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FUCK OFF VEGETA
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>>154749623
This background track is amazing.
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>>154749623
>Episode title: "Never Forgive Son Goku! The Warrior of Justice Toppo's Intrusion!!"

>Goku: "If I'm evil...then does that make you a champion of justice?"

>Toppo says that yes, and he's going to beat the crap out of Goku.

>Kai asks Omni-King for permission to have Toppo fight Goku in a special match. The Omni-Kings agree.

>Toppo won't let Goku get away with endangering his universe.

>Beerus is concerned that if the other universes see Goku fight more, they'll be able to spot his weaknesses.

>Satan tells Goku to finish Toppo off quick, but Gohan says Toppo is too strong for that.

>Goku can tell Toppo's strong too. He's been waiting to get this excited.

>Even Gohan is excited to see this fight. "I really do have Saiyan blood!" Beerus thinks Goku and Gohan are both a pain.
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>>154749623
How long until Goku fucks up this arc?
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TRANSLATIONS WHEN?
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anime > manga
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>>154749709
Gohan don't be excited to see a fight ur'll turn into a menace like ur father
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Goku please kill this annoying justicefag
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>ALL THESE MOVES

THESE GUYS ARE JUST A HERO GINYU FORCE
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>Universe at stake
>Goku doesn't use his full power
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Gohan likes Toppo's posing doesn't he
holy kek
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>>154749623
Justice CRUSHA!
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Is Toppo part of an alt universe Ginyu force of justice?
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Can't wait for Ayy's posing
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Holy shit, Zeno is so cute
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>>154749623
GOHAN CONFIRMED TO BE EXCITED ABOUT FIGHTING.
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so if toyofags hate toei so much why you fags watch the new ep then
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>>154749709
>Toppo introduces himself. Again. He leads the Pride Troopers, don't you know.

>Toppo: "I'll beat you with the iron fists of justice!"

>Beerus thinks Toppo's hero posturing is stupid. Gohan thinks it's cool. Fancy that.

>Toppo's attacks: Justice Tornado. Justice Kick. Justice Cracker. Very imaginitive.

>Goku: "Now it's my turn!"

>Toppo specializes in holds and wrestling-type moves like that, but Goku now knows to avoid him. So Toppo starts using blasts.

>Toppo's big hold technique will keep going until he crushes Goku's bones.

>(Or so Marcaritta says, anyhow)
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i swear if this fucking fight lasts more than 1 episode
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Oh my god, Zeno is adorable.
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Toppo is fucking WWE member
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I like Toppo's fighting style
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>>154749771

Mumen Rider is sueing him.
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>>154749793
Which is basically a retcon coming from Toei.
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HOLY SHIT HER VOICE IS CUTE
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>>154749754
>>154749793
>Gohan turning into a monster just like dad
pls no, let his human blood save him
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Future Trunks is best husbando
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JUSTICE!
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>People are acting smug even though Goku hasn't went SSB yet
Fucking retards man
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>zenos shouting JUSTICE JUSTICE

da fuq
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>>154749789
TANOSHI
WAKUWAKU
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>>154749845
It was cute.
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>>154749845
They are children and are enjoying the show.
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>>154749825
YAMERO GOHAN !!!
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"JUSTICE!"

What did he mean by this?
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>>154749845
Justice is hype, you stupid fuck.
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>>154749839
Future Trunks is suffering incarnate.
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JUSTICE JUSTICE.
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Harley voice is cute, CUTE
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It's incredibly satisfying seeing evil crushed by the hug of justice.
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*dabs*
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>JUSTICE VS Goku
>Goku is losing

EVERYTHING IS RIGHT IN ALL UNIVERSES
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>>154749822
>Toyotaro
ftfy
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Jap ads are so fucking weird
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>>154749623
TOPKEK
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So we he be worthy enough to join the Pride Toppers? What would be his signature attack
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>>154749865
Justice by killing all these filthy ningen and their ningen universes.
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So her name is Margarita ?
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JUSTICE :-DDD
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>>154749875
HUG OF JUSTICE DRINK IT IN MAN
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>>154749869
I hope Goku becomes suffering incarnate after this arc, piece of shit deserves it.
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>>154749881
That's what makes them memorable.
I mean would you prefer these or the western ones where they just put up some plain looking woman in a plain looking house with some softly sung version of a rock song that we have been getting lately?
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>Demon God Kid Buu
>SS3 Xeno Vegetto
God damn it, why did arcades have to die out over here.
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BTFO
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SSB > JUSTICE
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>>154749912
yes slowpoke
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>>154749806
>Toppo: "Evil can't beat good!" etc

>Toppo says its time to finish it, but Goku has other ideas.

>He could have predicted that Goku still had that other transformation we saw he use last episode?!
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>white haired vegito keychain
Did they just... spoil something big in a fucking commercial?
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Based Goku beating the annoying justicefag
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Goku being brutal
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>>154749921
JUSTICE :-DDDJUSTICE :-DDDJUSTICE :-DDDJUSTICE :-DDDJUSTICE :-DDDJUSTICE :-DDD
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>>154749973
Wait what?
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did goku already win?
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>>154749961
It's Goku>Justice. Anime Vegeta is trash
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mangafags BTFO
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TOPPO BTFO
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JOBBO
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INSTANT KAMEHAMEHA
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>>154750011
Vegeta will get his due. You gokufags will see.
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>>154749973
wot
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>instrant transmission kamehameha
nice
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>Warp Kamehameha
yes
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SSBKK is confirmed canon
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FUCK YOU GRAND PRIEST
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KAIOKEN
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>>154749973
The Japanese don't really care for spoilers anon, you should know that by now
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>HE'S GOD OF DESTRUCTION TIER PLEASE BELIEVE ME
>WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE ME
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this fight was hype af
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>>154749845
It's a fucking kids cartoon to them
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>>154750047
anime isn't canon.
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COCKBLOCKED
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>SSB BTFO Hippo
>Jiren handles SSB just fine in the OP
I
What do they mean by this
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Toppo is fucking boring as fuck
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>>154750070
Fuck off faggot
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>>154750070
Neither is the manga judging by this latest chapter.
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Jiren > toppo confirmed. He's gonna stomp Goku in the future.
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GOKU CONFIRMED EVIL
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>>154749973
It wasn't white; it was pale blond. Like early Super Saiyan hair without the aura. It's also not new, it's been in the ads the last few episodes.
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>>154749623
JIREN CONFIRMED STRONGEST PRIDE TROOPER!!!!!!!!!!
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>Toppo says he's not strongest in his universe. That honor goes to Jiren. If Goku's equal to Toppo, he hasn't got a chance against Jiren

HYPE
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>>154749972
>Beerus wonders if Goku has killed Toppo. Whis: "He may have gotten a little too serious..."

>Toppo is mad at Goku...for messing up his uniform (cf: Tao)

>Goku wants Toppo to get serious. He will too!

>Great Priest stops that fight. "That's enough!" At this rate, both would have died. They should save it for the tournament.

>The Omni-Kings reluctantly declare things over.

>Goku: "I'm amazed! I can't believe there's someone as incredible as you!" Toppo refuses to shake. Goku's still evil.

>Toppo says he's not strongest in his universe. That honor goes to Jiren. If Goku's equal to Toppo, he hasn't got a chance against Jiren

>Goku's excited to hear there's someone stronger than Toppo, but Beerus is angry Goku's only equal to their #2.

>Toppo's not sure if he can win at the tournament, but even if he loses, they've still got Jiren. Justice will prevail!
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He said Jiren
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>>154749973
?
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ayy LMAO > jobbo
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>>154749733
yeah no.
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ayy mention
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>>154750118
But Goku looked like he wasn't even trying
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oh so the episode is airing now
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>>154750079
Jiren is actually U11's best but Toppo only wants to be U11's GoD while Jiren doesn't
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>>154750173
>using a SSB kamehameha
>not even trying

What?
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>>154749623
what, did Vegeta embarrass him in the latest chapter?
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>>154750118
>Great Priest announces that the main tournament is 40 hours from now in Earth time.

>Beerus asks Whi's opinion on the tournament. Whis is certain Goku is going to be targeted by the other universes.

>Satan: "Can you win?" Goku: "Well, we've got Gohan and Buu..."

>Beerus is mad at Goku for not being certain he can win. Whis tells them to stop fighting and find 10 contestants.
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>Toppo will totally beat Goku!

kek
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>>154750196
That's like saying Goku was trying against Majin Vegeta
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>>154750118
>Toppo says he's not strongest in his universe. That honor goes to Jiren. If Goku's equal to Toppo, he hasn't got a chance against Jiren


goku didnt even try against jobbo
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Has Ganesh even said a word or changed expressions/poses during all this?
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>>154749623
Kill yourself feels poster.
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>>154750196
He didn't use the 10x Kaioken
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>40 hours

wow
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JOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBOJOBBO
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>>154750210
>>Great Priest announces that the main tournament is 40 hours from now in Earth time.
So that's a year and a bit of training then.
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EVERYONE GET IN THE CHAMBER
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>Toyotora is using the arc to finish his AF comic
Defend this right now.

>inb4 hurr durr TOIESHILL
I like the manga, I genuinely do, but this is inexcusable
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Why doesn't Bills fight? It's his universe too, he'll get destroyed along with it
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I can't wait for everybody thinking Goku's going to lose until they get BTFO by SSBKKx20
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jobbofags BTFO
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holy shit the animation was fucking terrible
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>40 hours

Isn't that too fucking fast? Why is the Grand Priest such a massive piece of shit?
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>>154750274
Wow this is truly embarrassing. Shame on Toyotaro.
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Why dont they give Gohan the god powers as a help?
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>>154750277
>Bills
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>>154750196
He can spam Kaioken now.
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dat some QUALITY Beerus
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>>154750212
No, it is not.
After SSB all Goku can do is Kaioken for more power, but it was clear Toppo had more fight left in him.
Toppo wasn't defeated by SSB Kamehameha, which means Goku would need to use Kaioken, but Toppo was raising his powerlevel as well.
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what the fuck was that?
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>>154750277
gods of destruction can't fight in the tournament
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>>154750210
>Beerus thinks Whis can be careful because he won't be destroyed even if their universe loses. Stupid angels/guides!

>Beerus/Goku keep fighting. Whis stops them, again. They're supposed to be fighting *other* universes!

>Goku and Gohan set off to gather the other contestants.

>Next week: "Form the Universe 7 Team! Who Are the Strongest Ten?!"

>NEP, in short: there tournament's right around the corner, but Vegeta still refuses to participate with Bulma pregnant. Whis, do something!

>Are they really going to have Whis help Bulma give birth early or something...?
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>>154750333
jobbofags being this delusional
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Goku doesnt even need to beat the pride faggots to win the tournament anyway.
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>>154750212
Whis specifically states he was trying, but then after he said that he went Kaioken so the anime is just gibberish.
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>>154750320
>>154750228
>>154750212
I highly doubt Kaioken alone can defeat Jiren if he was already going to use it against Toppo.
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>>154750333
he use Kaiokenx2 as long as he wants
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So who's going to job to Jiren in the future, Vegeta or Hit or both?
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>>154749824
She's called Margarita
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>Basil vs Krillin in the preview

Krillin confirmed stronger than Cell.
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Bulma is fat! FAT!
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BRA CONFIRMED, NINGEN
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Lol baby Bra
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Whats up with Beerus Scooby-Doo face lmao
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Dat Onion Head
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>>154749793
BEERUS YELLS AT GOKU FOR LOWERING THE MORTAL LEVEL.
GOKU REBUTTALS BY STATING GOHAN IS RAISING THE MORTAL LEVEL

GET HYPED LADS!!
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BRA!!!!
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>>154750378
Hit.

Vegeta is going to beat Toppo is my bet since he was evil at one point.
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>>154750379
I know
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BRA IS HAPPENING!!!
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BEERUS BECAME A DOG!?
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>>154750372
He was only using 1x Kaioken
You can tell by the shade of red he is
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KRILLEN CONFIRMED LAVENDER LEVEL
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WE DID IT BOIS
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CUTE CUTE CUTE
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>>154750356
>>Are they really going to have Whis help Bulma give birth early or something...?
>They put Bulma in Whis' staff and speed it up ROTAS style so she gives birth in time for Vegeta to train and participate
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KRILLIN VS BASIL
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>>154750325
b-but dragon ball room is going to save us
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>>154750372
He was going to use Kaiokenx2. He can probably go to x10 without fucking up his body now too
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>White Haired Vegito
Get hyped guys.
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>>154750118
Jiren opening confirmed not a mistake. Toppo being the cloaked figure was an audible by either Toei or Toriyama in order to stretch the arc out more.
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BRA IS CUTE
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>>154749869
this
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>>154750372
yeah it was pretty evident they set him up so Goku will need a new transformation. I imagine if you push Kaioken far enough, since it's a red aura, you'll unlock Lava mode
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Why is Beerus a dog instead of a cat now
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>>154750419
>eyelashes
it's a girl
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>>154750371
Well he was trying but he wasn't really going all out. He was obviously treating the fight as a spar though
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>>154750253
vegeta blew up the hyperbolic time chamber
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>>154750434
Where?
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>>154749869
not the manga one
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>>154750416
>1x Kaioken
You know stage one Kaioken is a X2 multiplier right?
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>>154750287
>doogus
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>>154750425
Not him, but X10 will still probably fuck him up.

I would be surprised if going over X5 for any extended period of time didn't either.

The lower multipliers would be fine though
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>>154750383
Are you implying the Gohan we just saw was anywhere near his SSJ2 prime form?
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>>154750434
post screencap
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>>154750173
Just like with cell, hmm.
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>>154750424
DBR did help from the atrocious level we were at before.
Today's episode was Toei Phillipine's episode so it was the very definition of QUALITY.
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>>154749839
I agree anon!
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What's wrong with Toei?

This is Dragon Ball, not fucking Scooby Doo
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So who's gonna be Toppo's opponent since Jiren will likely be Goku's rival? Vegeta?Gohan?
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>>154750518
?
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>>154750394
>"Whis, what are these delicious sounding 'Scooby Snax'?
>"I hear they're quite the delicacy Beerus-sama, it seems mortals would do anything for just one."
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>>154750514
>Today's episode was Toei Phillipine's episode so it was the very definition of QUALITY.
Ehh, the fight scenes were fun, but the standing around talking parts were meh.
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>>154750518
They're saving their animation budget for the white haired Vegito form reveal.

Haven't you been paying attention to the thread?
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>>154750483
Im a retard, thats what I meant.
Still, he wasn't going all out
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Rank these Kais
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>Over 3 weeks of filler incoming
>Possibly more with episode 85's description
oh boy
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>tfw missed the stream and have to wait to watch it
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>>154750274
>>154750302
nice falseflagging now stop posting nobody cares about your baits
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>>154750518
They're following Toyotaro's storyboards
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How come nobody is complaining about this:
It's already bean established that Universe 7 is superior to Universe 6 because they beat them at the tournament (which was supervised by Zeno sama himself), and U7's Hakaishin is stronger than U6's Hakaishin.
Now what kind of mental gymnastic should I use to reach a conclusion that U6 is above U7.
>Toei animations as it's finest
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>white hair

fucking really?
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>>154750491
I thought basil was the guy with the kicks, not the poison
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BRA IS CANNON
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>>154750535
Gohan

Also did the keychain commercial show White haired Super Sayian?
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>>154750551

Post those descriptions
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Goku has Kaioken and Vegito as his trump cards so I can see why he doesn't give a shit
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>>154750491
Everyone here kept saying Basil is stronger than Cell.

So if Krillin is taking him on then...

Basil the kicking one
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>>154750419
>W-we don't know if it's a girl or a boy!
>B-bra is from GT, retard!

Where are those guys right now?
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Ok smugpupfag here, translating some main points of what I just watched for you guys if it helps:

Gohan felt his saiyan blood in him and was getting excited about the battle between Goku and Toppo

Grand Priest stopped the battle using the reason "One of the two might die if they went all out and should save it for the actual tournament".

It is indeed 40 hours Earth Time to find competitors.

Toppo refused to shake hands with Goku after the fight because he does not shake hands with the enemy, but went on to mention a very important thing:

His understudy Jiren is stronger than he is.

Otherwise after that just japes with Beerus reminding Goku that if he loses the Earth wlll be destroyed with Goku retorting that "How is that any different to when Beerus threatened to destroy it".

If there's any other main part of the episode you want me to translate just give me a buzz in this thread.
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how is krillin fighting aqainst that furry?Some kind of simulation?
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>>154750579
Yeah, and it was Vegito no less.
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>>154749623
Did Vegeta do this in the anime? This is the kind of shit that makes Vegeta stand out from Retardoroto.
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>all this white hair vegito talk
>not one screencap
Yeah sure.
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>>154750535
Toppo vs Gohan
Beerus lookalike vs Vegeta
and Jiren vs Goku
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someone post a fucking screencap from that white haired thing
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When's Icarus gonna show up?
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>>154750569
Yeah Lavender is the poison guy.
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>Krillin confirmed SSJ3 level.

Anime power levels...
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>People who have never seen the keychain commercial
baka
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Soon
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>>154749839
no
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>>154750594
Did they say anything about training?
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>>154750606
>he didn't watch the commercials
I was too surprised to think about pressing print screen when it came up.
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>>154750603
Vegeta doesnt even have ssg in the anime
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>>154750610
>Toppo vs Gohan
No way Vegeta isnt fighting the second strongest in the tournament.
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I saw SS4 Broly in a japanese commercial xD

SS4 Broly confirmed in Super xDDD
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>>154750616
its just gonna be mental image training desu
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>Goku: I wasn't trying! *goes SSB*
>Toppo: I wasn't trying! *power up*
>Goku: I wasn't trying yet! *goes SSBKK*
>Toppo: I wasn't trying yet! *power up again*

W-wow it's like DBZ, Toei do it again!
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>>154750637
Pretty sure that was light yellow, not white.
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>>154750625
Shin is more of a waifu than husbando.
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>>154750603
Funny since Goku did it first >>154750557
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>>154750518

Kitano, the worst key animator ever.
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>>154750600

Room of space and time, reference to what they used back in Dragon Ball Z to fight some mock Saiyans before Nappa and Vegeta arrived
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>>154750564
Your copypasta shitposting is annoying.

But your 18s are hot so I'll allow it.
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>>154750488
After goku fucked up his body with Kaioken x4 he was able to use Kaioken x10 with ease. So after wrecking his body with SSBKKx10 and training a bit I think it's safe to assume that he can use SSBKKx10 now albeit only being able to use it momentarily
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>>154750594
Beerus yells at Goku for lowering the mortal level, where Goku rebuttals that Gohan is raising the mortal level.
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>>154750637
That's a capsule toy you double ningen

It's been around for months

It's not white hair
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>>154750662
It was. The commercial has also been on for months.
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This episode was trash.
Everything looked so off
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WHITE HAIRED SUPER SAYIAN FORM CONFIRMED IN A FUCKING KEYCHAIN COMMERCIAL

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

ALSO FUCKING CONFIRMED VEGITO WILL BE THE ONE USING IT AND HE'S GOING TO APPEAR IN THE TOURNAMENT OF POWER

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

FUCK JAPS AND THEIR SPOILERS
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>>154750635
No, they didn't, nothing was mentioned about it despite showing Krillin training against a mock Basil in the room of space and time in the preview.
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>>154750579
>Also did the keychain commercial show White haired Super Sayian?
No, it's Namek/Cell era blond with clear plastic. The ad has been airing for weeks, if not months at this point. It's just one newfag watching his first live stream getting overly excited over nothing. Surprised they didn't claim we were getting SS3 Vegetto too.
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Don't worry guys Bardock is confirmed

I saw a commercial with a SS3 Bardock keychain like a year ago, he's back xD!!
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>Subs STILL aren't out
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Beerus animation was absolution terrible. I'm almost ashamed to be watching this shit.
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>>154750710
It was clearly a light yellow.
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>all these people talking about white hair vegetto
>no one out of more than 1000 viewers had screencapped it
this is beyond sad, i bet if it was a waifu that appeared in a split second frame, you wouldve capped it
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>>154750710
>>154750744
what?
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>>154750696
>>154750728
Thank god for the manga lads
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>>154750728
b-b-but they're just saving the budget for later epic momentz! Don't blame us pinoys xD
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>>154750603
Of course not, that's not in Vegeta's character nor is he able to use SSG.
Also constantly transforming is draining on the person regardless of training so it isn't feasible.

Toyble even made that a point in the last arc and already he retconned it.
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>gokufags got btfo
Great episode
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Why are they turning Beerus into a joke character?
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>>154750710
Are you ok my dude?
>>154750726
No you don't get it because Agumon was in a commercial after the eyecatcher he's going to be in DB Super
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OMG GUYS LOOKAT THIS!!!

SS3 WHITE BARDOCK IN THE TOURNAMENT OF POWER XDDD
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>white hair vegito spoiled in a commercial for keychains

Fuck you Toei. FUCK YOU.
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so, everyone is going to the time chamber or what?
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>>154750775
There was a dbz keychain commercial. One of them was Vegito. His hair looked white but to me it looks like a light yellow.
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>>154750594
Thanks smugpupper, you're a good guy.
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>>154750799
You need God to be able to use Blue you fucking ningen
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>>154750802
>btfo
>kicked Toppo's ass
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>that jazz-y soundtrack when SSB Goku and Toppo were exchanging blows

Fucking shit, just give me the name
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>>154750818
They want us to forget that Beerus (and any other GoD) is stronger than the MC
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>>154750799
>and already he retconned it.
Are you retarded? He trained himself so that the on/off ssblue transformation still gives him 100% of his initial strentgh.
Manga training = serves a purpose
Anime training = I get stronger durr
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goku will use ssg
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Post the Vegito toy already
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>>154750802
How his strength progression is exponentially increasing. Once he further perfects SSBKK the tournament will be an easy victory.
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>>154750856
Jiren will beat the evil menace
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>>154750839
>Forcing a meme
double ningen
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>>154750842
Dunno. It was blown up by Vegeta last arc. Maybe to Whis staff? Maybe it takes that long just to find all 10 fighters?
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>krillin fighting the red dog in the preview

How is he gonna get that much stronger?
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>>154750843
It said "Super Vegito" which is regular Super Saiyan Vegitto, not white hair Vegito, just a bad coloration that's all.

Sorry to disappoint.
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This is white now.
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>>154750846
>You need God to be able to use Blue you fucking ningen
Yeah no.
Vegeta went straight into Blue without ever going God.
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>Toppo is strong enough to be the next God of Destruction
>SSB Goku beats the shit out of Toppo
>Jiren is confirmed to be stronger than Toppo
>Goku's newest form in the opening will be on par with Jiren at the least

Does this finally mean that Toriyama's and Toyo's interview during the Zamasu arc doesn't apply to the Universe Survival? I'm referring to the statement of "we currently have no plans to have Goku or Vegeta surpass Beerus."That interview should never apply to anything past the Zamasu Arc because Toriyama is known for not planning ahead.

Jiren's stronger than a GoD candidate, which means it's not crazy to assume that he's as strong as a proper GoD. By the end of Super, Goku should be stronger than Beerus by a good margin if the threat levels keeps going up.

Another reason why Goku will surpass Beerus is because of Beerus' current role in the story. Beerus failed to intimidate Goku, and he seems to be more of a comedic character while Goku's calm and unfazed by anything. It's like the opposite of the Zamasu arc in which everyone but Beerus was losing their shit, and Goku was butt of every joke. Perhaps it's to settle Beerus into a less serious or comedic role after this arc is done.
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>>154750789
Not Tori's fault they're forced to waste money on filler just because retarded Cuckataro can't finish up his fanfiction manga
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HOLY SHIT GUYS XDDD

OOB, SSG AND VEGETTO CONFIRMED IN THE TOURNAMENT OF POWER, LOOK XDDD
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>>154750901
Are...are people retarded? This is Super Saiyan
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>>154750893
Old kai can give everyone a power up
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>>154750901
Looks good.
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>>154750912
Find the episode that says that
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>>154750802
>Jobbo fags actually exist
actually i want to see him fight gohan as great saiyaman
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>>154750818
Because scenes with whis and beerus are the only reason super is any fun
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>>154750901
bright yellow not white
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>>154750674
>Room of space and time
i thought only 2 persons could enter at the time....
Whats the rest going to do?
Also if Gohan saw there are guys as strong as ssjb ans got excited he should at least get that level.
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>>154750901
>>154750921
>White
Someone get rid of this colorblind faggot now
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>>154750875
>Manga training = serves a purpose
Yeah, as an easy retcon. Especially since those three years of training before the tournament apparently did nothing while one year did.

>Anime training = I get stronger durr
You mean the exact thing training should do?
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>>154750891
>double ningen
forcing that white meme is more worthy of infiningen
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>>154750638
Anime (and movies) use SSG's power, manga use SSG form. The issue is, SSG's power in base form is jobber form in the anime.
well it doesn't matter since in the anime SSB is pretty meh as well
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>>154750901
>normal ss color on right in the SS3 Goku keychain
>white hair on Vegito in the middle
Um yeah, that is white.
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>>154750949
>mystic krillin
Neat.
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>>154750921
>>154750938
good god these look like shit, the fact Dragonball is associated with this is just sad
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>>154750901
>White

That shit isn't white
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>>154750901
My boy Vegito is going to come back
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>white hair vegito spoiled in a commercial for keychains


I'm fucking ready
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>>154750921
Looks like snot
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>>154750949
doesn't that take around 20 hours?
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>>154750963
>i thought only 2 persons could enter at the time....
You didn't watch/read the Buu arc did you.
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>>154750893
it's just going to be image training, obviously man
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>>154750600
>>154750674
>>154750963
That's mental training as Kurilin and Gohan did before arrive on Namek. Read the fucking manga you assholes
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>>154750901
why is ssj3 so much yellower?
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>>154750901
He's sporting a different color as well.
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>>154750961
But there was at least this notion that Beerus is crazy strong, even when he's sleeping and Goku and Vegeta getting btfo by flicks of his tail. Now he just screams and complains a lot.
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>>154751014
Because middle is supposed to be white.

SSJ3 Goku in that pic is the normal SSJ color.
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>>154750592
Wait, people ACTUALLY believed Bra was gonna get retconned?
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>>154750893
Training for a few months.
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>>154750963
Only enough food for two to stay there for one year.
Does anyone here read the manga?
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>>154750954
How can I find proof of Vegeta using something that didn't happen in the anime?

If anything you should be looking for the episode that has him using SSG.
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>>154750963
2 people? Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, and Buu in the same room. Think about that.
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If they didn't give Vegeta his moment during the Golden Frieza saga (where it would have been perfect timing and perfect for the the lore) they never will. Do you actually unironically think they will give Vegeta a new power up that Goku doesn't have?
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>>154750875
>Anime training = I get stronger durr
Even worse, later Goku does better against Fused Zamasu than Vegeta did without Kaioken at first.
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>>154751024
probably because he knows he currently needs goku to stand any chance of winning the upcoming tournament
i hope once it's over the first thing he does is hakai goku
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Leave the mortal level to me dad.
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>>154750901
toyohack gonna use white hair vegetto fuck this shit
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This episode SUCKED, too much talking and the fight was so short
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>>154750963
Sorry I said the wrong thing, you know that place where Mr Popo sends Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chaotzu to fight the Saiyans before Nappa and Vegeta arrive on Earth? That place. That's what I'm assuming it is. Not Room of Space and Time.
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>>154751014
No idea, other SS3 ones used the same color as Vegetto >>154750828 >>154750938
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>>154751036
It was just a joke. I don't think anyone actually believed she was going to get retconned.
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>>154750753
>During manga tournament
>Vegeta loses most of his power because he transformed into SSB twice, since the act of transforming itself takes up way too much energy for him to take
>The manga uses this as an excuse for why "Vegeta is totes way way stronger than Hit, he only lost because he uses 90% of his power meaninglessly transforming for Cabba. NOTHING can come close to Saiyans, its only because Vegeta was gimped. Hit wasn't strong, Vegta was just weakened"
>Cut to a few weeks later.
>Can transform super fast with no loss in energy.
>During the tourney it was just a plot excuse so Toyo could say Vegeta was great.
>Hit's abilities were all toned down to make him shit tier in manga, because he stood out too much in the anime as an actual competitor that could rival them temporarily
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>>154750893
He got a power up in episode 76 and we haven't quite seen the extent of it yet, if he's going toe to toe with Basil then he's Majin Buu level which makes sense with how Toei power scales humans up to the last greatest villain
>Frieza Saga, Z-fighters are Recoome level
>Cell Saga, Tien is Semi-Perfect Cell level, other humans thrown to the wayside because DB was supposed to end soon anyways
>Buu Saga, Z-Fighters are End of Cell Saga Pikkon level
>DB Super, Z-Fighters are Majin Buu level
at this rate they're going to be Beerus level
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>>154751077
That was filler wasn't it?
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>>154751024
He knows he's going to get BLACKED by the real god of destruction.
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Goku's drive to perfect SSBKK will bring his Kaioken mastery to a whole new level that will allow him to be at his former SSB level in his base and will not need to use SSB at all in the tournament anymore
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>>154750936
>this much asspained buzzword faggotry in 1 post
hahahahaha
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>>154751036
Yeah, just like they ACTUALLY believe we're getting Vegetto White because one newfag was dumb enough to think an old keychain commercial meant anything and is now trying to play it off as le ebin troll xD.
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>>154751074
fuck off DBZ pedro
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>>154751096
The whole anime is filler
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>>154751096
Yeah I believe it was filler, but we're talking about Toei here, and its anime, where filler IS canon to the anime and they run with whatever.

Chances are in the manga they're going to skip this training stuff and stick to what's canon only to the manga.
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>>154750592
>>B-bra is from GT, retard!
Wut? She was in the final chapter of the manga.
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>>154750926
No.

Remember, Whis asked Goku as a SSG if he wanted to be a god of destruction, despite SSG being FAR below Beerus's level.
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>>154751106
So basically "Mystic" Goku?
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>>154751094
I shouldn't complain much, I always wanted the humans to be more relevant.
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>>154751106
ssgkk
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>>154751106
>SSBKK

fanfiction is frowned upon on 4chan
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>>154751084
Trust me, thousands of people seriously believed so. Though they were the same ones who thought EoZ = GT, so... You know. Normies.
>>154751137
That's his point. And yes, some people really were that retarded.
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>>154751137
The DBZ finale too.
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>>154750696
Blame Toei Phills and Kitano for this garbage
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>>154751169
t. DBS thread
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so only goons from the same planet can compete? that's unfair for universes without faggot justice teams or planets full of illegal aliens.
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What were the geometric shapes at the end where the angel dude is explaining something?
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>>154751144
Yeah he's going to go back to using Kaioken. Then at the end of the arc he's going to challenge Beerus to fight this time using his new Kaioken and SSB
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>>154750969
Manga Vegeta went in with a clear mission to get over his weakness.
Anime Vegeta went in and magically became powerful even after establishing the fact 3 years barely helped.
Do not respond to me you dumb ningen.
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>>154751202
Building blocks of the arena.
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>>154751106

He just will go SSJBKK x30 against ayylmao
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>>154751096
>>154751135

I mean at this point it's only speculation from what I saw, it could be meditation training from what another anon mentioned earlier.

Goku said nothing to do with training during the next episode preview so I honestly can't help you there, sorry.
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>>154751192
cant argue with that one.
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>>154751106
I wish. It would be amazing to see Goku fighting in his base form against people he needed to use SSB against
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>>154751222
He can't even go up to X10 without getting gigantic muscle spasms, Toei clearly wants the audience to know that the next transformation isn't just a kaioken boost and it wouldn't surprise me to see it just be Super Saiyan Blue 2 because Toei is a bunch of lazy uncreative hacks
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>>154750419
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holy shit everyone is getting a power up
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>>154751106
>Wanting Vegeta to get cucked harder
Why
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I used to be addicted to dbs threads but you guys are throwing me off imma go back to
>>>/lgbt/ see ya there anons
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>>154751045
>episode

read the manga.
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Synopsis?
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>>154750799
>SSGSS
>not SSG
Are you retarded?

>constantly transforming is draining on the person regardless of training so it isn't feasible.
OK Toriyama if you say so
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>>154751301
I'm a Gokufag I don't give a shit about Vegeta.
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>>154751295
Especially white haired Vegito.
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>>154751315
Goku won
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Goku stomping on Jobbo's face was pretty satisfying
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>My nigga Krilin fighting Basil in the preview

MYSTIC
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T
I
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>>154751315
Find smugpup's post earlier up in the thread he summed it up pretty well and understands Japanese.
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>>154751310
Stop shit posting in there. One of my fav boards
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>>154751106
So that wasn't be a placeholder transformation? Then again Toei has been pushing Kaioken so what you're saying is plausible
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Fucking Goku talked like Black at the beginning of the episode gave me chills.
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>>154751213
>Manga Vegeta went in with a clear mission to get over his weakness.
A weakness he should have overcome during those three years with Goku who already knew about the flaws of SSB.

>Anime Vegeta went in and magically became powerful
>magically
How is regular training magical?
Am I magic because I go to the gym?

Seriously though that's what happens when you train. You get stronger and Vegeta had a straight power boost.
In the manga however he just magically learned how not to lose stamina with each transformation despite the fact that the major flaw with it being that it's not a transformation that can be used over and over.
Whis literally says this.
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YUMM OISHI GOOD FOOD GOES SSBKKWBSS2 THAT ISNT EVEN MY FINAL FORM UUUUUUAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NEXT WEEK ON DRAGON BALL Z
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>>154751282
That was before. Besides in the original he nearly killed himself using Kaiokenx4 but after overcoming that he was able to use Kaiokenx10. I'm expecting the same thing to happen again
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>>154751315
Goku is a dick who thinks him alone can take on everyone without a team.

Goku is the typical DPS shitter kid who rushes to his death.
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>>154751343
Wish Goku wasn't such a ningen
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>>154751403
Can't*
My mistake, I'm also playing Xenoverse while I post.
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Where the fuck are the subs?
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>>154750287
why does he look like a purple scooby
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>>154749623
>Vegeta beats a Goku again
Black did his best. A true prodigy to even get one win over Vegeta in that body. I applaud him. In the end, 1-2 is the best he could do. Still, better than losing 0-2 like the real Goku (or Ginyu with 0-1 in that body).
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So both Zeno and his guard use Bye'cha.
Kinda makes you wonder if they met Arale at some point.
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So is Goku still being a prick?
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>>154751418
SSBKK isn't a transformation. It's just him applying one of his signature techniques to a Super Saiyan form that gives him perfect ki control. I don't understand why you guys seem to hate SSBKK so much. I always thought Kaioken would return once we learned about the benefits of god ki
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>>154751403
>Vegeta mastered SSB in 4 years

Based Vegeta
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Leave retarded overpowered monkeys and purple contract killers to me.
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Remember when Goku created FPSSJ?
Neither does he
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>>154751497
> meme power is real
Sry for doubting you
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>>154751403
This is one of the things I seriously just disrespect the manga for. It was a terrible choice all around.
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>>154751497
>In the end, 1-2 is the best he could do

It's 2-2.
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>>154751143
Goku absorbed the power of SSG into his own body which meant that it would be easy for Whis to train him as Beerus' replacement. That offer has more to do with Goku gaining the power to hold his own against Beerus despite being inexperienced with god ki. Toppo tanked a SSB Kamehameha without having to power-up to 100%. Toppo is much stronger than RoF SSG Goku, so he should be deep in the process of becoming a GoD.

As it stands, Jiren's stronger than current Goku and Toppo.
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>>154751545
> I don't understand why you guys seem to hate SSBKK so much
Vegetafags. You know it's Vegeta's fault for not having any decent techniques.
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>>154750594
So any news about smugpup?
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>>154749806
>>Beerus thinks Toppo's hero posturing is stupid. Gohan thinks it's cool.
Oh god, I can see a fight between Toppo and Great Saiyaman already, complete with all the posturings.
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>>154751582
The worst part is that there are people here who genuinely believe that's not shitting on Vegeta. At the very least in the anime they didn't impose an arbitrary power drain.
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>>154751403
>A weakness he should have overcome during those three years with Goku who already knew about the flaws of SSB.
Why? If he can't do something by a training of 3 years he can't do it via 4 years in total? Are you on drugs?

>In the manga however he just magically learned how not to lose stamina
Just like Goku just magically learned how to go SS Grade 2 and 3? And magically learned how to go SS3?
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>>154751603
Someone doesn't understand what Kaioken is. The tournament is only 48 minutes long so Goku's going to be spamming Kaioken
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>>154751545
because it breaks the powerlevel autists, tierfags and whatever unit of measurement of strength they fucking use to compare shit from shit.
cant wait until kaioken appears and btfo tany naysayers in the manga
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>>154751606
Phbbbt haha stop it there's not going to be anything I imagine on the doggo character for at least a month. I mean I'll be drawing silly stuff of him in the meantime but please don't get too attached to a character I'm just having fun with.
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>>154751213
So did anime vegeta, except the goal of his training isn't contrived as shit just for fanservices sake.

SSJG is objectively inferior in every way, toyotaro needed a off-panel retcon to try and make sense of it being used at all, and it's still contrived as hell because the only real drawback to blue was the fact it drained stamina, something vegeta could have focused on overcoming instead.
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>>154751604
>Galick Gun, Big Bang Attack, and Final Flash
Vegeta really does suck
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Manga Goku black was just Vegetta finally winning against goku same shit with "frost"
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>>154751720
Hey, he knows how to blow himself up and turn to stone.
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>>154751675
It's like you weren't at last thread. He did improve his timer, but it still wasn't much. Using God's little stamina drain in conjuction with bursts of Blue's power and speed makes for a nice combo
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>>154751675
>SSJG is objectively inferior in every way
Tell that to Toriyama who said SSB drains a lot of stamina :^)

>off-panel retcon
So you doesn't know what "retcon" means
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>>154751738
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>>154751745
>turn to stone.
Never understood that one
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>>154751807
That was just something added in to make Vegeta's sacrifice look dramatic, like Goku Black getting a scythe because "I dunno it just looks cool"
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>>154750383
>implying super even has power levels
its just retarded fanfiction, stop trying to give it power levels like Z
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>>154751675
>contrived as shit just for fanservices sake
>It's ok when it's Kaioken!!!!
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>>154751640
Honestly I find it a bigger insult to Hit. It makes the entire arc a pointless venture with no real purpose.
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>>154751659

well I want to marry and make love to your version of smugpup and make love to him if youre ok with that
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>>154751807
Personally (headcanon warning) I always figured he just turned into densely packed ash, which is why bits kept falling off afterwards and he blew away in the wind.
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>>154750799
Toyo is apparently going the FPSS route AT once did (making up some notable drain/strain *that fans latch onto for explanation on KK being dropped when it was just Akira doing Toriyama things* that needed to be 'trained away').

I don't remember the issue of SSB being a constant drain (just activation cost), so I find this conservation method question for that reason even before considering SSG Vegeta is able to keep up with SSR Black before using this 'switch flipping' approach (not too unlike conservative use of KK).
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>>154751874
Uuuh... umm... ok... I guess?

(screams internally)
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>subs not out yet
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>>154751651
>Why?
One, because Goku himself realised what a drain the form was so unless he pulled an absolute dick move and didn't tell Vegeta solely to see him fail I doubt he wouldn't have come across it while training.
Two, again back to Goku he tends to focus on overcoming the weaknesses of a form which is why he chose not to go with Grade 2 and 3 because it sacrificed speed for power. So once again unless he was pulling the biggest dick move they both would have come across it.

Also that makes Vegeta look as dumb as a rock if it took him 4 years to realise what Goku did in possibly less than 3

>Just like Goku just magically learned how to go SS Grade 2 and 3?
You do realise he was training with Gohan right. Same goes with Trunks and Vegeta.
If anything this part makes Vegeta improving on his own considerably less believable especially since his character is to just power through things. I mean, find me an instance of Vegeta training where he wasn't just trying to push himself to his limits in some way.

>And magically learned how to go SS3?
Over the course of, what, seven years of training with King Kai as opposed to 1?
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WHERE THEM SUBS
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>>154751720
Let's look at Goku. He has the Kamehameha, Afterimage technique, Kaioken, Spirit Bomb, Solar Flare, and Instant Transmission as his signature techniques. He's also psychic although that portion of his powers are overshadowed by his physical abilities
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>>154751789
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>>154751917
from behind, give him a reach around and grab his bulge and massage it until he makes a little mess in his tight clothes of which I will proceed to lick and suck it off
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>>154751972
To be fair he hasn't really created any moves as much as he's innovated or combined others like the bending, feet or warp Kamehameha
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>>154751789
>>154752000
too much emotional damage can ruin a relationship
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Why is Beerus a dog in the episode?
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>>154751853
Z went retarded by the time when SSJ Gotenks > Super Perfect Cell
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>>154749733
>screenshotting your own fanfic
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Black and Zamasu were easily BTFO in every way in the manga
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>>154752034
(AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA)
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>>154751959
The problem with Vegeta is that his idea of training is just gravity training while Goku does all sorts of stuff. See if it was Goku pulling this flickering stuff of it's believable but it's hard to believe Vegeta was able to do this. Vegeta's a good fighter but he always sucked at training
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>>154752062
Too many scooby snacks.
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>>154751074
Muh fights....
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>>154752075
It's a shame.
Black and Zamasu being smug as fuck was really the better part of the arc in the anime.

>tfw no cabin tea time
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>>154752075
I actually imagine that merged Zamasu was supposed to get the broken Zenkai gimmick but Toei fucked up and gave it to Black. It makes sense though, Merged can heal any and all injuries thus continually giving him Zenkai's
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>can't watch it on Crunchyroll anymore without being a Premium user
Well.. it was a good few months while it lasted I guess.

Now back to having to use KissAnime to watch it every week and wait longer.
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>>154752049
>goes to shit

This the same guy who made the sailor-mouthed Zeno?
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>>154751789
New reaction image detected.
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>>154752107
Vegeta basically put all of his points into STR.
Goku is STR with a bit of DEX and (fighting)INT.
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>>154752039
Who cares if he hasn't created any? Vegeta didn't create galick gun either and it's his only good technique. Also Goku improved his techniques so much they might as well be new. For example Goku was never meant to go beyond Kaioken x2
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>>154752072

>he doesn't like gotenks
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>>154752152
>EATING FUCKING PUDDING
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>>154752163
It's perfect for this situation
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>>154751566
It was your faith in AT's will that wavered.

>>154751585
>2-2
Ah, yes. I'd forgotten the instant rematch (post-Senzu). Thanks for the reminder. Even more praiseworthy. Let's hear it for Mr. Rose.
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>>154752087
oh smugpup sama why are you blushing like that maybe if I rub and lick it faster it will get messier i see you blushing there you dirty puppy you
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>>154752181
In terms of techniques its Roshi>Gotenks>Tien>Goku>Piccolo>Krillin>everyone else
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>Crunchyroll is down
PANIC
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>>154752264
Galactic Donuts will always be one of my favourite techniques.
Always make it a thing for my CaC to have it.
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>>154751188
>Phils
>Nii Hirotaka, Tsukuma Takenori, Funaki Shoichi, Hong Beom-seok, Jin Xinyou, Pu Qi Bi, Pu Yumei, Sawada Hironori, Taniguchi Moriyasu Nishikawa Masato, Oka Tatsuya, Kasai Saori, Zhuo Shuixian, Li Jiayong, Sheng Junhao, Li Xinghe, Yin Renxing, Mido Douga
Nope, it was the chineses and koreans this time. Interesting to see that Kitano is uncredited.
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>>154752168
Which is weird since he is the guy who keeps shooting ki blast all over the place
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>>154752123
>>tfw no cabin tea time
They had tea time last chapter tho
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>>154752255
Stop. I'm leaving. Have fun.
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>>154750603
>Vegeta switching forms
oh bot more outsourced shit from Toyotaro DBAF doujin fanfic
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>>154752323

>tfw he'll never do anything in super
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>>154752062
Anime R
Nii Hirotaka (Supervisor) Tsukuma Takenori Funaki Shoichi Sawada Hironori Taniguchi Moriyasu Nishikawa Masato Oka Tatsuya

Mido Douga
Jin Xinyou Pu Qi Bi Pu Yumei Zhuo Shuixian Li Jiayong Sheng Junhao Li Xinghe Yin Renxing

Freelancers
Hong Beom-seok Kasai Saori

2nd Key Animators (Toei Staff)
Kitano Yukihiro Inaba Jin Nikaido Atsushi Sasakado Nobuyoshi Itai Hiroyuki (Supervisor) Tu Yeong-chaek

So really, this was totally outsourced aside from the 2nd key animators and two of the supervisors. This arc is off to one of the most bizarre starts in terms of staff lists.
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>>154752380
>last time we saw him he was BTFO'd by Googeta
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Crunchyroll isn't working, fuck!
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>>154751785
I know you're retarded but that's exactly the one reason I'm calling out his training goals as contrived.

SSJG is unecessary, focusing on being able to switch a stronger form on and off is beyond pointless when you could be focusing on training the stronger form so it doesn't drain stamina instead.


>you don't know what a retcon means

It'sa blatant backpedal on toybles part, you're willfully obstuse if you can't see this.

If he always had the idea that such a weakness could be overcome with training he wouldn't have made it such a critical factor in his fight against Hit.

Or he would have at least atttempted to hint towards that weakness coming from lack of mastery of the form before it became plot relevant.
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>>154752289
>Crunchyroll always crashes or giving errors after DBS episode is out on their site now
DBS is a mistake.
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>>154752392
Not only was it made by a sweatshop in the Philippines Kitano is trash as well.
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>>154750557
fuck off shill
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>>154752350
Eh, ki is more like physical power transferred into an energy though.
INT would be more smarts and magic.
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>>154752377
The fact that you actually read AF enough to be able to pull these references out on demand is honestly worse than Toyble reusing them.
At least he had the excuse of wasting so much time making them that they'd be stuck in some corner of his mind. You're just like an ex-fanboy trying his hardest to prove how much you totally aren't a fanboy anymore.
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>Goku starts to struggle in the tournament
>Has to use SSBKK to keep up
>He has to continuously go further beyond his previous level
>We get flashbacks of King Kai's training
>Once Goku wins he uses the Super Dragon Balls to revive King Kai
Screencap this. That filler about reviving King Kai wasn't for nothing
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>>154752441
>It'sa blatant backpedal on toybles part,
Not it isn't you idiot, going from Ningen to Blue is the source of the problem, Flickering from different god forms don't overlap or contradict anything.
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>>154752454
>tfw pay for CR Premium because I like to support shit I like, and this kind of stuff happens
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>>154752377
I just realised something.
Vegeta's tail is constantly growing a retracting into his body by rapidly transforming like that.
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>>154751874
>>154752034
>>154752255

Goddamnit anon I came in my pants a little reading that and now I have to go change. Thanks for nothing.
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>>154752511
>going from Ningen to Blue is the source of the problem

When is this ever said or hinted in the manga?
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>>154752289
Daisuki is working fine and has the episode up.
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DB is too popular for CR to handle
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>>154752522
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>>154752532
>When is this ever said or hinted in the manga?
That's literally what Vegeta did, at no point does Vegeta ever power down to ningen Ki in the new chapter.
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>>154750419
>Bulma has blue hair
>kid Trunks has purple hair
>Future Trunks has blue hair
>Bra has light blue hair
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>>154752522
That must feel pretty weird.
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>>154752555
You're avoiding the question, where is it stated that it's transforming from base to Blue that causes the drain and not just Blue in general because both in the Tournament arc and this one imply that it's blue in general.
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Quick, post all types of Bra!
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>>154752049
And this is another shit i disliked about Toyotaro, he doesn't knows how to use the villains other than "lol generic movie villain"
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>>154752590
When you impregnate someone in SSB the child inherits the god hair color. Yes Goku is the father
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>>154752599
I imagine it's like sticking out your tongue rapidly but down by your ass.
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CR is working now.

See ya guys until I'm done watching.
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>>154752510
That would pretty cool
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>>154751545
>just a technique
He's done well with King Kai's boosting ability, but AT seems to prefer it forgotten perhaps for a reason not unlike this >>154751657

No good reason exists for losing it (or tails), but we did (in canon). Toei just opts to remember it despite it not being in AT's notes for Super (same as they had in Z's filler).

Really, Goku should have lost the passive Oozaru from SKW (which is also how he learned to sense ki *where Vegeta asspull'd it* as is necessary to even perform IT later on) so he could keep KK (dropping to 1/10th, but being comfortable with passive KKx10 *as against Frieza* makes up for it and leaves room for as much as KKx20 before blowing himself out *where a 'low strain' transformation like FPSS was concerned anyway, but I suppose SSG might be in a similar position*).
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>>154750295
He's mad, 2 xenos
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>>154752616
No, GT and Multishit can fuck off, post every other Bra
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>>154752610
Goku specifically states Vegeta overcame the downfall of Blue by "extreme training" this new chapter.
That means he worked on his own weakness to overcome it. Shin even mentions here it's the same thing Goku did to reserve Ki by going into God form first.

http://mangastream.com/r/dragon_ball_super/022/4114/26
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>>154751959
Looks like you are clearly confusing and pushing your headcanon... Know about the cooldown doesn't mean the can just come across it.
Vegeta has been training his SSB form for 4 years in RoSaT and you're going sperg because he wasn't able to ignore the cooldown until the 4th year, that's all. Do you realize how stupid you sound? Do (You) think a 3 years training would be enough? (You) don't write the manga as Toriyama and Toyotaro do, so whatever you think doesn't matter.

>You do realise he was training with Gohan right.
What the fuck are you talking about? Goku didn't training until realize they needed to focus on regular SS. Goku didn't move a muscle before go Grade 2 also even if he trained, what about it? How is that relevant to our discussion at all?

>Vegeta being that smart isn't believable
You have no argument here, then

>Over the course of, what, seven years of training with King Kai as opposed to 1?
Yeah, exactly. A time of X make some results, more time makes more and better results. I can be as stupid as you and say "if he already trained in the Other World 1 year why he got new and better results via a 7 years training?" Goku needed 8 years of training in the Other world until be able to go SS2 and SS3, 1 wasn't enough, and Vegeta needed 4 years of training in RoSaT until be able to ignore SSB's cooldown, 3 weren't enough.
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>>154752616
>>154752740
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Reminder that Goku's name is "Gokou"
Beerus is "Beers"
Buu is "Boo"
Mr. Satan real name is "Mark"
17 and 18 names are "Lapis" and "Lazuli"
and nobody knows Turtle Hermit's name, same about his sister
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>>154752809
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>Great episode
>Great manga chapter

Good time to be a Dragon Ball fan
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Cell and Freiza will be offered to fight no doubt.

They are literally too strong to ignore.
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>>154751604
KK is alright, but got dropped. SB is probably the least efficient named ki attack of all time (struggling to work on an ideal target with a huge power advantage *Mystic Gohan and other energies piled on to a mere Kid Buu*). I'm sure something could be done with it, but Goku seems to lack in creativity in Z and beyond (about as good as it got there was IT with Kamehameha the one time). Ultimately, neither saved him against Vegeta.

IT is nice, but won't work if he cannot sense a signature to go to (though that hardly comes up). Might be wise to learn the kai version (even if energy drain comes with the loss of the restriction he works with currently). This too failed to save Goku against Vegeta.

Kamehameha is a pretty poor ki attack to keep as the signature special in your arsenal. Even Dodon Ray is better (not to mention Tri-Beam *heavy ki drain as the downside*). A mere 2.2x modifier is outclassed by Vegeta's 2.93x modifier (low-balling it, mind you). Piccolo's SBC was ~3.26x (just a bit of charge to that though). To think that even with a 33% advantage, Goku could not overtake Vegeta using his beam (while he was dominating using melee thanks to that PL advantage). It took a 77% gap to overpower in that exchange, yet still no damage of note was done to Vegeta (who was hit dead-on). Sad.

>>154751651
>SS3
Now there's a shit show of a transformation. All the shit Trunks gets for pumping his little muscles can't compare to Goku being told his mistake, still doing it (multiple times) and taking pride in the flawed form (while never using it effectively).
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>>154752848
>>Great episode
it wasn't animation was shit toeishilll
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Why does Beerus look like Scooby Doo?
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>>154750468
>vegeta blew up the hyperbolic time chamber

I don't remember this
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>>154752377
Keep trying, toeidog. >>154750557
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>>154751952
I am figuratively shaking right now.
It got cold while I took a nap.
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>>154752753
>http://mangastream.com/r/dragon_ball_super/022/4114/26
You do realise you've just posted the retcon right?
Before there was an activation cost on subsequent transformations, here its changed to one that occurs over time.
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>>154752899
His usual actor was sick while they were filming the episode so they had Scooby's actor fill in for him since he had originally applied for the part back in Battle of Gods.
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>>154752765
It's unbelievable that Vegeta was able to come up with a decent training regime. This is the guy who's training consists of running around in a gravity chamber. A retarded character suddenly being smart is terrible writing
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>>154752848
>great manga chapter

Yeah if you like traced panels, boring characters, shitty fights, and asspulls up the ass
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>>154752753
That's nice, but
>going from Ningen to Blue is the source of the problem

When is this ever stated?

It's not being hinted at all either.
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>>154752959
He's never going to accept that Toyble is a worse writer than Tori. Just leave him to play in his own shit.
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>>154752949
>Training to overcome a weakness
>"I-It's a retcon!! xD"
Here's your last (You)
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>>154752878
There were some bad looking parts in the manga too, however I enjoyed both because I'm not some retard who limits myself to enjoying one version
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>>154752992
You just described the anime.
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>>154752853
Where are you pulling these retarded numbers from
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>>154752363
You're probably gone by now but thanks for translating stuff again.
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>>154743235
Okay, no, seriously, where the hell did these scans come from?
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>>154752853
>All the shit Trunks gets for pumping his little muscles can't compare to Goku being told his mistake, still doing it (multiple times) and taking pride in the flawed form (while never using it effectively).
Honestly, it's a little more justifiable in Goku's case because he was dead in all but one instance of using it in the Buu arc.
So basically he just wasn't aware of how much of a strain it was while alive compared to being dead.
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Hit being nerfed in the manga really just kinda shits on both Vegeta and Hit at the same time.
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>>154752853
Spirit Bomb is great because it doesn't require any ki from the user
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>>154751720
A good sweet of self-made finishers to be sure. Too bad about his habit of not re-using moves. Well, named ones.

>>154751738
>finally winning
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>>154753018
That's a retcon anon.
Blue's original detriment is completely gone and replaced with one that works over time.
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It's becoming pretty obvious that the Grand Priest is evil, right?
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>>154752511
Again,
>Or he would have at least atttempted to hint towards that weakness coming from lack of mastery of the form before it became plot relevant.

Even if your speculation had ground to stand on it doesn't negate the fact he only thought of making the explanation a long time after the weakness was introduced, which shows he is backpedaling.
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>>154752853
When he was dead SS3 was a great transformation
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>>154753078
https://mega.nz/#F!rItnharI!7VOLikPE-IkyjLPfLChSFg
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>>154753105
>kinda shits on both Vegeta and Hit at the same time.
No. Only Hit.
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>Ep. 85 "Goku visits the god Dende in order to learn the location of Android no.17. Meanwhile, the Kaioshins of all the universes participating in the “ The Tournament of Power” gather in Universe 11."

What are we going to do for 4 weeks minimum while we wait for the battle royal to start?
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>>154753125
How is it gone? He clearly worked hard to make it less of a stamina drain by going into the RoSaT to train to overcome it.
Not only that he's only going into Blue for brief moments of time.
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>>154750274
Why tho?
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>>154753048
No, I didn't, you fucking retard.
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>>154753174

The same thing we do every week?
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>>154751972
>He's also psychic
He uses his psychic powers throughout the anime and mangaalthough they were in the background. The only thing he never using again was his power to read minds
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>>154753141
as obvious as the menace of son goku
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>>154753152
>H-He's backpedalling because he made new unexplored stuff for a new chapter!
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>>154753200
Try to take over the board?
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>>154753196
Manga has no tracing, Anime has confirmed tracing (SSJ Grade form Trunks)
Toeishills will never recover.
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>>154753141
>Having to serve two annoying children now because of Gary "Trunks" Sue
I would be mad too
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>>154753245
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>>154753166
Wow. Thank you very much.
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>>154753280
>"I-It's okay when Toei does it! xD"
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>>154753177
>to train to overcome it.
>Not only that he's only going into Blue for brief moments of time.
That's the thing anon, the drain came from subsequent transformations as opposed to an extended one like it's implied in this arc.

So even if he had reduced the stamina cost of subsequent transformations it still would have a hell of a toll on Vegeta because he's doing it so many times over the course of one fight.

But that isn't happening.
He's transforming without losing any power at all. That cost was completely removed.

Think of it like this
Originally SSB was a toll booth every time you accessed it you would pay a toll in stamina.
Now it works like fuel for a car.
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>>154752853

>All the shit Trunks gets for pumping his little muscles

That was only shit because it made him 2slow. SSJ3 just takes too much energy.
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>>154753245
>Anime has confirmed tracing (SSJ Grade form Trunks)
Oh no Toei traces themselves while it's okay Toyo traces Toriyama's art
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Fuck, what's that other site that does the subs that's like Crunchyroll?
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>>154752441
>SSG is unecessary
Again, tell that to Toriyama. SSG is a bit weaker but totally balanced, can work with SSB.

>so it doesn't drain stamina instead.
So you writte the manga and they can do such a thing? Because according to Toyotaro, looks like not.

>It'sa blatant backpedal on toybles part, you're willfully obstuse if you can't see this.
Dude being that pedantic and stupid isn't healthy.

>If he always had the idea that such a weakness could be overcome with training he wouldn't have made it such a critical factor in his fight against Hit.
Why? He needed make Vegeta lose because Toriyama, also what's your fucking argument? How do you think Toriyama wrote? "oh, I want this to happen but doesn't work with some thing I wrote time ago... well this panel will explain how it changed", that's not a retcon. Goku and Gohan being used to his SS forms (no stress) is a retcon? Is Vegetto defusing inside Boo a retcon? Perfect Cell not having #18 inside him is a retcon? They wrote and when something change they explain why in the story, that's not a retcon.
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>>154753303
>Originally SSB was a toll booth every time you accessed it you would pay a toll in stamina.
Tollbooth analogy doesn't work because clearly just like Shin stated, going God Form is the key to bypassing the stamina issue of revving straight into Blue like Whis stated previously.
There is barely a toll between going from Red to Blue.
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>>154753334
>Again, tell that to Toriyama.
Did Toriyama actually say anything like this?
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>>154749758
>implying Toppo isn't /ourguy/
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>>154750603
>Jobgeta trains a year to defeat Black and still gets surprised by Zamasu's kick and he gets too cocky, giving time to Zamasu and Black to fuse
Getting some Cell flashbacks here.
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>>154753321
>Toei traces themselves
That's clearly Toriyama's manga panel you dumb fuck.
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>>154752992
>Yeah if you like traced panels, boring characters, shitty fights, and asspulls up the ass

Yeah, I love it. That's why I watch the anime, has a lot of that stuff.
>>
SUBS ARE OUT
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>>154753356
>like Whis stated previously.
Whis stated previously that transforming into Blue in multiple times general would take it's toll on the user.
Where is it said that God takes less of a toll?
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>>154752959
>>154753013
>Vegeta is a retarded, being able to come up with a decent training regime is terrible writing!
Are you THAT assblasted?
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>>154753334
Toriyama's SSG existed to give Goku a taste of God ki. Toyo's SSG is awful because he nerfed SSB to include SSG
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>>154753386
It could be worse, he could have dropped the earring like Gohan
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>>154753433
>Where is it said that God takes less of a toll?
Shin describes what Vegeta is doing as what Goku did to conserve stamina in the new chapter.
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>>154753437
>Toei shills
>assblasted
Ofc they are
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>>154753391
It didn't even fit retard
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>>154750357
>>154750280
>>154750146
>>154751371
samefag
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>>154753356
>going God Form is the key to bypassing the stamina issue of revving straight into Blue like Whis stated previously.
>There is barely a toll between going from Red to Blue.

Again, this is speculation, nowhere is it stated that going from the red to blue wo
uld mitigate the weakness.

If it did the training was pointless as he would've been able to do so from the beginning.
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>>154753487
(You)
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>>154753462
Shin only makes a comment into it being the same thing Goku did.
Nothing about God to Blue being less of a strain.
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>>154753458
Even jodgeta admits Gohan is better than him.
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>>154751972
>afterimage
Cute.

>Kamehameha
Shit.

>KK
Dropped. Pity, really.

>SB
Dreadful efficiency with power gathered, limited to strength of surrounding when individuals surpass this now, long charge relative to other moves, etc. As a power gathering move it is a thing to consider, but how it is used is still awful (especially given the need for the target to actually be evil enough to not just slap it back *as a pure evil being nearly did with simple brute force while the SB had power vastly exceeding the target in it*). Cannot be shit on enough.

>Solar Flare
This utility technique from Tien isn't bad, certainly. Not sure why Goku didn't learn Dodon Ray and Tri-Beam (replace Roshi's life's work *dog piss by comparison*). Maybe he isn't good enough. Took him a bit to even mimic flight from Tien.

>IT
Nice utility, but under-utilized by Goku. Needs to consider learning the kai version for times when he cannot sense where he wants to go.

NOTE: You forgot Goku used a generic ki disc (something Krillin embarrassingly dubbed as if a unique move he made).

>psychic
Too bad AT forgot this as quickly as he made it up.

>>154752039
>created no moves
Correct.

>creative use
Less of that in Z.

>>154752181
>who cares
You.

>didn't create GG
What proof do you offer from canon?

>only good technique
You saying he used BB and FF over GG just for giggles? FF is clearly more powerful. Shall you argue from the anime against it, then?

>improved his techniques
If only he did something about how terrible Kamehameha and SB are. Really, the former just needs to be put out to pasture.
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>>154752992
>traced...
Another toeishill doesn't know what "tracing" means?

>... boring characters, shitty fights, asspulls
Oh, I see. You just misspelled "anime": >>154753280
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So this is why Toriyama doesn't introduce something new to the franchise, fans get butthurt if they get something they don't understand
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>>154753559
And yet Vegeta didn't drop the earring like Jobhan.
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>>154753437
In the original all he did was train in a gravity chamber. He was so bad that he needed Babidi to buff him so he could fight SS2 Goku. How do you expect me to believe that Vegeta was somehow able to come up with an effective training regime?
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>>154753438
>he nerfed SSB
Yeah, explain how, toeishill.
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>>154753559
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>>154753596
And he was still like that by the time of BoG mind you.
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>>154753462
>Shin
If it was Whis I'd believe you but if that's weak fuck then no
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>>154749876
kek
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>>154752637
>to use the villains other than "lol generic movie villain"
That's a step up from Zamasu.
>>
Remember, there are no other fighters in Universe 7 stronger than Tien, Master Roshi, Krillin and the two androids. Literally nobody.
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>>154751074
How the fuck did you ever watch DBZ if five minutes of talking is too much?
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>>154753105
>nerfed
Why toeishills doesn't know what any word means?
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>>154753330
YouTube?
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>>154749910
>tfw he has the same naming scheme of attacks as Toppo

Really makes you think.
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>>154753516
Nice ass
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>>154753437
It's actually a valid point.
His training methods are inferior to Goku's in every way and this is shown time and time again by the gap in their power even as of now.
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>>154753563
Galick Gun is King Vegeta's technique
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>>154753618
>can't transform multiple times without suffering a 90% power decrease
>suddenly has SSJ3 tiers of energy drain and can't be maintained for long
Nigga do you know what nerfing is?
Toyble has actively made the form worse
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Alright guys, you know the drill.
If Gohan doesn't at least knock out 2 opponents in the tournament I will Post my address
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>>154753585
Yup!
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>>154753365
Toriyama scale from BoG was still a thing in RoF since Whis said Goku and Vegeta fighting together would be a strong enough combo to fight Beerus even if they can't do it separately. If SSG Goku was a 6 and Beerus was 10, then SSB was supposed to be not even twice stronger than SSG. DBS wasn't even a thing when RoF arrived, Toyotaro only use the same logic about forms (even if Beerus is clearly retconned to be stronger than Goku no matter how strong he become), SSB is a bit stronger than SSG but (as Toriyama outline from Champa arc say) it have more drain problems, so SSG is the efficent one and SSB the strongest one.
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WHERE ARE THE LEAAAAAKS
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>>154753646
>>154753646
the two androids were stronger then Frieza, the guy so strong no one in the whole fucking universe could challenge him besides Buu and Beerus.

You do have a point about Tien, Roshi, and Krillin though

But even then, Krillin, and Tien are above Ginyu force level now.... and the Ginyu force were the strongest guys in the universe that no one but Frieza could challenge them.
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>>154753563
And here comes the assblasted Vegetafag
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>>154753280
Holy shit
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>>154753438
>he nerfed SSB
You mean like how in the anime, Hit, a furry and some Green lantern knock off can match SSB's power multiplied?

Or how SS2 Trunks did better than SSB Goku vs Future Zamasu in episode 57?
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>>154753731
Okay so where's the source about the stamina drain from Tori?
You know what a source is right?
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>>154753563
>psychic
He clearly used psychic abilities from the Piccolo jr. Saga to the Cell Saga.
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>>154753697
Not shown in manga lmao, or even implied he used it
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>>154753736
check niggerstream
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>>154752511
If he's going to Blue to attack, why waste time with SSG at all? Besides Toyotaro's obvious boner for the form.
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>>154752264
>Roshi techniques
Kamehameha is nothing to be proud of (least of all taking 50 years to make what so many others copy in a moment). Crane Hermit has better techniques, really. Roshi's master did impart Mafuba, true. Who can say with some of the others.

>Gotenks
The ghosts are a cute idea. Not really sure they should get high praise. The binding ki from his doughnuts is somewhat novel.

>Tien
Crane Hermit gave him a strong start.

>Piccolo
Certainly deserving of some praise, yes.

>Krillin
Why would he be on this list? Does he have any uniques of note? I remember some split-shot, but that's it. Ki disc is a generic move known by Frieza and Vegeta beforehand (Nappa was just a fool that needed the warning).

>>154752377
Amusing. AF, GT and now even DBM seem to influence Super.
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>>154753766
>introducing characters as strong as SSB Goku is nerfing SSB because they're the same level
What.
Are you retarded?

>Or how SS2 Trunks did better than SSB Goku vs Future Zamasu in episode 57?
You mean after Future Zamasu was absolutely demolished by the combined might of everyone and for a brief period, Vegito?
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This form when?
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Remember, there are no other fighters in Universe 7 stronger than Tien, Master Roshi, Krillin and the two androids. Literally nobody.
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>>154753802
>why waste time with SSG at all?
For a stable reserve of God Ki without the massive stamina drain. Every second spent in Blue counts.
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>>154753800
thanks
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>>154753854
Who is Dabura?
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>>154753829
>AF, GT and now even DBM seem to influence Super.
>GT
>DBM
What?

I get AF because Toyble pretty much has three tropes to his name. But there's nothing from GT or Multiverse.
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>>154753883
some ded guy.
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>>154753854
See
>>154753740
The androids are stronger then the guy who was the unmatched strongest in the universe outside of Buu and Beerus.

And Krillin and Tien could beat the group of guys who were the strongest guys under Frieza.
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>>154753883
Why isn't he in the tournament though
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>>154753766
>You mean like how in the anime, Hit, a furry and some Green lantern knock off can match SSB's power multiplied?

Why shouldn't they?
they're the cream of the crop of their respective universe and must have gone through instense training as well, you pretend someone being able to match goku would break suspension of disbelief when characters stronger than goku have always existed.
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>>154753847
>introducing characters as strong as SSBKaiokenx10
ftfy

>Are you retarded?
No but clearly you are.
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>>154753708
>can't transform multiple times without suffering a 90% power decrease
So? Goku use SSB once against Hit (so there's no cooldown in that fight) and he still use SSG. Also Vegeta have no cooldown anymore but he's using SSG.

>suddenly has SSB has SS3 tier of energy drain
But that's wrong, toeidog. Because
One, an unspecified big energy drain doesn't necessarily mean a SS3 tier one, that comes from your ass.
Two, SSB drain is from Toriyama's outline, Goku said there's a drain in the anime as well but Toei is too retarded to follow the outline so they just forgot and SSB is just SS with blue hair in the anime.
>>
Whats with all this foreshadowing Gohan's importance?
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>>154753787
Read some of Toriyama's interviews. It's a royal family technique
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>>154749623
migrate
>>154753151
>>154753151
>>154753151
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>>154753917
Because they didn't want to make it cool with villains in the mix.
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>>154753596
>How do you expect me to believe that Vegeta was somehow able to come up with an effective training regime?
How do you expect me to take that "argument" seriously?
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>>154753955
Doesn't Vegeta even mention that when Cabba uses it?
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>>154753766
The furry sucks on his own but his ability his to gain the power of his opponent. The others are the best of their respective universes
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>>154753829
Roshi knows a lot of techniques
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>154753690
Vegeta has been trained his SSB for 4 years, Goku only for 3. Maybe that's all Goku needs to ignore the cooldown, more time. You're acting like Vegeta is the new Jesus or something.
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>>154753829
>The ghosts are a cute idea. Not really sure they should get high praise
Are you retarded? He created sentient ki. That's actually really impressive
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>>154749973
Why would Vegeto be in the tournament?
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>>154753776
Goku saying there's a big stamina drain in SSB was in both versions you autist. Maybe you forgot because Toei totally ignore it?
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>>154750033
>job

Goku's attack literally only messed up the fabric on his shoulder.
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>>154753943
>So?
So that's the entire reason why Vegeta lost to Hit in the first place otherwise he would have broken through his time skip easily.

> Goku use SSB once against Hit (so there's no cooldown in that fight) and he still use SSG.
The keyword there being once. As opposed to multiple.

>Also Vegeta have no cooldown anymore but he's using SSG.
Yet he's constantly transforming into Blue with very little stamina cost contrary to the prior assertion that just transforming into Blue regardless has a massive toll.

>One, an unspecified big energy drain doesn't necessarily mean a SS3 tier one
You're right. It's arguably worse than SSJ3 now because they can't stay in it for more than a few seconds without incurring a huge drain. Plus Goku himself said it couldn't be maintained for long periods of time without exhausting your stamina quickly.

>SSB drain is from Toriyama's outline
Where is this outline and how does it describe the drain? Because in the manga we have now seen two different types of drain on the user and there's no consistency to it in the slightest.
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>>154750063
He's at least on par with SSB Goku, from all indication.

>>154750079
>BTFO Hippo

It didn't.
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Will we ever see glorious SSG Vegeta in the anime?

Also how come Goku keeps using Kaioken in the anime? What happened to the whole "if you do that again you could lose your ability to manipulate ki forever!" I don't remember that being corrected in any way, and he used it pretty needlessly against Bergamo.
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>>154754158
Source anon.
As in visible proof.

Post it in the new thread.
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>>154754229
>Also how come Goku keeps using Kaioken in the anime? What happened to the whole "if you do that again you could lose your ability to manipulate ki forever!"
That was because Goku used KKX10 against Hit.

At most, he has used KK, or KKX3
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>>154754229
>I don't remember that being corrected in any way
It hasn't.
Which is why he's been using it sparingly and never above x2.
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>>154752554
>LSSJ
>J
This aside, that's pretty gross looking.

>>154753065
>retarded
Review the fight with Raditz, then the first fight between Goku and Vegeta. For the former, see the PL of Goku (without weights) before and after using Kamehameha (same idea for Piccolo). With the latter bout, use this idea of what Kamehameha offers, apply it to KKx3 Goku and what it would take for Vegeta to draw him in their struggle.

NOTE: Sentences end with punctuation.

>>154753083
>more justifiable
Goku was told not to do it, but used basically the whole day of allotted life force in one mock battle. The next time, he had a living body in Other World. Dicked around again and was left stuck in base (while trying to draw upon power in futility). Allowing for Super, he repeats the second case against Billy Cat Man (and later Trunks *before trading the form out*). I don't know that Trunks would have made his mistake after being told it beforehand (much less repeat it multiple times).

>>154753107
>is great
It is the slowest charge of all, things have to be around to draw upon, needs co-operation from sentient beings for a larger portion, the power of celestial bodies and most life forms pales versus the scale of threats now, it doesn't work on good targets, it managed to do little despite overpowering two targets, SB with far more power than the pure evil Buu still needed Goku to push it home (wish required to get him healthy), etc.

>>154753162
>good when he was dead
No. It is only good when he's dead in Other World. It would be good elsewhere too if they gifted him enough life force to power it (and he didn't dick around), but that simply dodges the problem of the form (drain).
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>>154753955
Sauce?
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>>154753310
>too slow
A problem.

>too much energy
Another one. We're in agreement, then. Goku using his mistake repeatedly makes his error worse (especially with him being warned).
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>>154752590
Trunks having purple hair does make sense since Dr. Briefs has it
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>>154752959
AT notes him as the better fighter and leader (over Goku *though under Pickle Man*). He made the guy undefeated against Goku. Or hadn't you noticed?
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>>154754171
>So that's the entire reason why Vegeta lost to Hi
Again, so? Goku use SSG against Hit not because cooldown but cause SSB regular drain (which comes from Toriyama), so Toyotaro didn't changed SSB to use SSG, he doesn't need it.

>Yet he's constantly transforming into Blue with very little stamina cost
Because he trained for be able to do it, so?

>It's arguably worse than SSJ3 now because my ass say they can't stay in it for more than a few seconds
I see.

>Plus Goku himself said it couldn't be maintained for long periods of time without exhausting your stamina quickly.
Yeah he can't stand SSB so easily as he can with SS, which doesn't mean too much since he can keep using SS all time. "Long periods of time" is relative, just see how Vegeta use SSB the first time they go to the future.

>Where is this outline
Read the manga and watch the anime, stuff which is the same in both version is from Toriyama, and SSB stamina drain IS in the anime too.

>in the manga we have now seen two different types of drain on the user and there's no consistency to it in the slightest.
Because you say so, yeah I don't care.
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>>154754229
not canon
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>>154754337
>Goku was told not to do it, but used basically the whole day of allotted life force in one mock battle
You can't really attribute that to the feeling of the drain in a physical body though as much as knowing about said drain.

>The next time, he had a living body in Other World. Dicked around again and was left stuck in base
Which is the one I was referring to when Goku could physically feel the difference in the drain between being alive and dead.

>Allowing for Super, he repeats the second case against Billy Cat Man (and later Trunks *before trading the form out*)
The former was more because Beerus was absurdly strong. With that said it didn't seem like Goku was feeling any abnormal effects at that point.
The latter he uses it extremely quickly so neither instance can be used as a fault of using the form again as we don't know if he's overcome the drain of it.
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>>154754171
>Where is this outline and how does it describe the drain?

There is no outline, at least none that's ever been posted on the internet. People just say whatever happens in the manga is what Toriyama intended, but there is no clear distinction between what Toriyama wanted and what Toyotaro's came up with on his own.
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>>154753697
And your proof from canon (manga being the source material)?

>>154753779
>he clearly
Forgot them. I noticed.

>>154753596
Maybe he didn't. Remember, Vegeta is the natural predator of a Goku type. As before, Black did well to resist the natural way of things, but there is only so much one can do against a hard counter.
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>>154754237
>p-post a link to Toriyama outline to Toyotaro and Toei..!
There's no link, so I guess Toei only invented the drain and Toyotaro copied it, also Toei writers, who invented the thing, decided totally ignore it while Toyotaro is doing stuff with it... right?
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>>154753896
>no ideas from GT or DBM
Introspect on it.

>>154754062
True. Too bad he didn't teach himself better ki attacks (like those of his rival).

>>154754097
>retarded
You must be if you're so moved by a parlor trick (hardly any better than multi-form from Tien) taken out by the simplest tap from objects (or lesser ki attacks *if not themselves*).
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>>154753802
Blue has a massive drain, it's not as much as SSJ3 but it is no walk in the park. He goes God to conserve energy
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>>154751094
>Tien is Semi-Perfect Cell level
That's like saying Picollo was Raditz level at the start of Z because he killed the guy with a special technique, despite clearly getting wrecked by him.
Tien wasn't even Android tier by that point, he just had one op technique that slowly killed him.
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>>154754552
>Goku use SSG against Hit not because cooldown but cause SSB regular drain
So we have another instance of Toyble inconsistency. That's not a very smart move on your part.

>(which comes from Toriyama),
[Citation needed]
No one has provided a source for this yet.

>Because he trained for be able to do it, so?
You aren't getting it.
He's constantly transforming into Blue multiple times, in the course of three years training with Goku he can barely do it once.
Now he's doing it multiple times with no hassle?

The way the drain worked previously has been completely retconned for one that works over time as opposed to paying for each transformation. That's the only explanation.

>I see.
You haven't read the most recent chapter have you. Like I said Goku himself mentions the new weakness of the drain over time.

>"Long periods of time" is relative, just see how Vegeta use SSB the first time they go to the future.
Relative to what exactly? Because it isn't exactly consistent in the manga.

>and SSB stamina drain IS in the anime too.
That's the problem the two types aren't seen in the anime nor is a retcon made.

>Because you say so, yeah I don't care.
Cared enough to reply didn't you?
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>>154753955
>royal family technique
Yeah. Starting with (Prince) Vegeta. Canon never shows or applies anything of the sort.

>>154754587
>knowing about
He was told not to do it. King Kai knew better from their time in Other World, yet Goku was ignorant (apparently).

>could feel the difference
After it drained him. Then he does it again.

>because
He didn't know how strong the cat was.

>can't fault him
He took pride in it.

>overcome the drain
Come now. You don't actually think that changed (especially with AT's stance on higher forms), do you?
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>>154754003
>Cabba uses it
He doesn't (in the manga). Toyo would not go against AT, so if it wasn't in there, it wasn't part of the plan.
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>>154753746
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>>154755092
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>>154755038
>Toyo would not go against AT
He already has, multiple times.
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>>154755130
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>>154755163
Did he? I remember the lack of SS Black with the anime. What did Toyo do that went against AT's script? Speaking of which, do we have that available to go over these days?
>>
vegeta wins again
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>>154755205
Basically anything that isn't shared is a toei or toyble original to the story.
So bringing back SSJG as well as having Kibito fight Zamasu and never having Goku meet him was all his.

Going from this Tori must not have put a lot into those outlines.
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>>154754832
>So we have another instance of Toyble inconsistency
Literally none but OK you can cry more.

>No one has provided a source for this yet.
See >>154754679

>Now he's doing it multiple times with no hassle?
(You) aren't getting it. He wasn't able to ignore the cooldown until the 4th year, so before that, he wasn't, that's all.

>That's the only explanation.
I don't even undersant how your brain works. SSB had cooldown (according to Whis)
and stamina drain (according to Goku before Whis explained the other problem, cooldown). Vegeta has been training until he's not affected by cooldown so he can switch between SSG and SSB, but as Goku said in the new chapter, SSB's regular drain still a thing.

>You haven't read the most recent chapter have you.
Looks like you didn't.

>Like I said Goku himself mentions the new weakness of the drain over time.
Isn't new at all, is a regular stamina drain, as he said against Hit, and that doesn't mean the can't stay in SSB as time as they can with (example) SS2.

>Because it isn't exactly consistent in the manga.
How not?

>That's the problem the two types aren't seen in the anime nor is a retcon made.
Except there's no retcon in the manga and they mention stamina drain problem in the anime.

Cared enough to reply didn't you?
Reply to what? You can say "m-makes no sense" whatever you want but it doesn't mean you're right. Explain your bullshit if you want a reply.
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So was Goku able to read Toppo's ki? Gohan said he was strong.
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>>154755372
>See >>154754679
So your entire post boils down to

>h-he did okay!
After all if you could prove it then there would be no need for you to defend this atrocity.
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>>154752920
he blew it up when goku and vegeta went back to their timeline again. goku learned the mafuba and vegeta trained and blew it up.
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>>154755171
source?
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