/aco/ commission thread

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Anchor post for sheets and sales

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OP pic doodled by /aco/'s own Boxman (https://boxmanspornbox.tumblr.com/), who also did this lovely pic, which is the result of our first Pokemon Collab at the Discord

We are going for a sequel, two whole new girls, four new pokemon. If you are interested in throwing your cash at him for some amazing pokesmut, join the server and come to #poke_collab

>>1102940
>>1102942
Post a fucking anchor or at least a fucking relevant /aco/ image you attention whoring piece of shit faggot.

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Any artists want to go ahead and help me finished up a half finished piece that an artist abandoned? They've got pretty much everything sketched, and they got half of it (most of the really hard parts) colored, but after that WIP they just fell off. This is a finished piece by the artist, and they just left me hanging with mine halfway through. Would obviously pay, hence why I'm not in the color thread.

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Who draws:
- Traps
- $10 tiers

I just want to expand my Marco folder with a variety of artists.

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>>1102942
Still have 6 sketch slots open! I'm working on them inbetween finishing some color commissions
Discord: TangoBat#1736
http://tangobat.tumblr.com/commissions

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>>1102961
I could do something like pic related for 10.
Email is [email protected].
I don't have a sheet right atm, but you can look up some of my other stuff on doink3000 on tumblr. None of the rest is traps, though.

>>1102992
Out of curiosity, how much time do you usually spend on a sketch?

>>1103042
I aim for around an hour total, sometimes it's more if I need to experiment with the poses or the client wants revisions

>>1103066
Shit, that's faster than I'd expected. Guess I need to git gud.

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3 slots still open.

http://dublymike.tumblr.com/

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>>1102942 >>1103042 >>1103083 (image broke, re-uploading)
Still have 6 sketch slots open! I'm working on them inbetween finishing some color commissions
Discord: TangoBat#1736
http://tangobat.tumblr.com/commissions

Question.
What are "slots"?

>>1103123
Sent one off your form recently, hope I did it decently enough.

>>1103131
How many spaces they have for taking on commissions.

i.e. six slots means they can take six commissions

>>1103131
Most people like myself treat slots like reservations, or waiting in a queue with limited capacity

>>1103132
No worries, got your submission!

>>1103148
>>1103165
Why have a limited capacity though? Couldn't you just have an infinite queue system?
What's the benefit?

>>1103178
Gives an indication of how long it'll be and also stops the artist from getting swamped.

>>1103178
>>1103179 This
Having too many slots means you either aren't going to get to finish them all quickly, or you effectively have a giant waitlist, which may discourage potential customers

>>1103200
But if you have enough clients that you have a big waiting list, what's the problem with discouraging further customers?

>>1103228
If he has six slots open, then he doesn't have a big waiting list. Why does it matter so much to you buddy?

>>1103228
Lots of artists like to do commissions in slots because there's an "end" if you know what I mean. You do 6 slots, then open six more when you're done.
It makes it feel less like a constant slog, you can control what kind of commissions you're getting too. Tango has got sketch slots atm, so obviously want to get some quick work done.

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>>1102942
http://www.hentai-foundry.com/user/JP15Comm/profile

Rent's not paid

>>1103276
I'm asking because I'm new to taking commissions and I don't know how or why things work the way they do. The whole "slots" system seems inefficient to me, so I was wondering if there was some perspective I was lacking.

>>1103326
That's some good value for $5.

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>>1102942
I maaade one.

some people last thread were asking about shit like pixels and driders and shit. I figure I need to make a sheet that shows I can do all of that. I fucking love drawing monsters. If someone wants monsters fucking, I can draw that.

>>1103427
>no base price
Nah, you need a base price.

>>1103427
>Robo-Dino

That speaks to the little childhood me so damn much.

>>1103448
I got over 200 o'dem fuckers
>>1103444
I mean, if you want a really low detail nekkid person just standing in a neutral-ass pose, I don't even know how little I would charge for that. 12? What if you didn't even want it colored? like, 8? I could do that in 5 minutes. There's no lower limit.

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>>1102942
new and improved price sheet

>>1102952

Name the artist so they can't strike again.

>>1103637
Hentai Foundry finally got rid of the silly submission approval process?

>>1103326
you got any other ways of getting in contact? Discord? Tumblr? Am very interested in a discussion with you about a large scale project, paid of course.

>>1103664
Other than messages on HF and email, I don't have anything else.

Just finished getting a commission from Knullmannen. Very good service, and extremely forgiving of my nitpicking / quick to fix up any issues I had.

>>1103647
It's in the pic. TheBlueFury. Mentioned him a few threads ago. We speculated he may be dead.

>>1103714
Ref sheet?

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>>1103726
He might have a newer one, but this is what I had.

>>1103723
That would be really unfortunate, everything went fine when I went to him, and I was apparently his first customer, too.

>>1103765
Yeah I contacted him in the same thread that you did. Back in September or whatever. Got a dope WIP in October and then it was all quiet on all fronts. He hasn't posted on Tumblr in forever.

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>>1102942
3 slots left

>>1103306
I never understood it before, but that makes a lot of sense. I feel really weird when I have endless commissions
it's even weirder when I'm on retainer (well not in the sense of getting paid) on an ongoing project, but because it's still in alpha none of it has to be done right away, and i'm even getting paid to sketch

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>>1102942
Shilling

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>>1103784
ok they got filled fast, thanks if anyone came to me from this post.

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>>1102942
Yo yo. I'm back

>>1104387
oops>>1102942

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January Sale!

http://dizzydizzydemon.tumblr.com/

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>>1102942
Gotta earn the steak.

Sketches (not pictured) - $5

Clean Linework - $15 for a full body shot
- - - - - - +$5 for b/w flats or hard shadows
- - - - - - +$10 for colored flats or hard shadows
- - - - - - +$15 for full detail color with highlights and soft shadows

Additional characters for 50% extra per new character.

Blank or super simple background free of charge; more detailed backgrounds starting at $10 depending on complexity.

I also do a bit of animation, but we're going to have to talk it out if you're interested in that.

I'm open to most fetishes, though the most extreme ones might cost ya a little extra $$$.

Contact information:
http://dominion-five.tumblr.com/tagged/draws
[email protected]

>>1104606
Gore warning would have been nice. What does sketch tier look like?

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>>1102942
Well, hello!

>>1104854
>muh trigger warnings

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>>1104854
Sketches look like this.

Also, are warnings really necessary? This is a red board after all.

>>1105082
>This is a red board after all.
Yeah but guro's banned so it's a bit of a shock to go to someone's blog and see teeth being pulled out, limbs being torn off and blood everywhere etc.

>>1105091
A'ight, point taken.

>>1104474
>>1102942

Overlooked the anchor post.

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>>1102942
Happy new year /aco/!

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>>1102942
supermarmalademum.tumblr.com

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>>1105276

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>>1102942
Other things I like to draw:
>Futa
>Pregnancy
>sloppy blowjobs

Other things I don't like to draw
>Gore/vore/violence

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>>1105300
I also do SFW character portraits

>>1105160
>Barbara as the example image

A person after to my own heart.

I'd love to commission some porn, but I'd be too worried about people finding out about it, what are the chances of that happening? Probably worried for nothing. Maybe no one cares that I'd pay money for strange porn.

>>1104854
were you triggered by indiana jones or mortal kombat? it's just a little blood and a ripped out heart.
>>1105091
now see, yeah, teeth pulled, that's another story. oh i see you're talking about the LINK. well that's.. yeah

Man, I really wanna commission more but I've already commissioned a few things this year and we're less than a week in.

>>1105533
It's fine. No one's going to find out unless they read your emails. And no one's going to leak your emails because then they'll never have another customer.

>>1105533
...How would anyone ever know?

I can't imagine any of the artists here go around posting lists of their clients or anything like that. Especially if you ask them not to.

>>1105533
People typically don't care.

Anyway, I wish more artists would specify if they drew furs and pones. I have a few friends with fur/pone OCs and I want to get them art. Maybe there's something in the /trash/ about that kind of art.

>>1105533
I have a bunch of artwork that i was asked to either never say whom commissioned it and or simply not post it. So doing something like that for you would not be too much of a change for me.
>>1104193

>>1105577
the only way anyone would know is if it was a distinctive OC
and even then it's like.. you don't have to post it online. you can just keep it to yourself. I have a few clients like that

>>1105533

The most you can really do is tie an ambiguous email name to your PayPal account.

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>>1102942
*You can bribe me to draw "No go/Maybe" themes
Email me at: [email protected]
>>1105720
You can always commission anonymously

>>1105746
When you say real people do you mean characters that are normal humans because you don't have any on your sheet, or do you mean you won't draw something based on a picture of a real person like a celebrity?

>>1105777
IRL people, generally celebrities I would guess but >>1105746 with all furs and anthro-heavy monster girls does this really belong here?

>>1102942
$10-15 for full color/rendering depending on size/medium/etc, sketches $5-10

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>>1106191
image didnt upload lol

>>1106191
Where's your example image?

>>1106193
that is one beautiful peach she's sporting inside that pumpkin

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>>1106203
theres plenty more where that came from

>>1106191
Invest in a scanner

>>1106336
or scam an investor

>>1105937
Are there artists here that would do celebrities or a person the customer knows IRL?

>>1106373
yeah dude if anyone gave me shit about it i'd just say 'some guy paid me to draw it. you'd do it too'

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>>1104474

Just finished a recent commission.

>>1105160
This looks really good.

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>>1106336
plannibg on it, boss

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>>1102942
Black and white - $15
Colored - $25

Comics - $30 per page.
Comics (color) - $35 per page.

Additional characters are $5 each.

I will draw loli, and most extreme fetishes.

Contact:
http://redmatsumoto.tumblr.com
[email protected]

>>1106373
>>1106816
I have Check it out - http://redmatsumoto.tumblr.com/post/155471926961/redhead-commission

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>>1105577
>>1106816
I do fur and ponies

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A santystuff delivery.

>>1106817
Thanks, I like your art!

>>1106824
I think a lot of us do even if we dont mention it

>>1106191
>>1106193
Did you even post contact info?

>>1107220
sorry, forgot about that, here ya go
[email protected]

>>1107224
Sent you an email.

>>1105576
>>1105577
>>1105625
>>1105720
I guess the chances are pretty small of being found out, i'm just not the best at coming up with unique usernames so sometimes i use nicknames based on my name so maybe thats why i'm so worried, stupid i know but i cant do much about past dumb internet mistakes

>>1107381
If you're worried about it just tell the artist you'd like to remain anonymous.

How do you remain anonymous as the artist when receiving payment, by using a Paypal Business account instead of a Private one?

Sorry if my question is stupid...

>>1107607
Yes, using a business account lets you show your business' name instead of your personal name.

I wouldn't worry too much, though. Most artists around here can be discreet if asked to.

>>1107619
I see, thank you

Any artists who like doing hardcore tentacle-y stuff? Belly bulges and cum inflation and the like?

>>1107628
I got your back, bro. Check me out over here >>1104606

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Does anyone do full-bodied women sorta like Buru or Orushibu? I want something for an OC but Buru is always closed and too expensive for me

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>>1107628
Fucking love it
>>1103637

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>>1107628
Like this? Or not hardcore enough?

>>1107607
I use my private account to accept payment for my work, i just make sure not to directly reference my work with anything to do with paypal.

So I just noticed that a recent client of mine has uploaded my work on paheal.
This is fine (I was actually planning to upload it myself), but I forgot to sign the version I sent him so there's nothing linking it to me in case anyone who sees it goes "wow, I'd like to see more of this guy's stuff".
Is there anything I can do to link it to me, except upload a version with my signature?

>>1108315
The way I see it you have two good options:
1. ask the commissioner to put in a request to paheal to replace the file with the one that has your signature (which you'll just put on imgur or something so they can access it online easily)
2. put your name in the tags and just trust that people will believe the tag was put there legitimately. They're rarely contested. Plus if you post your file somewhere else you can put it as the source (I think you don't have to be the uploader for that)

>>1108315
Tag yourself as the artist. Post it somewhere else like tumblr or pixiv and then fill in the source section with the link to your page. Or simply comment on the image and say, "Hey, I did this piece, if you like it, check me out."

>>1108325
>>1108329
That sounds good, thanks!
Regarding sources, I only uploaded one of the three variants I made on my tumblr. Would it be inappropriate to link the other variants to the same tumblr post?

>>1106885
I know that furry is frowned upon outside of /trash/, but I'd like to see some anthro girls consensually getting dickings by monsters and such.

>>1108341
nah, upload the variants instead. a lot of people like variants so it makes you look like a good commissioner

>>1108356
I don't think many people frown on it outside of memery
I can totally draw that shit. i love monsters.
I've got a little furry shit on that furaffinity site, kairuhakubi on there. most of it's not online at all though, and I only use FA for commissionry. furries have deep pockets. so far sadly not a lot of bites

>>1108424
Ehh, but then I've got a bunch of nearly-identical images cluttering the dash on my tumblr.
Is there a way to post thumbnails on tumblr?

>>1108433
oh I thought you meant paheal
i dont know from tumblr

>>1108435
No, the variants are already on paheal; I was wondering if I could put the source for all of them as the one variant I upload to my tumblr or if that's a faux pas.

>>1107631
>>1108007
Sweet, checking it out. Guessing tentacles generally count as a second character?

>>1108064
I was thinking a bit more hardcore than that. (The word hardcore no longer means anything.) Not to the point of guro though.

>>1108558
>Guessing tentacles generally count as a second character?
Personally I consider tentacles as disembodied penises, and I don't charge for them. Other artists might disagree, though.

>>1108443
Hmmmmm. nah I think that's fine.

>>1108785
I would only charge a few extra dollars for tentacles, unless they had to have detailed octopus suckers along the bottom of each one

>>1108785
>>1108881
It feels like an individual basis thing. One or two isn't more work than a floating dong and could easily be free, but a character all wrapped up in tendrils would be considerably more work.

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>"I need an artist who is good at drawing X character"
If you do this, you need to be fucking punched

>>1108558
>Guessing tentacles generally count as a second character?
Not unless you want like really complicated patterns and shit. Otherwise they are free. Same with floating dicks, only if you want an excessive number of them.

>>1109098
honestly, most of the time I see stuff like "who enjoys drawing ____?" I go "uh, everyone, if you're paying" but I understand maybe they mean who has the PASSION for it that comes out in art..
if they have a specific character in mind, I definitely assume that's what they mean. Someone who really likes a character... aaand someone who will probably take the price down a bit because they enjoy drawing that character and can do it easily without a lot of preparation

>>1109098
To be fair I wouldn't commission someone if they're unfamiliar with the subject at hand and is uncomfortable drawing it.

Anyone be willing to do some WoW Tauren on Pandaren smut?

>>1109098
Characters tend to have personalities. Those character traits and mannerisms can and often do come through in the art. If someone is not familiar with the character a piece can feel shallow and unsatisfying.

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>>1102942

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>>1109425

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>>1109425
>>1109432
Fun person to work with here, I can vouch for them being a friendly person to get a bit of work from, and PWYW sketches is a nice deal, I think!

>>1109434
Wow, awesome that you were in this thread posting the whole time and just happened to be here as soon as they showed up to vouch for them within minutes of their arrival.

This completely impartial third party testimony is very moving.

>>1109502
You're just now noticing this? Lots of these artists have been pulling the old near-immediate "thanks for this I highly recommend" trickeroo since early iterations of this thread.

>>1108558
Well, i would not mind doing something like that. Here is my commission info.
>>1104193

>>1107607
Bitcoin is the real way, though it comes with drawbacks.

>>1109350
Sure
>>1104193

>>1109505
I used to think this, but then I had one of my clients shill me so hard even I was wondering if it was legit, so now I'm not so sure.

>>1109425
>>1109432
>>1109434
I almost feel bad for you dude. This is just sad.

>>1109098
I've had so many commissions where the artist just hasn't captured the look right.

And if I want a trap, I want an artist that understands the appeal of it.

>>1109652
How much of a discount would make you consider it worthwhile to risk commissioning an artist who hasn't shown they know what they're doing with a specific character, or some slightly niche thing like traps?
Others feel free to chip in with their opinions.

>>1109679
I wouldn't be looking for a discount.

Sometimes in the past, I've asked an artist if they wouldn't mind doing a 2 minute headsketch. I've had a few good commissions from that.

Sometimes even an artist I've commissioned before will just get it wrong so it's up to the commissioner to try and figure out who's a good fit for the particular image. I'm almost put off by the "draw anything" tag.

>>1109686
So, putting something like "If you want something that's not represented in my gallery, I'll be happy to draw you a quick sketch to let you see if I get it" in my sheet would be a better idea?

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>>1109690
Maybe but I'd be worried about people taking the piss out of it so it might be better just to get them to contact you if something's not covered in your gallery to discuss it first. Then it's up to you whether to provide a sketch or not.

Pic related. Trying to figure out the best artist to make some sexbotified Rick and Morty characters.

>>1109695
>I'd be worried about people taking the piss out of it
Well, I'm not too worried about people trying to waste 20 minutes of my time every now and then.
I'm not exactly drowning in clients right now.

>>1109739
Which artist are you, anon?

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>>1102942
Finally got around to making a new sheet. Nothing important is missing, right?

>>1109779
This one >>1109782

>>1107640
Save up for it then faggmo.

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>>1109502
>>1109554
>tfw I did this to an artist when they posted
I didn't know people got pissy when others vouched for artists
Anyway I can recommend quixed. It was my first YCH kind of deal and I really liked the results

how profitable is doing porn commissions?
Can I quit my job and just do this?

>>1109886
It's possible, but depending on your local cost of living, what you're willing to draw and your skill as an artist and businessperson, it could be really hard. Definitely don't expect to make a living off of it before you've spent a while doing it.

>>1109907
I just want to make about $300 a month, that's how much my current salary is anyway

>>1109502
>>1109505
>>1109510
>>1109554
>>1109859
It's reasonable for artists to namefag, but as a commissioner, I'd feel it's kind of unnecessary. I'm not the guy who just touted that artist, but I do almost always immediately make a post about my experience with an artist after I've finished a commission, and oftentimes, it's right near a post from the artist saying he's open again. Should I start namefagging if I'm a regular commissioner who's vocal about his experience with artists?

>>1109886
Overall, i make somewhere between 300 to 500 per month, and that is including all of commissions i do including porn.

Now, i think i should mention two things.
1-I have to work my fucking ass off to do all of that work to make that amount of money and a lot of work just to find new commissions and new clients.
2-Some times ill make less then 200 and get very little work.

In other words, being a freelance artist is not all it is cracked up to be... Well, unless you are already extremely populor and can charge like 100+ for a sketch. And ya, i have seen that done before and people will throw their money at some artists, no matter how much they charge for their work.

>>1109938
freelance sounds really risky, have you worked as an in house artist, how is it?

I really want to shift my career from a programmer to an artist

>>1109924
That's definitely possible. In the two months I've been doing commissions, I've averaged a little over $150 per month, and I haven't even tried advertising outside of this thread yet.
>>1109782 is me, in case you're wondering what level of art that is.

But get your porn commissions business set up to take the slack before you quit your day job.

>>1109925
I guess so. I just happened to have popped into the topic right when the artist had given me another mail message (time zone differences are a pain) and figured I'd taut them a bit. Done it a couple times already when I got a piece I'd like to share and a person I want to shill (usually santystuff around here). Didn't think things would end up blowing up like that after going to bed.

>>1107640
I'm up for it. Send me an email or message me on tumblr.
Mobile-kun.Tumblr.com
>>1105300

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>>1109958
This was a draw request I did, what do you think? How would do in the porn commission business.
I also feel a little guilty going into this, adding to the competition. I'm not the competitive type and my mom, who is an accountant, said I would fail as a business man cause I always do things for free

>>1109993
You would definitely fail as a businessman if you always do things for free. Listen to your mother, anon.

>>1109993
Honestly, focus on improving first. Your art has way too many issues for it to the marketable

Study anatomy before trying to draw anything lewd

>>1109993
You've got the gist of it, but you do need more practice. Do some figure drawing, analyze perspectives and anatomy, you'll get there yet.

>>1110004
To be fair, I see a lot of artists in this thread who don't necessarily understand anatomy at all.

>>1109993
Like I said, I've only been doing this for a few months, so I'm hardly an expert, but your basic construction, perspective and anatomy feel kind of weak. Try getting into the habit of doing 30 minutes or more of studying (not just drawing from imagination; use reference!) every day.
How long did you spend on that piece?

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>>1110003
yeah I should. I don't know why but it's like I don't value my work enough to ask money for it, back in college people would pay me for a poster and I'd ask "really you're paying that much?". wtf is wrong with me

>>1110004
>>1110012
I've been practicing everyday since November, I actually ended playing vidya last was the Overwatch Halloween event cause I really want to work as an artist. Being a programmer is numbing my brain
>>1110016
about an hour
currently studying anatomy but because of the latest SU leaks I've been drawing fanart haven't really practiced lately

>>1109957
Never done that before. What does that imply, being an in house artist?

>>1110087
like you're employed as a regular employee for a studio or company

>>1110043
Okay, pro tip; don't use a five-character drawing that you spent an hour on as a portfolio piece. That's twelve minutes per character.
It's very rare that people want quality that low. Something drawn like the study you posted could easily be sold if you spent a few more minutes cleaning it up, so try and spend that much effort on every character you draw whether it's commissions, requests or just fan art you draw for fun.

>>1110095
yeah, I wouldn't expect that to sell, that's my only NSFW request I've drawn

It's just that I only get 2 hours of free time when I get home from work. I want to draw as fast as I can so I can do more draw requests. Draw requests are so fun for me I'd only sleep for 6 hours(this definitely contributes to the stress) cause I spent the night drawing.

>>1110139
Well, in my experience you don't get good at being fast by trying to be as fast as possible, but by taking your time to do it properly so you eventually don't need to spend as much time to do it properly. It sucks, but you're gonna have to be patient with your draw requests if you want to make things that could eventually get people interested in commissioning you.

>>1110093
HA! Never had anything close to that. Would not mind having it though.

>>1110156
well, it was just a draw request though. cause in my mind when anons have a draw request they want it asap. but if someone was paying me I'd give my all and probably spend 3 days

>>1110163
if and when I quit my current job in-house would be the safer bet, freelance seems scary if you don't have clients

>>1109350
I enjoy doing furry shit,
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/shushup
>>1103637

>>1110182
Yeah, but you gotta spend that time so prospective clients can see that you know how. Otherwise they'll see a portfolio full of rushed art and assume that's all you're capable of.

When you see a request you'd like to do, just tell the anon that it'll take a while. Post WIPs in the thread. I know /aco/'s drawthreads can run for several days at a time.

>>1110193
never thought of it that way, but I wouldn't consider my draws as portfolio pieces but rather just doodles

haven't really started building a portfolio because I still improving

>>1110043
This looks good enough that it would make me interested in your gallery.

>>1109993
This image would put me off.

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>>1105777
I mean IRL people, celebrities or otherwise, humans and humanoids are perfectly fine

>>1105937
>with all furs and anthro-heavy monster girls does this really belong here?
Sorry but those are the best examples I have for each category

>>1110258
>interested in your gallery
thanks, don't have one though

>put me off
kinda ashamed of it myself. It was fun to draw and I was laughing the whole time

>>1109505
huh? when mine do it, it's real. sometimes after I finish something I ask if they'll post something like that in here, or if they'll reply when I post like 'finished a commission' and post it here.
it's not that strange that both the artist and commissioner would be in here especially right after they finished something and now want to do another

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Is Insufferable Crap still around?

>>1110433
Try the email address you just posted?

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What do you do when you get a first sketch of your pic and it's just nothing like you had imagined, in a bad way?

The artist didn't really get what you had in mind, or doesn't really know how to do the bodytype you asked for and stuff like this?

How do you salvage a pic without writing a wall of text about everything that's wrong?

>>1110706
At a certain point the wall might be the best option beyond cutting your losses and saying they just aren't what you're looking for. Better than slowly picking at it email after email, or sucking it up and paying for something you don't want.

>>1110706
It's best to be honest with them. don't be mean about it but just be clear that this isn't at all what you wanted, and ask if they're willing to start over.. if not, just cancel the whole thing. if so, apologize for not being clear enough(even if you were) and get more specific about what you do want.

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>>1105356
yeah I really have a thing for redheads, here's another I just did for the drawthread

>>1102940
Does anybody do SFM type stuff here or know a good person to contact for that sort of thing?

>>1110749
>have a thing for red heads
>commission another artist
>see this and cheaper and better
>feel like im abandoning the other artist despite having a long term relationship already

This is was being a jew must feel like.

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>>1107628
I like tentacles!
didn't get the chance to do some hardcore stuff myself tho, here's the closest I did

>>1110752
I like Redmoa's work but I've never commissioned him.

>>1110754
anyone who accepts payment understands that another person might do it for less money. live by the capitalism, die by the capitalism. you don't cry foul when luck swings the other way, any more than you refuse to accept it when you have good luck

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>>1109502
>>1109432
I had this SFW from quxied and she did an amazing job. Good turn around and good communication.

Don't think this was self posting.

>>1110824
Whoops *quixed

>>1110824
honestly, and this is just going to sound like more dicksucking, but someone that good doesn't need to sockpuppet

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>>1110824
This is a joke, right?

>>1110836
I don't get it. LB is an artist that posts here, afaik

>>1110836
What are you getting at? I commissioned quixed.

>>1110840
is it common for artists to commission other artists? I've only done it once. my usual thinking is 'I could do it myself. and if not, I should train until I can'

>>1110844
>>1110840
I mixed them up as the same artist for a second. Whoops!

>>1110824
>bad artists paying other bad artists for bad art
Sounds about right.

>>1110846
Yeah, I do commission other artists if I like their stuff! I can draw it myself, but I like to see things in a different style.

>>1110824
how much extra for color

>>1110860
I'm not the artist my dude. >>1109432

>>1110867
I know, how much did it take for color?

>>1110882
Oh! Sorry I'm so spacey.
£40.

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>>1102961
traps are fun
>10$
it's a little low, but I'm in the mood for some traps so I guess I could do a colored sketch for that price if it's just a single character;

hit me up if you want to discuss it, my mail is

[email protected]

my tumblr
http://enf-lover-draws.tumblr.com/
my stuff on the booru
http://the-collection.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=enf-lover

>>1109782
Doink is great, especially for their price point, and put up with my weird bullshit. Highly, highly recommended.

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Just thought I'd post this here, I acquired this commissioner here and now I'm working on this game project thing which is pretty tits. This is a model sheet for their mascot
One recurring thing I love about commissions is they get me drawing shit I would never draw otherwise.. like shortstacks... or usb cables.

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>>1110433
I think he said something about going into service(military?). I might be completely wrong, but it's a shame if that is the case since I was hoping for him to add more to the animation I got from him whenever I get my hands on more money.

>>1110846
Funny, I was going to ask this earlier, and came up with similar answers to love-bumble. I had a similar thing happen recently, though writing instead of art. It's interested to see how other people do it, the kind of style and prose and such they'll use.

>>1111634
Not bad. Meant to ask you recently to gauge something since you've been pretty amiable about answering questions on what you do and price ranges and stuff, what would a naked animu girl holding a plushie version of the giant robot she pilots likely cost from ya?

>>1111804
unless she's doing complex gymnastics whilst holding it, I'd say that'd be really cheap. Assuming she doesn't have a really elaborate hairstyle, and assuming this robot plush should be really simplified down, shit that one could easily be 16 bucks. Like, I WANT to say 18, because I don't like going below 18, but.. naked really takes the price down. and hell, you said holding, not even hugging, which is a more complex pose. Hell if the anime is something like Ebichu or Chi's Sweet Home I could take that down even further, since that's roughly equivalent to Adventure Time style and I used to do single-character nudes of those for 12 bucks

of course if you wanted said robot to NOT be simplified, I DO do robots. wish I got commissioned for robots. I wish they made complex-looking plushes of robots.

>>1111817
oh and that's including color and shading and all that, because honestly that doesn't take enough time to be worth providing a discount for leaving out. Not for nudes anyway. Not unless it's painterly shading

>>1111817
Sounds about like I expected, really. It was between that idea or the SD-style robots concept I mentioned several threads back if you remember those minor discussions, and much as I enjoy the idea of maybe making my own box-art one day, the allure of anime tits is always a strong pull.

>>1111829
Ohhh yeah you wanted the lots and lots of robots. I have a vague memory of that, though I don't recall it being SD

>>1111831
Yeah, it was supposed to be similar to SRW boxart style. http://assets.rpgsite.net/images/images/000/036/139/article/l_555af9afb158d.jpg

>>1111833
you know i never noticed before they were SD on there. possibly because they appear to still be the full detail level, just different proportions. as opposed to the actual SD gundam franchise

>>1111788
Nice """""animation""""" bro.

Anybody here know anyone that does good ref sheets?

>>1111864
Try reading the post. Obviously the animation is unfinished.

>>1112219
>Finished 2 Electric Boogaloo.gif
>hoping for him to add more
>whenever I get my hands on more money
I'd assume that's the completed state of that animation without him having to pay more.

>>1110988
Emailed.

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Doink (this guy here >>1109782) is really nice dude, can't recommend him enough, anyone that listens to me talking about the exact number of buttons a shirt has definitely gets an A+ from me

>>1111979
>>1103637

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>>1104858
A simple rough sketch commission I just did.

>>1113267
I love it. How much would a rough sketch like that plus futa variation cost?

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>>1113279
Since a rough sketch is the cheapest commission and that variation is not very hard, just 3$ more!
Here's an example of a monochrome sketch for that same client.

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Here's my commission Page!
Email:[email protected]

http://www.hentai-foundry.com/user/Tooop/profile (Slowly being updated)

Just posted this in the draw thread >>1113187

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Wooo, >>1111804 turned out pretty good

>>1113436
>example was free
>to commission that would be 55$

I need to start lurking in drawthreads. I don't mind throwing out 20 bucks here and there, but those guys are getting quality out of my budget for diddly.

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>>1102942
http://platinum-disco.deviantart.com/
I cannot recommend this guy enough.

As you can tell, he's friggin' talented. He works fast too, follows details well, and has expert advice (I learned a lot about drawing fundamentals).

The only stipulation is that the fee is always negotiated case by case. How much did I pay? Can't say exactly, but it was worth it.

>>1114126
>How much did I pay? Can't say exactly, but it was worth it.
What's the problem with disclosing the amount?

>>1114165
He's the artist and thinks that by posting an intangible price he can attract customers he'd otherwise turn away by posting a price guide.

>>1114167
Well that's... dumb.

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>>1114167
>He's the artist
Says u

>>1114165
As I said, case by case, it wouldn't be right for me to disclose what I paid. There's also the fact I paid for more art ontop of this (which I can't post due to.. reasons) so I couldn't say how much I paid specifically for this piece alone.

Another example of his work (in case you can't access pixiv).

>>1114186
So why exactly can't say say how much you (were) charge(ed) for the pieces?

This is some 2/10 shilling here.

>>1114189
I could see some artists asking people not to do that. I've considered it... but I figure, better to have them hear a price I gave and demand the same, than not contact me at all because they don't know what I charge.. Besides I can easily say "well that's not the EXACT same thing, I'll need to charge more" or "i kinda undercharged that guy, I could use another buck or two on that"

but aside from that he's giving a good explanation: he commissioned multiple things at once, so he can't itemize. not if it was commissioned as a group

>>1114167
I don't get that at all. I imagine most people looking to buy have a budget in mind.

Depending on the quality you might be willing to go over that but with no idea what someone might charge AT ALL I'm not sure I'd bother messaging them just to be told "Yeah, that'll be $300" or something.

>>1114227
Kinda in the same boat there. Definitely tempted and all, but the idea of lobbing a simple pin-up idea that way and being told it's potentially twice what I was hoping to pay would be disconcerting, to say the least. Though getting told up front would be better than the alternatives, and it would give you a ballpark estimate to go by later, at least.

>>1114235
>>1114227
Same here
I like having at least an idea of the price at first or else I'm not even going to bother, what's the point of wasting both my time and the artist's time if he ends lobbing a three-digit price for a simple pinup?

It's either some really fucking bad shilling from >>1114126 or he's shy about some fucked up stuff he commissioned

>>1114235
>>1114227
of course you could save both of you time if you went in saying "can i get this in the range of X.00?"

>>1114270
>in business the key is to put most of the burden on the shoulders of the customer
It shouldn't be the responsibility of the consumer to name the price of your product.

>>1114257
Oh, I aint shy, it's just restricted is all (and I ain't posting it on imgur now).

Also, >>1114193 has it right: I asked for multiple things and I can't break down how much a single pin up would be.

>>1114193
I'm not exactly sure why the artist asks quoting by inquiry only, but if it's to avoid having precedent of how much this or that will be, I'm for it.

>>1114227
>>1114235
Wuts the harm in asking? So he shoots you a $ way beyond your budget; big deal, no need to be discouraged. As >>1114270 sez, negotiate, and see what he'd be willing to pump out in X.00 range.

Now I gotta wonder why all this attention. Is it just because quote inquiry doesn't jive with commissioners, or that and the art is top-tier?

>>1114275
>the art is top-tier
I can promise you that this isn't the issue.

>>1114277
You drunk, go home.

>>1114270
Or save everyone's time by drawing up a price guide. Even just saying "Prices from $X" is better than no price at all.

>>1114275
No harm in asking yeah. They come back and quote a price outside of my range then I just say "Sorry, that's more than I was looking to spend, thank you for your time" and move on.
But it's three steps more than it needs to be.

Scenario A:
Price guide!
Me: Well I can't afford that, time to move on with my life.

Scenario B:
No price guide!
Me: Hey artist, what would you charge for X?
Artist: $Y
Me: Sorry, I can't afford Y

Never really tried negotiating with people, doesn't sit right me with. Although I suppose there's a difference between "You want to charge X, I want to pay Y for the same thing" and "Okay, you want X, what could you do for me at Y?"

>>1114274
I wasn't suggesting that, but if anything the ability to name your price is a freedom. and anyway no matter how we slice it, this is barter.
the main problem here is that it's done by email. In the old days when the only way to order a product was through the mail, you'd wanna give as much info as possible in your request, to keep the correspondence short. I got a commission weeks ago that I still haven't finished nor gotten money for because the guy takes almost 24 hours to reply, and always replies while I'm asleep.
point is, you can whine about how the artist isn't doing a good enoubh job making things easy for you by providing the information you want, or you can just contact them and receive it.

>>1114285
yeah, Negotiation needs to be more than simple haggling. In this case it's a custom product, and the artist has the disadvantage of not knowing how difficult or time-consuming it will be until they begin (or how much refining you might need them to do). There's a reason most commission/patron based arts in the past have been massive projects, things that would sustain you for weeks or months from a single sale.
It's best to be flexible on both ends. More than once I've said "I could do that for X, as long as you don't care about a background, and if you can find me a pose to reference so I don't need to spend any time constructing it myself" and they're usually happy to. most of the time, time-is-money only applies to the artist.

>>1114290
>point is, you can whine about how the artist isn't doing a good enoubh job making things easy for you by providing the information you want, or you can just contact another artist and get the work done

Yeah, exactly.

>>1114296
exactly. They're not hurting anyone but themselves

>>1114299
I have no idea how these poor anons would get by if they didn't spend their disposable income on nsfw commissions. Weep for the ones who decide to not commission this guy as they truly are the ones being hurt most by this outcome. Truly.

Purely out of curiosity, does anyone do edits matching the original styles/colors of stuff, or is that actually harder than drawing things from scratch?

>>1114313
If you're really an anon, stop it. You're honestly not helping the artist. You're making it look like he's shilling himself, and currently getting out of control.

If you're the artist, oh my god, you've got some issues, dude.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

This brow beating stops RIGHT NOW!

>>1114285
>difference between...
Yes, exactly. Instead of having a price list tier levels of art, why not just see how far you $ can go.

I do see the point in a price list, but again, too much precedent makes for too much expectations, so why not just say how much you got and get something of said value, or vice-versa.

>>1114290
Personally, I don't mind exchanging through e-mail, even if it takes a whole week. After all, wuts the rush?

>>1114292
>disadvantage of not knowing how difficult or time-consuming it will be
Truth is this was exactly my case. I felt kinda bad in the end so I gave a bit of a gratuity. But, yeah, no matter wut, an exchange is gonna have to happen in terms of pricing somewhere, even with a price list.

>>1114299
>>1114313
Meh, makes for a truly niche service. Can you imagine (insert steak house chain here) with a drivethru? It's kinda wut the price list is.

>>1114324
I can assure you, I'm just his loyal and satisfied client. Hell does he care about 4chan (I'm actually his first and only hentai commish)

>>1114331
Since I've answered some questions, 'now' it may end.

>>1114313
what? i clearly said the artists aren't hurting anyone but themselves.

>>1114335
i would love drivethru steak
i mean if i had a car
or anyone to go out to eat with
i guess what i want is delivery steak

>>1114323
It depends on the kind of edit you're looking for. If you just want, say, a bikini removed or something recolored, that's easy.

On the other hand, if you want to switch a floaty, frilly dress that makes up for one third of the picture for a naked version, that's going to be some serious editing that most people would rather draw from scratch.

That being said, money talks and I'm sure some artist *wink wink* might do it for ya. >>1104606 *wink*

>>1114335
>Personally, I don't mind exchanging through e-mail, even if it takes a whole week. After all, wuts the rush?
Bills don't wait for no one, bro.

>>1114342
Well, I'm glad to see you aren't disillusioned into thinking steak is something so bleedin' fancy. For that reason, maybe my example doesn't prove so effective...

Point is often you don't see pro artists (the fancy restaurant) making price lists (the drivethru).

>>1114349
>Bills don't wait for no one
?.. I'm talking about negotiating price, in which you 'wud' have some $ put aside.

>>1114359
I'm telling you what the rush would be as an artist. What I'm saying is that I prefer it when I can settle on the work details, price and a sign-off sketch without wasting too much time figuring things out through email.

>>1114359
I don't know if that's really a fair comparison. even fancy restaurants have prices on the menus.
I almost always see price lists for everyone doing commissions. I just don't do them myself because I'm quite on the other end, I'm trying to charge the bare minimum I can and still get a decent value for my effort, and everywhere I look I'm being undercut anyway, by people with more skill.

what I don't see is a lot of pro artists doing commissions period.
>>1114376
tell me about it. I'd rather have an agent.

>>1114122
I guess I should drop my price, I was really having to much fun.

I think the thing is your never really obligated to do a request, so its all about the clients budget.

Hey there guys i have a question, so when you send money with your Paypal what method do you choose:

Send money to your family and friends?
or
Pay for services where you have the refund option?

Sorry if you don't understand englih is not my first language.

>>1114514
Well, if the artist is not too well known or I'm unsure about them, I choose pay for services the first time I commission them.

If they deliver promptly and without any problems, any subsequent commissions I usually pay as friends and family so they get the full amount.

>>1114518
thx for answering
>I choose pay for services the first time I commission them

but do they get mad if i choose this for the first time?

>>1114525
I've never had an artist get mad because of this, but your mileage may vary. I'd say if they're well known, or you're okay with a bit of a risk, just choose the friends and family option.

>>1114527
Actually im gonna tell him that i will choose the refund option, just to see how it goes the first time.

>>1114514
>>1114518
>>1114525
>>1114527
>>1114528
Getting money from a slew of "family and friends" transactions can and probably will flag you as dodging paypal services, and dodging inspection / suspicion is important for lewd artists because it's against paypal's policies. If you really want the artist yo receive all they should, just toss in an extra buck or two. It doesn't affect you that much, and it makes for a nice gesture.

>>1114546
So what you are saying is to choose the service and refund option right?

Question to you artists:
When it comes to communicating, would it be better to sit down and have a chat/streaming session to discuss commissions and updates rather than playing email tag? As pointed earlier sometimes it takes awhile going back and forth with emails, but I understand if it won't work due to time zones differences/work schedules.
I'm just wondering if chatting somewhat face to face would speed up the process a little.
>>1114549
Not that anon, but yes.
As good as your intentions might be, trying to avoid Paypal fees through the "family and friends" option is a bad idea. Like what >>1114546 said, Paypal will investigate and terminate the artist's account if they're dodging fees and doing business with adult material.

>>1114588

A paragraph for all the stuff that would dictate the price and include references of the characters present and then another paragraph for the actual content of the commission you'd like to see.

>>1114588
Generally speaking, direct real-time contact is better for figuring out the specifics of a commission, but email has some advantages when it comes to things like providing references.
Personally, I prefer email, since I like taking my time to think when writing, but if a client wants to discuss things a little faster that's fine too.

>>1114661
But do artist know who you are? I never commissioned somebody but the 2 anons where talking about sending money with paypal, don't they see it?

>>1114674
Paypal tells the artist your name (or the name you've given Paypal, anyway), and you usually get the name of the artist as well (if they're on Paypal Business, I think you only get told their business name).

>>1114588
As a commissioner, I normally send my first message over tumblr messenger if a tumblr is given, asking if it's okay. Afterward, if it is, I typically send refs and final transaction details ("I'm sending you x-usd for this like that") so tge record's there. Elsewise, I just communicate solely by email, which is also fine.

>>1114674
I have a secondary paypal with a made up name. I funnel money into it from my normal paypal. It's actually pretty effecient because
a) it gives 0 indication that I've been spending money on porn on my bank statement.
b) it gives me a clean-cut smut budget. I definitely overspend as it is, I make a lot of non-smut commissions, too, I just enjoy paying different artists, and if I didn't make myself go through an extra step or work out of an allowance, I'd probably break the bank.

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Just finished getting a commission from Doink ( >>1103013 ) What >>1112583 said is definitely correct, I've never had an artist so ready to roll up his shirt sleeves and get wrist deep in the autistic lore behind a character I was commissioning.

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>>1102942
boop

>>1114992
Come on, you're not even trying. Two anons in a row that link to the other post in parentheses? Who does that?

>>1115060
I really don't know what to tell you; neither of those posts are mine.

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>>1115060
I feel dumb even having to having to even further these arguments of legitimacy, but Doink was pretty nice to me so here's some proof I'm the one posting here >>1112583

Pic is the folder with the sketches and the first WIP he sent me. Also, the two other images are the ones I'm currently using on the f-list profile for the character, you can check it out on https://www.f-list.net/c/hildegaarde

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>>1115060
He's done two elastic girl pics for this weird fucko too and he'll be doing another in the near future (heads up bro). Stop being so fuckin paranoid.

>>1115157
Also I praised him here but left out my stupid fetish the first time
>>1111305

>>1114546
i can't believe there's no competition for paypal yet. I need them to be pressured to change all their policies or go the fuck out of business

>>1115219
This is such an insane comment.

>I can't believe there's no competition for PayPal yet

I can't believe there's no competition for by far the world's largest and most highly used personal funds transfer system

>go the fuck out of business

Barring the end of money, PayPal will never go out of business

>>1102961
So far i've only done anthro traps but marco looks cute yo
>>1115047

>>1115060
How do I console this argument? I post about every artist I commission, after I get it. If you want, as a sign of solidarity, I'll tag your post number when I reblog it from him on my tumblr where I reblog all my commissions? (Assuming he posts it) I don't know how else to prove to you that people, separate from the artist, will speak well of the artist once satisfied by their work.

>>1115230
>>1115075
>I don't know what to tell you
>I really don't know what to tell you

>>1115235
O boi.

>>1114588
I would be fine with talking over some kind of IM, but maybe not with voice or video.
I'm pretty wary of randoms on the internet. even though I'm sure it'd be fine and professional, I don't want someone wanking on cam at me or whatever.

>>1115226
literally all it would take is someone else doing the same thing, but better

>>1115230
>>1115235
You're really having bad luck with phrasing today.
Anyway, your image is in my queue so it should be up in a day or two.

>>1114588
I actually hadn't considered using IM for this, but I don't think I'd use my personal account for it.

Making a new Skype account for commission discussions seems like a good idea, though.

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>>1115248

>>1115259
A load of posts have been deleted etc. what exactly is the problem?

>>1115262
This guy keeps sounding like he's me samefagging.
>>1115235
>>1114992
Honestly, I can't even blame >>1115259, this is a ridiculous coincidence.

>>1115237
>>1115248
Yeah, I fucked the dog on that one. I'd asked earlier in thread about namefagging as a regular commissioner >>1109925 , which is a habit I'll guess I'll adopt.

>>1115262
People tend to use a set of expressions or mannerisms while posting that is easily recognizable after a while. When "one person" starts sounding the same as "the other guy" whom he's excessively shilling for, you gotta admit that's really suspicious.

And then the guy notices he posted the same expression as two different people and starts deleting posts to fix the problem, so yeah... samefagging is hard.

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Still open to more Marco artists.

Pic unrelated, but ENF is currently drawing some Marco for me and it's looking great.

>>1115231
I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but I think you need to do some more art practice of realistic bodies.

>>1115286
>ENF
who?

>>1115292
ENF-Lover
>>1105160

My mistake for not calling the artist by their full name.

>>1115286
I don't mean to sound like I feel entitled to your money or anything, but I'd be very grateful if you would let me know why you didn't feel like >>1103013 was up to your standards.

>>1115337
Not him but that face and line quality is absolutely embarrassing.

>>1115341
Holy hyperbole. He's not Da Vinci but it's fucking fine for what it is and what he charges. Plus his more painted stuff is really well done. Get a grip.

>>1115294
there's so many artists with ENF in their name yeah it's for the best to abbreviate better.

>>1115341
Well, I'd be lying if I said I was proud of my lines, but what's wrong with the face?

>>1115353
I don't see anything wrong with it, it's just wide. is it a character whose face is normally wide, like from some cartoon?

>>1115348
>hyperbole
Settle down, bootlicker. Dude asked why he wasn't getting a commission and someone gave him a reason.

>>1115353
I'm guessing since the guy mentioned "realistic bodies" your super deformed skull structure was a huge turn off in particular.

>>1115359
It's an OC from yonder drawthread; >>1110881
Maybe I messed up the foreshortening on the face and that's giving the wrong impression.

>>1115360
Does it seem more SD than >>1115286 or >>1102961 to you?

>>1115373
>Does it seem more SD than...
Yes.

>>1115373
>>1115377
>SD
I don't think you guys are using that term properly

>>1115286
That's fair, i'm working on it, thanks for responding! Hope you get plenty o' Marcos

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>>1115373
>Maybe I messed up the foreshortening

Oh, so that's what you were going for? The position and line of the nose indicate that you're looking at that face from straight in front, and the neck also doesn't help. You know what? Here, I hope you don't mind if I make a few adjustments to your pic.

There, if you do something like this, it looks more like the head is tilted downwards and less like it got squished.

Also, those lines in the blue circle, what are they? If it's for the boobs, they're upside down, if they're for the pecs, they're in the wrong place.

Aside from that, the torso looks a little too elongated, but that may be because you drew the legs too low, I think.

That's my thirty four cents.

>>1115373
>>1115377
>>1115398
wtf is SD?

>>1115418
Which artist are you, you seem to know your stuff?

>>1115427
Eh, what the hell. If people get pissed, they might as well have someone to be pissed with >>1104606

>>1115418
Thanks. Guess I'll have to practice that stuff some more.

>>1115425
Super Deformed. Also known as "chibi".

>>1115418
also maybe there should be more of the back of the head visible if the head's tilted forward

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>>1115485

>>1115807
yeah see that already looks more like she's tilting her head down. raising the ears slightly would sell it further (though they're already raised somewhat so I think you already took that into account) and maybe lowering the eyebrows down

tilted heads are just so hard. you're way better than I am

>>1115817
I'm not the guy who did the first edit, but it looked simple enough to add more of the back of the head, and it really makes a huge difference.>>1115817

>>1115817
>>1115828
Get a fucking grip you haters, the original was FINE!!!!

>>1115832
dude, chill. no one is hating on your papi, they are giving legit constructive criticism. even doink didn't throw a tantrum

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>>1115836
>even doink didn't throw a tantrum
Nah but he acted like a passive aggressive bitch who got his feelings hurt.

>>1115836
>>1115840
THIS BROW BEATING HAS GONE ON LONG ENOUGH

I WON'T LET YOU GET AWAY WITH THIS

>>1115853
Did you have any funny Reddit stories for the boys in the lunch room today?

>>1115859
Ya, that it's cancer. Just like 4chan.

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>waiting for months for an /aco/ artist to reopen commissions after getting a couple awesome pieces
>their tumblr was recently deactivated

It hurts.

>>1116821
>have a favourite artist that creates his own 3D models and animations of my favourite characters
>even puts them into unity so you can move around the scene
>decides one day he doesn't want to do porn any more
>tears everything down

Sad times.

>>1116821
Who was it? I don't think any of the hibernating artists I'm waiting for deactivated, but I haven't gone down my entire list.

On that topic, I miss snafu.

>>1117088
He went by dworven here and on tumblr.
God, I'm going to miss him. I'm a whore for the binary pen and we really seemed to be on the same wavelength as far as liking huge girls with huge boobs.

>>1115244
At this point, paypal is too entrenched to be budged that easily. Even if someone DID do literally the same thing but better, people are lazy and prone to stay with the "safe" option. Also, there's the matter of getting sellers to accept the new service - part of what makes paypal popular is that it's accepted nigh EVERYWHERE. Bitcoin's fairly established at this point, but there's still a fuckload of places that'll take paypal but not bitcoin. The paypal killer would have to survive as an inferior option for years, and it's still not guaranteed to catch on. Which is unfortunate, of course! But that's how it is when you're up against a giant, ancient monstrosity like pp.

>>1117425
there are a few quick cash?, and i believe theres another which is very common in russia.

>>1117425
if PP is so unshakeable then why are they bowing to pressures to ban adult material?

>>1117513
Certainly there are alternatives, but none of them in a position where I'd call them serious competitors on the same market.

>>1117616
Wait, exactly who's putting pressure on paypal to ban adult material?
Like, who stands to benefit?

>>1117624
exactly!

>>1117619
I can't believe banks don't all let you send money to other banks for free now
for some reason some people are nervous about giving out their bank account number, but if all you can do with it is GIVE money there's really nothing to worry about. it's like that joke bob newhart told.. he changed banks, tore up his checks to make sure nobody could write a fake one, then tore up his deposit slips, and wondered why he bothered.. worried someone will GIVE him money?