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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://dekinai.neocities.org/

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>>144573037
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今日は
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>>144573179
二日
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>>144573037
>まだ意味不明、しょうもないネタをごり押しまくって
I'll never understand why of all the things in the world, this memes came to be
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>>144573037
ひどいよ、ぞい子ちゃん
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>>144573037
>http://dekinai.neocities.org/
>not calling it bitlasers.neocities.org
but my meme
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>>144573297
Fuck you zoi
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I feel pretty good about my japanese but i know deep down ive barely even scratched the doorknob
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>that jump in difficulty in FHs beach scene
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>>144573489
don't scratch the doorknob you asshole
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>>144573489
No wonder you're not fluent yet, you're supposed to lick it
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>>144574032
Wow my camera is awful, I wanted to show my textbook had an advertisement for Cup Noodles. One of the greatest american products ever.
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>>144573037
>>144573266
>>144573231
>>144573137
Zoi is basically a public toilet tier slut now that she's being posted all over the place and no longer fit to be DJT's official mascot.
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>>144574084
you never clean the smear of lard off the lens is why, tubby
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Was there a mascot before Zoi, besides 出来ない?
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>>144574608
well it sure as hell wasnt nep
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>Skipped my reps for 2 months
>1282 in queue
Back to the beginning I go again.
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>>144574681
Can we make Nep Nep DJT mascot? Even better, can we maker Vert our mascot?
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>Hey want to add me on X? You can practice your English with me and I can get some help too.
>Yes! Thank you! :D
This must be the easiest way to make lady friends ever. I've only had one ever say no and she was 10 years older than me anyway.
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>>144574744
>way to make lady friends ever
>make lady friends ever
>make friends ever
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>>144574744
Why do you want female friends? It's not like you'd have anything to talk about.
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>>144574792
諦めろ
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>>144574850
On the contrary I talk about anime with them and usually they like at least a few popular ones. I'm not petty enough to be insecure with my hobbies.
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What are some good sub editors? I've got these weird subs with Chinese subtitles embedded in the same track.
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>>144574608
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>>144574923
I think the most common one is aegisub?

Double line subs seems a bit weird though.

Did you check to see if those are hardsubs?
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>>144574923
http://www.nikse.dk/subtitleedit/

easier to use than aegisub
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おはようおにいちゃん

ずっきーにってどうやってたべるの?
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>>144574608
I'm the guy that made 90% of the first dekinai edits. I've been around since the beginning.

Dekinai was the first mascot after (arguably) namasensei. Namasensei wasn't much of a mascot but people did post him for a little bit.
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>>144575159
お尻にでしょ?
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>>144574710
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>>144573037
How much of my daily time should I invest into learning Japanese? I want to see steady gains and get good at it but I have to wageslave 12 hours a day.
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>>144575501
If you can put an HONEST 1 hour into it a day then you're doing better than 90% of the people here and will be able to hold a decent conversation in a year if you don't fuck up.
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>>144575526
i like to believe most of us here put at least an hour into in
more than 90% is a bit harsh
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>>144575501
The more you learn the more gains. It's a gradual increase so there is no optimal time slot.

>>144575581
He's projecting bad learning habits onto others in order to feel better about himself, don't pay attention to him.
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>>144575501
I put an hour a day and raised my JCAT score by 50 after 6 months
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>>144575614
>I'm projecting
I see the constant arguments here and I assert that 9 out of 10 of you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
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>tfw if you started 7 years ago you'd be fluent by now
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>>144575526
>>144575614
>>144575639
Thanks, so my goal should be at least 1 hour a day. I think that's doable, especially since I should be able to learn while wageslaving.

Thanks bro, time to go read the guide.

I won't disappoint you
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>>144575682
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>>144575682
Does it really take 7 years to get fluent in Japanese?
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>>144575718
How long did it take for you to be fluent in your mother tongue?

It's that long.
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>>144575718
if you're angelo, yeah
if you're chinese, korean, vietnamese, no
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>>144575956
This nigga's on the money, I fluentificized myself in English in about that time.
But you can do it faster by actively learning it every day, that way it'd take about a year if you're smart.
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>>144575987
If you're Polish/German?

I read that German and Japanese have some similarities but I'm still just at the beginning of the guide so my knowledge on Japanese is pretty much 0
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>>144575987
にほんに4ねんすめば

だいたいペラペラになっているよ

日本にきてもずっと英語つかってるひとは、何十年いてもしゃべれないままかえっていくよ
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I just put a picture of Dekinai Chan on my wall for motivation. Do you think it will help, DJT?
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>>144576290
しゃべるのは自然に身に着けるかもしれないが、積極的に練習しない限り何年日本にいても読み書きはできないだろう
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>>144576350
sure
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>>144575526
I've put more than 2 hours a day onto it for more than a year and can't hold a conversation for shit.
Can play Japanese games and read manga just fine so it's all good, though.
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>>144576499
Yea but you will never be able to hold a conversation in Japanese if you can't even do it in English.
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>>144576485
りょうりのほんをよめても

りょうりしないあのんくんより

りょうりのほんがあんまりよめなくても

りょうりするあのんくんのほうがすきだよ
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Are there any offline Japanese-Japanese Dictionary app for Android?
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>computer engineer by day
>singer by night

Jerome > You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODebErZ97NM&feature=youtu.be
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>>144577588
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>>144576659
毎日料理の本研鑽し料理実際習うトップシェフを目指すアノンくんはどうだ?
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ITS IMPOSSIBLE ITS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE
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>>144575718
depends on how you define it

I've always found it kind of strange how the word "fluency" often gets modified here and other boards (namely /vg/ and /jp/) to mean mastery of consumption skills (reading and listening), or being able to write stilted, caricatured phrases in runes. Saying it anywhere else would immediately evoke thoughts of speaking, which is not only rare, but completely ignored.

this is understandable for a hobby board, but it makes it a decidedly wrong place to ask serious questions about "fluency," its time frame, and methods to get there, since we get very few people who've actually proven they've reached that.

assuming you were even talking about that kind of fluency to begin with
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>>144574608
Kind of mascots: Namasensei, Steve Kaufmann, Dekinai-chan
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is my .txt fucked up or what? it shows the characters just fine when I open it normally.
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>>144577933
>live in japan all your life
>become mute because of an illness when youre 20
>tfw no longer fluent in your own language
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>>144577877
EVERYBODY JUST STAY CALM
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>>144578012
i cant do that when you post obsolete gifs
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>>144578049
you're obsolete
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>>144578070
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1469221154315.webm
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>>144577933
Fluency here always meant being on a level close to an educated Japanese adult, as in having both reading comprehension and the ability to hold a conversation about a fairly advanced topic.
That's a hurdle a bit higher than the usual "able to have a frivolous chat about nothing with some guy at a bar" definition of fluency you see elsewhere.
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>南よりなこの島の位置
I assume this means a place at the south of an island but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around how it works. Is よりな with a geographical location some special grammar? The one in the DOJG seems to work differently.
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>>144575718
from English, Japanese is considered the most difficult language to learn
http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
It's hard to say, I know people with PhDs in Japanese to English and Vice Versa for translating, who still are not perfect at their second language.
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>>144578152
How is that any different from the usual way より is used?
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>Wanting to move to this country
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH-kNnq7mFM
Being Japanese is suffering.
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>>144578271
The one in the DOJG works like 赤道より北に. Using that logic it would say further (towards) island than south, i.e. further north. I doubt that's what's meant however so I assume this よりな works differently.
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>>144578324
>01:07:45
You can't expect me to watch all this.
I guess it's the usual sob story about people too shit to fit in?
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>>144578372
Eh nevermind I feel like I get it now. I was too hung up on on the geographical comparative より.
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>>144577933
You're right,
fluency is a word with a lot of different meanings and frankly, it's getting bastardized by so many people. I'm German and I would consider myself fluent in English because I've literally spend my entire life on the internet and that's the level I'll be shooting for in Japanese, but when you hear most Germans speak English, even though they say they're fluent in it, they make the most blatant errors.

The thing that is in my opinion the most annoying are "polyglots". Maybe American don't feel the same but when you go to a polyglot youtube channel it's literally just 24/7 bragfagging about how "fluent" they are in so many languages and "dialects", usually shilling their books or blogs, but once you hear them talk in your native language it sounds absolutely horrible with constant grammar errors.

I have nothing against accents, it's incredibly difficult to lose them (I've been working hard on losing my English accent and I still have some) and some even sound pretty awesome but what these "fluent" "polyglots" do is just raping a language for the sake of youtube views and trying to trick others into buying their books.

My definition of fluency is being able to read, write and talk like a native or at least being very close to it.
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>>144578408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FYuYkPgDkk
This one is a lot shorter. Just for you!
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>>144578536
I think those videos are overreacting. I've seen and talked to some foreigners in my country and sometimes they're getting called out by racist scum for no reason as well. Just gotta ignore them and live your life. Don't think that the exception is the rule, most people love foreigners and are very interested in them, except if they're ignorant and criminals.
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>>144578536
>Now,we need to say clearly to silly foreigners.
>Remember your place!
>BAKA GAIJIN!
>thankyou

worth it just for the description honestly
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>>144578469
>ESLs who think they're fluent in English
Your use of language is clearly unnatural and stilted - it is immediately apparent you are not a native speaker. While technically grammatically correct, your prose doesn't flow off the tongue the way a native's would, and hence you are not fluent. Of course, not being a native you don't realise your lack of ability, and people are too polite to correct you, so you live an arrogant deluded life of lies, where you think yourself equal to the natives around you, never realising their deep inner thoughts of disgust and repulsion at your bastardization of the English language.
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Keeping up with vocals in a song takes longer than everything else, right? Weird vocab, slurring, non sensical sentences and whatnot
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>>144578734
Ehhh? What's wrong with having English as your second language?
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>>144578734
>your prose doesn't flow off the tongue the way a native's would
Calm down here, /lit/
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>>144577688
ばかね
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>>144578734
>While technically grammatically correct
he made several grammar mistakes actually
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>>144578761
Depends on the song.
If you can't keep with this you can't learn Japanese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYVFcJlr9e8
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What's the best way to learn just enough Japanese so that I can play untranslated VNs? I don't care about having perfect grammar or being able to speak the language properly.
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>>144578899
>that scene with god and buddha
heh
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>>144578954
The same as every other way. Read the OP.
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>>144578954
Read lots of VNs
Add every unfamiliar word to anki
Do your reps erry day
That's it.
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>>144578899
電波系はNGです
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>>144578990
This. Speedread through Tae Kim's grammar guide to get started with easy VNs, then just keep climbing.
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>>144578899
>not easy enough to keep up with
>not hard enough to feel like anon is meming
これはできないというの感じかな
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>>144578734
>and hence

Hello there my ESL friend
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>>144579015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EndgkNL-I6I
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>>144578734
I'm an ESL and read the Book of the New Sun, that makes me fluent right?
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>>144578787
You would do well to remember that language is thought; it is only through words humans are capable of expression and of emotion. 1984 portrayed this quite eloquently with the attempt of controlling dissident thought through the use of manipulating language, but it's fairly self-evident. So when you have the language of the internet, namely English, be that means of self-expression, that is how we demonstrate our individuality. An ESL is incapable of properly generating prose, this is clear simply by looking at their mangled, stilted sentences, and to a native, this means they sound like a mentally retarded person. This is not a metaphor, their expression of thought is quite literally that of someone who is unable to properly form coherent sentences, namely a retard. So to us, you ESLs are no different from someone with fetal alcohol syndrome, or Down syndrome, etc. Hence it is no wonder we look down upon and scorn you.
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>>144578536
>see dislike bar and view count
>expect to read a comment section full of japs divided on immigration issues
>comments load
>/pol/, reddit, and koreans going mweeehhhh
I was dumb for expecting anything else
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>>144579130
Why are you making fun of someone speaking another language? Isn't that the whole point of this thread; to learn a new language?
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>>144578734
>never realising their deep inner thoughts of disgust and repulsion at your bastardization of the English language
I've only really seen people getting upset at this in the last few years. Probably thanks to tryhards on boards like /int/ and /pol/.
You should take a break from those boards from time to time, get some fresh air.
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I only need to learn enough Japanese to be able to read some nice LN's. It's not impossible. It is not impossible!
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>its another 'ESL makes fun of another ESLs english' episode
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>tfw dreamed of Japanese again last night
Dreams are assholes, showing what I'll never have.
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>>144579334
for most of my life I thought ESL meant Espanol
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>open DJT
>autists sperging out about ESL again
>close DJT
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>>144579130
You sound like you have issues. Why would you even care so much about this in this thread of all places ? Did some foreign kid's grammar kill your parents ?

日本語でしゃべれよ、カス
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>>144579209
not even /pol/ but pic related got a chuckle out of me
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>>144579130
朝三暮四
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>>144579542
Someone etymologize me up
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>>144579130
I honestly don't care about my English skills lacking because I spent zero effort learning it.
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>>144579646
Just ask gogen sensei:
http://gogen-allguide.com/ti/tyousanboshi.html
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>>144579130
Wouldn't it be nice if your German was as good as his English?

>>144578879
>>144578469
>I've literally spend my entire life on the internet
*spent

>Maybe American don't feel the same
*Americans

>The thing that is in my opinion the most annoying are "polyglots".
"are" here should be "is", because "thing" is singular. The whole phrase sounds strange anyways: "thing" is singular, but "polyglots" is plural. Also, polyglots are people, not things. I'd recommend rephrasing it entirely.

Be careful about overusing the word "literally", it makes you sound like a millenial who's spent too much time on reddit.
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>家では赤味がかった髪とそばかすのせいで、母が侮蔑を込めて 「にんじん」と名付け、皆にもそう呼ばせています。
Damn.
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>>144579822
Thanks for actually pointing out the mistakes I made, most of them are just mistakes from writing fast and loosely though. I don't know why people have problems with non native English speakers, especially in a Japanese learning thread.
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yfw you discover 2ch's english threads.
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>>144580045
>tfw your Japanese is already better than 99% of the nips English skills
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>>144579764
Am I missing something? Was there any reason to feel like 4 in the morning and 3 at sunset was a better deal? This plot feels way too forced, and what's with the bland self insert protagonist?
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>>144580045
>they actually want to learn a useless language
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>>144580045
>tfw you thought if you learned Japanese you would have hundreds of people to talk to about visual and light novels all the time
>their 2chan is dead as fuck and about 1/10 as fast as our 4chan
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>>144580067
That's because only 1% of nips actually properly focus on learning it, the rest just pick it up from being exposed to the world
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>>144580071
>Was there any reason to feel like 4 in the morning and 3 at sunset was a better deal?
No, that's the whole point.
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>>144580101
>1/10 as fast as our 4chan
Woah, really? Do they just post on textboards instead, or why are their imageboards so slow?
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>>144580045
Do you think that someone from 2ch would be interested in chatting with an American over Skype?

>>144580083
>We actually want to learn a useless language
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>>144580101
All the 2chan action is going on on 虹裏 boards, other boards are dead.
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>>144580124
I picked up both English and Japanese without any serious studying
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>>144580125
No it's not. The point is literally that the monkeys felt like they were being treated better while it was still the same thing. There should be a reason they felt that way, otherwise this whole story wouldn't work. Think something like people buying 2 apples for 5 bucks because they get a third one for free when they normally wouldn't buy 3 apples for 1.50 each.
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>>144580182
かっけー
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>>144580203
My bad I should've said something like 3 apples for 1.66 to make it fit the story.
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ポケモンGO!って

たじりさとしさんがつくったの?
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Okay so I downloaded anki and installed the deck listed on the pastebin. However it's a bit too advanced for me. I was hoping just to learn hiragana which I don't know currently. What would you suggest a good deck for very basic learning?
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>>144580281
read the OP fucking retard
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>>144580170
The first post was about 2ch's English threads, for example:
http://agree.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/lang8/1422255979/
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>>144580254
>>>/vg/ に聞け
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>>144580254
ウィキペディアは「NO」と言って
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>>144580281
Google "hiragana chart" and start memorizing? You don't need any software it's just 50 characters.
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>>144580297
I just did, RETARD. Did I not just reference the fucking pastebin and program talked about in the OP. You fucking dicksucker
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>>144580281
realkana has been replaced with
http://unckel.de/kanateacher/index-en.html
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>>144580298
I'm saying he could talk about visual novels on 2chan /b/, it's pretty active.
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>>144580324
>OP: Read the guide
>Link: START HERE
>Guide: I read up to here, now what do I do to actually learn Japanese?
>List: 1. Lookup a chart of hiragana and katakana (such as these: hiragana / katakana)
Which step stumped you, anon?
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Any video of a native Japanese speaker saying all the hiragana with a clean accent to mimic them?
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>>144580403
Did you try searching on youtube?
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>>144580424
How do I know which videos are good? Is this one good?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zfBMDNkJuI
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>>144580403
Pronunciation is different among natives themselves, what do you mean by "clean accent"? There is no video that says them most accurately because there is no perfect way of saying them. Just take a random one on YouTube.
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>>144580377
Which one is that? I noticed a lot of different boards have /b/ in URL, but the month at the front of the address changes to may, november etc. Not sure how that works.
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>>144580450
Does she have slanted eyes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVQZWikO2Hs
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>>144580456
You wouldn't call a southern accent clean, nor would you call an Australian accent clean. That's what I meant with a clean accent. I don't want to learn Hiragana with shit pronunciation.
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>>144580471
>dec
>現在73人くらいが見てます
>jun
>現在200人くらいが見てます
>may
>現在3740人くらいが見てます

mmh
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>>144580563
Even if you did, you'd learn the correct way of saying it once you start studying listening comprehension anyway. You think studying a slightly wrong way for a few weeks makes you unable to learn Japanese?
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>>144580563
Literally any tutorial you look at will have standard tokyoite pronunciation. What actually matters is pitch accents, which come from actual words, not fucking sounds.
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>>144580611
What kanji are those
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>>144580471
I honestly have no idea why there's 3 of them and what the difference is, I just open catalogs in all 3 of them and look for interesting threads.
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>>144580640
They're 芋踈字
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>>144579130
guess i put mucb less effot now in my posts since there are ppl here who get pissed off bout grammar. its kinda funny that you try hard to sound somewhat eloquently on 4chan
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>>144580625
Actually I do believe so, because I'll just end up with an accent. I would rather build a solid basis first.
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>>144580707
You can always tell people you speak Okinawa- or Hokkaidouben
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The grammar of Japanese is simple, yet understanding a paragraph is often times difficult because of a lack of practice with sentences' omissions that one is expected to derive from context. What do you call this aspect of difficulty? Learning Japanese is generally divided into vocabulary, kanji/kana and grammar, but I feel like the difficulty of understanding context when studying Japanese doesn't fit into any of them.
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>>144580784
>What do you call this aspect of difficulty?
It's not an aspect of difficulty or anything like that, just your lack of experience. Only way to deal with that is to read more.
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>>144580707
>gain an accent from practicing single syllables by talking to yourself
That's not going to happen. Stop worrying about it.
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Any simple books to start with that aren't manga? Manga has become boring to since quite some time.
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>>144580821
キノ旅
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>>144580611
これを消去してよ
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>>144580816
From that view vocabulary isn't difficult either since it's just a lack of memorizing them.

Learning to understand context is a major part of learning Japanese and one a lot of people get stuck on, but calling it "Japanese's difficulty of grasping context" doesn't have a very nice ring to it.

Like, Japanese is a difficult language to learn for foreigners, despite having simple grammar and kanji and vocab being a simple matter of memorization. The reason is what you call a lack of experience, but what exactly is it that you fix by gaining experience? I know I'm getting into autism territory here but there should be a term for it, shouldn't there?
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>>144580896
I think proper term for it is "autism".
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>>144580925
Well sorry for wondering after seeing people call Japanese a hard language despite calling its writing and grammar simple in the same paragraph.
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Thank you guys for the help. Have to go to work now. I'll try to be here tomorrow. Good luck learning.
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>>144581038
失礼ですが、どなたですか
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I have a question about using Anki.
I just got 起きる in core2k and there's a card both for "to get up" and one for "to occur". This is pretty confusing, since they're impossible to tell apart. Currently I just try and answer with both meanings every time 起きる appears, but it's getting pretty annoying.

So how should I deal with it? I'm guessing this probably won't be the last time multiple cards appear with different readings. I've thought of merging them into a single card with both meanings, but I'm unsure if that's a good idea.

What's recommended here? I'm guessing that the deck is structured the way it is for a reason, but right now it's pretty irritating.
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>>144581127
It's one of those things you've just got to dealio with. Merge the cards and delete 1, try to recall both readings every time.
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>>144581127
I would remove one of them and later on learn second meaning from context.
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>>144581127
Core is dumb with things like that so you have to put info from both cards into one.
Or just fucking delete second one, that's what I did.
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>>144581217
>>144581221
>>144581211
>Merge the cards and delete 1, try to recall both readings every time.
Alright, I thought that would be the case.
Plenty of cards already have multiple meanings attached to them, so I was confused as to why this one was different.

I'm guessing learning the secondary meaning from context is the smart way of doing thing.
Thanks anons.
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>>144581342
Just wait till you get to words with different meanings AND readings.
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>>144580138
Meanwhile 2channel has like 20 anime boards

I guess they all just stuck with whatever was popularized first (just like any new English imageboards are dead on arrival even if they are improvements over 4chan because people just don't want to move)
Plus I think futaba was only created as a backup site for 2channel possibly shutting down, so that could also be why it never took off as its own thing.
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>>144581221
>core is dumb with things like that
How'd you handle homonyms in a flashcard system then?

>>144581127
Try to think of the happening nuance of 起きる as a situation awakening or something, that's how it works and that let's you only need to recall a single "meaning."
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Why do "updates" always make things worse and even break the fucking progran
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>>144581392
Futaba is pretty much its own thing, though.
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>>144581127
both of those meanings are so common that you really should be able to produce both

I would hit Hard and pass it anyway if you got one meaning but not the other, but I wouldn't let it get too mature if you consistently struggle to produce the second meaning. You can invent your own system though.

>>144581377
Those kinds of words should be learned out of anki, you could easily fill a page of notes on them and it would be much more time-efficient than making a grotesque memecard with five definitions
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>>144581414
Well, in the end I don't think it's that much of problem. I guess I'm just annoyed that it fucked with my rhythm. It's probably not a big deal after you make the connection in your head.

>>144581377
Well shit.
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>>144580139
Probably not.
Even on their board for learning English they tell native English speakers to go to basically a containment thread where some autists post random snippets of news articles unrelated to anything all day.
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>>144580045
スニミノナ〜
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>>144580315
wikipediaみてないけど

日本での報道のされかたが不細工なくらい不自然だから

なんか嫌だなとおもうよ
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>>144580067
Japs are the worst english speakers in the world
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>>144581527
there are a few resident namefags in the question threads who will go full chimp-mode if you disagree with them

they're probably at the top of their english class in a second-rate high school

I don't really blame them too much since inflated ESL egos are bound to spawn in a nation with compulsory english education, but it's kinda frustrating when they start appealing to the resident peanut gallery instead of responding to your points
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>>144580045
Post yfw 2ch discovers djt
That would be a bad thing, right?
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>>144581930
Why would it be bad?
Isn't the whole point of DJT just to offer intermittent distraction while studying.
It would be good for a laugh.
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>>144581618
よく分からないかもしれないが、日本に人気じゃないということなの?
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>>144581930
Already happened
http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/137818953/
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胼胝
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>>144582353
Not seeing it
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>>144582608
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Nowadays these threads are pointless. Barely anyone asks anything relevant, it's essentially another general with the same few autists posting.
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>>144583115
>nowadays
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Feels good to know I'm better than 99.9% of white people at this language. Feels damn good.
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>>144582069
にほんではそんなに受けないとおもうよ

あの会社との広告契約が打ち切りになったら終わりじゃないかなとおもうよ
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>>144583170
t. N4-kun
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>>144583218
I reached and surpassed N1 level years ago as a matter of fact.
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>>144583115
Aren't like a third of the posts beginner questions, answers to them or in Japanese? Seems fine to me.
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>>144578954
Do genki then n3,n2 and n1 grammar.
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>?望を叶霧する
What's with that 叶霧? Doesn't seem to be a word.
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Guys I downloaded わんことくらそう but when I try and open it it just stays on this black screen forever, it was working yesterday when I installed it but I only played it for like 30 minutes

Anyone know of anything I can try and do to get it to work?
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>>144583650
Have you tried launching as administrator?
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>>144583715
Yeah, tried all the various compatibility stuff in the properties, still looked the same
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>>144583561
>罵ったりと、今までの生活通~
>願望を吐露する彼。

だとおもうよ。まちがってたらごめんね
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>>144583650
Never mind it just magically decided to work after I tried opening it enough times, not sure what I did differently
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>>144583789
is your computers location set to japan, a lot of VNs and other shit refuse to work until it is
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>>144583751
やっぱり妹すごいなぁ〜
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>>144583751
お前マジですげえな
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>>144584005
ロボットみたい
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Just trying to see if I'm getting a grip on the grammar a bit more...

>ふたり合わせてクラスの不良生徒として名指しされることが多かった。

Is it saying
>The two of us together are called delinquents a lot by the rest of the class.
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>>144584688
correct
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>>144584688
>both were often called the class' delinquents
Something minor and maybe it's from context, but it doesn't say they were called delinquents /by/ the class, and it's in past tense
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>>144585210

So something like

>Together, we were called the delinquents of the class.

would be better?
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After dividing my browsing time 50/50 between 4chan and futaba for about a year, it's actually mindblowing how much my reading comprehension improved. No wonder I learned English despite being a lazy piece of shit, the dumbest person on earth would attain mastery at something if he were to do it every waking hour of every day.
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>>144585454
bruh you dropped the 多かった
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>>144585683

Fuck I'm never gonna into Jap.
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>>144585556
I am not actively learning Japanese anymore but I can see much improvement in reading speed and comprehension just by reading 2ch ニュース+ everyday.
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Can someone post a deck their card setup for mining with Rikaisama on Mega or smething ? I tried to do it myself but it looks awful and I can't for the life of me figure out how to add audio.
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>>144586381
You don't need audio.
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>>144586407
I tried, but after finishing Core2k, looking at a whie, small, silent card just feels ... wrong
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>>144585944
Where should I lurk on 2chan?
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>>144586833
here are my settings http://pastebin.com/03ESf9a0
ignore the wonky code, i made some changes to another anons settings and have no clue how css works
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>>144587275
should mention that this doesnt have sound
the last time i tried to add it i broke my mining deck and had to get a back up
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>>144587275
Do you have your reading on the front? Why would you do that?
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>>144587373
>Do you have your reading on the front?
i dont

>Why would you do that?
i dont
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So I wanted to write Bane? In nip and I don't know whether to use the dakuten for the ka at the end.
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>>144587410
Oh, looks like you do in that picture, because of the reading being above that linebreak
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>>144574744
Where? I want my own!
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>>144587373
Putting the reading above the bar and the definition below the bar is better for your visual memory because it separates the facts more strongly.
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>>144587472
oh yeah nah i just prefer the way it looks
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>>144587486
>>144587521
Fair enough, that does make sense
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>>144587423
You mean whether to use か or が? Why would you use が?
か (ka) is used for questions, が (ga) isn't.
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>>144587275
Thanks a lot.

Also, someone knowledgable should add a more detailed guide on how to setup Rikaisama to the Resource list. Figuring that shit out was a fucking pain in the ass
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>>144587605
Ah yes, thanks. Someone misled me the other day, saying you had to use the dakuten.
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Do you guys again cards if you get the reading slightly wrong? For example words with 人 in, where you think it's じん and it turns out to be にん or visa versa

I used to but recently when I get shit like that or rendaku wrong I just hard it, I figured it just doesn't really justify againing it
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>>144587423
>wanting to write "bane?" in japanese
>knowing the term dakuten but not how it works
Am I getting memed?
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>>144587717
Depends, when it happens often enough for me to remember that I didn't know which of the two it was last time either I again it, if it's a one off sorta thing I go with hard and see where that takes me
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>>144587640
There are two great pastebin instructions for setting up a mining deck and an html texthooker floating around somewhere butI think neither are in the guide, it's strange

Although the texthooker guide might be there already, someone asked for it to be added a while a go and I can't be arsed checking whether it's there now
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>>144587722
Don't bully. I am dumb, I know.
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>>144587851
The texthooking guide is on the Resources page. There is also a Rikaisama realtime import pastebin linked from the guide (http://pastebin.com/q2kra4cq).
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>>144587686
Well it depends on the context. If someone asked "Know who I am?" "Xですか" would be used in the answer, meaning "Are you X?", if it's something like "That madman went off the rails" you'd use "Xが?" like in "X did?"
I mean I'm not even sure if you mean Bane like the guy from Batman or the noun or what
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Name ONE kanji
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>>144588186
@
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>>144588186
jackie chan
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>>144588186
To be
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>>144588186
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>>144588186
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>>144588186
見ろ!ローマ字の漢字だ:丅
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>>144588619
下凹亡片
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>>144588619
>ローマ字
ロマン字です
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>あきら「くうっ、届かねえ! いつもの体なら!」

>晶「いや、そっちのが余計届かないだろ」

>俺は誰もが思っただろうツッコミをいれると、結衣とハイタッチ。

What did 晶 (the narrator) mean with 「いや、そっちのが余計届かないだろ」? Context is that Akira couldn't receive a volleyball serve. He's stuck in a girl's body right now and believes that his usual body would've been able to reach it. 結衣 is 晶's teammate.

Something like "Wouldn't you be even less able to reach it then?" I thought I understood ツッコミ jokes, but I'm not feeling it here.
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>>144589070
>ロマン字
ロマ字でしょ
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>>144588980
>>144589070
double 爆笑
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>>144587640
So for audio:
Set rikai to download the audio to your anki collection.media folder
In rikai import settings where you supposed to put bunch of $s and letters instead of just $a field put [sound:{{text:$a}}]
Then in the card template just drop the name of the field on the back
(from memory, you'll probably have to fuck around a bit and read the fucking anki manual)
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>>144589246
ホモ字だと思ってたけど
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>>144588186
れイムムモ尺
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>>144588980
>>144589355
more
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Man, being a Japanese salaryman seems like suffering.
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>>144589242
Yeah. It's pretty standard tsukkomi, Akira said something retarded and 晶 pointed out that it was retarded.
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>>144573137

max payne edition?
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>>144589534
3 weeks is more than what i've taken.
even if you take a vacation what is there to do... anki reps and watch raw anime?
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>>144575682

No, I wouldn't.

I honestly wouldn't.
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>>144589575
>Akira said something retarded and 晶(あきら) pointed out that it was retarded.
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>>144589534
>夏休み
>at work
What is this, school?
Surely Japanese have a right for a proper paid vacation in whatever period they choose, not just in summer.
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>>144589242
The more important context would be that Akira is normally a tiny robot with stubs for arms
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>>144588980
>>144589355
I don't get these.
Can I get a subtle hint?
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>>144583751
すごいな、妹ちゃん、どうやって見つけたの?ウエブサイトだったら教えてくれないかね?
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>>144588186
一つ感じか?
それじゃ怒りだ。
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>>144590607
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>>144589355

>see this
>wonder what the hell "reimumumoshaku" means for 5 minutes before figuring it out
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Fuck, the last 10-20 words always absolutely destroy me.
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>>144588980
lmao
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>>144591669
I still don't get it

What is it?
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>>144580002
Most of them are morons who don't even know how to properly write. That one guy who tried to dissect your writing style doesn't know shit about composition or how real people talk.
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>Haven't looked at my anki stats for 4 days

I think I can do it boys
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>>144589776
Guy that asked here, 晶 isn't あきら if that's what you're saying

>>144590062
Oh I guess that makes sense
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>>144590082
>>144591805
If you can't read these you can not learn English.
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>>144592153
I'm trying to see them as anything other than Japanese but my brain just isn't registering it
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>>144592280
It was hard for me at first too. I think the first one is easier to grasp.
Don't think about it -- just glance at it real quick.
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>>144592402
Not that guy but I got them now
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お前ら何を読んでいるの
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I finally made it to 犬.

Time to begin intermediate hell.
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>>144588186
Mizu

I'm just getting started on Hiragana but I know this one!
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>>144592863
?????
>>144592812
いや、俺はもう読みきったから
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>>144590545
For a native speaker it wouldn't be complicated.
For a learner, you could first find 吐 then look all combinations of 吐+kanji that can also be a -suru verb, with the second kanji looking like the one you're looking for, and of course its meaning making sense in the context of the sentence.

Pic related.

ね、簡単でしょう?
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>>144592812
baldr sky
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>>144592812
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>>144588186
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>>144593485
Posting a screen
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>>144574032
>>144574084
What textbook?
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>>144593383
お前、もとのイメージを見てたじゃないの?
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>>144592812
まほよは凄く良いゲームだと思う
もう3回読んでるけど未だ飽きないぐらいに
続編がないのはとても残念だ
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>>144592812
>眼差

What does that mean?
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if I wanted to say in a game "what's your worst class?" what would I say?
君の最低クラス?
君の最も不味いクラス?
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>>144594720
first for 眼差し
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>>144594724
一番苦手なクラスは何?
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>>144593555
Same here. How long is it taking you? I just got to here after like 4 hours.
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>>144594755
ありがとう
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>>144593870
元のいm
あっ・・・
////
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If I can't remember the kanji for something and so write the word using kana instead, will a Japanese person still understand what I wrote?
Obviously this is for a hypothetical scenario where I have no way to quickly search for the kanji.
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>>144594899
No. Kanji are absolutely necessary in order to communicate in Japanese. That is why learning to speak in kanji is such an important yet difficult skill to acquire for foreigners and natives alike.
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is 最低 offensive or something?
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>>144580101
2chan.net is not 2channel
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>>144594899
Yeah, they won't expect anything more from uneducated gaijin anyway.
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>>144595405
2channel is the Reddit, no? Do they talk about eroge?
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>>144593577
とびら
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>>144595549
2channel is 2channel. It's anonymous and no upvotes, not like reddit at all. It's like 4chan. They talk about everything there.
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>>144590607
>虚しさしか感じないの感じ
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>>144595170
Certainly can be, depending on the context. Just read a lot and you'll figure it out. If you're impatient you could probably check it out on that one tatoeba website or what it was
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>>144595170
You mean like ち〇ぽ? No.
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>>144593383
>>144594883
ありがとうな、俺も漢字を読み間違えた。完全に「叶霧」だと勝手に思い込んじゃった。
すどくしとこうかな。
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>>144595889
まるで「叶」と見たいだからな
すぐに「吐露」覚えられないなら難しいよね
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>>144595889
数独するのちょっと早くね?
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>>144596041
ブーッブーッ
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>>144596041
その画像のぞい子は・・・何か違う気がするけど・・・
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>>144596302
気のせいだろう
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>>144596302
いつも通りじゃね
ほら、ぞいも言っても
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>>144596302
失礼なぁ、普通のめかぽぷ子だぞ、普通
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>>144596041
>not posting the actual djt
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I have trouble understanding sentences, I may be able to understand the single words but I can't make sense of the whole sentence.
I hate reading manga raw for this reason but maybe I should force myself to read more so that I can improve?
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>>144597183
It's always hard at first just keep reading
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>>144597183
Ever tried tae kim?
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>>144597183
>I hate reading manga raw for this reason but maybe I should force myself to read more so that I can improve?
Yes that is the correct way to go about it
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>>144597280
welp fuck me I guess
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>>144597409
That's kind of what it's all about
>I'm bad at X
>Do more X
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>Have over 10k mined words
>Still mine 30+ words a day

WHEN DOES IT ENDD
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>>144597567
>have core 6k and 4.5k mined
>have to read like 4 hours straight to mine 30 words
Is shit I'm reading too easy?
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Beginner here, what's the difference between
っ and つ?
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>>144597567
嘘つけええ!!
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>>144597652
Took me like 3 or so hours to mine those 30+ words so probably not that out of the ordinary
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>>144597838
What's the difference between p and q?
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>>144597838
it's actually an optical illusion: they're both the same
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>>144597838
Japanese children have to use っ because they can't handle the big kana when they're too young, when you turn 14 you're allowed to start using つ but you need to get your licence first
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>>144597838
Japanese draw it small when they are writing fast
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Today I did Anki for 21 minutes and then I read a visual novel for 4 hours and 43 minutes.
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>>144598230
Should've done Anki for 5 hours and 4 minutes
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>>144597981
>>144598021
>>144598057
>>144598181
Thanks guys
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>>144598230
Should've read the visual novel for 4 minutes
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>>144598288
ノープロブレムです
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should I focus on learning more words or should I just read mangas and vns?
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>>144598382

How long have you studied?
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>>144598382
Whynotboth.ms
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>>144598442
I'd say I know about 1000 words maybe?
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>>144598501
It doesn't really matter how many words you know before going into reading something, I mean it does to an extent, but you're going to have to get used to using a dictionary all the time anyway, what matters more is your grasp of grammar
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>>144598791
>what matters more is your grasp of grammar
grammar over everything
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>>144597838
TSUUUUUUUUU
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>>144598932
That's why you brute force grammar in with Anime
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>>144598791
my grammar should be fine, I reed half tae kim's guide and so far I searched on google every "form" I still didn't know.
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>>144586381
If you want audio you can grab the jdic audio, i think its in the cor, put it in your media folder and add [sound:expression - reading.mp3] to the backide or however the syntax is. I wrote a thing to convert the core6k audio filenames to that format as well since its better quality and overwrote the jdic ones. Or you can tell rikaisama to download the audio when you mine the word and add the filename to one of the note fields
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>>144587486
I put the definition at the bottom of the screen
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>>144580694
>3
>not knowing about the other hidden three
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I'm going to watch some anime for listening practice and was thinking of Ghibli movies. Haven't watched any of them so which ones are the best?
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>>144596117
まあね、でも「吐露」はすでに知っていたからちょっとむかつくんだ。
>>144596118
人前で恥をかいた上、数独するという選択肢しか存在しないんだ!
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>>144600216
>Haven't watched any of them
What in the fuck...? I can't even begin to imagine what kind of human you are.

Anyways, Sen to Chihiro and Mononoke Hime.
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>>144600216
They're all pretty boring if you ask me.
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>>144600216
Personally I think Spirited Away is the best. It's an awesome journey into a foreign universe.

I'm jealous that you haven't seen their films before, honestly. Enjoy your journey, every one of their famous flicks is rightfully famous.
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>>144600216
思い出のマーニーと猫の恩返しと思う
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彼にとってここは異国の地のようなもの、

多少の時差ボケは許容するのが文明人というものだろう。
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鳥見信, 人不見之.
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>>144600555

チェックし
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>>144600282
>>144600301
>>144600380
They didn't run them on TV when I still watched TV and despite always hearing about them, never bothered to actually go and download them

Will download all of these, thanks
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>>144600227
ちゅ
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>>144600632

Mom bringing back Spirited Away and Porco Rosso and Howl's Moving Castle and such from Blockbuster and watching them together is why I'm here today. Wonderful films but of course I am biased since they were a big part of my childhood.
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>>144600717
いいお母さん。僕は羨ましいです
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how would you tl this lyric from the classic cowboy bebop ed "the real folk blues" djt?

まだ心の綻びを 癒せぬまま風が吹いてる

this is a low level idiot test dont let me down boys
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>>144601049
"sure is windy today"
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>>144601036

賛成。優しい、話しやすい、いい人です。世界で一番好きな人。
そんな風じゃないよ。アノンの変態
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>>144601286
>そんな風じゃないよ
Is there another meaning for 風 that I don't know... or was that supposed to be 感じじゃない?
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>>144601524

Not かぜ, but ふう.
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>>144601524
yes and no but also dont think too hard about that post its garbo
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>。
I can't bring myself to use it on anonymous bulletin boards for some reason.
Like it looks weird or unnatural or something.
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>>144601596
ありがとう
GoogleTranslate is a turd
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Has anyone here attempted to read this? If so, how did it go? How many years of learning Japanese did it take to read this at a comfortable pace?
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>>144601878
in order: yes, it had a lot of over the top theatrics suitable to stimulate the imaginative imagination of an average 15 year old, 0
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>>144601878
I do, I need to continue reading it, it's been quite a while since I last opened it. All things considered it's not that difficult, but I would not recommend it as a first vn reading experience, unless you've red some novels before.

So far it's alright, though the pacing has been pretty slow until now. Gotta love the BGM

Took two years.
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>>144575987
How does knowing Viet help with learning Nip other than some words being similar? I'd love to be able to leverage my VSL skills somehow.
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>>144601878
It's always Dies Irae
Is Moogy behind this?
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>>144602751
go back to twitter fag and stay there
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>>144578734
you's gay as fuck nigga
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>>144594790
Baldr's an incredibly fun game that's also easy to get through, especially after you get used to the vocabulary. However, given it's overwhelming length (~4.6 mb of text according to tlwiki), it's advisable for people to read it when they can move at a decent pace.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr9FC1o50b8

これは"たとえば"の話だけど。
ある日、翼あるひとびとがグレタガルドの白い空を埋めつくしたんだ。

 天地の半ばに羽根の舞う 雪花のごとく繽紛と
 慈悲なき鏃の降りそそぐ 羽根のまにまに繽紛と
 燃える礫の降りそそぐ  羽根のまにまに繽紛と

 草葺き屋根の里が焼け ポプラ木立の邑が焼け
 世界の底を逃げまどう 無辜なる民の靴の音
 石の街路を駆けぬけて 荒れた畷を駆けぬけて
 世界の底を逃げまどう 馬のひづめの轟きよ

 エルフの森の王国も ドワーフ造りの山の砦も 機械仕掛けのノームの城も
 猖獗極まる侵寇の 波涛の呑まれて隊伍散る
 戦火の汀に立たされた 人の子たちの負け戦
 翼の泊まる空の下 堅牢堅固も過去の栄誉か 終焉迫る城塞都市

 聖なる騎士さえ堂に入り 円蓋の下 神よと祈った
 宮廷道化は楼閣のぼり 蝋の翼で飛ばんと嘯く
 陰に潜んだスラムの王は 武器を鎧って空を睨んだ
 暗き洞棲む妖術使いは 闇を纏って機を待った……

ほら、空ってどこにでも繋がってるよね
どこへ逃げたって、敵はその白い翼でどこまでも追っかけてくるんだ。
だから翼のない彼らは、どこにも繋がってない空を求めていた。
そんな願いが通じて、いま彼らはとてものどかな国でジングルベルを聴いていた―
これは"たとえば"の話だけど。
僕らが君に語るのは、たとえばそんなメルヘン。
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>>144604620
sou desu ka
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>>144604620
Now THIS is writing
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>>144604620
i remember when i read oretuba when i was 16 and my life changed forever
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What sort of method does everyone use when reviewing anki? just look at it and try to get it right, or do people make sure to break the sentence down every time and read it aloud etc?
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>>144605550

I don't read the sentence unless I want context. Even then I usually just look it up on jisho instead. As long as I get the general meaning it's usually okay. I'm not going to sit there and recite "state orally, expound, mention" in my head one after the other. I don't even know what expound means.
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>>144604499
>baldr
>fun
I got bored with how slowly the story progresses and dropped it after a few hours
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The little girl looks like an action anime MC.
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>>144606989

If that scene isn't white trash I don't know what is.
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>>144606989
yeah what a badass pose
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>>144606989
pssh, nothing personnel, mom...
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去年の12月から日本語を勉強している
今日、J-CAT日本語テストをすると決めた
いい感じになったかもしれない
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>>144607540
>Reading: 34
Watch more anime
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>>144607540
That's a pretty shit result, the usual here is 200 in half a year. And the same 200 again a year later because intermediate hell
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>>144607635
I skipped the last three or four questions in the Reading section because I was too bored already
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>>144607662
"intermediate" lmao
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>>144607662
Forgot to mention that I reset my Core deck two months ago so I could start writing everything out on paper in order to memorize them more easily.
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>>144607888

Oh you poor soul.
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>>144607662
Oh shit we're racing now? I hope I don't lose!
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>>144607540
What score do you get at average if you answer every question at random
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I want imouto to take jcat.
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>>144608216
Don't know, senpai
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>>144608376
Would be interesting to know.

Judging by the results that get posted here I'd guess it's around 200
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>learned enough japanese ten years ago to leisurely read basic porn and doujin rpg maker games
>stopped because i kinda lost interest on the porn/games and i wasn't really doing anything else with it
>now feel like starting again
>can't shake the feeling that i'd be a pro had i kept at it these ten years

at least I get a headstart on the basics and lots of kanji I still remember, but damn this feels awful.
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>>144608554
>can't shake the feeling that i'd be a pro had i kept at it these ten years
You would have, but don't worry about it
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>鬼
>妖怪
>translate these as "demon"

That's like calling Hades "Satan" or saying that valkyries are angels.

This shit needs to stop.
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>>144610322
IMO it all comes down to context. Regardless of language, folklore is a bitch so it can't really be helped.

If it's just a throwaway reference that there are otherworldly beings, fine, nothing to get autismo about. Any deeper deserves oni/youkai with a TL note.

What did you read in particular that ticked you off?
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>>144610322
>translating いただきます as thanks for the meal
>translating 竜 as dragon
>translating いってらっしゃい as take care
>translating ありがとう as thank you
>translating 猫 as cat
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>tfw like 75% done with daily use kanji.
>at the rate I'm going should finish at around first of September
>fucking don't want to do this shit anymore, and like haven't for a few weeks

God damn fucking kill me. I just want to take a break, but Anki would assrape me for it. I feel like this is what Saitama would have felt like with not having taken a single day off since starting his training.

I think after hitting that last daily use kanji I'll stop with the new cards and just do reviews for a while until it gets to a state where it's more manageable and no longer takes like an hour and a half every fucking day just for reps.

Anons, how do I get through this last month? My willpower is waning. I don't want to bitch out now, but I also don't want to put in all the time it takes.
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>>144611264
>いただきます: rub a dub thanks for the grub!
>竜: Shenlong
>いってらっしゃい: I'll be back for dinner.
>ありがとう: I-it's not like I wanted you to do that for me.
>猫: Felyne.
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/DJT/,
Will I ever learn onomatopoeias? Is it possible?
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>>144611535
>>猫: Felyne.
>not submissive partner of a homosexual relationship
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Best way for a wagecuck like me to learn nipponese?
Anki demands more time than I really want to give.

I've been reading genki on my phone, picked up namasensei and I've been messing around with some kanji apps, I've been making some very slow progress, but im in no hurry so..

Is going mobile anki viable?
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>>144600289
>このニガ
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>>144611441
>takes an hour and a half
I never understood this.

When I was running through core 2k, I had around 40+10 new kanji a day. It took around half an hour to finish them and then it was back to Tae Kim.

W...was I doing it wrong?
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>>144600632
Fuck I wish I could watch all the ghibli films for the first time again

Lucky bitch
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>>144611745
Watch anime at work
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Are any of you friends here actually somewhat fluent in the language? If so, were you self taught and how long did it take you? I wanna learn Japanese, and I'm gonna start likely later on this year, just wanna get some information from real people as opposed to shills who want to sell their book.
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>>144611849
>tfw only 30 gigs of free space left
I'll have to watch these as they finish downloading

The 18gb ones have like 5 audio tracks in them
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>>144611794
Write every Kanji more than once and write at minimum one word that it's used in (unless it's one of those fucking stupid ones that have virtually zero use). Search in Jisho to get extra words when not enough are listed or when something isn't understood.

That's how I do it, and it ends up taking that long. I usually have around 165 reviews and 25 new cards a day.

Vocabulary though takes like 15 minutes max.
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>>144612038
Good job not reading the OP
>I wanna learn Japanese, and I'm gonna start likely later on this year
Sure you will
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>>144612038
Nobody here knows Japanese
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>>144611794
Anyone taking more than like 30 minutes to do anki reps is either doing it wrong or is trying to teach themselves to write by hand.

You're fine anon.
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>>144612038
i learned by watching anime vhs tapes in the 90s stuff like ranma and now stuff like muramasa is quite frankly like reading a childrens book
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>>144612038
>start
>later
And that's how you know you'll never get it done.

Tae Kim's guide is online for free. If anything, you'll want to throw money at him once you're done with it.

If you have any questions, just ask here and filter off the banter.

Read the guide.
Do your reps.
Love the imouto.
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>>144612038
You should already start learning the Kanji. Heres a good chart
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>>144612294
Wait... what? Do people usually not do writing practice here?
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>>144612314
love my dick retard

>>144612353
my fave kanji is 배
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>>144612353
>Recommending he learn class 5 kanjis

Woah slow the fuck down bro he hasn't even gotten through katakana yet
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>>144612457
Lots of people consider it not worth their time. While writing can help improve retention, it also greatly increases time spent learning and for lots of learners being able to write by hand is not a priority (or something they are not interested in at all).
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>>144612457
You don't need to know how to write Kanjis if you are only reading porn novels.
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>>144612546
he wants to learn japanese not retard diaper head fag writing can you not post misinformation in this thread its supposed to be for serious japanese learning
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>>144612353
How did the koreans manage to make such a disgusting looking writing system?
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>>144612621
hanguls are cute like kana and majestic like kanji its literally the best of both words you are a retard and will never learn japanese gg no re
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>>144612610
>this thread its supposed to be for serious japanese learning
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>>144612621
What they lack in attractiveness they make up for in usability

I agree it looks like shit though
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>>144612621
How did your mum manage to make such a disgusting looking child?
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>>144612701

He does got a point
If not here, then where?
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>>144612570
How many review cycles does it usually take people to remember Kanji without writing them? It takes me like one review (without including when the card is first introduced), maybe two if it's a troublesome one.
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>>144612668
They look like someone put diarrhea in a centrifuge and then just made characters out of the patterns they saw in the resulting splatters.

>>144612717
I didn't mean to imply they aren't functional. They're just so fucking ugly.

>>144612729
Bad genetics.
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>>144612621
While it looks like shit, you only need to learn 25 symbols to read and write

Except when they mix in kanji
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>>144612805
much like your posting
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>>144612877
Thanks anon!
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>>144612760
How many reviews do you do a day? For how long? And how many new words?
When I practiced writing (was a around 400 Kanji) I could remember them pretty decent but it took like forever so I didnt do many new cards. Now I'm at 2000 Kanji and dont write them at all. Its much faster which allows one to add more words and do more cards a day IMO
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I'm in my 1200 card of my core2k and just last week started using my kanjidamage as a kanji reference/help. I had my doubts because people tend to warn you about it, but honestly, their keywords, examples and hints are superb and is slowly gaining terrain as my main reference page.
I often hear people say that is inaccurate or plain wrong, but i'm yet to find a single error ( compared to the tradional dictionaries )
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>>144612760
1-3 for most. The problem is that even if it takes you several more reviews to actually have the kanji stick, you're still spending less time on the reviews because writing slows you down so much.

I'm not telling you to not write, it is a helpful tool and if writing is something you find important you might as well learn it. It's just not something everyone cares about, and I'd much rather spend my limited time on actual reading or other exposure to the language than increasing my anki time 3 fold.
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>>144573293
明日?
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>>144612936
420 reviews in approx 69 minutes daily i dont have another number for new words sorry
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http://forum.koohii.com/thread-13930.html

Kek
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>>144612936
25 new cards a day and it takes around an hour and a half.
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>>144613040
>their keywords, examples and hints are superb
If you don't count all the times they're blatantly fucking wrong. Relearning correct information was trivial once I started spotting the bullshit, but that still made me question if it was worth doing the whole thing at all.
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>>144613195
Also should mention that it's one review a day with like all 160+whatever cards it happens to be for that day.
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今夜シコシコしたいつもりでだがまだ作品を選んでない。
新しいえっちアニメがあるけど制作者が好きじゃない(QueenBee)だから別の何かが見たい。
原作は凄くいいんだってさ…
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>>144607540
That's a pretty shit score. You probably fell into the wanikani or genki meme trap.
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>>144612760
Usually seeing once if it doesn't look similar to some other kanji.
Shit I fail constantly are ambiguous words using kanji I already know or kanji with gorillion kun readings, finding a new kanji that just means its own single thing is a godsend nowadays.
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>>144612546
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>>144613283
>シコシコ
>springy
Texture?
>al dante
Is this going to be about cooking?
>masturbation
>fap fap

Every fucking time.
I keep forgetting.
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