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I think that “birdlime” is the identity of Katakuri’s devil fruit. It will make perfect sense IMO, because:

1. It falls under “natural” category
2. It comes from a plant named ilex integra aka “Mochi” tree
3. It is used as ingredient of many traditional foods in Asia (fits the food theme)
4. It has sticky characteristic
5. It is used to trap birds
6. It is proverbially sticky

What do you guys think?

ODA WHERE MY NIGGA ZORO AT?
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Zoro opening his Sharingan eye when?
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>>156264004
I honestly thought why the fuck is Katakuri using a sword. Zoro and Katakuri look really similar.
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Did Zoro cause the slow death of the series with his autist edgefag powerlevel shit?
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>>156264004
They already said it's the mochi mochi fruit. This i something the series has absolutely never played around with as a source of misinformation. Devil Fruits are what they're named.
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Can a jap send a letter to Odas SBS and ask him "if there is a part of the story you want to do over what would it be?"
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>>156264004
Yesterday it was Tar, today it's birdlime. Why can't it just be Starch? This is fucking retarded.

1. It falls under "natural" category
2. It is found in plants and tubers.
3. It is used as an ingredient in many foods (fits the food theme)
4. It has sticky characteristic
5&6. lolwut?
7. It's bonding is weakened by adding water.

It's all there. You guys are refusing to see the obvious.
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>>156264852
No that was Law.
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>>156264880
How is not being the pillar behind Luffy not vice-captainish? Luffy is the captain. Luffy has complete faith in his crewmates and will go through hell to protect them. He's also the strongest. Despite that, you have Usopp threatening to leave, jumping to conclusions when Luffy gets serious, etc...

Zoro backs him 100%. The one time Zoro was non-leaderish was back when Nami hadn't joined the crew 100% at Arlong Park. Luffy on the otherhand had 100% faith in Nami. That was failure as a leader that Zoro showed.

>>156264870
Usopp did realize he was wrong because Luffy did care about Merry. Luffy made a tough decision to have Merry replaced because he realized the lives of Usopp, Nami, Zoro, Sanji, Chopper, and Robin mattered. Sticking with Merry meant the lives of those would be in danger.

The bit with Chopper was for two reasons. One is for Chopper to grow mentally, and second is to have faith in your crewmates. No, it's not blind faith when Luffy has proven time and time again he will protect his crewmates and come out on top. Did Chopper really believe Luffy would become the pirate king? If he did then there would be no reason to believe he would lose to Foxy.
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Is the 1k sunny even important anymore
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>>156265217
Are you actually retarded?
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>>156265217
Only for travel and fighting and daily life
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>>156265182
Well, here's the thing, they literally don't care about any of your sources. Dude's a sanjifag that's completely irrational, whatever you could say wouldn't convince him. But that's just the opinion of some "zorofag" without sources, so called because he didn't agree with the statement "all Zoro is good for is strength."
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>>156265217
I get what are you saying, the last time th Sunny was featured proeminently was in FI
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Will brook live forever or is he gonna die as he would die naturally if was still a human ?
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>>156265182
Nami is easily 2nd in command
But Zoro is probably Vice-captain in name
Nami is practically the captain. Only when Luffy directly overrides her decision does she not have direct command of the other Strawhats.

Luffy only real cares about the title of captain not the job.
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Reminder that Gear 4th Luffy couldn't even beat one of big mom's flunkies without nami's help. But luffy is still going to get some bullshit zenkai boost and beat big mom because Oda is a hack who thinks birdcage is acceptable
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Do you guys remember when Zoro and Nami liked to drink a lot? What happened to that?
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>>156264852
No that was Oda.
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Why the fuck were Moriah's zombies weak to salt? Was this ever explained?
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>>156265713
Yes it was you fucking speed reader
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>>156265713
It's just fluff. Theres old superstitions salt protects you from undead because it is pure. Oda simply incorporated that old wives tale which he often does.
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>>156265523
Both of them still do, it's just not their most prominent gag. Hell, for Zoro it's still one of his big ones.
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>>156265713

In universe explanation is that salt contains the essence of the ocean because salt water.

Really though it's just thematic because plenty of superstitions revolve around salt
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX8sZPogKY8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkzsQeWszNc

First time I've actually looked forward to an anime episode since forever
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why did Franky get on the back of this slow ass climbing dragon thing instead of using his genius and assemble a super climber or something?
This is the time for him to shine and show everyone how useful he is yet Oda made him ride the fucking doodle dragon.
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ODA, WHERE'S MY NIGGA ZORO?
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>>156266014
It was Kanjuro's time to prove rescuing him was worth it.
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>>156265494
Nami is 2nd in command for day to day things. When Luffy and Usopp are messing around she'll snap some sense into them. She also is resilient on sea whenever there is weird weather. However, she also has a tendency to question Luffy when Luffy is serious. When Luffy is serious he gets to the meat of the problem and is right. That's why Sanji ends up agreeing with him. She is a bit of a softy and that can be a strength, but it can also be a weakness. In her case, she decided to believe Sanji's acting when Sanji insulted Luffy and beat Luffy. She decided to back up Usopp even though it was clear that Usopp was wrong and that Luffy would never abandon his crewmates. These are examples where she fails as a leader. She is often scared (for good reason considering how much powerful everyone is) and will run away at the first sign of danger. She decided to follow Enel even after seeing her crewmates get roasted. She often underestimates Luffy. She just did the same on WCI and wanted Luffy to back down. She did the same before Luffy had faced a Shichibukai. That's failure to be a pillar to Luffy.

Luffy might just care about the title of captain, but he's the guy who wants to be the Pirate King. He has the greatest ambition of all his crewmates. He is also the person who has never lost faith in his crewmates, is not afraid of stronger opponents, and will never abandon them. That's a captain. It's important for the crew members to never lose faith in each other, especially their captain. Zoro is a backbone for Luffy.
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>>156265065
Nah, ask if Law can take someone's dick out.
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>>156265523
WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE
Wasn't this guy banned from consuming alcohol until he mastered the black blades?
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>>156266013
MUST NOT BE TEMPTED TO WATCH BEFORE ARC IS FINISHED


halp
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>>156266013
I can already hear Big Mom's anime laugh
Mama mama mama
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>>156265069
I hope so, I am okay with food devil fruits as paramecia but as logia nah

Mochi as a substance is weird
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>>156266014
Climbing Zuhinsha was the perfect time for Oda to show the crew's post time skip individual competence. They all should make a bet who would reach the top first using each crew's ability.

-Luffy should climb using his DF
-Usopp should use his super growing plants to help him reach the top
-Robin should use her DF to create a large hand to climb it
-Franky should construct something that can climb super fast
-Zoro and Law should be the buttjokes and was forced to climb zou on the asmathic doodle dragon

I seriously don't get what's happening with Oda's writing.
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>>156266013
>animated Pudding
yes please
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>>156266438
They did all that in the voyage to Fishman Island.
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>>156266256
She didn't have much choice about following Enel. What was she going to do get toasted for no reason? It's not like she could stop him.
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When will Zeff come back?
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If Big mom got btfo this arc Brook stealing the poneygliph writings has essentially become pointless and a waste of ink.
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>>156266598
Yeah, but she ended up doing the same shit just a few moments later. She lucked out with Sanji and Usopp going to save her, but she did make the decision to not follow Enel after thinking about what he had done to her crewmates.
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>>156264004
Does it really matter? He will get offed in the next 10 chapters and just serves as means to hype Sanjis CoO.

>>156266352
Did the fix the padding already? Stretching one chapter into one episode made anime unwatchable for me.
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>>156266692
I wouldn't know as I haven't watched this arc yet. I'm waiting for it to end because I don't want to have to deal with it dragging on and waiting week after week.

The anime is a lot better when you can binge watch it. The music and voice acting is always top notch so I can't abandon it.
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>>156266613
Sanji would never call Zeff dad. He hates his dad.
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>>156266692
The last couple of episodes don't even cover a whole chapter each.
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>>156266760
This was made before the reveal
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>>156266438
They did that shit in Fishman Island you sperg lord. I don't want to see HEY MY NEW POWERS every fucking arc. Fuck off
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>>156266872
when the fuck did this happen?
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MUH DICK
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>>156266972
Thats one of the most graphic anime kisses I have ever seem. Gives me high hopes for the direction the series is going.

I know she was sucking poison out but she sucked that bottom lip good too.
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>>156266613
>>156266858
when did tumblr started reading one piece
i thought they cant stand it
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi-mANOuaYA

>reiju will never kiss you this way
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>>156266954
this is bait right?
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>>156267091
you should show some fucking proof next time faggot
Also you read through FI? the fuck?
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>>156266438
>asmathic
Hello ESL.
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HGNNN
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>>156264928
Just like Enel fruit is called the Rumble fruit.
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>>156267234
The tongues that these nip fucks draw are weird af.
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>>156267167
This ESL meme is something i've seen in the bnh threads or threads with a shitload of fujoshit or shipping cancer.
Just a reminder you fucking cancer, One Piece isn't for you
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>>156267017
One piece has a good following in tumblr
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>>156267234
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>>156267125
>Also you read through FI? the fuck?

Ok you reek of newfag after that quote. Please kindly GTFO
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>>156267234
Why does she even have the power to do this of all things? It seems almost random.
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>>156267467
>shitload of fujoshit or shipping cancer.
>shipping cancer
So it does belong in One Piece threads.
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>>156267767
Plot Plot no Mi. Gotta establish somehow that not all Vinsmokes are cunts.
On an unrelated note: Sengoku's English VA is dead.
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>>156267731
only tumblrniggers can survive reading through that piece of shit arc.
its worst than thriller bark and thriller bark is worse than that episode about that guy that got stuck in a chest.
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>>156267931
>he skips arcs
Yeah, you should fuck off.
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>>156267931
it's tumblr that skips arcs you nigger
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WHERE THE FUCK
IS MY NIGGA
DRAGON

Zoro is half-asleep you twerps
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>>156267931
Wrong.
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>>156267330
Enels fruit is called goro goro no mi and goro is the Japanese word for the sound of thunder.
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>>156267975
You wanna talk about FI or you wanna scream GTFO GTFO like a baby bitch all night long?
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>>156267234
this madman must be stopped
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>>156268023
You're lying to me Leaf
There is no Zoro post time skip
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>>156264004
Those things are also true of mochi, except the trapping birds part. It doesn't really change anything. It's still just a sticky goop made from a plant product. Regardless, I wouldn't count on the Logia thing panning out. Katakuri didn't do anything that Mr. 3, Magellan or Trebol couldn't.
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I'll post comics
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>>156268300
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>>156268328
3/5
Forgot to number
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colored manga translation update never ever
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>>156268144
Someone post Carrot nibbling his ear.
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>>156268355
4/5
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>>156268392
5/5
I want a koala/jinbe reunion pls oda
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>>156267931
>He's unironically thinks /a/ supports skipping arcs

This is why you are a newfag
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>>156268421
Dang, forgot pic
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>>156267931
Trying way too hard, faggot.
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>>156268446
You're only a spokesman of /a/ in your fucking head.
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>>156268535
I am the god of /a/

Pic very related
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>>156268535
You wanna take a headcount? because I don't support skipping arcs either, at least not for One Piece. You might be able to argue that it's a good idea in other series, but there usually isn't enough fluff to justify skipping unless you are an animeonlyfag or something.
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>that tumblr person that got mad when robin found that dumb dragon they used to climb the elephant cute
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>>156268535
Just stop shitposting
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>>156268639
Kek.

Seriously, for the ARMY OF EVIL they sure suck.
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>>156268671
>hatless chopper
somehow he looks even more effeminate than before.
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>>156268671
>>156268639
>>156268477
>>156268392
>>156268355
>>156268328
>>156268300
These are fucking atrocious
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>>156265504
It's hard to say what's going to happen when Big Mom freaks out and Caesar tries shooting her with the missile. Maybe she won't actually freak out for some reason. Maybe she will, but the missile won't work. Maybe she will and she takes out her crew as a result. Will Luffy grab Jinbe and leave now that the picture is broken or will he stay and fight? If they stay and fight, will other members of her crew/family show up to help other than the ones here? Will Pekoms show up? If a fullblown fight takes place, the whereabouts and condition of Snack and Cracker are also important, as we don't know for certain and they're both quite strong. A lot of the people who should be on Big Mom's side here don't look like the fighting type and we already know her followers are prone to defecting. Would Pudding defect? She has a gun that can pierce the Vinsmokes' tough skin. Would she turn it on Big Mom? We also know very little of the capabilities of all of the weird-looking people who we've seen in the army/crew scenes, like the bowler hat family or the pumpkin-head or the huge-headed guy; there's even a guy who kinda' looks like Cracker's Biscuit Knight; they're all at the wedding.
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>>156268643
The fishman arc is generally believed to be the arc that chased off lots of loyal readers of OP. We came back for Dressrosa. Stop changing the subject and submit the proof you inept.
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3
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>>156268789
Fishman wasn't as good as other One Piece arcs, but I'd take it over something like later chapters of bleach or naruto. Jojo's and One Piece are really the only Shonens that I read anymore. I dunno what you mean by proof, I'm just saying that it doesn't make any sense to skip arcs in One Piece, regardless of how shitty you think they are.
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5/5
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>>156268728
I-I'm trying
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>>156268882
>missing the chance to make fun of Kishis eye fetish
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Frobin is pure
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>>156268995
Please don't ship, I've been enjoying these recent threads free of that SaNafag
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>>156268789
Fishman Island is more wasted potential than an actually bad arc, especially if you read through it in one go.

Weaker than most of the others? Sure, but not bad per say.

Anyways, why should one submit proof of all of the Straw Hats showing off their new stuff when it takes place in the largest battle of the arc, and even has a color spread dedicated to it?

You could instead actually try to read the manga whose thread you're in. That would be a novel idea.
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>>156268995
I like this one
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>>156269063
Alrighty then
May I ask do you accept Urouge as your lord and savior
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>>156269169
SHARE
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>>156268090
but Enel doesn't use thunder
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>>156266629
I don't think or want Big Mom to go down here, but technically taking her out doesn't mean the rest of her forces are useless.

>>156266797
>>156266692
They were each 11 pages. It's been quite painful.

>>156268099
Fishman Island was the arc where they all showcased how they got stronger. Luffy showed Elephant Gun and Red Hawk, Sanji can fly, Robin can make clones, Franky actually has a laser now, Chopper doesn't need Rumble Balls anymore except for Monster Point which he can control, etc.
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>>156269275
and that's the logic for people thinking that katakuri doesn't use mochi
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So, at this point in the arc does anyone doubt that this will be the arc wherein the SHs take down their first emperor? Or is it still simply a simple infiltration arc wherein Sanji's saved and that's it - Big Mom's a problem in which they'll deal with on a later date... Because that's what a lot of you were saying towards the beginning of this arc.
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>>156268928
I read it right to left, therefore killing the punchline.
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>>156268995
Robin woudl never do that, its against her dignity
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>>156269414
I'm not super set in my opinion, but I think that both are valid predictions for how the arc will end.
On the side that Big Mom won't be eliminated, the idea is that a yonkou should be stronger than Big Mom has yet shown herself to be, and so she musn't be beaten here so that she can reveal her great power.
On the side that she will be defeated, the arguments are mostly that a pissed Big Mom would kill off as many of the friends of the straw hats as she could get her hands on, and for those characters being in danger, Big Mom can't be allowed to roam free after Luffy has pissed her off this much.

I really think it depends on how the fight works out, if it looks like a fight that will end in a satisfying conclusion, then the arc can end there, but if the fight gets too dire, then I would assume Luffy would back out and postpone to a later date.
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>>156269443
>Robin
>Dignity
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>>156269562
>Robin
>Docking
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>>156265713
Because REAL voodoo zombies could allegedly be cured by salt.
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>>156269562
>filename
heh
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>>156267931
Oho! Spee D. Reader! I've heard of your legend, but now we finally meet!
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>>156269553
>On the side that Big Mom won't be eliminated, the idea is that a yonkou should be stronger than Big Mom has yet shown herself to be, and so she musn't be beaten here so that she can reveal her great power.
This would make Roger, despite being very generic in lore up until now, a demigod. I believe that what makes a yonko powerful is more so their influence rather than pure power.

>If the fight gets too dire, then I would assume Luffy would back out and postpone to a later date.
I'll disagree with that simply because OP doesn't have many years left in it, and I think Oda wants to grant the story more exploration into the unknown before closing the story.
I think if Big Mom doesn't get BTFO in this arc then it'll be a draw, and she'll get BTFO sometime else down the line as a side note.
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>>156269060
I wonder if doffy has or would have had a soft spot for his mother
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>>156270242
Why do people overrate yonkos so much either way? We saw that the very strongest of them was about admiral level, which is obviously strong but not unbeatable.
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>>156270341
He had a soft spot for everyone, but his dad constantly fucking up and Rosinante betraying him changed his mind
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Ever since Law and the SHs kidnapped him he has been used and ordered around:
>Law used him as a bargaining chip with no intetion of actually freeing him.
>Sanji threatend to make his heart into pate if he didn't reverse the effects of the Koro poison in Zou.
>He was forced to help Chopper create antidotes for Koro.
>He was again used as bargaining chip when Sanji threatened to blow his brains out if Bege went after Nami, Chopper and Brook
>While Sanji got VIP treatment in Bege's ship, he was locked in a cage and Sanji non-chalantly gave Ceasars heart to Vito.
>He was ordered by BM to complete (or else) the gigantification reasearch in 2 weeks when he couldnt do it in years.
>Finally, he is forced to take part in BM's assasination ,something that even Bege thinks will most likely fail.
>All the meanwhile he gets bashed and physically trashed by the SH's, Law attributed his SMILE work to Vegapunk's discoveries, and everyone, even Doffy, has been f*king around with his extracted heart(his life) like he's not a human being.

We know that Ceasar thinks himself a genius, he also thinks very little of others and manipulates/tricks them without moral qualms, be they pirates or innocent children.

He thought he was untouchable: working for 2 Yonkos, protected by a shichibukai, stationed in a island that can't be logged. Plus he's a logia user.

100% Caesar is going to fuck the strawhats over, he's taken too much shit from them not to
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>>156270421
WB hold half of the marine power all alone
And he wasn't even in his prime state
He was sick, weaken and not determined to destroy everything
The powercreep is real
Oda fucked up with marineford
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>>156270453
>He had a soft spot for everyone
? first thing out of the holy land was "Dad where are the slaves I don't like work"
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>>156270523
So what'll be his eventual fate? Join Buggy?
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>>156270523
when is he going to fuck them up? because he doesn't have a whole lot of leverage as long as someone else holds his heart.
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>>156269594
What a no-fun cunt
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>>156270558
>WB hold half of the marine power all alone
The admirals stopped him from doing too much damage when it mattered and he failed to achieve his goal despite getting pretty strong extra support. Most of the shichibukai were either on his side or fucked around too, and all sans Moria and Crocodile were uninjured.

On the "landscape destroying side" they match him too, Kuzan and Akainu permanently fucked up the climate of an island.

>And he wasn't even in his prime state
Doesn't matter, he was the strongest "human" alive at that point. Kaido has potential to be stronger, hence the hype but Big Mom isn't on that level. If the picture + gas weaken her enough, it wouldn't be too shocking if Luffy wins after going all out or at least ties, so even further weakened BM can be backstabbed by someone from her family or something.

>>156270523
He was used and ordered around by Doffy and liked it.
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>>156270758
bege has his heart, not the strawhats, he can easily fuck over the strawhats

for example, he can help bege barely escape and then screw over the strawhats before they can escape

>>156270715
that's actually a very feasible option
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>>156270834
doflamingo seems like a chill boss in all honesty, doesn't expect anything unreasonable, gives you autonomy, a cute secretary, protection from more malicious groups like big mom who are completely unreasonable etc.
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>>156270882
>doesn't expect anything unreasonable
told the cute secretary to kill herself to kill some of his enemies.
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>>156270882
That's if you're accepted as part of his family. If you're just another member of his crew you're still fodder as far as he's concerned, and he'll cut you up if you fail or annoy him.
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>>156270882
Yeah, BM crew seems comically incompetent due their fear of her, while Doffy controlled his subordinates with his charisma but he did leave the human auction guy hand (Disco?) and didn't trust Cesar that much, hence sent Monet.

>>156270930
He asked her to. Even said please I think. Plus we got a panel of him being sad, he clearly cared.

Although given Monets fear of being killed, it's a bit confusing. Maybe Oda was undecided what to do with her and wanted to give her a better reason to follow him without making her seem too horrible when she comes back.
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>>156271020
just saying my list of reasonable demands does not include "die for me"
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>>156270242
>This would make Roger, despite being very generic in lore up until now, a demigod. I believe that what makes a yonko powerful is more so their influence rather than pure power.
This is a battle shounen, though. The Yonkou are always shown in these big, intimidating shots for a reason and it's not their "influence." It's to paint them as insurmountable. Also, the Edd War certainly makes Roger sound like someone who could kick an ass or two, and his first mate is capable of fighting off an Admiral. Garp and Whitebeard were his rivals, his son was Ace, his apprentice was Shanks -- a weakling wouldn't be surrounded by these people. Was he the strongest person in the world? If not, he was at least not far off. Whitebeard was the Strongest Man in the World, Kaidou is the Strongest Creature in the World, Shanks has a single ship and no territories that we know of but he's still capable of physically stopping Kaidou and the Marines from pursuing their enemies, and Blackbeard has been set up as the anti-Luffy and will no doubt be the final fight of the series. Why would Big Mom be any different?

>I'll disagree with that simply because OP doesn't have many years left in it
There's not much left to do when you consider that a lot of storylines are happening without the Straw Hats' involvement, meaning they don't need to be shown at all (eg. Reverie or Blackbeard and Weevil cleaning up the New World). There's probably 10 years left. Oda can easily finish up this arc without Big Mom going down, and then do:
>1 year in Wano
>2 years for the real Big Mom fight
>2 years for the real Kaidou fight
>1 year to find the last Red Poneglyph
>2 years for the war against the World Government
>2 years for the final fight against Blackbeard
Plenty of time. And I'm not implying those fights will take 2 years, but that's including the setup for the arcs and reaching new islands and so forth.
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Chapter 843: Vinsmoke Sanji
Chapter 348: Robin leaves the crew
Chapter 843: Sanji leaves the crew
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>>156271053
Isn't that what basically every general expects of his soldiers just with different wording? It's pretty reasonable given the circumstances and only looks bad when compared to Luffy who is an oddball and the hero.
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>>156271187
>reasonable
Not for me, but you do you. My employer rings me up and says "yo, kill yourself for my sake" I'm going to politely decline.
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>>156271142
>No Shanks Arc
>No Elbaf arc
>No Space arc

Anon at least 15 more years. Big Mom will be defeated this arc though, it doesn't make sense otherwise Sanji won't truly be free. That was the whole point of Luffy meeting with him and asking what he wants.
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>>156264004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkzsQeWszNc
Best girl singing!
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>>156270834
>On the "landscape destroying side" they match him too, Kuzan and Akainu permanently fucked up the climate of an island.
Over the course of 10 days.
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>>156271184
If Oda actually plans this kind of crap, that explains the pacing.
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>>156271217
It's ridiculous when compared to a normal employer of course but context and all.

>charismatic crime boss who wants to change the world saves you and your sis
>treats both of you well but gives you dangerous tasks in a dangerous world
>you totally want to see him succeed and he knows it
>he asks you to die to come closer to this goal
Monet didn't act any different than Zorro, Sanji or Robin. Only that Luffy didn't ask for it.

Besides, Luffy did something similar with his entire crew when he directly challenged the WG in Enies Lobbie and once again when he stomped the world noble. Hell, Luffy didn't even ask and ended it with "Sorry guys"
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>>156269202
THE
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>>156271245
>No Shanks Arc
Won't be one. Blackbeard will kill him and Luffy is too busy to go hang out with people.
>No Elbaf arc
It could be part of a different arc. Maybe that's where the final Red Poneglyph is. Or maybe it's where the real fight with Big Mom will be.
>No Space arc
That's never happening even if the series goes another 20 years. Luffy will defeat all of his enemies, find One Piece and become Pirate King. Outer space has nothing to do with it.

If you're looking for arcs where the Straw Hats stumble into weird places and get into crazy adventures, I'm sad to say that that's not really the series anymore. Ever since they've entered the New World, the series has been of a single mind of completing goals. It wouldn't make sense to defeat a Yonkou of all things and then be like, "Ah, well, let's go sailing in a random direction and see what kind of hijinks we get into next." They know what they need to find One Piece now and they're going for it.
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Woah

They even went in with the lewd spit.
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>>156271661
>Won't be one. Blackbeard will kill him and Luffy is too busy to go hang out with people.
With how certain people seem to be that this is the case, I almost want Shanks to kill Blackbeard offpanel now, and then ascend to the seat of the primary antagonist.
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>>156269275
Every logia is named after the sound their element makes (in the original Japanese at least), so it fits into the established rules
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>>156270834
>The admirals
Yes the THREE admirals
This is what a yonkou is about, only 1 need all the marine to be handle
That's why when Shanks came in the battle the fight stop, the marine couldn't have handle Shanks after WB
>On the "landscape destroying side" they match him too, Kuzan and Akainu permanently fucked up the climate of an island.
2 Admirals over an extend period of time VS WB in a glimpse of battle
WB could have sink Marineford in the blink of an eye if it wasn't for Ace being the objective
>Doesn't matter, he was the strongest "human" alive at that point
It was his title but it was revealed after that it wasn't true since a long time cause as I said, he was ill as fuck

Just be real man WB was much stronger than any admiral alive
You know it's true and he wasn't at his best
The actual Yonkou aren't in a weak state at all
They should at least hold up to WB level and even beyond him since they are in their prime

They are the strongest pirates, the top
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>>156271142
>The Yonkou are always shown in these big, intimidating shots for a reason and it's not their "influence." It's to paint them as insurmountable
But.. It very well could simply be their influence. Oda defies the shonen genre in being much more flippant than is typical, and this goes for the most important fights as well. Sure the yonko are strong, but are they ruling purely due to their strength? Nah, not really. It has more to do with their influence via personality. Ruling by strength alone has been shown again and again to NOT be the case for power in the OP universe. Even Luffy, despite all his brute strength, is better known for political and social influence (see youtube link:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNwSOFCBPd0

Other than that, your logic is sound. I still disagree about Big Mom though, I think that if this isn't the end of big mom's legacy, then Big Mom will later appear simply as a side note. It won't be another arc surrounding her in the least, it'll just be her getting taken out within a few chapters.
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>>156271741
>4/11(12)
>every

Anyways, what do you guys think Baron Tamago could possibly turn into after a chicken? His naming scheme implies he has one or two more evolutions, but he already goes from an egg, to a chick, to a fully grown chicken. Unless his final form is Marquis Chicken Dinner.
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>>156270558
In other words: the marines are useless
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>>156272095
Big Mom has influence BECAUSE of her strength. She easily smashed through a wall that Smoothie couldn't. She can control the weather and throws a miniature sun around. Her entire kingdom is covered in her homies. When she goes on a rampage, only giving her sweets can stop her. Her skin is supposedly impenetrable; so much so, that they need to destroy her most sentimental possession and THEN shoot her with missiles full of a specially made toxin, and storytelling 101 tells us that that alone is not going to take her down. Just one of her underlings would've killed Luffy if he didn't have access to his weakness. Even Roger didn't fight her. Brook tried fighting her and only got a single injury in - ON HER CLOUD.

She is strong. I don't know where all you anti-battle shounen, anti-powerlevel fags came from, but Big Mom and Kaidou have been hyped up; hyped up to be beaten by Luffy. When he's ready.
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Katakuri just uses the logia of the guy from the 4th movie.
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Why is it so hard for people to realize that yonkou aren't yonkou solely for their own strength but rather the allies and networks they have.

Luffy is basically half way to being a yonkou already with all the allies he's gathered.
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>>156272364
>be beaten by Luffy
sorry but the manlet brazilian isn't beat kaidou alone any time soon
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>>156272364
I don't think anybody is saying that she isn't strong, she obviously is. Just not strong enough to make it a problem if her part in the story ends here. Luffy has enough advantages on his side to make her beatable right now.
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>>156272364
> Even Roger didn't fight her. Brook tried fighting her and only got a single injury in - ON HER CLOUD.
Therefore Roger is weaker than a Yonko. The pirate king is weaker than a 1/4th of a predecessor. See where relying on rankings alone isn't an effective way of judging a character's power?

> Brook tried fighting her and only got a single injury in - ON HER CLOUD.
Not on her cloud, but Zeus (the sun) as well. And Brook was the first person to ever injure EITHER of the beings. Quite an accomplishment.

Big mom is obviously strong, but her strength pales in comparison to her influence. Her influence was initially possibly due to her strength, sure, but at this point the kingdom she's built is stronger than she herself is.
>I don't know where all you anti-battle shounen, anti-powerlevel fags came from
From reading One Piece... Attentively.
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>>156271696
I want Reiju to suck the life out of me.
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>>156272364
big meme is a jobber just like the rest of her jobbing family

luffy one shots her and then we move on to a REAL yonko
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That's a hot picture of Zoro if only Oda could draw like that irl.
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>>156272903
He probably could provided a month's worth of practice at most, but he's kind of busy producing the world's most popular manga instead.
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>>156272413
Like Shanks. Remember all those times we saw Shanks being aided by tons of pirate ships? Remember how he stopped the war by showing up with a ton of allies and using his connections? It's not like he just jumped in with his small crew and physically confronted the Marines. That'd be so cliche.

>>156272505
Maybe. Big Mom might be defeatable right now, utilizing all these ways of weakening her, but the protagonists are outnumbered and, even without Big Mom, weaker than the people surrounding them. This mission was originally supposed to be stealthy and they actually already achieved what they came for - Sanji and the Red Poneglyph - and they only agreed to fight Big Mom because Bege and Caesar, neither of whom Luffy likes, had a plan. We just saw how Kaidou, without any assistance, won against three Supernova crews. Oda has gone through the trouble of creating an army of engineered soldiers in a morally gray way that almost made Sanji sick -- and these soldiers aren't going to be used if Big Mom goes down here. Luffy has also said multiple times he wasn't planning on fighting Big Mom here, something he's never said about an arc villain before. Big Mom also no longer has a leash on Jinbe. She hasn't even opened the Tamatebako yet.

She could go down here, but if so, it's a pretty big waste of a character who has been hyped up as being a serious threat. Luffy right now doesn't have half the force he has awaiting Kaidou and this is someone who has consistently been portrayed in the exact same light.

>>156272526
>Therefore Roger is weaker than a Yonko.
>From reading One Piece... Attentively.
Well, I believe you read attentively, it's what happens to that information after that I'm skeptical of.
>Not on her cloud, but Zeus (the sun) as well.
You're right, it wasn't her cloud, it was the sun, but his name's Prometheus. Zeus and Napoleon were not injured.
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>>156268023

Fixed
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>>156273597
>No zoro in sight

good fix
saved
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>>156273340

He might have 2 million readers or whatever, but he will always be missing a very very important reader (me) until he draws hot Zoro. Or more Trafalgar.
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>>156272413
Luffy isn't even Warlord Level.

Can't even fight Dofla one one one.

Dofla had to have his guts shredded by Law and Luffy had to get help from Law and the Dressrosa fighters just to defeat Dofla.
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>>156272413
Kaidou took on 3 entire pirate crews by himself: Hawkins, Appo, and Kidd and they all got wrecked even though Kaidou was by himself.
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>>156273778
Define "Warlord Level".
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>>156273778
Luffy isn't even Warlord Level.
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>>156273823
the level at which a warlord resides
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>>156273823
>>156273829
Kuma could still bitchslap Luffy all the way out of the New World.
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>>156273839
So you're saying that Mihawk is on the same level as Gecko Moria and Buggy. hmm
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>>156266096
He's lost
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>>156273879
Mihawk is weaker than Buggy by leagues
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>>156273871
>implying all shichibukai have the same strength.

Titles are not power levels anon. Yes we know Doffy, Kuma, Hancock and Mihawk are among the stronger shichibukai.

But now Luffy has defated 3 shichibukai by himself or with his crew. Luffy has surpassed the shichibukai era and is now facing the Yonko.
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>>156273879
Mihawk was pretty disappointing in Marineford.

Jozu blocked his slash, Vista was able to counter Mihawk far too long, didn't use the flat side of his sword to hurt Buggy, etc

Meanwhile, Dofla stringes Jozu up and there was nothing Jozu could do about it.

Mihawk sent a slash toward Whitebeard yet that slash can't even cut diamond.
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>>156273960
Luffy isn't even Garp level. He doesn't deserve to face the Yonkou.
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>>156273965
Jozu's a little bitch. Whitebeard's crew is so massively underpowered compared to the other Yonkous
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>>156273981
jesus christ anon really now you're pulling the 'Garp level' out of your ass. Quit with the buzzwords.
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>>156266972
>>156267234
Ever thought about that if it was one of the girls that got kissed like that by some random guy people would probably riot in the streets.
But because it's "just" Luffy it's okay
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>>156267931
>Thriller Bark
>Bad
Fuck back to youre hardcore jojo threads would you?
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>>156273871
name one person he couldn't send flying around the world
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>>156272413
In the case of Shanks this is true, as most of his appearances in the New World he's had an army at his back. Whitebeard as well in the latter stages of life, where he was on life support. But both of these guys are pretty cool guys. Shanks is like Luffy, he doesn't fight for no reason and he has the complete trust of his crew (from everything we've seen anyway). Whitebeard was a surrogate father to his men and they loved him.

Kaido on the other hand is renowned solely for being an indestructible monster (to the point where Law's entire original plan for killing Doflamingo was to just piss Kaido off and aim him at Dressrosa) and Big Mom rules through fear alone and still has people with billion beli bounties terrified of her (and not just terrified of her reputation, but these are people who live on her island and know her first-hand).
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>>156273879
Yes, those three characters are all undeniably as strong as a Warlord
One Piece doesn't have Powerlevels, all it has are Ranks and titles and they are different things
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>>156265523
Fine, here you go
https://exhentai.org/g/821673/f2f77f7350/
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>>156273982
Where does this meme come from? Jozu is admiral level
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>>156274191
it comes from the fact that almost all of them jobbed at marineford
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>>156273982
From what we've seen of Big Mom's crew so far, maybe all of the Yonkos' crews are shit.
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>>156274129
Do One Piece fans like to troll each other or something?
Cause I thought only OP fans go into OP threads
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>>156274357
>Cause I thought only OP fans go into OP threads
who is trolling who here you pizza shit?
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>>156273965
Imagine you're Mihawk. You like swords and you spend your time sailing the seas in a coffin listening to emo metal and looking for people to fight. You become a warlord just so people will stop trying to arrest you and let you look for fights in peace. Then suddenly they call you up and make you come do some work. You don't wanna work. You wanna go back to your coffin and drink some wine and have a nap. But if you don't you'll have Sengoku up your ass, and that's just bothersome. So you go along and everyone's staring at you expecting you to do something, so you swing your sword around a little, then this weird fucking clown guy starts bothering you, and you fucking hate clowns. You could be at home right now training monkeys and you've gotta put up with this bullshit. Then some guy comes along fighting with swords and he's pretty good. You have someone to practice with and an excuse for why you're not gunning straight for Whitebeard and having to deal with the rest of his asshole kids. So you do your time, put in a good show so the marines won't get bitchy and tell your parents, and then you go home. Because you're Dracule Mihawk, and you ain't got time for this shit.
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>>156274390
anyone who says the snow bird is alive and will join
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>>156273965
Reminder that Mihawk now stands alone as the only character never to be injured throughout the whole of one piece.
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>>156272449
*the Kaidou
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>>156269276
>technically taking her out doesn't mean the rest of her forces are useless.
And the rest of the BM pirate remnants go after Luffy and get BTFO just like Marco did against BB.
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>>156274449
When was Boa injured? Or do flashback count too? In that case SBS should too and Mihawk is bleeding as a kid.
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>>156273597

better versh
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>>156270834
>even further weakened BM can be
can be defeated by Brook.
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>>156274096
Go eat shit shitposter.
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>>156271184
ch. 836 First sweet knight, 10th son cracker revealed.
ch. 836+10 = 2nd sweet knight 14th daughter smoothie revealed
ch. 846+14 = 3rd sweet knight 2nd son katakuri revealed.
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>>156274449
>>156274507
Pretty sure that is Sengoku.

No flashbacks ever showed Sengoku getting hurt. He also has no scars as well when even Garp has a scar.
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>>156273597
why does robin look like an evil miss clavel?
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>>156274449
Gold Roger was never injured either.
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>>156274627
Did you miss the part when he was stabbed by two spears?
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>those lips
>those sucking sounds
>that "it was delicious" expression at the end
I don't watch the anime but I think I'll start just for Reiju.
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>>156274641
He was executed, never injured :^)
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>>156274649
You might as well, its only 20 minutes per week
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>>156274410
Why didn't Mihawk just seek out Kizaru then?

I am sure Mihawk knows that Cutting Light is way more difficult than Cutting Diamond.

It could be a good goal.
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>>156274627
>>156274641
>>156274668
Nah, Gold Roger doesn't count because Oda said Garp and Roger beat each other to near death all the time.
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Will Shanks die?
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Do you think Raftel is populated?
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how the fuck did jozu jobbed to Kuzan and got his arms smashed even doffy can break out from being ice aged
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I don't understand how the Admirals are so severely underrated and underestimated.

Garp said Marines + Shichibukai = Yonko. He said yonko, not one of the yonko. So Marines and Shichibukai are meant to neutralize the threat from all four emperors. So each admiral (Fleet Admiral included) has to invariably be as strong as an emperor. This balances the emperors themselves. Garp, Mihawk, Doffy and 1 Admiral level VAs (Either Gion or Tokikake) can handle the first mates. High tier Shichibukai like Hancock, Kuma, Weevil and 1 Admiral level VA can handle the second commander. Top VAs handle the third commanders and fodder handles fodder. The balance is very obvious yet people downplay the admirals saying WB manhandled 3 admirals.
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>>156274756
There wouldn't really be a loss if Shanks died.

It sounds like Shanks is the NEET of the Yonkou.

Doesn't seem to control any territory and crew small enough to fit on a normal looking ship.

Not really a big loss if he died.

He isn't helping Marco not get BTFO by Blackbeard ether.

Doesn't seem like he did anything to Blackbeard in the timeskip either.

So yeah, who gives a fuck if Shanks died.
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>>156274822
>It sounds like Shanks is the NEET of the Yonkou.
he hangs out at Raftel, doesn't he? What's the point of controlling territory when you already won the game?
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>>156274756
everyone in one piece will eventually die anon, but no those characters won't kill shanks since kidd is in kaido's dungeon.
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>>156274843
This. Shanks feels like a waste of space. Kaidou and Big Mom don't know what the fuck One Piece is.

However, Shanks already knows and he doesn't seem to care about it.

He really is a NEET. I wonder how the rest of Shanks' crew feels about their NEET captain.
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>>156274808
>rating Hancock below Doffy
But why? Otherwise a good post.
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what if shanks is the strongest ynko even stronger than blackbeard and kaido
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>>156274899
WB didn't care either. Probably because OP is the journey or some piece of knowledge about the WG, so it's pretty irrelevant for Shanks.

>>156274930
Given how he doesn't seem to have a massive crew like the rest, it seems likely actually.
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I just had a look at the current state of the anime and the opening is like 90% luffy and crew fighting kaidou and jack and 10% stuff that actually happens.

Did somebody not tell the animators for the opening that none of this happens?
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>>156274808
>He said yonko, not one of the yonko
Are you sure? When whitebeard meet with shanks he mentioned any meeting between yonko was closely watched by the world government because 2 yonko consolidating power would upset the balance of power. If the combined marines + Shichibukai could beat 4 yonko why would they care about 2 joining together?
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Anyone thinks Shanks is kinda stupid.

Travels all the way to Whitebeard to tell Whitebeard to tell Ace to fuck off from searching from Blackbeard when Shanks could just go find Ace before he encounters Blackbeard, beat up Ace and then lock him up with seastone handcuffs, and maybe just keep Ace prisoner on Shanks' Island.

That way, Ace will be unable to look for Blackbeard.

This also means, Blackbeard won't have any chances to be accepted as a Warlord much less steal Whitebeard's fruit because Ace will end up becoming a permanent prisoner of the Shanks's crew.

In before, Shanks can't find Ace. Bullshit, Shanks has smart guys like Beckham. It would be easy to find Ace.
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>>156274808

WB was pretty much doomed.
Being huge just makes you an easy target, especially with impossible to kill logia admirals and bullets or cannonballs flying everywhere.

Considering shitbukai, a lot of people forget they were on the WB ''side'' as well

Jinbe: the worst offender, allied to the WB's and luffy's personal bodyguard
Croc: second worst offender started off attacking WB but then did nothing except be a complete pain in the ass to the marines
Hancock: attacks everything that isn't luffy
BB: shows up late, attacks everything as well

That makes 3 warlords who were actually on the marine side, with moria being a useless cunt because he can't do shit outside of his island or without power to steal.
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>>156274919
Doffy and Hancock are almost equal imo and honestly they're just interchangeable too. I just didn't want 2 admiral level vice admirals on the same level. The point, though, is that the forces balance out perfectly and one yonko can never achieve hegemony over the marines.
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>>156274987
Well, no need to risk it. There would be still massive damages for them. Besides, the marines know how unreliable shichibukai are.
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>>156275005
That goes against the whole freedom vibe from him. It's not his business to stop someone who wants to do something, telling their boss about it is all he can do.
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>>156275013
The fact Impel Down has so many famous pirates shows that the Marines do their job well.
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>>156275005

It wasn't just about ace.
Shanks bro'd up with Ace a while ago so he'd rather not see him dead.
Shanks was warning WB about Teach.
He said that WB was too cocky and blind to see Teach as a real threat, and that a war was pretty much imminent to come if he let ace attack teach and lose.

It's true that's he's pretty much a literally who now.
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>>156275013
I wonder what is the purpose of Commander Kong.

Remember he still looks younger than Garp and Sengoku even though Commander Kong is likely older than Roger and Whitebeard.

We never saw him command anything during Marineford yet he outranks Sengoku.
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>>156275005
That's fucking retarded. Shanks went to Whitebeard to warn him that his son was going to get himself killed as a courtesy to a former ally. He believes in the freedom of the sea and isn't about to go restricting that for other people, nor is he gonna start a war with Whitebeard over something that (ultimately) isn't his damn business.
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>>156271419
UROUGE
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>>156275296
If I was Shanks, somehow make a deal with Dofla, get Sugar to turn Ace into a toy, and that is that, no more Ace problems.
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>>156275157
maybe hes like brannew? brannew is lower ranked than smoker but he pulls bounties out of his ass

maybe kong is a secretary to the goroseis btu his rank in the marines is = axe hand morgan
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>>156266972
This must be a DF power right? The "superbody" explaination doesn't make sense
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>>156275387
If you were Shanks you'd have been killed in your sleep by Buggy back aboard Roger's ship.
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>>156275387
this actually works perfectly. why is sugar fucking op as fuck she can turn everyone heavily wanted to instantly be removed of all traces. it weird that doffy didnt use sugar abilities on himself to fuck with the marines
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>>156275477
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>>156275606
Probably because he doesn't trust her enough.
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>>156275606
>it weird that doffy didnt use sugar abilities on himself to fuck with the marines
I remember everyone assuming that's how the Doffy family would get away from Dressrosa
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>>156266323
he has it down
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>>156271142
I'm agreeing with your years allocation since they are pretty much the only things left, however, I'd like to get an arc where the SH is defeated period, like Aokiji or Kuma in Sabaody, if One Piece end without the SH get annihilated then the New World is not as dangerous as the series hyped it to be.
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>>156274822
>A single pirate crew is strong enough to be compared with actual empires

It's not like he applied for the title of Yonko, he was probably just sailing around getting drunk and at some point people started calling him an emperor
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>>156274987
I am sure. Here is the relevant panel from Vol. 45
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>>156275157
One Piece wikia headcanon stated that Kong commands the marine and cipher pol, maybe our world's equivalent of Ministry/Secretary of Defense, I think the wikia is right.
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>>156266096
Every thread
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>>156275157
Kong was Fleet Admiral before Sengoku.

He's the now the commander-in-chief of the WG's entire military forces.
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>>156264004
mochi is a natural japanese element just like folded steel you gaijin pig
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>>156264928
The names of the fruit can be misleading, especially since Oda will sometimes try to sneak in a pun, or be cheeky with them.

You're better off listening to when someone is described as a _______-human. Those have yet to lie, misinform or misdirect.
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what happens if akainu beat the shit out of a noble?
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>>156269641
Damn... DAMN, he was on top of the Luffy train before her.
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>>156276037
Kizaru will pulverize him.
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>>156275981
lmao, sure.
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Can you even send a noble to impel down? Why do they arrest Doffy for? If Doffy isnt a noble anymore how did he pulled the lol im not a shichi anymore but wait faggots i was just kidding because i got connections with Marejois and stuff?
Cant he use his connections now to free himself from impel down or maybe use his connections to serve on the 1st level or a pimped up comfy cell to protect him from Kaido?
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>>156276037
he would finish what he started
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>>156269414
Big Mom needs to die or pretty much everyone the Straw Hats ever associated with will die.
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Whats up with every single guy in OP so scared of Kaido like he's > Akainu? I wonder if Shanks is scared of him.
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>>156276187
how would killing big mom help, her massive network and top crew could still destroy all straw hat associates in retaliation
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Is Doffy stronger than Big Mom?
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>>156276264
no
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>>156275842
Quick reminder that wiki once stated that Doflamingo is dead after Kyros cut off his head
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>>156276251
>>156276264
has anyone ever showed fear to Big mom the same like Kaido? I dont remember Doffy pissing his pants at Big mom.
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>>156276144
He was able to pull his shit off because he knew a "secret," he has plenty of political connections and he's tough/mobile enough that if the government moved against him in force, they couldn't be sure they'd get him before he got away and then exposed the secret out of spite.

It's implied that his Celestial Dragon heritage is related to the "secret" in some way.

Doflamingo is no longer recognized by the other CDs. He was arrested for being the cause of a massive attack against World Government aligned civilians. His connections are generally with the underground, and with various nations. As long as he's "silenced" the people who have the legal power/authority to help him out, won't bother.

He'll be getting the same torture treatment other high-level prisoners deal with.
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>>156266972
LuRe will be canon soon
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>>156276351
Dangerous prisoners don't get that much torture though. The shit guys on the top floors get tortured a lot but the big boys down on the lowest level seem to just sit in their cells the whole time.
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If I were Doffy I'll marry Sugar and make her my top commander just look at what she can do with one touch.
Kaido's buttboys got nothing on Sugar, Jack can come and try to wreck my shit I'll just strap Sugar somewhere on my body and make her touch the jobbing faggot and turn him into a toy then make Gladius turn him into sawdust.
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>>156276144
The way I got it, Doffy just knows too much and is important for their own business, and the nobles see each other as a better race, so even one who isn't one in title will get privileged treatment.

>Cant he use his connections now to free himself from impel down or maybe use his connections to serve on the 1st level or a pimped up comfy cell to protect him from Kaido?
Probably. Would love to see him again, besides we still didn't get to see his fucking eyes, so I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back like Croco boy.

>>156276241
Shanks probably stopped him by offering him good alcohol.
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>>156276351
doffy is being taken to mariejois for execution
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>>156276284
he wasn't really that closely connected to her. I don't think he mentioned her name even once.
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>>156276279
It said Sabo was dead until Dressrosa too even though it was obvious he wasn't
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>>156275157
He's commander in chief of the military forces of the World Government.

In addition to the Marines, this would also presumably include Cipher Pol and the guards at Impel Down. In cases of war, he's probably also in charge of the military forces of various World Government member nations. Presumably his authority also extends over various peace keeping organizations in smaller settlements as well. Genzo had a uniform, so that might imply a number of similar sheriffs.

Theoretically, Kong should also have authority over the Shichibukai as well. But considering how rarely they are called on, it might just be a formality for the most part.
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>>156276372
You misspelled ZoRe :^)
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>>156276410
Pudding's devil fruits is the stupidest bullshit in a arc full of stupid bullshit in series full of stupid bullshit. gj Oda
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>>156276284
Wasn't all the "Doffy is scared of Kaido" just Law edging him?

Obviously he wouldn't want to fight him if he can avoid it but his main interest with Kaido was advancing his own plan.
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>>156276410
kaido would forget jack even existed too
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>>156276493
>>156276279
That's how objective wikis work retards. They don't go by fan theories that may or may not be right.

Oda clear as day was trying to make the audience believe they were dead in both cases. Whether or not we believed it is irrelevant. The story told us they died and that's what the wiki recorded.
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>>156276557
Law is a fucking retard. Don't believe what Law says.

Law has zero idea of Kaidou's personality. Kaidou did not sound mad at Dofla at all. More like he was pissed the Marines ruined his plans of a successful suicide which was why he was gonna rescue Dofla. Kaidou still wants Dofla's goods and weapons and other shit. There was zero indication Kaidou wanted to kill Dofla.

Besides, Law is fucking stupid. Dofla wants to destroy the world, especially the World Nobles. Everyone knows messing with the nobles means Kizaru gets on your ass.

You think someone who wants to destroy the world will be scared of a Yonkou?

Law simply doesn't hang out enough with Dofla much less Kaidou to be saying shit like Dofla is afraid of Kaidou or Kaidou's feelings about Dofla.

Fuck Law.
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It's just a general sticky substance, the logia version of Trebol's fruit
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>>156276640
Doffyfags honestly think Doffy is Yonko level AHAAHAHAHA
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>>156276284
>I dont remember Doffy pissing his pants at Big mom
Dressrosa would probably have counted as Kaidos territory by extension, Doffy was somewhat protected by Kaido
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>>156276605
>Oda was clear as day trying to make the audience believe they were dead
He did a great job of that by showing Sabo being picked up by Dragon and showing the 3 sake cups

>Oda wanted us to believe Doffy actually got decapitated by a literally who before Luffy even fought him
Shut the fuck up, retard
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>>156276721
Lawfags thinking Law isn't full of shit all the time.

Dofla is Yonkou level. More ambition than Big Mom.

Doesn't look like Big Mom ever tried to fuck with the World Nobles.

She never attempted political marriages with the Celestial Dragons. She knows she is commoner trash after all.
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>>156276805
Doffy is first mate level. Any of the Yonko would cream him akin to getting punched around like a ragdoll by G4 Luffy.
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>>156276742
Why would it? Doffy isn't Kaidos subordinate and his dealings as Joker are secret to most.

BM had no reasons not to attack it sans lack of candy or not wanting to fuck with Doffy.

>>156276721
He was perfectly cool to fight with two different admirals. The biggest difference between him and the other yonko are the level of subordinates.
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>>156274149

>Nami has Sex
>Doesn't demand a billion beri in payment afterwards

I can't get jiggy with dis shit
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>>156276770
The chapter itself does not show Dragon picking up Sabo. It shows Sabo's boat being blown to nothing and Dragon watching in disgust.

And like I said, it being a "literally who" who the fans know couldn't kill Doffy is still irrelevant. The story showed Doffy getting fucking decapitated and Oda didn't show a a real tangible hint that it went down any other way. Therefore it's an objective wiki's duty to ignore fan theories that he was still alive and record that the story itself showed his fucking head coming off.

Way to miss the point completely.
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>>156275441
As someone who is inherently superior for reading the manga i can tell you: No, they can swim.
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>>156276835
Seeing how he casually handled Aokiji, something not even Luffy could do. Dofla would be a better Yonkou than Blackbeard.

Dofla never ran away from an Admiral. Meanwhile, Blackbeard starts leaving the moment he hears Akainu's name.
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>>156276640

Doffy was pretty shaken at the prospect of angering Kaido. Later on he mocks Law for going after him personally instead of sticking with the plan to pit Kaido against him. We do't need to believe Law alone when Doffy himself clearly acknowledged that the plan would have worked.
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>>156276926
I really don't think you could get more wrong. Are you really this mad that I made fun of your wiki entries?
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>>156276714
Trebol is liquidy slime (that also explodes for some reason). Katakuri like hardened molasses.

If anything it's closer to the logia version of Luffy's fruit than anything and Trebol was just a Caribou rehashed fruit.

WCI's fruits have been a big step up from Dressrosa's bullshit plot fruits imo.
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>>156274149
Sanji is such a cuck christ
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>>156276989
He fled instead of confronting Kuzan. Dude you know you're baiting.
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>>156277022
I just want one less person in the world to be less ignorant about the wiki/fan theory relationship in fiction so we might see a few less dense posts like yours here.
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>>156277091
You should keep getting mad about insignificant things on the internet, it's working great for you
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>>156277147
>realize you're wrong
>"Haha you're so mad!"
anon...
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>>156265217
Its a easter egg only.
Sani-Go
San Ni Go
325

Gomu - 5,6/56
Hito - 1,10/110
Hana - 8,7/87
Yomi - 4,3//43

56 + 110 + 87 + 43 = 296
325 -296 = 29

29 = 2,9
So, a DF that matches those numbers should fall into the Strawhat crew.
And in that order, 2 and 9.
So Nikyu or Yuki.
Paw or Snow.

That is the importance of the ship.
It is a code Oda applies and also considering that Franky wants this to be the ship to sail its crew to Raftel.
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>>156276989
Aokiji stands behind him silently as an obvious threat, then Doffy tries to kill Smoker and gets frozen. He eventually breaks free of the ice, with Aokiji still just standing there silently, then he leaves, letting Smoker live, because he knows he's completely outclassed. That's running away from a (former) Admiral. The only reason he survived the encounter was because Kuzan let him.
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>>156277174
There's nothing to be "wrong" about. You just got upset that people pointed out mistakes in the wiki and your butthurt reactions are just funny at this point
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>>156277241
This is getting into shitposting territory anon.
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>>156277268
We could say the same for your posts
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>>156275789
It's like you motherfuckers don't remember what biofeedback is.
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>>156277210
Nice excuse. Aokiji froze everything in Dofla. He didn't intend to let Dofla live.

And you forgot that Dofla still needed to meet with CP0 since Law gave him a deadline and Dofla needed to manipulate the news.

If Law never gave Dofla a deadline, Dofla would have been perfectly happy to fight with Aokiji for several days just like Akainu did.
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>>156277210
Doffy had no time to mess with an admiral. He attacked Fuji unprovoked like it's nothing too. The guy doesn't give a fuck.
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>>156277308
>he didnt intend to let Dofla live
>let's him go
>didnt intend to let him live
Hmmmmm.
Activates my almonds that does indeed.
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OFFICIAL /a/ APPROVED STRAWHAT POWER RANKING

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FRANKY
ROBIN
USOPP
BROOK
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>>156277308
No you're the one making excuses.
>He didn't run away, he just had an appointment he couldn't miss!
He took time out of his very busy schedule to go there to kill Smoker and the others, and he didn't even kill Smoker all because Aokiji just stood there and watched. If he can fight Kuzan on even terms he can kill a guy before escaping, but he didn't because he couldn't.
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>>156277210
Ice time is one of Kuzan's most powerful attacks and it's OHKO.
If Doffy can shrug it off without breaking a sweat imagine what happens if the battle is prolonged.
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>>156277353
I'm pretty sure Kuzan > Fujitora.
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>>156277399
>BROOK
>that low
he's top 3 just because of his madman spirit
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Urouge is prime strawhat material wish he'd lose his crew.
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>>156277412
>without breaking a sweat
But he did break a sweat. Go watch the scene, he spends a solid minute catching his breath afterwards.
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Kuzan is probably stronger than Doffy, but Doffy leaving doesn't mean he ran away. There was just no point in fighting Kuzan all out because of fucking Smoker.
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>>156277399
Usopp is the weakest anon. Oda said he always will be.
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was this Kaido?
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>>156277472
luffy will go out of his way and kill urouges crew in order to recruit him
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>>156277472
Urouge will become a yonko before luffy
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>>156277511
No, that's one of the his commanders who wasn't shown yet.
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>>156277430
Yeah probably but both are still admirals, and unless there is a massive twist they should be relatively close in power to each other. Not necessary as close as Kuzan/Akainu but close enough to make the fight dangerous for both.

A guy not afraid to attack an admiral (despite the fucked up situation on Dress Rosa) or whose biggest worry about Impel Down is boredom isn't going to shit his pants over yonko.
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>>156277488
>watch the scene

I hope this isn't what you're basing your argument off of.
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>>156277504
>leaving doesn't mean he ran away
I guess Blackbeard didn't run away from Akainu. Luffy didn't run away from Magellan, he just left.
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>>156266096
Can't wait for him to actually have to go 100% in wano, he has one of the highest madman instincts in the crew
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>>156277592
Mihawk not fighting Shanks means he ran away right? Shiki not fighting Whitebeard and Whitebeard not fighting Shanks means everyone ran away, right? Did Luffy also ran away from Blackbeard in Impol Down out of fear? He must have following your logic.
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>>156276640
Sheepshead was in good form last time we saw him. I'm sure Kaido will kiss Doffy on the cheek next time they see each other.
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>>156270523
no caesar is gonna join the crew
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>baby 5 is paramecia despite all this shit
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>>156277679
Awakened Paracemia.
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>>156277549
Fine here's the page. This is Doflamingo not breaking a sweat.
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>>156277549
Retard. This scene is not there to show how great Doffy is. That's a bitchslap. If Aokiji wanted he could've killed him right there,, he's lucky Aokiji din't want him dead. He gaves his back to an angered Doflamingo. You guys are ridiculous.
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>>156277698
As an added bonus here's Doflamingo admitting that if he can't kill Smoker he has to change his plans, proving that it is actually significant to him but he had to let it go because Kuzan stood in his way.
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>>156277753
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>>156277592
BB and Luffy explicitly stated that they are running away. Kuzan warned Doffy not to attack Smoker and Doffy proceeded to attack. Then he realized that he needed to fight him and didn't want to waste time, so just walked away laughing.

Then he proceeds laughing on the way to Dressrosa while Kuzan started panicking over Smoker.
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>>156277511
>>156277540
I'm pretty sure it's Sheepshead.
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>>156277679
Devil fruits are all over the place, the classification system is shit
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Usopp has seastones in his inventory?
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>>156277860
Different Horns. Well maybe the shadow was an early concept of him. Would be a bummer though.
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>>156277871
he got them in the laboratory
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>>156277632
Mihawk was never fighting Shanks to begin with, that's a ridiculous comparison.

And yes Luffy did run away from Blackbeard and his crew at Impel Down. He wasn't afraid, but knew he wouldn't win. Nobody said Doflamingo was afraid of Aokiji, but he knew he wasn't on the same level.
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>>156277828
Yeah he's clearly not angry about it >>156277825
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>>156277898
>He wasn't afraid, but knew he wouldn't win.
Nah, he cared more about Ace than BB. If Ace wasn't dying, he'd fight BB then and there.
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>>156277888
There was someone, during the "royals getting ready for Revelry" chapter that looked awfully similar.
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>>156277888
Silhouettes almost never match perfectly. Remember Kanjuuro and his volume changes? Especially that he didn't apppear in the manga until 3-4 years later. It's close enough fr me to assume it's Sheapshead until confirmed otherwise.
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If Big Mom falls here than Luffy's friends that will assemble at the reverie breaking with the WG would be a good context for Luffy himself to become a Yonkou. Seeing how Oda seems to be """rushing""" the story too and all that.
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>>156278072
i'm fairly sure sheepshead would be on zou during the events on punk hazard
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>>156277308
>Dofla would have been perfectly happy to fight with Aokiji
G4 Luffy destroyed Doffy like he was nothing. Doffy would've been just as outclassed against Kuzan. Kuzan literally fought Akainu head on for 10 days. He's insanely strong.
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>>156278250
Doffyfags are a plague.
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How does Brook know Luffy's father?
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>>156278250
G4 Luffy who needed the help of the entire island to hide and keep Doffy busy and Doffy with ruptured organs?
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>>156278344
it was all over the newspapers after marineford
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>>156278150
Becoming a Yonkou isn't just about beating the previous one. It's about territories, allies and general influence. While Luffy has his fleet, they're still mostly just rising themselves. And Luffy definitely wouldn't care to gather BM's territories after the fight.

>>156278169
Now that you mention it, yeah. You're right. But why would some other commander want to inform Jack about Caesar when he was on Zou on another mission?
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Luffy wont ally with a Yonko, he said he's gonna beat all of them, even Shanks.

I just hope Oda remembers this.
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>>156278405
He speaks like he meet him before physically.
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>>156278405
I think Anon's point is Brook mentions a picture not doing his presence justice. As in Brook has been in his presence before.
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>>156278417
>Heeh. Nah, the first one must be Shanks. Oh well!
I miss Mangapanda.
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>>156278412
>It's about territories, allies and general influence.
Pretty sure having several kingdoms behind you is Yonkou-tier.
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>>156278438
>>156278452
try reading something better than niggastream
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>>156278364
All it took was one KKG to wreck the shit outta Doffy. The 20 minute aid is honestly more of a plot protection to Doffy than Luffy if you look at it. I mean he landed 4 attacks and after Doffy uses Awakening he began evading for 20 minutes but when he comes back he uses another move in his arsenal to completely destroy Doffy's strongest offensive and defensive moves which he should've logically used earlier. G4 Luffy was just too strong for Doflamingo.
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>>156278412
Jack using Caesar's gas weapon might imply that he has a closer connection to him. Or maybe he knew that Jack was physically close sort of. Or Jack is just their guy for "field service".
I don't know, anyway i don't think that guy is all that important.
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>>156278501

>He doesn't really look much like me

Tweest coming in five years.
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>>156278735
>luffy's real father was one piece all along
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>>156278735
>dragon is actually luffys mother and vice-versa from iva df
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>>156277399
Hotfix coming through

ZORO
LUFFY
JINBE
SANJI
FRANKY
BROOK
ROBIN
CHOPPER
THOUSAND SUNNY
NAM
USOPPI
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>>156278960
>NAM
>USOPPI
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>>156278960

>NAM
>It Ain't Me starts playing
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>>156278976
Fuck off
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>>156278466
Which ones? Alabasta and Sakura are at at the beggining of GL where WG reigns supreme. They won't openly support Luffy before the final war starts. That leaves FI and Dressrosa (with Dressrosa being in absolutely fucked up shape) nd maybe Kano and Prodence. It's not bad, but not Yonkou tier.
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>>156278501
Hi quality Old chapters are a pain in the ass to find.
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>>156279075
>Hi quality
who is quality?
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>>156279219
>who is quality
Him
>>156266096
The only quality shitposter we have nowadays.
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>>156279075
that's not an old chapter though
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>>156271053
It wasn't a demand though.
It was a request, and Monet not only agreed, but was already going to do it on her own.
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>>156279219
Viz, non le niggastream or le mangapanda tls, the likes that you meme around /a/ to prevent people from discussing or posting any manga.
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>>156272413
That's only half true.
With someone like Kaido, he alone is a huge part in what makes him a Yonkou.
That's why there's the saying about never betting against him on one-on-one. He's the strongest character. Meanwhile, Whitebeard was the strongest Yonkou due to a combination of his own strength and his crew.
That's not to say wach Yonkou isn't crazy strong to begin with, nor that their crews are weak. It's just that their crews end up comprising of some of the strongest people because you don't generally work for someone weaker.
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>>156274565
Fuck, I actually forgot Cracker was one of the sweet knights.
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>You will never make love with Miss Golden Week.

Why live?
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>>156274808
That's stupid logic.
In addition to >>156274987 the Yonko, unlike the Marine and Shichibukai, are not a single group. They don't make an coordinated effort. You don't need to face more than one of them at a time.
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>>156274808
>Garp said Marines + Shichibukai = Yonko. He said yonko, not one of the yonko.
It's wrong. They are stronger than one, ok. Not 4... Pretty if Big Mom and her whole crew was there with WB, the Marines would've been destroyed.
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Why cant Sengoku manhandle Whitebeard? He's the FA. He can't possibly be weaker than WB.
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>>156278501
Like?
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>>156280143
because Akainu was enough for that. don't know what was Whitebeard thinking. Garp and Sengoku would've beat his ass relatively easily since he was sick. Eeven though a fight like that would've killed way more fodder around them.
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>>156266422
Mochi's just the name remember.
Lightning fruit's translation is Rumble (thunder onomatopoeia) which is a tangent from "lightning".
By Mochi it probably just relates to "sticky" as the theme. It's probably actually the element of jelly or treacle or something.
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>>156280473
No. It's Mochi. Literally Mochi. Stop being an autist now.
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>>156280296
Jack tried capturing Doffy and fought Sengoku + Issho and came out with minor injuries and wasn't captured. I wonder if Pirates >>>> Marines because that's really fucked up how pirates can't just take over the world if they're at least four times stronger than the marines.
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>>156280566
To apply this in the real world imagine if there's a criminal group in the US that's four times the strength and manpower of the US military, 12000 nukes, 20 aircraft carriers, tens of thousands of jet fighter planes, shitloads of tanks, fleets of ships and submarines and they're simply... wanted men.

Can you imagine having all that power and you kept being pestered by the police and it never came across your mind that you want to take over the nation with your might or maybe simply demand independence and create your own nation?
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>>156268995
>>156269443
Where does Robin draw the line? She literally held and gripped Frankys balls with her hands, but doesn't wanna be part of the childish things like idolising ninjas or robots or docking.
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>>156280935
She draws the line at being an interesting character.
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>>156280911
First, the Yonkos aren't friendly with each other. Second
>it never came across your mind that you want to take over the nation with your might or maybe simply demand independence and create your own nation?
It's pretty much what the Yonkos did.
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>>156264004
>5. It is used to trap birds

But who's the bird?
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>>156280965
A yonko's pirate crew is essentially equal in strength to the entire marine. And considering they still have active bounties on their heads means they're still underneath the marine's influence.
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>>156281059
No, they aren't. They do whatever they wants in the NW. They reign supreme here. It has been directly stated.
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>>156280965
They tried getting their own independence but their bounties are still active and they're still regarded as criminals. The Marines putting a bounty on a Yonko's top commander is like USA putting a bounty on Russia's top generals.
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>>156280566
Haven't Pirates effectively taken over half the world? There's a reason the Navy HQ isn't in the New World, they have no jurisdiction there
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Why didnt the pirates put bounties on the heads of the Marines as well? I want to know how much Garp's head is worth.
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>>156281173
Half the Grand Line, and even that not really.
Also, the Navy HQ post-TS is in the New World.
They still don't control it, but it shows that they want to change it.
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>>156281251
Because they'd lose respect for having to pay someone else to achieve their own goals.
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>>156278960
>Sanji behind Jinbe
Fuck off fishfag
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>>156262049
Fuck off faggot. Blackbeard was already stronger than Shanks without a DF and you think it matters that Ace lost to him? ANY yonko commander would get raped by Blackbeard.
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>>156276241
Shanks is basically an older, smarter, red haired Luffy. Do you seriously think he's scared of anyone?
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>>156281740
>>156262049
>Sengoku flattened BB's crew.
Yea speedreader and BB directly told his crew not to fight Ace or they'd die.
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>>156276241
Well if he's not greater than Akainu who Shanks already humiliated on live TV then he's not even on the same level as Shanks.
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>>156276241
>Shanks made Kaido bitch out of the Marineford war.
>scared of him.
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>>156264004
So whats Dragons devil fruit power? Wind element logia?
How many different possible logias are there even anymore? Stereotypical elements like fire, lightning, earth, light and darkness (but not water itself for obvious reasons) and several different variations of those (snow/ice, fire/magma) so where does it go next?
What about how many possible variations of one thing can there be, is Smoker one of his kind or does mist, fog or dust get its own fruits?

Are most logias just different only marginally different liquids or different "clouds" of things?
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>>156281933
Do we know that he has a devil fruit ability?
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>>156276251
>Implying she won't be so busy fending off all her Underworld friends who'll have smelt weakness after this whole wedding debacle she'll have time to hunt anyone down

Let's face it, before Luffy shows for up to fuck her shit up, she'd somehow failed to kill Kidd in retaliation for sinking her ships and costing her millions of beri. After the SH's, Firetank pirates and Minks all escape unscathed and laughing into the horizon her reputation will be irreparably ruined. No one in the underworld is gonna take her seriously after this
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>>156281933
Weather control fruit
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>>156281933

I remember how around Marineford some edgelords were speculating that Akainu would have the blood blood fruit. Good times.
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>>156281965

It's heavily implied he was controlling the wind in Loguetown
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Because of dressrosa taking long as fuck and dragging a bit towards the end i stopped reading op at the first chapter we met sanji's sister and brother to save up chapters to binge, how has op been since then and is it a good time to pick it back up?
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>>156276241
Kaido's basically being played up as a big, bad, unstoppable, indestructible monster. He's probably far above Akainu. He's the New World Oars. Shanks probably isn't scared of him since he turned him away from Marineford, but that doesn't necessarily mean he wants to 1v1 the guy.

>>156281884
You know what Shanks is like, Anon, he probably paid Kaido off/distracted him with intel rather than fought him outright. Shanks doesn't just swing his dick around when there's no need for it.
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>>156281933
He doesn't have a devil fruit. He has an ancient artifact.
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>>156281933
Imagine if there was a sea type logia DF.
Instead of not being able to swim, you're not able to step on land ever or you'll die
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>>156282096
It's been pretty good but things are just getting to the juicy confrontation, I'd wait a few months before binging.
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>>156282096
A Yonko just jobbed to Jinbe. Does that sound good?
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>>156282199
Ah ok, ill wait a couple months for that confrontation to binge, ill pick it back up in summer
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>>156267086
Do you think Reiju's powers will be relevant in the wedding?
Could be FI-type saving, or if the rocket hits bystanders or whatever
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>>156282095
>heavily implied
In other words we have no idea. It was 'implied' that the straw hat called down the lightning too.
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>>156281884
Probably sucked his dick and offered him sake. They partied all night then he went to Marineford while Kaido was hungover. They clearly din't fight.
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>>156282204
Shut the fuck up.
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>>156282158
Did you not meet Jack?
Did you not hear Law say Kaido can't be reasoned with?
What that you've seen about Kaido and his crew makes them seem like they can be reasoned with?

You mean like when the minks tried to reason with them?
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>>156278923
>The sharpness of the word Doffyfag is higher
Guys I think this is photoshopped.
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>>156282357
You mean like how Shanks first strikes Whitebeard alone on Whitebeards ship?


Everything about Shanks suggests he used the threat of violence or actually used violence.
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>>156279930
See >>156275813
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>>156279505
Whitebeard was bar non the strongest character in the story you retard.
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Yfw our introductions to the Wano arc is Zoro sitting across from a livid Kaidou drinking his sake whilst surrounded by angry Shogunate Samurai and Kaidou pirates
>yfw "I suppose you're wondering how's i got here" closes out that' chapter
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>>156282495
It's wrong. It has later been said two yonkos teaming up would be huge trouble for the Marines. It has been retconned, sorry, Marinesfag.
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>>156281059
>A yonko's pirate crew is essentially equal in strength to the entire marine
Literal headcanon. Read Volume 45 again.
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>>156282158
>>156282407
Why do people keep forgetting both Shanks and Kaido are alcoholics and how that is a possible reason as to why Kaido was turned

Shanks even calmed down another Yonko, Whitebeard, with alcohol before

Kaido is shown to be an emotional wreck and Shanks may have encountered or coaxed out the part of him that could be dealt with non-violently
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>>156282650
We have seen the Marineford war. WB crew and allies was pretty close from the Marines. Two Yonkos together are undoubtedly stronger than the Marines.
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>>156282650
Whitebeards crew sailed into a huge trap set up by the WG.
If they met the Marine on open sea instead of a quake resistant bowl of water that could be boiled it'd be a much different fight retard.
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>>156282095
nami can do the same thing with her clima tact
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>>156282095
Luffy's dad has a weaker version of Nami and Bigom's power.
Lame if true.
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>>156282707
pretty close? Sengoku, garp, kizaru, mihawk, doffy, kuma. all top tier fighters were basically unharmed. aokiji had minor injuries. akainu was the only one who had been decently damaged and yet he brushed off marco's and vista's attacks like they were nothing. WB's alliance was annihilated in that war and needed to be bailed.
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>>156282688
Shanks threw his saki cup at Whitebeard in anger retard.
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>>156282158
>far above Akainu

there is no character far above Akainu, at best they are at the same level but Kaidou wins in the end (like Akainu and Aokiji)
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>>156282688
Why did the Marines say Shanks was fighting Kaido the day prior if he was not? Oda could have just not mentioned it but instead he told the reader that Shanks > Kaido.
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>>156282688
>my example of Shanks bring a pussy is him striking at Whitebeard on Whitebeards ship while alone.
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>>156282821
He threw it down. the speed reading meme doesn't seem like a meme anymore but a reality.
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>>156282806
Injured Akainu didn't even take WBs crew seriously and would probably win against them all alone.
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>>156271661
Those are not good reasons at all
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>>156282926
How does this change the point that a Shanks openly attacked Whitebeard when mediation failed and Whitebeard was far more reasonable than Kaido?
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>>156282937
no he wouldn't, that's Fairy Tail like retarded
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>>156282937
That's pretty much what I said. Are you agreeing with me? kek
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>>156282792
I dunno, if he has the Fuu guy no m it could even pretty strong. Just think of the he'll he could wreak using gales of wind to distort the already crazy weather in the NW, generating tornadoes that could shred castles and maybe even being one of the few characters capable of flight. Hell, forget tornadoes, I bent this fucker could create straight up Big Red Spot like cyclones with that fruit
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>>156282937
Ace would have defeated Akainu after a very difficult fight if Luffy was not there.
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I always got this impression that Kaido is a caveman kind of fighter that can't be hurt and waits for his enemies to get close to him, grabs them and continuously smash them in the head with his club.
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>>156282984
shanks defended himself.
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>>156283007
Shit, fuu fuu no mi, goddamit autocorrect
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>>156282407
>What that you've seen about Kaido and his crew makes them seem like they can be reasoned with?
The fact that they very clearly want the poneglyphs. I don't know why, perhaps they want the secret weapons to destroy the world, or Kaido wants to use the weapons on himself, either way they want them. That's why they occupied Wano. That's why Jack was sent after Raizo/Momo. If Shanks knew something about them I see no reason why Kaido wouldn't bargain with him since in the end he gets exactly what he wants.

And you're acting as if Jack just attacked and tortured the minks for fun. Whilst he was extreme in his methods he was still 100% correct about the fact they were hiding Raizo.
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>>156283039
He got in a shouting match with the Whitebeard. He boarded Whitebeards ship with max haki.
To say he was non violent is a lie.
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>>156282393
Never respond to anyone that uses word 'jobber' or 'BTFO'. They're shitposters in 100% of cases.
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>>156283109
it'd be kaze kaze no mi but i get it.
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>>156282987
Their strongest fighters attacked him all at once and didn't even leave a bruise. Looking back, WBs crew seems even weaker than BMs.

>>156283017
What makes you think that if he lost against BB who was probably weaker (and who got onehit by Magelan) at that point?
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10 years equal 500 chapters. If you think Wan Piss will end in the next 500 chapter, you're retarded.
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>>156283132
he made fodder faint. he tried persuading wb. he was non violent and only defended himself
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>>156283161
BB got beat by Magellan because of his arrogance weakness, which WB mentioned.
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>>156283192
>board a boat and knock out a shitload of people on it.
>not violent
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>>156283136
You're just mad your favourite jobber got BTFO
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>>156283168
400 chapters. There are 48 issues of Jump a year, but Oda skips some. Plus, Oda is noticeably trying to start wrapping things up since Dressrosa started.
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>>156283161
Akainu was fighting with the Marines besides him

like, can't you see how fucked up would the power scaling be if Akainu > all commanders?
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>>156283192
He boarded WB ship, knocked people out, then told WB how to run his business.
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>>156282329
It was 'implied' that the straw hat called down the lightning too.

what
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>>156283161
It's not about WB's crew being weaker. They have to be more or less as strong as their counterparts in other yonko crews to maintain a stalemate. But the point is that the commanders went against admirals who're meant to fight against the emperors themselves. so WB pirates got overwhelmed.
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>>156283261
400 chapters is like 5 major arcs if he rushes a bit. There is a chance of 0% that it will end there.
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>>156283192
>he was non violent and only defended himself
In a mutual clash they were equal, its like some fags are reading an entirely different series.
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>>156283316
The main reason they were in losing position was because Ace tried to fight Akainu. Other than that they won the day.
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why does luffy job all the time?
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Yonko? More like Jobko.
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>I will probably outgrow the series by the time it ends
Feels bad
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>>156283194
And he was pretty arrogant against Ace too, showing off his powers and all the shit. Ace is Jimbe tier at best.

>>156283268
>Akainu was fighting with the Marines besides him
They didn't really interrupt his terminator walk for Luffy. It was all Akainu stomping everything in his way while getting attacked by the top commanders. Sure, if it'd be optimal scenario they could probably push him or even defeat him in the long run but they looked pretty damn helpless once WB kicked the bucket.

Surely if at least one of the commanders were somewhat competent, they could at least stop Akainu 1vs1 for a while like Sabu did against Fujitora?

>can't you see how fucked up would the power scaling be if Akainu > all commanders?
Why? There is WB to balance it out. He could probably take 2 admirals by himself, and we know that Akainu is the strongest one.
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>>156283366
Because he's upset you let your grand uncle fuck you in the ass like a loose whore every night
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>>156283474
Ace actually should have killed Blackbeard in their fight when impaled Teach with spears of fire into his heart and lungs and stomach. But we all know even Whitebeards direct hits couldn't really hurt Teach.
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>>156283192
>he was non violent and only defended himself

except he was the first one to draw his weapon.
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>>156283474
>Ace is Jinbe tier at best
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>>156283530
>when two Jobko clash
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>>156283117
>The fact that they very clearly want the poneglyphs
Hum? He fucking killed Oden. There's nothing that indicate that. He just said he wants to die in a war.
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new thread

>>156283573
>>156283573
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>>156283474
Jinbe could fight Ace equally because he's a fucking water elemental.
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>>156268477
Why don't you forget about /a/?
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>>156283474
Akainu isn't stronger than every divisions commanders combined. That's fucking ridiculous. I don't what manga you are reading but not One Piece.
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>>156283474
Akainu was being injured, but his willpower was so strong he couldn't be slowed down.
It's like saying WB wasn't injured or sick because he kept going till the moment he died.

Akainu would have died really fast if he tried to stand to Shanks.
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>>156283556
>ties with Jimbe
>loses against BB
>can't even hurt sleeping WB (ala Brook and Big Mom)
>gets hurt by clashing with Akainu
Sounds like Jimbei tier.

>>156283519
Well, it's probably down to the same reason BB can have multiple DFs.

>>156283610
Sure he got "element" advantage but if Ace were stronger, he'd win eventually, no?
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Whitebeard needed a whole fleet of allies and Luffy's prison group to avoid complete and utter annihilation and you're talking about them beating the entirety of the Marines alone with convication?

Yes they were fighting on the Marine's terms but if you're saying old Whitebeard and ONLY his crew could definitely handle the entirety of the Marines in a straight up battle then you're being naive. The war was a clusterfuck of characters disappearing in and out. Whitebeard's crewmates have no answers for the Admirals and even the whole of the Vice Admirals, especially Garp if he actually participates, in a drawn out fight. There's also Sengoku if necessary.

I'm not even including the Shichibukai, who are obligated to fight with the Marines and would overwhelmingly put the fight in the Marines favour. Let alone Sentomaru and the Pacifista army which would pick off large, weaker groups freeing up more Marines to deal with the primary threats.

Now Whitebeard would be more than a handful, it would be a question of whether some of the Admirals and Garp can outlast him, which they definitely would have a strong chance of.
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>>156283725
Ace might but he made friends with the guy instead.
Jinbe couldn't run from Akainu without being magma fisted. Ace had to intentionally get fisted.
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>>156283474
we didn't even see them fight, we just saw he btfo 1 literally who WB commander

>there is WB to balance it out. He could probably take 2 admirals by himself
reread Marineford again, he couldn't do shit against the Admirals the entire war, and when he did he lost half of his face, not saying the Admirals are stronger than WB, as WB was not in 100% most of the war but he was clearly portrayed to be just a lil above the Admirals
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>>156283578
And now he's got one of his commanders hunting Raizo. Raizo is one of the guys who escaped with Momo. Why would Kaido give half a fuck about hunting down Raizo/Momo if he had no interest in the poneglyphs? Why would he take over (not destroy, but take over) Wano if he had no interest in the poneglyphs? What secret did he execute Oden for not telling him (for that's why he executed Oden) if not related to the poneglyphs/Raftel/OP? Why would he have a fucking road poneglyph if he doesn't care about them? Think it through.
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>>156283713
Actually he was still pretty lively, at least compared to WB who should be dead after having half of his face blown off. Sure, if he went against Shanks in that state he'd probably lose but Shanks is close to WB/Kaido. Not really comparable with WB commanders.
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stop talking about ace and jinbe they both are just a bunch of jobbers
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>>156283810
Kaido heard WB speech at Marineford and he heard him say he could start the Great War by finding one piece.
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>>156283810
Because he's working with the Shogun for whatever reason. Stop with your headcanon bullshit, Kaido just said he wants to die in a big war.
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>>156283812
Shanks would instantly kill Akainu at full health.
He could have cut Akainu's head off instead of blocking. Akainu didn't even sense his presence.
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>>156283818
Go back to your shit thread animefag
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>>156283818
Wish your moms uterus hadn't jobbed to your dads sperm, so we wouldn't have to read the stupid shit you type on the Internet
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>>156283901
>acefaggot/ fishfaggot getting mad cause stating the truth that they both are jobbers in the end
lmao
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>>156283880
>Kaido the yonkou, the indestructible monster who almost everyone is afraid of, is not acting out his own plans but just doing what some faggot shogun tells him

You're fucking simple mate.
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>>156283789
>Jinbe couldn't run from Akainu without being magma fisted. Ace had to intentionally get fisted.
Before Ace got fisted he traded blows with Akainu and got fried. Just like Jinbe when he tried to hit him.

>>156283803
>we didn't even see them fight
Pretty sure Marco and Vista attacked him too, with no result. + couple random commanders. And this was Akainu after getting quake fisted in the ground by WB.
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>>156283977
>being an animefag, so your ADHD won't allow you to discuss the series normally
Lmao
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>>156283992
Kaido is a jobber nothing new here.
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>>156266013
That song
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>>156283992
I'm not saying that. You jumping to conclusions and acting like it's canon is just plain wrong.
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>>156284021
>admitting that your a fishjobberfaggot
lmao
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>>156283818
How is jinbe a jobber? His performance after the timeskip has been good.
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>>156284131
>still being an anime fag when jinbe jobbed 0 times
Lmao
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>>156284013
WB attacked Aokiji and Kizaru and his attacks phased through them too

so how can you say Akainu > WB commanders for being capable of evading Marco's and Vista's attack once, but then you believe WB > 2 admirals evendoe they were capable of evading his attacks as well?
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>>156284013
Ace only took superficial injuries from Akainu when they legitimately clashed. He could have won after some burns he got only because he didn't know he could be burned.
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>>156284021
>>156284131
>greentext
Abbreviation of "laughing my fucking ass off"
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>>156284174
He successfully smashed Aokiji away, and Akainu.
If he wasn't back stabbed and normally on literal life support, he wouldn't have got hit once by Akainu.
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>>156284174
WB almost full killed Kuzan in 20 seconds and Kuzan didn't come back for more after that.

If he was 1v1 him on a deserted island he'd win in minutes compared to Akainu's 10 days. People forget Oda drew WB on LIFE SUPPORT and he was STILL stronger than an admiral.
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>>156280538
According to the Etymology of the word "Mochi" it can be used as a descriptor for sticky things in general.

kys
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>>156284170
>when jinbe jobbed 0 times
>this is what fishjobber fags actually believe
lmao
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>>156277412
Doflamingo was an opponent strong enough to fight an admiral. Kuzan has more experience and would win in the end though.
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>>156284075
I'm not acting like it's canon been said by God himself, I said it's very clear that that's their goal. You in turn said there was nothing to indicate that. I provided you a list of evidence indicating that.

You're the one acting as if finding the poneglyphs won't help him achieve his goal of starting a big war and dying when everyone who's hunted the poneglyphs (barring Luffy, Robin, and Roger) does so solely to start a big war. You're still fucking simple.
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>>156284174
The attacks from WB against them were pretty skirmish-y, specially against Kuzan. When WB went for the kill, he got Akainu pretty well. Also the admirals gave him their full attention, Akainu didn't give any fucks about anyone sans Luffy.

WB commanders had one job to do, stop Akainu from getting a fried fish with Luffy and they couldn't do a thing to really slow him down even less hurt him. Now they are getting hunted by a comic relief character like Weevil.

>>156284197
What makes you think he could based on his known feats? Unless Oda went full FT/Naruto with the power of Gol D Roger in him awakening, there was nothing to suggest Ace could handle a top tier like Akainu.
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>>156284472
He did better than sick Whitebeard until he had to save Luffy.
Aces first clash he got minor burns. Whitebeard lost half his face?

Then Oda used plot to kill Ace.
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>>156284472
Read Aces fight with BB. He lost there only because BB takes barely damage from fatal organ destroying attacks.
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>>156284385
It's most likely mochi. It's a japanese treat that stretches and is sticky. If I had to choose one food that was sticky, I would choose mochi.
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>>156284240
>>156284312
>WB almost fully killed Kuzan in 20 seconds and Kuzan didn't come back for more after that.

yes he did, WB attacked him, did no damage and then Jozu came to WB's rescue (granted WB didn't look vey worried about)

and btw I'm not talking about Prime WB or a not sick WB, he was on life support for some years now so him on life suppor was himself on 100% at the time, that's who I'm comparing with the admirals
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>>156284391
>being this deluded
lmao
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>>156284472
when he went for kill he attacked Akainu from behind and still lost half of his face
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>>156284521
Not sure if comparing how well WBs face can tank magma punches compared to Aces fists is of any use.

>Then Oda used plot to kill Ace.
Or he used plot to prolong the fight long enough for the dumb "I'll block your magma fist with my back" stuff that made no sense.

>>156284550
Which is like ... BBs power that Ace could do nothing against. Same BB fled like a bitch from Akainu despite having his crew and new DF powers on his side.

>>156284652
Wasn't WB himself distracted when it happened? Though admittedly, at this point I don't recall the full details of their fight.
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>>156284609
>irony
lmao
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Will we ever get a Marine who has unlocked Conquerors Haki? Why does it seeem to be Pirate Exclusive?
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>>156284871
>still can't name a single time jinbe jobbed
lmao
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>>156284919
Because muh freedom muh being king
Also wasn't it implied that Garp has CoC?
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>>156284840
he was looking straight at him so not really
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>>156284840
Akainu was incapable of quickly killing Ace like he was incapable of quickly killing Aokiji.

Oda used Luffy as a plot device to kill Ace as a result.
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>>156284840
Kuzan fought Akainu for ten days before losing.
Kuzan would get raped by BBand is his subordinate so he ran because he didn't want to fight an admiral that was ambushing him not because he is unable to.
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>>156284840
>the fleet admiral is personally ambushing me in a surprise attack and he's known for expert planning and cunning and underhanded tactics
>better not run
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>>156284840
Blackbeard has Akainu tier subordinates.
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>>156264004
Leave Jobberkuri to me.
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>>156277679

baby 5 is so fucking hot, so fucking mad she ended up with that ugly mofo.
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>>156284971
Yeeeeah, not so sure about that. If I remember correctly, husband reaction was along the line of "just like Dragon!" Instead of "just like me!"
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>>156277399
>>156278960
>No Carrot
Discarded
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