Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1466

はやっ

>Duplicate file exists here
The system works

おそっ

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>>138755753
The "system" is that 1 guy always posts the new thread. If you go to post the thread, and you're not that guy, you're fucking up. It's been like that for a long time.

魍魎

>>138755894
Type the whole thing, goofball 魑魅魍魎

Why isn't there a private tracker for the CoR shit instead of hosting it on mega?

>>138755947
いいえ、魍魎だけはもっと好き

>>138755827
I haven't been doing it as often lately because I get distracted by reading or something else, don't notice the thread dying, and someone else makes a new thread within a minute or two of the old one dying. It shouldn't really be a big deal, the point of his post was more that if people are going to make a new thread within a minute of the old one dying, using a consistent image for those cases helps prevent duplicates.

>>138755947
ちんこ魑魅魍魎

>>138756021
It's inevitable. If one person stops, another begins. It's the way of life. I can't remember a time it hasn't been like that. Notice how /vg/ doesnt have consistent images but doesn't have a huge problem of duplicate threads. Reason being, one person takes up the mantle for most generals.

>>138756005
A secret club FTP would probably be better so there aren't dead torrents and people having to host tons of crap they don't care about / reveal their IPs if they're not using a VPN, but the CoR is used on enough different sites that trying to make the CoR's contents private would just attract more outsiders into the thread.

>>138756021
i'ts not a problem unless an autist is duplicate posting 4x
しつけえよ
いい加減にしろ

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Post your stats anon.

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>>138756130

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>>138756130
It's only been 1 week, but I feel like the little girl is right. I can't learn Japanese. I already forgot a shitload of words.

>>138756255
The beginning is the hardest.

>>138756255
Cramming is bad anon

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>>138756130

>>138756255
You realize this isn't a two-month thing, right?

>>138756255
One week post-finishing grammar books or literal one week? That's okay anon, persevere!!

>>138756305
If I don't I just forget words really fast. Yesterday I've learned 20 new words after lunch, tried custom study of forgotten words and I've already forgotten most of them.

>>138756304
>>138756345
I know. It's not the first time I'm learning a foreign language, but with kanji most words just don't stick with me. I forget how to read it most of the time and sometimes I even think I've never even seen that word only to realize that I've learned it yesterday or a few days back.

>>138756502
I've only learned kana before starting vocab and anki, which took me 3 days. So it's 10 days if you count that.

>>138756529
> I just forget words really fast.
If you feel it'll help you can add an additional step, you know how with new cards you have to get it right twice for it to go through, you can go in the options and add a third or even forth one, helps a bit with remembering new cards

>>138756529
>It's not the first time I'm learning a foreign language,
How about you go glot some polydick

>>138756529
>Yesterday I've learned 20 new words after lunch and after a few hours I've tried custom study of forgotten words and realized I've already forgotten most of them.

Fixed it a bit.

>>138756559
I'd say it's too early to say whether you actually have problems on retention or not but for your consideration you could try kangxi radical deck, rtk, any kanji book other than rtk, kd, kd deck, or any variation of method that could help you retain information by being able to deconstruct kanji to some smaller components.

>>138756529
If after two weeks, you still feel kanji is the problem, do a radicals deck. If after that, you still feel kanji is the problem, do something like RTK or KD.

>>138756625
Hostile much

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>>138756625
It's mandatory for all people here to learn 2 other languages at school.

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>アメリカに行ったら、たくさん太りました。
>As a result of going to America, I got really fat. (unexpected result)
>unexpected

>>138756710
笑

>>138756698
>Mandatory language learning in school

je m'appelle anon

>>138756756
It is. English (as a second language) is being taught from elementary school. Then from 5th grade you can choose between Russian and German. When you reach 10th grade you can drop English and Russian/German or even pick a 4th language. I didn't drop anything, but didn't pick another language. Also, English is still taught at most colleges/unis.

>>138756842
Sound like bragging to me.

>>138756698
School learning is worlds apart from confronting yourself to a new language without institutional hand-holding.

>>138756840
Is it that unusual? They make you take at least a couple years of language classes in burgerland (at least in Texas) too.

>>138756933
What? How is it bragging? I'm not the one who made this shit up, that's how it works here.

>>138756988
>I will let you know I've learned 3 languages and Japanese will be my fourth. Not my first rodeo.
Humble brag much?

>>138756988
Put a cock in it

>>138756979
There were a few mandatory years of French in my school in the UK but it was casual as fuck, I literally don't remember anything about it, I had to google how to spell je m'appelle because I could only vaguely remember even that

>>138756130
軒並みゼロ
そんなものが必要ねぇんだよ

>>138756842
Here it's English from 5th to 11th grade and one out of Spanish/German/French from 7th to 9th. That said, it's not like most people finish highschool with more than a basic grasp on English and the other language ends up being completely forgotten.

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>>138757064
>Anons say it takes time
>Respond that I know that
>WOW! Bragging much?!

k, m8s. You win.

>>138757073
I remember maite non. And some bullshit words like l'esprit de l'escalier or raison d'etre and a few other shit.

ITH or VNR?

>>138757215
Stop taking the bait, you autist. How new can you be?
>>138757197
できない

>>138757224
ITHVNR. It's ITH with VNR's engine.

Combine it with this to hook it directly into Firefox.

http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk

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>>138757251
I'll forever be a newfag

回覧板に書いたんじゃん

>>138757292
brb, soup.

>>138757288
the auto-scroll method can be used with Capture2text as well to read manga

>>138757392
>Capture2text
How accurate is this? I might start actually reading manga more if it's consistently reasonably accurate. I prefer having the full original sentence whenever I'm mining, so mining from manga is very tedious.

>>138757292
Is this from when you started posting or when you started lurking? Because I started lurking years before I started actively posting.

>>138757644
Lurking. I started posting a couple of years later.

Does anybody have a somewhat good quality of dekinai-chan in render form (or vector form)? I'd like to create a wallpaper for my phone so that I never forget to do my reps.

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>>138757702
Best I can do

>>138757714
Great! I should be able to use this. Thanks a bunch anon.

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>>138757702
No but you can have this low res cutout and a reminder that you can't learn Japanese.

>>138757467
I don't use it often enough to be able to judge that. I only use it for some technobabbles, esp. introductory technobabbles, in some manga. So once every 3-4 chapters if not less.

It's always accurate to me. You know manga have dialogues in balloons and mumblings outside the balloons, I never tried it on the outside dialogue-box lines, so I don't know how accurate it is.

> I prefer having the full original sentence whenever I'm mining
I don't capture the whole sentence. I just highlight the words-Firefox-Rikai. I don't bother mining it half the time. It's not like I'll ever see チャクラ解剖刀 outside of Naruto for example.

My guess is I don't think mining a complete sentence will works 100% of the time for manga with capture2text just because sentences often split to separate dialogue boxes.

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http://store.steampowered.com/app/417310/

>>138757818
I already have it, but thanks anon.

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>>138757953

>>138757953
Vocab game when?

Kana is easy as hell and there already a shit ton of games on both PC and mobile phones.

I just started anki, and am doing radicals before I do vocab, but what do you guys mean when you say "rep" in regards to anki? Like, I just finished the default new cards and review, so the normal 20 words(I'm gonna do more don't worry). how many reps would that be?

>>138757953
I'd rather Katakana to be honest.

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>>138758066
>Vocab game when?
Any Japanese developed game, dude.

>>138758117
3.5

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>>138758169
Does it tell you what the word means or how to read it (if it includes kanji)?

>>138758233
It's a guessing game. You gotta use context to guess what the word means. As for kanji, if you don't know one, it becomes an art game where you get to draw them. Endless fun!

>>138758117
20

>>138758372
You could actually learn Japanese instead.

I have to ask because I really want to start learning the actual language, not just the alphabets, do I really need to learn radicals before going on to vocabulary? More importantly, should I learn radicals before doing the core vocab deck?

>>138758517
>do I really need to learn radicals before going on to vocabulary?
It helps a lot
>should I learn radicals before doing the core vocab deck?
It helps a lot

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I'm trying to play a DS Mahjong game and found these moonrunes in it: 総半荘数
What do they mean? Jisho couldn't help.

>>138757288
>vnrhost.dll is not safe and has been removed.

Hey guys I'm currently in need of something to listen to while grinding on a game, I've heard people talk about seiyuu radio before and that sounds pretty nice, can someone provide me with a link please, or recommend me some better alternatives?

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That ちんぐちょんぐ feel when.

>>138758433
Learning japanese won't make you big buxs though.

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Waifu 2x that shit and add some noise.

>>138758517
No, but it helps.

>>138758630
Total number of 半荘 (games) that you have played.

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>>138758915
>>138757702
We need to go higher res.

>>138759169
Thanks, anon.

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>>138759271
Sorry capt

>>138759313
Now that's a face that says can't.

why is it a bad idea to learn Kanji in a way that Japanese kids learn it?

ボンクラども聞けぇい
俺はお前の神様だ
ここは神様（俺）の独壇場なんだよっ
くだらないことで染まってしまったんだが
ついに清めの日が来た

救われたいか
罪を悔い改めろ
俺に祈りを捧げろォ

しないと、神様（俺）の拳の下で潰すことだ

信じれば、楽園に連れて行けるぞ

どうだ

>>138759520
うるせえ 死ね

>>138759498
Japanese people learn kanji to read words they already know.
YOU'RE learning the kanji and words at the same time.

>>138759313
>>138759271
kek, well done 先輩たち.

>>138759498
It is too slow.

>>138759559
thanks for the reply, but I still wonder why it's bad for me to learn Kanji in the order that Japanese kids learn. They learn easy Kanji or common Kanji for the first grade, right?

>>138759752
The vast majority of jouyou kanji (1000-1500) are used so commonly that whether one is more common than the other is entirely irrelevant. Grade 1 kanji is not particularly easy, because no kanji is harder than another - just rarer (which is not relevant for the majority of jouyou kanji which are not rare).

>>138759520
>清め
>ことだ
>行ける


>独壇場
一文字入れ替えれば土壇場

>>138759752
>>138759822
Forgot the main point. Because they're all so common, there's no *need* to learn in the order kids do. It won't be good, or bad. Therefore, learning in an order that's easier to learn or more efficient just makes sense.

>>138759752
its only bad because its curriculum designed for people learning japanese as their primary language and its spread out over many years in which youre using japanese every day in between coursework

the material is fine but youre at a communication level much higher than that of a child (assumedly) so you can use that to your advantage with higher level study methods/materials

>>138759822
>>138759860
Thanks anon. this thread is really useful.
I want to believe the order I learn Kanji is efficient way for memorizing.
I'm interested in the order that Japanese kids learn.

>tfw you have 300+ reps due for the next day

>>138759969
thank you for the advise and I wanna appeciate people who create the learning method that I am currenly learning.

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Is there an IME input for this? Like ハート for .

>>138760334
しょぼーん

Since you clearly don't know, just type かおもじ and look through your IMEs list. きごう is also interesting to look through

>>138760334
>Like ハート for .
wew ok mootnik

>>138760411
Oh yeah, exactly what I was looking for. Thanks (´・ω・｀)

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Ow

彼は交通事故にow

>>138757218
>l'esprit de l'escalier
>stair's spirit
wut

>>138760063
Japanese kids learn the 'most useful' kanji first, not the simplest one. For instance, compare these five kanji 叱 泊 雨 雲 曜. It seems rather obvious that the first two are simple. Indeed they don't have many strokes, and they're easy to remember. On the other hand, the last three, especially the third seems harder to remember and draw.
Now compare the approximate meaning of each : to scold, to stay overnight, rain, cloud, day of the week. While being easier to retain, the first two kanji relate to more complex ideas than the last three. Just look at the kanji for day of the week, it really doesn't seem easy to write/remember. The complexity of a kanji doesn't necessarily relate to the idea behind it.
Yet, if you follow the way Japanese kids learn kanji, you'll learn 曜 way before 叱. But for kids, it's rather logical since they know what both words are, they only need kanji to write/read them. As an adult learning Japanese, you don't already know the words. In conclusion, learning each kanji individually the way Japanese kids do it isn't a great idea overall. If you want to study kanji, either do it through Core or some form or vocabulary, or go for a logical step progression method, like RTK, Kanji Damage or Kodansha's Learner Course.

>>138760506
autism

>>138760063
>I'm interested in the order that Japanese kids learn.
Nah, don't do that.
Instead try something like KanjiDamage's deck based on how common the kanjis are, this way you'll be learning the most used kanjis first, regardless of meaning or strokes, and the uncommon ones later.

>>138757714
Why is she the strongest in the Universe?

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>>138761103
The smirk.

>>138757292
I'm an early intermediate newfag

>>138757292

>not being an oldfag

>>138757953
Cringe. Now make one for kanji :^)

The Kanjis

Is there a grammar deck? or just kim

>>138761578
The Katakanas

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Dio vs Dekinai-Chan when?

>>138761736
There is a DOJG deck. Should be in the guide.

>>138761898
What pertinent and relevant discussion!

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How was your performance today?

I don't think I should have done 70 new cards yesterday, today took too long.

>>138757953

>kana

>easiest fucking part of the language, bar none; kana will cover just the first few days in possibly the longest task that you will ever complete in your entire life
>already several top-tier programs for learning it
>people continue to add to the mountain of kana-learning materials

>meanwhile, materials for learning kanji just keep regurgitating Heisig and KD, and anki basically remains the only game in town
>English grammar resources and J-E dictionaries also aren't perfect yet

All of the low-hanging fruit has been picked for years now, people. You're late as fuck. Aim higher or don't bother.

>>138762279
What I've gathered is a lot of the people who make these apps are not into Japanese learning, but rather are programmers who realize how easy memorization games are, and who then combine this with their passion of animu.

>>138762252
Check the thread : >>138756130

>>138762460
>/a/
When will this meme die?

>>138756090
This is completely wrong. You simply check the catalog before making a thread. If you happen to make a duplicate, you can either let the one posted first take the flag, or be a whiny bitch and cause trouble just so you get (You)s when people reply to the OP to post.

>>138762411
I'm not going to respond to people who use meme decks.

>>138762557
It's not wrong. The same person really does make the post every time, so no one else should feel the need to. Only when the de-facto poster doesn't post for 5-10 minutes does the catalog stuff comes into play.

>>138762598
>meme decks
Sure buddy.

>>138762642
You keep doing those memeonics

>>138761198
>the white around the screenshots
>not autistic enough to adjust ShareX when starting a new VN

>>138762641
I don't know what kind of fucked up general you've been but expect to see a new one pop up when the bump limit is reached. At worst you'll have a thread wars with dedicated shitposters stirring shit (much like here actually)

>>138762460
you still dont know where you are. eat shit with your self aware meta shit bitch

>>138762662
Yes, because I want to re-meme-mber my kanji.

>>138762702
Uh, DJT? I myself posted a couple hundred threads in a row awhile back so I especially know it to be for a fact. I think >>138755779 took the job over since he always posts so fast but I'm not sure.

>>138762783
I thought we were talking about /vg/. My bad.

>>138762460
Off-topic is still off-topic even if it's /a/ related. If you want to bring /a/ elements in, at least make it on-topic. That's like shitposting about a completely unrelated show in an an anime's thread and then sperging out that it's on topic because you're still on /a/.

>>138762783
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0

>>138762702
>but expect to see a new one pop up when the bump limit is reached
That's not how DJT works. Only one thread being up at once is one of the conditions for the mods giving DJT the okay to stay on /a/. That's why we wait for the thread to fall completely off the board before making a new one.

>>138762783
I did it for a few hundred threads too, but it might be him now, who knows.

>>138762882
He brought it up dude
>>138762844
I know /vn/ threads were posted by ti9 every single time, and /hgg/ has the same guy too, which is why I brought up /vg/.

>>138762994
>muh safe space circlejerk
>>>/r/learnjapanese

>>138762962
Very civil threads. Compare them to /dsg/ or /fgg/ (actual video games). Or don't, you're better off staying away from these cesspool generals.

>>138762460

So this is the cancer who wants his le anime waifoo on the DJT OP.

Take note everyone. This is what you're inviting.

ban everyone who posted in this thread in the last 20 mins, even me

tfw spent 2 years as NEET learning japanese when I could've learnt something useful like programming

don't do it, manga and VNs get old

>>138762252
23/26 mature cards today.
Its always the damn newspaper words.

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Fuck off with the stupid meta shit. Off-topic is still off-topic even if it's /a/ stuff. If you're not going to stay on-topic, then fuck off or at least go to the /qa/ thread and argue there.

>>>/qa/469090

>>138763236
>went from 100 posts to 460
Glad I closed that tab

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>>138763202
I would have learned programming if I were any good at it. Had to stop after a certain point.
Japanese is so much more rewarding. And good news, there's other things you can do besides manga and VNs.

>>138763287
you can read yaraon blog and participate in the comments

you can hit on japanese cat girl players in final fanty 14

>>138763452
>you can hit on japanese cat girl players in final fanty 14
This. Learning Japanese is more rewarding than it might seem at first sight.

>>138763287
Outside of weeb material, Japanese has been useful to me precisely 3 times in 2 years. If I go to Japan even once it'll shoot up to several hundred times but until then...

>>138763515
>Outside of weeb
That's like saying "outside of computers" for coding

>>138763549
Well he said "besides manga and VNs". If the implied followup to that is "such as anime" then what was the point?

I've been reading Tae Kim and holy fuck he just went on an autistic rant about how だ isn't the short form of です.
It wouldn't have been so bad if his arguments weren't shit. Why is this book recommended again?

>>138763638
Don't sweat the small stuff dude

>>138763202
>not neet
>learn encoding
>improve PRO gramming skills
>make my own applications
>learn Japanese
>indulge in patrician culture
>classes and internships

You're right, you've wasted your life.

>>138763202
>manga and VNs get old
>implying

>>138763638
Then you should definitely try Imabi. This guy is hilarious.

>>138763638
Just relatively short, easy to understand, easy to reference, takes you far enough to start reading, etc.

Give Japanese: The Manga Way a shot if you're not liking Tae Kim. It should take you to around the same level, but it's longer and has romaji in it.

>>138763696

Sorry, I don't know why but it really annoyed the fuck out of me. Those and other passive aggressive things so far have made me realize that the author REALLY has it out for the more standard theories on Japanese linguistics.

>>138763785

>has romaji in it

Yeah, I gave up J: TMY shortly after noticing that.

Going back to Tae Kim.

>>138763828
Disregarding good grammar resources because they use romaji is the most petty bullshit you can do man

>>138763828
To be fair, the DoBJG has romaji in it too, so that doesn't really make it a bad resource even if it's an annoying flaw, you just have to try not to rely on the romaji.

>>138758169

An output based game could be fun and useful.

>adventure/puzzle game
>play as a native English speaking dude stuck in a village where people only speak Japanese (could be a fantasy world, could be IRL Japan)
>need to figure out what the mcguffin to solve the problem is, find it, and use it
>existence, location, and use are obscured in such a way that it's basically impossible to figure out unless it's explained to you
>explanation comes from villagers, whom you need to communicate with in order to solve the game's puzzles
>villagers are dumb as fuck, and will only understand you if you communicate naturally (acceptable break from reality for the sake of learning)
>game contains some guidance in English (i.e. grammar hints, reminders of what words hold what nuance, etc.) to help you along, in the form of the protagonist remembering what he's learned
>have to type your answers, so that you're not just hitting things randomly until you get it right

If I were proficient at Japanese, I'd make this game. Preferably with oversight from a 国語 professor.

>>138763905
romaji automatically means the person has no idea what they are doing and should be disregarded

this is what people actually think and thats why you have people who know a bunch of vocab but cant use any of it to construct a few sentences that are connected to each other

dont be a guy who settles for being able to spot vocab in text without understanding how the sentences work and you just rewrite the grammar to english in your head willy nilly

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>>138764151

>>138764151
Blah blah dude. It's just a fact good grammar sources sometimes deign to use romaji. The end. You're not going to end up a permanent failure in Japanese because a grammar resource you used had romaji.
>romaji automatically means the person has no idea what they are doing and should be disregarded
The Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar uses romaji and was written by two native Japanese professors of linguistics.

>>138764151

not sure what side you're supporting

>>138764266
did i need to use green text or something? the first line was sarcastic and made clear at the start of the second line

>>138764276
im pro-learn functional japanese

>>138764468
I said "blah blah" because I didn't read your post past the first line.

This is a bit off-topic here, but here are some kanji resources anons may have missed

>RTK Reconstructed (keyword+radical breakdown -> kanji)
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1672767733
Instead of ridiculous mnemonics that are often harder to remember than the kanji themselves, learn only the absolute essentials. Using the meaning, and the radicals, draw the kanji.

When kanji become Mature, nail them home by learning vocab that uses them.

In essence, it's the "vocab" approach, except with a warm-up period for each kanji. Also unlike Heisig, there is no defined "order" (you can filter by the kanji in your media if you want).

>Kodansha Learner's Course
It's a book that I think also shits on Heisig pretty hard. You're gonna pay $25 though. The main idea is to learn the meaning of kanij, a mnemonic/story, and at least 1 vocab that uses it. It's still pretty new but I think this will eventually become a new standard recommendation.

>>138764488
so why post blah blah kun

>>138764591
I'm sure if you read my response you'll get an idea

>>138764553
KLC has been talked about multiple times here though.

>>138764638
i read it and clarified it to you which you then replied to by saying you didnt read the post you replied to in the first place

your story doesnt add up dude and on top of that id venture to say you fancy the taste of dick

>>138764468

>im pro-learn functional japanese

Can you go more into this? What is your method?

>>138760140
I sometimes feel like 300 just isn't enough for the day and accidentally do another 100 new words just to satisfy myself.

>>138760140

If you do 30 new words per day, this will become a regular occurrence.

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>易しい is so rare it requires furigana

>>138754221
Actually bretty good, thanks

>>138754221

>successful language learning is connected to lots of reading

>read a lot
>eyes inevitably get damaged, which necessitates the use of glasses or contacts so that you can continue reading

Yes, bookworms do tend to damage their eyes.

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>>138763236
>trying to kill part of the board's culture

>>138765077
its no more complicated than just utilizing the wealth of self study resources out there, some of which are in the op, as well as getting as much immersion as you can with regards to human interaction, on or offline

time spent with people who can generate casual and correct japanese who can then also give you feedback in realtime is more valuable than anything else, though you still need to invest a lot of time into self study with text resources and exercises to have a good balance

i can tell you how to make japanese friends other than youre on the internet and you have reach and access to much more things and people than youre aware of

>>138765394
No, that's literally off-topic shitposting, even if it's /a/ related. Again, go to the /qa/ thread if you want to dispute this with people.

>walk a trail every other day for exercise
>very popular trail
>Japanese people are actually a relatively common sight on this trail
>I can tell that they're Japanese because I can understand what they're saying

I really need to approach some of them one of these days.

>>138765621
Assuming you aren't in Japan, take this chance and call them filthy gaijins

>>138765401
Wow, very innovative. Thanks for sharing, Jamal.

>>138765621
Ask them if they masturbate to loli nukige and if they're looking forward to まいてつ's release. They'll definitely want to talk to you then.

On a related note, has anyone here actually read Monobeno? How does it rate on that 1-5 chart that gets posted frequently?

>>138765401
How do you make cute Japanese friends?
Do i gotta show them my superior nip skills?
Poetry and shit.

>>138765872
>frequently
I haven't seen this thing once.

>>138765621
they could die before tomorrow and youll never see them again and be really sad that you didnt act sooner

i met some japanese tourists at an amusement park while on vacation and ended up hanging out with them for most of the rest of the time i was there, effectively ditching the rest of my friends

i even talk to them online sometimes still

making new friends is tops

>>138765854
sorry you get what you pay for

also youre gay dude and im actually going to press the report button on your post because youve slipped. its a slow day i know

>>138765927
sorry i meant to say i cant help you make friends it was just a typo 申し訳ありません

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>>138765971
It was very very recent and probably has a lot of room for improvement, but is decent enough. If some experienced anon wants to he can probably make a better one that's 1-10 and gives more examples.

>>138765560
I only go to /qa/ to shitpost, that's all that retarded board is good for.
Now fuck off.

>>138765777

I'd be looking to make friends, not act like an obnoxious autist. That wouldn't be any more pleasant to hear than going to Japan and hearing someone say "filthy foreigner" in English, joking or not.


>>138765872

I know that you're kidding, but-

>talking about sexual fetishes

This is the one topic that you absolutely do not bring up, even around close friends, unless it's extremely vanilla and tame.


>>138765976

It's not just one family. I've seen a few groups. Some of those lone Asians might also be Japanese.

Pretty surprising, honestly. There also lots of Japanese restaurants ran by native Japanese with Japanese patrons.

I might wait until I lose some weight so that at least my first impression isn't "weird chubby autist who approached out of the blue". /fit/ people naturally come across as a bit more socially adept. At least I'm not as white as a ghost anymore.

>>138766107
nitroplus, crankin out high lit since '96

i dont think anyone with real creds to categorize vns will ever do it so its probably a fools endeavor from the start

i think it would be better to say that all adult content vns (and nearly all vns in general) are something you should stay away from until you can read the equivalent of some young adults literature which are for more mainstream audiences

so you should probably shift all those vns over to start at 5 so they are sufficiently far away from yotsubato, and then edit those and go from there

>>138766442
Are they really that hard? Or are upper difficulty VNs just not that much more difficult than lower/medium difficulty VNs aside from vocab and kanji? I didn't really get the impression they were that hard jumping straight from the 2nd volume of Yotsuba into Flyable Heart (which is around the same level as Fureraba). The beginning sucked, but I still understood almost all of it and was reading at a comfortable pace by the time I was almost done with the common route.

Or did I just get taken along for a ruse cruise?

>>138766442
Can 5 even properly judge it then? Maybe a system of 10?

>>138766210
>I might wait until I lose some weight so that at least my first impression isn't "weird chubby autist who approached out of the blue"

i mean even if youre skinny you can run into this problem. approaching a family is probably a little weird but why not just be like hey i run this trail a lot maybe you guys have seen me but do you mind if we talk a little bit? im learning japanese and i dont get many opportunities to talk to people. tell them youre learning just purely as a hobby if thats the reason to enjoy various media. japan does have the 2nd largest music industry in the world so its reason enough

if things go well you could have new people to talk to when you go out a few times a week. if they tell you to fuck off then thats that and its not like they are gonna kill you

>>138766654
10 would be better if it's having a VN for each piece number and not just adding some more examples for each number. the jump to each number does seem fairly big, though.

>>138766582
i mean heres the thing. theres reading words on a page and theres understanding what the writer is trying to say

vns are riddled with tons of cultural in jokes, references, net culture in jokes (note this is not the same thing as memes), and the list goes on. its an entertainment medium for jaded adults for the most part and this is reflected in writing quite a bit

saying you shouldnt read them until you can do x is wrong but it is true that theres going to be much reduced takeaway value for you if you havent been reading and in the mix so to speak for long

>>138766654
i dont really advocate having a number rating system for titles by difficulty because i think thats actually pretty subjective. adult level reading is adult level reading across the board when it comes to literature. theres stuff out there about unique kanji in a title and whatnot and i think thats also not particularly great at telling you anything

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>>138765976
Sorry, it's just your advice was so generic ("Study hard, and also, make friends who can help you learn Japanese!") after all the airs you've been putting on.

>Someone didn't like my advice. Time to report him to the mods!
流石Jamal. Why not fuck off to reddit if that's the kind of site you want?

>>138763136
Yes Obergruppenführer. I'll be sure to tell others to completely avoid these threads.

>>138766442
How does nitroplus do it? They are always good. It makes no sense.

>>138757292
oldfag-newfag hybrid reporting in

>>138766731

>i mean even if youre skinny you can run into this problem.

Less so, though.

My whole body right now undoubtedly screams "not healthy". I'm walking, not running, because I'd quickly vomit if I didn't build up some stamina first. Even walking leaves me sore. My posture is probably poor, too. It's about more than just weight (my weight is just a bit above average; noticeably chubby, but not obese).

When you're around unhealthy people, your inclination is that you want to get away from them. Maybe it's a survival instinct thing or something. Either way, I'd rather not lose people who could be valuable friends in a few months on account of having approached them too early.

>>138767098
and im thankful for every fan that i get but i cant take a shit in the bathroom without someone standing by it

no i wont sign your autograph you can call me an asshole im glad

or maybe i should quote stan since youre one of my bigger fans

also re all that other shit そこまで言ってねぇ

私は毎日日本語を話します
Is this grammatically correct?

>>138765621
Old people or young people?

>>138767428

Both

>>138767327
the second part of that sounds incredibly like some kind of weird stalker from a movie or something

i know your intentions are probably good but thats real sociopath shit. youre not gonna lose people because youre fat

>>138767409
Grammaticaly yes. Whether people would say that or not is something else.

>>138767409
No.

>>138767409
yea. good job keep it up

Hey lads, I won't have computer access for a while. Am I doomed to come back to a mountain of anki repetitions? I don't want to return and see a few thousands of repetitions.

I'm scared it will make me abandon anki altogether ;_;

>>138767511
Just doing exercises, original text was "I speak Japanese everyday". I just want to check because I have trouble with particles and wasnt sure how to phrase this one


>>138767514
Why?

>>138767528
i cant tell if this is sarcasm

>>138767534
Do you not have a phone or something? If not, then yeah you're probably screwed. Just deal with the mountain of reps when you come back, it's better than starting over.

>>138767534
I was going to say fearing reps is ridiculous, but then I realized I'm not really sure why you fear reps.

Is it because of how long it'll take you to finish them? Are you on a time limit?

As far as I'm aware, there shouldn't be and therefore you can just take it slow and as long as it takes to finish all those reps. There's no need to rush. It's not like they go away forever. If you wanted to go away, you could just delete the cards.

>>138767030
Most people who read VNs to learn vocab/grammar are unlikely to tackle anything anywhere near Urobuchi or Narahara in a very long time. Moege is king as far as early exposure goes. 100% comprehension is hardly necessary.

>>138767790
I'll translate manga with my 75% comprehension.

>>138767534
yes, so you should try to at least do your reviews on your phone/anki web if you can. if you can't, when you come back just set a review cap until you get through the backlog.

>>138765872
>On a related note, has anyone here actually read Monobeno? How does it rate on that 1-5 chart that gets posted frequently?
I gave it a 2.6 or so, although bear in mind some parts are extremely easy (literally little children tier) and some parts are ridiculously difficult super-ancient remote mountain accent.

>>138767458

It's just reality.

70% of our communication is non-spoken. Health and physique effects one's body movements significantly. If a healthy guy with good posture and good strong muscles and organs puts his hands in his pockets and looks off somewhere, it communicates a different message to onlookers than if a fat guy with poor posture and weak muscles and organs puts his hands in his pockets and looks off somewhere. The former message is undoubtedly a more positive one to view as an outsider. The only way to give off the former message is to make one's body healthy.

It effects our verbal communication, as well. One's weight both influence's one's voice and their ability to speak without losing their breath, which has a direct effect one one's charisma.

No matter how much political correctness attempts to make fat people bashing off limits, this is ingrained in us on an instinctual level. Attempting to reject it will only result in a cognitive dissonance and a series of double standards that will make you unhappy.

>>138766582
Moege are often easier than video games or LNs. Everything is on a case by case basis.

Things like Oretsuba and Muramasa are leagues above your average moege in difficulty. But usually it's vocabulary that is a problem and not so much grammar.

>>138766107
This is hilariously inaccurate and superficial. I don't understand why you think assigning arbitrary numbers to eroge while making use of a 'Yotsuba to Classical Japanese' scale is going to help anybody.

People interpret game difficulty differently. What could be a pitfall for you is not necessarily a pitfall for another person. If you actually want to make something useful, then compile a list of games you've already read and write about potential things that can be troublesome for readers to deal with.

And before you say this: Yes, Muramasa is more difficult than the average eroge - But there's no point unless you elaborate on what's difficult and point out solutions to tackling these problems.

Just scrap the list dude.

>>138767309
Nothing great since Muramasa and that was like 7 years ago. They pretty much switched to anime and Sonico fanservice.

I just applied a style that someone posted a few threads back and now I'm missing the example sentences in Japanese (the translation is below an empty space). How do I fix this?

>>138767409
It looks solid. But most if not all japanese speakers would omit the "私は" since it's obvious you're talking about yourself.

>>138767936
At least they crapped out a Phantom of Inferno remake without MS Paint art. Urobuchi's script is mostly intact.

>>138768122
>But most if not all japanese speakers would omit the "私は" since it's obvious you're talking about yourself.

Depends on context and you wouldn't start a conversation like that to begin with.

>>138768135

PoI is horrible. The last act is a complete trainwreck that disregards prior characterization (Ein's development from a killing machine to a normal girl) and plot points (Inferno not having so little activity that they can waste resources on a couple of runaways), and devolves into a complete idiot plot that only plays out like it does because there would be no conflict if the characters were in-character. It's the second-worst VN that I've read, behind ONE.

The only Urobutcher work that I've liked is Gargantia.

Automatic audio added to cards with rikai is a thing right?

>>138768304

Are you so lazy that you can't look at the setting for rikai auto-import?

>>138768289
Pshh SnU spore end was great

http://rocketnews24.com/2016/03/17/725018/

There's two lines uncertain of in this. Please help.

「命に対する冒とく」などの批判が殺到し、作品の作者は受賞を辞退すると共に、同センターが最優秀賞の該当作品なしとすることを決定した。他の受賞作品を見てみると……。いずれも美しいオホーツクの景色をとらえており、これらの作品が素晴らしいと話題を呼んでいる。改めて、なぜクジラに乗った作品が最優秀だったのか？　と疑問の声が挙がっている。

1st point of confusion:

同センターが最優秀賞の該当作品なしとすることを決定した

Waves of comments like "Disrespectful towards life" etc came in, the creator of the piece refused the prize, and correspondingly the center decided there was no winner."

2nd:

これらの作品が素晴らしいと話題を呼んでいる

"Looking at the other entries, sure enough pictures of beautiful oshkosh landscapes, these became a wonderful topic".

>>138768289
This depends on whether you played one of the windows versions or that shitty DVD game. The translation was literally butchered. Not only was 75% of the actual dialog cut, but what little was left in that version, only half of was translated by the clowns who localized it.

Where should I learn onomatopoeias? I never have any idea what half of them are supposed to mean when reading manga.

>>138768420
>死がい
>冒とく
man fuck news

>>138768443

It was the DVD game.

Still, I couldn't see Act 3 not being complete garbage. The conflict only happened as it did because the protagonist refused to say anything that wasn't completely callous to Cal, even while he was basically pissing himself with joy and relief in his monologue. There was no reason for him not to say anything, either, because breaking out of the cold assassin bullshit was basically the whole point behind his actions throughout the story. If he were acting in-character, the first thing that he would have done was tell Cal how overjoyed he was to see her alive (who was basically begging him to tell her that she was wrong), and there would have been no fight between the two. The three person team would have gone and shot the antagonist together, and that would have been the end of it. Instead, all he ever did was say "Cal..." and seemingly do everything in his power to guide the dialogue towards a shootout.

>>138768355
I have it set up so it does everywhere, but it show's as text on my cards.

>>138768862

You need to add the "[sound:] thing in manually, as far as I know.

Look at Core 6k cards for an example.

>>138768896
>>138768862
>You need to add the "[sound:] thing in manually
No you don't, you just set the tag in Rikai's settings as [sound:$a] instead of just $a

>>138768896
>>138768956
How was I supposed to know this?

>>138768956

Well, shit.

I guess I'll delete all of the cards that I haven't changed manually yet. That shit's a ridiculous timesink when you're dealing thousands of cards.


>>138769055

With the $a, it's listed right in the options for auto-import.

I'm not sure how you were supposed to know that adding [sound:] would add that into the field, though.

>>138769055
Didn't mean it in a hostile way if that's how it came across, my bad. I figured it out by looking at other cards that had audio and seeing what would happen if I changed $a to [sound:$a] and it worked. If you meant how to know about [sound:], outside of looking at decks that have working audio, the Anki manual mentions it.

>>138769118
That shit's a ridiculous timesink when you're dealing thousands of cards.
You could export the deck into a spreadsheet and add [sound: to the beginning of the cell for the column and add ] to the end of the cell and then import that back into anki to update all of your notes.

How you do that will vary depending on the spreadsheet program you use (could probably just use the =CONCATENATE formula in excel and then copy the data in that new column over the old column or something), but if you actually have audio saved for all of your cards already and it just isn't working because the field just doesn't have the [sound:] thing, it'd save you a lot of time.

>>138768046

for me, I had the same problem, so I just deleted the deck and reinstalled it because I only just barely started doing 2k/6k anyway

>>138768046
Make a new user on Anki, import a fresh version of the deck, copy the front/styling/back there, switch back to the main user, and replace the front/styling/back with the one you just copied from the fresh deck.

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>>138768289
I've never seen anyone else ever mention ONE. I liked the blind and mute girls, but I was really uncomfortable when it got to the sex scenes with the retarded girl.

>>138769379
I am *literally* an Aurelia aurita.

>>138769118
I think you can just change your card template instead. Haven't tested it, but it probably works.

Change {{Audio}} to [sound:{{Audio}}]

>>138769379
Live in Japan myself, so no.

>>138769319

It was relatively popular on /jp/ a few years ago, IIRC.

The only thing that I remember positively about it was the tsundere bullying.


>>138769260

I don't have excel right now.

I'll just start from scratch. It doesn't bother me all that much. I haven't reached my mining decks yet, and it's all bound to come back around sooner or later.

>>138769459

Scratch that, changing the import settings just changed all of the entries to [sound:$a].

That's pretty awesome.

>>138769379
But can you read Muramasa? No?

>>138769534
>Muramasa
is that a book or something? maybe, depending on if it uses normal Japanese or some old ass ancient jidaigeki dialect

>>138769504
its been 5 years nigger put a ring on it

>>138769443
Oh nice, this works too.

>>138769520

...Or not. I thought I looked at a few spots on the list. Dammit, that got my hopes up.


>>138769443

This worked.

>>138769602
actually I've only known her for a few months

I started learning Japanese from 0 in 2011. I only recently went to Japan for a long term stay.

If we're still togehter in 5 years, yeah

>>138769595
It's powerpoint porn.

>>138767929
No, you are wrong.
Sure, a carefully written up description of the kind of language used and what possible difficulties you might encounter for every VN would be more useful, but realistically that's never going to happen. With that in mind, a number capable of comparing different VNs is extremely convenient to have.
What do you mean by solutions to tackling these problems? The solution is simply to read easier stuff and work your way up until you reach the difficult stuff. To do this, you need a standard of comparison so you don't end up reading something difficult before something easy, and a scale such as this works very well.
tl;dr beginners should start with easy stuff and slowly raise the difficulty; for that purpose, this scale is useful.

>>138768562
When you encounter them, use jisho.org, your cellphone's dictionary, or just contexts. That's what everybody does I think.

Which one of you cunts killed jisho again?

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All for you baby, all for you...

>>138769630

I've got my problem solved.

My mined decks actually just used the Core 6k format. I cloned the Core 6k's "Japanese" format with a new card type: Japanese Mined. I changed the card type for cards that don't have the audio added to Japanese Mined, and added [sound:] around {{Vocabulary-Audio}}.

Is it possible to use past tense midway in a Japanese sentence or must you always use a ーて structure?

For example:

1. Jones always showers then sleeps.

1.1ジョンーズさんはいつもショーワを浴びたから寝る。
1.2ジョンーズさんはいつもショーワを浴びてから寝る。

>>138770081
> japanese women arent corrupted by feminism to hate men and think they're held back by men.
hahaha. true this. thank god for yamato nadeshiko ideal, forever grateful.

>>138769876
出来るアノンくん！

>>138770167
Why does anime always depict them treating men as beasts then

男の娘 = おとこのこ
What the fuck?

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>>138770268
I-I haven't figured out all of Hiragana yet. I'm only just starting. Once I figure out Hiragana I'll read through Genki 1.
>The only time I'd unironically say I'm triggered is by nail gore
>Using tofugu to study Hiragana
>This is the mnemonic for 'te'
I-I can prevail, FOR DRAGON QUEST.

>>138770081
I've heard girls will leave you if you aren't intimate enough.

Do you got to tease and flirt with them in Japanese or is there more to it?

>>138770418
Dragon Quest was pretty difficult for me to read at 2k vocab under me.

>>138770418
to

>>138770418
>te
出来ない

>>138770501
I heard it was easy since it's a game that children have to enjoy too.
>>138770504
I accidentally read the entry above 'to'. I'm only at my S constants right now.

Great Japanese thread.

>>138769319
One is the only visual novel I have ever played (aside from Flyable Heart, which I'm mining from right now). And I kind of liked it. Only got to fuck with the blonde braided girl though

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>>138771157
People masturbate to this art style?

>>138769774
>realistically that's never going to happen

It'll never happen if you waste your time with assigning VNs with arbitrary numbers, yes.

>What do you mean by solutions to tackling these problems? The solution is simply to read easier stuff and work your way up until you reach the difficult stuff.

Looking at what specifically hinders you while you read and solving the issue. No amount of VNs that you'll read is going to fully prepare you for something like Oretsuba or Dies Irae and you're going to have to be figuring it out on the spot while you read it.

>To do this, you need a standard of comparison so you don't end up reading something difficult before something easy

Like I keep saying, arbitrary numbers don't say anything about the game that you're reading. What exactly can I infer about it besides some how supposedly difficult some anonymous person felt about the game in relation to whatever he read? It doesn't tell me anything concrete about WHAT somebody can have trouble with.

If you want to go with your own inaccurate chart then by all means. Don't deceive beginners into thinking that they'll be successful so long as they follow it when the notion of difficulty is so subjectively applied in the first place.

http://www.dlsite.com/soft/circle/report/=/report/2016020511

Anybody have a link to this game? I can't find it on sukebei.

>>138771254
Shit. Didn't realize how bad it looks back then.
But yeah, I did.

>>138771262
>It'll never happen if you waste your time with assigning VNs with arbitrary numbers, yes.
No, it'll never happen regardless. Look at how many VN difficulty descriptions we have in the reading list, and that's been around for years. People just don't have the time or desire to make detailed, useful write-ups, so this is the best we're going to get.

>Looking at what specifically hinders you while you read and solving the issue.
This clarifies nothing without specifying what you mean by "solving the issue". The best way is to read something easier and work up. If the next thing you read is always slightly more difficult than the last one, you'll never be overwhelmed, and you'll eventually reach the highest tier.

>What exactly can I infer about it besides some how supposedly difficult some anonymous person felt about the game in relation to whatever he read? It doesn't tell me anything concrete about WHAT somebody can have trouble with.
No, it doesn't, nor does it claim to. Its job is to provide a way to compare VNs by difficulty, not anything else.

>Don't deceive beginners into thinking that they'll be successful so long as they follow it when the notion of difficulty is so subjectively applied in the first place.
But they will be. Or are you saying a beginner should start with VN of difficulty >3? No, of course not, a beginner should start with a VN of Hanahira-tier difficulty, when completed, move up to Fureraba-tier difficulty, and so on and so forth. Which is exactly what the chart offers.

>>138767596
>sarcasm
it kind of was mostly because it looks like something spit of out google translate but its still a thing you can say so dont worry

>>138768420
i have no real complaints about how you interpret #1

#2 is mostly fine just with 話題を呼んでいる youd probably want to say something like "well received" instead of "wonderful topic"

>>138770022
theres no consistency rule that everything in a sentence has to match a tense like in english so you can say something like ディックスマックさんはシャワーを浴びた後にいつも寝ます

>>138771254
build it and they will come (jizz)

>>138771296
buy the game asshole

>>138771296
Doesn't seem to be uploaded anywhere yet. Just a "survival kit" on nyaa to remove the DRM and some other stuff. It's only 500 yen though.

>>138771254
I can't say for sure, but I don't think I fapped to ONE at all. I wish I could remember why I even read it in the first place.

>>138771254
I never fap to VNs regardless of art quality. Some of those newer 1080p VNs with awesome art might get me hard, though. Still not touching my dick while reading.

>>138771756
honestly i just cut my dick off with a daikatana to ensure i become a 魔法使い and also never do オナニー again

>>138771889
ええ。。。刀がいいですか？(｡ŏ﹏ŏ)

>>138771927
>(｡ŏ﹏ŏ)
KAWAIIすぎるふふふ

>>138771889
Famicom, I still pleasure myself, just not with my hands. I usually perform autofellatio while reading VNs. Mostly because I have a fucking huge dick. I edged this way for 55 hours while reading Muramasa.

>>138772012
(´-﹏-`；)革ゐゐ(´°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥ω°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥｀)

>>138771927
切るなら

>>138772013
i guess youre pretty good at sucking dick now

ゑＦＵＬＬＬＩＱＵＩＤＭＥＴＡＬＡＲＭＯＵＲＥＤＭＵＲＡＭＡＳＡＥＡＴＥＲゑ

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おはようおにいちゃん

きょうのれっとうはぜんこくてきに

はるほんばんで

交通事故が多発してるよ

りゆうはわかるよね

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>>138772399
>15:53 JST
>おはよう

>>138772422
Neet life dawg

>>138772422
黒人付けないで

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Dam son

>>138771889
>daikatana
>cutting your dick off with a kusoge

>>138772692
満点
ビックリ

At what proficiency level (N5-N1) is it possible to follow some simpler manga like Doreamon or early Dragonball?

>>138772936
if you know 1 or 2 words and can get some of your poop in the toilet (not all) you can read those mangas

n5

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>>138762252

>>138772936
What the fuck? You can just jump right into reading once you feel confident enough. The JLPT exists to prove to employers that you know your shit, not to prove to yourself that you can read doraemon

>>138773027
>40% correct
what are you doing anon?

>>138773069
I anki while I watch TV.

>>138773079
That's not how you should use Anki

>>138773027
>>138773079
時間つぶしみたい

何か分かったのか

>>138773079
>watching tv

>>138772936

Honestly, you can't read anything without ever having to stop until your vocab is 10k+ and your understanding of grammar is solid.

N1 is basically the "good for you, you can now hold a comfortable conversation so long as the topic isn't too specialized" line. In other words, fluency.

Don't wait until then to start reading, though. Reading is a large part of what will get you over that line.


>>138773033

>"At what proficiency level (N5-N1) is it possible to follow some simpler manga like Doreamon or early Dragonball?"
>Huh, I don't get this at all.
>He must be assuming that passing the N2 will grant him a license from the Shinto pantheon which allow him to understand native materials up to N2 level.
>What a dumbass. How could anyone be this stupid?

How autistic are you?

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>>138773079
失礼です。ダイ・フォア・ディック

>>138773344
His post literally said which JLPT level would he be able to read doraemon. It's exactly what he's thinking. I think the retard here is you.

>>138773344
>>138773407
come on dont flame each other over a troll post. its just not worth it boys

>>138773469
No seriously, you might not see it here, but I've seen a lot of people especially beginners associate the JLPT as a milestone they have to reach in order to start reading something. To them the JLPT is a means to an end which is the opposite of what it should be.

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惣菜パンって

なんていったらつうじるの

おねがいおしえておにいちゃん

>>138773407

An inability to see through the literal to the abstract meaning beneath is a medical sign of autism, and the single largest shortcoming that turns autists who don't adjust properly into walking social trainwrecks.

He's asking about the levels that the JLPT represents. For example, at 3500 words and 1k kanji, or at the level tested by JLPT N3 level (too lazy to look up the exact number, and don't have them memorized off hand, but we'll say that this is what's tested by JLPT N3; it's kind of irrelevant to the point), would he be able to read Dragonball without having to stop and look things up? That's what he's asking.

To which the answer is, of course, no. A native third grader could easily pass the JLPT N1, and even works of fiction aimed at kids assume that you know that much.

>>138773536
as much as i love to shit on jlpt in the face of those who revere it in that kind of way, if theres people that dont have enough curiosity to crack something open and look at it themselves they dont want it bad enough so who cares if they stand in their own way with self imposed boundaries

>>138773614
炭水化物ダメ

>>138773735
similar to the beginning of this post if someone is foolish enough to think being able to pass a test means youre ready for all the possibilities in the language, they deserve every bit of the bitter truth they will inevitably find

youre speaking to a point that isnt useful to someone whole heartedly trying to learn japanese, as it turns out, because the people really trying already know

>>138773735
>A native third grader could easily pass the JLPT N1

No.

How do I learn all the kahnjees?

>>138774078
watch anime

i am shit at yapanese です

>>138774057
Just to play devil's advocate, some children do cram school really early and definitely could, not the common third grader though. My current gf passed the level 1 kanji kentei at 7 years old. She forgot basically all of it though, lmao.

>>138774156
>My current gf passed the level 1 kanji kentei at 7 years old
>Tests the ability to read and write all 6355 kanji in levels 1 and 2 of JIS X 0208, with their on readings and kun readings

No, she didn't.

>>138773955

>similar to the beginning of this post if someone is foolish enough to think being able to pass a test means youre ready for all the possibilities in the language, they deserve every bit of the bitter truth they will inevitably find

Common sense is grown from observation and experience. Foreign language learning is not a matter of common sense to someone who's neither lived around foreign language learning nor partaken in it himself. Why do people fall into the trap of just going through grammar guides, dumb CDs, and vocabulary lists for years on end? It sound stupid to us, of course, but to someone who doesn't know where to begin, "use learning materials to reach fluency" sounds like a solid course of action.

How would you have any way of knowing, as a complete beginner, that 6000 words is nothing? I mean, you can probably figure out that you know more than 6000 words in your native tongue, but how much of your total vocabulary makes up everyday speech, and how much just sits dormant for years on end? You wouldn't normally think about it. Kanji count is even worse, because it's a completely foreign thing to a native English speaker.

The idea that a higher level proficiency test will indicate a high level of knowledge, again, sounds pretty solid when you don't have the knowledge base to know otherwise. Of course, anyone who's gotten up to N2 level knows that N2 is not enough.


>>138774057

Maybe on account of kanji, but they'd be fine with the vocab and grammar knowledge. That's okay, though, they'll be up to snuff on the kanji within a few years, too.

>But in school...

School isn't the only place where natives learn kanji.

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おにいちゃん

すき

>>138773955
おにぎりあげゆ

>>138774242
Her parents made her start at 3 years old, she did

>>138774278
気持ちは嬉しいですけど、ごめんね。
僕たちは兄弟ですよ。
恋愛は禁止。
でもイモウトのことが好きです、兄として。
いつかあなたはいい嫁さんになる。
多分。

>>138774305
The record for the youngest person to pass it is 10 years old. No, she didn't. Find me one site that says a 7 year old passed and I'll believe you.

so i posted yesterday and im looking to get into sophia university for their beginner language course

anyone have any experience with it?

>>138774278
ご飯もng
遠慮しておこう

>>138774802
My friend got beat up by their students. In a kendo match.

ヲレ和電光、雨ヲ変ジタがゐル。
༼ヱ༽▬▬ι═══════ﺤ

yo
if i'm having lots of trouble with some vocab word in the core deck, and i feel like perhaps it's because it's something very uninteresting to me, and that otherwise it would be fairly easy, would it be productive to just mark it as a leech myself?
or would that just be taking it too far for my own convenience and perhaps be a detrimental attitude to have?

>>138775629
go for it
if they're truly common words you'll see them often in texts anyway

>>138775629
As a beginner it's impossible to judge whether you should mark it as leech so I would suggest you leave it to Anki's default leech settings. Also ignore all 'if u leech ur a pussy boku fag' replies you're gonna get

>Tfw you get so used to Japanese that you start remembering new vocab as easily as you'd be able to remember new English vocab

Feels good man

>著名
>署名

>>138775751
How long did it take to get to that level?

>>138775797
He's definitely exaggerating

>>138775751
I understand that feeling. Also, understanding a word you see for the first time only by the parts it combines. Feels great.

>>138775751
I struggle to remember weird English words sometimes

>>138775797
Over 3 years, I wasn't serious about learning at all for the first year or so though

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