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Flip Flappers

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>>149399241
>incomprehensible string of nonsense guy making the OP
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>>149399271
This show, unlike Sasami-san, actually makes sense, though.
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>>149399241
COCKONA
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>>149399241
this is a good stitch
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>Good animation
>Episodic
>Simple character archetypes
>Flopped

Is FliFla the Phantom World of our generation?
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>>149399329
PAPRICKA
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>>149399324
You're alright.
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>>149399241
Why are they sleeping in the same bed? There's two beds in that room.
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>>149399350
Flifla actually has good writing and directing, though.
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>>149399350
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>>149399350
The difference is that Phantom World is complete garbage
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>>149399350
>Episodic
Flip Flappers isn't episodic, sorry if you are too dumb to follow the plot.
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>>149399391
Why is it flopping though?
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>>149399419
Because Japan has bad taste.
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>>149399373
The lily is blooming.
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>>149399337
Have another.
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>>149399373
It's the gay way.
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>>149399373
Marimite world makes them hot and bothered.
I'm suprised they only held hands, since Cocona pouted for Yayaka after being pushed over.
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>>149399373
Papika is too lazy to get up on the upper one
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>>149399427
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>>149399373
Because that's what cute girls who are friends do.
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I want to carry Cocona home and cure her of her homosexuality.
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>>149399419
Lack of awareness, lack of marketing. Most people still don't even seem to know it exists. It is a very /a/ based mentality to just try out every single new show in a season or at least to start from the assumption you will consider watching absolutely everything and then eliminate the stuff that is shit. A lot of people will just watch what they hear others talking about and besides on /a/ hardly anywhere is talking about Flip Flappers as much.
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>>149399411
Phantom World was more entertaining to be quite honest.
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>>149399419
Because it's an obscure original with little to no marketing, and appeal which doesn't summarize nicely into a synopsis, ad blurb or word-of-mouth summary.


Plus it's a colourful coming of age fantasy full of childish whimsy that isn't made by Ghibli. Those always get summarily ignored
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>>149399459
Best reference, this show is indeed based as fuck
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>>149399459
>a symbol for transgenders
>'guys yayaka totally is just a girl guys'
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>>149399514
Here is your (You)
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>>149399501
>Lack of awareness
It's airing on a good timeslot, not even otaku hours.

>Lack of marketing
Most shows lack this

>Most people still don't even seem to know it exists
People who buy BDs are all otaku, they know what is and isn't airing.
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>>149399536
Are you pretending to be retarded?
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>>149399560
>Most shows lack this
Not the ones that sell well.
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>>149399501
This aired on 9PM Japan time. Surely they must have known this.
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>>149399567
Nope.
http://pastebin.com/jtwDKRzP
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>>149399442
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>>149399514
You know what, I think I might actually watch it now. I dropped it after a few episodes when it was airing but this makes it look visually interesting enough to sustain watching it.
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>>149399600
Don't be fooled.
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Why is yayika such a womanlet?
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>>149399604
>joo gay?

What did she mean by this?
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>Cockona
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>>149399514
PW had a shit MC.
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papika a HUGE TURD
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>>149399633
Too many cream boxes during childhood.
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The direction in Flip Flappers is tighter than PW but I like PW characters more. Papika is kind of annoying some times.
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>>149399596
>Cocona (literally) goes deeper and something goes wrong and she's left stranded (broke her hymen?). The two get seperated because Cocona couldn't keep up, and when they find eachother Cocona is dirty and her hand is covered in the remains of a red fruit.
Ridiculous. Go see a psychologist.
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>>149399350
As much as I enjoyed Phantom World (and still enjoy Mai doujin) the show wasn't quite on par with Flip Flappers, and the last episode was pretty lame given the conclusion. If they followed up episode 11 better, it would have been a great show. As it is, it can't touch floppy flippings.
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>>149399560
You can see the lack of awareness and marketing in Japan just looking at the number of twitter followers. One of the absolute lowest this season of any full length TV anime, including all other originals. Either the advertisements just didn't catch peoples attention and make it look interesting, didn't exist in great enough numbers to reach enough people or people just plain aren't aware of it.
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>>149399713
The real difference is Phantom World is LN garbage made to sell shit to otaku where as Flip Flappers is an artistic expression of love from animators who are passionate about the project and that difference shows up in the show quite obviously.
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>>149399682
Idiiots who take it too far are the reason people can't discuss symbolism in anime without getting called idiots who look for something when nothing's there.
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>>149399765
Pre-orders don't reflect that though
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>>149399765
>Phantom World is LN garbage
Please, Kyoani changes scripts so much that the shows hardly resemble the LNs they're based on.
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>>149399633
I want to touch these walls
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>>149399682
>being this uupset
>>149399789
>Everything in the pastebin is 100% supposed to be correct
Fucking idiot.
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>>149399824
I want to touch Cocona's walls
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>>149399811
Why would you expect them too? Making a show to sell to otaku doesn't guarantee it will.

>>149399818
It is, the whole texture of the show feels so typical anime. I'm not saying that is inherently bad it just is.
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>>149399832
>Instead of looking for themes, literary references and less concrete ideas in the visual symbolism, I'll explain how every story is actually an allegory for detailed sexual development
No really, you're an idiot.
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>>149399818
It's not like they made it any better anyway.
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>>149399818
It's still a harem with a smartass MC that constantly comments on how clicheed the world he's in is.

Changed script or not, it's peak LN.
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>>149399914
Funny things is, pointing out how cliche something is doesn't stop it from being cliche
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>>149399886
>feels so typical anime
It doesn't at all given the directing, but you clearly sound like one of the "I don't watch Otakushit, only mature anime for mature people like Ping Pong that doesn't pander"fags so I'll stop.

>>149399896
Have you seen the edgy garbage that was the original story?

>>149399914
>a smartass MC that constantly comments on how clicheed the world he's in is.
I think you're confused. It's still harem, but that never other stuff never happens.
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>>149399956
Tell that to KyoAni, or the rest of these LN shitters. I too would prefer if their ability to recognize bullshit would lead them to not do it instead of making a funny about it.
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>>149399914
Are you implying FliFla isn't yet another cliche anime?
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>>149400009
Name ONE cliche in this anime.

I'm waiting.
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>>149399976
>that never other stuff never happens

fuck you and your shit show
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>>149400023
The autistic and genki character archetype
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>>149399976
> you clearly sound like one of the "I don't watch Otakushit, only mature anime for mature people like Ping Pong that doesn't pander"fags so I'll stop.

That isn't what I said at all though. I said being typically anime isn't inherently bad but that Phantom World is certainly typical LN adaptation garbage. I use garbage in the lightest sense here, like calling something popcorn entertainment, its worthless artistically.
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>>149399818
It still didn’t have anything remotely interesting to say. The best part of that show was the tit limbo in episode one, had it stayed on that route it might have been at least keijo levels of enjoyable. Instead it was just terribly boring and the occasional episode by someone like Yamada wasn’t enough to elevate that.
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>>149400023
Characters are humans
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>>149400009
It most certainly isn't. It doesn't even have a consistent genre. The only consistent things are the characters and their personalities get altered every week by their environment.
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>>149400037
>A single fucking joke in a 12 episode series means it's a smartass MC who "constantly" comments on how cliched the world is
Be honest, you watched 2 episodes, dropped it, and guessed what the rest of the series was, right?

>>149400055
>That isn't what I said at all though
It's ok anon, you're not hard to read.

>its worthless artistically.
Sure thing, animepro.
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>>149400009
Not to the degree Phantom World is, and it also doesn't go around doing "hey i'm so super clever and self aware, but let's just grab boobs anyway" like >>149400037
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>>149399600
All the strange things there are for its quirky and oddball casts. It quickly became boring once it reached halfway. It doesn't even have an overarching plot like FliFla, nor ultimate goals like liberating pure illusion or whatever Asclepius' endgame is. Or, at least they didn't tell it in the first few episodes, because I didn't finish Phantom World. Dropped it at episode 10. I only watched it for Ruru and Coitus and then for some reason lost interest at it.

But of course, all the things I said wouldn't matter to you, since you would still insist it's similar to Phantom World. Why not Madoka? They also collected shiny things from bizarre parallel worlds, right?
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>>149400047
Papika isn't autistic.
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>>149400133
>It still didn’t have anything remotely interesting to say.
>Everything needs to have a deep and profound message within it to fit my definition of art
Oh, you're one of those pretentious faggots.
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>>149400146
If you want to say "that never happens", you better make sure it doesn't happen literally a minute into the show, you dumbass.
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Why is it necessary to talk about Phantom World so much? I didn't think that many people cared about that show.
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>>149400156
>One off gag in episode 2
>Representative of the series
You can stop now.
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I liked the Splatterhouse reference
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>>149400047
Papika is feral genki, like Cowboy Bebop at his computer.
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>>149400157
Oh shit I forgot there was that girl who said that retarded shit every time she used her power. That has put me off watching it all over again. I'm actually one of the people that has spent probably a few too many hours arguing how its different by the way not somebody comparing them.
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>>149400192
You fucking retard, you said "It constantly does this." and then pointed to a single joke used once at the start of the series to make your point. You clearly have no idea what kind of dialog actually happens in the show, as it's clear you didn't watch past the second episode.
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>>149399350
For some reason, even though everything about Phantom World really appealed to me (except the music) I just could not get into it. Each episode was more boring than the last
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>>149400197
One autist brings it up and makes the comparison at every oppourtunity because they don't want their mediocre LN haremshit to be forgotten
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Explain why this character is in the show.

Go ahead and try.
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>>149400228
Papika is just a recolored Karen to be honest
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>>149400260
>(except the music)
The music was great.
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>>149400273
Will be explained in the next episode.
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>>149400242
>hating Coitus-chan
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>>149400254
It happens constantly in the first episode, which is more instances than would be acceptable in 12 episodes. Which means I didn't watch more of it and you are also wrong when you say it never does it.
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>>149400146
It really isn't true in the slightest but I understand that it is easier for you mentally to dismiss legitimate criticism if you can come up with a reason to ignore it relating to the persons character rather than what they are saying.

I watch anime because I enjoy anime, hence why I already said being typically anime isn't a bad thing inherently in my first post. There is just obvious difference between something that is typical LN adaptation garbage and artistically barren and something made with genuine artistic intent and passion. Even otaku targeted material can be made with artistic intent and passion, just look at something like TTGL.
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>>149400260
I felt the same way. All the pieces were there but they just didn't come together. In the end it felt like I had watched an animator training exercise rather than something that had been made to entertain. It had its moments, but mostly it just looked pretty and nothing else.
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>>149400273
Foreshadowing because she'll be very relevant later.
That was easy.
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>>149400287
You're retarded. Try recolor Karen and see what happens.
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>>149399241
why does papika wear an ankle bracelet?
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>>149400391
Fragment
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>>149400391
So that Flip Flap can track her whereabouts when she's out on the field.
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>>149400287
I initially fell in love with Papika because she immediately reminded me of Lala.
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>>149400322
>It constantly does this thing
>Which I showed you that happens once
>Also I didn't actually watch it
Nah, you're a fucking retard.

>>149400354
>Pretend to be an anime pro
>Bring up an Imaishi directed work
Anon, I get it. You've seen 20 whole animes and like to brag about it on MAL. You're still completely talking out of your ass.
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>>149400426
>I fell in love with a shit character because it reminded me of another shit character.
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Yayaka is my husband.
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>>149400367
I'll recolor your ass with white if you know what I mean
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>>149400450
Your husband is a girl, anon.
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>>149400273
She is the Sempai.
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>>149400439
>Which I showed you that happens once

Here's another, please change your line to "b-b-but only TWO times! Then it stops!" now.
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>>149400439
>Hating Imaishi
Look at this guy.
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>>149400444
I'm gonna make your face fall in love with my fist if you don't take that back, nerd.
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>yfw no lines
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>>149400530
Salt is salt, he doesn't need lines.
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>>149400439
>anime pro
What is this even supposed to mean? I bring up Imaishi because his work is made with artistic intent and passion and targeted at otaku, you shouldn't conflate a show having artistic intent and passion as the same as saying its good. The "maturity" of a show has nothing to do with it, just look at shows like Ojamajo Doremi or Heidi or Akage no Anne, some of the anime with the most artistic integrity to ever be made and aimed at children.
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>>149400530
T-That's a low sodium-vapor light bulb in that lamp...
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>>149400530
>>149400559
When can we expect Salt to start giving a shit?
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>>149400584
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>>149400584
?
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>>149400138
checkmate
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I saw a lot of pseudo "spooky" anime episodes but this was by far the best one at being creepy
I'm glad Cocona got a hit too
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>>149400507
What the fuck are you on about? That's not an anime cliche, that's the MC knowing lots of useless shit (which is still nothing close to being a smartass). You're really stupid, at least pretend to watch the shows you criticize. The show had problems, but nothing you're saying.

>>149400520
>Thinking Imaishi can direct and not only acknowledging his skill as an animator
Pleb.

>>149400574
>his work is made with artistic intent and passion and targeted at otaku
Any Phantom world doesn't because you say so? Do you have any fucking idea what goes on at Kyoani, or do you just think that "Lot's of yelling and shitty Getter references makes it a great passion project"?

>What is this even supposed to mean?
You're pretending to be an expert on the medium, but you're not.
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>>149400287
Don't you ever say this again. Papika is ten times better than Karen ever was
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>>149400668
They handled the horror pretty well without going overboard.

Though I think it's easier to do horror in a show where horror isn't the normal tone, and the atmosphere has some concrete basis for comparison on top of the audience not having the set of expectations particular to horror
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>>149400627
>he doesn't know
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>>149400671
>ever hating on based Imaishi saving anime with mecha
I will never thank Imaishi enough. He really doesn't get enough appreciation for what he has done.
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>>149400732
The whole show so far has maintained that fairy tale-esque light and fluffy with disturbing undertone. This episode kind of reversed it, they gave everything a disturbing tone but had it about them growing closer.
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>>149400671
>i-it's not exposition dumping, it's the character! great character writing!

atrocious writing with a shiteating grin is still atrocious writing
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>>149400784
What did he do? Outside of shitty tweening animation and making a worse Getter
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>>149400671
>Any Phantom world doesn't because you say so?
That's called an opinion, you know?
>Do you have any fucking idea what goes on at Kyoani, or do you just think that "Lot's of yelling and shitty Getter references makes it a great passion project"?
Nothing I have said indicates that I think that way at all, especially seeing as I have mentioned shows like Ojamajo Doremi, Flip Flappers and Akage no Anne. It's like you aren't even reading what you are responding to. It just seems clear to me that Phantom World was made as just another piece of light entertainment with all the things that appeal to otaku. You have other shows KyoAni have made like K-On!!, Nichijou or Hyouka that go far beyond that.
>You're pretending to be an expert on the medium, but you're not.
I haven't made any claims to being an expert on anything.
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What do you think Yayaka catalyst for Flip Flapping would be?

Also,
>One of Papika's most prized possessions is a particularly smooth stick.
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>>149400826
>Bad exposition is an anime cliche
Try branching out, anon, you'll sound less stupid. It's also not a parody like the tit scene.

>>149400784
I hope this is ironic shitposting.
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>>149400826
Not him and while it might be info dumping, it's something his character would do a lot so it makes some sense. Lazy? Probably, but plausible judging his personality, it's not like the typical bad guy who tells the heroes his life's story.
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>>149400668
>>149400732
This episode was one of the few times anime has felt seriously spooky.
The other notable time was the first few episodes of Haibane Renmei.
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>>149400530
Why does he have two lamps?
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>>149399890
>stop doing thing i don't like
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>>149400589
soon?
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>>149400865
>I'm not an expert
>I'm just going to namedrop a few shows without actually discussing their creation, because their names alone give me validation
>Also this is my opinion but it's based on literally nothing
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>>149400856
>A worse Getter
You never read Getter, do you?
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>>149401011
I'm going to need you to be really specific about what you're implying here.
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Left or Right?
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>>149400960
You aren't even trying to have a discussion here. This is pointless. The shows were mentioned to demonstrate examples of shows that wouldn't be considered mature that I think have artistic passion in response to the claim that I thought all anime needed to be mature to be good or artistic.
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>>149400936
nah, the last episode was the only spooky one. The first few episodes were this weird combination of loss and comfort.

The first episode for some reason is just a massive tearjerker (even before I knew anything about the series, and the second time she falls? holy crap) and the rest has the oddest untraceable nostalgia. I swear, I had a dream just like Rakka's where I fell into a pit surrounded by crows, into a labyrinth with dead crows. This was 20 years ago at least.
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>>149401064
Cocona
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>>149401064
3rd option.
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>>149401064
left
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>>149400938
one is sodium-vapour. The other is chlorine
>>149401064
Left
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>>149400357
It wasn't even that pretty when you get down to it. Technically it was well done, but outside of vibrant colors, Phantom World was pretty standard in its art direction. Everything was very well-animated, yeah, but what's the point in putting such effort toward animating something that looks so terribly generic?

I think a show that's as basic as SZS still can look prettier and be more fun to watch than Phantom World on stylish art direction alone.
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>>149401064
Middle
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>>149400960
It's you who claimed he's an expert in anime medium. He just said that Phantom World is ultimately an artistic waste of time for him. That was his impression, at least back then.
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>>149401064
Right. She is the right amount of feral.
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This show is shit. I'm happy isn't popular in Japan.
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>>149399350

It reminds me most of Abenobashi Mahou Shoutengai and Sekai Seifuku. Despite being about being about the merging of the normal and supernatural worlds, Phantom World has a very literal, straightforward feeling.
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>>149401064
Left
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Post pictures of Cocona making this face.
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>>149401280
That's like half the frames of some episodes.
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This is Cocona smiling. It is a nice smile.
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>>149401342
Those are the best episodes
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>>149401377
Every episode with Cocona in it is the best episode.
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>>149401366
Where are her legs?
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>>149401366
Her eyes look much more slanted here than they normally are.
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>>149401366
Seriously it looks like she is a dismembered torso.
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>>149401064
Left.
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>>149401073
>You're not having a discussion
No you idiot, spitting out examples and using "I think this qualifies" without actually backing up anything you say isn't a discussion, it's you enjoying the taste of your own semen.
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>>149401478
The legitimacy of my claim that those shows have artistic integrity wasn't relevant. The point was those were examples of shows that weren't mature that I thought had artistic integrity demonstrating that I gave no special reverence to "muh mature anime" like you had claimed.
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>>149401123
There's a differences between pretty colors and good scene composition.
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>>149401064
RIGHT
RIGHT
RIGHT
RIGHT
RIGHT
RIGHT
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>>149401552
>Make a claim about what you find to have artistic merit
>Completely fail to give any sort of explanation to why
You understand why your opinion fundamentally worthless, right? "I think this because I do." isn't a discussion, not even a little bit. You tooting your own horn is worthless in the context of discussion.
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>>149401254

Abenobashi Mahou Shoutengai, on the other hand, is very much about world-jumping, genre parodies, and coming of age. Gainax's early 2000's kinetic animation style seems to have influenced Oshiyama as well. The scene from ep 1 where Papika runs along the side of the giant creature feels really Gainax-y.

And Sekai Seifuku depends very heavily on visual storytelling rather that dialog-based storytelling, where it's necessary to pay attention to the imagery to understand what's going on. Or sometimes you just can't, the imagery is suggestive but not conclusive.
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>>149399604
this scene reminds me a lot of the intro of the game rule of rose, sadly this game isn't well known so i'm sure this isn't intentional
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>>149401256
i kinda miss her glasses
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>>149401064
I must say that's quite the dilemma, can I get both?
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>>149401650
Expressing an opinion isn't "tooting your own horn", I was merely responding to your accusations against my character by bringing those shows up as examples, not attempting to compare and contrast them with Phantom World or add legitimacy to my prior expressed opinion about Phantom World, I specifically mentioned shows aimed at children with reference to a comment about maturity if you were able to read properly you would be able top discern that quite easily.

I explained why I thought Phantom World didn't have artistic merit when I said it, it comes off as a garbage LN adaptation made to be light entertainment that sells well to otaku, it may be well produced LN garbage but it doesn't come off as attempting to be anything more than what it is and it seems content with being just that. It isn't an ambitious project at all just one of many of its kind.

If you want to discuss why I mention shows like Flip Flappers or Akage no Anne or Ojamajo Doremi as having artistic integrity I could write a fair bit about each but I don't think you actually have any interest in that discussion.
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>>149401785
The show has always been very intentional with its references, I don't see why Rule of Rose would be an exception.
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You think we will ever see a majestic beatdown like when shinji raped his best friend in auto mode?
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>>149401859
>Giving examples in name only without actually explaining what you think
>Here's my point, here's what I like, I know what qualifies artistic merit
Yeah no, you're fine.

You're write about one thing, I definitely don't want to hear you babble on about a medium you have minimal understanding of.
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>>149401871
Because finger licking like that is a really common romantic trope, and not even one unique to yuri.

It would be like saying that eating is a reference to jesus because he had a really nice supper once.
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>>149399598
>>149401871
>The show has always been very intentional with its references
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>>149399598

Interesting how clouds and stars seem to be visible through or on the interior stonework of the clock tower, despite the fact that the sky outside is completely obscured by the rain.
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>>149401987
Delete this
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>Next time on Fulipu Fulapasu
Papika has a primary school bag and Cocona is wearing overalls.
I cannot wait for this after the brilliance of Ep.5.
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>>149401953
I can see I was right multiple posts ago.
>Giving examples in name only without actually explaining what you think
I already explained to you why I provided the shows names multiple times, as examples of shows that aren't mature, not as examples to contrast with Phantom World.
>Here's my point, here's what I like, I know what qualifies artistic merit
That is generally how an opinion works.

You seem to have more interest in stringing this out for yous as long as possible to be honest, probably your intent from the beginning. I'll just give up responding now and go watch Phantom World.
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>>149401972
It's not just the finger licking, it's the whole creepy all girl school vibe.
The point is, the show references plenty of stuff every episode, so if you think you spot a reference to something relevant to the episode's theme (like Mad max and Hokouto no Ken for episode 3, and now Rule of Rose, Clock Tower, The Shining for the creepy atmopshere of episode 5) then it is probably intentional.
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>>149402150
>I was right
>Giving an opinion without actually substantiating it is conducive to good discussion
Which website did you come from? Be honest.
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>>149402256
Creepy schoolgirl lesbians are also about as common as eating bread or crucifixion
Not every skinny jew nailed to a cross is a reference to the bible.
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>>149399241
Is this yaoi?
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>>149402097

Why? Is that movie reviled, or something?
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>>149402316
Only after Hidaka captures Toto.
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>>149402382
stop it
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>>149402309
>Creepy schoolgirl lesbians are also about as common as eating bread
I don't think so.
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>>149402150
Were you having this whole discussion without having watched Phantom World.
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>>149402382
Continue.
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>>149401987
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>>149402450
Nah I dropped it part way through.
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>>149402490
So you didn't watch it but still felt like your input means anything.

Kill yourself.
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>>149402391
*Salt
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>>149402565
I just said I did watch it. It is perfectly legitimate to form an opinion of a show based on having watched enough of it to get a good impression of it. I won't get into an autistic argument on that. You literally can't argue with this if you have ever dropped a show because you thought it was bad without being hypocritical.
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>>149402565
The whole discussion was pointless because it was about fucking phantom world. Make your own thread if you want to talk about shit shows so badly
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Why was the last thread deleted?
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>>149402703
the last thread had an animated .gif that violated site rules.
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>>149402466
This uncanny shit reminds me of those really bad CGI cartoons the west was putting put in the early 2000s
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>>149401987
>>149399598

Another possible reference?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayTXmzgtaZs
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>>149402810
Dramatic clocktower-navigating chase scenes aren't really all that rare.
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>>149402785
Guess CGI will never hit off for cartoon replacement if it wasn't successful back then. Might be the cost.
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>>149402905
Man this is just awkward as fuck.
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>>149402810
>That animation
>Those cogs
>0 CG
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>>149403033
everything except the mouse is CG though
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>>149403084
>1986
>CGI
I don't believe you.
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>>149402459
>>149402425
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>>149403107
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUiYyimp4jM
Get FUCKED, anon
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>>149403152
good jobu, anon
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You'll never have a boyfriend as cool as Papika.
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Is the clock tower a reference to Tick Tock clock in Mario64?
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>>149403107
>>149403107
An American Tail already used CG stuff in BGs and stuff. The bird cage is one of the examples.
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>>149403310
It's supposed to be a dick
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>>149399350

Flip Flappers is the thinking man's Phantom World.
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>horror
>yuri

Why?

For what purpose?
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>>149403310
How many A presses did they take to reach the top?
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>>149403370
it's hot!
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has the full ED been released yet? when will it be released?
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>>149403370
cuz it's fucking good
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>>149403370
Most good yuri already has gothic horror elements.

Hell, most gothic horror has yuri elements. Even shit from the very dawn of gothic literature focuses a great deal on female sexual awakening and destructive homoerotic tendencies.

Those genres go together like nachos and beer, or vagina and vagina.
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>>149399241
Why are their feet and toes so long?
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>>149403456
You should be grateful that they have noses.
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>>149403456
So you can suck on them?
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Do you think the japanese will develop some taste and this will get more popular till the end of the season? I really want more stuff like this
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>>149399419

Some of the most interesting series also happen to be the most obscure. One could say the same about art in general.
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>Flip Flappers will eventually end
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>>149403400
You can listen to this while waiting
http://www.audiomack.com/song/miyosi-fumi/117bpm-flip-flap-flip-flap-crabmixx-281102
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>>149403500
maybe we could start making threads on 2ch. like, just make our normal threads with shitposting, analysis, and speculation but send all our posts through google translate first
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>>149403600
there was literally a 600 reply thread on 2ch earlier this week...


...about what color panties papika wears.
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>>149403570
>Implying it will
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>>149403427

>nachos and beer

That sounds disgusting and fattening.
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>>149403632
What did they conclude?
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>>149403632
>papika wearing panties

jesus they really are stupid. we have to help them
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>>149403632
I still remember when we used to have bump-limit threads about what Kyouko's farts smell like. The nips even translated one of them.

But this is just silly. Papika is obviously nopan, who could even conceive otherwise?
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>>149403664
papika = read
cocona = white
yayaka = varies
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>>149399350
>Good animation
While high budget animation and high concept animation can both be called "good", that's about where the similarity stops.
>Episodic
Flip Flappers isn't episodic.
>Simple character archetypes
Flip Flappers characters don't really conform to existing archetypes and already seem to be growing and developing. I'm not sure this is accurate in any way.
>Flopped
This is true, but I still hold out hope that Flip Flop will flap its wings eventually even if the pre-orders don't show it.
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>>149403788
>papika
>read
pffft
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>>149403107
I'm so sorry anon but you just got figuratively MURDERED >>149403242
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>>149403832
Papika reads more than you, loser.
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>>149403788
I think we can pretty much confirm that Yayaka is nopan.
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>>149402663
>>149402677
You're really fucking stupid.
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>>149403870
She's an expert on beetle laws.
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>>149400273
Because she provides a the base of normalcy for Cocona's interactions and gives us something to contrast to, thereby making the weird stuff so much weirder.
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>>149403261
>>149403152

When I saw this frame in the previews, I expected Papika (and/or maybe Yayaka) would end up racing to rescue the falling Cocona.

But, no.

In the "Spiderman" clocktower scene the girl is a valuable item to be protected and fought over. But in "Flip Flappers" Papika *throws the girl out of the nest herself* to fall or fly. And, after getting briefly caught and supported by Papika's giant ball of oddly floating "water", Cocona does fly.
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>>149399391
>Flifla actually has good writing
Eh, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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>>149403456
So they can stab your penis with that, you cisgender heterosexual white male. That would extremely painful.
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Cocona makes me want to become a criminal!
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What emotion does this face convey?
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I just wanted to post this.
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>>149404027
mild excitment
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>>149404048
Thanks for sharing
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>>149404027
I'm getting real tired of Cocona's watch.

Literally no one wears watches anymore.

Buy a phone, you dork.
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Yayaka is best girl and she is going to win.
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>>149404027
It conveys a rush of blood to my turgid dick.
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>>149403986
De3P
>>149404027
Her shocked face is like it's drawn by some 70s shoujo artists or something.
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>>149404080
i wear a watch to work every god damn day. watches are still useful and there is literally nothing wrong with having them
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>>149404011
>>149404048
how can this be criminal?
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>>149404113
>midriff ZR
We're on the cutting edge of cartoons here
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>>149404113
Didn't know there were people who were into camisoles.
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>>149399350
>of our generation
I thought Phantom World is the Phantom World of our generation.
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>>149404080
Look at this eternal virgin.
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>>149404080
It's been a while since you last whined about watches. Why'd you have to go and start it again?
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>>149404175
Of course not, phantom world is shit.
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>>149404080
Please don't make fun of dorks.
This show is full of them.
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>>149404174
Are you serious? Camisoles are sexy.
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>>149404027
first penetration
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>>149404219
There's a little bit of phantom world in all of us.
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Last night I had a dream about Yayaka. We were in a bakery and she bought a box of cream cakes, then I walked behind her through a few alleys before coming to a bench where she ate the cakes and was kind enough to give me one.
That was it.
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>>149404080
What's wrong with being able to tell the time in a half second by glancing at your wrist? Phones are for talking to people.
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>>149404293
>Yayaka gave me a creampie
That's pretty gay, anon.
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>>149404293
>Romeo
Who's her Juliet? Surely not Cocona.
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>>149404337
Me.
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>>149404293

How many old KKK men did Yakaka have to please to be able to buy a whole box of cream cakes?
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>>149404080
I missed you.
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>>149404337
Sayuri

>>149404384
None.
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>>149404318
There's nothing gay about Yayaka filling your box with cream.
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>>149404316
>What's wrong with being able to tell the time in a half second by glancing at your wrist?

It's not a matter of speed, it's a matter of relevance.

You shouldn't have to constantly be checking the time, ergo, you don't need a fucking clock on your wrist.
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>>149404384
None. She pleases them for free.
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>>149404174
When will this nigga become electrifying?
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>>149404404
>she
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>>149404427
?
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>>149404400
>You shouldn't have to constantly be checking the time
Why not?
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>>149404449
Just ignore the tranny fetishist.
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>>149404477
I don't fetishize them,
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You guys miss me.
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>>149404400
>not ensuring perfect timeliness and punctuality at all times

it's like you're actually trying to be a failure
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>>149404509
>it's like you're actually trying to be a failure

I'm a neet.
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>>149404400
>need
Go fuck yourself.
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>>149404508
who are you though
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Cocona IS best girl, yes?
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>>149404526
He's the expert.

>>149404545
Of course.
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>>149404545
She and her future wife.
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>>149404589
Senpai is best girl too, yes.
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>>149404518
You're going to be a failure of a neet if you don't understand the difference between want and need.
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>>149404518
well no wonder you don't want or need a watch. no one wants to see you so you're never potentially late for appointments.
>>149404545
Yes. Papika is cute but annoying. Yayaka is better than Papika but not as cute. Cocona is best girl.
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>>149404589
But Cocona is my wife.
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>>149404679
You got cucked by Yayaka.
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>>149404589
How would they even work as a couple?
One is an unmotivated slob, the other is totally ambivalent towards everything in life except a rabbit.
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>>149404721
No, Yayaka got cucked by me. She's doing her homework in our bed right now and telling me about how Yayaka keeps trying to hit on her and make her do her homework.
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>>149404753
Wrong. Cocona likes Papika very much.
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>>149404813
And me, her husband.
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>>149404775
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>>149404813
And me, Papika's husband.
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>>149404545
No way, Cocona is a rude and reserved slut.
Papika is a star that never stops shining, she's a cute little beast.
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>>149404833
Yes she is, I am just waiting for her to finish her math homework, then we are going to cuddle and kiss.
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>>149404400

I didn't used to wear watches all the time until after boot camp. I learned there the importance of being able to know the time whenever you want. When it comes down to it, it's a control thing really.
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>>149404826
>>149404837
Yayaka will never have a husband because she's a smelly boy and her vagina is probably used up from flip flapping for so long.
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>>149404901
That's gross.
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>>149404938
>she's a smelly boy and her vagina
Something doesn't seem right here.
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>>149404845

>Papika is a star that never stops shining

Which is why her suffering and/or death is imminent.
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>>149404939
How is that gross? She likes older boys and I'm a boy that is twice her age.
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>>149403817
>Flip Flappers characters don't really conform to existing archetypes and already seem to be growing and developing. I'm not sure this is accurate in any way.
Thanks for the laugh
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>>149404982
Epsidoe 8 is coming, Papikamina
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>>149404970
It's a boy's vagina, that's why it's gross and probably covered in cream cake crumbs.
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>>149404048
>They need to do fanservice since the main plot isn't getting japs interested
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>>149405043
It's not fanservice, it's my pretty wife showering near her heterosexual friend
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>>149404982
In a few billion years yes
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>>149404939
This must be the third time you post this and I still don't get the filename.
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>>149405043
'They' like fanservice.
You don't get into this industry without being a pervert of some sort.
And you don't pass up the opportunity to depict a cute girl in a lewd situation when it's your own weird passion-project type thing. (Whatever Flip Flappers actually is)
>>
Can everyone agree to call Yayaka as Yakisoba from now on? Thanks.
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>>149405150
Yakisaba dessho?
>>
I find it funny that FliFags blame the show tanking to the little publicity it had while completely ignoring how bland and uninteresting the show is to begin with.
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>>149405099
Mambeshiba
https://youtu.be/wjsZbnTNB8c
https://youtu.be/a8Kp16noq4M
https://youtu.be/tfL9RlVe-g4
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>>149405167
Is this a Nichijou reference?
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>>149405004
Pedo.
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>>149405170
The Phantom World bait was better.
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>>149405207
My wife is 14, she does not like being called a child. If you saw her the way I did, you would not be calling her one.
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>>149405175
Why is Uexkull so based?
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>>149405090

If I was the writer, and I wanted to absolutely crush my audience, I would kill Papika. Not until close the very end though, which would in turn force Cocona to come up with a real wish.
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>>149405170
>implying bland and uninteresting shows can't get good sales
Hibike s1 fits and it sold pretty well
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>>149405279
I want one
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>>149405279
Pets are total bros if you arent a complete asshole and Uexkull is no exception
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>>149405279
>>149405359
Uexkull is not a pet, Uexkull is her reproductive organs.
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>>149405288
shit, I feel like this could actually happen.
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>>149405252
Neither does Aoba.
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>>149405386
My wife Cocona is much more mature than Aoba.
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Just finished the first episode.

Does any of this shit get explained or are we all just going blind here.
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>>149405374
He is a pet first and foremost, but can be interpretated as symbolic of fertility
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>>149405418
It doesn't get explained but you'll become more comfortable with it as the show goes on.
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>>149405418
Which parts are you confused about? This was the first episode that was almost wholly self-contained.
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>>149405418
A lot of stuff was already explained, you just didn't realize it.
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>>149405418
No worries, here is a list of theories:
http://pastebin.com/jtwDKRzP
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>>149405418
Maybe watch the other 4 episodes before asking questions? Jesus
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>>149405379

Me too and I'm hoping that I am wrong.
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>>149405374
Does this mean that the only thing that Cocona treasures in life is her virginity?
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>>149405441
Why was Cocona forced to leave her symbol of fertility behind when she entered the yurigakkou PI?
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>>149405418
we're all blind as bats here
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>>149405471
Something like that, yes.
>>149405473
Because it is scary place where she might lose it. They died a few times, and it's a school filled with lesbians so they probably did 'things' to them after they died.
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>>149405288
Nah, I don't think she'll die, but as more is revealed about her past, her cheerfulness will gradually start fading up to the point in which you end up with a role reversal with Papika becoming the serious one, with Cocona being the cheerful one who fills Papika's life with brightness.

I think both the OP and ED hint at this.
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>>149405473
Because, like I said, it's a living thing and is influenced by PI just like the girls. He could die as Hidaka pointed out
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>>149405288
The writer being a yurifag makes me think they will get a happy ed. They love their girls too much. Just look the ending of akuma no kills. She may kill Yayaka though
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>>149405457
Go fuck yourself if you love sex that much.
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>>149405418
Pure Illusion doesn't get explained. We still don't know WHAT it is, though they've given some vague clues
The point of that weird dream Cocona had still isn't clear
The odd discrepancies in their "real world" have not yet been acknowledged or addressed

The organization that Papika is from gets properly introduced but their goal is super vague and it's still not clear if they're actually trustworthy.

The robots at the end of the episode had their faction introduced briefly, but still not named. Their goals are unclear as well.

We still don't even know what the fragments are, just that there's typically one found in each Pure Illusion and they're important to every faction.
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>>149405602
I love sex with my wife Cocona, not myself.
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>>149405603
>>149405418
Don't worry lads, Dr. Saruto will enlighten us in due time >>149400953
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>>149405473
Because girls can't breed with girls.
It was a "check your ovaries at the door, where we're going you won't need them" sort of thing. It foreshadowed that the episode to follow was going to be really fucking gay, because gay is the ultimate contraceptive.
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>>149405175
Shit, that's excelent.
Definitely a good watch.
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>>149405602

If anyone ITT loved sex they wouldn't be on /a/. They would be on /gif/ or /hc/ blogposting.
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>>149405625
Cocona isn't real and neither are you. You are a libidinal construct.
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>>149405736
Cocona is real, she's taking a shower right now and getting ready for bed.
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If Uexkull is supposed to be ovaries maybe the robot dude is a penis
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>>149405765
Buu is literally the viewer
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>>149405580

Did you mean Akuma no Riddle or are you memeing?
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>>149405785
Or a penis
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>>149405765
The KKK are penises. Yayaka is either sexually active or wants a penis also. Her wish is to have a penis.
>>149405785
This.
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>>149405663
Have they stabilized the impedence yet or are they not friends enough still
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>>149405846
What did Yayaka do to imply she wants to have a penis
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>>149405860
It seems they've been able to send them over to PI at will lately so their impedance is probably stable
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>>149405893
Applied to an all-boys highschool
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>>149405893
Her love of creampies is a very low-possibility explanation.

But my solid explanation was: >>149405903

So either she wants to get fucked by all the boys, or she wants to be a boy. Her seemingly wanting Cocona implies the later, so does her being with the twins.
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Yayaka feeds cute cats to her serpent god.
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>>149406031
ASCLEPIUS
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Discuss the significance of Buu possessing a brain considering the hints relating to robots and Papika's confused reaction to the word 'heart'.
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>>149405959
>Yayaka thinks being gay is wrong, so she wants to be a boy in order to have all of the Coconuts for herself
Makes sense.
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>>149406031
>serpent god
>cats
What do these two animals mean in terms of sex organs?

It's obvious.
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>>149406065
Papika was confused at the word "shinzo" because her vocabulary is extremely limited, as established by the previous episode. She probably wasn't familiar with the colloquialism that Cocona invoked, nor the anatomical word for the thing that goes dokidoki in her karada.

Buu's brain was pretty much just a one-off joke, but it serves to individuate him, since he has an irreplaceable organic component and thus isn't as expendable as a real robot would be. It also makes the slapstick gags more funny.

These two things aren't related
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>>149405903
Wasn't that just because she was careless and didn't pay attention?
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>>149406065
Men think with their dicks
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>>149406168
>loves creampies
>pledges herself to the phallic, masculine organization
>dresses like she's doing enkou
>frequently makes trips to the nurse's office
>chronically tardy and truant
>always tired, as though she was out late the night prior
>wanted to go to a highschool filled with nothing but horny, pent-up teenage boys with no other form of release
>lewdly exposes her forehead for all to see
The evidence should be adding up by now. Yayaka a slut
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Episode 5 is not a critique nor a satire. They're just inside a horror all-girl catholic schools. Why do people keep insisting it, I don't know.
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>>149405288
That smile is adorable
It reminds me of Aqua's smile
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>>149405252
>t.Mohammad
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>>149406430
Which one? Mohammad is an extremely common name.
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>>149406255
>>lewdly exposes her forehead for all to see
i will never understand this meme
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http://pastebin.com/x6iYLjq2

New and mostly updated.
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>>149406270
And the nature of that horror satirizes elements of the yuri genre, with characters trapped in highschool and unable to escape a loop of cute fluff moments that ultimately build to and progress nothing.

If you think Yuniko Ayana working on a Marimite episode isn't supposed to reflect on yuri, you're just clueless.
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>>149406600
>that ultimately build to and progress nothing.
This is just the westerner obsession wioth demonizing class S being projected onto the show. There was no significant theme of "moments that build and progress nothing" yuri or otherwise. The focus of the repetition was on school life itself, and the daily routine therein, being repeated with little to no variation until it became indistinguishable monotony. The ONLY thing that escalated between loops was the yuri, and there was certainly no indication that it would have hit a magical dead-end point somewhere down the line, or that the audience should feel short-changed by the fact that they escaped the PI before achieving some kind of lesbian payoff.

Most of the moments were also not cute fluff. Even the finger sucking was oddly and uncomfortably sexual rather than being a cutely intimate moment. It played right into the sustained horror conceit rather than subverting it for some kind of hackneyed message about highschool girls not going all the way.

In short, you're full of shit. I bet you haven't even read Marimite.
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>>149406865
Not that anon, but the writer is a yurifag who had expressed annoyance at class S and subtext show. Despite all the girl on girl intimacy, these shows are anti-yuri in the sense that the girls are never shown to actually date or fuck each other, and most yurifags hate it.

Don't let us stop you from being in denial though.
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>>149406982
Appropriate since she's a cold-hearted machine without a soul.
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>>149406865
The only thing that escalated was the degree that they were in the world's sway. There's certainly no theme of "monotony" - the girls enjoy themselves more and more accepting of the repeating daily life with each loop.

Again: if you think a episode explicitly parodying one of the most well-known examples of that form of yuri story, worked on by someone like Ayana, is commenting on yuri, then you are simply clueless and proud of it - and that's not even getting into the highly subtle visual clues such as, say, there being lilies fucking everywhere. Japanese people talk and complain about genres too, you know.
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>>149407221
I meant "is not commenting", obviously.
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>>149401064
Left x Right
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>>149407221
I didn't say it's not commenting on yuri, did you even read the post you're responding to?

If you seriously think the episode was satirizing a wasei-eigo genre term that's almost a hundred years obsolete and only used by ignorant westerners, you must be fucking delusional. This episode had absolutely nothing to do with some imagined dissatisfaction a production member feels towards yuri stories that don't end in explicit sex.

You're just pushing your own feelings about yuri onto the show. This episode wasn't making your ignorant genre critique for you, and if you seriously can't see beyond "waah the girls aren't gay enough waah" to see what the actual genre work at play here was doing, then you're just an idiot.
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>>149407415
STILL Cocona.
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>>149406982
Papika is so smart.
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>>149407522
Then what is its comment? It's certainly not "the daily routine therein, being repeated with little to no variation until it became indistinguishable monotony", which is very clearly the exact opposite of what the characters experienced and you just made up on the spot.

>If you seriously think the episode was satirizing a wasei-eigo genre term that's almost a hundred years obsolete and only used by ignorant westerners, you must be fucking delusional.
You are the only one using the term "Class S" in this conversation. The episode is very clearly themed around yuri; given that, what do the central plot elements say about it? The episode used time loops and mental influence - the two main obstacles of this week's PI - to satirize yuri stories in which romance is suggested but never developed. Cute moments repeat and blend into one another, but ultimately nothing really changes, just as Cocona and Papika were influences into accepting the recursion of identical scenes and forgot about what they were trying to accomplish in the PI.

>This episode had absolutely nothing to do with some imagined dissatisfaction a production member feels towards yuri stories that don't end in explicit sex.
Again, you are the only one who said this. But if you think complaining or talking about looping plots that go nowhere is somehow a uniquely Western topic and all Japanese commentators have Zen acceptance of all flavors of yuri, you've clearly not been on many Japanese yuri or lesbian boards when something like Hibike was airing - 赤い釣り糸 indeed - nor are you familiar with the writer. 
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what theme do you want to see for a future episode

i hope that the fairy-tale-fable theme of the ED is a theme for one.
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>>149406982
why would someone make this?
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>>149409193
Because its always requested.
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>>149406982
>what the fuck am i reading
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>>149406982
Perfect
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>>149405785
Buu-chan is literally me.
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>>149399350
Phantom World was fucking trash though.
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>>149399533
>used a non-overused reference
I can get behind this. Still having PPK go "Here's PAPIKA-DESU" would have been hilarious as well.
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>>149399241
Me on the left, I can read.
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>>149409193
it's a /g/ meme
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>>149406982
what is this, /g/?
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Not enough bathing scenes
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>>149400023
The transformation sequence
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So when are Cocona and Papika going to kiss? If they didn't do it in the doki doki lesbian world, will they ever do it?
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>>149409759
If they did it in the gokiverse, it wouldn't count since they're being influenced. They'll kiss when their feelings have bloomed genuinely.
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>>149401098
I'm disappointed that no one responded to your joke anon. I thought it was funny.
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>>149409697
What are you talking about?
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>>149405959
I don't think it's meant to show she wants to be a boy, but that she represses the fact she loves girls.
Notice Yayaka is trying to "conquer the world," which is probably there to show that rather than conquer herself, she would rather conquer everything else to avoid confronting her own truth.

Cocona is similar in that she's clearly repressing herself as well, which is why she became an isolationist, and why the constant motifs of dark, lonely places, as Cocona is rejecting that which would imply happiness to her.

Then you also have Papika, who is open and honest about herself. She shows no inhibitions regarding her own feelings toward Cocona, which is in stark contrast to both Cocona and Yayaka.
Papika is also always associated with light and colours in Cocona's point of view, since she's the one who's taken Cocona out of her usual isolationism and lethargy, and brought her into a "new world", which is likely a metaphor to Cocona opening up herself to her own feelings.
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This is my AOTS.
I'm a little sad that it's not successful but I'm just glad that it happened and is able to watch it with /a/.
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>>149409933
>their eyes have no color
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>>149409148
It might be cliche, but I want to see an Alice in Wonderland episode.
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>>149410035
You can help make it successful anon.
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>>149409821
レッツ フリップ フラッピング!!!
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>Me, blackhead in the middle.
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>>149410136
I'll at least purchase an artbook if something like that comes into existence.
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This part
THIS MOTHERFUCKING PART
Help
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>>149410035
It's magical there's a show this season I am enjoying with you fags so much.
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>>149410178
>they're the power puff girls
3hz for bros?
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>>149410027
So we can expect Yayaka to accept the gay and become a good guy.
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>>149410284
YYK will make a heroic sacrifice for CCN's sake in the 11th episode and die a hero. Her last words will be telling PPK to take good care of CCN from now on.
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>>149410284
Yayaka is the true protagonist.
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>>149410284
>accepts the gay
>the girl you love ran away with the school's retard
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>>149410284
Who knows? Not all gays end up accepting themselves and become happy.

For all we know, Yayaka will be forever in denial and live (or die) protecting a lie.
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>>149410284
Yayaka can become some sort of lesbian Homura. Out of the girls I think she and senpai have the highest chances of dying.
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>>149410414
>lesbian Homura
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>>149410245
>>149410273

Ǧ̣̜͙̩̮͛̒̊̿͌͛ͧͯ͌͛̐ͅo͎͓̘̪̽ͨ͆̊ͯ̄̓k̩̹̻̠̯͋̽͛ͮ̓͑͑̉̒̂ͤ͑i̩̝͈̗͈͔̜̩̦̙̝ͦ̈̊̾ͣ̓g̞̮͔̮͈͎̰̗̱̠͉̐ͨͬͬ̈̊͆ͮ̆̇̒ͮ͗e͙̻͈ͬ̽̒̎̓ͦ̄ͮͦͬ̓̒̽ͧ͂̓n̞̯͉͚̬̗̻̥̮̯̹̤͕̗̜̱ͬͣ̎̾̓ͭẏ̲̣̫͉̞̹̭̫̫͕͓ͯ͆͒ͣ̍̓̄̐ͮ̎͌͊̒̔ọ̘̟̟͖̟͓̜̙̟͖̳̯̫̘̼̦͈ͪͯ̆̆̃̓͑̂ͬ̈̔̀̍̑̚ǔ̫͍̳͎͖̺͚͓̳̣͕̟̿ͣ͂̏ͩͫ̄͐̍͆ͮ̄
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>>149410349
She can always try another route.

>>149410414
>Out of the girls I think she and senpai have the highest chances of dying.
Senpai doesn't seem to be involving herself with things that could kill her, so I don't know about her. But Yayaka could fall down that path, I agree.

>some sort of lesbian Homura.
This meme is going too far.
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>>149410414
>transgender homophobic Homura
ftfy
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>>149410460
>gets all dorky dorky when somebody criticizes her dress
Loser.
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Watched this show.

Gay.
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>>149410357
That'd be dark, I don't think this show would do something like that. But I guess there's enough time for a lot to change, we are only at episode 5 of 13.

>>149410546
Yayaka is the best.

>chucks Papika out of the bed when she's sleeping with Cocona, doesn't even give a fuck
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>>149410522
>closet-homo Homura
That's literally what she is, but instead of fighting to save one person, she's fighting to change the world and by doing so protect herself.
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>>149410573
Thanks for your valuable input, now we know you understand the main relationship between CCN and PPK
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>>149399373
they are nip napping lip lappers
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So I avoided this show until now because the ratings were pretty shit, but I decided to watch the first episode, then all the rest...because sheeeeiiiiiiitttt, it's so god damn cute and mindless fun.

wtf I love flip flappers now
And I dropped every other show airing because they can't compete with this.
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Wasn't Homura such a dork that had to put the entire universe in a bottle to realize she was gay?
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>>149410587
I found the deleted scene of that part.
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>>149410723
>it's so god damn cute and mindless fun

I know, it kind of reminds me of Phantom World
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>>149410784
STOP IT
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>>149410784
PW was none of those though.
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>>149410723
Man, given the industry's situation any show that is flip flopping deserves a look.
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>>149410784
The color composition and post-effect choices seem better than Hibike, in my opinion. Although different shows require different techniques, obviously. Spoilered because off-topic.
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Goddamn, y'all are missing the obvious joke.

Yayaka is the girl whose childhood friend becomes entangled with the mysterious, vibrant new girl that occupies her thoughts and becomes her closest companion.

She's a lesbian Yaya.
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>>149410875
It was fun stop being a faggot.
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>>149410989
it wasn't.
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Oh humans, you so crazy.
http://hyperartthomasson.tumblr.com/
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>>149411149
>tumblr
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>>149411149
>tumblr
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>>149411248
C'mon, nobody ships thomasons, right?
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>>149411310
pipe x box OTP
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How will Flip Flappers save Christmas?
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>>149399241
yurishits took the bait so hard.
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>>149411469
Saving otaku some money by making them have one less show in their list of possible purchases.
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>>149411469
they will kill off Yayaka.
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>>149411469
Kill Yayaka, kissu, hand holding in a field of lillies, grandma joins the hunt in a sexy outfit.
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>>149411626
This post is like sex with Yayaka. Sweet at first, but then it gets weird.
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Flip flappers? More like flop floppers, amirite?
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>>149411536
>>149411669
You guys are mean.
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Aren't Cocona and Yayaka supposed to be childhood friends? Why do they act like casual acquaintances?
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>>149411817
It's an implanted memory.
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>>149411817
Cocona is hard to approach, you need an over the top genki girl like Papika to break the ice.
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Does anybody else really like bath scenes, but like in a nonsexual way?
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>>149405418
>If the show doesn't do shitty LN style exposition and banally go over ever super cool detail then it doesn't make sense
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>>149411917
>tfw no one to wash my back

It's just so practical. Wish I had a twin.
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>The term Thomasson comes from the professional baseball player Gary Thomasson, who was signed by the Yomiuri Giants for a record-breaking sum of money, and spent his final two seasons with the team (1981-1982) coming close to setting the league strikeout record before being benched.[2] Akasegawa viewed Thomasson's useless position on the team as a fitting analogy for "an object, part of a building, that was maintained in good condition, but with no purpose, to the point of becoming a work of art."
fuck, that's brutal
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>>149411817
They each have rather cold personalities in their own way, it's not surprising that they don't act all lovey dovey like Papika does.
Despite appearances, Cocona and Yayaka have both shown that they care deeply about one another.
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>>149408602
I'm pretty sure the author said she's not one of the retarded militant yurifags anymore, and just likes girls being together in shows in any fashion. Nothing indicates an in depth commentary about the lack of progression in yuribait series.
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>>149410102
>their eyes have no color

You're right. Even when it's light enough for their hair to have color, while looping there eyes are nearly colorless.
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>>149412241
The author said she doesn't want to police other people's definition of yuri anymore, but she still have her own. Proof is that even now she still doesn't consider Kinmoza manga yuri, but she accepts that there are people who think it is.

Her personal definition of yuri had only loosen up to the extent of Yuru Yuri, a series where despite no girls successfully entered a romantic relationship with another girl, the romantic intention is still clear. It's canon that Chinatsu wants to marry Yui. It's canon that Ayano wants Kyouko inside her.

That is not the case of class S and friendship shows. Class S is literally "gay until graduation." Friendship is nothing there. Yuniko is now okay with normalfags categorizing these girl/girl intimacies as yuri, but for her, they are anti-yuri shows and deserves being mocked.
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>>149412241
She said that she mellowed a bit to the point that she could accept things like Yuru Yuri as being yuri. That doesn't mean she is above criticising those sorts of stories for infantalising their characters.

She also said that she was so frustrated at the subtext in Kinmosa that it pushed her to make the Locodol girls straight up gay.
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>>149412478
It's symbolism. Yurifags are dead on the inside and lack souls.
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>>149412499
>but she still have her own.
Check the last thread. She explicitly stated that she doesn't think that way anymore and that anything with two girls is yuri. If you think otherwise then feel free to provide a recent source that actually quotes her directly.
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>>149412523
Nuh ah. It's showing that fake yuri is soulless.
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>>149412558
How about you actually reread that interview instead of taking her words out of context? And you have reading comprehension problem, seeing how you completely ignored the fact that I addressed specificcally that part.
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>>149412663
Anon I get that English isn't your first language so reading is hard sometimes, but she said it in very black and white terms. No amount of mental gymnastics can change that. "I used to have this strict, purist view, but now I don't."

Very nice and simple.
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>>149412598

It's a much more subtle version of the mask from Ep 3.

Their eyes are masked because their personalities have been affected by Pure Illusion. Papika much more so than Cocona; Papika's normally blue eyes change to dark brown as she quickly forgets her objective in coming to PI. Cocona's just become darker brown; she seems to be doing slightly better at keeping on task this time.

And as with the mask, maybe PI is just bringing out Papika's desires, in this case to have a normal school life, with friends and human warmth.
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>>149412733
Nothing like this is truly black and white though. If you had to quickly sum up the writer's feelings, then sure, you could say that.
However, in discussing FliFla it's worth putting her words in context and understanding the reason that she came to make that statement.
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>>149412861
Anon, the statement is very black and white. Why try so desperately to twist her words?
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>>149404293
Last night episode five actually made me have me a nightmare. All I remember from it is looking through a doorway where there was nothing, doing something, and looking back at the doorway seeing a g0K1g3ny0u about 15 feet from it. It spooked me enough to wake me up at about 5 AM.
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>>149412499
That's a cool way to look at it. How can I reach yurifag enlightment like that Miss Yuniko?

>It's canon that Ayano wants Kyouko inside her.
Urusai.
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>>149413057
Read the interview. She now enjoys girls on screen together, and has moved passed the juvenile "They need to be real lesbians and kiss!" phase. She just enjoys cute girls being together in all forms.
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Wonder how many thomassons have killed people.
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>>149413218
Not the other guys, but I don't find that juvenile, and I do believe it would be good to have a distinction between works that actually intend to develop things between girls, and the ones in which things are meant to stay as pure subtlety (or just gratuitous service).

Mind you, I can enjoy either form, but it would be useful to know when there's an actual intention of showing lesbianism, as opposed to just show two girls who are really close and leave everything else to the imagination.
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>>149411917
Yes! So relaxing!

In other countries, it's considered normal to want to take a bath with your friends, which is weird for me but I at least understand why.
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>>149413456
It would be nice to know in the sense that it would (hopefully) stop a lot of stupid arguments, but as someone who doesn't care either way, it doesn't really change the viewing experience.

And I don't know which world you're living in where getting into heated arguments and writing huge blog posts about how fictional characters should have the sexual orientation that suits your particular fetish isn't juvenile.
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>>149413553
I don't find it juvenile, because hoping for actual and honest development in yuri in anime is a legit concern. When stories keeps sticking to subtlety and subtext, you reach a point in which actual romantic development can never be had, and then ultimately yuri would be nothing but a vague relationship between two girls that can be romantic or not.

Now, was her behaviour overboard? It indeed was, but I would still wouldn't call it juvenile, as that would imply she was bitching for no good reason at all.

As for the arguments, I don't really care. I, for one, care about the payoff.

Does this mean I want every work to be like, say, Girl Friends or Sakura Trick? Not really, I for one enjoy shows like Yuru Yuri too, in which even if there isn't open lesbianism 24/7, the story is still very clear about what it is doing.
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Yayaka demands Citrus animu.
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>>149413406
I like that the useless door is so much prettier and well-maintained then the functional door.
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>>149413743
Wishing that every depiction of female friendship evolved into homosexual romance to sate your fetish and demonizing the presence of male characters isn't juvenile?

Ok then.
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>>149412908
Not that anon, but the one who is desperately taking her words out of context is you IMO. Yuniko stated in black and white that she no longer think strict yuri definition should be imposed on other fans, but she is still frustrated about Kinmoza and had to vent her frustration on Locodol.

Yuniko doesn't like fake yuri friendship. Sweet and simple.
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>>149413875
Read it again anon. She straight up says she doesn't have the strict standards she used to have. That's really all there is to it, no matter how much you reach. She doesn't suddenly mean something different than she said because it suits your argument.
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Yuri in itself is a pretty shitty genre, as a subset of romance which also in itself pretty shitty. Most of them are boring as shit. They never have the balls to take the first initiative. Not even on the level of laughable melodrama soap opera, like typical romances. Only a handful are good, like this show. It's mostly because of the animation, while the relationship development in this show is a forced one.

Just goes to show you the artistic level on this genre, when the critically-acclaimed ones are series like Blue. Literally pretentious soap opera, no sophistication whatsoever. Expressionism, my ass.
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>>149413964
I'm more inclined to trust the judgement of posters that don't resort to strawmans and juvenile insults.
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Reminder that Happy Sugar Life or Citrus anime adaptation will probably sell better than this show. if only Infinite funded them instead.
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>>149414054
I can't imagine Happy sugar life in anime form. The manga is barely coherent.
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>>149414020
>I'm more inclined to trust headcanon over the writers actual words
Found the juvenile yurifag.
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>>149413999
You make a great point and in the end it's really all about what you experince on screen, not the opinions of strangers online. It's a special pleasure to be able to discuss our differing opinions and interpretations.
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What was that yuri mango with autistic senpai and her kouhai? they wrestled in their first time sleeping together. Maybe it would have decent sales too.
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>>149414134
What point? Saying you don't trust the words "but can just tell" what they actually meant isn't a point, it's fucking stupid.
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>>149414156
She straight up said she's frustrated of Kinmoza and had to gay up Locodol. You pretending she didn't say that won't make it disappear. Ommitting is taking things out of context, anon.
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>>149414183
And? How does frustration over her instructions on one show change her explicit statement that's she's not a strict "yuri HAS to be lesbian romance" type of yurifag anymore? You can't wave off an explicit statement because you don't like it. One of the two things talks about one show, the other is a statement about her overall view and attitude. It's really simple.
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I get it that we have to spend a week waiting for the new episode, but is there no better way of doing so than arguing about yuri?
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>>149414264
Does someone have that council of yurifags has spoken pic?
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>>149413999
Not that I necessarily disagree, but when you say "a shitty genre," do you mean there is inherently something shitty about it, or simply because most products in that genre isn't done well?

I personally think it's the latter. There's nothing inherently shitty about yuri, it's literally just romance but with two girls. But the homophobic culture does suppress the freedom of expression. And when you don't dare to make a product out of fear it won't sell, naturally it will be less innovative than straight romance - something that has the benefit of sheer number. Straight romance got made so much that its small percentage of "good" stuff still have a huge number, while the niche lesbian romance will be small in number, even if it's bigger in percentage.
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I really loved that episode, I think it was probably my favourite thus far. I'm so happy that I can actually watch an anime that I look forward to and delivers every week, it feels like it's been years since I've liked something that much.
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>>149414601
I feel you. Too bad discussion is nigh impossible with these kinds of posters here.
>>149414574
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PPK is super cute
just try to prove me wrong. I fucking dare you
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>>149414601
Same. The last time I look forward to every week episode was Madoka. And this ep is my fav too.
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>>149414702
Why does Papika love seashells so much? Her box of precious things and nest were full of them.
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>>149399514
Are you serious?
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>>149414724
With all the Madoka comparisons, sarcastic or otherwise, I'm tempted to rewatch it because I didn't get very invested in it the first time.
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>>149414745
Because seashells are beautiful to look at, do you really need a reason for liking it?
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>>149414745
I'm sure armchair analyst anon wrote an essay about how it's a symbol for ovaries or something.
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>>149414144
That would be like watching the Yuri version of Mr. Bean.
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>>149414144
Yuri Mekuru Hibi

I got bored of it really fast.
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>>149414785
That shit was ridiculous. Basically everything is a vagina.
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>>149414888
>he didn't learn that about the twist that Yuri Mekuru Hibi was actually Qualia the Purple
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Furipu furapazu.
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>>149414992
>everything is a vagina.
I can't blame him.
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>>149415079
Let's flip flapping!
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>>149414494
Well, I admit I worded it too harshly. I mean, just look at the catalog in Dynasty Reader, or Yuri-ism releases, or whatever. It's all the same boring shit. How many of them have bulldykes, for example? Claudine, and then only a handful ones. It's mostly a high school shy ambiguous relationship with cutesy moesy arts, or shoujo ANGST, like that one girl who messes up her own shitty life out of internalized homophobia or something mental like that. And then the next typical ones are almost insultingly stupid fantasy plot, like this Amazon kingdom somehow missing XY chromosomes, or something like that, in which the lesbian relationship is no better than a fanservice.

I don't buy that homophobic prohibition of fiction in Japan. It's not like they're in Ukraine or Russia, or any third world countries. In fact, yaoi, bara, yuri, etc. is so abundant in anime-manga, it's probably over-commercialized.
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>>149414992
Can't see how that is anymore ridiculous than anons think any and every cylindral shape is a penis. Clams are actually euphemism for vaginas. Bumping clams is lesbian sex. Clamjam is women's version of cockblock.
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>>149415224
Did you read that pastebin?
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>>149415224
The tower actually changes shape in the PI world, the top becomes more rounded. It’s clearly a dick.
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>>149415318
Even if that's true, I'm not really sure what the intention is. They break out of unfulfillable yuri by destroying the giant penis, by uncovering the mystery of the penis or something else entirely?
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