Schwarzesmarken / Total Eclipse / Muv Luv

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Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7CC7i6brEI

>>146653064
I'm this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yff2xOFo4mg

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アージュ作品はヒロインこそ死んでなんぼだからな。
メインヒロインですらメインルートで事故で意識不明になったり脳髄だけになったり死んだりと。
死なない奴はヒロインに非ず。

ちなみにカティアは柴犬の物語におけるもう一人の主人公（的意味のヒロイン）なので例外。

さらに柴犬の厳しいところは本編までに過酷かつ悲惨な経験をした娘（アイリス、リィズ、シルヴィア、ファム、ベアト）は死んで、悲惨な経験をしなかった娘（カティア、アネット、グレ子）が生き残っているところ。
生死だけで幸不幸は語れんがなんとも……

改変しまくりのクソアニメだったな。
原作最大の見せ場のベルリンの壁壊す所カットしてるもんだから
シナリオが色々破綻してる。

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>>146653272
Nice

>>146653304
I'm on my phone. What is this, comrade?

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>>146653064
/NVA/ & /CA/
BFFs4lyfe

>>146653304
>>146653613
Nothing that hasn't been stated before. SM is suffering central in a franchise that already thrives on suffering. And the Anime gored the story.

>>146653613
I guess it's Jap Katia and anime basing. He uses "Kusoanime" at the end, and complains about unfairness that the people who suffered least (Katia and Gretel) got everything while those who lost their lovers, families, and suffered the most (Lise, Beatrix, Iris, Sylwia and Pham) got absolutely nothing and died. He also makes some complaints about the Battle of the Berlin Wall scenario being changed drastically in the anime, and claims the scenario is morally bankrupt or something.

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>>146653725
Indeed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFAUxJTs7bM

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>>146653064
Ja!

>>146653836
>Gretel
>suffer the least

She was shot and left to die inside the burning Stasi archives and three months later she is still hospitalized
also, the nation she wanted to defend was given away for literally nothing

>>146654144
Her "dead" husbando magically turned out to be alive, rescued her from a situation where she should have been dead by all rights (other characters have died from much less), and married her, and she basically didn't have to actively do anything to get it.

>>146654283
Just like in the LN
;^)

While I do agree that some circumstances have been arranged to guarantee her survival.
And she did seached for him or tried at least. her last lines where "At least now know that he is alive"or something like that

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>>146653836
I know we say it a lot, but I love how we're the same across nations. JP and Chinamen fans, if you see this, I salute you.

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So would you sleep with Theo if it got you into bed with one of the girls? Caveats are that you'd have to stare him in the eyes, kiss him, and hold his hands when you cum in him. And yes, this even applies to Lise.

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So what did Theo do lads?

About to join the Werewolves?

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>>146655872
>this even applies to Lise
Well when you put it that way how could I refuse

>>146655872
I'd penetrate Theo even if it doesn't lead to vaginal intercourse. I may detest his attitude and personality, buy I'll admit he's still one sexy bastard.

>>146655961
He probably wasn't showing enough revolutionary spirit.

>>146653304
>>146653836
What was Pham's major trauma or past tragedy anyways?

I wonder how will they handle character of Beatrix in Martyrs. Not that I don't understand where some of her villany comes from.
But will they manage to flesh her out in VN? If only way to undrstand her behavior is to read BiS they will fail in making her capable of standing on as her own character.

>>146656526
Aside from getting killed, I think there was mention she was subject to prejudice as the only Vietnamese family in East Germany.

>>146656793
>she was subject to prejudice as the only Vietnamese family in East Germany.
The Viets were to the East what the Turks were to the West. There were lots of them and while the top welcomed them, the common German on the street either didn't or was indifferent to them.

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>>146656793
She wasn't the only Viet family in the DDR. I think Pham's background is that she had a large family, with many brothers and sisters. She was very, very close to her family due to her Asian culture and being discriminated against. Then they all died and Pham was alone, in a country full of hostile racist who made her life hell. She had no one to lean onto until Irisdina came into her life and recruited her.

It's why she wants so much to be a "big sister" to the other 666th, because she really wants to have a family again, and it's why Theo fighting Lise hurts her so much.

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>>146656526
Most or All her large family is dead, if I recall. That and horrible prejudice for the only land she ever knew.

This is when someone finally accepted her.

>>146656851
t. Gretel Jecklyn.

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>>146655872
Stop trying to make me gay.

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>>146657142
I want Pham to hug me from behind while Irisdina hugs me from the front.

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>>146657928

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Takeru did destroy the brain in TDA 3 right? So does that mean he will cease to be the causality conductor and return back to where her was just like in Alternative?

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>那么,之后立刻执行预定方案━━一切为了史塔西。特级上将同志」贝阿特里克斯待通信切断后,累了似的深呼口气并撩了下波浪黑发。但眼瞳深处却露出深深的恐惧色调，不但是因为这次重要行动的失手将导致自己的地位将在上级那里受到怎样的恶劣影响，更因为之前导致本次行动被搅乱的因素实在是过于悚然听闻以至让一向凶狠的狼人指挥官都难以置信所以没敢如实上报

Why did they remove all of Beatrix's emotions in the anime. She gets tired and stressed as fuck in the LN.

>>146658646
>Why did they remove all of Beatrix's emotions in the anime. She gets tired and stressed as fuck in the LN

Because it's the anime. Everything is being truncated and shoehorned to make things fit into a 1 cour series.

>>146658604
It was some random brain in the JFK hive, I think.

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>>146658646
>you will never meet at the door an utterly exhausted, sweat encrusted, gunpowder scented, lip trembling and about to cry Beatrix who knows how bad she smells and still comfort her.

Ah well.

>>146658604
wew what game is this? Is it subbed?

I want to get into this series but don't know where to start. Do you guys have a pastebin?
I've watched the anime and want to jump into the VN's now. But there are like 6? Where do i begin?

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Is Yui using the yellow Takemikazuchi back in Japan or is it just the grunt version of the Takemikazuchi as show in episode 13 of TE?

>>146659346
>separate from the others
>in identical mechanical connections to Yokohama
>JFK was carrying top classified cargo from Yokohama

If it was genuine random JFK brain it'd only have the glowy blue tubes.

>>146660705
That's a Zuikaku anon. It's the special snowflake 1st gen royal guard made for themselves.

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>>146660520
Its from Muv-Luv Chronicles Vol. 4. There is no SUBS for it yet though. I got that picture from another anon who replied to my post in the previous thread. I am also wondering how he got that game in SUBs.

>>146660571
http://en.lmgtfy.com/?q=muv-luv+guide

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>>146660735
>JFK was carrying top classified cargo from Yokohama
Is that the reason why the BETA attacked the JFK in TDA 00? All I know is that the JFK is carrying something which caught Willbert and Lilia's attention and the story did not even disclose about it in both TDA 00 and 01.

>>146660571
Your guide to Muv-Luv VN
[Spoiler]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=18&v=Gx1o3c47dUk[/Spoiler]

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I want to sneak up on this creatures, pull their tails and run away as they scream insults and curses in my direction.

>>146661152
>these
of course.

>>146658646
Because how else are you gonna portray her as a one-dimensional sociopath who's pretty much a female version of that white-haired guy from Date A Live?

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>>146660520
The Day After, one of the VNs. No it's not, fan trans.

>>146660571
Which anime? Schwarzesmarken, or Total Eclipse?

Also, the beginning is just plain old Muv Luv - Extra and Unlimited. That's the Kickstarter project was, bringing it up to modern systems, and official translation, so you can grab them on Steam. Otherwise, they're out there. The last in the Trilogy is Alternative, which is being translated by age now, though fan translations have been around for years. Either wait if you wish, or get the JP VNs now. Reccomended to wait for the official EN release since the original VN programs are very old by now, and may have trouble working.

Yes, ML Extra is basically a dating/romance/SoL VN. NO, under absolutely no circumstances should you skip it.

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>>146660705
That's the IRG's original character donut steel Gekishit F-4. That was a memory of Yui's, you can see she's younger there, couldn't you tell?

I want Irisdina to lose a bet and be forced to do a silly dance while wearing cat ears.

>>146661262
>The Day After, one of the VNs. No it's not, fan trans

I thought there are no fan subs available at the moment yet for TDA 02 and 03?

>>146661303
Lady Kyoko sucks. She is unworthy of piloting the Takemikazuchi.

Sylwia is for femdom.

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Lise is for spoiling.

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>>146661507
I want to buy loli Lise a huge dollhouse

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>>146661442
Ya sure she sucks at piloting?

Good God, catsuits. What a terrible world that doesn't have them.

>>146661582
>Ya sure she sucks at piloting?
She couldn't even survive a Fort Class even when her team is around.

>>146661582
>>146661664

That's inferior anime version of her.
I VN it is her who was piloting prototype blue Takemikazuchi that saved Yui AND fough on frontlines killing many BETA and boosted morale of fighting soldiers.

She dies months later with her entire IJG Battalion holding back horde of BETA to secure retreat of hundred of soldiers.

She was one of the best eishi, woman with brass balls and steel strong resolve to protect her nation and it's people.

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>>146661840
That's inferior anime version of her.
I VN it is her who was piloting prototype blue Takemikazuchi that saved Yui AND fough on frontlines killing many BETA and boosted morale of fighting soldiers.
I have not read the VN for TE. Did you perhaps read it in moon?

>She was one of the best eishi, woman with brass balls and steel strong resolve to protect her nation and it's people
So judging by what you had said, Lady Kyoko is the TE version of Jingguji Marimo? It is ridiculous for the anime to portray her as a useless squad leader who dies in a sad grim death with a terrified face at least Marimo takes on the hordes of BETA bravely in TDA 01

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>>146661562
Smuggle her out of East Germany while you're at it. An angel of that caliber deserves a chance to shine like the radiant sun she is. To have lots of kids with a loving partner worthy of her and grow old together. Maybe give Healanon a call see if he's available for the job.

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What wrong have she committed? Why must she be silenced by the Scarlet Twins?

>>146662460
Norhing, its just the the Soviet Union is as much a shithole as East Germany, but since its not central to the plot, it gets usually glossed over.

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>>146662460
Wrong place, wrong time. Now she gets a birthday image and we have to wait until the next year for a new Latrova pic.

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PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE

>>146656793
Actually not, they where an important number of Vietnamese
>By the mid-1980s, Vietnamese, along with Mozambicans, comprised the main groups of foreign labourers in the GDR.From a population of just 2,482 in 1980, the number of Vietnamese residents of East Germany grew to 59,053 by 1989

>>146656851
Unlike the Turks the Vietnamese where temporal migrants

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Is the Raptor really that good and something to be in awe of? Are there any other TSF that can match the Raptor?

>>146663138
>Unlike the Turks the Vietnamese where temporal migrants
Most never left. Despite the fact that there were several attempts to deport them.

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>>146663269
>deporting this
That's why the wall fell.

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>>146662055
Some of her info is rather early on in the VN.

And it's perfectly reasonable to be scared of the BETA. But really, she wasn't scared so much as being torn in half in that pic there

>>146662460
Her squad wasn't supposed to survive the "accidental" bombing, after the attack on the BETA in the base. Remember too, that Zhar is largely non-Russians, so in command's eyes, somewhat untrustworthy. I don't think Sandek really wanted to kill her since he had no grudge on her, but fixing the general's epic disaster of a "plan" required him to tie loose ends.

Loose ends like Latrova. Figured it out, knew too much, saw too much.

In the VN, well after what the anime managed to cover, turns out she and many Zhars did survive.

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>>146663252
>Is the Raptor really that good and something to be in awe of?
Yes it is that good. Better than that good.

>Are there any other TSF that can match the Raptor?
Not really. Hence why it's development and subsequent no export policy is setting off alarm bells around the world. Su-47 Berkut is maybe a front fighter, maybe a prototype. Mig 1.44 was rejected. J-XX, we only got prototype sketches. Rafale, Tyhpoon, and Gripen are all late 2nd Gen machines. Take's aren't really 3rd gen either - great machines, but not that much a quantum leap over it's predecessors that Gen 3 machines are supposed to be.

>>146663252
Yes, Raptor is in fact very good. Match - well, that is kinda hard to say. In a TSF on TSF battle, it's straight up the best, but other high-tiers can offer some challenge. But it doesn't shine in the anti-BETA warfare - though it still remains a very fast and maneuverable machine, it's not something spectacular. Su-47 and Takemikazuchi can more than match it here.

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>>146663523
>In the VN, well after what the anime managed to cover, turns out she and many Zhars did survive.

Which means that Latrova is not dead in the TE VN right? So which story is the actually story that is to be taken as canon, the anime or VN?

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>>146663963
The VN? The anime was advertising it. Latrova's story ended there in the anime because Yuuya isn't in a position to meet her for a while. That's why it's plausible she died, even if that information came from the guys trying to kill her. Admitting she's alive is admitting you fucked up a silence op.

>>146663252
YF-23 is propably only TSF that is clearly better machine that not only posses same anti TSF capabilities as Raptor but it is also out preforming it when it comes to Anti BETA operations.

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>>146664145
>YF-23 is propably only TSF that is clearly better machine
Is there any reference of the Yf-23 Black Widow in any of the VNs?

>>146663681
>>146663931
>>146664145
Damn, Cui got rekt by the Raptors. I wonder if the Infinities could take on the Scarlet Twins in the Blue Flag exercise.

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>tfw no Yugoslavia front VN

>>146664325
>Damn, Cui got rekt by the Raptors. I wonder if the Infinities could take on the Scarlet Twins in the Blue Flag exercise.
As long as they aren't Prafka-ed up they could very well beat the Scarlet Twins.

>>146664047
Is that scene from right after the Kamchatka Incident or before?

>>146664452
It's from after the Yukon incident.

>>146664343
Tito Broz dobar skroz

>>146664441
>As long as they aren't Prafka-ed up they could very well beat the Scarlet Twins.
So who is capable of dealing against them in Prafka mode? Shirogane Takeru or any other better candidates?

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>>146664343
Suffering
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEAXIoBPhBQ

Have a Yugo 29 (too bad that the artist got the flag wrong)

>>146664467
Good to know that she's alive. I'm fond of commanders like her in Muv-Luv.

>>146664513
Well, there is a chance, provided he has a top-tier TSF once in his life, but this is entering a realm of a full-on powerlevel shitposting, which doesn't really lead anywhere.

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>>146663931
Errr, as a parameter of the ATSF program, I am quite sure one of the specifications was that the TSF had to have a 100% overall performance increase against BETA, and both the YF-22 and 23 achieved that.

The 23 is better at fighting the BETA, but not by an extreme amount. And that's still a much better increase over 2nd gen TSFs.

>>146663963
Anime and VN are generally consistent. Is English not your first language? I thought I did say that finding out she's alive is past the point the anime ended (TE the anime seems it was cut short).

>>146664145
Not exactly. Like the real life ATF program, the two machines had certain benefits. In ML, the YF-23 was nearly as bad at being a hangar queen as the Takemikazuchi, while the YF-22 had considerably more uptime. It had much better melee capability, but a decent amount less maneuverability. And the YF-22 is slightly easier and cheaper to make.

I love the Black Widow, both irl and in the VN, but it's just lying to say the Raptor had NO positives over the BW.

An interesting side note is that part of why the BW wasn't chosen was because both of the main companies involved, Northrop and McDonnel Douglas, had had cost overrun and delays issues with their previous craft. With the A-12 Avenger actually existing in ML and making it to production, it's not exactly a 1:1 comparison.

>>146664325
>Is there any reference of the Yf-23 Black Widow in any of the VNs?

That'd be spoilers...

>Damn, Cui got rekt by the Raptors. I wonder if the Infinities could take on the Scarlet Twins in the Blue Flag exercise.

Very much could. Leon already figured out the key to defeating them.

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>>146655872

>Last episode
>Bestest Buddy got shot
>Had what seemed to be plenty of time to rush to the hosiptal
>Instead just sat in the cold to watch the sun set.

If glasses nee-san can survive being shot in a burning building and escape, that whore could had easily survive that gunshot wound.

>>146664838
>Is English not your first language?
Welp, you're right. I'm ESL speaker

>>146664838
Oh, I am not saying that Raptor is bad against BETA - it's still a high-end 3rd gen TSF, extremely fast, maneuverable, sturdy and all around good, it's just not as superior against them as it is against humans, because one of its main strong points, the stealth system, doesn't help against them - so, on that field, other top-tier TSFs can match its performance.

>>146664441
>>146664838
>>146665186
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyYVX6x1bqU
This is the best scene to debut the Raptors

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>>146665364
>dat engrish
>English can eat shit Repeat English can eat shit

It was quite realistic honestly

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Is this scene hinting towards Yui and Yuuya being siblings?

How mad would Beatrix be if you imply that she'd look better with blonde hair or that Beatrix as a name is ALMOST as beautiful as Iris?

>>146666192
>implying she wouldn't dye it to remind herself of Jurgen

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>>146665657
Well it depends on the anime or the vn, but in both, no. Remember the first time she cooked that in the anime, at Polestar?

If you wanna include the VNs, well then, nearly right off the bat. But only in hindsight.

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I want to cuddle with Vivi all night long.

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>>146666732

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>>146666732
I want to do the same to this Canadian concubine.

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I am going to marry this zampolit

Is this Shirogane with XM3 or otherwise?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkDsRFh7eIM

>>146652687
>teacupping

>>146668922
The XM3 doesn't exist in TDA.

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>>146669024
>The XM3 doesn't exist in TDA
So that means he pulls it out with pure skill?

I saw this TSF (picture related) opposite the Shiranui as i'm watching the TDA's opening theme. Do you have any idea what TSF is that?.

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I don't know what is it about Lise's forehead, but it makes me want to be headbutted by her until my nose bleeds.

>>146669306
>the TDA's opening theme. Do you have any idea what TSF is that?.
Its a Rafale.

>>146669412
Is it wrong to wish you could cover her face in your man batter?

>>146669564
What happened to the russians in TDA? Why is there no mention about them?

>>146669948
ded like almost the rest of the world

>>146669948
Ded. No battalions of cloned esper supersoldiers to turn the tide here.

>>146670116
>>146670143
So I guess what's left after Alternative V is only France-Canada and US-Japan.

>>146670305
There are a few other European stragglers, but they aren't really relevant.

>>146670350
What happened to those European stragglers and where did they seek refuge to after the fall of Europe?

>>146670515
They just appear during the JFK Hive assault, with no explanation of how they survived and where they spend the year or so since ALT V.

>>146670649
I though those eishi that appeared are the stragglers of the French-Canadian alliance?

>>146671699
The Frogs don't fly Typhoons.

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Beatrix is such a semen demon:

>“怎么了，丽姿。看到自己的老饲主，内心不安吗？”
>　　梳着双马尾的金发少女立刻摇摇头，“不，我没有。。。只是。。。”
>　　“呵呵，不要那么紧张。”贝拉特里克斯抬起丽姿的下巴，用那双妖艳的眼睛盯着她，“我说过，想要将情报透露给阿克斯曼的话，就随便你好了。”
>　　她凑到少女耳边才继续低语道：“你应该清楚现在的局面吧，即便是情报战柏林派也不是我们对手，阿克斯曼所能做的不过是垂死挣扎罢了，到时候他们都将作为叛国贼被肃清，我甚至可以帮你复仇哦，对那个玷污你身体的男人。”
>　　丽姿低下头：“我，我只是想救哥哥。。。”

>>146673555
So Beatrix reassures Lise after Axmann does something to her by stroking her face, holding her, and whispering things in her ear? Seems legit. I wonder how Lise feels about it all.

>>146673695
Relieved she has a shoulder to lean on. It's probably a big reason why she chose beato-neesan over onii-chan

>>146673695
I think Lise is attracted to her. Notice how Lise describes her eyes as beautiful.

It's kind of funny really, but those who hate Beatrix describe her eyes as terrifying, demonic, bloody, and so forth while those who like her say her eyes are stunning or precious.

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>>146673919
They are terrifyingly stunning. Like a succubus staring at you like your precious.

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>>146673555
>>146673695
>>146673787
>>146673919

>>146674121
Do you not tire of posting examples from the anime? If anything the japs, koreans and chinks, who have actually read the LN, bash it much harder than we do.

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>>146674121

ヒトコト投票箱
Q. ベアトリクスの究極の戦闘国家論は…
[1] 55.4% (531票)　やってみる価値はあったと思う
[2] 44.6% (428票)　やらなくて正解だったと思う

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>>146673555
>Lise
>getting fondled by Beatrix as she fantasizes to her about crushing Axmann's balls
>"I wish my brother was here with me"
Classical Lise.

>>146674789
Why is she sitting on that blue man's head?

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>>146673555
>Beatrix cooing over Lise, reassuring her over everything Axmann put her through
>Tells her that by working for her she could someday get a chance at revenge against him
>Lise bows her head "I, I just want to save my brother ..."

Lise 2precious2 pure for this world and Beatrix is good people.

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>>146674846
>blue man

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>>146676472
It's clearly a metaphor for the audience's blue balls. Those thighs will never be wrapped around your head.

>>146673555
So Beatrix wanted to gut Axmann? Why are they so chummy then?

>>146676763
>Why are they so chummy then?
He was her direct superior and could have sent her to the funhouse if he wanted to. Better play nice, unless you want to actually go there.

>>146676575
I feel more blueballed by Beatrix honestly. Lise gets romance and sex, but you get nothing with Beatrix.

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>>146660735
It is sumika's brain tube. Takeru learned the truth after he got inducted to the IRG and also he wouldn't get emotional on some random brain tubes.
>>146660964
>Is that the reason why the BETA attacked the JFK in TDA 00
Pretty much, they were carrying all the research of Youko and pretty much everyone's wants a piece of that

>>146675545
>>146674789
>>146673787
>>146673919
Beatrix is really just manipulating Lise, trying to get Stockholm syndrome to kick in. She probably doesn't care that much for her. You guys know that right?

Who would be more offended if you call them a boy: Gretel or Anett?

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>>146669306
>So that means he pulls it out with pure skill?
Yep, pure absolute skill that came from years of being sent into suicidal missions and leaving with monstrous results

>>146673787
So Lise suffers mental illness and needs someone to lean on?

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>>146677060
The only thing kicking in right now is your bait.

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>>146676575
Those are some God tier thighs at that.

>>146676763
You've never heard of gritting your teeth and biding your time till you have the chance to take the bastard out? Extra points for poetic justice by letting one his victims be the one to put him in the ground when its time to make your move.

Beato needs to at least appear friendly with him for the sake of diplomacy even if they both know the other would stab them in the back if given the chance. Its all a necessary part of the power play.

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>>146677150

Would you style Lise's hair, so she could have drills?

>>146677386
Drills don't suit Lise.

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>>146677386
Yes.

>>146677461
You hush. She could pull off any look she wants.

>>146677257
Kill myself? She indeed suffered mental illness as shown in the anime. Her sudden change of attitude in responses to one person to another is already a fact.

>>146677461
I don't know, she has that princess-ly appearance that might work with drills.
>>146677588
>tfw never noticed any similarities
Holy shit.

What should you do to teenage Iris and Beato so they both pout and run to Jurgen asking him to kick your ass?

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>>146677151
Anyone else excited for Beatrix and Farka cockpit CGs in Martyrs? The way that their legs are spread just gets my penis rock hard.

>>146677036
Hey, since when this volume for chronicles get subbed I thought it is only available in Japanese for now?

>>146678176
Why must VN Irisdina look way much better than in the anime?

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>>146677843
Same seiyuu too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baUY9LFlYh0

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>>146678453
Because Liden hired a cheap character designer/adapter for the anime.

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>>146678453
At least anime Iris can look decent in half her scenes. Same as Anime Gretel, Sylwia, Pham, and Annete. Anime Lise looks arguably hotter in many of her scenes/ Anime Beatrix on the other hand though...

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>>146678697
Beatrix is a very difficult character to draw/animate. It's one of the reasons why she doesn't get as much fanart. Even if they had a good budget, it'd still be very difficult.

>>146678453
Because anime wanted to do at least something realistically and make a German woman look like a horse.

>>146678697
>>146678825
Reminder that everyone on Mal and Reddit thinks Beatrix is ugly.

>>146678887
Who cares, they ain't got working balls anyway.

>>146678887
How?
The only girl I can see people having a problem with is Katia and that has less to do with her being ugly and more with her design like everything else about her being milquetoast and bland as fuck.

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>>146677733
Oh thats what you meant.
>as shown in the anime
Well theres your problem. No but really you're technically right, she is quite unwell and imbalanced by that point as anyone would be after being "broken" like she was, and probably could have used some professional help before things got out of hand. The fact the Werewolves don't seem to have an on hand psychologist seems like a slight oversight on Beatrix's part.

>>146664513
Takeru versus them in Prafka mode is no contest. he is literary god when it comes to TSF piloting. have you even read the VNs? he has like thousands of years of expirience piloting TSF

>>146678887
>Mal
>Reddit
>relevant to absolutely anything

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>>146679042
All the psychologists are dead. Besides, commies don't believe in that Western BS. How could there be mentally ill in the perfect utopia that is the DDR. Seriously though, these are people who turned over polizei work to the stasi because having an overt police force would go against their propaganda that there were no crimes at all in East Germany.

>>146679247
I want to bully Anett until she goes berserk.

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>>146679247
Truly the madness of communism know no bounds. Also yes Annete is pretty cute.

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>>146678176
Legs are great too, but Irisdina's lips get me going every single time.

>>146679066
>have you even read the VNs?
Which VN do you mean? Chronicles or Alternative? If you're talking about about Chronicles then no, because I'm still waiting for the english translation for that.

>>146679247
Yet commies believed that homosexuality was a mental illness and could be cured with drugs. It differed from country to country, with some commie countries being more pragmatic (like Tito run Yugoslavia) than others. The DDR was kind of on the crazy end, but they were also extremely efficient as far as communist went.

>>146679374
Trust me. She will just be another Chihuahua like Tarisa

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>>146679617
Iris is a full package deal for me. If we're talking about lips, Beatrix has her beat. If anything, Iris's pale, blueish lips sometimes turn me off.

>>146679732
>>146679617
I'd rape both.

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>>146679732
Yeah, Pham has better lips than Iris.

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>>146679732
Absolutely, but in >>146677151 Iris definitely starts to shine.

>>146679800
But which one would you marry?

>>146679931
Nicola

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why won't we be able to protect that smile? it hurts.

How many translations are there for SM VN? I remember seeing a korean translation from this post >>146679617.

>>146680117
Because it's too evil. I would rather go for Pham's or Iris'

>>146680213
Chinese, Korean, and English soon

>>146680213
>How many translations are there for SM VN?
Depends on how Degica's feeling. Apparently they are going to release a demo, probably to gauge interest later this year.

>>146680117
Because she's the main villain.

Would be justifiable to rape Axmann if he was a girl?

>>146679995
I certainly didn't expect that answer.

>>146680213
Degica promised a Demo and pending on how it sells a full translation of the first one. We might get lucky and get a full translation of both in a couple of years.

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>>146680342

>>146680396
Beat me to it.

>>146680396
Don't ever post Suzy "Scarface's retarded cousin" Zap ever again.

>>146680336
>>146680284
wasn't asking you people who don't understand her and SM.

>>146680343
>couple of years

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>>146662766
>mfw I found my old East German army kit, and am finishing my Soviet Army one
5 more countries to go!

>>146680488
SM is a plot-driven drama, not a character drama :^)

>>146680288
Did the korean translation come with the game itself or you patch it manually?

>>146680653
it's japanese. the coreans were just on top of translating it

>>146680343
>couple of years

The wait is killin' me.

>>146680624
>:^)

not really its about characters and their "ideals" and said characters views of the world. and in the end naivete wins.

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>>146680761
>and in the end naivete wins.

Yfw you have a collection of Muv Luv Chronicles and TE VN and you can't read shit because you are alien to moon.

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>>146679617
>>146679732
>Iris and Beato slowly servicing you with their mouths

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>>146674789
Lise is liebe.

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>>146680117

>>146681612
I feel so dirty getting turned on from seeing those sacks of perfectly sculpted flesh heave.

You are cornered by sex-starved Irisdina and Beatrix.
Which one do you choose? If both, how do you get them to behave and not claw each other's eyes out?

>>146681746
Bea-hime.

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>>146681746

>>146681746
both. By beating irisdina up and breaking her jaw.

>>146681612
Was she in pain, or was the shock so great that she didn't feel much before dying?

Whatever happened to the guy trying to create a Beatrix tulpa?

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>>146681746
>If both, how do you get them to behave and not claw each other's eyes out?

>you will never walk up to Katia and punch her in the face just because you were bored
She's a perfect bullying target.

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>>146681840
Is Lise an option? Because I'll take two of those please.

>>146680396
I take that back. This I definitely wouldn't rape. Or even think about in a sexual way.
Even Gretel is better.

>>146682219
Good. That way you can give two headpats at the same time.

>>146681930
>not abducting Axmann, tying him up, locking him in some room and promising that you give Beatrix the key if she doesn't hurt Irisdina
Pleb.

>>146682587
Iris is as dangerous to Bea as Bea is to Iris, you have to keep both in line.

>>146679904
>>146680117
There's a question I want to ask both of them and that's "How's Jurgen?"

>>146682936
Are you that guy who says "oops" audibly while handling live ordinance?

>>146662237
>you will never give Lise a life she deserves
Just imagine what it would feel like, to see her face when she comes back from school tired but excited to see you again

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I got the Marui doujin in today. two copies, but it's so clean and crisp and pretty that debinding one of them is going to be suffering either way. It's going to be a little while before I can get it scanned because I need to secure a scanner first. I think my buddy has one. If you have the money to blow ($50 for two via a reseller) I suggest you pick it up, it's nice.

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>>146684331
You're a pretty cool guy anon, Godspeed.

>Anons discussing TSFs
>Who is better, who can beat who and so on
>People still suck on Raptor dick
Christ, you people do realize that Berkut (in its intended combat readiness i.e. Prafka) can take on Take, Raptor and Tyhoon and win?

Point is:

Berkut>Type 00R=Raptor>Typhoon

>>146684331
Good on you. I was planning on seeing what I could do as well.

>>146684819
>Christ, you people do realize that Berkut (in its intended combat readiness i.e. Prafka)
So they have more than one or a token few built and a stable way to create Prafka?

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Vivi doesn't deserve to be hurt at all ;_;

>>146684819
ONCE THE J-20 IS MASS PRODUCED

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>>146685344

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>>146685195
I love Vivi's attitude towards Katia.

Why is Katia more deserving of being a TSF pilot than Vivi anyways?

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>>146685549
Because she's a special snowflake, and Irisdina knew who she was.

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>>146679617
Indeed

>>146685676
>"I'm pregnant, Theo"

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>>146685725
Well, they did hold hands and hang out in Irisdina's room past bedtime.

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>>146685391
Oh hey, where'd you get that? I only got the tiny lineart of it and the 1.44.

>>146685344
Points for kek, but "mass produced" is a relative term, considering most of China got eaten and they're chilling out in Taiwan. Hell by the time of TE, the commies are already being absorbed in slowly.

>>146684819
>he's actually starting equipment slitshinging
>>>/k/ is that way, already had enough of this shit on actual military forums.

>>146678887
I just love their stupidity though. It's always good for a few laughs and making me feel better about myself:
>I just finished Schwarzesmarken

>Which is a very American show about greedy, evil side of humanity as well as Germany and the Gestapo

>So it took the woman you loved dying to realize that you loved her or for you to have the courage to speak, when she's dead and can't hear you?

>What are you, a GDer?

>It's a good thing you didn't get together with Iris, Theodor cause you suck

>a beautiful badass was killed all because you took too damn long to kill a ugly subpar blue haired yanyan

>this is your fault, Theo

>fk u

>muv luv is low key tease ffs

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>>146685725
That would be dangerous.

>>146685887
You're not implying Iris is a bad girl, are you?

>>146686341

More stuff. I like how the average level of their posts is worse than our worsts shitposts. That's just amazing:

>Referring to Beatrix: i gotta say that the best part is when that #1 hoe dies, felt great t b h

On Lise:

>he was "adopted" so not blood related but she became a hoe to save his bro but bro killed her which is neat

>she slept around "for him" she says then she gets mad and says irisdina has her legs on someone else's lap baka jealous dirty slore
>irisdina even shot the man who 'made her a pet', (i think that was the guy anyways) only to die in the end alone

Miscellaneous stupidity:
>"Schwarzesmarken", that name sounds stupid as fuck. Sounds like someone used Google Translate.

>It and the other anime series of muv luv was ok, and everything needs more good and great, not 'ok'
>The series is really about the anime trope of "watch how nothing happens in relationships forever" along with being a disguised giant !@#ING TEASE
>There's other anime that were better while having dark themes, Darker Than Black, Evangelion and Shingeki no Kyojin were all significantly better than muv-luv, I think the only thing Muv-Luv/Schwarzes has going for it vs. the other is that it seems to have more of a approachable common man feel to it compared to the others-

>>146686620
I read an SM fic where they had Beatrix slowly dissolve in acid. Fuck these secondaries.

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>>146686524
>You're not implying Iris is a bad girl, are you?
The only bad thing here is that she isn't a bad girl for me.

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>>146685549

Nepotism. Alfred Strachwitz had friends in high places on both sides of the border if he could get his daughter to Hamburg during a crackdown/purge. Katia gets what Katia wants.

As far as we know Vivi is a literally who who was raised in a commieblock and whose parents are nobodies, so Vivi gets what the DDR wants, not what Vivi wants.

pic not related but it is what happened when i typed vivi into my search bar.

when you think about it it's pretty appropirate considering vivi got vivisected herself.

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>>146686620
Fuck the anime for screwing up Lise so bad. It shouldn't even be possible for people to get that impression no matter how retarded they are.

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>>146686620
>Miscellaneous stupidity:
>>"Schwarzesmarken", that name sounds stupid as fuck. Sounds like someone used Google Translate.


He's right though.

>>146687126
Even if he's right, he's wrong. A ruskie coined the term, and we all know what the commie overlords say is law in commieland.

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>>146686341
>>146686620
How can some people be so stupid?

>>146687849
The anime fandom off of /a/ is a shitpile.

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>>146687849
It's called who cares? The unwashed peasants can be taught how to read, taught how to solve mathematics, but at the end of the day they are caked in shit and don't want to be cleaned.

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>>146687849
They tend to get shit upon if they go anywhere that knows just a little about SM.

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Yui, Cryska and Inia are my waifus.

>>146684331

You are a man amongst men.

Someone needs to make sure these scans end up on the Panda, don't want them to drop off the internet when the thread archives or something.

>>146684930

Always good to have a backup.

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>>146688445
When the wiki is schooling animeonlies, you know things have gotten bad.

>>146688044
They are still of us, though. Well, the ones who stick on longer than the show airing anyways.

>>146688854
Off to gulag with you.

>>146676575
Theo is a cluelessly lucky young man.

>>146689888
Why is the wiki so bad?

>>146690401
it was once fun and then people who liked serious stuff put all the fun into a box

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>>146688854

I admire your persistence even if Yui would never agree to live in Colorado City with you. I hear there's some FLDS in Kootenay, British Columbia that might get along with you though. That might be too close to the USA for her tastes though.

>>146690437
Is it not better that way?

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>>146673555
What would you do if this woman hugged you, wrapping one of her legs around you as she leaned in and began gently stroking your face and cooing softly into your ear?

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>>146690742
I'll make it work somehow. All in the name of true love.

>>146690840
wake up

>>146690840
I would be terryfied. It could mean very good things, but it's more likely that she's buttering me up and she's getting ready to twist a knife into me.

>>146686291
Dont you mean /m/?

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>"For me, East Germany is a cage even bigger than the Brehme family. I'm not going to be at the mercy of my father nor will I become a tool for East Germany. If my father and the state want to treat me like a tool, then I'll make use of them as well."

>"Your decision may not have been the "good" choice, but it was the correct choice. History progresses on the sacrifices of people, does it not?"


Why would the anime seek to simplify Beatrix's character. She's one of the most interesting characters in SM, but instead we end up with
>sadistic smirk intentisfies

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26 Mᴏʀᴇ ᴅᴀʏs ᴛɪʟ Mᴀʀᴛʏʀs

>>146692019
These new additions help to make Beatrix a much more rounded character – she’s kind of a one-note villain in the original novels.

Now that I’m reevaluating Beatrix as a character, it occurs to me that she and Axemann are set up to represent different types of evil. Beatrix is someone who believes wholeheartedly evil. Axemann, however, has no ideology. He seeks only to gain power for himself. He was part of the Stasi because he held power there. When things went south, he sought an alliance with the revolution, extracting a promise that he would be part of their new government. When it looked like they were going to lose, he threw in with Beatrix and the Moscow faction. And when the people started to rise up against them, he hoped to seek refuge with the CIA. He has no cause – he will serve whoever will keep him in power. So there’s something to think about: who is the greater evil? The one who devotes herself mind and soul to evil? Or the one who serves, but has no loyalty to, an evil cause?

>>146692766
>type-94

kek.

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>>146692766
What type of idiot would draw moral equivalency between Beatrix and fucking Axmann?

>>146693746
Type-94.

>>146693746
/m/

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>tfw tda finale never

>>146690840
Lick her legs.

>>146685887
Don't forget they went on dates.

>>146690742
>Colorado City
No wonder he's cuckoo, living in a place like that.

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Scans when?

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>>146698045
Never. This is the best you're going to get because nobody bought the BDs.

>>146698133
The other version might be the only image of Beatrix's feet in existence.

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>>146698398
There's this, but we'll never get a good scan of it.

>>146692019
We'll get our chance.

The problem is even her things like sadistic smirk just lost all meaning in the transition. Even her basic mannerisms have layers to them. Probably the best example was the hangar scene, the one where the crew meets her for the first time.

>>146698634
The hangar scene was her trying to screw with Iris by fucking Katia over. There really wasn't anything more to it then that. Really, most of her scenes just establish that she's kind of a huge jerk, like her delaying Hannibal Battalion's rescue to try to get them all killed.

>>146689888
>When the wiki is schooling animeonlies, you know things have gotten bad.
We're a small enough fandom. We shouldn't be tearing ourselves apart, especially when we know who the true enemies are, the secondaries.

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>>146698398
Pretty depressing, isn't it?

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>>146699683
>>146698398
there is another feet pic.

>>146701160
What would it feel like to between those legs?

>>146701160
Beatrix is pretty cute without her lipstick.

>>146690840
Kiss her.

>>146692766
The man has his head up his arse, he believes that a few references out of nowhere make her more rounded than actually having a personality.

>>146702351
Depends on what your doing between those legs.

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>>146689996
Lucky for having a devoted imouto who would be more than happy to wrap said thighs around his head at any time? Who would do anything with him and be anything with him as long as it is with him, even die for him at a moment's notice? Absolutely. And he's still quite clueless to boot.

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Do Lise and Katia fight often?

>>146704558
It fucking hurts, that's what. Jurgen got these all the time.

;_;

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I want to be beaten up by Sylwia

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>>146657142
>>146657928
>>146658406

Those Monstrostitties

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>>146706473
More like rough house. Lise, Katia, and Anette tend to hang out during down time in the VN, and Katia naturally is the runt of the litter.

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How can anyone take this thing seriously?

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>>146708628
They rough house in the doujin too.

>>146708640
Look at those pullable braids. She's bloody asking for it by showing them off.

>>146708765
Is that Lise's tong or blood?

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>>146708852
>tongue
Damnit

>>146708852
Where, in the middle panel? Her mouth's open thats the inside of her cheek.

I would love to put Irisdina and Beatrix in very tough straightjackets, then lock them in the same room just to hear all the banter.

Guys, I'm planning to start reading TDA 02 and 03 which is only in Japanese sub. So I wanna clarify if it is difficult to go through it without any knowledge on the Japanese language?

>>146709217
Pretty much. ML in general is dialogue heavy. Go for it, but you won't get everything.

>>146709182
I second this

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>there will never be a sequel to alternative

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Why is she so stupidly evil? She even told the people who are doing maintenance on her equipment that she's going to have them tortured once she's done with them. She's terrible at this whole interrogation thing to. Contrary to what popular media has you believe, torture is not the end all be all of interrogation. She should at least try to make some deals with the 666th. Choosing the most evil route possible is just wasteful. I understand she was mind broken and all, but this seems to go beyond just simple reprogramming and into full evil bitch territory.

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>>146710574
Everybody's dead, Dave. There really is nothing left to make sequels about - at best there can be a story set after Ouka, but it's hardly a sequel. Well, I guess it is possible to just disregard the ending of Alternative and once again throw everybody into the loop, which looks like the way Strike Frontier choose.

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>>146710989

>>146710989
An anime spinoff should stand on its own merits instead of riding its predecessors momentum. As for the actual plot, Theodor is a pilot with an attitude problem but his skills make him a member of the infamous 666th squadron. Couldn't fucking resist, could you?

I'll be upfront, Schwarzesmarken reeks of misery porn, especially with that habit of using monstrous villains and I don't mean the aliens. It's very much a trait of teen focus media, a fascination with aberrant cruelty and the visceral reaction it incites. On this front, it's actually clever in using the stasi as villains given their historical contribution to the art of oppression and subtle psychological torture. But within Schwarzesmarken, their presence is really just a band aid for what I consider poor writing.

Kill shit at random, cause administrative chaos, posture, nothing you haven't seen before. If you think about the well known, sadistic monsters within anime, you may land on ones like Dio Brando or Kirei Kotomine. Both have traits that make them memorable. The former is at least creative in his methods while the latter spent years struggling with himself before accepting that the only thing that could make him feel is human suffering. The difference isn't in how you could interpret their backstories as sympathetic, it's a matter of presentation and depth. Both of these aspects are absent in Schwarzesmarken's resident monster, Beatrix Brehme, who is a smug, slimy, unlikable, grinning fucker that makes a lot of threats, but there's nothing substantive to separate her from the standard anime villain.

>>146710992
Everyone's dead, yes. I didn't mean a direct sequel, just a story set after they killed the superior

>>146709687
Alright thanks for the response. I will try my best to struggle through it.

>>146711011
Did the need to pick Lise to get this point across though. Beatrix and Axmann are already way more then enough, as >>146711082 says.

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>>146710989
A lot of characters in the anime act in incredibly stupid ways, theres no making sense of it. Read the books or play the VNs.

>>146711011
This still makes me mad. Lise is the primary Stasi victim in the main cast. Portraying her in a way that can lead to posts like these >>146710989 is either intentional dickery or absurd incompetence.

And making a character that gets either brainwashed or just plain forcing them into evil by fucking them up so bad they go insane and have a complete personality change only to say they are too far gone to save and kill them off is beyond horseshit. Trying to justify it or sweep it under the rug by showing them act comically evil so the audience might not notice their fuckery just makes it worse.

And when the truth about the original character is they weren't actually too far gone to save because they're really just caught between a rock and a hard place with no way out and no good decision to make then again killing them off is just unpleasantly unsatisfying as their character ultimately goes nowhere as they were pushed around by their circumstances till it killed them with no retribution or closure for the character themselves.

>>146686620
>irisdina even shot the man who 'made her a pet', (i think that was the guy anyways) only to die in the end alone
Am I interpreting that right? They blame Lise for that?

>>146711627
This >>146711082 is a copypasta of a review. The director despite his claims otherwise, went for "smacking it in your face repeatedly" when trying to get some points across and then adding single lines or short scenes to compensate for the differences to the source, and it didn't work.

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>No one has done a video of Muv Luv bombers set to Takin A Ride

Why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELUP-oZQKM4

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>>146710989
Basically, it's an enticement and threat. The mechanics will be interrogated - but what Lise is saying is that they're deciding how their interrogation is going to go. If they sabotage the Werewolf Migs, they will be put through torture that will make them wish they were dead. Do well and cooperate, and it'll be a "normal" interrogation.

She's offering what is a one-answer choice, my anon. Yes, it's the anime, yes it's executed stupidly, but essentially, that's what's going on. She's not saying they will be automatically tortured. Totalitarian systems often do this, or even more broadly, basic criminality sentencing follows this same carrot-stick logic. Plea bargaining can be seen in the same way, in that it offers a reduced, or even much reduced punishment, to elicit cooperation. Likewise, one aspect of collaborators.

This is part of how totalitarian systems often end up staffed by many humane individuals, good people - the majority. It's part of what makes totalitarian systems work - so thoroughly violating the contract, the bond between people, and taking away meaningful choice, that in the end even the good and strong bend way, finding themselves part of the system - and thus guilty.

>>146711082
I swear I saw this reposted from MAL or something.

>>146711855
Basically, that maggot was saying Lise was a supercunt because Iris did this revenge for her, and she couldn't be thankful to her brothers crew. Never mind that chronologically, this is cart before the horse stuff.

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>>146713668
I like this post.

And as for the pic attached to it its funny that it may soon be a reality if Theo does hop over to the Werewolves in a route and brings(or is followed) by Katia.

>Irisdina
>Sylwia
>Kirke
>Gretel
Dom

>Lise
>Anett
>Katia
>Beatrix
Sub.

Am I getting this right?

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Posting best girls!

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>>146714970

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>>146714970
>>146715001
how can you be this wrong?