Was Fate the best route after all?

None of them are very good, honestly. There's definitely some solid story in there, but the dialogue and plot progression are so absolutely flat and childish (not to mention slow and redundant), that you'd have to be a literal shut in autist who's life is completely devoid of human interaction to take anything from those stories.

>>159773081
The new WW film literally ripped off the "idealistic hero coming to terms with reality" plotline and even had Ares do the "Gate of Babylon" move i.e. he formed swords and weapons from steel and debris then fired them at WW.
American audiences loved it.

>>159772919

Yes, Sakura's route is garbage and Rin's route is actually Archers route. Also what timeline does blackend Emiya alter comes from?

>>159773242
>(((Americans))) ripping off a superior culture
I'm shocked

Better than fucking UBW that's for god damn certain

>>159772919
She is an inferior Mordred.

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>>159772919
OP has good taste for once.

>>159772919
No.

Yes. It just needs better writing and it'd be a fine story. UBW's story is tryhard and hoaky. Wormroute is just edgy bullshit

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>>159773467
Something looks off about that image and I can't figure out what.

>>159773242
what is WW? I don't keep up with movies.

>>159773624
Something to do with the chin and profile line

>>159773694
Wonder woman

It's exactly what you expect from a story about servants fighting to the death, nothing more, nothing less.
It follows a very linear and predictable structure, except for maybe the very end with Kotomine and the kids, but that doesn't mean it's bad. It just pales in comparison with the other two for being too basic.
Saber backstory was pretty much the only thing of worth the other routes don't offer.

Incorrect. People fail to realize that fate isn't a story with 3 routes, but one giant story. Fate to UBW to HF you're introduced to these characters and you get to see the gradual evolution of Shirou. At first you know normal protagonist, then you see the cracks inside him, the emptiness. And you see how he clings to this ideal to give meaning to himself. And you then see him finally want something for himself. A selfishness, the first instance of him being a human. Overall it's definitely an interesting heroes journey when read through all 3 routes.

But ultimately the best route would've been Illya route

>>159773624
>>159773696
The eyes, the one that's further away is bigger for some reason. It's a pretty common Takeuchi quirk and I've never been able to unsee it since I first noticed it.

>>159773882
Hasn't Nasu said that a hypothetical Ilya route is the one that would lead to Shirou becoming EMIYA?

>>159772919
How come these threads stay up but if I make a Tsukihime thread I get banned and the mods tell me to go to /jp/?

>>159774889
Because Tsukihime doesn't have an anime.

>>159773242
>The new WW film literally ripped off the "idealistic hero coming to terms with reality" plotline
If you're this much of a delusional fatefag to think that Nasu invented this type of story you need to explore more avenues of media

>>159774889
>but if I make a Tsukihime thread I get banned and the mods tell me to go to /jp/
You must have been being an asshole because I've made Tsukihime threads before that did fine.

>>159774938
You missed the part about Ares' GoB move, retard.

>>159773081
So slow. So redundant. But I'd say Fate is the worst because Shirou is so mind boggling stupid. I mean he's always stupid, but he's stupidest in Fate.

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>>159774708
Nope.
It's been theorized that Archer EMIYA probably had a deep connection with Ilya because of some things he says about her. But UBW, Fate, HF Shirou, none of them go down Archer Emiya's path.

And I'd hope a hypothetical Ilya route Shirou wouldn't either. He'd abandon his old save everyone ideal like in HF, and focus on protecting Ilya the most.

I like Fate the best personally, but I think it's weighed down with explanations of the rules of every little detail that the following routes can take in stride and play with. Beyond that I like it's straightforward idealistic narrative, and the initial reveals of Gil's existence and Kirei manipulation.

but that first h-scene will never not leave a bad taste in my mouth for feeling so forced, the story would do better without it not that my dick minds

I want to be Shirou's girlfriend and make him the happiest person in the world.

>>159772919
Hell no

>>159774971
>You must have been being an asshole because I've made Tsukihime threads before that did fine.
This thread is discussing the VN routes is it not? That would make it /jp/ not /a/ related.

>>159774971
Ares predates Fate by about 60 years try again

>>159775061
I thought the first one was okay. Saber sucking Shirou's dick and taking the lead in the second one felt really out of character and cringy on the other hand.

>>159774889
>>159775087
Sorry but the moral here is that mods are inconsistent sacks of shit.
I haven't reported a single thing since the war on nipples. Who would trust the moderation again after that.

>>159775022
>>159774708
Nasu already confirmed Archer came from an alternate Fate route where he didn't save Saber's heart

>>159773563

You're the one who is trying too hard here. If you think HF is edgy, then you blocked out the orphans in the priest's basement showcased in the Fate route, or the antagonist being a literal "women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen" retard.

All three are part of one big stostory

>>159775122
She knows how to please men because she had a dick before. It makes sense :)

>>159775122
I mean I don't mind the scenes themselves, I imagine anybody can suck a [any euphemism Nasu uses for dick], but just the setup to it is really jarring.

MAGE' S SEMEN

>>159775066
Fuck off wormslut

>>159772919

I've been saying that all along.

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>>159772919
Fate - best romance
UBW - best pacing
HF - best plot

>>159775096
Ares never did any sword shooting in the comics though

>>159775022
>>And I'd hope a hypothetical Ilya route Shirou wouldn't either. He'd abandon his old save everyone ideal like in HF, and focus on protecting Ilya the most.
I'd read it.

>>159775365
The pacing is a mess in all of the routes, UBW is just the least awful.

I always though the romance between Saber and Shirou was terrible, in both concept and execution.

Quite honestly the only romance that actually felt real to me was with Sakura.

Is that remake supposed to actually come out like...ever? Potential Ilya route then?

When would an Ilya route even fit in? I vote after UBW/before HF, so after Shirou realizes his ideals aren't realistic but clings anyway and before he throws them all away for Sakura?

>>159772919
Fuck no, it has the blandest vision of shirou, the weakest fights, leaves the most shit unexplored, it drags the most because of plot introduction and most characters strongest moments arent in it.

Unless you really like Saber or Gilgamesh, there is no reason to like Fate route the best.

>>159775775
>Sakura
That slut just jumped on his dic and pretended to be his wife while murdering half the town and then tried to kill him.

>>159775775
The only girl that could actually form a healthy relationship with Shirou was Rin.

>>159775815
I don't think any FSN remake was ever announced. The only remake announced is Tsukihime which seems to still be stuck in development hell.

>>159775760
The slow pacing is an acquired taste. Having played Tsukihime before, it didn't bothered me that much

>>159775859
>Gilgamesh
lol what he gets in Fate? Jobs and acts like a retard again?

The best work for Gilfags are outside the main series, those are Strange Fake and his route in CCC.

>>159776012
Dunno, he felt pretty healthy with Saber in Avalon while he's bound to enter in conflict with Rin because of his crazy heroism.

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>>159773242
I have always said this. If Shirou's character wasn't in a battle series with magical elements in a niche Japanese medium he'd be marveled as a literary masterpiece, a modern Hamlet that defines modern protagonists. First he'd need to be moved into a story without magic, and instead his backstory was that he was a survivor of a terrorist bombing 10 years and was then saved by the terrorist who planned the whole event. Then you could replace all the magical backstory with political elements and set the story in the Middle East, replace the Holy Grail War with a regular war, etc. If you had a more "serious" story that people didn't judge on the fact it had porn scenes and was from Japan, people would be regarding Shirou as one of the most interesting protagonists of modern literature. This is a fact that none of us can escape from, Shirou's psychology and thematic progression is absolutely incredible.

>>159776215
It's the route he gets the least shafted at and wears his silly blond armor the most. Some would say he gets to fuck Heracles in UBW, but that is more of a Berserker moment than his, and even puts on doubt his OP skills by theorizing goldie's possible defeat if Illya wasnt such a sitting duck in the fight.

God Fate route has fucking nothing, dont ever respect a man who chooses it as his favorite route (unless he is a waifu saberfag), it reeks of shit taste.

>>159775859
>the weakest fights
Saber vs Gilgamesh and Shirou vs Kotomine >> Shirou vs Gilgamesh

HF had the best fights though

>leaves the most shit unexplored

It currently suffers from people already knowing the major twists of it: Saber's indentity, Kiritsugu's true personality, Kirei's betrayed, Gilgamesh's existence, the grail's nature, the reason behind Shirou's distortion, etc so it really seems like some shit is "unexplored" but that isn't how it works, all of the routes explore different things. Fate is meant to explore Saber and it sets out to do that

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>>159775775
First time reading HF I was too shocked by Sakura's evil side and just thought of her as a slut.
Going back you notice how close they are. She isn't just some random girl to Shirou. She's his osananajimi, almost like his sister. They care about each other like family and the evil side of her is just one half of her duality.

I'd never choose Sakura over anyone else myself. But I think she's the best choice for Shirou.

>>159776483
I frankly enjoyed Fate more than UBW. Fate felt like more a grounded tale of the grail war while UBW reeks of shonen shit garbage.

And Gilgamesh had a poor showing in it no matter how you see it, he was an one note antagonist for Saber to defeat. Which is no different from how he is in UBW or HF for Shirou and Sakura respectively

>>159776569
>and just thought of her as a slut.

She is a slut, though.

>>159776483
The Day 15 Church encounter in Fate is the most powerful scene in the visual novel. While the concept of these orphans is incredibly over the top, the way it's built up and the metaphors used really help make it believable, like how Shirou seems to journey down into hell, in a church, and not just any hell, is own personal hell. We see the kind of trauma Shirou is hiding in his mind, even from himself, and we get a look at all the hidden broken pieces he's tried to not let show around others. The idea that his own inner sense of responsibility guild and drive is manifested as these voices that can't be there is great, and it's a wonderful case of Shirou conquering himself that he manages to get those voices to stop, voices that have been silently whispering for 10 years. The other, even more powerful half, is Saber's, how she sees this and it touches her heart and soul in a way that can't be described. I love how these two characters were able to reject their demons because of the bond they shared, they needed to counqer their demons themselves, but the other person was needed as a guiding light for it. I also love the way Saber's answer skillfully mixes all three of Shirou's from each FSN route, with her refusing to kill the one she loves for her ideals (HF, there's even an alt scene where she makes the opposite choice as a bad end, mirroring Mind of Steel), then stopping to rethink her life and realizing that even if she failed, she needs to take pride in her effort (UBW), then resolving not to be controlled by her past anymore (Fate). In this way, this scene is for me, the ultimate climax for the VN, as it carries the full message that FSN tries to convey (or at least what I got out of it): Impossible dreams, while impossible, are still worth believing in to see how far you can get, but this pursuit should be placed below something else, something real, because if you sacrifice everything for something that can't come true, you end up with nothing.

>>159776569
>She's his osananajimi
No? They know each other for over a couple of years at best

>>>/vg/

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>>159776613
That's not all there is to her though, is what I mean. Affection and desire are the two sides of her.
It's unfortunate that she never really gets a chance to redeem herself. She has it in her, but Ilya was the one who closed the grail and killed Zouken. Shirou took down Kirei by himself. Sakura didn't get redemption by her own hand, only by Shirou's.

>>159776521
>Kotomine just standing there letting Shirou attack him
>good

>>159776483
HF >> Fate > UBW for me.

Fate is very vanilla but solid enough. HF is a dark tragedy that reveals the secrets we didn't know yet. UBW has it's good parts but it's full of chuuni garbage and has a really weak middle part and a very contrived final battle plagued with an asspull.

>>159775087
I'm pretty sure mods on /a/ don't mind VN talk.

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>>159775096
Are you fucking retarded?
Go back to >>>/co/

>>159776747
>Witnessing the grail mud effect first hand
>Not good or not interesting

Mind you, I do think the HF battle between the two of them is better.

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>>159772919
no, the best one is UBW.

Rin brings out the best of Shirou and they end up following their objectives and becoming better people due to each other. Also Saber sticks up with them.

The other routes are basically otaku's dream of running away from reality. And HF "sakuras" is edgy depressive bullshit.

Hence why Rin's route is the best.

Dont get me wrong, I love saber and she is super waifu but for Shirou he needs to look at the future, hence Rin. She could also give him a senpai.

>>159776888
This tbqh.

Remove the romance and Fate would have been pretty good, but incomplete. UBW is necessary to complete it.

HF is not necessary in that sense, but provides an interesting lens to view the characters through. I know people like fighting over best girls and routes, but I think F/SN as a whole would be worse if any of the routes were removed entirely. The only element I feel that does nothing but detract is, again, Saber's romance with Shirou. It adds nothing to either character and honestly did not feel organic or natural in the least.

>>159776888
>>159776813
>le edgelord faggs and nu males.

>>159776960
>HF
>"""The other routes are basically otaku's dream of running away from reality""

(LOL)

>>159776960
I hated the way they adapted the UBW good end in the anime. They took all the fucking humor out of it.

Shirou needs to be a hero.

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>>159776960
There's no edge to love!
Love is more powerful than ideals.

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>>159776267
I always saw the opposite: Saber and Shirou are both trying to save each other from their hero complexes while blind to their own hypocrisy, Sakura is mentally unstable and emotionally dependent (also the slut meme). Whereas Rin is independent and able to function as her own person with out the baggage the other girls carry, and she actually challenges Shirou on his ideals and world view and helps develop him as a person without changing who he is.

Also thighs.

>>159776960
>The other routes are basically otaku's dream of running away from reality.
>while saying UBW is the best
>for not running away from reality
It my favorite of the 3 but come on.

>>159776888
That's some insecurity you got there mate.

>>159777019
For you, maybe.

The romance was necessary, especially for Saber, because it allowed her to gain back a part of the human girl she discarded when she became king. And using Saber's life as a mirror, Shirou won't make the same mistake Archer did.

You might not personally like it but it's thematically important, more so than Shirou x Rin and on the same level of Shirou x Sakura

>>159772919
Nope

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UBW > the rest

>>159777113
>while blind to their own hypocrisy,
Erasing that is basically the development they both go through in the route though. I'm talking about when they meet again in Avalon, don't know what's unhealthy about that.

>Rin
She'll want to settle down eventually and have kids. What she'll do with Shirou still being a hero out there?

>>159777113
Rin had no appeal to me. I only saw her as a someone who could teach magic or team up.

Rin was so independent she didn't care her sister was daily raped by maggots.

Even Kotomine had more humanity albeit for the wrong reasons.

>>159776272
I unironically think the same of Kamille.

>>159772919
What is this? I don't remember this pic and I 100% the game

>>159777113
>>159777335
Rin’s major conflict is that of character vs. society, where who she is as a person is constantly running up against her perceived duty as a magus and the administrator of the town. This conflict had been broached in the past — the prologue where she explains she purposely stays a loner so as not to risk anyone’s life comes to mind — but it comes to a head in this route in having to weigh the life of her sister against not just the lives of others, but of her responsibility to put a stop to what’s happening in Fuyuki. I actually think in a lot of ways she is a better example of the conflict Nasu was giving to Shirou, of trying to save one person versus trying to save everyone, because the familial relationship meant she didn’t have to become some kind of mindless Sakura sycophant in order to have a reason to not want to kill her.

>>159777019
Point was for Saber to have Romance so she could let go outside the King Shell. Awkward in affections outside Combat/King roles, but strong as heck in those 2 roles. That was kinda the point.

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>>159777250
>What she'll do with Shirou still being a hero out there?
She'll lose him of course.
The tragedy of Rin's route is that Shero meets best girl and inevitably she takes him away. Sorry Tohsaka OHOHO

>>159777249
Preach it brother. Man i'm so glad we got the TV series side of things, even if season 2 was a little rushed.

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>>159772919
Not my favourite route but Realta Nua ending did made me tear up. I'm really glad that they got reunited in the end because both Shirou and Saber deserved happiness.

>>159777384
Exactly. That's why Rin had no appeal to me, asides from recovering from her abnormal lack of empathy as she interacts more with Shirou.

Basically Rin becomes more Human as she deals with Shirou and that's the only interesting thing.

Kotomine Kirei with all his admited lack of ability to feel empathy for other people literally cared more for Sakura suffering than Rin, her sister.
Rin even wanted to kill Sakura just to finish her off.
Shirou is Rin's salvation in the terms of giving her decent emotional palette.

>>159777553
Kirei wanted to help Sakura so that Avenger could be born. Helping her increased the chances of him getting to enjoy people suffering in the future. Rin was the administrator of Fuyuki and it was her duty to stop something like that from happening.

>>159777553
I wonder if any character will get more popular with western secondaries after the HF movies.

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>>159777535
Same.

I really hope it gets animated some day

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>>159777737
Check'em

>>159777769

Almost there

>>159777777

>>159777686
>him getting to enjoy people suffering in the future
I may have interpreted things differently.

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>>159777343
>Kamille
I agree with you 100%. Kamille had some of the most interesting character development I've ever seen.

>>159777870
Kotomine only gains enjoyment from seeing people suffer. Keeping Sakura alive also means that she (and Shirou) will suffer, along with all the people in the town getting murdered by the Shadow. He hates Zouken as well. He doesn't actually care about Sakura's well being.

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I feel overwhelmed by the Nasuverse, even though I've already done half this shit.

>>159777870
Also he does a similar thing in Fate/Zero when he keeps Kariya alive to prolong his suffering.

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>>159772919
Best route, best girl, and best romance.

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>>159777133
>It my favorite of the 3 but come on.
It doesnt run away from reality, it accepts it and goes towards it either way.

Shirou and Rin’s indications, along with the post-credits sequence, suggest Shirou will never be able to escape the same path as Archer, but until then, he and Rin are going to have as many good times as they can. When the time comes, she hopes her positive influence in his life will enable him to move a little further forward and get “the right ending.”

>>159777249
>>159777498
Yeah, and we got the best tv series with the best animation and best fights!
This tempted me to play the game to see Rin & Shirou get more intimate.

>>159777535
booooooring.

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>>159776272
Don't know how much more attention fate really deserves, but I've thought the same about Seacats which could have easily been a classic.

>>159778349
>This tempted me to play the game to see Rin & Shirou get more intimate.

Well you get to see him give her the jackhammer.

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>>159778116
Tsuki no Sango is very nice and short, and usually overlooked.

>>159778349
UBW good ending (where Saber stays) is pretty clear that he won't end up as Archer, at least in the VN.

>>159778630
I'm still pissed that MAL tricked me into thinking Ufotable made an OVA of this. Looked it up and it's just a slideshow (were the images even drawn by Ufotable?) narrated by Maaya Sakamoto

>>159778637
Thus it's the best ending.

I like to think that Shirou and Rin had babies and Saber took care of them like the ultiate god mother.

>>159777113
>spoiler
Only in the anime.
No one has an ass or thighs in the Nasuverse's official art.

>>159777335
>Rin had no appeal to me. I only saw her as a someone who could teach magic or team up.
I honestly would have liked her better if not for the otaku-pandering "idol who is actually a tsundere" shtick. Could have been a great character.

>>159777366
Why do anons keep saying this?
Its in the first fucking route ffs.

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Taiga is the best and cutest girl.

>>159779092
That CG isn't in the original version of the game.

>>159779092
I don't remember it at all

>>159779092
>>159779123
It wasn't in the original (18+) release of F/SN. The later all ages version, Realta Nua, added extra CGs.

>>159772919
Illya's route

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>>159779163
They're good too.

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Which new heroes would you like to see in the future adapted by type-moon?

Personally I would like to see:
William the conquerer - king bastard. A shounen like hero, that gives inspires confidence and has an unstoppable charge. Based on Dukemon.

The Cid - a hero of spain that got rid of the moors.

Ozymandias egyptian general.
Ghenghis khan.
Siegfried and or perhaps some characters from the song of the nibelungs.

>Sacrificing your dreams and putting the entire world in danger to save the life of one person.
Romanticism and Humanity was a mistake that deserves extinction.

>>159779310
>Siegfried
He's already a very prominent servant. With the most retarded design in the franchise. Sumanai.

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>>159776888

>>159779163
Then I have one of the modded versions because I got this and the sex scenes as well.

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>>159779310
>>159779397
Ozymandias is already a servant as well

>>159779376
Muh utilitarianism. The whole point of UBW was to show how flawed that thinking is

So in the True Ending of Fate (not the Realta Nua Last Episode sequence) does Shirou end up with Rin? IIRC they're pretty friendly and walk to school together.

>>159779606
If utilitarianism was flawed why do modern states exist and humanity still around.

9 out of 10 times people go with the greater good.

>>159779104
Why does that young boy had such nice thighs?

>>159779657
>modern states
>utilitarian at all
Do you live in another universe or something? Virtually every nation is extremely wasteful.

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>>159778395
Nah

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>>159772919
Fate Route is where Rin got to try her hand at homosexuality with Saber. That's a plus in my book.

>>159778793
>Saber ends up happy
>Shirou ends up happy
>Rin ends up happy
>Sakura stays with her worms
>Ilya dies horribly

Indeed, it is the best.

>>159779721
>Continuation of the Dream
What the fuck? I'm pretty sure CotD (the only ending of the Fate route in the original VN) is the one where Saber dies happy in the 15th century forest and Shirou is melancholy but happy.

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>>159778198
How can rin and saber even compete?

>>159779876
well having a few thousand less miles on the ol hoohaa is a pretty compelling advantage for them

>>159779876
They're virgins so they automatically win.

>>159779611
He's by himself but will probably end up with Rin but still chases Saber until the literal end of time.

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>>159779876
They just fuck each other.

>>159779376
That's what Kiritsugu does in Prisma Ilya universe and it worked out just fine for him.

>>159778349
>This tempted me to play the game
UBWfag was a secondary all along

You can't make this shit up

>>159773337
Some form of mind of steel. He killed Rin and Illya and became a Kiritsugu like figure.

When he discover Kiara's (Extra/CCC character) cult post grail war, he went to their HQ and tried to kill her. But her followers just threw themselves in front of him, and when he finally get to her she killed herself, making her a matyr and him a villain slaughtering hundreds of innocents, mindbreaking him.

>>159774708
UBW anime sidematerial had him confirmed that Archer came from a Fate alternative route where he fails to save her heart. So some sort of Fate Normal End where the basement under the church scene never happened.

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>>159779845
It obviously refers to the continuation of the dream Saber wanted to see before ""dying"" in Camlann

>>159779845
Yeah it is. It's just a fan art though, the artist's art style is just quite similar to Takeuchi's. We know that they spend eternity together in Avalon by the end of her route

>>159779876
They're the most beloved heroines of their franchise so they already won.

>>159773762
Her backstory is something so embarassingly fucking stupid, espescially when you see the cartoonish moustache twirling antagonist of her route, that you even pretending that it's good on any level insults me.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

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>>159780253
Saber lily a cute. Fate/Extella's story was pretty bad but Saber's ending is quite hilarious. Archer gets to cook for her as much as she wants and he's actually quite happy with it. He really did miss cooking for his waifu.

>>159780316
>We know that they spend eternity together in Avalon by the end of her route
Huh? Is that something that happens in Last Episode?

>>159780397
>Fate/Extella
You mean Extra?

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>>159780406
Yes

>>159778491
Seacat suffers from Ryushiki's terrible writing and his inability to finish off what he started without resorting to magical asspulls. Higurashi Kai was ok because the first three part carried the last part, but Chiru overall was kusoge.

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Sakura falls in love with Shiro.

Unable to confess, the wormslut is gifted by a deus ex machina with the boy's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, she immediately calls him, and is overjoyed to find out that he has a crush on her as well.

But, the next day, when the educated prostitute recounts the previous day's confessions to the boy, he only looks at her with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, she finds out that the boy she called is not the same boy she fell in love with. In fact, he doesn't exist in this universe at all. He is the alternate universe counterpart of her crush, who has fallen in love with her AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of his crush.

Hijinks ensue as they strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip each other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of FISH.

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>>159780459
BEST ROUTE CONFIRMED

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>>159780446
No, extella. Artoria isn't in Extra. Archer cooks for her by the end of her story

>>159780459
>>159780504
>responding to yourself

I'm so sick of this god damned franchise. Zero was the best thing out of it by miles, and even that wasn't anything particularly amazing. An entire country can't produce one Fate/Zero per year? This world must be a rough place to live

>>159772919
I played the VN and don't remember this scene, can someone explain? are they in a bus?

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>>159779538
wow, he looks kinda cool actually.

>>159779397
what?! really? yeah he looks pretty damn lame desu

My head canon for saber lilly is that she was the actual daughter of king arthur and just became the princess knight.
It is also a way to keep prototype saber because he is really cool.

>>159780511
Well, fuck. I guess I haven't gotten that far (I'm only halfway through Tamamo's route)

>>159780446
>>159780511
Link to the ending

https://youtu.be/a0dyd273t_E

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>>159779310
Is it too early for Teddy to get Grailed? I'd love to see him as a Rider, especially if they went over the top with it like Edison

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>>159780397
It's kind of heartwarming to think that the Shirou who reached Avalon probably looks like Archer

>>159780540
see >>159779163. I assume it's the scene where Shirou takes Saber on a date (they take a bus).

>>159780540
Shirou forces Saber to go on an awkward date with him "out of concern for her wellbeing." It ends with he and she fighting. Shirou has to restrain himself from punching her in the face. A charming and memorable scene of the most likeable MC on /a/.

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>>159780537
> Filthy secondaries

Can the Last Episode be watched immediately after finishing the Fate route?

>>159780622
>>159780630
oh, thanks

>>159780605
Mata Hari got Grailed

It doesn't matter worth a damn because the presidents get their own circle thing and aren't legendary enough to manifest on their own right.

George " God of the Americans" Washington will never be a Saber or Rider.

>>159780630
Does this not more or less happen in Realta Nua? I know the sex scene at the end of the day obviously doesn't

>>159780630
You can't call yourself a couple if you haven't fought at least once. That was a rite of passage for them.

>>159780001
"fine".

10 years on, he and Iri are still doing something in the background (dealing with the consequences of their action), leaving their children to the maid. Prisma world is only fine on the surface

>>159780641
Most of it is a slideshow that summarises the event of FSN IIRC, so probably not.

>>159780630
Saber also had an awkward sex scene where another woman forced herself on her even before Shirou put his dick in.

>>159780574
That's an alright theory.
Except Saber Lily has been defined as Arturia before her kingship in F/GO. It's starry-eyed her as a child as she travels around with Merlin and learns how to be a knight. And she carries Caliburn instead of Excalibur.

I think Lily first appeared in Fate/Unlimited Codes and at that time it was just what Medea dressed her up in when she was captured.

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>>159775775
This.

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>>159780640
Sakura route sucks. I couldn't even finish it.
>Muh pain
>Muh edge
>Muh sexual angst
>mfw

I'd rather get clubbed over the head with a brick than have to go through the time and trouble to obtain enough drugs and alcohol to unsuccessfully attempt to make the VN engaging in anyway.

>>159780459
Already a thing.

https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139/1/Keit-AI-Tomoyuki-x-Seiko-Keit%E6%84%9B-%E5%A5%89%E6%96%87-x-%E8%81%96%E5%AD%90

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>>159780630
Did you never fought with someone you care about, anon? And yeah, part of the date was awkward, but they had fun and the ending of it brought them closer.

>>159776569
>Has to retroactively ship Shitrou and wormsult as siblings to take interest in sakuraroute.
>/a/, 2017 anno domini

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>>159780459
Is it time?

>>159779422
>/z/
RIP

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>>159780756
That's literally all Butcher's writing is. You just burned yourself you dumb Zerofag.

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>>159780459
>yfw Keit-ai was invented by Fate/Stay Night

Shiro Emiya falls in love with a Rin Tohsaka.

Unable to confess, he is gifted by a deus ex machina with the Magus's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls her, and is overjoyed to find out that she has a crush on him as well.

But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day's confessions to Rin, she only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, the clueless boy finds out that the girl he called is not the same girl he fell in love with. In fact, she doesn't exist in this universe at all. She is the girl's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with the MC's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of her crush.

Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of LOVE.

Take note: The phone call with Rin's AU Self is actually canon.

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>>159780756
How is that any different from Zero?

>>159780695
>Reading the porn scenes
Literally will ruin what little of this story there is to like. I found it impossible to like or sympathize with Shirou at all after reading about his pedo-sadistic sexual urges.

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>>159780806
>>159780533
>2011 + 6
>still thinking Keit-ai is done by one guy

SHIGGY DIGG-AI

>>159780871
>>>/reddit/

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>>159780871
>pedo-sadistic sexual urges
Hah if only. I would have identified with him better.

>>159780745
How can Saber even compete?

>>159780859
DAMN, Sakura without her hair ribbon and abaya looks like THAT???

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>>159780850
FINDS

>>159780871
You need to go back.

>>159776888
>>159779422
>Not being GAR for archer

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>>159780459

>>159780817
So they're exactly the same in your eyes? That
s nonsense, and you know it. Sometimes common wisdom is better than insulated elitist preferences. And this is definitely one of those cases.

>>159780859
One is badly written and directed at young teenagers, replete with porn scenes. The other is well written and directed at an older demographic.

>>159780978
What's GAR again?

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>>159780964
Takeuchi is that you?
>>159780937
By not being full of worms

>>159778793
>ultimate god mother
Wow for once I found another person who doesn't think it'll end in a harem

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So I've spotted this fucker in front of Hobby Lobby. Any tips?

UBW would have been my favorite route if the scene where Caster tortures Saber wasn't in there. It really took me out of the story because I had to stop and fap too many times.

>>159781020
Shirou doesn't mind the whole worm thing.

>>159781012
>directed at young teenagers
>replete with porn scenes
>young teenagers
>porn scenes
>Original VN was 18+
What did he mean by this?

>>159780923
brutalizing lolis is never okay. I don't need to see my MC hurt his gf so badly during sex that she cries. If that makes me >>>/cancer/, then so be it.

>>159781069
He certainly got assblasted when he learned she wasn't a virgin.

>>159775973
>murdering half the town
>how to tell a shitposter hasn't actually read the VN

>>159776746
Sakura basically is the one who takes down Zouken and Kotomine, though. Ilya and Shirou just watch over their last moments.

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>>159780459
Shaggy Rogers falls in love with Velma Dinkley.

Unable to confess, he is gifted by a deus ex machina with the girl's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls her, and is overjoyed to find out that she has a crush on him as well.

But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day's confessions to the girl, she only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the girl he called is not the same girl he fell in love with. In fact, she doesn't exist in this universe at all. She is the girl's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with the MC's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of her crush.

Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of JINKIES.

OP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHfyLv6t5to

>>159781061
Got damn, UBW Saber looks like THAT???

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>>159781012
>Sometimes common wisdom is better than insulated elitist preferences.
Hmm you bait has a very refined feeling to it my friend.

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>>159781093
>what are tears of pleasure

>>159781110
No?

>>159781093
Bruh, have you ever fucked someone? Do you know how a first time is like?

Oh, sorry. I forgot I was in the home of the virgin /a/utists

>>159781138
Get the fuck back on /tv/ you garbage spewing gaijewn tumor

>>159774938
>Shooting swords is a Fate original
Get some education in you, anon.

>>159780316
>We know that they spend eternity together in Avalon by the end of her route
Along with Merlin, which makes the whole thing rather awkward.

>>159781169
Play the original game rather than the RN version, senpai

>>159781174
God damn right. Now go back to whatever lifeless cattlefarm you came from, and be among your own kind.
>>>/facebook/
>>>/reddit/

>>159781212
Merlin's trapped in a tower and is too busy shitposting in the internet

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>>159781219
I've only played the original patched and never the RN version

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>>159781093
The tears are the best part you baby

>>159781234
I'm a oldfag here, you just have to learn that not everyone here is a pathetic virgin like you.

>>159781212
Yeah, kind of. Considering Merlin somewhat had special feelings for Saber as well. But I'm sure he's content with just seeing her happy. At least that's what it tells me at the end of Garden of Avalon drama cd when he shouted in joy when Saber finally accepted her past. It's also connected to Fate route considering Merlin mentions that there must be someone who changed her.

So exactly what "far reaching implications" for the Nasuverse does Prisma Ilya have?

>>159773081
>implying that isnt 90% of people who play visual novels where the goal is to fuck a gril

>>159773242
Ares was a stereotypical london chap with Misaka Mikoto's basic skill set. He was only able to do any of that because of mastery over magnetism. My first thought was a Magneto knockoff, but he isn't known to fire thunderbolts at his enemies. The story wasn't even remotely the same thing as UBW, as WW has the power to back up her delusions and there isn't a version of herself from the future trying to convince her to settle down and be a stay at home mom.

>>159781358
If F/SN didn't let you fuck or at least romance the female characters I wouldn't have played it.

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>>159780316
>They're the most beloved heroines of their franchise so they already won.
>4. Matou Sakura
>7. Tohsaka Rin

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Yes!

>>159780850
Well, alternate universe romance in fiction isn't exactly a new thing, really. In fact, I dare say it's already a thing.

>>159774889
Because nu-mods are fucking retarded

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>>159781419
Wormslut > Old man whore

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>>159781061

>>159781304
Older oldfag than you here. You need to learn that it is essential to the culture of this place to give the losers and outcasts the default discretion at determining the culture. So, even if you or I are not actually the already recognized stereotype, to allow outsiders to come in and attack them with the usual insults is to open /a/ to mainstream influence in a way that nobody here wants.

Do not insult weebs.
Do not insult otakus.

This is pretty simple to understand, and if you've been here as long as you say you have, you should be embarrassed to not already have grasped this. Mainstream thought takes precedence everywhere else. Let's work together to keep /a/ different and unique.

>>159772919
I want to kiss her nape.

>>159776272
Is this pasta?

>>159773396
What's wrong with UBW?

>>159779940
Actually, Rin and Sakura's virginity status were switched in the all-ages version.

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>>159780850
>Take note: The phone call with Rin's AU Self is actually canon.

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>>159781497
That's BB and she doesn't have worms. Can Sakurafags not even tell her apart from her clones?

>>159776888
I fucking hate these UBW vs HF wars so much. Everyone who participates in them is a fag with shit taste and should die.

>>159781579
Worst girl route and Shirou acts like a giant faggot for the first half

>>159780850
Rin x Tohsaka Keit-Ai route confirmed!

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>>159781544
Too long, didn't read. Go fuck yourself

>>159776272
>If you had a more "serious" story that people didn't judge on the fact it had porn scenes and was from Japan, people would be regarding Shirou as one of the most interesting protagonists of modern literature.

People have sex in real life, you know. It's funny how prudish you people can be while slobbering all over Nasu's dick, all the while making excuses for something that was never an issue in the first place. If anything, there would be more sex in Fate if it was realistic at all. Shirou would have been dicking Saber from day one if he was serious about the grail war at all.

>>159777066
What's wrong with the UBW anime?

>>159777113
But the thing is Rin is honestly too strong of a character, so I feel like she is the only one who doesn't need the romance with Shirou while the other girls need him in some way.

>>159781579
Asspull of Archer living, when he should've died, saving the day

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>>159777535
I wanted Saber x Archer shipping so badly; I was devasted that ufotable didn't include any. Especially since it's basically canon that Archer came from a Fate Good-esque route.

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>>159781544

>>159781667
>>>/b/
>>>/facebook/

You don't belong here

>>159780641
You have to get every ending (true, good, normal, bad) of the game first

>>159781590
Does RN actually say Rin isn't a virgin? I keep hearing this and I assume it's some stupid meme.

>>159779538
Why do they use Ozymandias when it's literally a mistranslation of Ramses II

>>159781799
No, I mean can I just watch it on youtube or something? Does it spoil other routes?

>>159781544
Oldest oldfag here, why the fuck are you appealing to inconfirmable seniority? Don't try to police what other people insult each other as.

>>159780511
Holy shit I am now excited for the anime, thanks anon!

Do I have shit taste if I played the original VN but still liked Zero more?

>>159781801
If she isn't a virgin, it's because she decided to try her hand at homosexuality. Because there's no guys she ever showed interest in beyond her crush on Shirou.

>>159781835
It recaps every route yes.
You should probably get out of here right now too if you don't want spoilers.

>>159775365
finally a right opinion

>>159781838
How about you stop insulting others with Facebook-tier phrases and ideals?

>>159781801
All mentions of her being a virgin are removed. Combine that with how slutty she always behaved, and it's obvious she isn't one anymore. Nobody would believe she was one if it weren't explicitly stated, after all.

>>159781801
No, this is a stupid shitposting meme.
In the original, Sakura mentions "oh, so you were a virgin" or something like that in one of the bad ends when it's implied she's worm-raping Rin.

In RN, that line is removed, because the implications of worm-rape were toned down - since RN is supposed to be all-ages, duh.

Some Sakurafags (or false-flaggers) seized on that and said "aha, now they don't mention her being a virgin therefore she isn't a virgin" even though that would patently make no sense.

>>159781671
>People have sex in real life, you know
>t. someone who has never had sex and who's entire sexual experience is limited 3dpd porn garbage and gook comic books and visual "novels"

>>159776272
"No."

>>159781860
Why do you like Zero more? What do you dislike about FSN?

>>159781894
>Combine that with how slutty she always behaved

In original UBW she doesn't even know what an erect cock looks like.

>>159781897
Thanks. I figured it was something like that.

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>>159781724
F/GO ships it

>>159781940
>In original UBW she doesn't even know what an erect cock looks like.
Does porn not exist in the Nasuverse?

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>>159781419
At least mention the latest official poll with the most number of votes. Even Gilgamesh would have beaten her in popularity had they not separate the votes from Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night.

>>159781978
Rin is a good girl

>>159781765
>M-muh safespace
Pathetic. Go away if you can't handle the banter, newfag

>>159781978
Rin is pure and would not look at porn.

>>159781958
Fug. Will playing F/GO casually spoil any of F/SN?

>>159781940
>original UBW
Which was retconned (not to mention that scene was completely out of character, considering she happily had a threesome with Saber and Shirou in a shed, and casually talked about masturbation). Rin is Ishtar now. Let the meaning of that sink in for a bit.

Was HF too edgy?

>>159781992
>>159782002
She's definitely not pure. She has sexual desires like everyone else, and hers are more broad than most girls to boot. I would guess she was more into the tits and ass side at the time though.

>>159781958
>Saber blushing
CUTE
U
T
E

>>159782047
Just edgy enough

>>159782020
What are other FSN retcons? Besides FZ.

>>159781596
Sakurafags are retarded. In other news: water is wet

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>>159782017
>2017
>he still hasn't read FSN

>>159782020
Yeah, the three routes are contradictory in some ways. Glad I never bothered with anything in this franchise past the original vn and f/z.

>>159782017
Yes you fucking retard. Also how the flying fuck do you not know the basic premise of a decade old+ VN

>>159781989
>those characters obviously placed there to advertise the latest TM works at the time
Unreliable as fuck results. Who the fuck cares about Alice?

>>159782047
It was perfectly fine, like Tsukihime.
The dark setting with the hopelessly idealist MC made a good contrast. The violence was never for the sake of itself. It was for the sake of breaking down Shirou's ideal and driving him into a corner.

>>159782017
It will spoil you on servant's identities.

>>159782020
>hurr retcons
Holy shit I can't believe you're still using this stale-ass shitposting, how long has it been?

>>159781998
>banter
>safespace
>>>/pol/

You shouldn't be calling anyone newfag, newfag. Yes, this is a biased, insecure safe space. Get used to it. You can mosey on back over to /pol/ where they get a kick out of being treated like shit by jews all day, everyday.

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>>159782070
Saber's everything is so cute and lovely. I wish I could affix her figure in my eyes for all of eternity.

>>159781989
None of those polls are really that accurate. I'm a Sakurafag and I know what Rin is usually more popular than her, and also in that one there's no way Waver is more popular than Illya overall.

Waifufags just pick whichever one makes their waifu look best.

>>159782047
It went into too much detail on what happened to Sakura. Tsukihime handled the same type of subject better with Kohaku.

>>159772919
No, Fate sucks.

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>>159781958
>>159782070

It's quite cute. You fight against the corrupted version of Saber in the prologue singularity and corrupted Archer is the one protecting her

>>159781596
Matou Sakura is worm-free too shortly after the worms are first revealed, though.

>>159781936
I don't dislike FSN but I thought the characters were much better in Zero. In the original VN I couldn't bring myself to really care about any of characters. Reading the routes felt like a chore a lot of the time because there seemed to be a lot of unnecessary dialogue added. The interesting content was minuscule in comparison to the uninteresting content in the VN. By the time I would finally get to something interesting happening, the effect was lost because I would be burned out from reading the hours of uninteresting dialogue.

I realize a story can't be interesting 100% of the time but I feel there should be a balance that was not present in the VN.

>>159781860
No, Fate doesn't have great writing in general. Enjoy what you want

>>159774708
Saber and Rin were supposed to be "Fate/Stay Night", while the routes for Illya and Sakura was meant to be "Fate/Other Night." But due to pricing concerns they decided to just make one game, with the Sakura route being included (and the Illya route unfortunately being scrapped and merged with Sakura to become HF); and well, the rest is history.

>>159782177
>Saber's everything is so cute and lovely

I don't like how her backstory contradicted her characterization so heavily. She was supposed to have been a major political figure in her life, not a bashful teenage girl. She can't be both. It just makes no sense.

>>159772919
>go to school alone and nearly get yourself killed
>go to the park alone and nearly get yourself killed
>go into a creepy church basement on the other side of town and nearly get yourself killed
>alternately: agree to meet creepy priest in a secluded room, after being told this is a terrible idea, and get killed
Shirou was kind of retarded in Fate.

>>159782171
It's been ten years since the release of Realta Nua, so people going on about things like dickworms and used goods are some stale as fuck shitposters.

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>>159782234
Shirou literally has waifufagged so hard he waifufags in the afterlife. Truly a man we should aspire to be.

>>159782097
>>159782131
>>159782157
Should have mentioned that I've completed the Fate route and have been spoiled on most other stuff just by hanging around on /a/ before got into Fate. Assholes.

>>159782239
>shortly after
Are you forgetting Zouken being in her?

>>159782047
HF was my favorite route and I think there were some parts that were a little unnecessary.

Like Shinji rape, by that point everybody already knew he was a shitbag and hated him, and for Sakura everyone already knew she went through intense suffering and wanted to save her (unless you are heartless scum).

>>159782296
She had to behave and was treated as a man in role as king. The reason she acted differently in Fate was that she had to deal with Shirou who would only treat her as a girl.

>>159782259
Pace yourself if you're feeling burned out. The VN wasn't made for you to read it all at once.

>>159782259
Yea that was my exact experience. Maybe the story would have been more interesting if I hadn't been spoiled on pretty much everything in the VN by Zero and /a/ssholes

>>159782338
One single worm inside her heart, and she pulls it out before the end of the route.

>>159782328
You completed Fate yet didn't want to keep going?

>>159782328
>actively look for spoilers
>mad when you get spoiled

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Will they ever make up?

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So excited for the HF movie (Shinji's route)

>>159782380
Compared to BB who never had worms in her.

Are the Realta Nua changes canon?

>>159782296
She killed her human side in order to become the inhuman king Arthur. After spending time with Shirou and the others she regains part of this lost humanity

>>159782384
They both died hundreds of years ago, so no

>>159782304
He's suicidal like that in UBW and HF too

>>159782415
Yes. The only ones against them are rabid Sakura haters wanting to cling to their wormslut memes.

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>>159782408
/ourguy/, he deserved better.

>>159782346
When it got to her being Shinji's sex slave I honestly just stopped caring and wanted the route to end. It went too far at that point and I've never liked her character since then.

>>159776569
>She's his osananajimi, almost like his sister.
Fucking what? Speak American, dumbass.

>>159782415
RN is an adaptation of the original VN, and adaptations are never canon.

>>159782481
At least he's somewhat competent in the other two.

>>159782381
I finished Fate yesterday am in the process of reading UBW. Its okay so far.

>>159782382
Retard.

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>>159782296
Nah

>>159782384
Literally in Apocrypha. At least on Mo-san's side. Also FGO

>>159782513
>F/SN is an adaptation of the original Fate/Prototype, and adaptations are never canon

>>159782520
>currently in a thread for FSN
>"I'm not looking for spoilers, I swear!"
Are you actually retarded?

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>>159772919
You're god damn right it was.

>>159782513
How is it an adaption?

>>159782519
He was pretty competent in Fate for someone who didn't received any direct experience from Archer like UBW Shirou and HF Shirou did

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>>159781724
>>159782234
>>159782320
You should see her end route in Fate/Extella. Archer cooks for her forever and is happy that everything went according to his plan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0dyd273t_E&t

>>159782571
I'm the OP of this thread, fucking idiot.

>>159782356
Like I said, it was not convincing. She could not have been that isolated as a king, that any male attention would have her turning into a blushing ball of squish. That, combined with her otherwise "tough" character aspect, just made her come across as dull, as in unintelligent.

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>>159782491
>I didn't like her because of something Shinji did

>>159782533
That's extremely cute. Seiba deserves a happy life

>>159782552
Prototype is a 20 minutes OVA that was OFFICIALLY released after FSN. Nice try though.

>>159782590
It's an adaptation from eroge to galge, just like the anime is an adaptation from galge to anime