/asg/ - Airsoft General

>Literally posted the thread that pruned the old one.
My bad. Should've done it earlier in the day.

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Never trust the "expert" at the airsoft shop

>>867260
I hope you didnt pay him

>California will never secede and actually become their own republic

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>>867280
>Texas wants to secede
>Cali doesnt

>>867260

>Half steel tooth piston.

you had it coming tho.

>>867260
Seems like pretty severe case of premature engagement. Who chose the parts? Why aren't the second and the third tooth shortened?

>>867285
cali cant afford it.

>>867275
After getting a high speed motor and 16:1 gears he suggested I get a piston too, which I did and pay for
>>867290
Yes, I already have the full metal teeth version on my cart.

>>867300
I let him suggest it

>>867307
>High speed motor
>16:1 gear set
Ya dun goofed.

Another piston won't solve the problem. You need to get a stronger spring as well and then maybe shortstroke the gears a little. You also need to adjust the piston angle of engagement. Otherwise even the full steel rack will crack eventually.

>>867316
I have the motor from a previous build, it kept breaking spur gears so I went and got the 16:1 set and piston hoping they wouldn't explode

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>>867306
>cali can't afford to secede
you best be kidding retard

>>867354
they have too much debt in order to finance even any thoughts of seceding

>>867326
>kept breaking spur gears after motor swap
>kept replacing spur gears after they broke
>decided to replace additional parts in to see if it would fix the problem
>DIDN'T REPLACE THE MOTOR

this is a gr8 example of why it's hard to want to give advice to you shits anymore. with critical thinking skills that bad I can't imagine you dress yourself in the morning. nonetheless:

-throw that speed motor in the trash. speed motor wind-up makes semi auto response fucking horrible, and high RoF is more easily achieved via a torque motor/speed gears. get a SHS or ZCI high torque motor.

-get a decent piston with all steel teeth (that isn't polycarb) including the pickup tooth. SHS makes a fine one. Don't use an aluminum piston head, either, in case you were.

-get 13:1 or 12:1 gears if you want decent RoF and trigger response, 16:1's make very little difference from 18:1's. must use a torque motor with them. SHS makes fine 13:1s. Keep the 16:1s in if you don't care and they aren't damaged though.

If you are hitting PME you either have a beefy 11.1/babby spring/fast motor or a combo of all of them. You may have to short stroke your sector gear by a couple teeth and drop in a heavier spring in order to stop it. I have no idea what your specs are beyond what you've posted so I can't really tell you if that's a definite issue or not.

Spend some time learning to actually work on your gun in general. Never, ever, EVER pay people money to do what a 10 year old is perfectly capable of doing correctly. Airshit "techs" are easily 95% retards who have no idea what they're doing or are obliged to shill awful products to unaware scrubs.

Condor gear good for a starter?
Looking to pick up one of there more lightweight chest harnesses and slapping some mag pouches on front.

>>867326
What gears have you been using previously? It's not really normal for several spur gears to break unless you've been buying shitgears or you're doing something wrong. You should try to eliminate any play that the gears or bearings might have. Check your shmming and glue the bearings down. If the holes for bearings have turned into ovals, you might have to get a new gearbox.

High speed motor aren't very desirable as they aren't very energy efficient, lack torque and and heat up fast. This means that you won't have crisp semi and the full auto will sound like an RC-car. Higher current and heatup also mean that without mosfet there will be more arching in your trigger contacts, motor brushes will wear down faster and if with a mosfet, excessive heat can kill it.

Most 16:1 gearsets have true ratio of 17.2:1. Compared to the original ratio, they are only about 7% faster.

>>867421
Condors got great pouches and accessories.
Never had one of their vests, but I know Evike makes some good microbatch vests.

>>867411
Hold your horses, quickshot.
I am not paying anyone to do my shit (most of the time). I have spare gearboxes to work on and try configurations.
Definitely not throwing a SHS High Speed motor in the trash just because you say so. I wanted to build around the HS motor, not the other way around, so after breaking the stock gear set, I put another old spur which broke in the first 100 shots.

After that I went and got the SHS 16:1 (which are good quality, even if you say shit about them) and the clerk recommended swapping the piston too -which I already regret buying as it wasn't the full metal teeth version-.

Main objective is getting a crisp and fast semi on <350FPS with 7.4v LiPo

>>867441
Thanks for input.
As stated in >>867441 previous gears were not quality and only used as tests.
I am glad you actually used arguments, even the same expresion -crisp- for describing the semi I am looking for.

Are MOSFETs worth it?

After much tinkering I have my AEG well shimmed and surprisingly accurate, running an SHS hi-torque with a 7.4v lipo.

The trigger response is good but I know that it would be even snappier with an 11.1v, which I believe requires a MOSFET (reduces arcing on trigger contacts?).

Is it an addition that will make a noticeable difference to the performance of the gun?

>>867458
Just by switching to 11.1v you'll already notice, but installing a MOSFET is totally recommended.

>>867442
Alright, thanks.
Was cruising evike all last night trying to find some decent starter gear.

Silly question, but do people even bother with black gear or does everyone run tan/od green/multi?

>>867471
Some people run black but most run earthtones

>>867421
I'd stay away from Condor gear if it's anything larger than a pouch. Their stitching is poor quality and it's common for their PALS webbing to be crooked, rendering it useless.

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So how long until cali airsoft guns look like this but with bright colors?

>>867512
So is this one of the props for Episode 8?

>>867443
>Main objective is getting a crisp and fast semi
Well you're doing it wrong. High speed motors have high maximum RPM, but it takes longer for them to accelerate to that RPM. High torque motors don't have as high maximum RPMs, but accelerate a lot faster. In short: Torque means better semi. Speed means higher RoF. Then again, most manufacturers have this shit all mixed up.

If you have lots of spare parts, you can try swapping the armatures from stock motors to your SHS motor. The stock motors generally have shitty ferrite magnets, which don't generate much torque so they have to compensate with slower armatures that do. Not every armature fits every can, so yet again, you may need to reduce the play that the armature may have. The armature has to spin freely as close to the magnets as possible and it should have minimal up-down wobble.

If you really wanted to get a crisp semi with relaitvely little money, you'd try to get a hold of 32TPA armature, 12:1 gear set and 14,8v LiPo.

>>867458
11.1v LiPo will definitely make a difference in performance. It wont fry your contacts or bust your gearbox in a single skirmish, but I'd recommend to buy mosfet and a variety of other mods before you start playing with 11.1v. Mosfet alone won't do much.

>>867523
>variety of other mods
Such as?

>>867485
Any brands you'd recommend for a lightweight chest harness?

>>867561
Flyye and Pantac

>>867561
Chicom

>>867544
Stuff that's necessary
>Piston with all metal teeth and the second and the third tooth shaved down
>Piston angle of engagement correction with sorbo
>Decent shimming with bevel-to-pinion method
>Mosfet with 14AWG wirings and Deans connector

Stuff that may be necessary
>Gearbox radiusing if V2.
>Stronger spring if PME
>Short stroking if PME
>Gluing down the bearings
>Motor alignment if V2
>New gear set

>>867561
The Blue Force Gear ten-speed chest rigs are very minimalist. And while pricey, the HSP D3CR is a great little chest rig that has a very useful setup. If you want to arrange your pouches however you want then the Tactical Tailor Mini MAV is a good rig. Tons of manufacturers make relatively small rigs with just PALS webbing on them so you can set it up with whatever pouches you like.

Most brands people are recommending you go with are Chinese manufacturers that make lower quality knockoffs of popular designs by Eagle Industries and LBT, though if you're okay with that then they will be cheaper.

>>867421
decent quality
I run a mcr with the hydro pack
holds six m4 mags with enough molle space for other shit on both the front and the back

>>867326
As a tech in the largest arena in my state of 3 years i can say with confidence that you are absolutely retarded.

>>867316
High speed motor doesn't mean crap, its more important to know the TPA of the motor.

>>868184
Yes, I know that the manufacturers haven't decided what's high speed and what's high torque which is why you'll have 16TPA armatures with both labels. It's still quite likely for a high speed motor to have a low TPA armature than it is for a high torque motor.

Anon with the problem has an SHS HS motor which has a 12TPA armature inside. It pretty much only works with original ratio gears because otherwise it's certain to hit PME. It also heats up quite bit when used excessively in a short period of time. A friend of mine burnt the mosfet from my AK that had said motor when he was emptying mags at the end of the day. The AK had stock XYT gears, M130 spring and the shimming was spot on.

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Did someone say African wars?

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Kit list:
>Belgian Congo Jigsaw smock (end of war)
>Belgian brushstroke over-trousers
>British drill shirt (officers commonly wore these)
>British 38 pat Bren pouches, belt and shoulder straps
>American Water bottle pouch
>Belgian issue M51 Helmet.

>>868421
>>868424
>>868426
I still need a FAL, Bren or 30 Cal though.

>>868421
your fly is open, dude

>>868431
Quit starin' at my dick anon.

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Opinions?

>>868632
8.5 out of 10

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>>868632
Looks nice and light.

>>868421
>>868424
>>868426
are you Belgian?

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>>868638
>>868642
any improvements you'd think of?

>>868642
What rifle is that?

MassiveGayShits is at it again

Read up on this bill, and sign this petition, if you'd like.

https://www.change.org/p/massachusetts-governor-stop-bill-h-3476?recruiter=74628935&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=mob-xs-share_petition-reason_msg&fb_ref=Default

>inb4: NYPA

I'm finally good at a sport, I don't want to see some liberals that are scared of anything gun-shaped ruin it

>>868801
Just use GRIS dude. Isn't it built into the native 4chan extension by this point?

>>868850
Wish I had a real gun so I could tweet a picture at them of said gun with a big orange stripe down the side.

>>868647
No, but it's the right kit for pretty much all African wars after the Congo crisis, up until Rhodesia.

>>868881
lel

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>>868642

>>869006
I'd fold her stock.

>>868850
WHY
ORANGE TIPS ARE ALREADY REQUIRED FOR SALE
ITS ALREADY ILLEGAL TO BRANDISH THEM IN PUBLIC YOU LIBERAL FUCKS

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Soon.

>>868850
Baker-san save us

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>>869077
If thos shit happens Im gonna paint my guns cerberus themed

>>869086
[spoiler]I actually have one of those exact guns. It's not actually that bad, for plastic externals.[/spoiler]

>>869092
Ugly as sin though

>>869095
Paint cures 2tone

>>869102
True
Bright blue seems a bit of a challenge beyond white

>>869107
White isn't considered a legal colour for two tone guns in the UK, it's weird.

>>869130
I was thinking blue/white actually

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feast your eyes on this

>>869176
Is that imitation wood?

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>>869176
>AK overfolder
Kektacular

>>869176
Babbysfistaeg/10

>>869176
Nigga are you wearing crocs?

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R8/H8/Masturb8

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>>869266
Poorfag sound grenade I've been using. Uses a ring cap or strip cap from a cap gun. Basically the metal part on the bottom is heavy enough to set the cap off and make a little flash and pop. For $3 it's pretty good. 80% success rate with practice.

>>869266
Too hard to see because of poor light and poor res.

>>869176
Nice crocs

>>869266
Kit looks pretty dank

>>869176
The stock goes under the gun not over the gun.

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>>869176
Just fyi, the stock goes UNDER and not OVER.

>>869499
no it doesnt, retard

>>868632
>just another m4

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>>869627
Yes.

>>868642
Can you use the irons with the eotech blocking them. My knockoff 552 is too high for them to work.

>>867250
I'm just gonna keep buying from evike and the stores local to me. It's just a few pieces of tape you can take off anyway, and who the hell's actually gonna enforce this at a field? The only cops that would go to one are the ones who airsoft in the first place.

>>870191
or if the cops get called because someone sees a bunch of people running around with rifles and military gear

>>869077
I legitimately don't mind this.

>>869176
>feast your eyes on this
Kek, found shittiest aeg you could buy and fucking bought it.

Can you move this off topic, non-wrestling shit to /toy/ where it belong please?

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>>870223
Gay porn belongs in /fit/
Stop spamming our martial arts, HEMA, Skateboard, paintball and airsoft board with your fag shit.

>>870226
Name of the board is Alt SPORTS and WRESTLING

Playing with toys falls under neither of those.

>>870223
cry some more, you can't do shit
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>870228
At least they don't spam the entire board with epic wwe fag memes.

>>870228
WWE isn't wrestling

>>870228
Airsoft is basically paintball, paintball is /asp/, and /asp/ was a board before wrestling was moved here.

Airsoft aren't guns, so they don't go on /k/, and /toy/ are a bunch of effeminate manchildren who are afraid at the idea of realistic toy guns.

WWE style pro-wrestling isn't even a real sport, it's fucking staged performances for an audience, outcome is predetermined with most matches.
Which there isn't anything wrong with, but it's not really a sport.

>>870235
>>870236
>WWE topics on /asp/

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>>870266

>>870274
>he doesn't recognize years old copypasta
18+

>>870275
They're airguns. I can use metal 6mm ball bearings in them if I wanted to for small pest control by upping the FPS. However we're using less than lethal rounds at slower speeds. They're bb guns designed for competitive sports.
Go shitpost somewhere else

>>870278
> they're bb guns
You literally just admitted they are toys, Good job rambo. Take your off topic shit elsewhere

I just wanted to talk about bbwarz

>>870283
>BB guns are airguns used for pest control. Try again turbotard

>>870288
> literally doesnt know when to greentext and when not to
> thinks outlaw pew pew is a sport
> still plays with toy guns
Time to leave, reddit

>>870289
>Thinks airsoft isn't a sport
>So obsessed with airsoft he's still posting here
So what AEG did you buy?

>>870294
Just scrolling through the front page on the wrestling board lad, just confused as to why there is a nerf gun thread on it

>>870295
I'd recommend you check out our guides in the OP first before you make a purchase
Also don't skimp on eye pro

>>870283
Actual pellet rifles that fire .17 caliber lead "diabolo" projectiles through a rifled bore are not considered toys and thus actually go on /k/.

Airsoft ends up being this inbetween of a toy and paintball. Ultimately, it goes on here, because it doesn't go on /k/ or /toy/

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>>870295
Remember, you only get one set of eyes M80.

>>870312
That's not going to give you much range and the ammo is expensive. Also many fields don't recognize Nerf as a viable option.
I'd recommend a Cyma

>>870289
>outlaw pew pew
I don't get it. Keep seeing this phrase used, is it a common term or just a description that one autist thinks is witty?

>>870218
2 things

1) I'm not the one in the pic

2) CM028 is really good value for the money

>>870349
For 20 dollars more you can get a 40 series
Whoever bought that goofed the fuck up.

>>868656
pick a solid color for the furniture (you would be surprised how useful that actually is),
stop thinking you need to add more crap to a perfectly decent platform (simple is better)
start looking for your next gun because it's time to look for a new role in your squad.
if you lack a squad, go find one.

none of this was meant in a malicious fashion btw. the guns fine the way it is, and you'll find more enjoyment with a basic setup anyways.

>>870367
I don't have any need for more guns, this is my last, as I already have 3 AK, MP5, M4 and some carabine & handguns.

>>868656
at this point I'd just do internal stuff

>>870208
If it's on private property that is away/closed off from people's view it should be fine. So pretty much every airsoft or paintball field in existence.

>>869268
Nice! Can you tell me how you make these?

>>870377
Sell one of the AKs and get a nice M16 or an SVD for the DMR role. Alternatively grab an RPK or an LMG. As you probably know snipers have to be upgraded a lot to be worth using as your go to.

>>870538
That or get a general purpose machine gun for range accuracy and firepower,like a PKM

>>870740
The PKM box mag is notorious for being finicky and generally bad.

>>870780
Works just fine for me
The real issue is the trigger contact, which can get sticky

Is the SB Commiefornia law going to require the things painted?

>>870740
Alternatively upgrade one of the AKs as a DMR. You'd have V3 compatability, cheap and plentiful mags, and SVD tier range.

>>870277
>he doesn't realize I have over 50 threads currently hidden because they are wwe shit.

>6 months ago /asp/ was a cozy place with MMA bros even wanting to have us make a player for our soccer team
>Snap to now and /asp/ has been invaded by shitposting

>>870849
no, just colored tape in certain parts

>>867443
>wants to build around speedmotor

what is this 2006?

we have lipos and Neo-magnet motors now.

run a 13:1 gearset and a good quality high torque motor. Shit can that 2S lipo and run a 3S.

>>867458
Yes.

A MOSFET will greatly reduce the resistance in your trigger wiring, it'll also keep you from turning your trigger contacts into ash.

Maybe with sb199 we can get space guns and shit.

Something good can come off this. Right?

...right?
...pls?

>>871519
starwars milsim when?

>>871581
when we get a GBB sterling

>>871587
There's already an AEG one

>>871601
>GBB

>>871602
And I'm saying there's already an AEG one that you can customize

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>>871519
Brace for even more people doing CS:GO pant jobs.

>>871612
>inb4 only speedsofters do this

>>871605
I think he means he'd prefer a GBB variant

>>871601
Who makes it?

Asking for a friend.

>>871698
http://www.evike.com/products/50076/

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>>871605
>>871601
>says he wants a GBB
>'u should get an AEG'
>but he wants a GBB
>'get an AEG'

>>871726
That didn't happen at all.

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>>871733
except it did

>>871735
Except it didn't
>When can we do X
>When GBB happens
>But AEG already exists
>GBB
>I'm saying AEG already exists though
Being cryptic and going away from the main question doesn't help bucko.

>>871737
Yes, he wanted a GBB, and you said "get an AEG though" and he implied he doesn't want an AEG, but a GBB, then you insisted he get an AEG.

>>871746
Quote me where I said "Get an AEG"

>>871587
>>871587
Get the AEG, put in an HPA engine?

>>871749
I don't know how you meant to put it, but:
>>871605
>>871601
Comes across as a suggestion to get an AEG instead of a GBB, and I'm not the only one who thinks that.

>>871766
I was answering the main question.

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>>870419
That's a PTW with all the internals done

>>870538
>>870740
>>870911
I don't have any interest in playing DMR (already did and didn't like it) nor LMG, as we already have those roles covered in our team.
My AKs are mostly old and rebuilt, I love them and the low selling price I'd get wouldn't be worth it.

>>871511
>implying I was playing airsoft in 2006
I have little over 2 years of experience only, so I wanted to experiment around. I'm already trading the SHS High Speed for a SHS High Torque. The 3S doesn't fit on the AK dust cover I'm using. I've tried plenty of models, will try more of them soon

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I'm getting this around this summer once I finish paying off my bills.

>any good

>>871840
A&K? Externals are okay, and internals range from decent to bad thanks to nonexistent quality control.

>>871753
More like get a Daytona Gun setup custom made by TNK.

>>871587
If I knew a lick of engineering, I would say that making a gbb sterling would be pretty easy.

>>871774
Fucking hell.

But yeah Speed motors have no place anymore. Back in the days when Ni-Cads ruled the earth and Nimh were new they were worth it, but now not so much.

As far as fitment on AKs yeah 3S can be tough to fit, but its worth it.

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Finally got my carbine yesterday. At this point I could either make it into an XM177E2 or an early Model 733 since it's entirely dependent on the muzzel device and both are kosher for a Gulf War kit.

What have you gotten recently /asg/?

>>871989
Waiting for A&K PTW Clone to come back from Evike. First one had the stock bent in shipping.

>>871990
Should have gotten a DTW, desu.

>>871988
I know, but they just don't fit. I will shorten the wires on both batteries and gearbox soon when I replace them and see if I can get them in.

>>871990
This >>868656 is an A&K PTW Clone, but you'll have to eventually replace all the electronics, hop unit, barrel, etc. because they're shit, specially cylinder, motor

>>871994
Does the A&K fit slimmer PTW grips or do they still use AEG grips like the WE Katana does?

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>>871997
It is a Systema clone, it will fit Systema/PTW grips and all RS externals just fine.

>>871840
Teched one for a friend.
Externally, has the shittiest metal body I think I've ever seen. Fire selector would grind against the receiver, and metal dust would come out. The pistol grip is as uncomfortable as it looks.
Internals are your average chinese quality shit, if not a bit worse.
I wouldn't recommend it to be honest.

>>867250
I thought that was supposed to be a wood furniture or bakelite AR until I took a closer look. I'm doing a real-steel AR build, maybe I'll do an orange stock, grip, and foregrip just for laughs.

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>>872000
I had a chance to hold a G&G LR300 and I liked the grip.
I can agree on the quality of A&K ARs though. My friend got one of their M4s and the whole front end was slightly bent and the internals were garbage.

I would only get an A&K LR300 because of STALKER, and because the G&Gs are impossible to find now.

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So I just fieldstripped my new Beretta and gave it some spurts of Ballistol and a gentle wipedown, and WOW; the travel of the slide, the hammer, and especially the trigger became noticeably smoother (COMPLETELY eliminated any grit), the safety is less stiff too. I love this stuff (aside from the smell I guess)

So /asp/, what do you use to clean, lube and protect your guns?

>>872006
Make sure to tweet it to the current governors of California and Massachusetts.

>>871774
>PTW
like real ptw?

>>872011
I personally use Safariland CLP, but I need to get some pure silicone oil.
Never use gun oil on anything but metal on metal, since the solvents can dry out and break down things like rubber and plastic. Use pure silicone oil when it comes to things like hopups, nozzles, gbb magazines, and rubber seals.

>>872024
Pretty sure it's an A&K.

>>870335
>a description that one autist thinks is witty
Basically. It's related to some meme the WWE refugees brought with them, perhaps about something being childish, cringey, and edgy, like outlaw wrestling and its fans can be.

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>>872025
>Never use gun oil on anything but metal on metal, since the solvents can dry out and break down things like rubber and plastic.
>Use pure silicone oil when it comes to things like hopups, nozzles, gbb magazines, and rubber seals.
I didn't know that, thanks. Wiped off the nozzle and magazines, then gave them a spray from an old silicone spray I had.

>>872035
One time won't fuck anything up, but it's a good idea to not use it in regular gun cleaning.
I use CLP on my WE M14 since some of the parts are raw steel.

>>872024
>>872027
see >>871999
it's a straight 2007 Systema clone, with all its parts interchangeables

>>872037
shieetttt
nice senpai
what cylinder do you run?

>>872038
KA M90 with some spacers for it to be as close as possible to 350FPS

>>872039
nice
I've heard those things hit like 250 feet easy
any truth to that?

>>872050
One of the main concerns when dropping cash on things like this is if they're worth: for me, they are.
The range is really good. I am running a FCC Gen2 hop unit with a 6.03 Balystik barrel and it gets absurdly accurate with great range.

>>872061
nice

>>871626
Makes sense. It's easier to just own a piece of land and call it a field, rather than dress it up to look the part. The indoor fields have to build stuff inside, so they have the choice make it look like future space stuff or whatever.

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>>871626
There was some speedsoft kid at the field this weekend with a stickerbombed MP5 that I thought actually looked kinda cool.

I'd upload the photo but my computer is in pieces at the moment.

>>872160
My phone also apparently thinks I live in Australia.

so I brought my first gbb rifle
the metal sound of bolt traveling and the recoil are awesome
but after shooting a couple mags it start leaking from the top
does it have something to do with winter?
I looked around for tutorials to fix it but all of them seems to focus on fixing leakage caused by broken bottom valve or o-ring
so anyone know what's the cause and how to fix it?

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>>872382
shit, i'm retarded
the one I brought was WE SCAR-H

>>872384
Top as in top of the mag?

>>872386
yes

>>872387
http://www.evike.com/products/33654/

>Replace seal
>Replace all orings
>Put teflon tape
>Lube it.

Have fun

>>872384
So is it like
>shot
>shot
>shot
>bolt doesn't travel the full way and the mag dumps gas

Because if so, it could be a couple of things.
Your hammer could be sticking, something is hanging up in the trigger mechanism, the cold weather is causing a phenomenon called"cool-down" in which the rapidly cooling gases inside the magazine decrease the pressure and thus doesn't create enough energy to fully cycle the bolt., or the mags might just be shit because WE Tec.

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>>872007
nah it's like pic

>>872398
Like I said, replace the rubber seal on the top........

>>872007
I've got one, well now I have the externals only as I kinda used them elsewhere.
It's like as fuck I would recommend it, I don't know about the A&K tho

Feed
Me
More

Any one have experience with the CO2 Nagant revolver? I'm thinking of buying one.

>Inb4 revolver ammo quantity
>Inb4 CO2 sucks

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>>872474
>no hop-up
>high and inconsistent fps (over 400)
Not really skirmishable OOTB, but it looks cool.

>>872474
Revolvers are fun
It's almost exclusively a heavy novelty backup or range toy though

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>guy selling his AEG
>custom paintjob

>>872667
Well, if he's selling his supr-oper8or MK18, I'd actually prefer if it was painted.

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>>872667
It really depends on the paint job. If it's a light dusting of tan paint or something that actually looks good than sure, but if it's some shitty hydro dip with skulls or some shit then they can fuck off.

>>872013
Will do.

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>>872681

Any thoughts on the A&K M249? Thinking of picking up the Open box deal.

Where the hell can I get an MP5k motor grip from?

>>872920
Considering that A&K and G&P are more or less the only manufacturers that still make the SAW, and the G&Ps normally goes for over $400 and are only available overseas, I'd say get it.
Just be ready to replace the shit internals.

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>>872474
The Nagant revolver is infamous for it's heavy trigger, consider if they'll try to replicate this.

It's also very clumsy to reload.
I wouldn't suggest one outside of collecting.

>>872523
>>873013
This is essentially true for all revolvers since gas semi autos will outperform them in every aspect.
Like, I still want a Maruahin Mateba but it's hard to justify a $200 wall hanger.

>>872474
If you're really keen on skirmishing with one, the Nagant revolver can be modded to have a fixed hop - have a search on Google, some guy on a forum put up instructions on how to go about it. The same can be done to a Webley replica, too.

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Can some one help me out? I recently got a 7 year old Tokyo Marui p90 that's hardly been in use, (two game days and a 24 hour milsim so I've been told), and it's range is abysmal as well as the fact that it has no semi auto mode.

help a brother out!

>>873144
Sounds like the hop up and trigger need to be replaced

>>873188
nice doubles, also I'll try fucking with the hop up...

>>873197
it's drop is just awful

>>873144
You need a new hop up bucking and a cut-off lever. A new nozzle and an O-ring for piston head might also help.

>>873641
how much would all this cost?

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>>873063
No, as in, the Nagant 1895 is an INCREDIBLY clunky design as far as revolvers go, the Single Action Army predates it and is a better weapon in every way that matters.

>trigger weighs in at something like 27lbs
>reloading is like a quadrapledic Colt
>you have to unhook the cylinder pin, then use it as an ejector-rod (no spring assist or anything)
There are much more practical revolvers available, that use CO2 (though typically most are inherently inaccurate and too powerful for skirmishing without special skirmish cartridges), unless you're collecting or re-enacting, consider other revolvers.

People like to say that it's low powered (as the only available commercial ammunition today are lukewarm target loads ), but actual Imperial and Soviet Russian military loadings clock in somewhere around the realms of a .32H&R Magnum, not a beast or anything, but actually pretty decent for a service revolver at the time (when similarly sized revolvers at the time were closer to .32ACP in terms of performance).

The only thing that really stands out about it is that the cylinder locks forward before the hammer drops, couple that with the extended brass hull poking into the barrel, and this creates a seal, meaning all the gas is used to project the bullet, rather than a considerable amount of it escaping around the forcing-cone (as it does near all revolvers). Besides making the most of the powder load, this also means that you can effectively put a silencer on the revolver, and make it rather quiet, this wasn't the original idea, but the Soviets figured this out and employed them with silencers for wetwork in the early parts of the 20th century.

>>873975
The Nagant just fucking werks though

>>873683
I'd bargain around $30 or so.

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>>874102
Oh yeah, sure, at the turn of the century it cut the mustard, it wasn't fantastic, but it was probably cheap and provided you with a handgun that you could shoot a couple of times.

It's a lot like the German Reich revolver, horribly obsolete and clunky by the time it was adopted, just about as uncomfortable to reload, and eventually replaced with an amazing automatic pistol, the Germans went from the Reich revolver to the Luger, the first practical automatic pistol in history, and the Russians went from the Nagant to the Tokarev, an overall very adequate automatic.

Interesting how the Germans and Russians had a similar transition like that.

>>874379
Everyone had that transition
IIRC the colt navy or whatever it was gave way to the 1911

>>874393
>Colt Navy
Hold on, the Navy stuck to a cap n ball piece while the Army was fielding a proper cartridge weapon, all the way until the advent of the 1911 pistol?

>>874413
It was the Navy and the M1892 for the most part
Yeah, the colt navy was in service for about 50 years.

>>874428
Almost forgot though that the Navys were retrofitted to fire .38 cartridges and there were other colts also in circulation using .38. Needless to say the US military used a lot of Colt designs before the 1911 came along.

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>>874413
The Air Force was using M16A1s and GAU-5s/XM177s until the mid 2000s; hell they still might have them in armories. They're also using an obsolete (albeit cool looking) gas mask along with the Navy.
Neither have land based infantry so they never really needed the cutting edge, or aren't given the funding since land based branches like the Army and Marines. This applies to the Navy using percussion cap revolvers in a time of rimfire.

>>874455
Nasty girls IIRC have old A2s and the like as standard issue in many places. Generally speaking only the Army and sometimes marines have the cutting edge service weapons.

>>874474
>>874455
Well I know that they still have lots of old ARs lying about and still being used, but the M16 is the M16 (the M16A4 is really just an M16A2 with an adjustable stock, RIS, and railed upper), if you rebarrel an M16A1 and use modern ammo and magazines, it will perform like an M16A4. The Colt Navy and the M1911 are quite a number of steps apart.

The M16A2 rifles remain in use because they still do what the M16 is supposed to do (though some are probably pretty worn), even though they might not be issued to frontline troops much.

>>874453
Oh shit, I forgot totally about the cartridge conversions, yeah, that would have made sense, I mean, a lot of the .45-70 trapdoor guns were converted from caplock muskets, you'd get the same end result with a cost saving.

>>874580
Essentially the transition from revolver to automatic pistol is going to be the same from automatics to energy weapons. It's highly drastic because revolvers rely on a rather different system than automatics. We're essentially in the 1860's or so if you want to compare automatics to energy weapons.

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>>874609
I don't think we'll see energy weapons as infantry weapons any time soon.
The closest might be some kind of railgun with a battery pack and separate projectiles, but that'd be a static or a vehicle emplacement at most. And even then you gotta question if it's even a practical weapon compared to existing cannons and machineguns.

We'll probably stick to cartridge firearms for hundreds more years, simply because it works so reliably and cheaply.

What we might see is a revolution in terms of materials or actions, or maybe cartridge types (telescoping ammunition for instance). I'd say we're at some manner of plateau in terms of firearms development, what we're focusing on these days is making existing ideas in a better way (better materials, better manufacturing techniques, etc), and for now this works.

>>874957
Rail guns are more of a pipe dream honestly
I think we'll see energy directed vehicle mounted and anti-vehicle weapons. We have the tech so once we find something that has high voltage and high capacity we can make energy weapons practical.

>>873975
>special skirmish cartridges

Pls tell me more...

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Guys
I've been out of airsoft for probably over a year now, and want to get back in. I haven't touched my funs or oiled them in the meantime, are they fucked?

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>>875626
I've left a TM pistol gassed up for over a year, it was fine.

The only way to find out is by shooting them, in any the worst that can happen is some dried out o-rings.

>>875635
>>875626

In case of gas mags, you want some gas in them for storage.

>>875569
They have a smaller hole in them, so don't shoot as hot.

>>875671
Where do i buy these?

>>875857
Pretty sure Evike sells them

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rate my fridge

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Finally got what I wanted. Shit, this thing was really hard to find. Still, I'm pretty happy. It's heavy, it's sturdy, except for the stock pin. I jury-rigged it with a matching nut and some electrical tape, until I find a replacement.

>>876178
lol friend of mine had the exact same problem, stock pin crapped out first game

also w2c sweater?

>>876184
Yeah, the nut got bent already. It took, like, 2-3 times
The sweater? Dunno, got it as a New Year gift.

>>876192
>2-3 turns of the stock, I mean

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Sup /asg/, half of my police loadout has arrived so I thought I'd show. It's not complete yet so don't judge too harshly.

Still to come:
Glock 17
Chunky Patrol helmet
More pouches
Patch for the front and full width patch for the back.
Full goggles
Balaclava that extends down the neck.


Just standing around in it in my house I was sweating up a storm, the dark navy ripstop shirt and trousers I got really aren't that breathable.

Anyone use a battlebelt rig, or battlebelt + carrier?
I run an AK with a plate carrier right now but the only place I can mount the pouches I have (2x double) are on the sides under my arms and it restricts my movements. Would AK mags be too large to fit on a belt?

>>876210
Let us know when you get the rest in.
Also you need kneepads and a radio w/ an earpiece

>>876212
>Would AK mags be too large to fit on a belt
>what is a smersh

>>876213
Kneepads are there. Sort of hard to see because its dark navy on black. I've got an old style Motorola radio (Think the ones they use at events, the ones that can be used as melee weapons) thats going to go on a pouch on my shoulder when they get them back in stock.

>>876212
Taco pouches fit AK mags just fine, you can carry AK mags on them, both on yout PC and belt

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r8 my b8 m8

A Christmas "spent"

kit:-
Condor ops Black chest rig
http://www.military1st.co.uk/mcr4-002-condor-ops-chest-rig-black.html
Flyye double p90 mag pouch
http://www.military1st.co.uk/fy-ph-m022-bk-flyye-double-p90ump-magazine-pouch-molle-black.html
Flyye single p90 mag pouch
http://www.military1st.co.uk/fy-ph-m021-bk-flyye-single-p90ump-magazine-pouch-molle-black.html
Warrior slimline folding dump pouch (Star buy, highly recommended!)
http://www.uktactical.com/p-8643-warrior-slimline-foldable-dump-pouch-black.aspx
Warrior medium utility pouch
http://www.uktactical.com/p-8641-warrior-medium-molle-utility-black.aspx
Flyye Admin storage pouch
http://www.military1st.co.uk/fy-ph-c003-bk-flyye-administrative-storage-pouch-molle-black.html
Flyye double 9mm pistol pouch (Holds mp5 mags really well)
http://www.military1st.co.uk/fy-ph-p008-bk-flyye-double-9mm-pistol-magazine-pouch-ver.-hp-molle-black.html
Warrior PLB Belt in tan (to be replaced with black)
http://www.uktactical.com/p-5459-warrior-plb-belt-coyote-tan.aspx
Warrior Universal pistol Holster (Seriously good piece of kit)
http://www.uktactical.com/p-11449-warrior-universal-pistol-holster-black.aspx
Helikon Tactical Baseball Winter Cap
http://www.military1st.co.uk/cz-bbw-fm-01-helikon-tactical-baseball-winter-cap-black.html
Helikon Urban Tactical Vent Gloves
http://www.military1st.co.uk/rk-utv-pu-01-helikon-urban-tactical-vent-gloves-black.html
Magnum Lynx boots
http://www.military1st.co.uk/m801199-021-10-magnum-lynx-8.0-boots-black-size-10.html
Knockoff magpul sling
Cheapo (but good) ebay £5 Ultrafire torch
Cold Steel training knife
Generic hoodie
Generic jeans

Gun is Force Core (Echo1/JG) AR57, just to piss off the purists.

To get:-
Dark grey/grey blue tactical soft-shell
Some kind of tactical jeans
Optics
GF

>>876232

Sorry for the photo quality, shot using potato.

I also have a WE M&P in my holster, I really can't overstate how nice the warrior universal holster is.

The AR57 is my project gun, I've got a P90 already tricked out with the works for use until I get this up to how I like.

>>876174
Chill/10

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Which do you hate more, Marks or Smarks?

>>876214
Smersh looks nice but I already have the plate carrier and can't justify a 150 vest.

>>876232
>tactical baseball cap

Where are the kneepads

>>876258
Russian loadouts arent cheap if you dont want to look like a highschooler communist. I just shelled out 240 for my FORT

>>876263
Not on my knees, obviously.

>>876232
Why magnums? Why not far superior hiking/mountain boots?

I dislike black gear, looks awful to me, nice quality picks tho.

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>>876178
Super fucking jelly.

>>876276
Yeah I have friends in RR and it's fucking insane how much they spend on kits; not to mention the price of preparing for and going to OPs.

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New year new project

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>>876332
Ew is that a Combat Machine?

In other news;
GET
FUCKING
H Y P E D

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>>876332
>>876338
>CM
>Ever
No of course not anon, that's a Top Tech

>>876340
Oh okay.
I saw the G&G markings above the trigger and instantly though it was a CM.

>>876338
LCT? Please Jesus let it be LCT.

>>876314
They where a gift.

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Learning photography, god I never thought it would be so complex.

>>876340
>TR-8R
noice

>>876338
when

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>>876356

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>>876376
Last one for today

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My torch is mounted underneath my barrel.

Tell me /asp/ies, what do you see.......

>>875857
I got mine on patrolbase, but I'm a brit.

Check ebay, they're just called power down shells.

>>876386
Oh anon... oh...
At least your enemies will fear getting shot by, well you know what.

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>>876346
NPO.

>>876356
Photography is pretty easy from an amateur perspective as long as you're not doing super high quality product shots and shit. It helps to understand things like white balance, lighting, and depth of field though if you want some decent photos.
Get yourself a Fujifilm X10 or something since those have really close focus distances and are dirt cheap.

>>>876346
>NPO.
One thousand dollars confirmed

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>>876386
That's going to be interesting for CQB and room clearing

>>876440
It's not like anyone outside of Russia will be able to get one.

>>876416
>NPO.
Shit. Not worth the grand it'll cost.

>>872409
great, i got it fixed
thanks anon!!

I just bought a galaxy MP5k aeg for £20

How bad is it going to be?

>>876612
bad

>>876212
AK mags would do just fine. HSGI Tacos or BFG Ten Speed pouches will work nicely with AK mags.

Hey guys! I know nothing about teching past changing hop ups/barrels/motors/general disassembly.

The mk 18 mod 0 is one of my dream guns and a guy in my state who is said to do semi professional tech work for the last 3 years (and said he can give lots of references and reps in the Facebook group) is selling a 2015 VFC mk 18 with the following. Does it all look good and solid build and won't go to shit on me next year?

Vfc gearbox she'll
Kwa 18:1
Shs m120 Spring
Ball bearing spring guide
Metal rack piston
Shs ball bearing piston head
Vfc cylinder
Shs cylinder head with sorbo pad
Shs tappet plate
Shs airnozzle
Complete tactics nukefet
JG blue motor
Tightbore barrel and rotary hopup unit
Shoots 400 with .25s
Crane stock has been modified to hold a brick lipo which can be included
Asking 300

>>876817
The battery included and being used is a 11.1 2650 man 40c lipo as well and gets about 25 rps. I'm mostly just worried about gears or motor dying out from that so should I be worried? Also not as important but he thinks the RIS on it is actually from kac. That's king arms right? Is that a decent manufacturer for external items like rails? I might end up buying the real steel DD rails for mod 0 but I'd still like to know.

>>876827
kac is Knights Armament
I think they make the real Mk18 rail but im not 100% sure
KA is kings arms

>>876842
Im 99% sure the real mk 18 rails are from daniel defense but since you were under the impression that knights armament makes the real ones I'm guessing they make good externals or the RIS on the gun is real steel since I am aware of some good Knights armament products on the market like their PDW. Thanks for answering that question! Hopefully some good techs can give second opinions on the motor and gearbox and piston stuff he has in there. I'd be way more comfortable if it had just been stock vfc lol

>>876842
Colt manufactures the rifles, KAC manufactures the RIS handguards.

>>876827
Madbull makes licensed parts for airsoft guns including rails, it's likely that.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Rare-Classic-Sheriff-SPAS-12-Gas-Airsoft-Shotgun-/262215332465?hash=item3d0d407271:g:dewAAOSw3KFWedvB
>tfw never ever

>>876949
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Rare-Classic-Sheriff-SPAS-12-Gas-Airsoft-Shotgun-/262215332465?hash=item3d0d407271:g:dewAAOSw3KFWedvB
>1 grand
>For a shotty
fuck it, Id rather buy marui 870 and hpa tap it

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>>876964
A grand is pretty steep, but from what little research that I've done in the past ten minutes shows that there were apparently somewhere around 50 made and they're at least a decade old.
Not to mention that Sheriff are the only ones who ever made a gas SPAS.

I really wish Marui would drop the AA12 and make a gas SPAS.

>>876612
Just what you would expect from cheap chinarifles
Shit: shimming, hop up bucking, AoE, compression, motor
Okay: gears, maybe piston and piston head

>>876817
The parts list looks decent, but not perfect. There's no mention of radiusing for the gearbox. The metal rack piston sounds bit fishy, but it's most likely good enough. Ball bearings aren't really something you want in your piston, because you want your piston to be as light as possible. Doesn't necessarily mean much in this setup though. A single sorbo pad doesn't necessarily mean that the AoE has been corrected. The tightbore may or may not be any more accurate than a stock barrel. It all depends on the manufacturer. There's no mention of hop up bucking, but I suppose you can make a flat hop yourself. JG Blue is a great motor. I wouldn't expect it to fail. The pinion gear might not mesh perfectly with the gear set though. KWA is supposedly a good manufacturers, but I have no experience of their parts. Generally speaking, chinese stock XYT gears can hold up pretty well M130 spring unless the shimming is shit, so I'd like to expect that the KWA gears aren't any worse. 18:1 ratio with 22TPA motor should reach only about 22-23RPS and the trigger response isn't all that great with 18:1 gears. 400fps with 0,25g bbs is almost 1,9J which translates to about 450fps with 0,2 although it may shoot little less due to how joule creep works.

I wouldn't buy it, because it's relatively expensive and still needs work. If you really want it, test it first and try to haggle for something like 250. If he doesn't budge, at least make sure the gearbox is radiused and the AoE corrected. I'm not a fan of buying used batteries, but if it's like 10$ and 3000mah 40C, then sure.

>>876612
For 20 euros, pretty darn good.

>>876976
Not happening faggot, AA12 is coming out in a few days.

>>876949
>1000usd
Gaddam I could almost buy a real SPAS-12 for that money.

>>876976
Given how iconic the SPAS is, you'd think that at least one more company would have done that.

>>877025
I'd honestly rather have a SPAS than an AA-12, and the SPAS isn't even a good gun.

>>877014
250 is kind of what I was thinking at. In the post below the lipo he's throwing in (for free) is a 40c 11.1 2650 brick.

AoE means angle of entry right? How will I know if he's corrected it, since I could just ask and he'd say yes? And I plan to use this in an indoor arena and use my scar for my outdoor games, luckily where I am they allow .25 and 400 is the limit. If it's shooting hotter how will I be able to lower fps without messing with what he's done? I know how to change bucking so if it's bad or stock I'm not worried, plus it's not old either. As long as I'm getting 20+ in CQB setting I'm not worried but trigger response is worrisome. I'm assuming chaging to 12-13:1 gears for better response would no coordinate with the rest of the set up and is also something I wouldn't do until I get into more intermediate tech work?


Also, how will I know if the gearbox is radiused? I'm always afraid of asking questions and people just saying yes. I can easily disassemble M4 systems so is it something I could check with my own eyes or do you need to open up the gearbox to see it?

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>>877053
>AoE means angle of entry right?
Angle of engagement. The angle that the sector gear grabs the piston. If it's bad, the gun will eat pistons for breakfast. He'll have to open the gearbox and take a picture to prove it. There's no other way unless he's drilled a hole for it. It should be like pic related.
>If it's shooting hotter how will I be able to lower fps without messing with what he's done?
The easiest way is to buy a Prometheus or Orga Wide bore barrel. Another way is to use full cylinder that's meant for long barrels. M16 or AK inner barrel when you want the usual FPS and a really short one when you want it reduced. I can't really say how much these methods reduce the FPS exactly though. Switching from stock inner barrel to a prometheus wide bore reduced about 390 to 330 with 0,20g bb which is about 1,4J to 1J.
>I'm assuming chaging to 12-13:1 gears for better response would no coordinate with the rest of the set up
If the gearbox is radiused and the AoE corrected, there's nothing that I'd see breaking assuming you'll do the shimming well. Maybe the bearings if they're 6-7mm.
>I wouldn't do until I get into more intermediate tech work?
Shimming the gears isn't really hard per se once you're comfortable at reassembling the gearbox. You'll just need time and patience to try again and again and again.

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>>877053
Here's how radiused gearbox should look like

>>877089
>>877095

You've been really helpful, thank you! Hopefully I get more opinions from some other people too but you've given me a lot to go off of and I really appreciate it, m8

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Is there a nicer looking BASR then the L96 AWS?

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>Tfw 2016 release date

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>>876340
Hello fellow windows phone

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>facebook group for selling airsoft stuff
>dude asks to buy an AK toprail

>>876817
>>876827

Bumping these two posts

>>877434
God anon don't post those images, that's fucking disgusting. >>>/b/

>>877358
Windows phone best phone.

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I got a question. I have an AGM MG42 and I was wondering - if I use a 10.8 or 11.1 will the gearbox hold and work properly or will it shit itself and explode after a while?
[spoiler]Im not into technicalities really[/spoiler]

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>>877345
It's always nice to have more variety, but the AA-12 seems so ugly and niche.

I wish TM would get round to doing a Browning HP GBBP, or G3 AEG

>>876210
You should opt for carhartt or dickies cotton pants and shirt in navy or black. A lot security companies use them instead of ripstop

>>877497
TM were the first to make a G3, you dingus.

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>>877497
I'm pretty sure this is a TM G3, and an AEG. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

>>877259
AWM, Sako TRG, Blaser R93, Remington MSR.

>>877536
>>877544
My mistake (was only aware of the SAS and SG1 models), but still could do with an update ie. metal body like there more recent AEGs, like the FAMAS.

>>877579
That G3 has a metal body.

>>877497
The AA-12 is ugly-pretty
Sure its not elegant, but in a way it has its own charm as a result. It looks like a function over form design, almost like it were needed in an industrial setting.

>>877579
A metal FAMAS? From TM? Nigga, you high. No-one does a metal FAMAS, let alone Tokyo Marui. It's completely unnecessary, as the real rifle has a polymer body anyway.

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>>877579
>metal body
>like the FAMAS

>>877583
The stock TM one has a crappy old creaky plastic body.

>>877621
I think one of the China clones had a metal lower receiver, and the real rifle isn't polymer, it's some alloy with fibreglass pinned to it.

In any case I guess it's just a pipe dream, the G3A3 and FAMAS are old hat now, I think the market demands more modern weaponry anyway.

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>>877476
Gonna bump this because this is kind of a problem right now for me and I need to buy a decent battery so this thing will actually fire like an MG42

>>877621
>>877637
>FAMAS
>metal body
Sorry, complete brain fart there. I meant to say it would be nice to see AEGs like the FAMAS updated to include a metal body (plus new gear box V3 or whatever would fit).

>>877583
The only companies to make metal G3s were Classic Army and G&G; and good luck getting them new unless you live in Germany since Begadi owns the exclusive distribution rights to Classic Army's G3s.

>>877641
>Mfw I live in yuropoor
>Mfw don't want a G3

>>877638
>>877641
>>877643
That TM G3 is mine, and is fitted with CA's metal body.

>>877544
>>877645
It's a good looking thing, but what's with the notches on the handguard?

>>877656
I was 16, and thought it was an excellent idea to carve a killcount on an irreplaceable CA33 forend. :3

>>877659
Ha, well at least they were neatly carved, I guess you could always epoxy them if you really wanted to get rid of them.

>>877659
>>877677
He could also try to make some trench art from the design

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>>876178
>Dat FNC tho

>>867250
Which metal airshit guns are most like their real-steel counterparts for the purposes of durability and milsim? I want something I can beat the shit out of and use it as a training version of something out of my safe.

>>877606
>The AA-12 is ugly-pretty
The standard one is ugly as hell to me. Now, I'm not a guy for camo patterns, but digital and desert camo is really the only way the AA-12 can look good.

>Sure its not elegant, but in a way it has its own charm as a result. It looks like a function over form design, almost like it were needed in an industrial setting.
As functional as a full-auto shotgun can be (as in; not very, in terms of practicality).
They should have made it a closed-bolt semi-auto only, operating on gas.
There's a reason the only sales the AA-12 is seeing is to movie armorers and FFLs who think it'd be fun to have one. The USAS-12 was better in every way that mattered.

>>877621
>It's completely unnecessary, as the real rifle has a polymer body anyway
I thought it was just parts of it that were plastic? I recall hearing stories of the plastic handguards on them breaking back in the 60's.

Shame the French didn't really go for full adoption of the G2 model, it really fixed all the issues with the FAMAS and was actually a very good rifle.
I wouldn't really want to lug around an F1 if I could help it, but I'd not complain at all about a G2.
The one thing I'd change would be to give it a railed flat-top receiver, the charging handle could be moved, and as much as I like rifle grenades, nobody uses them so the gas-cutoff might as well be removed.

>>877771
From what I heard E&L makes some really durable guns. They are also releasing a m4 now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KToE4m48fvQ

>>877517
Yeah I might. Ripstop is really heavy and hot but they were also the only cheap option for dark navy which is a colour I really wanted.

It was either that or pay £140 for a set of 5.11 dark navy combats.

Hey guys,

I'm buying a new gun after not playing for ~1 year. I'm deciding between an APS (Silver Edge gearbox) or a Specna Arms (E&C?) with a grenade launcher which I know is quite useless but still kinda want. Also, the Specna Arms one is a bit cheaper.

Does anybody here have experience with these guns? Which one should I buy?

thx

>>877850
Specna Arms all the way, APS is a fucking lottery. Looks cool and all but who knows if you get a lemon or not.
Specna Arms is the mid end G&P and is compatible with many aftermarkets unlike APS

>>877893
>lottery
Is that so? Never heard that. That being said, I think I could fix a lemon, but you made me lean seriously a lot towards the Specna.
>not compatible
Which parts?

And how are the externals on both guns? I want something that'l withstand a tiny bit of abuse.
Also am I dumb for wanting a grenade launcher?

>>877901
Externals are nice on APS's but SA has that cool feel.
APS silver edge comes usually with EBB which is pure shit, it tends to break shit, on mine it broke the hop dial screw.
SA holds well, has a somewhat quick change spring system and internals are fine. I would love having the M16 with UGL

>>877771
Systema makes guns that are meant to be treated like real firearms, but they're expensive and only come as ARs and MP5s.
Your best bet would be E&L or GHK for AKs.

>>877893
>>877908
now that I think about it, P&J also comes to mind, and APS doesn't seem so attractive anymore. What about P&J?

>>877771
I've got a chink AK which I upgraded >>876340 and man it's a fucking rock.
I need guns that are sturdy because I'm a bit clumsy and I usually don't treat stuff well. With this one I only broke the muzzle threads (had to change the full barrel assembly tho)
If you want muh reliability get an E&L.

>>877950
P&J is a chink brand, I think it's an A&K rebrand or something. Not bad, they are quite rugged but I would go for Specna if you can.
Avoid at all costs Dboys ARs and G&G Combat machines.

>>877948
There's also Fight Club Custom, which is a step up from a Syatema but they generally cost more.

>>877956
I actually handled a P&J before actually. Thing was heavier than I was used to, but it didn't feel like breaking anytime soon. Also yeah, they're rebranded, but upgraded (and surprisingly well) A&K's

>>877964
I have a couple of their stuff in my AK and I ensure you they are strong parts, but I don't really know how the full AEGs are.
They do feel like the stronges chinese ARs

>>877956
I've never even heard of P&J. Is that more of a EU thing?