One Piece

>>156251895
It's the best arc since Impel Down, and while not all of BM's underlings are memorable, there are still more decent designs among them than among WB and marine fodder from Marineford or the gladiators

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let's be honest, who do you like better?
i remember putting dofla on a pedestal a few years ago but i've recently come to the conclusion that croc is really the best boy

>>156251895
did you just fucking shill your own art

>>156252030
doffy by far.

>>156251895
Best arc since the timeskip. It makes me dread that the Wano arc will be long as fuck

>>156252030
Doffy, i really want to see him in Impel Down laughing at the news

>>156251481
>Anything less than Big Mom's defeat doesn't make sense to me. Big Mom being alive means the following
>>Zeff is in danger from Big Mom
It was Judge, not Big Mom, who threatened to kill Zeff.

>>156252074
No?

>>156252030
Croc is still the best villain.

>>156251895
great designs and abilites.
But otherwise, no. prefer donquixote family and dressrosans. or dressrosians whatever you call them.

by the way, nice that we managed to not make a thread before the bump limit and page 9/10 for once.

>>156251895

I'd say yes if you count Zou as part of this arc. I don't really like the Vinsmokes and BM's crew needs some more fleshing out before I can decide how much I like them.

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ODA, WHERE'S MY NIGGA ZORO?

>>156251895

>cracker is a jobber
>smoothie is just fanservice: the character
>dogtooth has one of the character designs ever
>big mom will job
>jinbe will enter the crew
>sanji still hasn't done shit

This arc has been a huge disappointment. At least Capone Bege turned out to be a pretty cool character. Also, I like this Gastino guy.

>>156252277
thank god the drawing is really ugly and reeks of tumblr fujoshit

>>156252305
>dressrosans
Seriously? I think they're the most boring characters in the series.

>>156251895
Best underlings perhaps.
Doffy's were meh tier.

>>156252324
>>dogtooth has one of the character designs ever
edgiest? best? shittiest?

>>156252383
one of the, anon, one of the

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>>156251684
Well I never said they would die. Nor did I say they would be beaten. More like their powers would be negated to allow Luffy a chance at defeating Big Mom. All of this hypothesizing is meant to come up with a way where Luffy can defeat Big Mom in a way that won't seem that crazy of an asspull. The reason why I mention Nami is due to pic related. Even without Nami, Luffy is a rubber man who wasn't affected by Enel's lightning.

>>156252017
I don't expect a war for every yonkou. I feel like Oda has done a good job of weakening her forces and giving reinforcements to Luffy and co.

>>156252383
Edgiest. Sorry for the typo.

>>156252324
you are a disappointment.

>>156252030
When croc is smug its fun
When doffy is smug its gratuitous.

>>156252253
They specifically said people who don't attend Moms tea parties get a head in a box of someone they know including Zeff and the okamas.

>>156252030
Doflamingo's more entertaining but Croc had the better plan, crew, and long-term goals. Alabasta also overall brought out the best in the Straw Hats, whereas Dressrosa was a clusterfuck.

>>156252324
>I like this Gastino guy.

I like him too. It's a shame everyone treats him like shit.

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>>156251895
I like the new characters but every arc it seems more and more like Oda is getting amnesia the same way kubo did.
I want more exposition on previous characters rather than 40 new jobbers every arc.

Part of what made marineford so fucking amazing was that it brought back tons of familiar faces, gave us updates on all of their stories and revealed more about them as well.

So is pudding /ourgirl/ again ?

>>156252030

It's a tough decision. Croc was a more satisfying villain as a whole, but I really liked Doffy's backstory. If Oda didn't drop the ball with Doffy's fighting style he'd probably be the winner for me.

>>156252253
FI is still at risk.

Pudding will erase her memories though, so it'll all work out in the end.

>>156252030
Croc, easily. He and Buggy are still the best villains overall

>>156252542
She was never /ourgirl/. Go away, shipperfag.

Sanji is a pure man, and is going to die as a virgin.

>>156252588
>Buggy
>villain
Did you mean protagonist?

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>>156252542
She always was.

>>156252534
Marineford started this trend with all the Whitebeard shitters though

>>156252534
>the same way kubo did.
what did bleach man do? i dont read grim reaper chest hole wars

>>156252483
Luffy ate all of Big Mom's candy and told her to go fuck herself back on FI. If she was going to target Straw Hats' families she'd have done it by now, and after the shit Luffy, Jinbe, and Brook have pulled Sanji's not even on her radar anymore.

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Are you guys preparing a celebration for the Year of Jinbei's death?

>>156252365
i liked them.

It's weird, i feel like i was much more hyped for wci than most people here, but now i'm not sure what to think of it while the consensus here is mostly positive.
I'm not as negative as this guy >>156252324
but mildly disappointed so far, yeah. Well, the end is yet to come, so i stay optimistic.

>>156252652
Introduced 40 new characters every arc who all got tragic backstories as they failed to achieve anything then stopped being relevant immediately after.

>>156252746
>He's still going at it

>>156252534
Marineford was shitty. Oda started 29838392 fights and all of them ended off-screen.

I hope Oda don't do it again on the final war.

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>>156252746
>He forgot the spoiler tags

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>>156251895
WCI is the best arc post-timeskip imo, the settings and characters are amazing, especially Big Moms' children and their devil fruits. The Big Mom pirates are my favourite pirate crew yet and I hope they don't job so easily. I will feel so cheated if, after all the hyping up that Oda has done for the Yonko over all these years, they take down Big Mom in a few chapters. That would be the stupidest shit ever, especially since he seems to have taken so much time establishing her crew like he did with the Donquixote Family. I hope that Oda lets Big Mom and her children show the Strawhats why they are considered a Yonko-tier pirate crew, one of the four strongest pirate crews in One Piece, show off their abilities and defeat the Strawhats, and only then let Luffy win a round two.

>>156252789
Oda will do it again and you will like it

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>yrw Lord Oden is revealed to actually be alive

Wonder how Oda's gonna bullshit his way out of this one

>>156252576
Fishman Island pays its dues, Big Mom's insane but she's not going to destroy a place that produces her favourite candy.

>>156252754
I always knew Bleach was shit. How the hell did it got so popular will always remain a mystery to me.

>>156252652
He would hint at things with all the subtlety of a brick to the skull and then literally completely forget about it.
Most infamous time he did it was When he did an entire fight with a girl who previously had no affinity for anything supernatural. She gained powers during the fight and then was literally never mentioned again.

The next time she showed up everyone treated her like absolutely nothing had changed and she was still just a clueless human

>>156252668
They gave up all their gold to pay her off.

>>156252030
Doflamingo was absolutely awesome before his arc started, in his flashback, and after his arc ended. Crocodile on the other hand was killing it during his actual villain role. So, especially due to most of OP's villains' being dogshit tier, Crocodile definitely gets it.

>>156252876
Did we ever got a name for Big Mom's ship?

>>156252436
>All of this hypothesizing is meant to come up with a way where Luffy can defeat Big Mom in a way that won't seem that crazy of an asspull
It would be a huge asspull that Prometheus and Zeus are her main weapons and they can be dealt with simply by water and weather egg and that without them Big Mom can be taken out by Luffy and that during all this her entire crew isn't able to do anything about it and yet she's still considered a yonkou in the same league as Shanks, Whitebeard, and Kaido.

>>156252030
>boy
HAHAHAHaha more like boy(female) just wait until iva turn him into female again.

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>>156252321
Taking down Kaido lad be patient when luffy gets there Wano is all ready going to be SH turf.

>>156252030
Crocodile, after Dressrosa I don't want to see Doffy ever again.

>>156252668
But she can't target Brooks' friends; and family outside SHs...
because they're already DEAD!
YOHOHOHOHOHO!;_:

>>156252904
It started off pretty good, that shit occurred later.

>>156252976
The Candy Bowl

>>156252652
Imagine if Oda tried to give every single random who-gives-a-shit in Big Mom's crew a multi-chapter one-on-one fight.

>>156252746
>be a straw hat pirates member
>be beaten by a shichibukai and molest by an admiral
>after being completely humiliated, you decide to train for 2 years like a cuck just to impress your captain
>be overshadowed by some fat fuck fishman your captain fell in love with in the great war

The suffering of the secondary straw hat pirates never ends.

>>156253025
Luffy should be immune to fucking Zeus hes rubber.

>>156252542
She its going to sail along the fanboys club navy while yandere sanji from afar.

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>>156253071
>yfw Brook receives a gargantuan box with Laboon's head in it

>>156252030
I love croc and want to see him again but I really like doflamingo, I feel doflamingo was taken down a bit too early though which sucks.

We'll probably see both in the future again, probably more of croc though.

>>156253025
Then you think Luffy is just going to beat her up 1v1? That's more of an asspull.

Right now it's
>Katakuri, Smoothie, Mont D'or, Oven, Daifuku, Amande, Gallete, Tamago?
vs
>Sanji, Vinsmokes, Pedro, Carrot, Chopper, Bege (and his crew), and Gastino

Where's Caesar during all of this commotion? They sure could use him

>>156253151
If Luffy being immune to Zeus means he's able to beat Big Mom she doesn't deserve to be a fucking yonkou. Rubber isn't the only thing in the world that resists electricity and she shouldn't be one of the four emperors if that's all she has you twat.

>WCI has all these cool creative fruits but Wano will be just a load of generic zoans and artificial fruit shit

I'm willing to bet judge and the vinsmokes are SO retarded that they're going to think luffy/sanji are trying to screw up the wedding to screw the vinsmokes over so they will unironically side with big mom against sanji/strawhats

think about it, they're literally retarded enough to think big mom is on their side

I bet judge thinks one of the strawhats shot the priest too, he's that retarded

>>156253235
>I feel doflamingo was taken down a bit too early though which sucks.

The straw hats couldn't defeat the Yonko if they hadn't defeat the strongest shichibukai yet.

>>156253312
He's trapped in the candy lab trying to figure out how to escape, whilst his brother Gastino is molesting Brulee in mirror world.

>>156253249
Luffy's not going to beat her at all.

>>156253312
He's the one responsible for their escape exit

>>156253379
Yeah I agree with that, in my mind I had just overhyped doffy too much

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>>156253190
Do you seriously think some snot-nosed Big Mom assassins could take on Crocus?! You sure have to be right.

>>156253340
He knows Big Mom is insane and isn't trustworthy. That's why he gave Sanji to her, instead of the children he really loves.

But I don't think this arc can end without Sanji getting revenge on his family, so what you said is very plausible too.

>>156253410
>his brother Gastino
is this your headcanon? they look nothing alike

>>156253101
I first dropped the series when I learned the setting was in real life Japan and events that happened with the hollows directly affects the real world and Kubo tried his best to justify everything without the world knowing about the grim reapers and the hollows. That's some uncanny shit.

I picked it up again due to boredom and dropped it forever when the story becomes too predictable.

I peeked at a random chapter later just to know whats up and it fell to fanservice then I stopped caring about it.

>>156253438
It only just occurred to me that Crocus was Roger's Usopp.

>>156253438
>if you attack now, someone will die
>who?
>me.
gets me every time.

>>156253333
>Quads
Nice, anyways, the Tamatebako is one of the mysteries of this arc, i'm starting to think that it will either be their saving grace this arc, or it will be saved for a future arc against Big Mom again

>>156253410
>whilst his brother Gastino

Spee D. Reader

Gastino is Bege's brother.

>The whole cake island arc is supposed to be all about Sanji
>Brook is the star

Dont get me wrong. I'm hyped and all, but WHY?

>>156253576
>reading shitty niggastrem translations
It's blood borther! Blood brother! As if in not blood related.

>>156253410
If he's not going to beat Big Mom then what chance does he stand against Kaido? He's stronger than Big Mom and doesn't slightly rely on a sentient being like Zeus, Prometheus, and Napoleon.

>>156253610
Sanji will get his moment. He's the third most popular Strawhat, Oda won't abandon him.

He still won't be as cool as Brook though.

>>156253610
Well it kind of is about Sanji. We got to know of Sanji's past. We were introduced to 3 brothers, a sister, and a father. He's also getting married and the motivation for being on the island is to rescue Sanji.

There's a difference between the arc being about Sanji and the arc being about Sanji being a bad ass.

>>156253706
He's got an army at his back against Kaido. In the fight with Doflamingo he worked with Law. The fight against Kaido isn't going to be 1v1.

>>156253610
The afro.

>>156253610
Just wait until Sanji awakens his dormant Germa genes.

You did remember about them right?

what if ryuma is zoro's dad

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>>156253330

>generic

It's gonna be anything but generic, I bet Oda's going to highlight the weird side effects of SMILEs and we'll get see some Bloodborne level shit from the heavy hitters

>>156253806
I don't understand your logic. What makes you think Kaido won't have an army with him either? It's not like it's this huge army and Luffy vs Kaido and like 3 commanders. Kaido will have his own forces, and he's teaming up with the Shogun who more than likely has a shit ton of reinforcements because he's the fucking shogun. The shogun is the leader of the entire samurai clans. The Kozuki clan are the clan that's rebelling so their forces will be much smaller.

Who is going to fight against Kaido? Apparently Jinbe and Luffy isn't enough to take down Big Mom. What team will take down Kaido?

>>156253610

Brook needed a real purpose behind his soul stuff sooner or later.

>>156253878
>Sanji activates his snowflake genes while already showing jobtooth who's boss in his normal form
Woah Oda go easy on the asspull

>>156253706
The fight against Kaido isn't going to be a 1v1, expect Law and other supernovas to get in the fight

>>156254010
This. Oda didn't put Kidd, Hawkins, Drake and Apoo in there for nothing.

Hell, even Bege and Gastino may join in.

>>156252030

Croc had a better design and a far better story arc. Hell I liked his fights with Luffy better too.

Doflamingo had a better story.

Overall Crocodile was better for me.

>>156253982
Would Oda destroy Sanji's character and actually give him Germa's powers?

>>156254010
Zoros gonna solo kaido before they even get to wano

>>156253610
Brook is going to replace Sanji in the Monster Trio. You heard it here first.

>>156254010
Again, why do you assume he won't have forces to minimize the numbers against him? Right now Big Mom is without Cracker, Snack, Brulee, Pekoms, Bege, and Bobbins. All because of what has transpired in the arc thus far with Big Mom delegating. Kaido on the other hand still has his complete forces assuming Jack manages to make his way out of the sea. Kaido also has the Shogun's forces who vastly outnumber the forces Zoro, Kinemon, and Kanjuro are going to round up.

Not to mention that part of what makes Big Mom scary is Zeus, Prometheus, Napoleon, and apparently Caramel's picture (yet to really know the secret behind it). Kaido doesn't rely on such things and is supposed to be stronger. The reason why Luffy needs all those forces is because they're going to fight an army of Kaido's + the Shogun's samurai army. That's completely different from Big Mom. So I'm still struggling to see how Big Mom can't be beaten, but Kaido can. I feel like you guys are naive in thinking that Kaido is just going to be left alone because his commanders/underlings haven't been introduced yet.

>>156253946
Luffy needed Law to beat Doflamingo, Anon. My point is that Luffy will also use allies against Kaido, not just in a general sense like the gladiators vs the family, but against the man himself. Whether he can solo Big Mom has no real bearing on how things will go down with Oars 2.0

>What team will take down Kaido?
Well let's see we've got Luffy, the SHs, Law, Catdog, Kin'emon, Kanjuro, Raizo, Marco, Kidd and Killer, maybe Apoo and Hawkins.

Luffy's a given, add Zoro, Jinbe, and Sanji then pick any five others and throw in Zunisha when Momo figures out communication.

If Jinbe joins the crew, he's going to be objectively the worst Strawhat.

>>156254543
That's still Chopper

Were catdog really that strong? They cant even take down Jack which supposed to be Cracker tier.

>>156254314
No-one's saying that Kaido's going to be all alone you fuckpuppet. The point is there are going to be heavy-hitters helping Luffy fight Kaido directly, just like Luffy needed Law's help against Doflamingo, just like the entire crew banded together against Oars. And if Big Mom is able to be taken out by just two of them she doesn't deserve to be called a yonkou.

>>156254543
It's pretty much impossible to be worse than Robin

>>156254543
Robin exists

>>156254010
so Wano arc will have:

>Pirate-Samurai-Mink-Ninja Alliance
>more than 4 Supernovas and their crews
>WB's crews led by Marco
>Gangster Gastino
>The Revolutionaries might join too

vs.

>Shogun and his army
>Kaidou and his zoan army
>Drake and his crew

vs.

>Fujitora and Marines
>Edward Weevil might join too

that's a load of characters, I hope it won't become a convoluted mess like Dressrosa

>>156254407
Again, you're assuming those forces are outright going to participate in the fight against Kaido. Kaido has his own commanders. We don't even know how many commanders he has. We also don't know of the Shogun's forces who vastly outnumber the rebel forces Kinemon is rounding up.

You guys assume it's going to be 8 vs 1 because Oda has yet to introduce Kaido and the Shogun's forces. To me, it makes sense for Big Mom to be the Crocodile or Enel of the yonkous. Powerful foes where Luffy counters them before taking on a physical beast like Kaido who would have no such counter.

>>156254559
Worst Strawhat is either Robin or Franky. Robin is too much of a Mary sue and Franky is almost useless.

>>156254543
not when Usopp is still around

>>156254616
Scratchman is on Kaido's side too and on top of the artificial fruit user army there seem to be regular subordinate crews like the cyborg dude that Drake met

>>156254627
Wasn't Jack introduced as one out of three commanders or something?

>>156254587
>>156254602
>>156254691

What the fuck with all the hating on Robin? She's objectively the best character in the series.

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>>156254691
>Robin is too much of a Mary sue and Franky is almost useless.

>>156254691
>Franky is almost useless.
>Literally made the ship that allows their adventures to continue

Stupid marineford baby

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>>156253946
>and like 3 commanders

Jack is still underwater, anon.

>>156254616
I think drake will switch sides. Betrayal is his thing.

>>156254691
>built their ship
>fought for them before even joining
>All of Dressrosa
>Franky Shogan
>Pirate Docking 6
>useless

>>156254768
Your baby boner for one of the blandest and least interesting women the series doesn't make her a good character

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>>156254627
>You guys assume it's going to be 8 vs 1 because Oda has yet to introduce Kaido and the Shogun's forces.
No you fucking gimp, it's going to be 8 vs 1 because he's Kaido, he's the strongest creature in the world, he's the invulnerable beast, he's a monster who just won't fucking die. and no-one, not even Luffy, can take him alone. Yes he has commanders, they'll be dealt with beforehand. Just because he has allies doesn't mean everyone's going to gather up in a neat line and charge at each other and pick one opponent only and then once their fight ends they'll just say fuck it and go home.

>>156254579
I'm not saying Luffy is going to fight Kaido 1v1. I'm saying that Luffy has to beat Kaido, but if he can't beat Big Mom I don't see it happening. We know Big Mom can become vulnerable with Caramel's picture breaking according to Bege. We know Zeus is countered by Luffy because he's a rubber man. That's two huge obstacles out of the way.

>>156254759
You're right about that. Forgot about that for a second. So he has 1 more commander than Big Mom (because Snack and Cracker were defeated).

>>156254718
Fuck off Usopp has consistently shown himself as god of improvisation and the king of sucker punch for the straw hat crew.
Oda mentioned that Roger's skill is his improv, strategizing and luck which are what 90% what Usopp are made of.

>>156254844
Body horror powers are cool though

>>156252746
He poisoned/wounded himself fatally before the party, his lifespan can't be stolen because he has none left. He wanted to appear immune to Big Mom's power to draw attention and make the plan a success. He is 100% d-e-a-d.

>>156254893
Doesnt make her a good character or any less of a mary sue

>>156254559

Chopper would be better if he screamed a little less. He's at Beauty from Bobobo level with that shit.

>>156254564
They fought him to a standstill, which makes them CrackerJack-tier. They only lost because of Caesar's gas.

>>156254861
We'll agree to disagree. I think Big Mom is extremely powerful, but has been set up by Oda to be unlucky to be countered by Luffy and his current forces. I feel like she's going to make the perfect lead in for the Kaido fight.

>>156252030
Croc > Flamingo

Everything about croc is better than flamingo imo and I believe his back story will also be better (much better desu).

>>156254768
Stop thinking with your dick

>>156254819
Franky can make the ship for them taught Usopp how to maintain it, stay in water 7 and it'll still be in its current shape.
Also Franky was borderline useless on Barto's ship and even more useless when the crew traveled to WCI

>>156254759
>Scratchman is on Kaido's side too
Yeah, I forgot that he chickened out and betrayed Kidd.

>>156254837
I think so too, since he's a former marine, I bet he follows some kind of Justice code. And he still use his marine ship with inverted color too.

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>>156254994
>he was useless in a comedy scene and even more useless in that arc he wasn't in

>>156254691
>Franky is almost useless
I don't know if we are reading the same story.

>>156254768
she's really annoying because everything she does feels forced. Its better if she ditch the crew and go back to being evil

>>156254893
Commander Smoothie has the most body horror power of the current arc.

>>156255034
Doubt they change sides. Bet Kidd's relationship with them is completely dead after that.

>>156254994
>Ussop's repair skills being the equivalent to the shipwright who was taught under Tom
>And he was very useless in an arc he's not even in

huh

>>156254718
Ussop is one of the top strawhat and an amazing character.

>>156255112
Drake wasn't a part of Kidd's alliance, he entered Kaido's territory much earlier on his own, so him switching sides is still a possibility

>>156255095
She was never evil. It was clear from the start that there was something different about her because she was going behind Croc's back the entire time. You niggas just forget she saved Luffy? That she tried to give them a direct route to Alabasta?

Pudding better stay evil or this arc is shit.

Franky is like a better Ussop that doesn't suck.

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>marineford niggers unironically calling franky useless
He, Nami and Chopper are the most useful crew members

>>156254873
>We know Big Mom can become vulnerable with Caramel's picture breaking according to Bege
For five fucking seconds.
>We know Zeus is countered by Luffy because he's a rubber man
Zeus is still a storm cloud, meaning rain, meaning water; it might be able to wash him away in a flood, it might be able to envelop and drown him.

You know nothing.

Franky will shine in the eventual underworld arc

>>156255070
Both arcs require ship fairing and Franky is a ship guy.
If the strawhats are on a ship that's not the 1k sunny like barto's he's useless and pretty much a spare tire.
As of now with all the alliances the SH got and they have access to any ship they want, Franky and the 1k sunny aren't doing a good job staying relevant.

>>156255185

Without Usopp, One Piece just doesn't make any sense. There are way too many weird motherfuckers on the Grand Line for one of the Straw Hats not to be equally ridiculous.

Franky made Usopp useless. He's a better inventor, shipwright, stronger and isn't a pussy.

>>156255253
Franky and Usopp are top 3 Straw Hats for sure and you have bad taste

>>156255303
I should have known you were just shitposting

>>156252074
He clearly did

>>156255337
usopp is a better sniper

>>156254768
You must be 18+ to post on 4chan

>>156255199
She should stay in Alabasta then.

Franky is garbage because of his shitty new design. This is an objective truth.

>>156255034
>>156255112
Apoo may be a weird lanky faggot but he's still a supernova. I don't think he's going to settle for being Kaido's bitch.

>>156255337
Ussop literally saved Luffy from being TOY'D in Dressrosa

>>156255378
that's for sure, has franky ever hit anyone with weapons left?

>>156254844
>>156254992

>arguments 0

She has a great backstory, her character development arc was amazing and her ability to read poneglyphs will be very useful in the future.

Also, her fruit is awesome. She's an extremely underrated character.

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>this amount of marineford babies in this thread
REEEEE

>>156255409
I agree. Franky's redesign was a mistake. Oda should have kept it for his next robot-based manga, but I guess he realized he was going to draw One Piece until he dies.

>>156255286
So Zeus is going to just wet everyone in the fucking Venue including Katakuri, Smoothie, etc...? Everyone will be useless apart from Jinbe, Sanji, Pedro, Carrot, etc... Aka, the forces that aren't Big Mom's forces because her daughters and sons have devil fruits.

It's already been shown that Nami can use Big Mom's rain clouds. Nami flat out said it. Why can't she suddenly not use Zeus? It doesn't matter if it's sentient, it's still a rain cloud.

>>156255409
Usopp is the only character whose design was improved post-timeskip, Franky, Robin and Nami got much worse

>>156255353
>lol you r shitpost hurr
okay then faggot other than being a strictly 1k sunny ship mechanic show me other ways how Franky is important to the crew?
Do you fucking forgot that Orlombus offered Luffy his ship that's 10 times taller than a fucking giant

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are other female characters even trying??

>>156255409
Is there anyone who got a better redesign? I guess some of them are kinda neutral, but I don't think I like any better.

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>>156255487
>She's an extremely underrated character.

>>156255409
Yeah his old body was better, but his shogun form is top tier

>>156255527
Chopper got the worst of it.

I miss zoro, franky and law desu

Robin is not perfect but I'll take her over every single female character people try to push as next nakama any day

>>156255546
Nami if you like long hair

>>156255513
I just forgot

If Zeus produces water, that just makes Jinbe's life much easier. He'll be able to manipulate it and use it as a weapon. Say goodbye to Prometheus. It's so obvious Big Mom has been set up to be countered by Luffy's team.

>his favorite straw hat isn't nami
LOL

>>156252030
Croc was ultimate hype. Of course, reading it in one go instead of weekly may have contributed back then.

>>156255607
Chopper's was unavoidable

>>156255546
Franky didn't get a better redesign. He looked much better with his old hairstyle. The new one rarely includes his old hairstyle so it's 90% of the time worse.

>trying to rank characters according to some cold "objective" criteria of feats and usefulness instead of their personalities and how they play off of each other
>seriously hating any crewmember

Jesus fuck these threads get miserable between chapters

>>156255487
>backstory
Generic as fuck even for One Piece
>development arc
She's had absolutely zero development the entire series. She's a stagnant background character you just have a boner for
>ability to read poneglyphs
You mean her mary sue ability that makes her more special and important than anyone?
She's a terrible character overall and extremely overrated, especially by faggots like you

>>156255533
Other than building and maintaining the ship? He did 1/3 the work in Dressrosa for one

>>156255729
Franky's redesign was an insult. If Oda didn't have any good ideas, he shouldn't have done nothing.

>>156255655
I personally kind of liked having a range of female body types, so not really.

>>156255698
>has 2 forms that he uses to blend in
>Oda gets rid of both and just keeps him in cute mode 24/7
I don't mind that he made the base form "cuter" or whatever, but the rest was kinda dumb.

>>156255759
>You mean her mary sue ability that makes her more special and important than anyone?
>She's a terrible character overall and extremely overrated, especially by faggots like you
fuck the fuck off bitch
every strawhat has snowflake abilities too, nami was predicting cyclones since they entered the grand line

>>156255759
How is it generic? Her mom and her island were targeted for studying the poneglyphs. How is her development any worse than Sanji, Zoro, or Nami? Nami became able to trust pirates and fishman? Sanji still goes crazy for every girl. Zoro still trains his ass off, loses direction, sleeps, and likes sake. Robin became able to trust people and is now a SH despite her past. I don't see the huge difference between the characters development and hers.

>>156255850
he doesn't need to blend in because he already has friends
he himself said it, he'd rather be a giga gorilla if it means he is stronger to protect his friends than a human like thingy

>>156255738
Only because Robinfags get madder than anyone when anybody shits on her

>>156255851
>wahhhh stop making fun of my mommy
Dude, get over it. She's a shitty mary sue and more so than anyone else in this series

>>156255850
He didn't need to look human anymore because he finally has people who like him.

>>156255738
You just know half of them are the same people who'd want Monet or Marco or someone else nonsensical as part of the crew

>>156255759
I'm 100% sure you are a Zorofag

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>>156255487

She's more underutilized than underrated. This moment from Dressrosa was actually painful because it was a reminder of how cool she and her powers were back in Alabasta.

>>156255513
The point is that you have no fucking clue what Zeus is actually capable of and you're just wilfully ignoring all possibilities a sentient stormcloud entails because you saw it drop lightning once and therefore Luffy must be completely invincible against it. And your fucking defence for this position is that Big Mom would never endanger the lives of her allies to kill someone?

Nami can throw up some storm balls and drop a couple lightning bolts without having to prep her own cloud ahead of time. This doesn't fucking make her Enel.

>>156255932
Zero is like maybe 5th in my book

>>156255932
Probably just carrotfag

>>156255901
>>156255918
I understand and am fine with the narrative reasons for it, but he's not in his weird looking forms ever. He just walks around looking cute and nobody seems to really mind, which makes me think that his popularity as a cute mascot weighed into the decision a little.

>>156255924
I want Marco because he's cool as fuck, but I'm defending Robin. Robin is useful, and she had an important past. I don't see why she should be hated on.

Then again, I like all of the SH.

>>156255942
When was the last time she multiplied her eyes instead of limbs?

>>156255539
>those legs
oh my

>>156256013
No wonder you have such garbage opinion, you're the retard that thinks Marco is strong or will join the crew

Honestly, I think we might have enough Strawhats already. It's becoming pretty difficult to give them all things to do without splitting them up each arc as is.

>>156255539
Is she from the long leg or from the small head tribe?

>>156255945
It's better than you threatening Luffy with water when that only helps Luffy as Jinbe can use that water to fuck up Prometheus.

Face it nigger. Oda has set up Big Mom to be countered by Luffy. Let's go over this again

>Zeus cannot harm Luffy through lightning.
>If Zeus uses water, Jinbe can manipulate that water to negate Prometheus
>Nami can use Big Mom's rainclouds to generate lightning. Zeus is a raincloud.

It's obvious where this is going. Now that doesn't mean Luffy is just going to flat out beat Big Mom. But she sure as shit is more vulnerable against Luffy and co than against 99% of pirates that face her.

>>156256136
Long leg tribe mixed with Arbys crotch tribe

>>156256013

>implying you can like a character without shitting on some other character

get the fuck out

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>>156255539
>mother names me Smoothie
>as luck would have it, I later happen to get a Devil Fruit that allows me to make smoothies

>>156256082
Marco is a commander for WB. So yes I do believe he is strong. I think a lot of characters are strong as I'm not one of those faggots who use the term jobber nonstop.

>>156256246
It's pretty obvious BM gets them all these fruits matching their names on purpose

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>>156256275
>WB commander
>strong

>>156256246
>implying big mom doesn't wait their children ate a devil fruit in order to give them a name

Does anyone ever get afraid deep down that one of the shitty choices people have for nakama will actually happen? Monet is dead, but I was afraid of Rebecca for a little while at least, and I don't think I'll rest easy until they're burying Carrot.

So who is the captain of the Whitebeard Pirates now? Marco?

>>156256326
How many divisions are supposed to be able to go head to head with admirals? I definitely don't expect it of Curiel, which I also don't expect people who don't play the gacha game to remember his name.

>>156256082
Now we're hating on Marco too?

>>156256424
It's just the same 2-3 people, I think the majority is just indifferent to him

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Big Mom apparently is an impenetrable fortress. I wonder what attack Luffy can come up with that will take her down?

I'm hoping he draws inspiration from Elizabello II and makes a Gear version of the King's Punch using his body's rubber properties to lower the 1-hour warm-up time to a minute or less by just cycling through the process very quickly.

I wonder if Oda would be this good? It's said that the punch can take down a Yonkou, here's the perfect chance to put that shit to the test.

>>156256326
Akainu is strong too.

>>156256418
Oda stated all the commander are the same rank and therefore should all be about equal. The Whitebeard pirates are a prime example of people relying WAY too much on their devil fruits and captain to keep them alive

>>156256424
Always, he's pathetic

>>156256408
It's not technically called the Whitebeard Pirates any more, but he is the captain of the remnants.

>>156256183
>Now that doesn't mean Luffy is just going to flat out beat Big Mom
He has five goddamn seconds. He either flat out beats her or he doesn't beat her at all. So you're absoutely right, in five seconds Jinbe is going to extinguish the sun, Nami is going to stick her weather eggs into Zeus-senpai, and Luffy's going to beat Big Mom, and her entire crew's just gonna fall off the map, and they'll pat each other on the back and go face Kaido, because that isn't totally fucking retarded at all.

>>156256357
I'm still afraid that Momonosuke will join

>>156256408
I don't know if they officially elected a new captain, but it's pretty obvious that he's their leader.

>>156256335
She's Big Mom, she probably stuffs the DF into their mouth as soon as they pop out.

>>156256408
They split up after the payback war which is why Weevil is having to hunt them

>all those marinefordfags hating on Robin and Franky

Marineford was a mistake.

>>156256491
>2-3

literally just 1 repeating the same shit over and over

>>156256616
Robin was a mistake, Franky is a king among men

>>156256523
I'm not saying that the numbers particularly matter, but it certainly looked like Ace, Marco, Jozu, and Vista were kinda standouts. I don't think your analysis was right though. Marineford was a battle that was won before it was fought. The marines were just better prepared. It had nothing to do with devil fruits or power levels.

Crew members that's core to the SH
>Luffy
Captain, will of D. Son of Dragon etc.

>Zoro
Extremely hard hitter and extremely powerful guard to Luffy and the crew. Second in command in terms of strength.

>Usopp
Master strategist, improvisation, Long range attacker, technologist, and sucker punch extraordinaire.

>Nami
Pathfinder, weather expert, navigator, secondary strategist

>Chopper
Doctor, animal whisperer, decent Guard

>Sanji
Cook, decent Guard, secondary improvisor

Expendable Crew members
>Robin
Knows to read things written on rocks, meh guard, crew can just collect poneyglyph writings and show it to her later for translation. Literally using the SH for protection.

>Franky
Meh guard, only repairs his ship. Good technologist but only designs shit for himself. Literally joins the SH to advertise his stuff.

Temporary crew members.
>Brook
Brook only joins the SH because Luffy promised to reunite him with Laboon. Has no grand dreams. Luffy didnt told him to fuck off and tell him to jump on a random ship and go to twin capes because Luffy wanted a musician.
Decent guard, main entertainer. Possible next core crew member.

>>156256540
Would that even be that bad? Not that it would be good, but Carrot would actually ruin the series.

>>156252024
That's....actually true.

>>156256535
It's less retarded than Luffy not being able to beat Big Mom with all those counters Oda has set up, only to beat Kaido who has no such counters. And when I said flat out, I meant Luffy as is. For all we know he could awaken his devil fruit or some shit. Who the fuck knows? Maybe the poison actually weakens her somewhat to allow Luffy to beat her.

I'm going to trust those obvious counters in Luffy's favor than him just getting his ass beat then going to fight a stronger yonkou.

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>>156256679
You take that back.

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is rabbit meat good?

I hope Jinbe joining will stop all the next nakama waifufags for good

>>156256523
The WB pirates had to go out of their to try to get to Ace leaving them vulnerable. WB couldn't just fuck shit up with Ace in cuffs. He was a potential victim to WB's powers. The Marines had the advantage from the very start. If this was a flat out WB vs the Marines without the need to rescue Ace, the result could have been vastly different.

>>156256733
You're just going in circles repeating the same things here. Just do me a favour and remember this conversation. I'll remember it too. Then when you're completely wrong on every level please just reconsider your fucking life.

>>156256715
>The woman who will read the red poneglyphs to lead luffy to raftel
>The man who keeps the ship in top tier shape so it can handle anything on the way to raftel
>Expandable

I really want marineford kids to get out and return when you actually read the series.

>>156256715
*Possible next core crew member due to his DF ability so its possible he'll be main Recon.

>>156256523
>>156256523
>Oda stated all the commander are the same rank and therefore should all be about equal.

>implying equal in rank = equal in strength

hurrr

>>156256801
Pussy burger + salad tossing

>>156256715
you're a fucking faggot

>>156256838
it won't.
As soon, as we see the first cute female samurai in wano it will start all over again.

>>156256838
What if he dies?

Speaking of, we should get bets going on most likely to die this arc.

>>156256715
>usopp being more useful than Robin, who is the only person alive who can read poneglyphs, and Franky, a shipwright who learned from Tom himself

After WCI arc he's not even more useful than Brook.

Also, Zoro is just a strong guy who breaks things. There are tons of blokes in the ocean who could do his job.

Die, marineford nigger

>>156256739
You can go fuck yourself, underage faggot

>>156256680
The comments about relying on Devil fruits and Whitebeard were about their entire career as pirates. The commander's weren't even that strong or great during the war and that's when we saw them
>Marco
Shot a dozen time, punched by Garp, cuffed by someone weaker than pre-timeskip Sanji
>Jozu
Blocked Mohawk, strung up by Dodgy disarmed by Aokiji
>Vista
Fought Mihawk
>Ace
Died

>>156256715
Crew members that's core to the SH
>all of them

Expandable crew members
>SH grand fleet
>Carrot
>Jinbe

>>156256851
I'll remember too nigga. You're going to end up like the anti-jinbe fags when Big Mom gets her back blown out. Oda will have Big Mom lose.

>>156256496
BM being weaker than Barto's barriers makes me uneasy.

>>156256906
Not an argument

>>156256801
Eh depends on how you cook it. Very lean stuff.

>>156256955
>robin and franky are only useful in later arcs and franky is only useful if the sea to raftel is a bitch to cross
do you know what core crew member means faggot

>>156256950
no one

what do i win?

>>156256715
>Has no grand dreams
Brook and his former crew promised Laboon they would reach the very end of the Grand Line and come back over Reverse Mountain to see him again. Brook is carrying that weight.

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Marco and Vista are stronger than any of the Big Mom's commanders.

Prove me wrong if you can

>>156256956
A lot of what you described was from the element of surprise though. From the second Squard stabbed Whitebeard, the war was already won for the marines. They had too many advantages, and although WB had a few tricks, it wasn't nearly enough.

>>156256997
Well at least we can agree that Jinbe's a pretty cool guy. You're still a moron, though.

>>156257074

it means fucking nothing because it's the invention of an autistic powerlevel-obsessed manchild

>>156256865
Are there actually people that start at Marineford?

>>156257193
You would be genuinely surprised.

Theres also people that skip Skypeia.

>>156257141
Vista was the only Commander who did anything, god that was kinda sad. Jozu did good until he got Parasaito'd into a lil' bitch.

>>156257193

probably not many, it's just a buzzword for "person I disagree with"

>>156257080
I don't buy it. There are more death flags than people in attendance at the wedding.

>>156257074
If Robin don't read the fucking poneglyphs, and if Frank don't use his shipwright skills Luffy won't be able to become the pirate king

So they are way more important than the green-haired edgy swordsman, the shitty cook or the dick-nose sniper, you faggot.

>>156256865
his post is retarded but the way you can't shut up about "marineford kids" is pretty cringy

>>156257244
It's the only arc you can skip more than half of it and literally miss nothing. The rest is pretty good though

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damn carrot is stacked look at those titties

>>156257371
more meat for the stew

>>156257157
Pirates that have been sailing for that long shouldn't be so easily tricked and cheated by the marines unless they were overconfident, especially Squard which still doesn't make much sense

>>156257193
No, it's just a catchall insult for people to call others with opinions they don't like. It's the /opg/ version of cuck

as opposed to an "argument" born out of either baiting or lack of reading comprehension

>>156257141
Vista went toe-to-toe with Mihawk. Mihawk spars with Shanks. It's implied that Mihawk is still considerably stronger than Zoro, and Zoro took out two of Doflamingo's best without even trying. Vista's a real nigger.

>>156257193
Yes. If you read Impel Down and Marineford you can understand One Piece world fairly easily. You will miss all the good stuff from the first half, but you be able to understand what is going on.

>>156257371
Carrot and Pudding are NAKAMA

>>156257244
Why would anyone that started reading at marineford shit on Franky and Robin? Even I can tell the bullshit Robin did to save usopps ass at Skypea is Oda forcing the readers to understand how useful and not useless at all robin is.

>>156257305
Zoro is the only entirely expandable member now that Brook is doing the soul shit, Sanji will become entirely expandable as soon as someone else learns how to cook though

>>156257439
Fuck all you niggas. None of them are expandable.

>>156257412
two? who is the other one, monet?

>>156257193
i picked it up at marineford and thats how i got hooked

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>>156256850
he did try to destroy the platform up though. But the admirals blocked it casually.

>>156257468
>expandable
expendable? or are we talking some kind of fat fetish?

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>>156256850
Are you kidding nigger? WB tried to sink the whole marineford island with a tsunami

Also, this>>156257487

You guys are debating usefulness when Luffy will eventually get the One Piece regardless of anything.

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>>156252808
>>156252774
no bully

>>156257468
Franky is. Did you not see Coup de boo?

>>156253424
No, that's Gastino, retard.

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>>156257430
pudding will probably stay behind to lead the remainder of the big mom pirates

>>156257434
If anyone's wondering I started reading and following OP at Arlong Park. Robin and Franky have never felt useful to the crew for me.
Everytime they show up to do shit it always feels off and forced.

>>156257305
Zoro's necessary to deal with shit Luffy can't 'cause he's busy chasing the big bad. Imagine Dressrosa without Zoro. Pica kills Viola, Usopp, Kin'emon, and the king. Luffy wouldn't have been able to deal with that without losing his shit. Without Zoro at Thriller Bark Brook would have been destroyed and Sanji would have died protecting Luffy from Kuma. No Zoro at Whiskey Peak and no more Straw Hats.

I agree with you that Robin and Franky are important, but don't go downplaying the dragon's role here.

>>156257639
I doubt he expected that opening move to actually succeed when his own ship was right in the middle of the tsunami.

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>>156257654
Nani?

>Watch the 4kids version of OP up until the end of Alabasta
>Switch to Subbed around Thriller Bark
>Start the Manga around Impel Down

Eventually I went back and read/watched everything once I finished Marineford. I missed out on Water 7 and Ennies Lobby for so long, feelsbadman.

Whole Cake Island right now is in my top 3 Arcs.

If Luffy had his whole crew and his fleet right now Big Mom would have no chance to win.

Luffy is literally on Yonkou level already

>>156257692
Also to add further, I didnt read the past chapters that happened before Arlong park (how sanji got recruited, Usopp, nami? Jango etc. I dont remember these parts so much) until Onemanga was launched in 2005 or something.

>Kaido commanders
>Jack - Ancient Zoan Mammoth
>Drake - Ancient Zoan Trex
>Unnamed Girl - Ancient Zoan Sabertooth

>>156258265
>two mega fauna animals
>retarded t-rex
shut the fuck

>>156258265
You think drake is going to be one of the calamities? I figured he would be high up but not as high up as them

>>156258265
>X Drake
>commander

EL OH EL

>>156258265
>Jack the jobber

Poor Kaido, he will have to defeat everyone by himself

>>156258311
Jack hasn't really set the bar all that high.

>>156256956
Ace was fighting Akainu pretty equally until Akainu switched targets as a result.

>>156258406
If your goal was to kill yourself would you get capable fighters to defend you?

>>156258440
Kaido is really hard to kill, and so is his commander. Say what you want about Jack, but he has proven that he isn't easy to damage.

>>156258462
>tfw has a bunch of jobber on your crew
>still no one in the whole world is able to kill you

Being Kaido is suffering

Chopper became a vital addition to the crew during his epic fight alongside Usopp against Mr.4 and that Mole lady. That was truly one of the best fights in the whole of OP sad Oda can't come up with something on that caliber again.

>>156258441
>Ace was fighting Akainu pretty equally

Did you forget Ace let out a cry of pain in their first clash? He was getting wrecked.

>>156258440
>an admiral and the former fleet admiral couldn't defeat him except by tossing him in there ocean and on top of that he was unscathed.

>>156258498
Main problem with Jack is that we can't really tell how strong the Dog and Cat minks are although they seem to be right at or just below Admiral level.

>>156258440
He fought toe-to-toe with CatDog without taking a break. CatDog are both connected to Wano, super special home to the best nihongo warriors in the world even the marines don't dare go near, and they ran with Roger back in the day. Whilst the jury's still out on CatDog, if they're as hardcore as they say they are it's pretty impressive.

>>156258462
Kaido's goal is to destroy the world since he can't destroy himself and he needs capable people to make that happen. They're not there to defend him.

>>156258552
Oh wow, yea Luffy never had an opponent who made him feel pain and won. Are you baiting?

>>156258265
commanders are king, queen and jack

it's already confirmed

>>156258441
nah Akainu was clearly winning, but dunno why people like to say he got destroyed by Akainu, he just got his hand burned a lil

>>156258614
I just want a cutie sabertooth swordswoman speed demon so bad.

>All that sexual tension as her giant teeth grind against Zoro's mouth-sword

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>we're going to finally see Dragon fight in the Revolutionary arc after this

>>156252904
It's pretty good for the first 2/3rds, then it becomes absolute garbage.

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>>156257487
i want to see more banter between the admirals

>>156258694
>after this

>>156258597
Are you? The only piece of evidence that you can possibly have for them fighting equally is the sole page of Ace and Akainu throwing an attack at each other and Ace getting hurt as a result. Nothing from this sample size suggests they were fighting equally.

>>156258614
Wouldn't Kaido be King? Then the commanders would be Jack, Queen, and Ace

>>156258847
No, Kaido is emperor.

>>156258847
>kaido
>kaado
>card

>>156258807
Too bad, because all the fujoshi wants is more Sabo and Law. And Oda will totally obey them.

I still like Doflamingo as the best villain and Trebol was pretty cool

>>156258847
there was a note in oda's workroom that listed

kaido
king
queen
jack

X Drake is 10

>>156258075
He's right you know

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>>156258891
What the fuck?

>>156258951
>X
>10

GODA.

>>156258614
You forgot about Ace

>>156256246
>>156256307
>>156256607
Big Mom collects oddities and loves weird beings, so for once it's actually plausible she has several Devil Fruits in store and then names one of her many, many kid after the one she gives them. Probably the only time in the story where it's possible.

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>>156258891
Deepest lore

>>156259119
smoker is a son of big mom

you read it her first.

>>156259094
Its always been pronounced Diez. How have you not caught on?

>>156258821
Ace wasn't seriously harmed. His wounds in the exchange were superficial whereas for example Whitebeards first exchange with Akainu half his face was melted off. Fuck off with your crap bait.

>>156258821
Crocodile put a hook through Luffy's chest then Luffy beat him later that day.

Soon we'll finally know Big Mom's bounty.

>>156259149
Smoker was literally god tier that can one shot the SHs up until Oda pulled Haki out of his ass.

>>156258951
Too bad Ace died, he would have fit right in. :^)

>>156258821
Akainu directly states that the only reason Ace took any damage was because Magu Magu can burn Fire. As far as their hand to hand went, Ace was fine. He was only burned because he didnt expect he could be.

>>156259149
Jewelry Bonney, Perona, Hina, Coby, Fullbody and Reiju are also Big Mom's children

>>156259294
He will be very relevant in Wano seeing as Ace and Oars Jr. Have definitely visited.

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>>156259313
>As far as their hand to hand went, Ace was fine.

Ace hand to hand wasn't good enough to fight Blackbeard, let alone Akainu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkzsQeWszNc

>>156252327
When did tumblrinas get into One Piece? I don't remember seeing One Piece fanart out of the west even just a couple years ago.

Serious question: what is the likelihood that Dragon dies?

>>156259401
Shanks hand to hand wasn't good enough to fight Blackbeard either.

>>156259401
>Ace hand to hand wasn't good enough to fight Blackbeard
Neither was Shanks

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>>156252030
my nigga Croc all day

The dialogue between him and Luffy is top tier, it teaches you so much about the series as a whole and what it means for Luffy to actually become a fully flegded pirate.

"This is a fight between pirates" ie anything goes, whether it be using poison, or ganging up on someone wiht your whole crew. Similar to Shanks in chapter one with Lucky Roo straight up murdering the bandit.

"I will surpass you" - Luffy acknowledges he has a lot to learn but is willing to push himself past his obstacles and enemies every time, as he knows his path to become the Pirate King is nearly an impossible goal.

"You're just some dumb kid who came out of no where." - Croc is used to getting his shit kicked in by Whitebeard, not some no name child like Luffy.

Honestly Alabsta is a great arc when it comes to analyzing the series as a whole.

Jaya as well.

>>156259401
Was akainu ever stated to have better hand to hand combat than Blackbeard? Blackbeards weapon pre-df was a claw, he would be more skilled in hand to hand combat than someone that only used a df.

>>156259401
Blackbeard scarred Shanks with no devil fruit.
Akainu froze like a bitch after his magma did 0 damage to anyone in Shanks presence.

>>156259449
Big Mom

>>156253514
so what does that make buggy

>>156259527
Luffy's Roger.

>>156259246
Why do you say that?

>>156259527
luffy's incurable disease