Which movie was better?

Keit-Ai.

KnK
Yamada wins by a huge margin over Shinkai.

>>157692396
>Kimi no Na wa
Obnoxious music insertion, amv tier storytelling, sensationalist garbage dependent on muh earthquake incident, 1-dimensional characters, nonsensical plot, mediocre character animation, half-baked thematic delivery, hackneyed dialogue. Overall it's pretty much the worst anime film of the decade
>Koe no Katachi
Great storytelling, very delicate direction, careful use of sound mixing, complex imagery, actually grounded and realistic except for that one moment, memorable characters, meaningful themes, meticulous character acting. 2016 AOTY.

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>>157692396
I still haven't seen Your Name.

Both where shait, fampai.

Koe no Katachi could have been great but it was to much off a bit cryfest without actually saying something.

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Katachi had a way more compelling plot for the first half and then almost fizzled with the melodrama bombs, but managed to pull through by ending better than the manga. Speaking of that, a lot of fat was trimmed from the manga for better or worse. The movie subplot was dropped at the expense of some development of side characters, but the movie was framed as Shouya's journey so it's not too big an issue.

Your Name was fantastic, but its just a remix of 5cm and Voices of a Distant Star with a happier ending for the sake of theater viewers. Unlike 5cm, theres no lasting impression or feeling after you've finished watching. It's undeniably a good movie, but nothing about it really sticks in my mind, and unlike other Shinkai works like Garden of Feet, theres less pretty scenery porn to look at.

>>157692804
What do you mean it didn't say anything?

>>157692396
Your Name was a good movie, and A Silent Voice was a good film.

Shinkai
>Premiere screening in AX garnered a standing ovation
>Kimi no Na wa becomes a blockbuster hit
>Actually a well paced movie
>Technically impressive in visuals and huge upgrade from his past films
>Satisfying end and memorable protaginists
>Gets screened in many theaters worldwide.
>Blockbuster hit in Hong Kong
>Blockbuster hit in Korea
>9/10 rating from audience
>Becomes the contender for Oscar Nomination

Yamada
>Pre-screening event in Japan got vocal KyoAni twitter fanbase say good things
>Upon proper screening it was just so-so
>Koe no Katachi gets the scraps of Kimi no Na wa audience
>Gets few more screens but fails to get anything and falls off into obscurity
>8.3/10 rating from the audience
>Lost all the meaning because of unrealistic and unnecessary drama
>Lots of disatisfied manga readers
>Pretentious ending
>Overdone faux-cinematography to make it seem "technical" when in fact it barely added anything to the movies narrative
>Said "cinematography" is actually nothing special and could be done easily in a properly budgeted TV anime
>Gets forgotten by people a few weeks after
>Director doesn't get any awards

>>157692396
Kizumonogatari.

>>157692874
He ran out of ritalin and couldn't pay attention for 2 hours straight.

>>157692396
Koe no Katachi. Shinkai is a lousy director.
Kimi no Na wa had better animation though.

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>>157692960
oh right that still exists

Was the box office for Koe no Katachi good at least?

I can't help but feel bad for KyoAni and their lousy revenue.

>>157692956
4/10 post, barely worthy of a (you)

>>157693205
but it's all true though, people liked Kimi no Na Wa better than KnK

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>>157693190
>kyoani
>lousy revenue

>>157692956
KnK beat Kimi no Nawa as Best Animation of the Year in the 26th Japan Movie Critics Awards
>>157693190
Kyoani already got money and the movie rights from MEXT

>>157693157
Yes it does. And it was the best of the three.

>>157693247
That it was more popular is the only true thing there.

Shaft's Fireworks.

>>157693321
KnK >>> Kizu > Your Name

>>157693321
Absolute, unadulterated pleb taste right here.

>>157692396
Your Name -- 7/10 (competent Disney-wanabe popcorn flick)
A Silent Voice -- 9/10 (teen kino)

>>157692956
Yamada
>Smothers everything in bloom and chromatic aberration to hide mediocre animation

>>157693378
Yeah, Kara no Kyoukai was pretty good.

>>157693480
Also

>Shinkai
Makes a huge hit with completely original story

>Yamada
>can't do the same even with famous and award winning source material

>>157692655
>Your Name
>mediocre character animation

How so?

Blame was better than both because it had better VAs

>>157692874
Well it's not that it didn't say anything.
But there were so many emotional moments and they were all so similar.
I fucking love the beginning of the movie.
But a lot of what happened felt kinda pointless and messy despite it looking so beautiful.
I just don't like how it was all presented.
>muh guilt
>muh change
>muh friends
They were all crying about the same bullshit for an entire hour.
I realize that the characters are actually kind of nuanced but since the movies runtime didn't give them much time to explore everyone, so they all felt kind of flat to me.

Again, I liked the movie but it was certainly flawed.
It's hard to put into words, maybe it was the dialogues too.

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>>157692396
they didn't even share a kiss in neither movie so they both suck

>>157693579
>it's hard to out into words
I can tell

>>157693579
P L E B (<--- Y O U)

>>157693602
the bodyswapping was a metaphor for sex

>>157693550
"Yamada Bingo" when? Someone suggested it in another thread?

>>157692664
It's alright. Shinkai's best movie easily.

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Kino no Na wa > Blur and Chromatic Aberration The Movie

>>157693675
That's not saying much

Koe no Katachi had better girls, better animation, better music, and a better story.

>>157692396
http://www.strawpoll.me/13042183

>>157692396
I'm tired of having this argument everyday. Can't we move on?

>>157693751
No kimi no nawa had better animation and music

Can we have a non-bait Kimi no Na Wa thread for once?

>>157693751
Better girls sure. animation is definitely a no. Music I guess so, it was at least somewhat fresh, KnNw was good but generic

>>157693205
So good things about knk are the only things you'll listen to? Okay you baby.

>>157693697
She's like a recent film school grad who just discovered the latest effects and can't help stuffing them in everywhere.

Maybe someday she'll make a professional-looking movie, but not today.

>>157693749
>cuck
>"""people"""

You need to go back.

>>157693853
Nobody likes stale pasta.

>>157693853
That post doesn't even list good things about Your Name you twit. It's just >it sold a lot repeated a bunch of times.

Kimi no Na wawas more captivating experience but I'm already forgetting it just 2 hours after viewing, just like it's main characters were forgetting about their dreams.
Koe no Katachi wasn't that impressive but it's on my mind constantly for 5th day now and I'm now exhausted from reading every appearing thread about it.

>>157693831
It's a normalfag anime on par with Naruto or Shingeki no Kyoujin, so the answer is pretty clearly and emphatically: NO!

>>157693831
We can't. Knkfags are way too salty.

>>157693913
Point 1,3,4,5,9,10 are valid points.

It's a shame Koe no Katachi's BDs aren't selling all that much. Contrary to what some lickers and ultimatebetamax want to believe, they did not make much profit from the theater screenings, it was the BDs they had a hand on and also rights to some merch.

>>157694117
The screenings more than doubled the production costs. You have no idea what you're talking about. Kaguya Hime only cost 30 million dollars to make, for example, and that one was clearly a lot more expensive than the average Ghibli film (which in turn is more expensive than the average anime film.)

>>157694325
Screenings profit went to Shochiku not KyoAni.

>>157694325
>Kaguya Hime only cost 30 million dollars to make
50 million. The Wind Rises cost 30 million.

>>157694439
KyoAni didn't shoulder the whole cost either. Screening profits are split between the production companies and the publishers.

Shinkai is much cuter than Yamada.

>>157694504
Not split evenly, Shochiku was in charge of distribution of the film. KyoAni covered costs for production and had rights to BD sales and merch.

koe no floptachi sucks

>>157692655
>2016 AOTY
Implying there's been anything close to it in the last decade, not that that says much.

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Which main girl was cuter?

>>157694551
KyoAni wasn't the only company on the production committee. Stop spreading shit that is plainly untrue.

>>157693728
That's why it's only "alright"

>>157694581
Every year has an anime of the year, dumbass.

>>157694648
Being on top doesn't mean you have control over everything or spent the most of every detail of the film's production.

I mean, you can tell who had control over the film's theater run when it was Shochiku that cut screenings almost in half by the third week, despite the movie picking up pace. Koe no Katachi would've definitely grossed over 3 billion if not for that mistake, and it was a mistake on their part since it was their highest grossing film that year.

>>157693939
Then you're only remembering it because of the threads. Kyoanifags spam their shit threads to make that garbage movie more relevant.
The topics are from the most asinine and emptiest things, mind you. Like this one for example >>157685741 "hurr i wanna be bullied DURR"
Even its first post pointed that out >>157685808

Does KnK count as 2016's or 2017's film in the West? Does it still have a shot at the Oscars or was that already last year? Not that it has any actual chance against Disney

>>157694581
>Implying there's been anything close to it in the last decade
I'm pretty sure there have been many others 5/10 anime in the last decade.

>>157692396
I can't wait for the In This Corner of the World BD to drop and BTFO both of these overrated mediocrities.

>>157694755
There's no need to be upset. Lurk more and you'll get used to it newfriend.

>>157694886
>In This Corner of the World
It's garbage. Another nationalist apologetic piece.

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>>157693697
Artless craftsmanship. Your name has nothing on par with webm related.

>>157693697
>muh pretty effects
>muh watercolors
>muh calque background animation
Pleb.

>>157694981
Is there anything you didn't like about it besides on moral grounds? I wish I could see it too.

>>157695041
That's not particularly impressive.

>>157695041
Apart from the lack of hair pulling this actually looks like a fight between brats.

>>157695076
It's a tepid retread of previous Katabuchi films like Ushiro no Shoumen Daare. Nostalgia bait.

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Both.

KyoAni and Keit-Ai are established way-finders.

>>157695041
How did they make it look so realistic? It's amazing.

>>157695116
Pearls before swine, as usual I see. It must suck having autism.

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kizumonogatari

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>>157693321
>Yes it does. And it was the best of the three.

>>157695183
At this point ~monogatari fags are just sad.

>>157695174
You're trying to prove a point and when someone can't see it you insult them is that the usual Kyoani fan way of arguing or just yours?

>>157693831
It's based off a meme. It was doomed from the start.

>>157695164
If it's realistic, it's rotoscoped.

>>157695116
>implying

>>157695200
SHAFT has the BEST backgrounds.

>>157695219
I'm not a kyoani fan. I'm an animation fan. That scene has amazing character animation. I'm not going to pontificate about it to every random retard on /a/ who claims they're unimpressed (especially when there's a high chance they're just shitposting.)

>>157695164
see >>157695200

Photography finds a way.

>>157695150
I've only seen Kiki's Delivery Service, Princess Arete and Mai Mai Miracle. Is it anything like those? Can't say I care for Mai Mai Miracle, but I love the other two.

>>157695238
Doesn't look rotoscoped.

>>157692396
I enjoyed Kimi no na wa more, but Koe no Katachi seemed like it would've been a lot better if I had read the manga.
Though I guess if it can't appeal to people who don't already have context, that makes it a less good movie in that respect.

>>157695200
No wonder it flopped.

>>157695296
He's clearly shitposting, stop replying.

>>157695296
It is similar in tone to Mai Mai Miracle, but with a more cohesive look (no awkward CGI for example). It is nothing like Kiki (which is directed by Miyazaki, not Katabuchi) or Arete.

>>157695358
>implying
The only one shitposting is you.

>>157693697
This scene alone made this movie a masterpiece.
>>157695041
Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8.

>>157695313
>Koe no Katachi seemed like it would've been a lot better if I had read the manga.
I had the opposite impression. I'm glad I didn't read the manga which seems to suck the subtlety out of the narrative.

>>157694586
Mitsuha by far.

>>157694052
Yeah. Not just here too. I see comments on KnK trailers saying it's better than Kimi No Na Wa while I don't really see KnK being brought up at Kimi No Na Wa trailers.

>>157695439
See
>>157695060

>>157695458
That's because Shinkai does not have a dedicated shitposter hatebase.

>>157694052
What is there to be salty about anyways? KnK is successful enough. Got #4 on MAL.

>>157695520
It's Kyoanifags being Kyoanifags.

>>157695116
Do you really think it's less impressive than >>157693697

The Your Name scene is just a bunch of nothing with the purpose of showing off, it just looks fake and feels fake and is done like that without a reason.

>>157695449
I understand where you're coming from, but another problem as a manga adaptation was that it lacked the kind of finality that Kimi no na wa had. That said, it's definitely made me want to check out the manga and give it a rewatch after I'm done with that.

>>157695402
"nationalistic apologetic piece" it's either idiocy or shitposting. I gave you the benefit of doubt, but if you insist.

>>157695368
Mai Mai Miracle was okaaay but I felt it was just a less imaginative Miyazaki type film. Had some bite though. I dunno, I hope Kono Sekai is a bit better.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13042183/r

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>>157695200
>>157695183
K I N O

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>>157695520
Guess which one #1 on MAL?

I swear the last thread exactly like this got deleted by the mods yet this is still standing. Why?

>>157694586
Taki in Mitsuha's body.

>>157695687
I know. But No #4 is already pretty fucking good.

>>157692396
I dunno. Not even the same genre.

>>157695756
This. KnK is not a romance movie.

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>>157692396
Which subs should I go with for each one of these?

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>>157695520
>>157695687
>KnK replaced Steins;Gate as #4

>>157695731
Look at the picture again.

FINDS A WAY

>>157695785
35mm for KnK

>>157695839
>People in threads kept saying nii-sama was better
>Ended up watching it twice anyway because I enjoyed the film
>Multiple lines in Nii-sama version completely wrong
That said I think 35mm didn't translate on screen text for some parts which Nii-sama did.

>watching Kimi No Na Wa on theaters
>seats filled with guys
>can hear them talking about Shinkai
>also talks about Aoi Yuuki and Kana Hanazawa

Normies don't watch this shit in my country because the only animu movie normies would watch are Doraemon movies.

>>157695278
You're the one who seems to be shit posting. That Koe scene looks good but it's nowhere near as impressive as the Kimi scene, the fact that it was made using watercolor already puts it above most sakuga, you don't often see something like that but that Koe scene is very average as far as character acting goes.

>>157695551
>Bunch of nothing
Animating effects as detailed as those tends to be very difficult, more so on watercolor.

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>>157695839
Thanks m8!

Kimi no Na Wa its a good flick, you will have a good time watching it, visuals are nice, the inserts songs are ok but nothing that will let you thinking.
Koe no Katachi is a film. It makes you think, its not made so the audience feels good but so it reflects about the themes presented on it.

At least you KnK faggots had your manga translated. We have to wait until October for our side story LN and who knows when for the manga.

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Nigga even fucking Shinkai himself admitted that the movie was nothing special.

>>157696185
This. Shinkai wasn't even impressed by his own movie.

>>157695562
It's obvious you haven't seen either film I brought up, so shut the fuck up already.

>>157696185
Shinkai was mostly just afraid that if Kimi no na wa was hailed as a record-setting masterpiece, his following career as a director could be compromised.

He doesn't want to handle the burden that he might have hit his peak.

And if we discard /a/:s opinion due to most of us being contrarians, Kimi no na wa has become exactly what Shinkai feared it would become.

>>157696185
At least he's sincere.
When will Yamada admit that her movie is a poorly paced, bloated mess, drowned in overblown, hideous effects to hide the incompetent storytelling?

>>157695955
>Watercolour is hard so it must be impressive
The methodology should not have any influence on the end result, that scene has no purpose at all. You can animate anything as complex as you want but if it isn't actually saying anything, isn't showing anything, doesn't even look real, then it's not good animation.

>>157695955
>That Koe scene looks good but it's nowhere near as impressive as the Kimi scene
Absolute pleb. The Kimi no na wa scene is mostly effects animation. Lots of lines jumping all over the place. It's not even the most impressive scene in Kimi no na wa (the sake ceremony by Okiura is miles beter). Goes to show how little you know about animation.
>the fact that it was made using watercolor already puts it above most sakuga
A bunch of inconsequential nonsense. Animation is animation, it's the movement that matters, not what you draw each frame with.

>>157696358
If Shinkai is sincere then KnK must not be any of those things you state, since Shinkai sincerely stated Yamada's directing was spectacular in KnK.

>>157696185
>>157696258
Shinkai was just being humble. Meanwhile you even have Toshio Suzuki of Studio Ghibli praising it and Miyazaki being tsundere for it.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-09-07/anime-director-yamakan-says-he-envies-makoto-shinkai-your-name-film/.106179

And as for people from KyoAni, Yamakan publicly admitted how butthurt and jelly he is of Shinkai's succcess.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-09-07/anime-director-yamakan-says-he-envies-makoto-shinkai-your-name-film/.106179

>>157695955
>Animating effects as detailed as those tends to be very difficult, more so on watercolor.
False.

>>157696435
Okiura did Mitsuha running to her father's office. The sake ceremony was rotoscoped.

>>157696184
>t. someone who hasn't even seen In this Corner of the World

>>157696456
Shinkai was just saying nice things about KnK so that Yamada and KyoAnus would save face since he knew that KnK was gonna be absolutely fucking destroyed by Kimi no Na wa in the box office and in overall accolades, which it was.

>>157696460
Yamakan is not from KyoAni for years. And Shinkai himself praised Koe no Katachi and Yamada. This is all retarded autism wars and shitposting at this point.

>>157696538
>t. some KyoAnigger assblasted over Koe no Floptachi getting beaten Shinkai and Katabuchi

>>157696575
>Shinkai himself praised Koe no Katachi and Yamada
See >>157696556

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>>157696556
Nah, Shinkai has been a Yamada fan for a while. You can stop damage controlling.

>>157696456
He just wanted to fuck her.

>>157695942
>aoi yuuki is in both of these movies

wow

>>157696655
She's everywhere these days.

>>157696480
>Mitsuha running to her father's office.
Also better than the effects scene above. And the rotoscoping in the sake scene is better than the one at the end of the scene we're talking about (the background animation part is clearly calque).

>>157696599
(you)

/pity

>>157696686
Her range is pretty good now, I couldn't even tell it was her in KnK.

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>>157692396
I haven't watched Your Name yet but I feel like KnK fixed a lot of problems that the manga had, so even if I end up agreeing that Your Name is better when I see it, I'm still gonna think that KnK is a pretty damn good movie since it did a lot of good things in my opinion.

Who cares which one of these movies had better animation when they both got beaten by a TV anime last year?
Literally fighting for scraps.

>>157696784
What show do you think?

>>157696618
>>157696556
Ok, here's your (you) you waste of oxygen.

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>kyoni brainlets

>>157696742
>KnK fixed a lot of problems that the manga had
And it added even more.

>>157692396
I'm sure the right because the source material for left goes to shit halfway through.

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>>157696637
>damage controlling by accusing other people of damage controlling
>>157696725
>>157696825
>backing into a corner after being called out hard
Here's one more for the road. Happy trails faggots.

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Koe no Katachi: actually good released in my country
Kimi no na Wa: we only get the fucking manga
Koe no Katachi wins by default

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>>157696835
you're gonna have to elaborate on that becasue despite the fact that it dropped some character interactions in favor of focusing on Shoko and Ishida it also got rid of the god awful movie sub-plot that literally did nothing more than to hurt the passing, not to mention that giving Broccoli less screentime might have actually benefited his character since honestly there were time in the manga where he felt too pushy and annoying.

>>157696809
You know which one.

>>157696919
>muh awards
Nice to see you're a slut who's incapable of thinking on his own.

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>>157696637

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>shaft fans so mad they are spamming threads with anti-kyoani posts

>>157696951
Euphonium?

>>157696960
>MUH SHAFT BOGEYMAN
Nobody here is talking about Shaft.

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>>157696960
both are mediocre studios for pretentious horny teens and manchilds.

>>157696556
Its a well known fact that Shinkai is a huge KyoAni fan. His Twitter blows up with praise every season KyoAni has something airing

>>157696975
Nice try.

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>>157696952

>>157696556
Well, I think Shinkai was the last person in the world to believe that Kimi No Na Wa would become globally the highest-grossing anime movie of all time. From being a relatively minor name in the business, suddenly he beat EVERYONE he has ever looked up to.

Shinkai's burden is now to either make something even better, or to fade away in the shadow of the behemoth. It doesn't matter if the movies you make later are "better", he will always be reminded for the rest of his career that he can't beat Kimi No Na Wa. And that's pretty bad for someone who can have more than 20 years of his career still ahead of him.

>>157697012
Mob Psycho or Flip Flappers?

>>157696960
shaft is trash and not even up to par with the movies being discussed here.

>>157697010
Did he say anything about Hibikes or Maidragon?

>>157697012
gay skaters?

>>157697016
What would I be butthurt about? For one, I've actually seen all three movies and know what I'm talking about. You're just a sad guy fishing for (you)s. Notice how I am the only one replying to you, because I am the only one magnanimous enough to reply to such poor bait.

>>157697022
>Shinkai was the last person in the world to believe that Kimi No Na Wa would become globally the highest-grossing anime movie of all time
EXACTLY. He never expected Kimi no Na wa to be THAT huge, so he felt bad for Yamada.

>>157697032
The former, the latter lacked consistency.
>>157697069
Ah!

>>157696954
It's nip culture to give underserved praise, because doing otherwise would be rude.

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>>157696960

>>157697032
Anyone who thinks either of these has better animation than either of Your Name or A Silent Voice is blind or delusional.

>>157697106
>>157697139
>damage control

>>157697035
>>157697002
>>157696960
Reminder than Sangatsu no Lion was both a MUCH better manga and a better adaption than KnK.

>>157697046
He said a lot of good things about Hibike's first season. I dont use Twitter anymore so I dont know about S2 or Maid Dragon

>>157697186
Thank you for proving that this shitposting sessions are started by butthurt shaftfags with shit taste.

>>157697186
Hard to say if it was a better manga since both are different, but it was certainly a better adaptation as it didn't squeeze the source material into a fucking movie.

>>157697215
If you want intellectual discussion why are you on /a/?
It would be better for all of us.

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>>157697175
Why would we be playing damage control for a movie and a director that was magnanimously more successful and acclaimed than the one you prefer?

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>>157696952
>constantly flaunt whatever accolades and sales KyoAnushit receives
>get presented with works from other studios and directors that get far more critical and commercial acclaim
>gets defensive and says awards and sales don't matter
Sasuga KyoAniggers...

>>157697293
>shitposting is what 4chan is for
Hello newfag.
>>>/b/ is that way.

>>157692655
>Great storytelling, very delicate direction, careful use of sound mixing, complex imagery
did we watch the same movie?

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>>157696919
literally never heard of in the corner of the world

>>157697389
I am not a Kyoto Animation fan. I'm just not a total mouthbreathing retard. I never brought up sales or awards. You drooling shitposters did.

>>157697202
Even Vinland Saga's author likes Hibike.
https://twitter.com/makotoyukimura/status/612575617276473344
They can't keep getting away with it

Koe no Katachi would have worked better as a series rather than a movie. Kimi no Na Wa was the best movie of last year.

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>>157696184

>>157693550
>Yamada
>can't do the same even with famous and award winning source material

this
and she directed Tamako Love Story ffs

>>157697573
I don't think that's true, I don't see how the story would have benefited from an episodic structure.

>>157697573
If anything it's the other way around. Kimi no na wa had too many music video like montages that could have benefited from some expansion.

>>157697583
Underrated post.

>>157695041
>No smiling Shoko
It's shit

>>157696369
>the scene has no purpose at all
Why do you say this? Have you watched the movie?
>>157696435
>bunch of lines jumping all over the place
And you're telling me I don't know about animation?
>animation is animation,it's the movement that matters
By this logic a circle that is moving at 120fps is better than whatever anime scene you compare it to.
>>157696477
How so?

>>157698148
>And you're telling me I don't know about animation?
Yes, you don't. It's very typical of plebs to fawn over effects animation when it's actually a lot less difficult to do than character animation.

>How so?
The only thing more cumbersome with it is the fact that you have to be careful not to smear the paint while it's still wet, and you can't erase it, unlike pencils. But this comes with knowing how to use a brush properly. Pencil or brush, charcoal or watercolor -- they're just different techniques. As for erasing, you usually do a rough draft in pencil and then paint on new paper after you're confident about which lines you want.

It's obvious you're clueless about this so just drop it already.

Forgot to add
>>157698148
>120fps
This is an even bigger tell of just how clueless you are. I was talking about movement you twit, not "frames per second" not how smooth it is.

>>157692655
>2016 AOTY
But that's Shin Godzilla.

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>>157697583
>listened to

>>157697487
I love hibikes

>>157698334
>Yes, you don't. It's very typical of plebs to fawn over effects animation when it's actually a lot less difficult to do than character animation.
I find it hilarious how some KyoAni fans can be very hipocritical. You reject every piece of abstract animation from other studios and animators, calling it unnecesary or unrealistic but fawn all over Hyouka's own abstract animation. You're not even aware of this double standard you have.

>>157698417
>This is an even bigger tell of just how clueless you are. I was talking about movement you twit, not "frames per second" not how smooth it is.
And does that webm in the OP not have movement?

>>157697573
THIS THIS FUCKING THIS. It's a 7 volume manga crammed into a 2 hour movie. It would've worked much better as a 2 cour TV show. What was KyoAni thinking?

>>157695041
Is it just me, or is this scene meant to be erotic? I haven't watched it, but it looks really hot. Like a hatefuck or something.

>>157698612
The entire second half of the manga was terrible.

>>157698644
No, it was supposed to be hard to watch but KyoAni can't animate emotions properly so it comes off as hot.

>>157698522
>I find it hilarious how some KyoAni fans
Stopped reading here. I am not a KyoAni fan. I'm an animation fan. You're a clueless pleb, nothing else on the matter needs to be said.

>>157698644
It's just you. You're not right in the head anon.

>>157698644
Maybe without sound it can seem like that.

>>157698675
Nice bait.

>>157698612
Kyoani trimmed out all the garbage.

>>157698671
You didn't even read the manga. You're just repeating shit you heard from other KyoAniggers.

>>157698734
Okay mister animation fan. Why are you so close minded against abstract animation or animation using traditional mediums?

>>157698830
You have terrible shit taste if you can call the second half good, especially that awful ending.

As far as character acting, KyoAni is not even the best. The current best character acting animators are at A1, IG and Studio Ponoc (Ghibli). KyoAni animators are good but not the best.

>>157698644
>>157698675

It was supposed to be hard to watch and telegraphed a rape encounter, obviously.

Those who got hard watching it have particular tastes, and that's fine, but they got hard because what was meant to be telegraphed as a physical sexual confrontation did so successfully.

Fighting isn't puritanical in form. See: Any wrestling or MMA match. It's an uncomfortable segment to watch because they are actually fighting. It's possibly the most realistic fight between normal people in Anime.

>>157692843
>The movie subplot was dropped at the expense of some development of side characters, but the movie was framed as Shouya's journey so it's not too big an issue.
I disliked the move more because they left in all the characters who ultimately did nothing. Kawai and that faggot red headed dude could have been cut after Kawai gave Shouya that number

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>tfw no deaf gf like shoko

>>157698957
>A1

>>157698836
>Why are you so close minded against abstract animation or animation using traditional mediums?
What? No seriously, what? Fuck off already.

>>157698967
>violet has an attempted rape scene
I guess that will be the next KyoAni shitstorm if they animate it

>>157698957
facepalm.jpg

>>157693636
>he likes anime movies
How to tell you've never seen pussy irl 101

>>157695041
Reread the oneshot again and if you still think this scence is great, you are an idiot
Yes the animation is great but there are no meaning behind it. It look like a moeblob doing cute thing and making cute sounds or like another anon said
>>157698644

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>>157699074
>>157698957
forgot pic

>>157698957
It's not like Kyoani has full on sakuga scenes constantly, but they are the best when it comes to consistency. Other studios like to have mediocre character animation in non-important scenes because it gets the job done while blowing their load on important scenes. IG and A1 do this most, same as most other studios, Ghibli less so.

If I had to put numbers on it, IG and AI go from between 50% effort and 100% effort into character animation, Ghibli at 60% 90%, while Kyoani operates at a constant 80%
Which you prefer is entirely up to you but I like the consistency of Kyoani. Gives the world a much more solid and realistic feeling.

>157699138
Nice bait.

>>157699145
That made me laugh really hard for some reason.

>>157699167
>hur dur he making a point I disagree with so its must be bait

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>>157699074
>>157699145

They have two or three great character animators, but since they make like a dozen shows per season they're spread thin.

>>157694981
>Another nationalist apologetic piece.
I have read the manga. It was explicitly harsh towards the Ultranationalist government. If anything, the title suggests that it tries to tell a story of another 'side' of WW II Japan. Japan that "could have been"; how the MC could have been a painter instead, and so forth. Also, Japan that can endure any hardships thrown at them, including from their own people. It might not seem convincingly done to a lot of foreigners, including me, but for the Japanese it does (which really should have been the other way around, considering the title).

Maybe I'm wrong, but whatever.

The oneshot has nothing to do with whether that scene is effective in the film or not. Again: nice bait. Try harder next time.

>>157699138
I kind of agree, they either removed or played down most gut-wrenching scenes from the manga. Even though the attempted suicide scene looked great, it was too artistic, didn't have that raw feel from the manga.

>>157699114
Are you new or just woke up from a 8 year old comma? No one posts like this anymore.

>>157699344
Just because it waves dismayingly at the fascist government at the time doesn't mean the film is not just nationalist apologetics/waxing nostalgia.

>>157699402
I couldn't care less what posts you think are the it thing now.

>>157699404
The movie is about a family who did not want war, how is that apologetic? Apologetic would be a movie about a militant xenophobic family wanting to kamikaze their way into the white house but getting nuked in the process, and telling us we're supposed to feel bad for them.

>>157699450
You forgot your emoticon.

>>157699344
>Japan this Japan that Japan
Yeah, totally not a nationalist story.
>It might not seem convincingly done to a lot of foreigners, including me, but for the Japanese it does
Could it be because the Japanese are very nationalistic? Really gets my marbles rolling.

>>157699519
Why are you americans so asshurt when another country makes movies like this but are fine with dindu 9 11 cry evrytiem documentaries or glorified war films like private ryan?

>>157699463
>how is that apologetic?
It's hypocritical. It's using some rare exceptions to show an inaccurate, romanticised view of the time. It's the same as say some western film trying to retcon the existence of women handing out cowardice feathers to men who refused to enrol in WW1.

Jingoism was the culture of the day in Japan at that time.

>>157699584
I'm not american. And I hate those american patriotic films even more since they're not a matter of the distant past but about recent events.

>>157699584
Because they are brainwshed since childs to behave like that, try to talk to a yank, they act like soulles golems, same with brazilians and North koreans.
>>157699670
sure thing paco smith

>>157699584
>Why does a militaristic country like military films?

>>157699722
Poți să presupui că sunt american până nu mai poți. Mă doare în pulă. Tot tembel ești.

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>>157699874
>hurr look at me i can google translate
dumb yankee

>>157699367
Yeah, all the bullying got tone down way too much and that make Shouya redemtion path less impactful
One of the friends who watch with me even ask is Ishida like Shoko as a kid because it feel more like teasing than bullying which i can't blame her for thinking so

>>157699970
>all the bullying got tone down way too much
Nah, it got toned down just right. The manga was way over the top.

>>157699138
>no meaning behind it
except there is

>>157699999
>99999
Shit

>>157694755
GODani doesn't shill on /a/ they said. Not like those negros at Shat and Pullthetrigger.

>>157694886
I can't wait for Fireworks to do the same 200%.

>>157700260
No one cares for Fireworks.

>>157695200
>what are OP vids and why don't they look like the rest of the movie?

>>157695206
What's sad about that? It's called an art shift, and it's a staple of abstraction. Is abstraction too kino for you?

>>157700187
There suppose to be a meaning in it just the scene in thr movie fail to deliver

>>157699999
Quints speak the truth

>>157699999
Fuck, can't argur to those quints

>>157699404
>>157699641
>Just because it waves dismayingly at the fascist government at the time doesn't mean the film is not just nationalist apologetics/waxing nostalgia.
Within the context of the time, yes it does. All you did is misusing political concepts you clearly have no understanding of, so that the film fits towards your preconceived ideological framework, and should be filtered from your PC thought. As a result, your argument is unconvincing, generalized, and as vague as any politically-correct, fake criticism.

>>157700390
more like art shit lol

>>157696460
Has Shinbo or anyone from Shaft said anything about either?

>>157700583
Nope.

>>157700279
You cared enough to (you).

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>>157698444

What are the best subs for Koe no Katachi?

>>157701692
Nii-mm

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>>157692396
This is your anime director for the night, say something nice to her!

>>157692396
I prefer KnK for the direction and character acting, but Kimi no Niwa wins in the animation (slightly) and plot. They are both fantastic for different reasons. It's a shame they will always be compared like this just because they came out around the same time.

>>157701743
You mean these?
https://nyaa.pantsu.cat/view/924320

>>157701802
Just retire already, your directing style resembles a graduate student who just pirated Magic Bullet Looks. Your cookie cutter framing and dutch angles are overused. Please, please Yamada-san, get pregnant, form a family, and stop infecting KyoAni with your amateur directing.

157701802 + 157702219 is a nice trolling attempt but you're still a complete amateur.

>>157702166
These digits already called you out on it.

>>157701828
No, these: https://nyaa.pantsu.cat/view/924481

>>157702493
Those aren't subs, it's the movie.
So these?
https://nyaa.pantsu.cat/view/924408

>>157702432
Holy fuck just don't respond. This fake replying thing is so fucking retarded. Yes what he said is stupid and wrong but god damn it this type of post is so annoying.

>>157702697
You mad? You mad.

>>157699071
Shoko is a heavily romanticized depiction of a deaf person to the extent that the final characterization is pure fantasy.

>>157692396
Kimi no Na wa may be a bit clichéd and simple in terms of plot, but it works as a movie. KnK is a fucking mess with that amount of retarded melodrama compressed into a movie. They literally couldn't have picked a worse medium.

>>157702750
Just do better next time that's all I ask

Kimi no Na Wa.

We can all agree that Koe no Katachi has the superior OST, right?

>>157703922
Yes.

>>157703922
I listened to it a ton, it's very good and it works really well in the film.

>>157692396
Kimi no Na Wa > Koe no Katachi
Kono Seaki is the best movie for me but If I have to pick one from those two, it will be Kimi no Na Wa.
Koe no Katachi just mediocre and full of annoying characters. My Life as a Zucchini is better movie that deal with similar subject.

>>157692433
fuck off

>>157692396
>comparing 2 anime with differents genres

I think Koe no Katachi still win my heart tho

>>157703922
Characters = Kimi no Na wa, simply for the fact that they're not spread thing and only really focus on the two, Half of Koe's side characters are irrelevant to the movie adaptation.

Plot = Kimi no Na wa, more original, better structured and created from the ground up to be a movie, unlike Koe which is an adaptation and has quite a few pacing issues.

Animation = Kimi no Na wa, had more and more impressive sakuga, yes this is including character acting. Kinda annoyed by people thinking Koe was better here. Literal industry legends worked on Kimi no Na wa, you just can't compare KyoAni's inhouse animators to them.

Sound and Music = Koe no Katachi, Kimi's OST was catchy but generic pop trash. Koe's soundtrack really blends well with the theme of the movie.

>>157704447
Do you by any chance write reviews on MAL?

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>KyoAni haters when KyoAni sells more
>muh sales don't matter
>muh can't polish a turd

>KyoAni haters when KyoAni sells less
>HAHAHA flop flop flop flop
>the animation on this other movie makes it a masterpiece

>>157704591
I can do the same thing, look

>Kyoani drones when KyoAni sells more
>FINDS A WAY FINDS A WAY
>HOW CAN OTHER STUDIOS EVEN COMPETE

>KyoAni drones when KyoAni show does't sell
>MUH KYOANI STORE
>WHO CARES THEY STILL PROFIT MORE
>the animation on this other movie is bad because it's not Kyoani

>>157704739
Except, unlike my example, those things aren't self-contradctory.

>>157692396
I actually felt like watching kimi no na wa more than once, so i'm gonna have to give it to my boy shinkai

>>157700569
What's shitty about it? The animation is as smooth as any of the sakuga here, and this is a surrealistic comedy with literal vampires.

>>157705082
>>>/v/

>>157701802
Sorry you lost; better luck next time. Have a hug.

>>157704824
To be honest sales don't matter in most other shows made by other studios. You have shit like Naruto that sells fuckall discs but it's more succesful and popular than every Kyoani anime combined. You don't even have to go that far with mainstream anime. Reddit Zero light novels and merch are killing it at the moment, the franchise is huge, bigger than any recent Kyoani series, including Free and Chuu2 S1, despite the BDs not selling as much as either of those.

Kyoani either adapts their own unknown LNs that no one buys, or buys the anime rights for someone else's novel. If a KyoAni show flops in disc sales that's pretty much it.

>>157695667
Everything in the subway in Part 1 was unironically kino.

>>157704824
How aren't they self-contradictory?
>HOW CAN OTHER STUDIOS EVEN COMPETE

>th-the animation on this movie makes it a secret masterpiece

>>157705124
I like how you didn't answer my question. What's shitty about that scene?

>>157696960
I N F E R I O R I T Y

C O M P L E X


D E L U S I O N S

O F

G R A N D E U R

>>157697215
What's wrong with it? Apparently you cucks are the kino experts.

>>157705250
There's more revenue sources besides discs. Merchandise (KyoAni Shop) doesn't get reported nor do broadcast rights and such.

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>no Kyoani for the next 7-8 months

>>157705661
Good riddance.

>>157705428
Sha*t was a mistake. They should've died after Vampire Bund nearly killed them.

>>157705661
This is what true suffering is.

>>157705500
KyoAni shop merchandise is comprised of pins, keychains and posters, they may sell enough for 1 or 2 episodes worth of budget but I don't really see them making the big bucks like with a franchise like LoveLive or Macross for example.

>broadcast rights
Irrelevant with late night anime, Kyoani just as any other studio makes 0 profit from that. In the case of Kyoani whatever profit they make off of international and national broadcasting rights goes to ABC Asahi.

>>157705500
>They sell so much merch that they bought a new merch building
They can't keep getting away with it

>>157705661
What's worse is next up is a LN adaptation and sequels to bad stuff.

KnK was a rushed mess.

>>157705833
Only the first floor.

>>157705833
Movie building when?

>>157705334
fuck off crossboarder.

>>157705906
I'd rather they make a game building so I could get hired as a gaijin programmer

>>157706354
Prove I'm a crossboarder. And why don't you actually say what's bad about that scene of Shinobu biting Ragi's leg?

>>157705906
Do they really need a new building for that? Seems like a hassle.
Would love to see them work on a movie for more than 3 months, though.

>>157705880
Or the basement.

The two movies don't really have a similar vibe to them in any respect really.

KnK was a redemption story and Your Name was a star-crossed lovers story in a sense. Broad, but they both had a lot of elements to them.

Personally - and from what seems to be the aggregate opinion from many reviewers - KnK had an emotional backbone to it that was a lot stronger than Your name. The emotional themes in KnK were ones that a lot of the audience could really relate to; bullying, guilt, loneliness/isolation, self-loathing, desperation and fear, the longing to be accepted and loved. Those elements really were woven together into a story that had a unique spark to it with the characters and their situations and perspectives. The framework for all of this was solidly built with honesty as the main policy. The director wanted to drive home this story to the heart with these down-to-earth ideals and I think they pulled it off, I was impacted by the ending for sure.

Your Name was a much more fantastical movie - still tried to remain grounded - that delved into what people want to believe in, rather than what they're faced with everyday. Shinkai really wanted to make a movie that made people laugh for amusement, chuckle out of embarrassment and maybe cry with joy at some parts. The different timelines and the star-crossed lovers theme was a little magical but I think Shinkai made it comfortable in that we we're hoping all along it would turn out alright in the end.

Technical aspects for both movies were great. Your Name knocked it out of the park with pure, fantastic visuals, polished characters and settings, and KnK had beautiful character animations with realistic and immersive settings for the story. The music in KnK was a tad better with timings and choice of musicality, the OST in the finale was gripping and super-impactful.

I personally like KnK more but Your Name was great in it's own right.

>>157705286
Reading comprehension

>>157705729
Daily reminder that GODani is /a/'s official studio; Shart is /b/'s.

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>>157695041
What the fuck? this scene has some serious sexual undertones added to it, the original had none of this shit, this fight was supposed to be hard to watch instead of making you hard watching it.

>>157706610
We all know Yamada is a closet pervert

>>157706610
That's because you don't hear Shouya yelling at her and Shouko peeping out a "I'm trying my best!"

>>157706610
Watch it with sound.

>>157706569
Kyoanus should've died with Munto.

Violet whatever will probably kill them off though.

>>157706610
You're so fucked up

>>157706814
He said nervously for the millionth time.

>>157706610
It is hard to watch

>>157706922
name one kyoshit that isn't.

>>157695837
He meant it in a cheeky way that being top on MAL isn't the worst thing that could happen.

>>157706919
But they shoulder the risk as well as the reward.

One megaflop and they're dead.

>>157706945
Fuckin' epic

>>157696338
>Shinkai was mostly just afraid that if Kimi no na wa was hailed as a record-setting masterpiece, his following career as a director could be compromised.

This.

That burden weighs heavily on him. He isn't used to this amount of praise.

How much would Katachi have been if it had been animated by God's Shaft?

>>157707112
They have 4 upcoming movies to offset it if that happens.

>>157707153
how much what?

>>157707153
>better

>>157692396
The right because it has pretty much better everything overall. It's a movie telling a movie-length story. You can see it in the LN which is also pretty short. KnK movie feels like an adaptation of a manga so it feels dragged at places and with a payoff that is nowhere as powerful as Your Name.

>>157707153
I want shaftcucks to fuck off back to /b/.

Your Deen-tier meme studio is long past its prime and is only shilled by a handful of the type of hipster kiddies who think random splatters on a canvas are the artistic equivalent of Rembrandt or Da Vinci. Fortunately most anons (and audiences) are catching, and it won't be long before your massa Aniplex figures out A-1 is making them more money now and pulls your life support plug.

I don't know why /a/ obsesses so much about Kyoani. Guess you folks really love your seasonal shit.

is the manga of Kimi no Na Wa any good? does it add anything to the movie like the manga does for Koe no Katachi?

>>157707530
Some little extra scenes but other than that, not really.

If you want more, read Another Side: Earthbound.

>>157707508
If you look at Maiddragon threads, you'll understand.

Memes basically.

>>157707508
>kyoani
>seasonal
Ha, I wish.

>>157707530
It's not translated so who the fuck knows?

Translate it you faggots.

>>157707646
Same like SHAFT. They're a goldmine of le epic reaction faces and gifs.

>>157701802
She qt 3.14

And knk aoty

>>157707404
You forgot, Aniplex bribed theaters to not carry Katachi.