the feelings and emotions
Memory is in the body, feels are in the soul
>Rei 2 doesnt remember getting killed
She doesnt, but she is aware of what she is.
Episode 26 has her content playing her own peculiar existence and she is even aware of Lilith
>And it would be completely, completely possible that said person trying to kill themselves was the other half of Rei I's soul.
IF the souls had halves and parts at all, which We dont have a reason to assume.
>As opposed to trying to report your post
You are free to try.
Mods hate false repirts

>>2881351
>>2881354
>>2881355
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>So just because they had the components to build it, therefore they automatically had it? How convenient.
It's canon unlike your shitty theory. The more we get into this, the more you're going to realize how stupid and stubborn you've been. They were in fact testing the system right there and then to justify the creation of the dummy plug later. Using EVA00 and Shinji.

This is canon. Your theory and what it is based on, is not.

>Truly, pure fanwank
Oh really, why don't you add in the REST of the exchange then? Le me do it for you then, since you FUCKING CUT IT OUT FOR ((NO REASON)):

>Rei: No, I mean, I don't know that.
>Rei: I think, probably, I am the third.

In other words, Rei fucking knows. Exactly in the way I said, she knows because she is able to put one and one together unlike you. She cannot remember what happened before because her memories are not backed up. It'd be impossible, her body was destroyed. There is nothing to back up, only what made it into her soul is remembered. That would be distinct, strong feelings, not concrete memories like you'd find in a brain.

>How can NERV build giant robots made out of splice cells of a god being that created mankind? You're entering the artistic license zone with this one.
No, we are not. Just admit that you're fucking wrong.

>She speaks to Gendo and Shinji daily, she speaks in Japanese daily, therefore such basic knowledge is transferred.
This is retarded. She doesn't speak to them daily. Do I really need to bring you a quote by fucking Sadamoto that says Rei is backing up her memories when she's inside the tank?

>You haven't provided proof that memories can be backed up yet, you're doing the equivalent of building a human body without the skeleton.
It was already PROVED by the fact that Rei is not like a newborn when she is reincarnated. Your counter was "muh artistic license". You have no argument, and it's about high time you came down from your pedestal of shit.

>>2881355
>How about the fact that the VERY SCENE where they get data, comes from Shinji syncing with EVA00
This is as logical as saying that Misato was holding her gun before Kaji got killed, therefore she killed Kaji.

>Except you'd be wrong - Shinji himself doubts that it's Rei. He says "chigau no ka?" in the scene, which negates that it's Rei.
Or maybe, just maybe, it's a scriptwriting device to make it vague and to add tension. The fact that they chose to include Rei imagery over anything else is pretty much proof that he felt Rei in the Eva.

Furthermore, if it isn't Rei, then who is it?

>but also the indisputable paranormal abilities she possesses
Said paranormal abilities are never used when she is Rei II and only come into action as Rei III, after she fuses with Lilith. Try again.

>Flawed analogy. The PS4 is not based on the original PS1 in any way whatsoever, and in MAGI we have the exact same process.
Then go and try playing PS4 games on a PS3. Or Xbox 1 games on an Xbox 360. The argument still stands.

>A human brain in an encasing being a copy of Naoko Akagi.
It encases a copy of her neural patterns, which are then used as a basis of a logic system to make decisions and compute formulae. Which is if you didn't notice totally different from neural patterns for combat. More false equivalency just like with Ritsuko's fear.

>Gendo said Akagi ruined the dummy plug system by killing the clones.
And the dummy plug system doesn't run off of memories? What relevance at all does this have to anything?

>Remember she was floating naked in a tube? That was very likely herself SAVING the backups.
OR that was them collecting neural data for the dummy plug system. Once again, the trees have epilepsy logic.

See the bottom part of >>2881354 for an answer to that entire thing

>Mods hate false repirts
Global Rule 3.

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In fact EVERYTHING concerning the reading and storing of neural patterns is integral to the whole operations of NERV. It's just the MAGI, the copies of Naoko Akagi made into a computer, but it's also the whole basis for the synchronization and monitoring of the pilots inside the EVA.

>>2881360
So because they had the components to build a computer, therefore they could install Windows 10. Thanks for giving me insight to your demented logic.
>They were in fact testing the system right there and then to justify the creation of the dummy plug later.
>http://www.animanga.com/scripts/textesgb/eva14.html
>Ritsuko: But good readings.
>This means, we can carry out that plan.
aka, they had the theory, and the blueprint, they just didn't have the finished product, THEREFORE, it could not have been a dummy plug system inside of Unit-00. Once again, you fail completely to see where your arguments fall short of you.

How horrific, I cut out 1 line, which had a): no relevance to my argument, and b): proves nothing? Truly a travesty.

The fact that she says "she thinks she is the third" shows that she has some sort of instinctual knowledge of how many shells she has inhabited. It in no way proves that she is capable of storing complex or complete memories.

>No, we are not. Just admit that you're fucking wrong.
>NO UR RONG
k

>This is retarded. She doesn't speak to them daily.
The argument still stands. She speaks to them on a regular basis therefore she retains it as a subconscious or unconscious memory.

It's certainly more logical than whatever bullshit about Unit-00 containing a dummy plug, that's for sure.

>Do I really need to bring you a quote by fucking Sadamoto that says Rei is backing up her memories when she's inside the tank?
Sadamoto didn't write the original Eva script lol, whatever he says is as canon as whatever an animator in Gainax says.

>It was already PROVED by the fact that Rei is not like a newborn when she is reincarnated.
You failed to read the paragraph on instinctual or primal memories. Go back to third grade, pass your reading comprehension exam and try again.

>>2881364
>This is as logical as saying that Misato was holding her gun before Kaji got killed, therefore she killed Kaji.

False equivalency. The scene with EVA00 is in the same location, with the same character, at the same time, and they are pulling the data directly from EVA00 in that scene. IN FACT, REI HAD ALREADY GOTTEN OUT OF EVA01 AT THAT TIME.

It can only come from EVA00, and ONLY EVA00. When are you going to realize that all you're doing is fighting the canon? This isn't behavior I like to see in a Rei fan, or maybe you're just as much a Rei fan as QuarterSoul is? AKA "not at all"?

>The fact that they chose to include Rei imagery over anything else is pretty much proof that he felt Rei in the Eva.

He felt something like Rei in the EVA. Don't dismiss the fact that he questions whether it actually was Rei or not as a "scriptwriting device". He did not think it was just Rei. Only an impression "like" Rei.

>Furthermore, if it isn't Rei, then who is it?

Therein lies the question, doesn't it? We know it can't be Rei herself because Rei isn't inside EVA00. She's outside, walking. We've also established that the "dummy system" uses a copy of a pilots neural patterns, and that it is based on Rei. It's therefore possible that what we can find inside EVA00 is just that, a prototype of what is to later become the Dummy Plug. This also what they are testing at the time.

>Said paranormal abilities are never used when she is Rei II and only come into action as Rei III, after she fuses with Lilith. Try again.
This is irrelevant. There is no need to use them prior to that point, neither can Rei use abilities she doesn't know she has. You try again.

>PS analogy
Already explained why it doesn't work. Try again.

also the rest of your post isn't something I wrote. But just so it's said, he's right and you're wrong here.

>>2881364
>And the dummy plug system doesn't run off of memories? What relevance at all does this have to anything?
Except it does.
Rei is making a backing up her memories/brain pattrns in the tank in that very room.
If the clones dont have her soul, not her memory they dont have anything at all. What would they run and oprate Eva on if not memoies?
>Collecting neural data
THAT IS THE MEMORIES YOU DIPSHIT
The neural data is memories and experiences.
That is why Rei 3 had SOME memories but not all of them.
She knows she used to be the second, and she thinks she may be the third, she knows what was before, she doesnt remember what happened after the backup.

>>2881368
You are simply going insane right now. We've established for a fact that they could have used a dummy system prototype, on a prototype EVA nonetheless. This beats anything concerning your unproven, unsolid theory. We have even established that in that very scene we are discussing, they are testing the feasibility of using whatever system EVA00 uses, WITH SHINJI. Which later becomes finished as a DUMMY PLUG containing the system for use with SHINJI.

Put one and two together. Please anon.

>How horrific, I cut out 1 line,
The one line which blows your argument out of the fucking water. It proves that Rei is able to put together and therefore know by process of deduction that she is the third. She would obviously not remember. The other scene we can refer to, like after Zeruel, shows us Rei saying "she's alive". The confirmation of what happens after battle is for Rei a thing. She can't be sure if she died or not if she wakes up in a hospital bed.

It's not instinctual or any other buzzword she can comes up with. Rei knows she's replaceable, and she knows, like any other person, that if she goes out to fight, and someone claims she saved them, and she doesn't remember any of it, then she can logically put together that she probably died and was reincarnated, for Rei, making this the third since she already knows it has happened once.

Put one and two together like Rei does, please anon.

>The argument still stands.
No, it does not. You have no basis for the idea that it will somehow stick to her memory. We already know for a fact that Rei's brain is being copied en masse. The same technology that made the MAGI. Why the actual fuck would her memories not come from that CANON, EXISTING process versus your phony bullshit?

Put one and two together, please anon.

>>2881369
>False equivalency. The scene with EVA00 is in the same location, with the same character, at the same time, and they are pulling the data directly from EVA00 in that scene. IN FACT, REI HAD ALREADY GOTTEN OUT OF EVA01 AT THAT TIME.
What's to say they weren't talking about both Rei in Unit-01 and Shinji in Unit-00's data combined?

>It can only come from EVA00, and ONLY EVA00. When are you going to realize that all you're doing is fighting the canon? This isn't behavior I like to see in a Rei fan, or maybe you're just as much a Rei fan as QuarterSoul is? AKA "not at all"?
>ONLY THEORIES I LIKE IS CANON
>EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES IS AN ASUKEK OR A MISATOSLUT
>GTFO
Truly the behavior of a mentally matured adult.

>Don't dismiss the fact that he questions whether it actually was Rei or not as a "scriptwriting device". He did not think it was just Rei. Only an impression "like" Rei.
Who the fuck else is "like Rei" other than Rei? Weren't you just arguing she was one-of-a-kind a few fucking minutes ago?

>We know it can't be Rei herself because Rei isn't inside EVA00
You really are completely illiterate. You absolutely are.

>It's therefore possible that what we can find inside EVA00 is just that, a prototype of what is to later become the Dummy Plug. This also what they are testing at the time
Jesus fucking christ, EVAS DON'T RUN ON NEURAL PATTERNS. If not they'd be transplanting Yui's BRAIN. not her fucking SOUL.

Holy fuck how are you so fucking stupid?

>This is irrelevant. There is no need to use them prior to that point, neither can Rei use abilities she doesn't know she has. You try again.
She never controls Unit-01 remotely, or Unit-00 remotely for that matter. She could have aided Shinji by controlling it remotely in the Unit-03 fight, or in the Ramiel fight when aiming to take the first shot. But she doesn't.

>>2881372
>Rei's brain is being copied en masse.
The clones were made in the same time as Rei 1 was.
The dont make them on a conveyor.
The Rei is visiting the tank to uploaded her memories/pattrns which is the same thing into them, and that how she respawned WITH the memories of the time until she had the latest backup.

Or else she wouldnt know how to walk, let alone what is NERV and angels and shit.

>>2881374
>What's to say they weren't talking about both Rei in Unit-01 and Shinji in Unit-00's data combined?
The fact that they were not referring to Rei or EVA01 in any of the dialogue, scenes or images shown. They start streaming the data from EVA00 the minute they enter second stage contact. You need to stop fanwanking and accept that you are wrong.

The scene in which they are discussing the plans for the dummy plug comes DIRECTLY from the experiment they have with EVA00 and Shinji. Hint fucking hint.

>Truly the behavior of a mentally matured adult.
Since you don't deny it, I assume I'm right. A rei fan would endear his reifaggotry, you would not since you're an interloper here because there's zero discussion elsewhere. Fuck off.

>Who the fuck else is "like Rei" other than Rei?
Oh gee, I dont' know. How about
- the rei-clones in the tank which are USED TO MAKE THE DUMMY SYSTEM?
- the copy of Rei Ayanami's neural patterns which are USED TO MAKE THE DUMMY SYSTEM?

Are you just not able to see everything clearly as they align together to form a straight line?

>You really are completely illiterate. You absolutely are.
You're butthurt because I'm right in pointing out that Rei herself is not inside EVA00 at that time, and so you respond with inults. Man up and accept you're wrong please.

>Jesus fucking christ, EVAS DON'T RUN ON (stupid gibberish follows)
We've already established for an undeniable fact that EVA00 cannot work like either EVA01 or EVA02, the only two EVA's with a confirmed soul inside them. Your argument is moot.

>She never controls Unit-01 remotely, or Unit-00 remotely for that matter.
Non-argument. The facts are that Rei by virtue of being Lilith, is fundamentally capable of paranormal feats. One of them is being revived. Think about it, why not clone Asuka or Shinji if this isn't something that only Rei Ayanami AKA Lilith is capable of?

>>2881369
>Already explained why it doesn't work. Try again.
The idea still stands, you cannot run new software on old hardware. Even if you wanted to play semantics, you cannot run a game designed for a high end Nvidia card on an Intel card.

>person i'm circlejerking is right because i say so
k

>>2881371
>Except it does.
Jesus holy fucking shit how are you so dumb?
Do you not notice how completely differently Unit-00 with Rei piloting and Unit-01 with the Dummy Plug piloting fight? How the fuck would you explain that massive discrepancy if not for a lack of memories (and therefore personality)?

>brain patterns = memories
>what are alpha, beta, delta and theta brainwaves
Truly the premiere scientist right here.

>>2881372
>UR DUM, LET ME TYPE AN ENTIRE PARAGRAPH PROVING THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT I TALK ABOUT WHILE CALLING YOU STUPID
k

>It proves that Rei is able to put together and therefore know by process of deduction that she is the third
Instinctual memories etc etc.

>t's not instinctual or any other buzzword she can comes up with
And why not? Because you say so?

>Rei knows she's replaceable
And how do we know she's referring to her body that's replaceable and not her soul? I argued at least an hour back that proof that most if not all of her memories are not transferred lies in that she thinks that she is entirely replaceable. She places no value in her existence. If she were aware that it was her BODY that was being replaced and that the dummy plug shells were empty, this would likely have led to a totally different personality

>btw allow me to appeal to authority to call you dumb
Obnoxious

>No, it does not. You have no basis for the idea that it will somehow stick to her memory
And you have no basis for the idea that they do regular "memory backups". We don't even know if NERV is capable of memory manipulation at all, there's no proof for it.

The MAGI uses neural patterns to form decisions, not memories. Try again,.

>>2881377
Yes, that's what I mean. They were copying Rei's brain insofar they copy the "contents", AKA the memories and neural patterns.

>>2881377
>Or else she wouldnt know how to walk, let alone what is NERV and angels and shit.
See the instinctual memories argument, and once again, there is no proof that NERV are capable of memory manipulation.

>>2881378
>The fact that they were not referring to Rei or EVA01 in any of the dialogue, scenes or images shown
They weren't referring to Shinji or Unit-00 either, not explicitly, at least. You're INFERRING that they gathered the data from Shinji because that was the direct overlapping and then preceding scene. So by saying that you debunk your own argument too.

>The scene in which they are discussing the plans for the dummy plug comes DIRECTLY from the experiment they have with EVA00 and Shinji. Hint fucking hint.
Jesus, you really are an expert at being a stubborn, smug retard aren't you?

>Since you don't deny it, I assume I'm right. A rei fan would endear his reifaggotry, you would not since you're an interloper here because there's zero discussion elsewhere. Fuck off.
>everyone who disagrees with me is X
Bravo

>- the rei-clones in the tank which are USED TO MAKE THE DUMMY SYSTEM?
Contain no soul and therefore cannot be used to fill an Eva
>- the copy of Rei Ayanami's neural patterns which are USED TO MAKE THE DUMMY SYSTEM?
Evas run on souls, not neural patterns. Try again.

>You're butthurt because I'm right in pointing out that Rei herself is not inside EVA00 at that time, and so you respond with inults.
What part of "one soul split into two parts" do you not get? Even after the elementary school tier explanation on how the soul splitting works, you still absolutely do not fucking get it.

>Man up
>while discussing semantics in a chinese cartoon
How manly.

>Unit-00 cannot work like Unit-01 or Unit-02
Fucking what? Literally what proves this?

If anything, the only Eva that doesn't work like the others is Unit-02 because it's not cross-pilot compatible like 00 and 01 are.

>>2881379
>The idea still stands
No it does not stand, as I have explained to you why it does not work, which you did not counter-argue in your replies. Don't even bother trying again because you're getting ridiculous.

>Instinctual memories etc etc.
>And why not? Because you say so?
Because it literally is fanwank and buzzwords with no meaning.

>And how do we know she's referring to her body that's replaceable and not her soul?

Not an argument. You are just making up new theories and arguing for me to "prove them wrong". You aren't arguing your own theory any more, you're just being stubborn. To humour you, we know for a fact that Ritsuko says that the soul cannot be digitized and thus replaced. We also know that Rei wants to die for parts of the series, but we also know that she believes Gendo is preventing her from doing that. Thus, she knows it's her body that's replaceable. Not that anything else would make sense anyway.

>I argued at least an hour back that proof that most if not all of her memories are not transferred lies in that she thinks that she is entirely replaceable. She places no value in her existence. If she were aware that it was her BODY that was being replaced and that the dummy plug shells were empty, this would likely have led to a totally different personality

Wrong. The fact that Rei knows her body is replaceable, and not herself is precisely why she is able to sacrifice herself in battle so easily. Because no one else can. The burden is on Rei. This also causes her to devalue her own personal comfort since it's not necessary.

>And you have no basis for the idea that they do regular "memory backups".
It's called the scenes where Rei is inside the tank floating. It's the same location for the dummy plug plant. It's the same location where Ritsuko pays attention to Rei, and Ritsuko herself claims they've backed up Rei's neural patterns AKA memories.

What exactly do you think memories are in the brain, if not neural patterns?

>>2881379
>differently Unit-00 with Rei piloting and Unit-01 with the Dummy Plug piloting fight? How the fuck would you explain that massive discrepancy if not for a lack of memories (and therefore personality)?

Lack of personality and soul YES!
But not the lack of memories, without memories she would be like a fucking new born baby, and she wasnt like one.
>Truly the premiere scientist right here.
Eva wasnt written by scientists.
The scientific accuracy doesnt apply to giant robot shows.
>And you have no basis for the idea that they do regular "memory backups". We don't even know if NERV is capable of memory manipulation at all, there's no proof for it.
Its the only logical conclusion considering Rei 3 remers some events, but not how she died.
If memories were in the soul she would remember it all
If the were in the brain and they couldn't manipulate them she would be like a new born baby.
So it looks like they are in the body but they can save and backup them.

No reason to assume that "brain pattrns" arent same as memories or dont go together inseparately.

>>2881378
>stupid gibberish
Allow me to quote you or your associate (whichever one, I stopped keeping track hours ago)
>SHE HAS THE WHOLE THING YOU FUCKING MONGOLOID.
>REI 2 WAS 100% REI, IN FACT THERES NO SUCH THING AS REI 1, 2 AND 3 THEY ARE SAME EXACT ENTITY EXCEPT FOR Q WHO IS NOTHING AT ALL.
Truly, words of a man of logic and sanity.

>Non-argument. The facts are that Rei by virtue of being Lilith, is fundamentally capable of paranormal feats.
Capable but never does any of them, nor is ever implied at being capable at any of them. Therefore, a nonargument back to you.

>Think about it, why not clone Asuka or Shinji if this isn't something that only Rei Ayanami AKA Lilith is capable of?
Maybe it's because they need Rei's soul for fucking Third Impact you fucking retard.

>>2881381
>They weren't referring to Shinji or Unit-00 either, not explicitly
Oh just fucking give up already: They are directly referring to the "harmonics" which come from Shinji and EVA00, and yes, that is fairly explicit. Anything else you say is fucking fanwank and you should really, really consider calling it quits and apologize to the thread for your constant rants of lies and BS.

>Jesus, you really are an expert at being a stubborn, smug retard aren't you?
I reserve the right to be smug before an idiot like yourself.

>Bravo
It's called logic and deduction, try it some time. Try being honest for once as well.

>Contain no soul and therefore cannot be used to fill an Eva
Yet they are ingredients for the DUMMY PLUG, are they not? Same as with the copies of Rei's brain. EVA01 and EVA02 run on souls, EVA00 is stated to work differently and could impossibly work like the other two since Rei has no mother. Try again.

>What part of "one soul split into two parts" do you not get?
You're butthurt because I'm right in pointing out that Rei herself is not inside EVA00 at that time, and so you respond with insults. Grow up.

>Fucking what? Literally what proves this?
The fact that Rei does not have a mother, and EVA01 and EVA02 work precisely because the pilots mothers are inside the EVA.

>>2881382
>old hardware cannot run new software isn't an argument
So I can run my steam copy of MGSV on my old Windows XP machine? Nice!

>Because it literally is fanwank and buzzwords with no meaning.
And dummy plugs being able to fill an Eva's soul and memories equating to neural patterns totally aren't.

>You aren't arguing your own theory any more, you're just being stubborn
I stopped arguing my own theories a while back because it was obvious that you were too fucking stupid to comprehend basic ideas like "memories and neural patterns are not even remotely close to the same fucking thing" and "Evas require a soul and not just some finetuned electrical currents to run".

This can be easily retorted in multiple parts
>To humour you, we know for a fact that Ritsuko says that the soul cannot be digitized and thus replaced.
Where did I even imply this?
>We also know that Rei wants to die for parts of the series, but we also know that she believes Gendo is preventing her from doing that
Gendo is preventing her from wasting extra dummy plug parts and extra souls
>Thus, she knows it's her body that's replaceable. Not that anything else would make sense anyway.
How do we know she doesn't think it's a Rei Q type situation where each dummy plug clone has its own soul?

>Rei's neural patterns AKA memories.
>What exactly do you think memories are in the brain, if not neural patterns?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_wave
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_wave
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_wave
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theta_wave
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_wave
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_wave
Please for the love of god, educate yourself.

>>2881383
>Lack of personality and soul YES!
Memories form the personality you fucking idiot.
>But not the lack of memories, without memories she would be like a fucking new born baby, and she wasnt like one.
That's like saying you made bread without using any wheat you retard.

>>2881384
>Truly, words of a man of logic and sanity.
More than you. He's correct in saying that Rei has 100% of her soul. Nothing is every implied or stated to the contrary in the entirety of Evangelion. In fact it is said that their soul is "one and the same" in the various glossaries like the Red Cross Book following the official release of EoE.

"Their soul is one and the same, and it appears to have been that of Lilith. At the final stage of the Instrumentality Project, Rei betrayed Gendou, returned to Lilith of her own judgment and entrusted the future to Gendou's son -- Shinji Ikari. Birth date: unknown"


>Capable but never does any of them, nor is ever implied at being capable at any of them. Therefore, a nonargument back to you.
She is capable and does demonstrate it. Being brought back from the dead isn't something everyone can do, and so Rei 1 -> Rei 2 proves you wrong. As does Rei 3. Since Rei II is Rei III, there is no real distinction either. The only blocker for Rei is a mental one, the fact that she does not know that she has powers and much less how to use them.

>Maybe it's because they need Rei's soul for fucking Third Impact you fucking retard.
That doesn't make sense. Why would they not back up Shinji's or Asuka's soul in case they die?

>>2881386
Those are neural oscillations, AKA brain patterns. You get educated.

>>2881386
>Memories form the personality you fucking idiot
NOT IN EVA FFS.
Eva is a loose sci fi show, it revolves around the concept of soul.

Its like bringing thermodynamics into fantasy with magic, think within the box of functional setting and oprate with the fact a it presents you with.

>>2881383
>Eva wasnt written by scientists.
>The scientific accuracy doesnt apply to giant robot shows.
>it's ok to be stupid and not use real life examples because the writers are probably as stupid as i am and are unaware of common knowledge
Jesus

>Its the only logical conclusion considering Rei 3 remers some events, but not how she died.
Just like Unit-00 containing a dummy plug prototype/a random literally who is the only logical conclusion?

>If memories were in the soul she would remember it all
Didn't I just fucking say, instinctual memories? The concept that some memories of great importance are implanted in the soul, while others function as short term memories of a higher level?

>No reason to assume that "brain pattrns" arent same as memories or dont go together inseparately.
See >>2881386

>>2881385
>They are directly referring to the "harmonics" which come from Shinji and EVA00, and yes, that is fairly explicit
Post scripts or GTFO.

>I reserve the right to be smug before an idiot like yourself.
Yes, Mr. "neural patterns and memories are the same thing", you truly are intelligent.

>EVA01 and EVA02 run on souls, EVA00 is stated to work differently and could impossibly work like the other two since Rei has no mother.
How the fuck does this relate to how Unit-00 functions? We aren't discussing how Rei functions, we're discussing how Unit-00 functions for christ's sake.

>You're butthurt because I'm right in pointing out that Rei herself is not inside EVA00 at that time
You're just repeating yourself like a broken record at this point.

>The fact that Rei does not have a mother, and EVA01 and EVA02 work precisely because the pilots mothers are inside the EVA.
For the last fucking time, it doesn't, and how Rei functions is entirely irrelevant to how Unit-00 functions.

>>2881386
Look, just fuck off Rei-hater. Your cover has been blown. The references to Rei Q, the insistence on defending shitty evageek theories and the fact that you DO NOT GET EVANGELION AT ALL is proof that you don't belong here. Either step up your game or fuck off.

>posts wikipedialinks and then asks people to get educated
>doesn't even know that the links in question describe neural patterns
Idiot.

>the brain memory forms personality
>in a show where there is an actual, tangible soul that can be manipulated, moved, and as demonstrated with Rei, store some form of memory

Yeah, no. How about you fuck off. I think this thread has had enough of your faggotry. You're probably QuarterSoul with her trip off anyway.

>>2881386
>So I can run my steam copy of MGSV on my old Windows XP machine? Nice!
It was already shown why your analogy doesn't work. Read up.

>And dummy plugs being able to fill an Eva's soul and memories equating to neural patterns totally aren't.
It's actual undeniable canon that dummy plugs are the product of copying a person's mind.

>I stopped arguing my own theories a while back
because "your own" theories don't add up and now you're just butthurt about it. Grow up please.

>Gendo is preventing her from wasting extra dummy plug parts and extra souls
Now this is retarded. How can Gendo prevent Rei from killing herself if she wants to? In fact, he tried twice when she fought Zeruel and Armisael and failed to stop Rei BOTH TIMES. The only way Gendo prevents Rei from returning to nothingness is by constantly reviving her inside the body of Rei Ayanami.

>How do we know she doesn't think it's a Rei Q type situation where each dummy plug clone has its own soul?
Because nothing is every implied to that effect, and because we do get it confirmed from other characters that it is not the case. In other words, take your shitty fanwank somewhere else.

>wikpedia links
Those describe neural patterns. What exactly do you think they mean by neural oscillations? Like one of the very first sentences are "A gamma wave is a pattern of neural oscillation". A pattern of neural oscillations. Neural patterns. Wow.

How about you get educated, idiot? Human memory is associative.

>>2881387
>"Their soul is one and the same, and it appears to have been that of Lilith. At the final stage of the Instrumentality Project, Rei betrayed Gendou, returned to Lilith of her own judgment and entrusted the future to Gendou's son -- Shinji Ikari. Birth date: unknown"
How the fuck does this prove that at no point Rei's soul was split in half? It doesn't imply that Rei ever had multiple souls, or that there were multiple Reis, it says that the singular Rei soul was turned into two splinter souls to fit into the Eva and into Rei. Does this just not fucking compute to you or something?

>She is capable and does demonstrate it. Being brought back from the dead isn't something everyone can do
She doesn't bring herself back to life, her soul is transferred from one shell to another, by a third party too. Yui and Kyoko do the exact same thing in the contact experiment. Nice try.

>The only blocker for Rei is a mental one, the fact that she does not know that she has powers and much less how to use them.
This is by far the only logical argument you've ever given this entire time, and is probably worth 20 GBP. That's four (4) full tendies just for you!

>That doesn't make sense. Why would they not back up Shinji's or Asuka's soul in case they die?
Because they can just replace them with another pilot you dipshit. Why else do you think they kept on allowing Shinji to just fucking leave?

>>2881388
Holy fucking shit, what else have we been arguing about this entire time IF NOT BRAIN PATTERNS?

>>2881389
>it doesn't work under my logic therefore it's wrong in this canon
Ok

>>2881392
>The references to Rei Q
Where I called Rei Q a completely different entity to Rei?
>the insistence on defending shitty evageek theories
As predicted in >>2880527
>and the fact that you DO NOT GET EVANGELION AT ALL
>everyone I don't agree with is wrong
>is proof that you don't belong here.
Apparently /c/ is a discussion board now? Nice!

>>2881390
>Post scripts or GTFO.
If you're asking for scripts, it's just proof you don't know anything about the scene or you're denying it. Here you go:

5
00:16:20,410 --> 00:16:23,290
Now let's shift to the second stage
of the interchangeability tests.

6
00:16:23,290 --> 00:16:26,030
Unit 00 will enter into second contact.

7
00:16:26,210 --> 00:16:27,220
How is it?

8
00:16:27,220 --> 00:16:30,170
As I thought, the synch rate is lower
than that of Unit 01.

9
00:16:30,830 --> 00:16:33,260
Harmonics are all normal.

10
00:16:33,260 --> 00:16:34,840
But these are still good readings.

11
00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,760
This means we can implement that plan.

12
00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,430
The dummy system, you mean?

Like, happy now? They ARE referring to EVA00.

>>2881390
(cont)
>How the fuck does this relate to how Unit-00 functions?
How does it not? If EVA01 and EVA02 works by using the pilots mother, but Rei has no mother, then EVA00 cannot possibly work in the same way. It's a simple fact that no one knows how EVA00 works exactly. All we know is that it works differently.

This is NOT how Rei functions like you imply here:
>For the last fucking time, it doesn't, and how Rei functions is entirely irrelevant to how Unit-00 functions.

it has to do with EVA00. Rei not having a mother means that it's IMPOSSIBLE for EVA00 to work like EVA01 and EVA02 does, because the latter rely entirely on the maternal connection to work.


>You're just repeating yourself like a broken record at this point.
Because you're still butthurt. Grow up and people won't have to keep pointing it out.

>>2881392
>>doesn't even know that the links in question describe neural patterns
Go and hit ctrl+f for me, and see how many fucking instances of the word "neural patterns" or "brain patterns" pop up. You fucking idiot.

>>the brain memory forms personality
>>in a show where there is an actual, tangible soul that can be manipulated, moved, and as demonstrated with Rei, store some form of memory
You haven't proven the last one, and the first one doesn't really imply or prove anything at all.

And it's hilarious how you think I'm Qshitter when I clearly say multiple times that Rei and Rei Q are completely different. Furthermore, I type completely differently from him and use completely different arguments. Your attempts to stereotype me into an existing boogeyman are both hilarious and cute.

>>2881393
>It was already shown why your analogy doesn't work. Read up.
Actually, it hasn't. Please quote the exact paragraph for me

>It's actual undeniable canon that dummy plugs are the product of copying a person's mind.
Copying a person's neural patterns, which are, for the nth fucking time, completely unrelated to memories.

>because "your own" theories don't add up and now you're just butthurt about it. Grow up please.
Because you exercise cognitive dissonance, use arguments that ignore common knowledge and basic science, and blatantly use half truths to fit your own narrative. There is no reasoning with someone who has no understanding of logic.

>Now this is retarded. How can Gendo prevent Rei from killing herself if she wants to?
He can't, he can try, but it's ineffective in every sense of the word

What you're seeing is a trees have epilepsy argument, meaning, an argument that cannot be proved or disproved, yet aligns into a narrative perfectly due to a lack of knowledge. This is exactly the same as saying that Unit-00 is inhabited by a literally who.

>Those describe neural patterns
Because we've literally been arguing about neural patterns you Alzheimer.

>>2881394
>How the fuck does this prove that at no point Rei's soul was split in half
The part where it says "Their soul is one and the same". Check mate, end of discussion. If Rei II does not have her complete soul, she cannot logically have the same soul as Rei III or Rei I. Nice try QuarterSoul, but you need to go make a Misato thread already.

>She doesn't bring herself back to life,
NERV does, and this is only demonstrated to be possible with Rei. Checkery Matey.

>This is by far the only logical argument you've ever given this entire time, and is probably worth 20 GBP. That's four (4) full tendies just for you!
Don't project your stupid autistic system on me. All my arguments are logical, and if you stop being butthurt for a second you'll start realizing that.

>Because they can just replace them with another pilot you dipshit. Why else do you think they kept on allowing Shinji to just fucking leave?
Because they can't use a pilot that won't cooperate. I'm sorry but that's how it is. Why else did they pick the doll retard Asuka, who cares for nothing BUT piloting? Asuka is an ideal candidate because she's a dumb puppet right there.

In the case that they do cooperate however, it'd make perfect sense for them to back up both Shinji AND Asuka as clones with their neural patterns/memories stored, so they can revive them if need be and therefore NOT rely on a replacement pilot that would be unsafe. But apparently, they can't.

>>2881399
>Go and hit ctrl+f for me, and see how many fucking instances of the word "neural patterns" or "brain patterns" pop up. You fucking idiot.
Here you go: "A gamma wave is a pattern of neural oscillation "


>You haven't proven the last one
Oh I get it. You misundestand all of Evangelion then. If you don't think the soul is an actual, tangible thing in Evangelion, there's no wonder you're this lost. Kindly get the fuck out of our thread please.

>>2881396
>not memorizing every last line of a chinese cartoon's script means you don't know anything about it
Nice.

I don't see any sources, but this is easy to debunk anyways
>But these are still good readings.
>This means we can implement that plan.
And what if she was referring to this half of the test having good readings without needing to say the same thing for the first half ie. Rei and 01? Nothing here implies that she was referring to ONLY Unit-00. "These" does not say "the Unit that we are currently testing on right now". It could refer to the results from the entire test, INCLUDING UNIT-00.

>>2881397
>How does it not? If EVA01 and EVA02 works by using the pilots mother, but Rei has no mother, then EVA00 cannot possibly work in the same way. It's a simple fact that no one knows how EVA00 works exactly. All we know is that it works differently.
In the first place we don't understand how the mother mechanic works. Someone mentioned Toji's sister above. How do we know Eva's just don't require a female blood relative to function, which a direct splinter soul of a female would count as?

Still repeating yourself like a broken recorder, as you have this entire argument. The fact that you're the one constantly calling everyone butthurt probably shows that you're projecting.

>>2881401
>Here you go: "A gamma wave is a pattern of neural oscillation "
Jesus christ, I can't tell if you did that wrong genuinely due to your nonexistent IQ or on purpose.

CTRL F ON THIS FUCKING PAGE YOU DIPSHIT. TO PROVE THAT WE HAVE BEEN ARGUING ABOUT FUCKING NEURAL PATTERNS FOR THE LAST 2 FUCKING HOURS

HOLY FUCK

>>2881399
>Actually, it hasn't. Please quote the exact paragraph for me
Here you go, mongoloid: "Flawed analogy. The PS4 is not based on the original PS1 in any way whatsoever, and in MAGI we have the exact same process. A human brain in an encasing being a copy of Naoko Akagi. The same thing the dummy plug is said to be, except for Rei."

Your entire analogy is full of shit.

>Copying a person's neural patterns, which are, for the nth fucking time, completely unrelated to memories.
Nope, it's the same thing. Human memories are associative, and associative neural networks form what we refer to as memories.

>Because you exercise cognitive dissonance, use arguments that ignore common knowledge and basic science, and blatantly use half truths to fit your own narrative. There is no reasoning with someone who has no understanding of logic.
That's you, not me. Sorry pal.

>He can't, he can try, but it's ineffective in every sense of the word
Now you're just fanwanking. There's only one thing Rei means here, and that is stopping her from returning to the nothingness whence she came. This is made explicit in episode 25. We have used logic both from the series and "canonical" bits of info from things like glossaries and you still deny the truth.

What are you even doing here, Rei-hater?

>>2881402
You've just lost it now. Go be angry in the asuka thread instead.

>>2881400
>If Rei II does not have her complete soul, she cannot logically have the same soul as Rei III or Rei I.
So if I cut a cake in half and give you one half, does it mean that the the half you (and I) own are no longer the same cake?

>NERV does, and this is only demonstrated to be possible with Rei
She never actually fucking dies, and you conveniently ignore the fact that both Yui and Kyoko have both also undergone a soul transfer. Jesus.

>All my arguments are logical
Ignoring entire sentences and playing with implications while dismissing the obvious and implying the untrustworthy is totally logical.

>Because they can't use a pilot that won't cooperate. I'm sorry but that's how it is. Why else did they pick the doll retard Asuka, who cares for nothing BUT piloting? Asuka is an ideal candidate because she's a dumb puppet right there.
See: Toji, who while a horny immature teenage boy is definitely not just a dumb puppet. And see the fact that they had a whole army of Eva pilots ready to go, called Class 2A.

>In the case that they do cooperate however, it'd make perfect sense for them to back up both Shinji AND Asuka as clones with their neural patterns/memories stored, so they can revive them if need be and therefore NOT rely on a replacement pilot that would be unsafe
You're also ignoring the fact that NERV cannot make copies of the soul, it can only make copies of bodies. And that memories and neural patterns do not equate.

>>2881403
>A human brain in an encasing being a copy of Naoko Akagi. The same thing the dummy plug is said to be, except for Rei
And how do we know the Dummy Plug isn't using a future generation version of the original MAGI tech? The fact that they serve two completely different purposes, the former requiring high speed reflexes and reliable performance, already implies this.

>>2881402
Look. A memory is a specific neural pattern. A pattern of Rei smiling of Shinji forms a distinct neural pattern in your own brain, made up by numerous connections between synapses in your brain. It's these patterns that are encoded into your brain, that can be encoded into your brain again. They've done it in rats, fired the same pattern off in their heads and they remember.

It's sick and disturbing, but it can be done. It was done with Rei to create the dummy plug and keep her from losing all her experience. Have a quotation from Sadamoto:

Interviwer: What is Rei doing in the tank?
Sadamoto: Backing up memories.

>>2881402
>In the first place we don't understand how the mother mechanic works
We know it exists and is a requisite. Rei does not have a mother. Check mate.

>I don't see any sources, but this is easy to debunk anyways
Source is episode 15.

>And what if she was referring to this half of the test having good readings without needing to say the same thing for the first half ie. Rei and 01?
>Nothing here implies that she was referring to ONLY Unit-00.
The fact that the harmonics and data come directly from EVA00 as shown on screen does. It is also a fact that Rei has already left EVA01 by the time that scene happens.

The facts remain that you fanwank. The scene is straight forward and your only argument is to pretend it doesn't exist. The progress is simple, EVA00 syncs, data starts flowing in, they comment on it. Check mate.

>>2881403
>Human memories are associative, and associative neural networks form what we refer to as memories.
None of this, absolutely fucking NONE of this, has ANYTHING at all to do with neural networks. Neural networks are computer databases that extrapolate past data in order to compute new data. That has NOTHING to do with Eva. AT ALL.

Neural patterns are fucking waves. Neural networks are fucking databases,

Jesus H Christ.

>That's you, not me. Sorry pal.
>no U
k

>Now you're just fanwanking
And Unit-00 not requiring a soul totally isn't. Ok.

Furthermore you rely on trying to debase my status and questioning my opinions on something basic like Rei. Jesus, there is no way this can be genuine.

>>2881404
Stop projecting.

>>2881408
>A memory is a specific neural pattern
lmao
Fucking show me even one scientific document at all that says this. Don't give me your pseudoscience bullshit, actually fucking prove it like I proved what brainwaves are.

>gives interview with someone who literally isn't related to the main plotwriting team
>provide no source
Sadamoto is not an authority figure in Eva canon, and your interview is as good as false.

>>2881407
>So if I cut a cake in half and give you one half, does it mean that the the half you (and I) own are no longer the same cake?
They are two separate pieces of cake, like it or not. Like we said, fuck off with your analogies that doesn't even work.

>She never actually fucking dies
Yes, Rei dies. She is strangled to death by Naoko, and then she is burned alive by the resulting explosion against her defeating Armisael. Don't tell me you didn't catch this?

>Ignoring entire sentences and playing with implications while dismissing the obvious and implying the untrustworthy is totally logical.
There is nothing obvious in what you write, all you have is fanwank. You're so deep into your own bullshit you've lost your sanity.

>See: Toji, who while a horny immature teenage boy is definitely not just a dumb puppet. And see the fact that they had a whole army of Eva pilots ready to go, called Class 2A.
He is, NERV killed his mother and now they're planning to use him. Same as everyone else. Toji has consented to piloting even if he's afraid. He's a suitable candidate. But he's not as much as a puppet like Asuka though, I'll give you that. Asuka is just worthless in every way.

>You're also ignoring the fact that NERV cannot make copies of the soul, it can only make copies of bodies. And that memories and neural patterns do not equate.
Memories and neural patterns do equate. I trust Sadamoto over you, and I trust logic over you.

Sorry.

>>2881410
>Fucking show me even one scientific document at all that says this
Try any.

Sadamoto > You. Sadamoto wrote a lot of the things in EVA as well. Many of the ideas, including the mother inside the EVA, comes from him. I'm sorry but you're just going to have to man up, accept the facts, that you are wrong.

>>2881410
Neural networks make up the human brain. It's not a term that originates with computer science. In fact, the computer science term imitates the biology of human brain in this case. Look buddy, I'm sorry but it's time for you to step away from the computer, stop pouting about being wrong, and return to the Asuka thread where you belong. Maybe even go back to evageeks. At least there you don't have to pretend to like Rei.

>>2881410
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_neural_network

Read up and cry. Those "databases" are based on the neural networks found in biology, including the human brain as well as the countless nerve cells we have in our body. When these neurons fire, they do so in a pattern - a NEURAL PATTERN, as they call it. As would have it, these biological databases also form what we call "memories".