Japanese bloggers explain appeal of shitty reincarnation/transportation

If only the Japanese stopped paying money for the shit they are tired of

>>142163841
Casuals will spend their money on whatever trash they like.

too bad it's still shit though

I thought the problem was that they all devolved into haremshit

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>>142163663
I never really minded the genre as a whole, only that it's fucking everywhere and most iterations don't put a lot of effort into it. There are some gems in that genre though, and this explanation is actually pretty solid. I understand the desire for something more grounded after the "JUST WORK HARD LOL" shonen boom of a decade ago.

>>142163953
No wonder Naruto turned out to be Ninja Jesus. People hate hard work.

>>142163997
>People hate hard work.
Who doesn't?
As some old duck with a huge money bin once allegedly said, you ought to work smarter, not harder.

>>142164197
I don't have a problem with hard work.
Actually i like hard work.
The problem is just that working hard gets you nowhere.

Picaresque Stories existed since the 15th century, and they were much more nuanced than simple "I'm level 100 you can't do shit."

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Transportation to a fantasy world stories is not a Japanese-exclusive phenomenon.

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>>142163953
Except it's a shitty excuse

Just as it's hard to work your way to the top, it's hard to cheat your way to the top too

The heroes of these "trapped in another world" stories rarely if ever think of a clever plan to win, they usually just are born with a hax skill that gives them power.

Like, OP's picture, "Shield Hero" - the protag of that story is so powerful because he's the only one who read the instruction manual.

No, really.

I'm all for cheating, but it should be good logical cheating. Douglas Adams says no one works harder than someone trying to avoid work.

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>>142164365
Nor new.

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>>142163663
I'm just starting to get into the genre but I actually enjoy it to some extent. Back when I was new to anime I watched high school settings because I longed for a reality where school was a haven filled with interesting people and had a joyous group of friends.

Now that I'm a working adult, I long for a reality where I can do shit on my own terms, and winning or losing are a direct result of my actions with the option to fail still being present. That's what this shit provides for me. In Konosuba the mc eats shit for a good portion of the story despite his efforts, but he wins due to his drive. The series never takes losing out of the equation and it's better for it.
Also hail Aqua.

>>142164433
Alice isn't as good a fit as Narnia since she doesn't become a hero, she just stumbles around a bunch of absurdities before going home.

>>142164247
>The problem is just that working hard gets you nowhere.
You see this problem a lot in America too. Americans are probably the biggest believers in the "Hard work = Success" ideology, and it's becoming increasingly evident to every one that is not the case. I actually think this is part of the reason the Trump is so popular currently, tons of Americans are working hard and doing things the way they're suppose to, but not getting the end results they want, which is creating resentment in the system.

In short: Make efforts, Get talents.

>>142163663
Too real for me.

>>142164365
That came out over a decade ago?

>>142164498
Which is weird, since Trump openly admits that he himself is no more skilled or hard working, he just was born into a rich family to begin with.

>>142164577
People, as usual, just want to get tricked into something they don't really believe.

Like religion.

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>>142163663
>people like vidya
>grow up to be adults
>write books about what they like
>it's popular since readers are the same base
>also waifus
>more people do it since it's easy cash as long as the waifu is nice and story holds up

wooow

alternative explanation
>feel so shitty you empathise with "die and wake up in a better world"

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>>142164197
Reading Taekwondo manwha:
Protag trains really really really hard to get to entry level super human
Protag then stops progressing and needs to train more effective/smarter/work on his flaws in order to go towards a superior superhuman

80s manga and some seinen is about some dude who is very strong, and need to fight others on his level.
Shounen has generally been about somebody who is entry level, in a sea of beginners, who progresses ahead of everyone.
Japan don't like hard work or smart work now. Shame. Its cool

>>142164635
People want to live in a fantasy. Too bad this is reality.

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>>142164424
This, in reality cheating itself require a different kind of hardwork that happen behind the scene and most people never see that, not to mention the severe punishment when the act of cheating backfire on yourself.

>>142164498
>>142164247
Agreed. You have to have some sort of wit if you want to make any significant progress. That's with anything.

It's like grinding in a jrpg but without any sort of aim in mind.

>>142164644
>now
Fuck are you talking about? Stop making broad ass generalizations faggot.

>>142164577
>>142164635
>>142164668
Ugh, gag me. I can feel the smug leaking through my screen.

>>142164751
You aren't living your life correctly, anon. Fix it.

>>142164424
>Just as it's hard to work your way to the top, it's hard to cheat your way to the top too
I think the (pessimistic) idea behind it isn't per se about hard work (though not that people who cheat the system don't work hard), but that it's a lot about such things as inherrent talent, who you know, where you studied etc. This is why the losers come out ahead in "trapped in MMORPG" anime: they've played those games their entire lives. When they start out at level 1, just like everyone else, they already have an "unfair" advantage. I know it's not a popular show 'round these here parts, but the Kirito had such an advantage in SAO because he was a beta tester. Momonga had an advantage in Overlord because by the time the world started "living", he had already spent years grinding his character to perfection.

It's a way to at the same time have the protagonist be an identifiable loser AND give him an unfair advantage. If your example of Shield Hero is true, then that's just a retarded story though. Unless it's a comedy show.

>>142164365
The difference is that these stories in the West are more for exploring fantastic new worlds and perhaps grow wiser from the experience and stuff. And they're really rarely about being reincarnated with ultrasuperhaXXorpowers that makes everything easier for the protagonist.

But now that I think about it, John Carter of Mars might fit that model more. You have an old confederate dude being transported to Mars, where it turns out that he is superstrong because of Earth's higher gravity, he gets to become pal with funky four-armed big green martians, fucks the hottest red martian princess around who will stay really really hot for several hundreds of years, everyone is practically nekkid and well-endowed, and all his opponents are kinda dumb or hindered by silly traditions that greatly limit their effective battle strength despite having powerful guns and laser cannons and flying airships.

>>142164424
This.

I don't like these novels not because the hero doesn't "work hard", but because the hero doesn't "work smart" either.

It's pure wish fulfillment. It's not an indictment of society. Discontent can explain the demand for these LNs, but don't go and say they're making any meaningful statements

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>>142164820
I mean, sure. Inherent talent is a thing. It's not the only thing. And even in something you're talented in, you still need to work.

>all the Japanese webnovels are about being reincarnated into another world where your skills let you cheat to win, and this means Japanese society sucks and you can only get ahead by cheating

So what does it say about the Chinese that all the Chinese webnovels are xianxia shit about energy cultivation in caves with magic pills for decades to train themselves into immortality by sitting crosslegged and doing nothing, where all disagreements are solved with a fight to the death which is really easy to get into because everyone is an asshole to each other?

>>142164820
People who don't want to work hard make excuses like talent and other bullshit. It's all bullshit. You have to work if you want to make it. It's hard and everyone who made has done it. But those people want to be praised for doing nothing. They want to stay in their comfort zone. They are stupid people and they are helpless.

>>142163663
That hit me right in the feel sack.

Imagine you are an aspiring author. Slaving away to make that book and hope it will make you great. Meanwhile some 15 year old shit plays videogames and makes millions. Spends it like a nigger with a 50 dollar bill at a KFC place, while try to make ends meet.

It makes me envious.

>>142164901
You're free to think that way, but that's probably why you can't appreciate the genre. It presupposes a certain kind of helplessness, it presupposes factors of great impact you cannot control, both internal (talent/genetics) and external (connections and opportunities).

>>142164905
That's actually a thing? It sounds fun to read.

>>142164424
I like Jonathan and Joseph because they both represent both sides of the spectrum. One's a freight train of a man that worked to study hamon, and the others a cheater that uses his resources and abilities to get by.

>>142164905
>all
Fucking check your numbers faggot.

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>Complain about garbage
>Buy and support the garbage

Cheating your way to the top isn't hard, just gotta be willing to get dicked down by a few superiors in your field.

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>>142164972
I spent three years writing a thousand plus page manuscript that two people read.

Feels bad man. But supply and demand is a bitch

>>142164972
>Meanwhile some 15 year old shit plays videogames and makes millions.
Streamers piss me off so much.

>>142164940
Hard work = Talent
People are lazy fucks
It takes grit and wisdom to go beyond what you think is possible

>>142163997
I thought because the author didn't know how to write him interesting anymore.

>>142164424
You would know that's not true in Shield Hero as every other hero reads it later.

>>142164976
>That's actually a thing? It sounds fun to read.
It really isn't when that's all there is to it

>>142164492
What about Peter Pan?

>>142165041
Hard work is boring. Magic bullshit isn't. Sure, it kind of takes away the whole underdog aspect, but on the other hand, it makes money and gets readers.

>>142165013
Maybe it just sucks. You ever think that?

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Being a woman is the real easy mode.

I think Kirito, Kazuma, and Subaru are making efforts "manly"
才能と努力が必要ってこと

>>142164424
God damn, good post.

>>142165022

>tfw i play video games but have a shit connection so i can never be a famous and rich streamer/youtuber

streamers piss me off too, more for the fact that they have a better internet set up but play on prebuilt overpriced potatoes-to-be-in-a-few-months and only a few are actually competent at what they do instead of hype train-ing for the littlest shit that happens in game.

>>142164424
>no specific examples
Just speaking out of your ass huh?

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>>142164976
I can't appreciate the genre because it's just not true.

Well - more accurately - it's only half true.

Everyone is born with strengths and weaknesses, and some tend to get the short end of the stick more than others. But there's a niche for everyone - it's just a matter if they're smart enough to find it.

In any case, even if there is no free will, and your life is set in stone from birth - creating a story that simply "flips the script" is both boring and juvenile.

You mentioned Kirito, right?

Him being better at Dungeons because of being a beta tester I get.

Him getting a super unique skill in an MMO of all things? That's where the blatant wish fulfillment comes in and ruins the story

>>142164492
Kind of like Kino but without the going home bit.

>>142164454
Is that you, John Wayne? Is this me?

>>142165033
You shouldn't forget about luck either. There's definitely something to be said about being in the right place at the right time.

>>142165022
You could do it if you put the effort in. I'm not saying you should, but feel good just knowing that.

>>142164905
It means Chinese people are wanna-be druggies and miss their Opium and other illegal drugs considering the fucking magic steroids and pills their protagonists consume.

>>142165137
Holy shit. You make me laugh, you fucking loser. They worked hard for that shit.

>Wanting to be successful.
That sounds like such a drag.

>>142163663

I hate to cite onii sama of all things, but this theory, while convenient, is painfully wrong. People who don't succeed have always been jealous of those who do. If someone thinks they have worked hard, they cannot acknowledge that they have done any wrong. If you do everything right, people will think you're just gifted or some shit. So rather than an escape from a bleak reality, I think these types of settings are nothing more than power wanking, which is exactly what most people here know. There's nothing wrong with that, but don't pass it off as some diagnosis of a society we don't live in.

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>>142165112
Nah, it was good. I just need to make something that'll sell next time.

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I really like the genre. Maybe it's because I'm miserable in reality and would love to be an adventurer or hero in a fantasy world. I'd find love, success, and glory. Instead I get to shitpost on 4chan for over a decade.

>>142164972
White people on youtube are the only people that make video game streamers famous.

There aren't any famous video game streamers in Japan that make as much money as PewdiePie

>>142165200
Hah, fucking luck fags. Just get out.

>>142165242
They fucking don't. Maybe the ones that aren't super popular,but pewdipie tier streamers are just fucking lucky.

>>142164828

>the Men from Jupiter were the Shitpudding half of John Carter where, after he's become King of Mars and shit, suddenly some new EVEN STRONGER enemies show up

FUCKING JUPITER
>and then Carter Napier shows up on a spaceship full of hot amazon bitches who live in the secret gardens of Venus

ITT:Bitch niggas hating on people doing things and being successful

>>142165286
>>142165308
>comparing to outlier Pewdiepie

>>142165286
Closest thing they have is Arino and Yukuris, but those don't count.

>>142165242

worked hard?

>"can i get a hype train in chat bois?"

>"lets fucking go bois!"

>"hit that subscribe button i'll suck your dick for 2 seconds when i shout out to you in stream!"

>"waah i'll scream like a bitch for views!"

what other "hard-working streamer" trope have i missed?

>>142165262
What are you talking about?

>>142165286
Of course not. PewDiePie became famous because YouTube was showing his videos to three-five different countries. Streamers in Japan would only show up on Japanese YouTube and even then the language is too hard to promote across countries.

>>142165327
This, fucking disgusting. You can only help yourself.

Japan's real issue is that they will not let go of tradition and move forward like the rest of the world. The consequences for that will be huge.

>>142165343
Gamergurrls with their tits taking up half the screen and men pretending to be women with voice changers.

>>142165022
People with thousands of viewers honestly aren't enviable. Chat interaction is a fucking joke, you're super delayed because everyone has to use Twitch to make any money, and to maintain that kind of popularity means you have to be vaguely entertaining for 5+ hours a day, most days a week.

It's a more gruelling job than most radio presenters or actors have, you don't even get a script.

I get that people see streamers as some guy "just" playing games, but it's a job I'd never want. E-sports is even worse, I can't imagine the kind of autism required to play the same game, day in, day out, in the name of practice.

>>142165392
Tell that to literally every fucking country, anon.

>>142165343
You seem triggered. Think about what really makes them successful. It might be what you're missing.

>>142165398

that's it i've found the perfect scheme:

>zoom in on a loop of gamergirl tits as they jiggle from time to time

>modify voice with screaming bee

>have tits take up the entire screen, put the game footage where the webcam would be

I've just done it guys, instant millionaire.

>>142165033
Where is luck? Where is your name? Where is your daddies network? Where is numerous other factors?

You could be born as a nigger in Biafra. If you are lucky, you reach adulthood.

Hard work does not equal success, smart work does not equal success. It is you who were at the right place at the right time.

Success is luck.

>>142165490
>people who barely watch twitch
What streamer has made it by doing that?

>>142165112
But it was hard work. Doesnt hard work bring success?

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>>142165022
Are you mad that a 15 year old was able to capitalise on a market way before you thought about it?

Maybe if you were smart you could have been in on time too.

>>142165526
So you're just going to sit around for "luck" to happen?

>>142164905
It says that chinese people are self centered assholes who built a culture of condescension and service based around social hierarchy,being miserable and spending your whole life in stoic hard work to raise your status, just so you can now be the condescending self serving asshole enforcing said cultural standards.

I still hope that one day within the next decade, I win the grand lottery in my country and get lots of cash for just putting the right numbers.

>>142164498
people are not doing what they are supposed to, people are fucking retarded at managing their finances and making smart financial decisions, so they don't get into an excessive amount of debt. Then they have the audacity to complain about not having enough money for things when they just bought a brand new Titan and had it lifted.

>>142165483
I heard sociopathy helps success.

>>142164424
This is why original ending > time to shit on my ungrateful reader's heads ending will always be superior.

>>142165560
No. It's a thing to help you succeed. There are no guarantees in life, faggot. Everyone lied to you. You may also have to work smart, all that matters is as long as you are good at what you do and are an egotistic faggot, you'll make it.

>>142163663
>That manga
>Seemed decent for the first few chapters until the daughterfu gets aged up so the MC can lust after her in peace
>Similiar thing happens to a bird later on
Dropped it and never looked back.

>>142165609
This is why education is important.

>>142165041
Writing interesting characters requires hard work.

>>142165242
Fuck off. These shits don't work hard at all. It is not like they cultivated their body to achieve something great like in sports.

Mom and dad buy them their rigs. They plug a game. Scream in the microphone for 30min and upload that shit.

I don't know if I hate streamers more or the fanbase watching it. Only things I wished that were genocided more today are vloggers.

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>>142163663
Interesting theory, though it may just be reading too much into the appeal of a magical world with a fresh start, and authors jumping on a trend.

I was reminded that in SAO, part of the world's appeal was the simplified mechanics making "work hard and you'll succeed" truer than life.

>In this world, a single blade can take you anywhere you want to go. And even though it's a virtual world, I feel more alive in here than I ever did in the real one.

>>142165703
If you truly believe that's all it takes, why do you consider yourself a failure?

>>142165326
I wish there was an anime of that.

I'm flipping these burgers super hard,but i'm still a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. What went wrong?

Japan: the land of interesting concepts and horrible execution.

>>142165577
You can work all your life, being smart and what not, but never make the big bucks like others without luck.

Now you can have a good life, while working hard and being financially smart, however the big success like the millionaires etc. is no guarantee.

And yes, there are people who have put in minimal effort and became loaded.

Success is having connections.

>>142165591
some faggot around here will say that it was hard work that brought you success, and will then continue to shit on anyone that says otherwise.

Someone needs to make Japan great again.

>>142165656
They really, REALLY should have a mandatory finances, tax, general living type of class in all public schools.

>>142164905
That kind of stuff just has a long history in Chinese fantasy.

>>142165926
Do you really think kids would take it seriously though?

>>142165889
This.

Fuck it. All my jobs I got was through people I knew. All the jobs I applied for never got me hired. Nepotism HO!!!

>>142165889
I would say the combination of hard work and luck. Connections would probably fall under both.

>>142165889
Explain why.

Yeah Hard Work doesn't necessarily lead to success

But in a Casino, the guy who crunches numbers is gonna do better than the guy who puts it all on 39 because it's his favorite number

>>142165984
Maybe you're just not an attractive person? All but one of my jobs was due to nepotism. The rest were all applied for.

>>142163663
That's an interesting conjecture but I think it's too self absorbed in escapism from the cruelty of reality, that can account for any type of series not just reincarnation/transporation.

I think the appeal is that readers like the idea of being moved to a different world away from the people they know, being OP compared to everyone else and having said world be filled with people mostly willing to suck MCs dick.

>>142166048
The people who make it through connections have a huge bias about it.

>>142165703
Spoiled white kids obsessing over other spoiled white kids is basically the idea

Hard work is bullshit. You can spend your whole life working hard and get fucked anyway. I've met homeless old people who either spent their savings or never actually managed to save up enough and became unable to work. They spent their whole lives working their balls off living the middle class dream, got old, and now they live on the fucking street sleeping in cardboard boxes next to trash. Talk about depressing. Just enjoy yourself while you can, and if you become homeless, at least you had a good run and didn't waste your time working your balls off.

We're at the point where humans are being completely devalued thanks to automation. There needs to be a complete revolution of the social system and economic system or it's all going to come crashing down like a house of cards once unemployment reaches the point where people aren't earning (and thus, spending) enough to keep the economy running. We already have a level of technology where the majority of humanity shouldn't NEED to work if they don't want to. Clearly there are still jobs that humans need to do, but we're fast approaching the point where those jobs aren't going to be enough to keep the economy rolling. We can't just stop and say OK, we'll just need to cut back on robots and have humans do the mindless labor again. That's completely counter to what Capitalism demands of businesses.

Reincarnation stories are just a symptom of the problem. They're all written by people who want to try and break out of being a NEET by becoming an author. They write stories about the only dream they have: escpaing this shitty world and starting over in a new one. Oh and I'm American btw. We're not all morons, the American Dream is dead, we're still busy beating the corpse.

>>142166009
Only falls back if you have capital at the start to make up for it
Connections give you a guaranteed start, not relying on hard work nor luck

>>142166048
Narcissistic attentionwhores tend to have it easy getting a job.

Japan will be a better place, when all the old salarymen die off, and the new generation takes over!!!

>>142164820
He's exaggerating with Shield Hero, the manual doesn't say jack shit and the manual actually says different things to the different heroes because it's based upon belief and the hero's own experiences. The system is far more complicated than he's making it out to be.

Shield Hero gets a lot of flak, and you can say a lot of it is deserved, but the world building part is fleshed out relatively well compared to most LN. There's foreshadowing all over the place about how the mechanics work and it's not like the heroes were all great people to begin with.

In fact, the MC only manages to come out ahead because he was the most naive and suffered hard. It was more luck based than anything else, because in the gaiden where another hero goes back in time he doesn't suffer the same fate and as a consequence he doesn't gain the strength of mind as before.

Shieldhero is actually one of the few stories where the MC was just as fucked as his rivals from anything but a luck stand point. It was just chance.

>>142166105
Haha, what? If they worked hard, they should have had some kind of safety net. They shouldn't be homeless people on the street.

>>142166124
I would never call myself narcissistic, but...

>>142166105
If you live in a decent country this would never happen. A decent country takes care of people in need,especially the elderly.

>>142164562
narnia's books are fucking old m8

>>142166105
You're retarded

The best guarantee that you will be rich and
successful is to be born into a rich and
successful family.

For every winner with a good idea and a dream
there are a hundred losers with a good idea
and a dream who failed.

To succeed you need skill and luck. Luck is
more important than skill.

>>142166182
Typical american. A homeless old person? Get fucked! You probably didn't pull your bootstraps hard enough.

>>142164820
>the Kirito had such an advantage in SAO because he was a beta tester.
Being "the fastest man in SAO" and consequently being granted dual wield attribute had nothing to do with beta testing knowledge, he's just fast for no reason.

>>142166048
I know I am not attractive. I am short, chubby and have a baby face. I am not masculine or feminine. I have a strong southern accent, and when my face is on neutral it has the face of someone who knows war is starting tomorrow.

At first glance people discard me, while my current employer is super happy with me, because my uncle vouched for me to give me a chance. Same goes with my group of friends.

>>142166286
>fast for no reason
>what is being a gamer
>what is important for a gamer
>what is speed

>>142164424
Would Death Note be considered to you to be a good example of cheating? Light has a "hax" power to be able to magically kill anyone leaving no evidence behind just by knowing his name and face, but the author contrives to make things difficult for him so he has to constantly improvise ways to not get caught.

>>142163663
You know I remember reading a thread on /jp/ some time ago about the issues of unemployment in Japan. I think you guys can dig through the archive to find it but I kept getting the feeling in some of the portions of it that there were people in Japan that were working hard, but they were doing the same shit over and over again and they expected something positive to come of it every try, and it never happened.

Not doing much today, guess I'll poke through it again if I can find it

>>142166072
>I think the appeal is that readers like the idea of being moved to a different world away from the people they know, being OP compared to everyone else and having said world be filled with people mostly willing to suck MCs dick.
That's basically exactly what he described, though. He just framed it more positively.

>>142166251
That doesn't make sense considering most of the homeless are actually mentally ill so they probably couldn't work all that hard. If the person is working as hard as the other poster said, they would have something to show for it.

>>142166296
I didn't really mean attractive in just the physical sense. I was thinking more like your resume sucks or your attitude at interviews. Don't take it as an attack on your physical appearance.

>>142166182
That's the fucking deception. Just because you "worked hard" doesn't guarantee you anything. Old people who spend their savings to bail out their children from debts and weren't supported in return, old people who were tricked out of their money, old people who had all their money tied in their house and lost it due to some tax shenanigans and some douchebag swooped in bought it for practically nothing, old people who were barely able to make ends meet because the city they lived in had retarded costs of living, etc.

The US is a shithole, we just hide behind a veneer of superiority. Go drive through Boston or New York City and actually take a look around you instead of the usual carefree tunnel vision. You'll see what I am talking about. There's homeless shelters and places where they can go and get food, but that's still not the kind of life anyone should have to live, and when they're over capacity, they actually tell people to leave because there aren't enough beds. What the fuck is that even? Let them sleep on the fucking floor in the warm building.

>>142166356
I'm pretty sure there have been a million threads on /jp/ about unemployment in Japan, considering it's a Japanese culture board full of NEETs.

I just see it as the latest popular trend, not really anything deeper than that. Yeah disaffected people are going to latch onto it but that's true of basically all escapist fiction. That's what escapism is for. Just wish the normalfags would shut the fuck up and let others enjoy their escapist fantasies in peace. What does it hurt to let other people be happy?

>>142165979
not him but they probably wouldn't. However, doing it for years might allow it to stick a little in their heads so they'll hesitate before making pants-on-head retarded financial decisions.

I think that perfectly describes why I hate this trend so much even though I like a lot of other really shallow power fantasies like Hokuto no Ken. I don't hate escapism, but this little subgenre is so deeply cynical that it's exhausting. I'm even a loser NEET so I can see how it would appeal, but damn.

>>142163663
>the manga Ressentiment as a literary-style work

Manga is the first new style of literature in centuries.
The normalfags are so scared of manga being accepted as literature that their doing everything they can to keep it down.

>>142165979
If the standard for including a class in public school was whether most students would take it seriously, education wouldn't be mandatory in the first place.

>>142166529
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but I'd just like to say that ressentiment is terrible and that normalfags piling onto that sort of thing as "literature" (who gives a shit, honestly?) would just make the manga community even more insufferable.

>>142166012
Because you don't have them and you are a pathetic loser. So, logically, that means that the difference between pathetic /a/ poster and success is connections. Also physical attractiveness and social graces, both things we both know you will never have.

>>142166395
No, I know you meant my appearance. Its ok, no need to protect my feelings.

As I have heard many times before from recruiters, my resume is impressive. All the work history is because I got help. The education, skills, languages is what I worked for myself. During interviews I am energetic and attentive.

On another note, I asked some girls from my group to be honest with me. I am KV.
So they told me that I was pleasant to be around. Very nice and admirable, even good looking to some but for some reason I give off a weird vibe, making people initially very stand off-ish/on edge when they meet me. One jokingly said it was because of the pheromones i give off. I called her an idiot because of that.

>>142166412
>Old people who spend their savings to bail out their children from debts and weren't supported in return
A hard worker obviously didn't work hard enough to teach their children to not fall into debt. I'm pretty sure my Dad didn't clean out my Grandfather to fix his debt. He had to work to get rid of it.

>old people who were tricked out of their money
Okay? So that's mean they worked hard and had something, but lost it due to something unrelated/possibly illegal.

>old people who had all their money tied in their house and lost it due to some tax shenanigans
Are you talking about people not paying their taxes and then suddenly get rammed by the IRS because they liked living their lifestyle without thinking about their future?

>old people who were barely able to make ends meet because the city they lived in had retarded costs of living
Eventually you have to move if you can't make ends meet. You have to downsize as you get older. It's a fact of life. If you want to go broke trying to support your old lifestyle then you've got a problem.

>Go drive through Boston or New York City and actually take a look around you instead of the usual carefree tunnel vision.
I've lived in New York City. Three generations are from NYC. I've seen what hardwork gets you.

>Homeless
You know most of them are mentally ill and not exactly just old people who lost it all considering hard working old people should still have their social security net along with government health insurance.

>Let them sleep on the fucking floor in the warm building.
Because overcrowding is dangerous.

Just let me know when someone writes one that's actually good and not just escapism or just pure "no dumbass the grass isn't any greener lmao" edge like Shieldbro

I just hate how they all turn into harems.

>>142166717
This. And how they basically are god for whatever reason.

>>142163663
Most of it is shit, but a handful of anime in the genre are actually enjoyable.
I don't know how that's any different from the rest of anime, and I think that people just like to hate on it because of how quickly the genre skyrocketed in popularity.

>>142166715
Not with your shittaste

>>142166717
So don't read the ones with harems like HikiNeet or Bookworm

>>142166715
>escapism is bad
Only like 10% of Shieldbro is edgy, anyway.

>>142166770
Shield Hero is trashy as fuck, though

>>142166753
This. People will always shit on whatever the most recent trend is, and then when the next one comes along they'll say "that last trend could be good sometimes, at least, but this one is just 100% shit."

>>142166749
Let's make a manga that basically real life set in fantasy medieval age with self-insert modern guy. Surely the people will love how this loser from our world be a loser in their world.

>>142166665
I'm not really protecting your feeling. When in the context of employment, being attractive means more than just physical appearance.

Anyway, I'm sorry? I can't really give you any advice. Try for more social interaction?

>>142166805
Shit
Taste

>>142166717
Anything that focuses on more than 1 girl is a harem.

>>142166840
This. It's not the writer's fault. It's shipperfaga.

>>142164635
>Fedora tipping

>>142166875
>>142166840
Why wouldn't it be called a love triangle?

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>>142166828
>Let's make a manga that basically real life set in fantasy medieval age with self-insert modern guy. Surely the people will love how this loser from our world be a loser in their world.

Futurama did it with sci-fi and it was great.

>>142166672
I love this guy. He totally gets it.

>>142166828
Are you retarded
People love underdog stories

>>142166838
I never said I didn't like it, though? It's just a really trashy story about shitty people doing shitty things

>>142166823
Wasn't the last trend magic academies? That was a legitimately shit though.

>>142166831
Yes, you were. It is ok. I forgive you for that as you meant no harm.
It is common knowledge that tall people for instance have greater success than short people. It is also common knowledge that your physical appearance at first is the great deal breaker and people as they are already form an opinion as soon as you step through that door.

It is not that I hate the system. I mean it is rigged from the start. Life isn't fair, and winners and losers will always be around.

>>142166943
>People love underdog stories

I see your point, but let's be fair, there's a point where underdog stops being Rocky and starts being, well, light novels.

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If things like popular genres are tied to social/national attitudes, what do you think the next big VN genre will be?

>>142167016
Post-nuclear survival horror, but you didn't hear it from me.

>make LN about life in a MMORPG
>You could make interesting stories about different kind of people dealing with the virtual world: trying to go home, detaching themselves from the real world, trying to solve the mysteries of the game, etc
>well fuck that let's trivialize this shit and make it about shipping

To be fair Log Horizon and Grimgar kind of did this right but they just were going nowhere as they were ads for the LNs and still had waifus everywhere

>>142166105
>They're all written by people who want to try and break out of being a NEET by becoming an author.
Which they do-

>>142167056
Fix
Your
Shit
Taste

>>142167056
>well fuck that let's trivialize this shit and make it about shipping
This is not a problem exclusive to this genre.

>>142167056
>waifus
Fuck off.

>>142166996
Charisma tramples pure physical appearance any day senpai. Seen that happen more than once and it was just like in ny Chinese cartoons
Work on it even if you have no hope left

>>142163953
>>142163997
That made too much sense. I think I respect a LITTLE bit more isekais now.

It really makes sense when you bring the "hardworking MCs/characters" like that.

>>142164424
>they usually just are born with a hax skill that gives them power.
That's literally the point of the argument.

They are using "cheat" as the meaning of "being three steps ahead everyone"

>>142166943
They love underdog stories of underdogs getting success. That is the appeal. Hard work brings success. However the world is jaded right now, and hard work brings jack shit.
The real fantasy would be that the underdog wins in the end, but hard work is not enough anymore. Now luck is more important.

>>142166956
Magic academy battle harems, and also urban fantasy battle harems. It's why Strike the Blood feels like a throwback to nearly a decade ago.

The only good Reincarnation anime I've watched is Re:zero because the MC remains totally underpowered throughout the series.

That's literally all you need for a reincarnation story to be good: Just don't make the MC really strong and fuck him over 24/7.

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>>142164365

Not exactly fantasy world, but it also applies

>>142167131
Fucking the mc just for the sake of it is no better than giving him constant rewards.

>>142167093
Nay, either you have charisma or you don't. It is not a muscle you can train or a tool you can fix as charisma is something that is based on many factors, including looks.

>>142163663
That's a very nice excuse, but I think it's far more likely that a kind of story where a "useless person" gets a "second chance" in a world where they don't need to put any effort to succeed just strikes a very powerful chord with dissatisfied neet failures. I should know, and while this may be projection, I have very little doubt it applies to at least the bulk of the fanbase for these kinds of tales.. "I wish I hadn't wasted my youth, I wish I'd seen opportunities for what they were, I wish I was a genius so I could coast through life easily".

Pft, realism. What a fucking joke.

>>142167056
>adventure harem
>retards complain that it isn't a completely different story that happens to have the same setting
Every time.

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>japanese blogger figures out people like this shit because it's escapism where loser gets to be awesome and get all the pussy

Better late than never i guess.

>>142167147
How so? The MC in Re:zero returns from death so it's pretty cool watching him get fucked over and trying to get out of impossible situations.

That's way better than an MC who gets hax powers and has literally no challenges.

>>142167131
Funny that Re:Zero only exists as a response to stories about cheating MCs.

>>142167172
Charisma isn't an RPG stat, and while looks play a part, and while your looks can only be partially altered, most other factors can be trained and improved.

>>142167107
You know thats bull and you should feel bad

>cmon dudebro personality and charm are more important than appearances
>is a 6'4 chiseled demigod

Try looking like puberty never hit you, toddlerfaced and 5'5 even when you're 24 and then talk to me about charisma and charm faggot.

>>142167131
>>142167208

Eh, Edge of Tomorrow did it better.

>>142167216
>Charisma isn't an rpg stat

>>142167177
It also reassures that those who succeeded did so because they must have cheated somehow so it's okay that they didn't work hard because they wouldn't have made it anyway.

>>142167202
Yeah I like it in RE:zero because the MC has to think about whats going on, but a hackier writer would just beat the MC down and nothing would come of it.

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>>142163663
Yeah I'm not reading all this shit. Their taste is fucking shit just like every ESL that posts this kind of garbage on this board.

>>142167243
Triggered eh?

>>142167249
All You Need Is Kill was written as a response to videogame savescumming.

Isn't this just the anime form of litRPG?

>>142167243

I've seen sub 5' manlets be quite charismatic. Sure, they have a handicap, but don't blame everything on muh genetics unless you're seriously deformed.

>>142167172
Of course you can train it. I've seen that too from close over the years. Not going into details to avoid blogging but it's true. Your posture your tone of voice, the way you speakx ever personal hygiene - all of that can be praticed. Looks are but one factor
You have literally nothing to lose trying

>>142167264
Losers are easy to pander too because they are fucking losers. Everyone laughs at them because we need them. They bring balance.

>>142163663
>“In fact, the idea that if you try hard you will (definitely) succeed is more of a fantasy.”

That may be so, but most good tales involve hard work, talent, and a great measure of luck to succeed.
Not many try or succeed at selling the idea that the everyman can have everything through hard work alone.

>>142167273
You get pretty tired of Chads thinking they're being good guys by patronizing the shit out of you. I'm a manlet I get it, I'm literal pussy-repellant. Women would rather fuck a balding obese 6'2 autist than a sub 6' person.

I'm not that concerned about the escapism bit. I mean, fiction is all about escapism. It's what we do to cope with reality.

What bugs me is how many of these light novels have such shit writing. It's not just web novels either - I swear, reading the translation of Mushokyu Tensei caused me to lose brain cells.

Seriously, I'm writing my own isekai story now, and even though I'm a shit writer I can still do better than these hacks.

>>142164424
Charlotte played around with a cheating protag in it's first episode before it turned into "redemption" crap.

>>142167386
Not really anon. And hey, at least you're not a balding obese sub' person. You do seem on the autistic side, try to separate fit memes from reality.

>>142167385
They do because it will lead you there, but it won't definitely work.

I personally like Overlord, Kumo Desu Ga, Destruction Flag Otome and Re: Zero quite a bit. These kinds of stories need some sort of twist to get me interested

>>142167386
Have you actually been outside? Or have you just been lurking /int/

>>142167411
>newbie writer who doesn't know what he's talking about
See you fail in a few weeks, faggot

>>142167216
No, it has to be in your character as well. Introverted people have a much harder time to be charismatic as it sucks their energy out of them, while extroverted people feed from it.
That is why extroverts can handle social groups better as it feeds them energy.

Then there is your upbringing. How was your childhood, how were your parents or siblings to you. How was school and growing up. Did you have a teenage crush? Were you born rich or poor?

These are but a small portion of factors that make who you are. A lot of them attribute towards how you behave and in this case, how charismatic you are.

We all make choices since we born. Some work out, some don't. In the end we are products of ourselves and our surroundings, as the outside shapes us. By saying 30 years down the line to become more charismatic is like telling a fish to start learning how to climb a tree.

>>142167411
Pitch your story then fag

>>142167220
hit to below the feels?

>>142163663
>Yet in real life, lots of people try hard but fail to succeed


There's a big difference between trying hard and trying right.

Trying hard at something stupid and pointless can only result in something stupid and pointless, so why should pure effort be rewarded? If you have the capacity to exert lots of effort at something, then make sure you're doing it into something even moderately worthwhile.

> it’s taken as a given that people cheat their way to the top in society

This is also stupid. It's just a question of time allocation. I've seen it again and again in my work, my friends and families work. A worker who is highly efficient and does his job perfectly will almost always be passed over while a worker who is notably less competent gets promoted... because he spent time pointing out what he did to the bosses.

Bosses don't spend their time looking over their employees. They don't know who's competent and who's good. At best they'll pass by some workers and might see one with an empty desk (because the worker is smart and efficient) and think it's because the worker is lazy, and pass by an overflowing desk (because the worker is inefficient and dumb) and think it's a very hard worker.

So all that dumb worker has to do is point out how hard he works and he'll get promoted over the smart, efficient worker who hasn't made himself look good.

Perception is what matters in human interaction. Not reality. Especially if the perception can fully obfuscate reality.

There's a reason why middle management is always slimy faggots who never work and spend all their time socializing, backstabbing and taking others achievements for themselves. It's because those actions are what put them into middle management.

cont.

>>142167452
You're the reason there's too many twists. Understand how stupid you are.

the truth is life is rigged and will always rigged by the people who game the system.
most people are cowards and shackled by their beliefs or misguided morality.
Once you unshackle yourself from the things that hinder you, you'll have a slightly better chance at life then 80% of the people out there.

>>142167411
>Seriously, I'm writing my own isekai story now, and even though I'm a shit writer I can still do better than these hacks.
What's the premise senpai? I'm actually interested.

>>142167497
A boy falls in love with a girl.

Unable to confess, he is gifted with by a deus ex machina with the girl's in-game MMO username. Never minding the strange server name, he immediately logs in and plays with her, and is overjoyed to find out that she has a crush on him as well.

But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day's gaming session to the girl, she only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the girl he called is not the same girl he fell in love with. In fact, she doesn't exist in this universe at all. She is the girl's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with the MC's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of her crush.

Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the virtual weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of LOVE.

>>142167540
Game the system or leave it is really the only way to live.

>>142167497
It's too good to share with the likes of ELS shitters like you. I'll keep it to myself, thanks.

>>142167471
>No, it has to be in your character as well.
Not really. It's true, introverts have it harder than extroverts in social settings, but you use it as an excuse. My cousin does the same, she doesn't even try. I'm extremely introverted, but with a little determination and practice (and alcohol) I can have a great time with a lot of people and have normal interpersonal relationships.
No one is born equal, but whether or not you let that inequality define you is in the hands of most of us. And most of the time, it's your own fault if you can't get over it.

>>142167297
I have 0 guilt for savescumming games that give you chance based rewards. I savescum the everliving fuck out of Fire Emblem until I get levelups I like, for example. I savescum in RPGs to get boss drops all the time. Luck based bullshit DESERVES to be savescummed. All hail fixed stat gains and set drops.

The reason all these LNs have video game analogies are because real life is now becoming just like a shitty video game, where you'll only reach the top if you're lucky. The difference is there's no savescumming.

>>142167510

Would it be better if everything was a rebirth harem?

>>142167602
Yes.

>escapism is escapism
fucking wow what a reveal

>>142167540
>most people are cowards and shackled by their beliefs or misguided morality.
what do you mean by this? Do you believe in Camus' Absurdism?

>>142167508

Cont.

Beyond this is another big issue. Nepotism.

Hiring someone because they are friend or family over someone who merits the job more.

It's what has made the Jews the timeless target of every other group they've shared a country with. A strong and relentless in-group preference is a clear advantage for members of that group. As soon as a few of them get power, they can then pull up every other member of the group to other positions of power, eventually shutting out the majority from its own power.

Again, makes perfect sense for the in-group, but it's sure to piss off the out-group.

The sad thing is, while you can reduce the frequency at which this happens by promoting merit based hiring and promotion as much as possible, it's impossible to eradicate.

It's just too easy for someone to pick someone they know who isn't perfect for the job, but good enough over someone they don't know who could be perfect for the job, but could also be terrible. The evil we know, and all that.

>>142167600
>luckfags
Life is so simple. Just be good and you will make it.

>>142167600
Why the fuck would you feel guilty about savescumming in the first place? It's a fucking game, you're playing for fun.

>>142167620

I disagree

>>142167550
>>142167497
An isekai fan dies, and is reincarnated in a parallel world.

As an NPC.

It's a slice-of-life disguised as an isekai story. The MC, who was previously enamoured with becoming the hero, is forced to be an innkeeper. The story deals with how the MC deals with his new life, which at first seems similar to his old one.

Then he either accepts it or decides to kill the hero in his sleep whe he stays at the inn. Haven't thought things fully yet.

>>142167468
If I fail, I fail. I mean, Leo Tolstoy I ain't, but at the very least I could do better than most if those web novels.

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WHAT DO YOU NIGGERS HAVE AGAINST SHORT BURSTS OF HAPPINESS

>>142167675
If you want to, you're going to have to prove it, faggot. I'll be waiting.

>>142167471
Your past did not set your social skills in stone and there's no excuse to neglect a skill that will be useful for the rest of your life
Yes, success depends on many factors outside of your control but personal growth is one of the few cases where sheer hard work will absolutely bring results. Fake it until it becomes second nature, nothing wrong with that

>>142167675
that's bretty gud so I'll steal it

>>142167675
The premise sounds decent enough seeing as the MC isn't a superpowered god the moment he arrives in the parallel world.

>>142167731
Faking is absolutely disgusting. That's how you do bad things.

>>142167709
Those pants look dumb as fuck.

>>142167731
>>142167595
>>142167471
Take it to some other board, guys.

>>142167600
Fire Emblem would be so much better if it autosaved constantly.

>>142167768
Got something against knee-bucklers?

>>142167651
Yeah

I walked right into a boardroom, gave the CEO a firm handshake and he made me manager of the downtown store that same day

You just have to pull yourself up by your bootstraps

>>142167675
There's a few like that. One I can recall is 'Because I'm a Weapons Shop Uncle'

>>142167767
Don't be an imbecile. Faking it is how you fit in. Have some drinks to ease the crippling social anxiety, and bluff for all you're worth. You get used to it, you get good at it.

>>142166286
I don't know much about shart online but I was under the impression beta-tester experience carried over and the system would sometimes randomly generate secret classes for people based on their playstyle, hence the special snowflake dual blade class. Don't know why the fuck he's superhuman otherwise.

Also holy fuck wouldn't that be frustrating as hell to be in a world where you suddenly couldn't use a weapon because of some arbitrary invisible system saying 'no you aren't a wizard you can't equip that staff'?

>>142165889
Yamato please leave.

>>142167731
>Fake it until it becomes second nature, nothing wrong with that
Yeah man, just do it.

Stop feeling unhappy. Cheer up bro and you'll be happy just like that.
Getting girls is easy too bro just talk to them and they will be at your feet.
Also, don't forget to be yourself.

Nothings worse than those twists where everyone gets slaughtered.

>>142165720
>In this world, a single blade can take you anywhere you want to go. And even though it's a virtual world, I feel more alive in here than I ever did in the real one.

Too bad sao didn't live up to that ethos and didn't have any spirit.

>>142167828
No anon, see: >>142167807
That's how an introvert plays. Absolutely never be your stupid autistic self. And for the love of god don't talk about anime.

>>142167666
By accepting a reload, you give express permission for a higher authority to plagiarize you. You didn't save the day; the reloads did, and you simply fed it the information.

>>142167131
>>142167249
To be fair, that anon said anime

>>142167868
Anime is life.

>>142167802

funny thing, I also attempted to make contact with the CEO of a company to ask about ANY job, and his secretary had me escorted out of the building because i wasn't in his scheduled appointments.

I wasn't trying to be edgy or act weird or anything; I had on a suit, was well groomed, personable (i can fake it very well), "normal". All i asked was when he would be back from lunch so I could get a chance to speak with him. She said "one moment please", picked up the phone, and dialed for security.

Let me guess, you happened to have an appointment to meet your CEO, which means you passed the phone screening, which means you applied or were referred by people you know. Also known as "nepotism".

>>142167709
Because its not real and its obnoxious.

Its why SAO is hated. It went too deep into self-fellation.

Marche is right and will always be right.

>>142166105
Fuck where you're from,
Fuck where you're goin,
It's all about where you're at

>>142165926
>They really, REALLY should have a mandatory finances, tax, general living type of class in all public schools.
>They really, REALLY should have a mandatory meat, nutrition, general veterinary medicine type of class in all slaughterhouses.
It's not just a coincidence people graduate university without knowing what a tax is, Anon.

>>142167868
That's the thing though.

How does someone fake it?

>And for the love of god don't talk about anime.
Well, no shit. I'm no social butterfly and I know there's a place and time for everything but that's my limit.

What does one talk about? H
ow does one bring up a conversational topic?
How does one fake confidence when you've never had any in your entire life?
How does one fake how to be someone you aren't?

That's why I find Just Fake it to be such an useless advice as Just be Yourself. It's nothing but platitude.

>>142165926
That's what Social Security is, it's a way of forcing people to save for retirement because people were too retarded to do it themselves

>>142167998

That was an obvious troll poking fun at Boomers, anon.

>>142168008
>fiction isn't real
Holy shit, you're a genius, anon.

>>142168059
>anime not being your everything all the time

>you used to be able to stay with the same company for 40 years
>now unless you're a genius from Todai, you'll stay poor forever and never get married because muh independent career women

Being Japanese is suffering. At least in America you can still make 60-70k by being average.

>>142168008
>other miserable people doing miserable things that lessen their misery that have absolutely nothing to do with your life
>It's not real so it's bad!

>>142168091
>60-70k
Kek
Fucking poorfags
Not even middle class

>>142168071
You mean it's a way of cheating+forcing people out of their money while generating a feedback loop of irresponsibility.

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>>142168008
SAO was so fucked

>NO U I'M ADMIN NOW

>>142168059
Exactly
>Just Fake It
Fake what? I never had whatever it is, how am I supposed to fake it? I can do a close approximation based on what other people seem to do, yet it's never close enough and there are moments where you're just floundering not knowing what exactly to say or do, and it's not like anyone ever gives structured feedback anymore. If you're not "faking it" properly you just get ignored. How are you supposed to improve this mystical "it"?

>>142168128
Median income in US is 53k, it is middle class.

>>142168059
not him but those are all things you'll figure from actually trying to do it instead of trying to figure out every variable in your head before taking a single step.

It's like learning to draw. You can have an amazing guide or whatever but you're not going to improve until you actually put pencil to paper.

>>142163663
>all this convoluted bullshit
>not simply admitting elevens are unoriginal bandwagon jumpers cashing on the latest fad

>>142168091
No, you fucking can't. Median personal income in the US was 30K in 2010.

>>142168178
>not knowing how to fake it
Not gonna make it

>>142168214
>Not gonna make it
And so? What's wrong with that?

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>>142168214
>wanting to be a normie

So apparently it's just one loud hater, which somehow another loud hater in the west read it and took assumption the guy represent all people in Japan. And like usual, /a/ fall for it.
Oh well.

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>it's a talent vs hard work thread
Sweet

>>142168192
That's household. Personal is lower.

>>142168239
>being comfortable with not making it
Hah fucking losers

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>>142168239
Nothing. We all have the same destination anyways.

>>142163663
>shitty
No, you are shitty. Shield Hero is original and the best revenge porn ever.

>>142168260
more like
>hard work vs luck thread

>>142168059
Well, drinking is important, for me. I could fake it before I started drinking socially, but I could never be comfortable or enjoy myself. Loosens you up.

Secondly, you don't have to start conversations if you're with more people. Listen, interject, converse. Hang out.

Third, confidence helps, but if you don't have that just go through the motions. You'll talk to people, talk to girls, and this practice will make the situation less fucking terrifying, and when it's not scary, you can talk and act even more freely. Clear your head (alcohol helps, in moderation), don't think about what can go wrong, and just talk. It's about practice.

>>142168251
Stay in your safe zone kiddo

>>142167709
when will we get a LN protag as based as Marche

>>142167651
>Just be good
0/20 troll. Almost decided not to reply

>>142168267
where_do_you_think_you_are.jpg

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>not going full luck build

>>142168333
You don't believe it because you're shit. It's alright. You can still make it. Just work hard.

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>>142163663
Yes, but what's the point of giving him a harem?

>>142168369
BOOTSTRAPS

>>142168331
>protag

>>142168344
/a/'s standard of living will improve. Believe it.

>>142165112

maybe you should you know advertise your product.

Case in point Wii U against PS4

I can't read your manuscript if I don't know about it same with books and movies.

>>142168396
Wish fulfillment

>>142168208
>guy tries to describe why something is popular
>no, retard, it's popular because it's popular!

>>142168211
My mother has a GED instead of a diploma and doesn't even have an associates degree let alone a bachelor's but she makes $80,000+ a year because she is
1) One of the hardest workers in her, and well-respected as a result
2) Well-connected because the people who work with her look out for her and each other

She used to work for a temp agency and she got her current job because after temping for them they liked her enough to hire her permanently.

So yeah I would say that being average can get you at least $60k, hell people who start working as Accountants for firms fresh out of college make $53-55k assuming it's a firm in a major city.

>>142168396
Guys love anime girls

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Cry more. The tears is really delicious.

>>142167666
I have no idea, but I've actually been verbally abused for savescumming in the past. A lot of people tend to regard it as "cheating". I don't see a problem with it myself.

I also tend to use exploits to reduce grinding time. The way I look at it is, I can either sit here and kill 200 enemies until one of them drops this motherfucking item, or I can just force it to drop with Cheat Engine/Action Replay/whatever and pretend I was lucky. Eventually, if I sit here and kill enough of them, it'll drop, and it's not like I am having any difficulties killing them. But who has that kind of time? It's not like I have anything to prove. Take old Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy games as an example. I can sit here for 4 hours grinding monsters for levels, or I can just activate a code that gives me tons of experience and continue on with the story.

Wasn't there an LN about this, where the world in the video game keeps on going after the MC savescummed and he gets summoned into one of the failed saves?

How do I make connections to succeed in the real world?

>>142168059
I had my brother discussing these exact same questions almost 10 years ago and he made it. When we were kids we weren't allowed outside. The kids nicknamed us after a famous prison. In hs he almost pounced someone for jokingly talking shit about his fa vourite singerx among other bullshit. How do you think his social skills were? Yet he made it, and for years now he can't get into any activity without having someone to socialize, and I heard him say he can't understand how people have a hard time talking. A complete 180. Sure, he happened to change his nature at some point, but that's not how it was in the beginning. He activelly faked a persona, probably embarassed himself multiple times trying to keep up conversations but eventually mastered it
Trial and error, do it faggot

The real world is boring. It's less boring if you have money and power, but there's still no sense of adventure or mystery and you're still stuck doing the same shit every day, it just pays better.

Isekai worlds just seem more fun to me, at least if they're done well.

>>142168412
I fucking hope not, I'd have to find a new home if we got overrun by those types.

>>142168449
Anon, if the median income is 30K, then how the fuck does being average get you 60K?

>>142168469
You fucking disgust me
That's not hard work. That's cheating, you piece of shit.

>>142168321
>Do as random anon told on an image board
>Be yourself, just drink and listen
>Go to family, work, friends get together
>end up with no friends, family or work at all
>Thanks anon, you are the best.

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>>142168469
>I can just force it to drop with Cheat Engine/Action Replay/whatever and pretend I was lucky.
> or I can just activate a code that gives me tons of experience
Why even play the game at that point?

>>142168515
Suck dick

>>142168261
Probably because blacks and mexicans drag the national average down. You can be completely average and make 50k at the least, as long as you work a job with good growth.

>>142168403
he may be seen as a villain but as long as the story is from his perspective he's the protaganist

>>142168518
Is the real world boring or are you boring, anon? Know the difference.

>>142167510
He's saying some sort of angle that makes it more than some shithead waking in a fantasy world.

>>142168515
Be a delusional baby boomer and BOOTSTRAPS

>>142168433
Disgusting.

A fantasy can be good without resorting to such banal things that make it obvious that the target (and ultimately ONLY) audience is teenage boys. Isekai fantasy stories would be much more interesting if they didn't rely so much on fanservice and lucky sukebe situations.

>>142168533
I literally, explicitly told you not to be yourself. Being yourself is for non-autistic extroverts.

Introverts have to bluff and try not to pay attention to the panicked screaming of your brain until you get used to it.

>>142168469
That's what I don't get about games that have excessive grinding.'. You're literally killing the same enemy over and over or doing the same action again and again or you could save yourself time and just get the drop.

It's like in runescape where grinding in there was the most tedious shit ever and required a solid month of effort for 8+ hours to max out ONE skill.

>>142168522
That was 2010, six years have passed since then and the median income in 2014 was 51k. I'd expect it to be a thousand or so higher since then you goof.

>>142168517
>My fantasy brother did it, so can you!@

>>142168344
I don't think /a/ are all losers, and I doubt you really are either.

You just use your spare, not being with friends, hobbies or dating time on TV shows from the wrong country. Throw Game of Thrones into the mix, play a video game, or read some core /lit/ novels. You'll be forcing yourself, but can actually discuss it with someone,

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>>142168059
>how does one bluff
You start out by never talking much yourself but just responding to questions and just sponging all the things others talk about. If they talk about something you are unfamiliar with or it's something they sounded interested in but put it off as an aside, ask em about it (ex. coworker says they ran that weekend or something, and you know from overhearing other people talk about this weather thing that they don't like it when it gets dark and "rains" whatever the fuck that is, ask them if it 'rained'). Yeah sure you don't give a fuck about when it rains because you stay indoors all fucking day and night like the neet you are, but soon enough like someone learning jap in djt you'll eventually sponge enough common-speak that you will at least be able to hold a normal-fag conversation. I'm sorry that you're missing that part of the prefrontal cortex that should be handling your social skills but you may just be overthinking it. You know that one argument you got into with some other anon who actually knew his shit and you didn't, but just kept bullshitting until you passed off as not being a total jackass? It's kind of like that.

Of course, the simplest solution is actually having social interactions beyond saying hi to your grocery clerk. What better way to learn to swim then actually be in the water?

>>142163663
That does make some sense. I still generally don't like those series though.

I liked Konosuba recently and that was about it, mostly because it didn't take itself serious and had some humor/amusing characters in it along with a tolerable MC; these traits alone put it a few steps beyond the usual pitfalls anime fall down. So basically for reasons that had nothing to do with the setting/design itself. Stuff like SAO I just can't get into at all.

Speaking of effort vs reward, it's a stark irony that these stories/plots are so incestuous between each other that it just doesn't take a lot of effort to throw one together.

>>142168548
Did you just try to claim that personal income being lower than household income was because of black people?

>>142168635
You must be an idiot if you don't get it. Educate yourself.

>>142167731
>Fake it until it becomes second nature, nothing wrong with that

nips don't like that too, I think

>>142163663
>there is no job security for young people, and in order to get hired you need to bury your individuality.

>>142168585
in that anon's defense, he doesn't have plot armor like an anime MC so he can't exactly go fight ISIS or something.

>>142167595
>and alcohol
fuck off

>>142168650
I do think /a/ are all losers. They talk like they don't know hard work is the key to success along with luck and working smart.

>>142168369

this is hilariously playing into what the guy in the OP said; that it's talk like this that is ultimately a fantasy.

What signs point to that one has "made it"? Is it a new car? The ability to buy a home with money made from your "hard work"? And what signs point to that one "works hard"? Is it showing up to work? Is it going above and beyond to do your job?

The truth is no normal person has ever "made it by working hard" because the people that make it have relied constantly on others since day 1 of their working lives. You can buy a car, so you think you made it? Your boss pays leases for 3 of his own. You finally can buy a house? Your boss has bought and sold property since you were still in high school trying to get your dick wet. You have not "made it" because there is someone you have to work for that "made it" even more. And you probably also think that you can do their job easily, that you have the tough gig. There is no ceiling, because money makes the world go round and everyone who has it only wants more.

>>142168650
Fuck off, you normalfag piece of shit. /a/ is, and hopefully always will be, dominated by people who don't have any "being with friends, hobbies, or dating" time. I have no desire to experience other media just so I can talk with people that I'm not interested in in the first place.

>>142168178
How the ideal person you intend to act like acts? Try behaving like him. That's all ther is to it

>>142168673
Please explain to why I need to waste a literal month of my lifetime to get a desired output in a game?

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>>142168650
>Throw Game of Thrones into the mix
hahahaha

>>142168469
>Wasn't there an LN about this, where the world in the video game keeps on going after the MC savescummed and he gets summoned into one of the failed saves?
If there wasn't, you've given me an idea for a regular fantasy.
>hero exploits reloads to find the ideal way to defeat the villain
>right after Best End achieved, he wakes up in the timeline before he first reloaded
>now has to get Best Ends from all the discarded timelines to pay off a temporal debt

>>142168643
You ate free to believe what you like

>>142168724
What, you straightedge? It's an excellent way to shut up the voice in your head that won't stop bitching about how the music is too loud and how your feet hurt and how you wish you were home watching anime.

Sure, it tastes like poisonous piss, but man the fuck up. Hell, I personally prefer hard liquor because holding my expression through the burning in my throat secretly makes me feel kind of like a badass and it takes less swigs of the stuff to get to the sweet spot.

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>>142168651
The problem with not being yourself is that nobody will actually like you for you. If you just fake it you're only going to make casual normalfag acquaintances at best.

Just embrace being a friendless loser if you are one.

>>142164247
>The problem is just that working hard gets you nowhere.
No shit, dig a hole for nobody and nobody will pay you. Hard work = success is just a shitty boomer meme created by comfortable idiots who never had the same job competition; anyone who knows the first thing about supply and demand economics, knows that value is the product of productivity not labour. No matter how hard you work, the only thing that matters to the person holding the purse strings, is the end result.

Quit blogging you fucking faggots.

>>142168851
Nobody likes anyone for who they are. Everyone wears masks, metaphorically speaking. That's why everyone turns into a fucking asshole on anonymous laotian buddhist sandpainting boards.

>>142168747
Clearly, you haven't made it if you're asking. Being happy with yourself when you have made it. A fuck load of people aren't happy with themselves and need to go the fuck out into the wilderness outside their comfort zone and work hard to reach where they can finally be happy.

>>142168650

To be fair most "core /lit/ novels" aren't easy to discuss outside of hardcore readers. And most people don't fucking read as I have learned over the years.

GoT works though.

>>142168857
Speaking of blogs, whatever happened to that brat spamming faggot?

>>142168650
>>142168848
How do people like this even wind up on /a/? Go back to Facebook.

>>142168651
awesome. Just throw someone who can't swim in the water. What is the worst that could happen?

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>>142168857
>waaaah actual discussion makes me mad

>>142168884
Fuck you faggots. I don't want to like a faker. Be actually good or get out.

>>142168905
>>>/r9k/

>>142168650
You're a retard, fuck off.

>>142168905
You'll never make it

>>142168905
Because I spend the vast majority of my time in my room like a shut in loser? I simply understand the value of going out with friends every now and then, and have managed to successfully fake not being a goddamn sperg through practice.

>>142168635

Don't listen to this fellow. >>142168673
I think the matter is simply that grinding is just a traditional part of those sorts of games, due in no small part to the fact that the people who play them often find grinding fun. I know I do. Or rather did, since I don't really play video games much anymore.

Why are we talking about video games again?