>"If I use this technique, I will die!" >doesn't

>>153471082
>"If I use this technique, I will die!"
>dies
>then comes back

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>>153471082
fucking symphogear man fuck that show, why the fuck did first girl have to die then

>>153471082
>No, MC-kun! Using this technique will shorten your life!

>>153471082
>>"If I use this technique, I will die!"
Wouldn't that be extremely painful?

>>153471082
>"It's a Special Unique Technique."
>Everyone can use it already or learns to use it

>>153471147
Why is this a thing
There isn't any tension
We never see characters into old age anyways

STRAWBERRY
J
A
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>>153471140
Not actually compatible and full of LiNKER

>cloud of dust
>"We got him!"
>didn't get him

>>153471282
BULLSHIT and you know it

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>>153471279
Jam you say?

>>153471237
Just watch Chrono Crusade already.

What's it called when something is an asspull in-universe, but was predictable from a meta standpoint?

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>>153471332
I mean, Symphogear runs on bullshit, but that's the explanation.

>>153471419
dumb?

>"this is my ultimate technique!"
>doesn't work
>"guess I'll just have to use my STRONGER ULTIMATE TECHNIQUE"
>doesn't work
>"heh, you're pretty tough"
>"but can you handle"
>"MY ULTIMATE ULTIMATE TECHNIQUE OF ULTIMATE?"

>"So you finally awakened to your full power Main Character, then let me do so as well."
>MC still wins.
>"Sorry that was actually 85%."

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>"Man, we just ran the plot into a corner. How the fuck we going to finish this?"
>"Hey, you know what we need to do?"
>"What?"
>"We just need to kill the one of our audience´s favourite characters and/or cause a massacre to keeps our MCs in the fight and tug at the audience´s heart strings. We don´t even need to deal with the aftermath of this, as if we gave a fuck about our characters that we just killed or anything. We only need an excuse to keep the story going."
>"You are a genius!"

>mfw watching it

>>153471657
When your friend is literaly Jesus Christ you kinda don't worry about dying anymore, which makes me think why Naruto didn't save Neji but did save Gai....

>>153471805
He wasn't Jesus yet.

>>153471147
Fucking Luffy. If he doesn't die as soon as he reaches Raftel I'm killing Oda.

>>153471350
You mean read it.

>>153471805
>>153471884
yeah he wasnt made aware of his godness at that point. still had the power but someone didnt tell him

>>153472324
>Naruto became a God
what

>>153471420
>>153471340
Some one didn't take her Daily Dose.

>"This guy is strong, gotta use THAT technique."

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>commeme translates 絶唱 as swan song
>it's actually superb song
>the confusion from the implication of "swan song" continues to this day

>>153471237
Tekkaman Blade does this. He ends up in blind and in a wheelchair, but cared for by his waifu.

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>>153472391
You must have dropped Naruto a while back. It sounds less farfetched when you remember that he starts the series off basically as a half-demon

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>>153471082
>Character has a technique that is supposedly their strongest
>Has never been shown using it before
>Uses it once in the middle of the series and never again despite being op as shit

>>153471964
If you're talking about Gear Second, that only fucks him if he overuses it like in his Lucci fight

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>>153471082
>Watch a show because of one character
>They are literally the best ever
>Everything else is shit

>>153474942
Gear Second and his healing in Impel Down.

>>153474975
Oh right, he lost like 10 years from the poison. Which really doesn't mean much unless he already had a short lifespan. Dude probably had a solid 100 years to work with or some bullshit.

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>worst girl wins

>>153475450
>cropped
Well fuck you too.

>>153471332
No, makes perfect sesne. The Linker they used in season 1 was absolute garbage. Adding to that was the fact that they were beeing "tuned" by Fine. While Tsubasa was compatible with a relic Kanade was not. The only reason she was even able to active it was because she was taking massive ammounts of linker. Ver invented a much better linker and actually DID tune Maria & the rest. Also, the whole "Swan song" thing is a bit of a miss translation. It was never meant to be deadly.

>>153471082
>two characters use a combination move
>they never spoke about doing such a thing

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>>153475783
This is just a Symphogear thread now, isn't it?

>>153476257
They obviously discussed this while kissing each others' breasts while Chris cried from behind the door.

>>153474680
So like Shoe?

>>153471419
A shitty cliche.

>if I use this attack I'll lose my powers
>actually loses it
>wait no gets it back

Fuck bleach

>>153472011
Anime ending > manga ending

>>153471082

I hate the cliché of the evil power you can't control even more because I think it would be awesome to see a series where the mc actually ends up consumed by the dark side and becomes the new villain.

>>153477079
Imagine if Bleach ended on chapter 423 with Rukia just fading away.

>>153474942
Did it even shorten his life? I read it as it'd harm him in the long run (like hurting his joints or something) rather than just cutting years off his life.
That or if he keeps using it it'll eventually go wrong and kill him.

>I was born powerless in a world with superpowers
>gets a power stronger than anyone elses that was either dormant inside them or someone/something gives it to them

>>153478391
Nah, back when it was still new, using it puts extra strain on his body, which effectively does shorten his life.
After the time-skip, he no longer has that problem, though Gear 4 and 5, or whatever probably gets something similar.

>>153477479
>I think it would be awesome to see a series where the mc actually ends up consumed by the dark side and becomes the new villain.
I wouldn't mind something like this at all.

>>153478753
Boku no Hero Academia is even more shit than Naruto and Bleach, yet people like it somehow.

>>153479293
It's ok that you have shit taste, anon

>>153471082
>>"If I use this technique, I will die!"
>>doesn't die
Well the excuse is that he clearly never used it before, so he only think he would die. But yeah, it is fake tension. And the secret move becomes a normal spammable move next season.

>>153471657

Cool move.
Sucks how it was basically made absolutely pointless.

>>153479293
It's not the only one to do that.
I have to somewhat respect Black Clover for their way, MC kept his non-magic but gained some magical weapons. His latest power boost was kinda shit though, his lack of magic powers apparently gives him an anti-magic demon thing. The only upside to it is he told the demon to fuck off because he wanted to win with his own strength.

>>153479389
>he likes boku no shitro A/co/demia
>>>/co/ is two blocks down.

>>153477479
>>153479167
George Lucas pls

>>153479643
But Vader was the old villain.

>>153479603
>trying this hard to make an obscure pun

>"If I use this technique, I will die!"
>dies
>but they're a filler character so who cares

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>>153479167
SOON

>>153479643

I would prefer it done in a non shitty way, instead of going from "killing him would be wrong" to child murderer in an instant.

When I was younger I had a friend that had this crazy theory that Ichigo from Bleach would become consumed by the Hollow and would kill all of his friends, and then there would be a new season where the spirits of his friends became Shinigamis and tried to stop him. Yeah, yeah, it was retarded, but I mean something like that.

>>153479722
>>>/co/

>>153478753
>character has a mundane power
>when the viewer really thinks about it their power is actually the most OP if used correctly
>character never uses it correctly

>>153479949
>He likes something I don't like better tell him to go to another board!
So how does it feel to be retarded?

>this move puts a lot if stress into my body, using it more than once is dangerous

>spams it with no repercutions

>character has a power up with no drawbacks
>waits until he is almost defeated before unleashing it

>>153471082
GIIIGAAAAAAA

>>153480030
>>>/co/

>>153477479
Tate no Yuusha did it perfectly. MC goes mad, ends up creating an entirely new species to bring his love back from the dead and conquer the world at the same time.

>>153475677
>99% of fandom accepts that Symphogear is terribly written, but is a guilty pleasure regardless
>random namefag goes above and beyond to defend the shitty writing
Color me surprised.

>>153471181
for him

>>153480674
Its terribly written, but 99% of everything has dumb explanations. Its surprisingly thought through.

>>153480207
>heh, you're tougher than I expected, guess it's time to use this power-up

>>153479778
write him back in

look at me look at me does it look like I'm kidding with you

write him back in

>>153474797
wait can someone explain, is he actually a god or something? i dropped a long time ago and only watch the fights on youtube

>>153480207
>character knows an easy way to power up
>doesn't teach the rest of the group

>>153471330
>nobody could survive that much dust!

>>153475783
>MC talks about the power of friendship
>Battles are only 1v1 while everybody else watches

>>153477479
Do you really want to bring over Chris "corruption" Metzen?

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>>153480674
>fandom

>>153471082
I have read a pretty handful of things where this does happen, I mean, the one who says that actually dies, and very usually those are good characters.

>>153471558
>when you can almost see the writers writing themselves into a corner in real-time

>>153471082
maybe it just gave them cancer

>>153471082
Happens all the time in shit like Fairy Tail

>>153480576
>>>/out/

>>153477922
Best ending: Cut from that point straight into the epilogue

Make it so the "tiny leftover pool of reiatsu" shit from the fullbringer arc is why Ichigo can see his old friends. His lineage as part shinigami allows his kid to inherit his op reiatsu pool

BOOM, I just fixed the entirety of Bleach's ending

>>153480865
I AM NO LONGER DEAD

thats nice

>>153480892
The Sage of the Six Paths literally appears before him and bestows god-tier power to him. Oh yeah, he was also able to become the host of all of the tailed beasts. Shit got wild at the end

>character gains new abilities/finds new weapons or whatever
>completely forgets about all the other stuff he got/learned before even if they have their own uses

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>>153482385
>MC used to fight extremely hard to edge out battles in his favor
>Gets new power
>Now everything's a cake walk

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>character is introduced and he has an OP ability that would quite literally make every battle a joke
>gets nerfed hard

>show spends 11 episodes establishing a dark tone, and raising the stakes, with main characters getting hurt or crippled
>12th episode undoes all injuries and tension to force a generic happy ending
Fuck you.

>>153482826
I see someone is still mad about YuYuYu.

>>153482883
The fact that so many people defended the ending only made it worse.

>the characters DESERVE a happy ending!
>it's not a happy ending because the battle isn't over
>the happy ending was a brave direction to take

>he watches a shitty shonen action anime targeted toward male tweens
>he's surprised when the story is shit and does stuff that only appeals to male tweens
SHIGGY DIGGY DOO

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>character after another dies in a heart-wrenching way
>all revived in the end

>>153484896
What is every season of Sailor Moon

>>153482516
BEES

>Latin is the language of magic
>The hexagram is THE magic symbol
>The catholic church is all wizards

>>153485643
To be fair, Latin being the language of magic is a lot better than Hebrew literally being magic. Sanskrit is great too.

>hexagram
To be fair the hexagram has strong significance in symbolic "magic".

>Catholic Church
They're expected to be wizards though.

>>153485828
>They're expected to be wizards though.
when do I get my wizard powers as a Catholic, then?

>>153485962
You're not the main character.

>>153485995
Fuck you I'm not

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>>153486024
If thou art not the Protagonist then why dost thou believe thou deserveth the power of a magus?

>>153474934
Which anime/manga does this?

>>153486088
spirit bomb?

>>153485427
And Mai-HiME
Fucking mahou shoujo, y u do dis?

>>153471964
>yfw Oda has confirmed the average human lifespan is 120 years

>Luffy dies young at the age of 95

>>153482340

I loved how the author switched between a ninja series into a fucking intergalactic combat one. In his mind, ninjas were fucking saiyans.

>>153486660
The funny thing is Nardo is actually <<<< Sasuke at this point because Sasuke has his God-Rinnegan. If only he got his arm back he'd be basically invincible.

>>153486697

I remembered "that" Madara post.

>>153486088
One piece
Zoros ashura

>>153480083
Kaioken was awesome

>>153486697
Actually Sasuke shouldn't have loss to begin with. Author wrote himself into a corner and Sasuke didn't even use half of his rinnegan powers like machine path, didn't spam the ninjutsu absorbtion shit until near the end and only once, didn't use tsukiomi or amaterasu, didn't use impure resurrection, didn't use kirin, etc etc.

Ultimately he got talk-no-jutsu'd too.

>>153487032
Maybe he was just incompetent

>>153487023
That's because it actually crippled him for the rest of the fight when he maxed it out each time.

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>>153471082
>The guy failed the technique
>Dies
>Magically revived
>Finally used the technique properly
>Die again

>>153476913
Shoe lost his waifu

>>153471805
He didn't want Neji to stop him from tappin his sisters ass.

>>153478753
Or even better
>Gets a no-rank power that's actually the most OP out of them all
>It's not ranked because the ranking system can't measure it

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>female character overpowered to hell and back
>never participates for reasons
Or even better
>female character overpowered to hell and back
>gets overtaken because itsashonen and girls need to be protected

>>153482516
WIND TUNNEL

>>153471082
>MC creates his own cards

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>>153486088
>Naruto

>>153482495
Berserk?

>Comes up with a plan
>Doesn't tell rest of team

>>153489065
Kirin gets used at the end of the manga again I think
Also it takes ridiculous setup.

>>153489006
>MC changes the text on a card to the exact effect he needs to win

>character gets a new skill to fight someone
>is useless to said someone
>beats said someone with his old skills

>MC's group and bad guy's group finally meet each other
>bad guys suggest a game/tournament/competition instead of an all out brawl

I'm still hopeful Luffy dies young (but fulfilled) at the end of One Piece

>Tasukete!
>Ah, girlu-chan, daijobu?
>girlu-chan is perfectly daijobu and didn't need any tasuketing

>>153489248
But it's awesome when that happens.

>If I use this technique, I'll die.
>Never uses the technique

Should I watch Symphogear
Hibiki looks cool

>>153489557
Hibiki starts off as discount Nanoha in season 1, but by the end of season 3 she's full retard and anything enjoyable outside of memes and one note jokes about character personalities is gone from the series.

>>153489626
damn

>Plans are either completely told step by step so that way they have absolutely no chance of being carried out successfully, or never hinted or mentioned to the reader at all and go off perfectly

This always happens in the media and it annoys me.

>>153489711
Season one is actually good. Season two has ups and downs. Season three was painful to watch.

>>153489736
Not anime, but the slight foreshadowing and reveal of the big plan in Persona 5 was pretty great.

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>>153483064
I think dissapointed fits better than surprised.

>>153479036

At least he falls over for a short while when the strain is enough (like working out so much you simply loose muscle control), but I wish there was more consequence to it. After EL it worked, wasn't moving, but then they had 3+ days to chill. Make the tension work by having them run the fuck away and hide properly. WG had 3 days to send CP0 or an admiral to spank them at W7, and in that time aokiji was presumably just chilling nearby.

Still the strain/life lost needs to show results, it's a horribly cliche piece of shit when implied consequences are never shown.

>character uses self harm thing
>oh wait character 'could' live 100+ years
>10~ means nothing because senile and death (at 70-80) in battle is their dream anyway

>>153487115

Considering everything else, maybe.

Characters forget spells they used/seen before. We're not given mana bars so we don't know when/if a character is out of mana because it's pure plot contrivance. Characters learn new spells so easily most of the time (look hand sign, now apply mana and go), narudo learned his signature in minutes yet failed at others.

I'd say the combat is more inconsistent than character being outright incompetent. An incompetent writer.

>>153489922
It makes more sense if a move like that just hurt you bad in the process like the Gates from early nardo so if you fucked up and it didn't work or couldn't finish the job you'd be a lot weaker afterwards.

>>153489779
>jpg

>>153471237
To give an excuse for why the MC is not spamming it for every battle that cimes along.

>>153480580
>Tate no Yuusha

Didn't that have a really shitty ending that shat all over everything? Was it one of those 'all that became a dream. MC dies again but is reincarnated on earth to live 'properly' this time'.

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>>153471082
>"remember, you can only use it two times"
>"if you use three times, the strain on your body will be too big"
>"four times and you're dead"
>uses it five times, is fine after sleeping for two days

>technique puts incredible strain on body
>it doesnt put strain on the areas you actually use during the technique, you simple get a mysterious weak body that gets better after a nights sleep

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>character uses their Willpower to overcome enemy
>still die without acomplishing much anyway
>they get revived right away
>someone had to sacrifice themselves for that

>>153490517
SAO plz

>>153471082
>>153471082
>I did die but my real ability is to come back to life

>>153487032
>>153487115
The Ninjustu absorption can't be used against True Sage tech like the and stuff like the Biju bomb.

>>153490427
>Goku uses Kaiouken x 4 Kamehameha
>Can't move his arms after
Based Toriyama.

>>153486124
Is the spirit bomb viable outside of the times that Goku used it, though?
It takes a longass time to charge up

>>153471082
> "Don't stick it in, I'll die!"
> Doesn't die

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>>153471082
>>153490264
This whole "strain on your body"/"it will shorten your lifespan" really is the worst.
Especially the latter, it is just a cheap way for the author to avoid actually delivering on it. It's vague enough to encompass anything between "well, you'll only get to live to 93 instead of 100 years" (which is never shown or relevant at all) and "MC drops dead at the end of the story".

>This technique will take X years off your life span!
Of all the dangerous technique memes, this one is truly the worst.

>the enemy we are now facing is literally the strongest person in the world
>is defeated after 40 episodes
>this new enemy that we are now facing is actually even stronger than the last one
>no idea how we overlooked him before

>>153491013
The way Death Note did it was fine.
It has real gravity in that it pushes you to recruit other people to do it for you, and in the end misa who used it twice died young.

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>>153491037

>>153491037
It's always better if they're just dealing with organizations honestly
>this guy is the strongest in the school
>except this next guy is national class
>and this guy is olypmic class
>and this last girl is metaphysical and a huge fuck you

>>153491097
>You either have to just take it on and depict "The Cosmic Evil Force" and become a religious fanatic or quit the series and begin another one. It's important to know when to stop in life.
Or you could just give up on the one-dimensional idea of strength and have the hero face enemies with a variety of strengths and weaknesses, none of them stronger than any other and make the fights actually interesting.

>>153491199
That doesn't work in shonen.

>>153491199
In a Seinen, possibly, but don't expect anything on Shounen Jump to be like that.

Also
>Skills never works twice against the same opponent
>Spams the same techniques over and over successfully

>>153489922
The strain hit him really hard during marine ford and in fact almost got him killed when he wasn't able to dodge the admiral. Luckily someone else was there to protect him

>>153491211
The stands in JoJo worked pretty good in shonen

>>153491412
>Luckily someone else was there to protect him
kek

>>153491199
or do what Inuyasha did and have the big bad guy progressively get weaker over the course of the series yet still somehow manages to stick around for about as long as possible

>>153487402
>dissing on Onii-sama

seriously, fuck him

>>153492219
He's not even that strong as a caster.

>>153471140
kanade got way more poignant for me when I realized her voice actress was nearing 50 and probably couldn't keep up the singing gigs

>>153491053
>Misa died young

Wasn't she granted a fuck ton of years from Rem and that other guy who died?

>>153492339
Oh, maybe. I thought it only works 1 way.
Shes only implied to suicide in the anime.

>>153477479
Sengoku Youko had that, kind of.

>>153471657
The game did it better

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>>153471082
>"If I use this technique, I will die!"
>uses it because there really is no other choice
>dies
>doesn't come back
>it was all according to the villain's keikaku

>>153492730
In which anime happens?

>>153492830
The bible.

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>>153471082
>Character is supposed to be unbeatable
>Dies in the most anticlimactic way

>>153490896
Audible chuckle

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>>153489423
>tasuketing

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>>153492858
yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

>if you use it it'll shorten your life
>the main character dies the next day
Thank you nasu

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>>153492937
Just like in real life, huh

>"he sacrificed all his future potential for a brief moment of absolute power. He won, but he will never fight again."
>Genuinely never fights again, though not because he's permanently lost his ability to fight, but because the author is a whining retard hypochondriac

>>153493281
Hunter x Hunter?

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>"If you use that technique, you will die!"
>Never uses it.
>Still dies fighting.

>>153493309
of course.

I quite like a lot of battle shonen series, but reading the amount of bullshit the authors push through their stories I can understand pretty well why a lot of people can't stand works like these.

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>>153491571
I love how Araki addressed people who whined about Kira not being as strong as DIO in an author note. His whole "evil is a weakness of the heart" ideal works really well for creating villains.

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>>153492937

>>153471082
>"If I fail this technique,I will die!"
>Fucks it up and actually dies
>Gets brought back again anyway

>>153494335
>Gets brought back again
Thats called being unconscious, not dead.

>>153489244
fucking zexal was entertaining as shit that last half

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>H-HE'S FAST
>WAIT IT'S NOT HIS SPEED, HE'S USING (GIMMICK OF THE MONTH)
>I'LL JUST HAVE TO USE *THAT* TECHNIQUE...BUT IF I GET IT WRONG WE'RE ALL DEAD
>Chapter end

Next week

>Main Character's technique didn't fully work as intended
>Villain gets bored and leaves
>No one dies

JESUS FUCK THIS SHIT SHOULD BE OUTLAWED.

>>153494619
Big cliffhangers being anticlimactic as fuck should be outlawed.

>>153491211
You've never read jojo? Stand fights from part 4 onwards pretty much cover that perfectly.

>>153482495
But that makes sense, even if it's not as fun

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>>153494372
Nope

>>153485828
Didn't the Catholic Church lead witch hunts?

>>153492858
But dying was literally part of the protagonist's keikaku.

>>153494931
I think he's objecting to the >gets new power part. It doesn't make sense for the protag to suddenly get a new power that renders all other shit trivial.

>>153494975
It was a joke because they're supposed to be virgins.

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>>153471082
>MC dies comes back, breaks power so it no longer has fatal side effects

>favorite character/villain gets killed
>don't understand how these shonen mangas work yet
>think he's never coming back
>kill myself
>he comes back long after I killed myself for an emotional scene

FUCK

>>153490124
Author rewrote the ending to go on for 15 or so more chapters, and made the MC clean up everything. I don't know if you'd consider it good, but it's certainly better than ending it there.

>>153495155
That Russian kid who killed himself because of Itachi?

>>153495217
Yeah but I feel like that reason is bullshit. I bet his parents were abusing him or some shit. The story is really sketchy.

>>153495267
Kids have killed themselves for stupider reasons
Sometimes 7 year olds who almost hanged themselves give a reason of literally "I wanted to try dying", because they don't actually understand that dying means, you know, you fucking die.
And I mean how would their parents know about Itachi dying?

>>153480029
What is: Okuyasu Nijimura

>>153471082
>MC is proclaimed to be the weakest in the whole battle academy/ army
> gets into a fight with an elite and apears to job at first but right before the end uses a bull shit power up to win, turns out he is actually the strongest

>>153495483
At least he got his shit together at the end, him coming back and just fucking up Kira heavily by removing Stray Cat was great.

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>>153495483
>Erasing everything in existence in front of you with just a swipe of a hand
>mundane

>>153495921
Just because it's ball-bustingly OP doesn't mean it's not mundane.
Waving a hand in front of you to delete shit isn't really that interesting of an ability, it's cool as fuck and stupid strong but holy shit it's simple.
If I said Whitesnake was mundane you'd have a more solid ground to 'wut.jpg' me because Whitesnake is far from mundane.

>>153496180
I don't know mate, even though it's just a shittier Kumagawa anything with the ability to delete is complete bullshit.

>If you kill him you'll be no better than him

>>153490896
>it won't fit
>it does

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>>153489188
>comes up with a plan
>shows characters performing plan as he explains it to them
>"nah that won't work"

>>153496513
>my hips are moving on their own!
>they don't have the ability to do so

>>153492830
Gurren Lagann

>>153471237
fafner did this really well although maybe a bit different

>>153492858
>Top 10 Anime Betrayals
>Judas

>>153471082
Name 0,2 animes that does that.

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>perform a back attack
>screams his ass with his big windup

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>>153492858
>fanfiction

>>153485962
Abstinence

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>>153491199
>>153491037
>>153491097
I think the best way is to di it like rpgs do it
Plan ahead, make a bunch of minor villains and the final boss is some god or something
It always works and never feels like an asspull because it was like that from the start

>>153498219
Yeah but then jump starts pressuring you into milking that shit cause $$$ flowing in and once you get past that initial outline it's uncharted waters. You know like all longrunning shonen.

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>>153498538
You don't necessarily need a stronger enemy
Just make it so that the protagonists beat the previous final boss with the power of friendship so they're not completely OP and you don't have to necessarily outdo the previous final boss

>>153495483
He was actually pretty good at using his power, but the universe didn't bend itself backwards to let him win with it.

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>>153471082
>"If I use this technique, I will die!"
I think the best way to execute(wew) this trope is to slowly build up on the user to avoid the unspoken technique, not yet revealing that it's a suicide move, then finally execute it when there is something worth winning more than their lives and reveal to the cast that the person is dying, not coming back ever.

>>153487023
This.
Kaioken > SS
The only time SS was more cool was Final Flash vs Cell.

>Want to learn technique.
>It's powerful but it kills you when you use it so you can't practice it.
>Fuck it up when you use it because of no practice and die.

Does this happen somewhere?

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>Hero/villain uses their strongest attack first to leave the other in a weaker state so they're easier to kill

Are there any examples of this? I think it'd be cool to see.

>>153496369
>I'm somehow as bad as the person who rapes, tortures and murders countless lives to satisfy his sadistic urges

This is why anime pacifists get a bad rep. They're more concerned with the image of goodliness rather than grapple with moral conflicts. Like if you let this bad guy go, and he continues to rape, murder and torture, you then ARE just as bad as him. Because then, your desire to keep your hands clean is more important than the citizens you "care" about.

>>153492858
>God
>villain
Oh looks another thing i hate

>Angels are evil
>Demons are good or just misunderstood

>>153494619
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nLgsiI1Q5U

>>153504231
>Angels are evil
>Demons are good or just misunderstood
The Sandman had pretty elaborate and interesting dynamics for the creation story.

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>>153502367
Only example I can remember is some korean webtoon "The Devil King Is Bored".

>>153504478
>>153504231
>Angels are evil
>Demons are just as evil, but are less focused than the Angels
I love Bayonetta

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>>153471558
>shouting makes his ultimate ultimate technique of ultimate stronger

>>153482495
>Naruto in a nutshell

>character gets massively OP power of time/space regression
>nothing can enter or exit its area of effect
>only uses it to heal
>randomly can't heal some wounds but does anyway

>>153505097

Leave Orihime alone. She didn't like fighting and only wanted to make sweet sweet love to Ichigo

>>153486697
So? All they'd do is write in Naruto's super ascended ten-tailed fox form that would win the day anyways. No matter how OP something is it will always be outdone before the next season.

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>>153504231
>Tales of Berseria
>Protagonist is a Mary Sue Shadow the Hedgehog tier edgelord that kills and eats children/people because she hates humans and religion
>Destroys the Order, a religious organization which is the only thing saving mankind from extinction
>Burns medicinal supplies meant for the poor because fuck the system
>Sets a city on fire, killing all the guards, and destroying the port because fuck the system, leaving the city to be raided and slaughtered by the hungry monsters the guards kept out
>Murders and cannibalizes small children because they remind her of her brother
>Constantly threatens to murder her own party members, keeps shota in party because he reminds her of her brother (even naming him after her brother)
>Producers panic and write in a reason as to why the order is evil 3/4 through the campaign because they had no reason for them to be evil otherwise
>Talks down on the Order's treatment of pirates, who rape and murder random innocents
>Is still a good guy

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>shounen doesn't really abuse any tropes and is pretty damn consistent and satisfying

>>153506370
Literally doesn't exist

>>153479859
Is he actually turning into a bad guy though? From what I follow in the re:zero threads, now he's just a shonen protagonist trying to save the girl or whatever

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>oh hey, I used up 20 years worth of Nen in 20 minutes
>oh wow, that actually really fucked me up
>wellp, guess this is it then
>lol jk, my friend has a tranny sister that can grant any wish
>all healed up and back to business as usual

>>153493281
>>153493309
Can't fight when there's no chapter to fight in

>>153492858
Now I want the bible adapted as a shonen anime made by trigger (with actual animation though pls). Full of yelling, power-ups coming from nowhere, power of friendship and WE DON'T CARE IF THIS SHIT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE scenes.

>>153506722
He doesn't have nen anymore

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>''mc you aren't even using your full power''
>''same as you''
>''fight 4 real!''
>''i will fight 4 real''
>don't fight 4real

>>153492830
Not entirely anime, but FFXV. Though in this case, it was the villain's keikaku and the """good""" guys' keikaku at the same time. The protagonists just got screwed hard.

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>>153471801
Thats exactly how game of thrones is written, too.
>"This character has progressed a lot in his arc and is actually making a lot of progress against the Bad Guys™ "
<"Martin you need to write 7 books you cant just end the plot on the third"
>"Well ill just fucking kill him them"
<"What about the rest of his group"
>"Yeah ill kill those too"

>>153486088
Gundam Build Fighters Tri

>>153471237
TENGEN
TOPPA
SLAPYOURSHITGAN

>>153507654
Wow Game of thrones has something in common with the shit show that was Code Gayass.

>>153506427
Gash Bell

>>153471082
I'm reminded of that Bobobo manga where the jelly dude used a Macho Man Fist or whatever, which was supposed to be a oneshot, but Bobobo didn't die when he got hit with it to transfer it.

>>153492858
>>153506857
It'll have a worst fanbase than Naruto. Call themselves "Christians" going around cosplaying and spewing shit to non anime fans and fans alike about how powerful Jesus is, or how he can beat Superman and Goku. They might even try to make you join their anime club, that meets on Sundays, and only discuss some old ass chapters.
Then if you post any hand holding say "This is a Christian Chinese cartoon board"

>>153487366
They weren't siblings, they were cousins, and Neji was all for the ultimate eugenics plan.

>>153506973
i mean we'll find out in about 20 years when the hiatus is over and we find out that gon stowed away on the boat somehow and made to the island and is somehow immune to half the shit there and finds a new power. or it can be a 40 chapter training thing plus a three year timeskip and he gets his power back then another hiatus

>>153486124
What are you talking about? Goku used it against every main villain in DBZ and even then it only worked once

>>153516207
Cell

>Main Villian powers up to god tier strength
>The battle seems impossible for the protags
> It is and they all died

>>153517764
It's just not truly one of THESE threads without somebody posting Shaman King.

>>153517764
nice jojo reference my dude

>>153489736
Kaiji somewhat ruins tension when it does this, unless there's a twist to the twist

>>153507654
Untrue. In the books, pretty much all characters die only after their character arcs have reached a logical conclusion. The show writers on the other hand prefer to kill off for shock value, including the characters who are very much alive in the original story. Also:
>progress against the Bad
Confirmed for not reading the books.

>character doesn't have any power ups
>dies a hero's death

>>153520520
>character doesn't have any power ups
>dies like a bitch

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>>153471082
I remember making that image when I was an anti-spiral tripfag on /v/

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>>153519667
>confirmed for not reading the books
I havent seen a single minute of the show, actually.
>there is no actual "bad" in soiaf :^)
Fuck off with that. You know exactly who im refering to when im say 'bad guys', in each arc.
Nedd gets too close to some uncomfy truths? Just fucking kill him
Oberon gets, again, too close to some uncomfy truths? Just fucking kill him
Robb gets too close to victory? Just fucking kill him
You fucked up and killed a character you shouldnt have? Just bring her back as an actual zombie.
Brienne starts to change Jamie's mind about the whole situation? Just fucking kill her. Actually make the zombie kill her.
The North is getting out of hand? Just fucking kill them. Snow too, for good measure. Make sure to make it all very subtle so you can bring him back later a la Stoneheart.
Every single arc in soiaf ends with someone or something very close to changing something important, then they die. Then the trigger for any progress is just "hey this thing is happening now".

Martin is a fucking hack.

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>mc has a rival that is superior
>mc trains hard and becomes superior to his rival
>rival gets his ass kicked in so hard he becomes mc's personal jobber for the rest of his life

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>Jobber A jobs to Jobber B
>Jobber B jobs to Jobber C
>Jobber C jobs to Jobber A

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>character recieves a giant hole in the center of their chest from an enemy attack
>he has enough strength to make a sacrificial attack to save his friends
>the hole is exactly where his lungs and spine is but the character is able to voice out his intentions and make one last heart breaking line

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>screaming acts as a direct fuel source for his power

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>Character has any sort of time travel capability and doesn't use it to do anything they should obviously do.

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>mc makes an attack on an enemy
>enemy counters the attack
>mc's attack was actually a decoy
>mc's ally announces that it was just a decoy and the enemy should look behind him
>mc lands the attack but it would have been more successful if the enemy wasn't aware
>mc's ally acts smug like he did anything helpful to the mc

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>How could you have gotten so much stronger since we last fought?
>Heh, no matter.
>He loses

>>153522636
>they're fine in a couple of chapters

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>character is an ancient deity who has ruled over space and time for an eternity controlling the laws of causality
>he decides to fuck with some kids
>because he's dying

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>>153522886
>He's been dormant for millennia
>Decides to do hunger games
>With cellphones
>Because fuck it

fuck that show man

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>all of these people died all around me but i dont notice or care that much
>that one guy who talked to me for 2 minutes before the fight just died so now i have to unleash my ultimate power

>Main Cast are getting fucked with by some cosmic force/something much greater than them
>Even though we see who they are, they never get their comeuppance

>>153482385
Koiichi just never uses Act 2 after Act 3 despite it having WAY more utility and could make for much better stand battles.

>>153521044
>Nedd gets too close to some uncomfy truths?
He had also fucked up almost every potential alliance in the process. He had no future.
>Oberon gets, again, too close to some uncomfy truths?
Oberon had no plan and was plain mad, even according to his brother. Once again, the guy doomed himself.
>Robb gets too close to victory?
Robb had fucked up all his alliances and wouldn't have won either way. It was just a matter of time.
>UnCat
Not a person anymore, not to mention the zombie lore had been well established beforehand.

In short, you get the picture. Everybody who have died so far had made multiple fatal mistakes that led to it.

>>153471122
KI KO HO!

>>153482516
>>153487698
>>153485539

Every

Fucking

Battle

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>>153489188
>Comes up with a plan
>Wants to tell rest of team
>Gets attacked and dies

>The rest of the team come up with the same plan
>Died for nothing

>every Jojo battle

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>>153519377
>There is a twist to the twist

>>153522636
>character recieves a giant hole in the center of their chest from an enemy attack
>"STARD PLRATINUM: SA GUORLDO!"

>>153471082

Shiryu from Saint Seiya.

Black Dragon and Capricorn Shura had a change of heart at the last minute and saved him.

>>153489188
>>153526955
Kakyoin may have been a jobber but his last moments were pretty cool.

>>153515732
>tfw you're gonna die before HxH ends

>>153477351
>anime ending

not even close you peice of shit.

It seems like half of these are about SAO

>>153482183
Bleach unfortunately still had the massive foreshadowing Aizen did at the end of Deicide when he was about to say Ichigo is part Quincy before Isshin interrupted him. Chapter 423 ended Bleach 1 perfectly, with the Lost Agent arc being the new "school days arc", but nips wanted shounen battle instead of the mystery thriller thing Fullbring had going on, and you know what happened.

>>153471082
>"I used this technique a little bit every day so I built up a resistance against it killing me!"

>>153482385
so Inuyasha?

>>153529899
>inuyasha

are you retarded

>>153492706
That's like, Kidhimoto's official opinion: The Storm games did it better.

>>153471657
why couldnt guy just have died here at least it would have been a cool death instead of having naruto do some swirly whirly mini rasengan in his fucking heart or whatever

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>>153482495
>MC power is just a shining finger type nuke (no range, massive damage)
>begins series by being inventive until they can trap someone into a corner and nuke'em
>often accomplished with the help of tactician support character with lots of non damaging powers
>then late game happens
>MC's setup is now talk no justu
>tactician is still best character but always get shat on because he has no way to execute the ennemy once he's caught it
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>153512792
This always had me thinking: If their dads were identical twins, doesn't that make Neji and Naruto's wife half siblings? Since their dads are interchangeable but they had different moms?

>I don't care if this is the end... so I'll use everything!

>>153494619
on an unrelated note evangelion's gimmick of having limited power supply for the evas, really helped maintain a lot of tension

>>153530844
Except for the part where every plan with a 0.0001% success rate somehow always succeeded.

>>153487023
oh yes
https://youtu.be/RuViG2-w_To?t=50

>>153531040
I mean, the writing isn't top notch yeah it's pretty linear on that side.
But the battles don't drag on, there's no ennemy monologues and the unlikely plans that still work don't do so smoothly.
I mean the railgun episode did work against all odds but the pilots suffering was pretty legit.

>>153530713
Identical twins are not actually identical. Epigenetics and gene expression ensure that even organisms with the same DNA end up quite different.

>>153531494
>MC talks about friendship
>most fights get won because of team work
>final fight is the Big boss being out fucking skilled by MC and allies.

does this ever actually happen in anything? cause i feel like i've watched something like it before. but nothing is coming to mind.

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>>153471558
>This is my ultimate form
>HAH BUT THIS IS MY ACTUAL ULTIMATE ULTIMATE FORM
>BUT WAIT
>THIS IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND
>MY ULTIMATE ULTIMATE ULTIMATE FORM ULTRA

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>tsundere is introduced
>she doesn't win

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>Character's loved one is hurt
>MC gets a massive anger-fueled powerup, a greater boost than even years of training

>>153522514
>mc has a rival that is superior
>mc trains hard and becomes superior to his rival
>mc still can't defeat his rival
>he never will

>>153509186
damn this sucks. I was just wondering if we'd ever see it again.

>>153531978
Bleach in a nutshell.

>>153533684
I watched the series and I can't even remember which move you're talking about. Sekai pulls new martial arts moves out of his ass all the time.

>mc is in a fight
>bunch of people are standing around and commenting on every detail

>>153490099
that's exactly what onepiece is not doing

>MC is extremely weak in the beginning
>As he makes new friends his power also grows at a good pace
>Takes the back seat for most of the series while each character gets their time to shine
>Never feels like a powerlevel problem since the enemies aren't human and you rarely see a character use a new power without previously announcing they were training for it
>The MC finally gets his time to shine again when he reveals the power he's been training most of the series
>It's fucking amazing

AIRSPACE CONTROL BABYLON

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>>153471657

>gai survives
>can no longer use his legs
>wheelchair bound for the remainder of his life
>tumblr cheers because there's disabled representation in naruto now

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>when ya villain has literally become god and there isn't a way you can have him beaten in a way that isn't a complete asspull so you just go on hiatus

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>Instead of actually dying character gets reincarnated as a babby

That's some bullshit right there.

>>153495517
why didn't he za hando kira closer so that jotaro can stop time?

>>153479293
The plot is very cliche but the execution is pretty good. But it would have been better if it followed the direction of the pilot, you can blame the editor for that, by the way.

>>153480865
>dies
>still hangs around as a ghost and gives characters advices
>at some point he actually fights with them and helps them

>>153536746
Eight Clouds Rising, an award-winning manga from the early nineties, did that to the MC at the end after a shitload of suffering and relationship development. Nip message boards nearly imploded with rage.

>>153536687
>the villain is too powerful, so there's no logical way the protags could beat him
>the story lets him win
This needs to happen more often.