I was not ready to get spooked by the last episode. It's been a while seen I've seen an episode of a anime do horror well.
The dick is something that does not exist in a lot of yuri works. Men are intentionally hidden away, creating that secret flower garden of girls in which girls can only romantically interact with each other. In these worlds completely devoid of men the thought "what if men existed", "what happens after their school life is over", "will they marry a man after they leave this secure cage" looms on the horizon like a giant dick. The yuri illusion is only perfect in that in most works eternally youthful world where being gay can (but certainly doesn’t have to) be "just a phase".
To break out of this loop that even works like Yuru Yuri poked fun at, time needs to go on (the 12th chime) and they need to overcome the dick, proving that their relationship can continue outside of the safe bounds of the garden of flowers where the dick is an option.
Again, I don't disagree that yuri manga/anime/VN are mostly terrible and repetitive. Your examples are valid. In fact, the only yuri manga I love in the past decade can be counted on one hand: Murcielago, Bloom Into You, Majyo to Houki, Gamma, Poor Poor Lips.
But it's still true that yuri got made much less than straight romance. It's no mystery: most people are straight. Even yaoi (dominating the doujin/fanfic scene) got blown out of the water by straight romance in mainstream fictions. A very same plot but replaced with a same-sex couple will guarantee a publisher/studio losing a big portion of the general audience. Yuri magazines constantly go under, with only Yuri Hime survives until now.
That financial repurcussion discourage people from making yuri. Only the most passionate authors stay in this niche industry. Let me illustrate: out of 20k VNs recorded in vndb, only 80 are pure yuri, 200 if you count games where there's a yuri side couple or het harem with bisexual fanservice. Supposely 15k of all VNs are het, and 10% of them are good, you end up with 1,500 good het stories. Whereas even if 50% of all yuri VN are good, you still only end up with 40-100. The ridiculously small pool of creations means it's at least 10-20 times harder to find a good yuri than a good het. At the same time, het works big number allow them to cover more storylines, thus diversify the impression of the genre.
So yeah, homophobia is the main factor that made yuri shitty by limiting its creative potential.
I'm not committed to the sexual awakening reading of the overall plot, but in the context of a Class S episode, that makes sense.
Has anyone noticed Yayaka (?) there in the background watching them?
I wonder if there are other things nobody has noticed yet.
And this is Yayaka POV. Which makes me question, how many things in this episode were from Yayaka POV.
Yuri magazines go under because Yuri artists don’t want to be in Yuri magazines. Most readers don’t hate or love yuri, they just want good stories. Those good stories are sometimes Yuri but much more often probably not, simply due to it being a niche genre with much less works overall. A magazine that sorts out a lot of quality works for the sole reason that they aren’t Yuri isn’t very interesting for normal readers, and that’s the audience a good Yuri artist wants to have.
None of the Manga you listed were serialized in a Yuri magazine. Good yuri manga rarely are, which is why Yuri Hime is left with mostly one shots and garbage.
Oh shit, I never picked up on that. Nice catch. The other subtle detail I know of is that the Goukigenyou are watching Cocona and Papika from the windows above the rooms as they search the hall.
I can't wait for nice bluray rips to come out.
Probably won’t be better than the AoD rips for the most part, except for scenes with A LOT of movement. (So basically only the LSD color hurricanes when they enter PI)
Best girl coming through.
>R-r-r-right here?! But someone can see us...
Cocona wanted it so badly.
I simply don't understand what point you're trying to make.
The conversation is about a complaint that yuri as a genre sucks, and I pointed out that it only sucks due to not having many creators and consumers. Het produce much more garbage than yuri, its tiny fraction of good works will still beat yuri and yaoi in sheer number. Your impression of the genre fail to take this basic percentage normalization into account, and therefore wrong.
Yuri authors want to make yuri. But they need to eat too. Low sales prevented them from doing that, hence them dropping out.
>I simply don't understand what point you're trying to make.
None, I just corrected your implication that yuri is somehow on the decline. The opposite is the case, the general public is much more accepting of yuri works so it’s simply their "containment" magazines dying out.
Also, it’s more a problem of a smaller talent pool. Good yuri sells, but as you have observed, a lot of stories are just kinda shit. Them being yuri actually works in their favor here, terrible het romances are much faster forgotten.
Glad to see Yayaka getting love.
>She has a crumb on her cheek.
Too cute, I love Yayaka.
Only thing I noticed is the girls only show up above their door window the first loop, and never show up above their door window again.
This pure illusion adventure of the week stuff is getting stale. I'd prefer some SoL to build character development at this point, especially considering Cocona and Papika literally need to develop their relationship to become stronger.
>implication yuri is on the decline
You have terrible reading comprehension then, because I implied no such thing. My statement is simply about yuri being a difficult business to work in.
Magazines constantly going under due to low sales. Low sales here is compared to het. Despite the market for yuri is opening up, it still hasn't reached that point where the average yuri publication has enough popularity to feed a mangaka yet. Yuri pioneers are still popping out new magazines to replace the canceled ones. Doesn't change the fact that the only stable one right now is Yuri Hime.
That's also the only loop where they sleep in separate beds.
Coincidence? I think not.
I'M NOT A SHIT
YAYAKA A SHIT
YOU A SHIT
YAYAKA WILL DIE AT THE HANDS OF THE TWINS BECAUSE SHE IS SHIT
>that Shining reference
Didn't see that one coming, great episode all-around.
Still basically adventuring, which is precisely why there was barely any character development. In fact the only significant thing that happened was near the end where Cocona told Papika a bit about herself.
They go under because their whole existence is faulty and anachronistic. It’s plain wrong to judge how difficult yuri business is by the sales of completely irrelevant magazines like Yuri Hime when even none of your favorite manga ever ran in it. Bloom Into You will be the cover on January’s Dengeki Daioh for example, it’s doing fine.
Anyone noticed all the white flowers in this episode? This show sure has alot of symbolism.
Yeah. The yuris were pretty in-your-face this ep.
YAYAKA JUST WANTS GEMS
SHE IS A STUPID SHIT WHO CAN'T FLIP FLAPPINGU BECAUSE SHE HAS NO FRIENDS
NO FRIENDS FOR YAYAKA THE SHIT
SHE HANGS OUT WITH THOSE TWINS BECAUSE NO FRIENDS
SHE WILL DIE ALONE WITHOUT THE GOODNESS OF COCONA TO FLIP HER PUFFY FLAP
WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND PAPIKA WILL BECOME ONE WITH COCONA TO FORM PAPIKANA
I DON'T SEE THEM TALKING ABOUT YAYAKANA, DO YOU?
Papika kind of forces Cocona outside of her shell. Even if they care about eachother a lot, I'm not sure Cocona and Yayaka's relationship ever comprised much more than being in eachother's presence.
Yayaka is a good girl who tries to protect Cocona.
YAYAKA IS A GENTLE GIRL WHO WANTED NOTHING MORE THAN TO KEEP THINGS GOING AS THEY WERE WITH HER BEST FRIEND
PAPIKA IS A SHIT AND A BAD GIRL WHO DOES NOT RESPECT COCONA AND PERSONAL SPACE
YAYAKA DOES NOT EVEN USE YAYAKANA BECAUSE THAT NAME DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH COCONA IN IT
>big boys like Houbunsha and Shinshokan opened a yuri branch only to close down (Tsubomi, Hirari, Mebae,..)
>"T-they're just inexperienced newbs who can't even explore the easy market of yuri!"
Sure thing. I bet you would swim in money if you make a yuri magazine yourselves, because those nips can't into business huh?
And what does my top 5 fav yuri manga running in non-yuri mangazine have anything to do with the conversation? I also love Arata Iri's Sougo Tovarisch, anything by Otsu Hiyori and Morishima Akiko, which are all in yuri magazines. Are they irrelevant too? Your stubborn refusal that yuri is a niche market is a mystery. You're straight up just saying business investors are refusing milking money from the EZ cow for no reason.
I love both Yayaka and Papika I don't want both my wives to fight
WHY DO YOU THINK THE GREETING GIRLS WANTED TO KEEP PAPIKA AND COCONA TOGETHER FOREVER?
THEY DIDNT CARE ABOUT YAYAKA BECAUSE YAYAKA NOT A THREAT
YAYAKA A SHIT
YAYAKA SPOILS FUN AND HANGS AGAINST THE WALL AND DOESNT WANT WHATS BEST FOR COCONA
YAYAKA JUST WANTS TO FLAP BUT SHE CANT BECAUSE SHE A SHIIIIIITTT
YAYAKA DOESN'T CARE ABOUT FLAPPING BECAUSE COCONA IS HER ONLY PRIORITY
GREETING GIRLS DIDN'T BULLY HER BECAUSE SHE KNOWS HOW TO STAY QUIET AND THEY WOULD'VE AVOIDED COCONA TOO IF SHE WASN'T WITH THAT LOUD SHIT OF A PAPIKA
I’m not, you’re just incapable of reading posts. I explicitly said that most readers don’t care one way or the other for yuri, how did you get "investors could make easy money" out of that?
I enjoyed the exchange.
It'll be like this until tuesday. Shitposting in downtime is okay as long as this doesn't become the actual quality of discussion.
YOU'RE IGNORING WHY THE GREETING GIRLS TRIED TO CONFINE PAPIKANA
THEY KNEW THAT THEIR LOVE WOULD END THEIR WORLD
YAYAKA ALONE IS NO THREAT
PAPIKA AND COCONA BELONG TOGETHER
YAYAKA A SHIT
YAYAKA IS LIKE THAT MOM THAT KISSES YOUR BOOBOOS AND TELLS YOU SANTA IS REAL
PAPIKA IS THAT SEXY AUNT WHO TEACHES HOW TO FLIP FLAPS
YAYAKA CANONICALLY A SHIT AND NOT A THREAT
NOT A THREAT
Exceptional yuri works get popular, but are not as popular as mildly good het.
Average to mediocre yuri will never earn a living wages as that of average het.
That's what it means for yuri being a difficult market, do you understand? Taking shit out of context and strawmanning "but x and y is popular, therefore yuri isn't harder to sell than het" is dumb as fuck.
I'm bringing up actual facts, while that Yayakunt is just bringing shit. There's nothing to be said about yayaka. Papika's a little forceful but this is her and Cocona's story. Yayaka just wants Cocona to stay alone. She doesn't even want Cocona yet because she's too scare to act.
She will lose.
Go to bed Yayaka
>Exceptional yuri works get popular, but are not as popular as mildly good het.
YAYAKANA WOULD BE BORING
THEY'D ADOPT SOME SHIT KID AND NEVER FLAP
"You want some tea?"
"Fuck you Cocona, god why did we get married?"
"(I should have never left Papika)"
PAPIKANA IS THE ONE TRUTH
THEY WOULD GO ADVENTURE ALL THE TIME AND FLAP IN PUBLIC TO THE APPLAUSE OF THE MASSES
YAYAKA A SHIT LOSER AND NOT A THREAT
You wot mate? Just because YOU talk to yourself doesn't mean everyone else does.
ios 10 doesn't do image.jpg anymore
Stop getting off topic you retard
You two! Like Chaika speaking!
I dump them all in one of the threads on airing day. The number of threads makes it hard to remember which one though.
There are, in fact, a handful of frames in which Uexkull resembles an actual rabbit.
Yeah I feel the same way. Also Papika should've just been genki instead of retard genki, that way it would feel more natural for her to loosen up Cocona since then she could actually converse instead of being autistic.
What is (loli?) Cocona running from?
I think the episode was more about individuality than yuri/Class S.
The girls were forced to play someone else's game. Everyone in that artificial environment should be a good girl, read books(even fucking Papika), drink tea and lez out.
But Cocona and Papika's relationships are based on their true feelings to each other and so much stronger, colorful and fun. That suffocating PI is too small for them, it can't contain their flip flapping.
Even the real world can't give enough freedom and satisfy them so they invade another dimensions.
Is there a joke in here?
Someone asked last thread why Papika was so obsessed with seashells.
Considering that she's behaved so far like a feral child with little to no formal education, I think a safe assumption is that she was probably picked up in the wild somewhere by Flip Flap and socialized. They reinforced this in episode 4 with the sheer amount of knowledge and casual comfort Papika had with surviving on the deserted island.
I think that island was probably where she had been living before she was brought into civilization. Most of her knowledge seemed pertinent to that island's wildlife specifically and she had mentioned before that she had been there before and had an emotional connection with the place.
Add in her obsession with sea shells (hell, even her henshin item is a bracelet made of shells) and it feels like we're supposed to think that Papika probably feels connected to the island because it's where she grew up.
I think this episode had some sort of message, some simbolic shit that I really didn't really grasp, I wonder what it was
There's probably some other stuff involved with that island, too. They mention it was deserted, but you can also see a lighthouse on the island the series goes out of its way to show you a couple times.
I don't think she was every really intended to be possessive, she was just hostile towards PPK because she's a FLFL dog. Fans just blew this out of proportion and decided she was IN LUUUUURV with CCN.
She walked in on Papika and Cocona cuddling and holding hands (with interlocking fingers) under the sheets, and her first reaction was to throw Papika off of the bed.
She's the token tsundere, which is why she's not being forthright with her feelings, but there are subtle hints that she's actually quite unhappy with Papika getting so close to her friend.
In the official character map she is supposed to be "childhood friends <3" with Cocona. I would have thought she would act more like she did in episode 2 trying to keep Cocona away from Papika but instead she's basically gone "meh do whatever you want".
YYK is to dere dere for affections.
Literally throwing the competition out of Coconut's bed is pretty unmistakable.
episode 5 reminded me a lot of pic related.
I guess the 3 people that played it would agree...
Can you guys spoil me on that game? Too lazy to play.
Is it just
girl got carried off to an island where there's a girl society that kill disobedient people off, and the protagonist get raped and killed by other girls? Is there any plot twist?
Fuck, how can anyone even notice that?
After we find out what's his problem
Why is Yayaka such an edgelord? I'm trying to like her because she might turn out to be a cool antihero later, but she's really difficult to like.
You go as a 19 yo girl into some abandoned orphanage only to wake up on an airship with some pretty mean girls, sometimes you are back in the still running orphanage... pretty surreal stuff, also you have a dog.
the twist was bascially that this girl grew up in this orphanage. the girls were pretty fucked up with a lot of rules and punishments, nothign too cruel though. her only friend (pretty lesbian stuff) killed her dog because she thought it's filthy, then every girl except you got (possibly) killed by this random insane guy. everything you saw during the game was based on what the girls imagined.
the great thing about this twist was that the story had a smaller scale you would imagine, it's mostly a tragic story about how her only friend betrayed her and she had to cope with her childhood.
besides that you have a child hierarchy story like lord of the flies, innocent lesbians and subtle hints of rape
gameplay is shit but this story was absolutely worth it.
would you smell your finger after sticking it inside Cocona's butthole?
Wow thanks i didn't expect that enough people here played this.
Storywise it's one of my favourite games so i'd love it if the connection was actually intentional.
This show seems like it's actively trys to become my alltime favourite now
I felt the same way last season when new game threads devolved from "look how cute these girls are" to "I want to write paragraphs detailing in amateur prose exactly how I would lick my waifu's butthole"
Hopefully we don't attract autism of that magnitude.
Even so, she could be chunni without being such a jerk to her friend.
Hehe, Famitracker dude got RT'd by binobinobi.
How's that going by the way?
>Papika's treasured items are a bunch of neat trinkets including a cool stick
Papika is best puppy.
I'd also like to add that dogs tend to lick your wounds.
Dogs also like cold floors and love pouncing on their owners.
That's for lewd ecchi stuff. In traditional shoujo it's always the guy since he's usually portrayed as the alpha cool guy while the girl is a blushing moe blob.
If a dog could talk, it would probably say its owner's name a lot.
Everyone says Yayaka is a jerk, but how is she even wrong? Cocona doesn't even know what she's collecting the fragments for. Yayaka clearly knows more about what they're actually doing, so it's not like she's off base for thinking Cocona is being naive.
I totally didn't notice those things before. That explains why she hates Papika.
>they play the full OP as an insert song in the final episode
Please let this happen.
Traditional shoujo is aimed towards girls. Bitches love seeing handsome anime boys slurping on their fingers.
Or just have a childhood reading manga. Most manga/animefags started out reading shounen and shoujo in their childhood before developing more defined tastes and digging into other stuff like seinen, yuri, yaoi, etc.
I guess one of the reasons why I instantly like Papika is because I love puppies. Cats are okay too, at least the ones that don't scratch your face. Yayaka is also okay.
>people said Papika is retarded
>Papika is reading the biggest book of everyone
Liberating Pure Illusion will solve all of our problems.
>Biggest book is best book
>This isn't aimed towards girls.
They're usually from the girl's POV and she tends to be a generic girl that's easy to self-insert as. Need more explanation?
I don't think she's a jerk. I'm just extremely curious why she wouldn't explain to Cocona if she really wants the latter to stop interfering her work. Spouting cryptic bullshit "You don't understand what you're doing" is unhelpful and condescending. I'm willing to wait and see if she has a good reason for her silence.
Stop misusing that word. Yayaka behaves exactly like most edgelord archetype characters, mostly males, and nobody complains. Why is it everytime a girl act like that she gets called a bitch? Talk about double standard.
>subs say "hot and bothered"
This is by far the doggiest Papika scene yet. It can't be just a coincidence.
I do wonder why fujos tend to make fun of shoujo tropes if their yaoi shit is basically the same thing but between 2 guys. The whole yaoi seme/uke concept is an imitation of traditional shoujo.
It's because they hate het, not of shoujo cliche itself. Yurifags hate and bash beta male leads too but will drink up the exact same things if you just change the protag's gender.
YYK is a good girl who has the utmost respect for the democratic process
Hey, it has been tried before with a cat's brain. It worked wonders.
If Papika is a dog and Yayaka a cat, then what are the twins and Senpai?
Senpai is best girl, nerd.
She literally serves no purpose, anon.
Her hair is also sort of shitty.
Was there any description of Nekomata in this book?
>Nekomata(猫又) – The Split-Tailed Cat
>The Middle Edo Period – The Nekomata Comes Indoors
>The real transformation in the legends of the nekomata came during the mid-Edo period. While the mountains were still considered the abode of the great beasts, a belief arose that nekomata evolved from regular house cats that had lived a very long time. When cats grew old enough they changed into a new form and left they households to begin their new existence as nekomata in the mountains.Because of this, it was considered dangerous to keep a cat for too long in your house.
>One of the most famous accounts of nekomata is the 1708 Yamato Kaiiki (大和怪異記; Mysterious Stories from Japan) story The Nekomata Fire (猫股の火) which tells the tale of a samurai whose house is taken over by a poltergeist-like haunting that is only ended when the family cat is killed and revealed to have two tails. This story was later adapted by Mizuki Shigeru for his comic Nekomata.
I want to steal Senpai's shoes.
Yurifags dislike het to but they are more likely to call it out when when yuri mangas are trying too hard to portray yuri as an imitation of shoujo. Look at how much Citrus and Shitsurakuen is shit on. Also the seme/uke dynamic is much more toned down in yuri works. Yaoi uke guys can range from gentle, shy like a typical shoujo main girl to full-blown moeblob cockslut with puffy bodies resembling that of a real girl. Fujos are rather hypocritical in my opinion. That's why real Japanese gay men read bara instead.
They wear the same shoes, just in different colors. What does it mean?
They are fashionable, maybe.
Everybody shits on Citrus and Shitsurakuen for completely different reasons, not because it's shoujo, retard. Yurifags don't have a problem with shoujo, half of yuri stuff are shoujo. They like to (justifiably) shit on haremshit and terrible male leads in seinen, but will read the same fucking thing if you just change the male MC with a femMC.
Similarly, fujoshits likes to diss on terrible female leads or love interests. Justifiably so, even if their yaoi is the same fucking thing.
The only difference between these two groups is that it's easier to spot canon/subtext yuri in seinen, and canon/subtext yaoi in shoujo. That's why they seemingly dislike different tropes on the surface. The fact is that they don't. They like and hate the same shit as hetfags. These 3 groups just more willing to lower their standards for a work as long as the characters have a certain gender.
Maybe. But I wonder whether they change indoor shoes at school.
Girl meets girl and they have adventures in magic land
Two girls are forced to search for gems while a tsundere group is watching them in the shadows and during this time weird shit keeps happening and they must transform into magical girls to battle it.
I don't know, that's all I got.
I see yurifags complain about Citrus having a typical (bad) shoujo setup of Mei being emotion-less, overly quiet, and having the tendency to do rapey things to Yuzu, while Yuzu just fall for her for no reasons other than >muh hormones. Maybe not for Shitsurakuen but Citrus is definitely a terrible mimic of bad shoujo tropes in a terrible setting.
Two girls are working for the extremely shady organisation, risking their lives to dive into fantastic realms and reclaim magical items that said organisation uses for extremely shady purposes. They are rivalled by a girl and a pair of twins who may or may not be androids, who do the same for the cult which plans to conquer the world.
KyoAni did it better.
I don't know what kind of 12 y/o crowd you have been hanging around with, but the complaints about Citrus is that of cheap drama, exaggeration, repetitive events, one dimensiobal characters, and no substance. I have yet to come across one that hate it for being "shoujo."
Shitsurakuen is extremely hated because of its abuser and rapist apologist message, all the bad guys who beat girls got a slap on the wrist and become their victim's love interest. Again, nothing to do with shoujo, because the shoujo shit I read for sure always have the bad guys being killed off.
The names aren't particularly Japanese in the first place. In fact, the entire setting has pretty much nothing Japanese in it (except for "10 Nights of Dreams"). They don't even use honorifics.
Did anyone post this in the previous thread(s)?
Pretty cool shot, what do you guys think it's purpose was?
I would have posted it as it aired but I don't know how to make a webm and it was like 3am (this was done in MS paint on my laptop, spare me pls anons).
here's what you're looking for.
Rich-and-handsome rapey male fantasy are completely different from the human garbage in Shitsurakuen, i.e. domestic abuser who beat and kill girls for amusement and think women aren't human but only sex slaves.
Stop speaking, you clearly understand what you're talking about.
Link with sound
She's basically Wanko from Sankarea. And numerous others as well, but that was the first example that came to my mind.
>Be the CHF to X.
>Not sure if wanting to be more than CHF, but have all the time in the world to decide, right?
>A wild Manic Pixie Dream Person, Anthropomorphized Supernatural Entity and/or Embodiment of X's Fetish appears!
>Whisks X away to a land of adventure.
>W...what is this feeling?
That would be sweet,. PI is a waste land where hopes and dreams lie. Or Senpai is an interdimensional goddess, other anons have pointed out how nobody but CCN's noticed her.
Harem end true end
It's ogre, the others just throw around 60%.
This episode was creepy but the copious amounts of hand holding was cute.
Reminder that Eva invented elevators
Don't forget the most important bit.
Those are not the eyes of friends. Those are the eyes of love. Especially from Papika. That is not a face she normally makes.
>all-girls boarding school PI = lesbian influence
Marimite loop would leave them in a more than friends less than lovers limbo, doubt they'd be tribbing after 100 loops. In their real world though they can marry in japan disney land or some shit.
Sounds great, only thing that keeps me from playing it is what happens with the dog.
>Has anyone noticed Yayaka (?) there in the background watching them?
Holy shit, you're right. The highlights in her hair are apparent when enhanced.
She's just checking out some books. It's not like she cares about those two idiots.
Why is she SOOO DUUUUMB?