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Is he still right?

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Is he still right?
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>>135614280
No. Iron Blood Orphans is good sci-ft.
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There is very little scifi being produced anywhere. Scifi is one of the most challenging genres.
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He's not wrong
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>>135614280
I'm offended that you would even entertain the idea of a wife-beater being right.
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>>135614492
This

There should be no doubt he is right. period.
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>>135614492
>I'm offended
>He hit women so his opinion doesn't matter

Sure is tumblr in here.
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>putting the blame on moe when mecha is the number one reason for the complete creative bankruptcy of sci-fi anime
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Literally who?
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STOP LIKING THE WRONG THINGS!!!
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he's not unless you believe in stupid shit like realistic sci fi
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>>135614361
Bravo Nolan!
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>>135614280
Didn't this faggot get arrested recently?
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>>135614280
Mardock Scramble is trash.
He only has himself to blame for making turd. It is not that scifi isn't produced but what the scifi that they are making are turning off the masses.
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>>135615193
This. His only good stuff is Fafner and Chevalier d'Eon.
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>>135615144
My favourite recent scifi movie is and remains Moon. But I haven't really remained up-to-date.
Are you saying Nolan has made good science fiction?
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>>135614346
Top lele m8
G-Reco was more sci-fi than IBSHIT
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>>135615376
Have you watched Ex Machina? It's pretty good too.
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>>135614492
Being an asshole doesn't unqualify your opinion.
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>>135615470
Yes it does.
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>oh shit, my animu failed, better blame otaku and moe
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>>135615464
Downloading now.
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>>135615470

Generally yes it does. That's the world you live in buddy.
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>>135615193

I liked Mardock Scramble.

>>135615356

Fafner was average. Chevalier was decent.
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>I'm scared to try something because the current trend is moe.
Fuck off.
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>>135614280
>Mardock Scramble
He's right about his own work. It's moe, not scifi.
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Moe isn't even incompatible with sci-fi.
Sci-fi sets the setting, then you can populate that with cute girls doing cute things.
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>>135614492
There's nothing wrong with hitting or beating up a women

it's 2016, equality for all
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>>135615940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3cd9dLKF_A
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>>135615601
Explain Trump's popularity.
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>>135615921
Priorities.
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>>135615992
Trump wants to make a better world

he will make faggots and homosexual freak pay the price
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>>135615992
Old bigoted people are still alive.
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>>135616057
Spoken like a true cuck
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>>135616196
Spoken like a true classcuck
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>>135616057
>bigoted
Can't wait untill trumps get elected, we had enough of your "kind"
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>>135614280
I don't think moe is to blame, you can package any themes or ideas using moe. Eroge writers figured that out years ago.

The problem is that most themes in anime revolve around escapism and disregard everything else. Not to mention some nips view SF and Fantasy like a cosmetic change or a reskin without any impact on plot or characters. It's the same high-school setting now with Fantasy/SF reskin.

>>135615891
I hate Ubukata as much as the next guy, but he's an authority on SF. He has his own summit even.
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>>135615376
Interstellar was good.
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>>135614834
TOOMBLR?!?!
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>>135615921
There needs to be more Uchuu no Stellvia type of animu.
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>>135616196
I'm not your therapist, I don't get paid to deal with your psychosexual disorders that you need to bring into every political topic
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>>135616245
Visually, it's really great sci-fi. All the "love transcends space and time" shit made me puke.
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>>135616270
Pfft, spoken like a true Oldtype whose soul is still weighed down by gravity. I bet you can't even pull off a proper Inazuma Kick.
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You won't really find thought provoking sci-fi anywhere other than in literature. It's been always like that. Only in literature you can create an amazing world without any budgetary constraints.
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>>135614492
He was released without charge, tumblr.
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>>135616515
He's also publishing a story about his experience.
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>>135614280

>>135553738
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>>135616552
Didn't he already do that with mardock scramble?
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>>135615179
That guy is Go Nakanishi, not Tow, retard.
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>>135616203
>he thinks the class system is arbitrary
Class mobility is generational
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>>135616458
>budgetary constraints
You're kidding, right? Hollywood tends to blow at least half of its budget on special effects. Even if hard scifi tends not to sell much, there is enough rooms for such things.
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>>135616552
>the sudden explosion of pain in my fingers has etched itself into my memory. I say pain, but you must understand that there was nothing negative about it. The sensation was proof of my action, was a confirmation of my punch connecting, and that is how I interpreted it in that moment. I vividly remember (or have I fabricated it in my mind?) the way her head rocked to the side, with a wave of flesh rippling all over her face, an underlining of the punishment she had received from my hand. What a glorio... [click to read more]
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>>135616458
It's not the budget, it's that most people don't care about the difference between magic and science.
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>>135614280
Sci-Fi in general seems to be in flux. A good amount some year, little the next, etc., and not just in Japan. I don't think it has anything to do with moe. Unless the world gets Space-Race 2.0, I think it will go the way of Cowboy films for a while eventually. Our world has gotten technologically advanced to the point where new tech is mostly just improvements on old tech, nothing like when Sci-Fi was born as a genre when they were just starting to make sense of electricity, or when the Space-Race started and revolutionary tech changed people's very lives.

Luckily people like Nihei are around to keep the vision alive.
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>>135616724
No there isn't. Hollywood targets all their movies at popcorn munching mouth breathers. It's all business where you aim at lowest common denominator.

Not to mention you can't really put that much info dumping in a 120min movie compared to a book. Imagine making a Red Mars movie and spending 30min explaining Mars clock and calendar.

>>135616770
Probably because your average person isn't very smart.
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>>135616724
>Hollywood tends to blow at least half of its budget on special effects
You mean advertising. It's sad but that's where a lot of the money goes, not into special effects.
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>should we make a new sci-fi anime?
>no, let's just sit around and complain about "moe"
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>>135616825
>new tech is mostly just improvements on old tech
It's always been like this, you moron.
>living in a time of unprecedented scientific and technological advancement
>doesn't realize it
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>>135616910
With what money? They won't give you a decent budget for something unsafe.

Series like Planetes are complete anomalies.
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>>135616825
>nihei
>penis worm
>cute girl getting a dick
Hahahahahahaha.
Good one.

I hate to say it but muv luv is saving the sci fi genre with their quantum mechanics theory when they are not busy making shitty spinoff.
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>>135614280
What does he mean by "authentic sci-fi"? Is he talking about hard sci-fi?
I don't think that was ever common.
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>>135614280

He was never right. In fact, Japanese science fiction has the most unique variety in the 21st century. No other region flaunts scifi mecha, cyberpunk, dystopia, ARG, mahou shoujo, shounen opera, or lightspeed war drama like Japan does and continues to do. Its Hollywood trying to buy out Japanese scifi properties to use in movies today, not the other way around.

He can be frustrated with the state of the industry being directed towards the otaku and the fujoshi, but that statement about science fiction is marketing hogwash.
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>complains about moe
>produces K, a show with tons of unnecessary otaku, fujoshi and loli fanservice
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>>135616910
When the new GiTS movie underperforms as fuck might not as well try.

>>135617129
He probably means sci-fi like GiTS and mardock.
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>>135617268
At least he's not a pussy, he can beat up his women good

we all should learn from him
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>>135614492
True. He's been always right from the moment he punched that bitch.
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>>135617268
>it sells well enough to get a second season
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The only reason I like old anime trends better is because we had loads of scifi AND cute girls.

These days its just over saturated shit or shows that are only scifi on some dumb superficial level.
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>>135616963
You're the moron. Things like Computers and Networks have revolutionized the world because they were brand new concepts that were only just being incubated around the early 1900s, if you don't count Babbage and Ada Lovelace.

I'm not saying we're not in a time of advancement, it's just that right now there aren't really any ideas that are revolutionary enough to change the very way we live like it had changed life from the 1950s onward.
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>>135617282
The new GiTS is trash.
It shouldn't even be mentioned next to the original GiTS or the laughing man/individual eleven arc.
The writers lost the plot.
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>>135617335
>Things like Computers
Started as better calculators - literally an improvement of already existing tech. That was how they worked. But they've been improved at an amazing rate that shows no signs of slowing down, even though people say it should.
Now you get smart phones which are such an insane idea that 50 years ago nobody even imagined it. They had flying cars in their scifi, and laser weapons, but nobody could imagine smart phones.
It's continuing.

You have no idea what you are talking about.
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>>135617432
Cell phones and portable computers were imagined 50 years ago.
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>>135617530
Portable phones are not the same as smart phones.
The computers of 1966 were still barely better than mechanical calculators. Most of the ones in public use didn't even have screens yet.
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>>135617630
Star Trek had an AI in a floating trunk sized AI. Granted, it was a failed prototype and tried to kill everyone.

The real difference is that every idiot has a portable computer now and they can use it to view any kind of porn they want.
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>>135617432
>Started as better calculators
I already mentioned Ada and Babbage. If you knew anything about the evolution of computers, you'd know how stupid you sound right now. A computer is a lot more than just a calculator. Go read anything on Alan Turing and you'll know how different his vision of a computer was from just a calculator.

>But they've been improved at an amazing rate that shows no signs of slowing down
Moore's Law is about to end unless someone introduces a replacement for silicon. Newer process nodes aren't working as intended either and are taking longer to perfect. It literally is slowing down.

>but nobody could imagine smart phones
But that's wrong retard. Tricorders in Star Trek were pretty much smartphones. This was in the fucking 60s.

I know exactly what I'm talking about, you're a fucking idiot. And I noticed how you didn't bother to even talk about Networks either. People in the field didn't even think Packet Switching as a concept was even possible, that's now radical it was for the time.
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>>135617679
>The real difference is that every idiot has a portable computer now
No.
Every idiot has a portable computer in one pocket (smart phones). Many have a second one on their bodies (google watch or music player or whatever), and some people have a third one in their bag (tablet or laptop), and a few geeks have yet another one at home (desktop). This excludes the car, and lots of other devices that each one of us uses in their daily lives. Computers are everywhere now, and they're about to become even more omnipresent when human car drivers become outlawed a few decades from now, when google glass is more than just a toy.
Things are changing, and they're changing fast.
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>>135617785
>when google glass is more than just a toy.
opinion fucking discarded.
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>people make movies, art, video games, and music knowing that sometimes it won't sell but it's the intent of making it that matters

>BUT MOE CULTURE IS RUINING EVERYTHING SO I CAN'T MAKE STUFF ;-;
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>>135617817
I thought I heard Google already has a new version that won't be shown to public yet.
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>>135617817
>>135617898
It's not about the version.
But once it's out for long enough, it will collect some practical purposes.
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>>135617898
Google's pet projects never really go anywhere. Project Ara won't go anywhere either.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but moe anime isn't even what sells the best in Japan, right? I know Love Live is popular but I see plenty of non-moe anime destroying the charts.
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>>135617930
>but I see plenty of non-moe anime destroying the charts.
But us a list so we can laugh at you. Hint: bishounen shit doesn't count as non-moe.
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>>135617848
>people make movies, art, video games, and music knowing that sometimes it won't sell
Not in Japan.
Elevens believe in safe investments, not wild cards that can go either way.
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>>135618192
Which is why doujin are a thing.
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>>135618192
>Elevens believe in safe investments, not wild cards that can go either way.
Sounds like most things today honestly.
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>>135618246
>Doujin anime
Good luck having someone air yours.
And sorry about all the pirated copies.
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>>135618381
>And sorry about all the pirated copies.
Stop it with the piracy hurts sales meme.
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>>135618381
Type-moon and 07h expansion both started out as doujin. Both of them have multiple official anime and manga right now.
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>>135618468
Yeah, and now all Type Moon does is put out more Fate/Mliking, and making anything else a side project.
Your point?
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>>135614361
Because we live in the future now.

Its not easy to build up some "20 years in future" settings because its not credible any more.

I mean in the 60s could think in 20 years they would live in the moon and in the 80s they could think in 2000s there would be the apocalypse, so they have material to work but now in 2016 there is nothing to look up in 20 years so its difficult to work on something.
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>>135616825
This is nonsense. Scale of improvements have had as much impact as new inventions like the internet. What computers can do now is far beyond what some of the original creatures could have imagined. How many of you used GPS 15 years ago? Telecommunications has had some revolutionary advances.
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>>135616260
>There needs to be more Uchuu no Stellvia type of animu.

Classroom Crisis could have been it!

;_;
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>>135614492
>"It's true that we quarelled but I didn't hit her"
Stay mad, Tumblr. Wife prolly added prosethetic make up to her face.

His opinion is wholly right, even if there were to announce a sci-fi anime, it'll basically boiled down to soft boil sci-fi and focus on the not technology aspects of it and focus on cute girls, doing cute things coz moe.
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>>135619245
From an interview back in 2010:

Q.夫婦円満の秘訣は?
A.徹底的にけんかすることです。

Q.どんなけんかをするのですか?
A.物がよく壊れます。

Q.今後書きたいテーマは?
A.暴力や行き過ぎ好奇心など人間の負の側面はいかにして克服されるのか? ということ。

Google translate:

Q. What is the secret of marital harmony ?
A. It is to thoroughly fight .

Q. do you any fight ?
A. thing is broken well .

Q. I want to write the next theme ?
A. whether the violence and excessive curiosity , such as the human negative aspect is overcome by how to do? That .

He definitely beats his wife.
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>>135618282
Seriously. You see the same in Hollywood, Cable TV, music, video games. We live in a capitalistic society, this shouldn't be surprising.
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>>135619245
Japanese wives are dependent on the husband because they are just housewives. She probably realized she won't survive on her own and downplayed the assault. Also it would bring shame to her family and probably rumors from her neighbors. Status is everything.
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>>135617764
>Moore's Law is about to end
Thanks to Intel and AMD and their dinosaur architectures, Moore's "law" effectively ended years ago. All they do is to waste more and more real estate to get an extra few percent of processing power out of their decades-old designs. Xeon Phi is the only hope for the future.
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>>135618973
Are you stupid? We're looking up to going to the Mars right now. Coincidentally, there was also a scifi film about this. In the 60ies, there people like you too. They were called boring and without imagination.
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>>135619840
>dinosaur architectures
Elaborate. Who is going to program your awesome new architectures that are oh so fast?
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>>135619931
>We're looking up to going to the Mars right now
Only morons are doing that. Oh, and NASA because MUH AMURRIKA. With the technology available in the foreseeable future, you simply cannot get people to Mars and back alive.
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>>135620019
Sounds like that first moon mission.
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>>135620035
Yes, and the very fact that we can't even get people safely in and out of Earth orbit now shows just how fantastically lucky they were to pull it off.
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>>135619840
It has nothing to do with their architecture. It has to do with a market shift into low-power devices over powerhouse chips for custom SoCs and chips that will run more efficiently in micro-devices and laptops. The lithography process have still been getting smaller, just as Moore predicted. The focus has just been on power draw now for modern architecture.
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>>135620019
>Only morons are doing that.
So what, we are discussing what stupid people think. Nobodoy serious thought we'd live in the moon in the 60ies, but on the other hand they did manned moon missions to save MURRIKAN PRIDE.
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>>135620156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hRgQ-Qk7u8
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>>135619931
>comparing the Mars situation now to the space race of past decades
They're nowhere near comparable. Not even close. There's almost no cultural impact, where as the space race with the Russians defined the decade and brought Sci-Fi to the forefront of American Culture for the next couple of decades.
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>>135619998
>Who is going to program your awesome new architectures that are oh so fast?
I think you'll find it's the compiler responsible for converting high-level languages into machine code. Shame Intel are crap at compilers and couldn't make VLIW fly, it had everything going for it.

>>135620129
>It has nothing to do with their architecture
It has everything to do with their architecture. If Intel had gone for basically a thousand ARM processors on a chip instead of four x86 processors, the world of computing would be a very different place now.
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>>135620218
>Shame Intel are crap at compilers and couldn't make VLIW fly, it had everything going for it.
So deluded. IA64 deserved failure, and nobody ever managed to write a good compiler for it.
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>>135615507
>>135615601
Explain how it does.
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>>135620218
>It has everything to do with their architecture
No it doesn't because Moore's Law has nothing to do with performance. Just that the number of transistors in the same space doubles every two years.
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>>135620373
Everyone knows you have to be an asshole to live in this world. But if you actually show that you're an asshole, everyone will point fingers at you and hate you. So be polite while being an asshole and ruining someone elses live.
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>>135621024
I don't think that has anything to do with not having your opinion being heard.
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>>135621024
You sound like you live a very sheltered life if you think mean words equates to ruining someone's life. Your whole argument is literally
>muh feels

In the real world, the only people who do what you described are psychopaths who are obsessed with looking like a good person to every single person around them. To your credit there are a good amount of people like that, but real life isn't a big liberal arts college campus.
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>>135621024
How's that a response to why your opinion should be discarded if you're an asshole?
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>>135614346
ahahaha
its not even good at mecha
and its fucking gundam
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>>135621271
>In the real world, the only people who do what you described are psychopaths who are obsessed with looking like a good person to every single person around them.
Like yourself?
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>>135616270
>love transcends space and time
But that wasn't really the message.
Gravity trascends space and time.
Love is just the strongest drive to have a man take advantage and correctly using gravity.
It was the ayy lmaos, or better ourself from the future, that set up that thing inside the black hole to let MC communicate with himself and his daughter.
Or at least that's what I understood.
The "love trascend shit and garbage" was a thing set there so that who doesn't understand the real plot still has something to cling on.

Going back on topic: >>135614280
Mostly yes, with some exceptions.
And sadly most of sci-fi shows we get are still normal stories that could happen in other settings that just have a sci-fi background, like happens also in other media, e.g. Star Wars

For me a "true" sci-fi from 2015 was Punchline.
Pleiades was very good under the scientific aspect, but still the plot wasn't that dependent of sci-fi elements, save the multiverse theory.
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>>135622646
>"true" sci-fi
>Punchline
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>>135614280
Scifi is a boring genre that /v/ermin eat up. I rather have anime be nothing but moe than /v/-tier genres.
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>>135622745
>trying this hard to shitpost
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>>135622775
Yeah you're right, it's a mystery to why /v/ fucking loves anime like ghost in the shell and cowboy bebop as the pinnacle of anime. Total coincidence I guess.
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>>135622826
Did you know that Hitler built highways?
Did you know that he liked sugar?
Stop using Hitler-tier things.
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>>135622700
It was heavily dependent on the bodyswap, achieved by science.
It has to be said that science and supernatural intertwined heavily in the story, but I'd still say it was more sci-fi than fantasy.
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>>135623022
>achieved by science.
More like SCIENCE.
It was about as scifi as StarWars is.
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>>135616270
Well in most anime they save everyone with the power of friendship and love.
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>>135615921
This is not "true" sci-fi.
When sci-fi is only the setting, and not relevant to the plot, it's faux sci-fi.
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Psycho-Pass was a big hit, so there's obviously room for sci-fi in anime. In fact, even Madoka is sci-fi to an extent, and that was the biggest original in a long time. And if you look at the chart for next season, there are several sci-fi anime airing, all with varying degrees of realism. It's far from being a dead genre.
>>135622646
>most of sci-fi shows we get are still normal stories that could happen in other settings that just have a sci-fi background
You could say this about basically any sci-fi anime, though. Even Gundam is a fairly standard war story. All you have to do is take out the references to space and replace the mobile suits with conventional weaponry and you could set it in the 1940s without changing much else.
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>>135616825
You, I like you.

>>135617004
What is Blame! ?
What is Abara?
What is Biomega?

This is why I hate anime only fags, and in this case Sidoniafags.
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>>135623175
So its cute girls cutely pondering the meanings of their cute lives as cute machines cutely fill out every real role that a human would traditionally be comfortable in.
Throw in a cute gynoid that wonders if she's even a real cute girl and a cute girl that thinks she's a cute gynoid even though she isn't.
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Wake me up when something like this gets an anime (or a movie).
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>>135614280
>implying real scifi can't be moe

What a faggot.
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>>135623230
>You could say this about basically any sci-fi anime
Not really.
>Even Gundam is a fairly standard war story
>Even
Mecha is in a lot of cases very far away from being authentic sci-fi. As you said, it's war stories with sci-fi setting.

I mean, what draws the line for me is how the whole opera is dependent on the science fiction element.
When you have time-travel, multiverse, time dilation with near light-speed travel, then we can talk about sci-fi.
Dystopian societies where an ubiquitous net controlled citizens would make for interesting sci-fi, if the fi part isn't that fi anymore.
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>>135623389
Thank you, looks interesting.
To be honest I've seen the same plotline used in a disney sci-fi spinoff comic (PK). But obviously they took inspiration from the book.
Actually it was one of my favourite stories from those comics, so reading the "source" will be interesting for sure.
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>>135616270
Love is part of the human will and that drives change. Cooper's love for Murphy drove him through enormous fuckups and challenges to help save humanity.
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>>135616910
Why not do what psycho-pass did and put moe characters into sci-fi.
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>>135617923
What kind of practical purposes? Navigation by landmarks?
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>>135619406
Holy fuck what an edgelord. No wonder Mika got btfo, it was him self inserting as Tougane.
I hope he gets abused.
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>>135619245
> it'll basically boiled down to soft boil sci-fi and focus on the not technology aspects of it and focus on cute girls, doing cute things coz moe
So basically the only genuine sci-fi is hard sci-fi with a central focus on the technology? That seems overly specific.
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>>135624871
Genuine sci-fi focuses on the effects of a technology (the "sci") on people. Anything else is soft-core or literary fiction. Why is that overly specific?
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I would love a good sci-fi space opera taking place in Earth's future.
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>>135624987
Why are they so smug!?
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>>135624987
Literature is the key to happiness when you love sci-fi more than life.
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>>135625193
>Go to Barnes and Noble
>Fantasy and SciFi are pushed together.

FML.
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>>135625297
Multi-volume fantasy make the big bucks right now. I think it's a fad and will eventually die down though.
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>>135616770
This gets me everytime, maybe because I have read too much Lem, but fuck all the fantasy works people call Sci-fi.
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>>135616458
Texhnolyze's world was incredible, what with the post apocalyptic backdrop, the political divide between those who have been texhnolyzed, and those who believe humanity should stay untouched.
The entire city of Lux is creative and imaginative, and is the perfect place for the end of the human race.
Really, the surface world episodes are some of my favorite scenes, of any sci-fi setting, literature, film, or television, it's just superb
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>>135625297
And way too much of the stuff that isn't Tolkien re-hashed is SJW-infested trash these days. I've been reduced to "America, fuck yeah!" mil-scifi in recent years just to get something that isn't being intersectional first, and sci-fi a long way after.
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>>135625460
Oh, please. Texh was just shallow Romanticism dressed up in vaguely cyberpunky clothing, the worst sort of false-flagging message fiction there is.
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>>135625566
> false-flagging message fiction
What does this even mean? Do you know what a false flag is?
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>>135625297
>>Go to Barnes and Noble
Why? Just fucking download it.
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>>135625661
>inb4 muh physical books discussion
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>>135625626
Texh dresses up like it should be sci-fi and ends up being no more than a rejection of technology on specious sentimental grounds, which is pretty much the antithesis of sci-fi.
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>>135625693
>>135625661
I don't like reading books on the internet because I get distracted too easily. So I tend to read when I have no computer or right before bed.
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>>135615387
G-reco was delicious.
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>>135625772
same
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>>135625772
Get an ebook (so cheap nowadays) or a tablet (useful so you can watch anime in bed). No one in their sane minds read them on their monitor. I put on some music and can immerse myself for hours. Unless you literally suffer from ADHD, you should have no problem.
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>>135625701
you're an absolute idiot, no shit the idea of technology bringing about the destruction of humanity would be the antithesis to sci-fi.
Everything about technolyze was nihilistic and just accepted it's terrible future
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>>135625520
>Puppies drama at the Hugos
I can't believe social justice politics can spread this far. Book fans should be above this BS.
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>>135625880
I buy physical books for 2 reasons.
1) because I like building my collection.
2) because I like reading them in the bath tub.
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>>135625701
I don't know if it's one really vocal guy or a bunch of people, but this thread has some really odd definitions of sci-fi. Rejecting technology does not make it fake sci-fi. It takes place in a future dystopia with cyborgs/transhumans/whatever playing a central role in the overall plot and in the MC's functioning on an episode-to-episode basis. That's clearly genuine sci-fi, regardless of what message it communicates. And the people complaining about sci-fi overlaid on fantasy plots, you might as well complain about fantasy with orcs and shit overlaid on basic medieval adventure plots. You don't like sci-fi, you like some small subset of sci-fi that treats the subject in line with your views.
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>>135625880
There's a problem with that. You don't want to use a tablet right before bed and an ebook is only good if you get the one that looks like paper. I forgot which one that is. Even then I can bring a book with me to work can't do that with a tablet or ebook. Paper media is easiest for me.
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>>135625929
>reading books in the bath
Why the fuck would you do that?
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>>135614280

Outside of stuff like Origin and Psycho Pass Season 1 yeah kind of. Hard sci-fi would sell like absolute dog shit in the anime format in most cases anyway nowadays unless it was an established franchise or they tossed some otaku name like Urobuchi into the mix.
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>>135626008
Because I can relax better in the bath. Granted, it took some experimenting until I got to a point where I was confident I wouldn't get the books wet by accident, but now I just love it.
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>>135624261

Pretty sure he's saying anime that's ostensibly supposed to be sci-fi still focuses overwhelmingly on moe aspects as opposed to world building, character and scenario building and the plot intrigue therein.
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>>135626008
Not that guy, but the tub is where I'm disconnected from the internet, so I have to sate my text addiction somehow.
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>>135614956

STOP PRESENTING OPINIONS AS EXTREME POSITIONS AND PARRING THEM DOWN TO /A/ MEMESPEAK WHEN THE PEOPLE GIVING THEM SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT!!!!
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>>135614346
he said there's not much, not that there's no good
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>>135616244
>I hate Ubukata as much as the next guy, but he's an authority on SF. He has his own summit even.

He's shit, he had alot to work with in psychopass and he made S2 a steaming turd.
To be expected from his track record really.
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>>135625520
>SJW-infested trash
>fantasy
Care to explain?
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>>135615873
Fafner is decent, fafner exodus is fucking great
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>>135614280
100%
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>>135626822
Not him, but power fantasies of frustrated females full of Mary Sues and matriarchal words.
It's pretty disgusting to read.
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>>135616196
What's name of Trump's Stand?
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>>135626822
Shelves labelled fantasy and science fiction. Most of it fantasy, most of the rest, if recent, SJW stuff. New proper sci-fi is a needle in a haystack.
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>>135627196
Fantasy is the superior genre, and the good sci-fi is just fantasy in disguise. Engineers should never pick up a pen.
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>>135627234
Fantasy is escapist, scifi at its roots is not.
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>>135619406
What is the secret to maritial happiness?
To fight thoroughly.

What kind of fight?
Where things get smashed.

What theme do you want to write about from now on?
I'm curious about violence going too far for example; how to conquer human's negative sides? That kind of things.
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It's not moe so much as it is the light novel shit where every adaptation now is about a super sci-fi/fantasy high school dedicated to fighting ___________ threat. I'd say Birdy the Mighty was the last good proper sci-fi anime.
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I for one, want to see more moe sci-fi. I want Gene Wolfe's "Cute Urth Girls doing Cute Things".
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>>135627234
Go eat a bullet you uneducated swine.
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>>135616458
Sci-Fi lit has been dead since those queers at TOR started rigging the Hugo awards way back when.
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why does it have to be JUST scifi?

why cant it be moe?

does the fucker masterbate to satoshi kon characters?
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>>135627409
Who cares about some shitty awards?
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>>135627442
Publishers.
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>>135627442
doesnt japan have its own awards?

I dont think japan will ever do well overseas these days because of shitty judges that dont even respect lego movie
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>>135627310
I'd say you're wrong.
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>>135627387
>I'm an educated man because I read genre stories about fictional science
Sure.
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>>135627573
Why?
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>>135627585
Because, disregarding individual quality as shows, PsychoPass is much better scifi than Birdy.
Just as an example.
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>>135627620
Psycho-Pass is a weak cyberpunk dystopia.
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>>135627585
Not him, but the easiest counter-example is 2199.
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>>135627670
Forgot about that one.
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>>135627670
to be fair it's a remake even if fucking awesome
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>>135627669
It's actually rooted in science. It's actually speculative (to a degree).
In fact, I'd argue that Birdy isn't scifi at all, just uses scifi tropes.
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>>135627578
You clearly don't understand how much influence many scientists have taken from sci-fi, and how many inventions were born from that.

Pretty much anything remotely hard sci-fi is written by people with a science background.

If you can't comprehend how much it means, you really are an uneducated fool.
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>>135627763
Judging books this way is honestly no better than the people who judge them on SJW bullshit. It's a fucking story.
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>>135615464
I hate how the title is so close to deus ex the game and they even share similar themes about humanity vs technology
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>>135627310
Space Brothers, Moonlight Mile
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>>135627857
It's not the story that really matters. The concepts, the technologies, the ideas. Fuck, your ignorance genuinely angers me. I wouldn't have taken engineering if it wasn't for all the sci-fi I read growing up. You just don't get it.
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Mardock Scramble was both moe and shit.
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>>135627740
>It's actually rooted in science

This is a completely meaningless statement. All sci-fi is "rooted" in science to some degree. Psycho-Pas sis just a dystopia with "It's Sybil! I ain't gotta explain shit!"

>I'd argue that Birdy isn't scifi at all

Space Opera, mind-sharing, bioethics and super soldiers. It's sci-fi.

>just uses scifi tropes.
>tropes

Stop using meme words.
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>>135626139
Such as?
Good sci-fi is about human being, not about who get to show off the most cool robot and gritty setting anyway.
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>>135620019
The technology is here, the political will and the money, not so much.
But back to science fiction stories, I wouldn't concentrate in space because it won't affect peoples lives, what will is the direction of the internet, virtual reality, biotechnology (including body modification) and robots (including drones).

Some country might go to Mars, several countries could try it, or there will be a joint mission... but it will be more of a spectacle, like the World Cup: "oh look, the final!" some country wins "*celebrate for a few days*", and everything stays the same.

For a long, long time, the future will happen here, on Earth.
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>>135627919
>it's an actual engineer
Oh, that explains it. Here's a hint - real science is good because and when it does practical shit. Fake science in a book is for the sake of the book. It serves no practical purpose, it doesn't need to be real, it can be magic for all it matters.
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>>135620468
The CPU manufacturers already have plans years in advance, and are following Moore's law to release doubled chips every two years, turning it into a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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>>135615193
>It is not that scifi isn't produced but what the scifi that they are making are turning off the masses.
Maybe we should educate the masses. What show them what's in their near future is Sci-Fi, so if is a problem of comprehension of technology...
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>>135618973
Then go even farther in the future. It's not hard.
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>>135628360
I'm done trying to explain it. You don't have it in you. If you can't see the beauty in speculative fiction mixed with hard sci-fi, it's not for you. Maybe you just lack imagination.
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>>135628559
Yes, Mardock Scramble and Heroic Age are exactly what the world will be like in 2040.
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>>135615992
>Explain Trump's popularity.
A lot of people in the US is dumb and ignorant.
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>>135628625
It's because I have imagination that I don't need my fictional science to help me out by pretending to be real.
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The challenge presented by "authentic" sci-fi, or any fictional story, is to build a world that COULD conceivably happen even though it's fictional. The only way to do that is to have an extremely sound base of knowledge in how the real world works, and naturally that takes a shit-ton of research into history, politics, geography and technology. The more outrageous things are on the surface, the harder the creator needs to work to make it believable.

Of course this is too hard for 99% of people who aren't hardcore reclusive writers, so naturally people settle a whole buncha candy-colored hair cute girls with tiddies, physics-defying hoopla, societies with no infrastructure besides a few lines of exposition all dialog, and "it's magic I ain't gotta explain shit"
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>>135628641
And they vote for "Muh free education" Sanders.
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>>135628683
You'd have to be incapable of understanding other viewpoints at all to think that people are "settling" for cute girls because creators can't write some realistic alternative model of the world. It's apples and oranges.
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>>135626979
Purple Toupee
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>>135615464
ex machina was fucking retarded
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>>135614280
isn't the "trapped in virtual reality world" a sci-fi genre? I'm pretty sure the nips are the ones who created this genre.
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>>135629053
William Gibson isn't Japanese.
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>>135629053
Fucking youngsters.
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>>135629053
id say yes for things like log horizon and SAO, but would disagree on things like overlord.
it depends on the setting.
it doesnt matter though cause its all LNshit.

im still pissed at Nihei for accepting full CGI Blame! is going to look retarded
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>>135629129
>>135629160
but they have expanded on the genre, while the west hasn't done anything new.
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Masamune Shirow knows what's good.
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>>135629296
OILY
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>>135629160
Even Tron wasn't the first time around -- even back in the 1950s there were some coyly worded stories about young men having to be kept away from vicarious sexual experiences in their full-time VR dramas.
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>>135629388
Can you name a few?

The earliest example of VR in sci-fi that I knew about was Bradbury's "The Veidt".
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>>135629296
Shiny torpedo tits and nigger/horse cock, you mean?
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>>135617764
>Go read anything on Alan Turing and you'll know how different his vision of a computer was from just a calculator.
Or even better, Von Neumann.
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>>135629470
At this remove, no, I'm afraid. These were things that I'd read in a friend's collection of ancient Galaxy and Analog magazines, back in the 1970s. All I can remember is one where the supervisors had to keep on looking out for "Vickies" (ASF, late 1950s); and another one whose title had something to do with spectroscopy (Galaxy, mid/late 1960s).
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>>135629253
Other than Neuromancer and later the Matrix?
Hell, Neuromancer spawned Shadowrun.
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>>135617764
>Moore's Law is about to end unless someone introduces a replacement for silicon. Newer process nodes aren't working as intended either and are taking longer to perfect. It literally is slowing down.
Time for better software instead of better hardware.
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>>135628863

ONLY if their original intention was to actually build a world

Not everyone wants to write "authentic" fiction, and not everybody who watches an anime or reads a manga is looking for it

But if you're actually gonna try, it's really obvious when you give up
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>>135617817
>opinion fucking discarded.
Because everybody will be in VR and nobody will need to go out most of the time?
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>>135629792
>I have no idea what google glass is!
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>>135629694
I don't think the people watching/making AKB or Xenoglossia or whatever else Ubukata might have been thinking of with the moe comment are really trying to get that kind of realistic worldbuilding, though. They're going for something completely different.
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>>135629651
>the Matrix
The Matrix is far from being original. Virtually all of its ideas are pilfered from something else. It's still an alright movie, but it didn't present any major innovations, aside from its special effects.
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>>135629501
also lesbian fingerbanging robots (airing next season).
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VR or AR (like in Dennou Coil) just get used as a way to handwave in some magic.
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Man, I don't think I have seen any good sci-fi anything in the last 10 years.
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>>135630009
Was innovation the requirement to count?
Why do you count SAO but not the Matrix?
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>>135630100
Pay more attention, then.
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>>135630150
I'm not the person you were responding to. I just took issue with you implying that The Matrix "expanded on the genre."
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>>135630219
It did, because to many it was the first story to ever feature something of the kind. It was huge.
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>>135628633
>Mardock Scramble and Heroic Age
I was thinking about good hard science fiction in general.
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>>135630303
It "expanded" the number of people who were aware of the "genre" as a thing
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>>135618192

Except at this point it's not even a wild card theory, unless you're show is based on some super established franchise and/or panders extra hard to moe/fujoshi type fans with extras, event tickets, music, social games and popular staff and seiyuu it's going to bomb fucking hard. Including all those things is how you at least get to wild card status now.
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>>135628021

Just about any mecha/sci-fi anime from the last 5-6 years that barely make use of their sci-fi setting as anything other than window dressing for the real products they're looking to hawk which revolve around moe and pretty girls/boys. Sci-fi nowadays is just a skin shows wear as a template in order to maintain the pretense of a functional show since moe is not a genre.

I even remember Gen Urobuchi saying he mostly tries to work on mecha or magical girl themed stuff because it seems like a good platform and genre template to launch an original franchise but then wondering things like why Blassreiter didn't include more moe characters to up it's appeal to audiences. These are the sorts of thought processes the industries ostensibly top people work from nowadays. It is what it is.
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>>135631169
Just about any mecha anime from 30-40 years ago was an extended toy commercial. Not a lot has changed.
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>>135629668
Even software has limits, unless P=NP.
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>>135631264
At least Tomino tried to buck the trend.
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>>135614280
Yes and everyone who disagrees is part of the problem.
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>>135631169
He asked for examples, and you said "any sci-fi that does this". That's not an answer.
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>>135631802
Yeah, but there's a lot of room for improvement to keep us entertained for many years.
We've grown used to having more and better hardware, it's time to make the software to keep up.
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>>135633065
>I am less knowledgeable than my own foot so I'll let my anus do the posting
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>japs are starting to hate moeshit too

Is anime recovering?
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>>135616245
Watching it right now.
>rotating cigar space habitat
>baseball flies in a straight line

Also
>upon diving into the schwarzschild radius his radio message is just cut off, not getting stretched out at all

It's the little things.
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>>135634125
No, it's declining. LNshit and VNshit is even worse than pure moeshit.
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>>135634125

I think all but the most obsessive types have given up on the current industry that's dominated by the LN/VN stuff recently judging by some recent sales trends and just how so much shit bombed this year or seems to have gotten very negative feedback from more general audiences wondering what the fuck is the deal with the kind of stuff the anime industry is putting out. Unfortunately it's too little too late because the core obsessive demographic that supports anime is more than enough to keep the industry afloat now and the industry bosses know it and couldn't be happier.

The whole go just for a handful of whales as opposed to a sea of fish approach works for anime and since the industry is lazy as fuck and lacks genuinely talented people nowadays this is probably just going to lead to more doubling down on pure mass produced LN/VN shit as the industry takes the message to be something like "well the mainstream has completely abandoned us and doesn't take us even remotely seriously anymore so we need to cater even further to the kind of person that'll play our tie-in cell phone game and drop 500,000 yen on it straight up or those idol type fans that will by multiple of every single product attached to the franchise".

I mean fuck Love Live the School Idol Movie sold over 200K copies in it's first week at a price point of over 10,000 yen and it's still the number one preordered anime on Amazon by a long shot two weeks later. One guy bought 40 copies of the movie. While a decent enough fanservice movie when it's just that easy in cases like that standards go down all around.

It's gotten so bad even Chinese fans are laughing at the state of the industry now and saying shit like in the old days anime seemed to at least have some thought and depth put into it's structure but now it's like it's just about brainwashing otaku and that they can't help but just laugh at the current state of anime and what are supposed to be it's big projects
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>>135635055
Do you type this shit out in advance or do you have a bot of some sort to do it for you?
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>>135632651

Rinne no Lagrange
Aldnoah/Zero
Guilty Crown
Valvrave The Liberator
Expelled From Paradise
Infinite Stratos
Star Driver
Aquarion Evol
Muv Luv
Cross Ange
Comet Lucifer
Captain Earth

Really pretty much any TV mecha/sci-fi anime since about the mid 2000's with rare exception. Almost all of them feel like they completely lack any sort of structure, proper planning and going to bat knowing the themes and ideas they want to emphasize and tackle. Literally they just feel like vehicles to hawk some products and promote some other products like music or seiyuu's and the sole job of the creative staff is just to come up with shit to fill time for 12 or however many episodes. It's especially noticeable with the Aniplex stuff, but even Bandai Visual is guilty of it with Comet Lucifer. There's just no reason these shows should be as structure-less and all over the fucking place not willing to settle on a specific set of sci-fi themes and ideas like this.

Granted Western media isn't much better. Arguably traditional sci-fi has been dead since the turn of the millennium with maybe the exception of the Battle Star Galactica remake and it's all just a bunch of flashy action movies with explosions that just happen to take place in space or in a futuristic setting. You're never going to see something like a Space Opera or a Isaac Asimov Foundation type series again anywhere in the world it seems.
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>>135635185

Just typed it out as the thoughts occurred to me so stream of consciousness with some mild editing I suppose. It's funny because some asshole griped at me for saying the same thing to some guy complaining about Gundam that was barely legible but you know /a/ and selective situational bitching and all.
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>>135633180
You are saying Windows is the pinnacle of perfection? That most software is not full of useless features and shiny graphics? Ok.
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>>135634711

I honestly can barely stand the TV anime scene since LN and VNshit started to take center stage as the dominant shit that people want to see more of. SAO this, Fate shit that, Monogatari this. Thanks a fuck ton Sony and Kyoani for popularizing all this trash for possibly lobotomized teenagers and making it so that you essentially have to do stuff in that format now or eat the loss. It's like every year it gets exponentially more one dimensional like this too.
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>>135635540
There are 1 or 2 watchable shows a year. The rest are garbage. Just stick to manga or books. Remember that anime is mostly media for genetically inferior loser Japs.
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>"LN/VNs have taken over the industry"-poster arrives
Time to abandon the thread, I guess.
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>>135635613
The ratio of terrible to good is the same for manga and books.
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>>135635540
>uninformed rambling: the post
Almost every single thing you said is factually wrong. It's hilarious how people like you continue to spout off like you know anything when if you did even a little bit of research, I'm talking bare minimum googling, you'd find out your preconceived notions are ass-backwards.
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>>135635447
Oh the irony.
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>>135635613
>There are 1 or 2 watchable shows a year.
Said the person who hates anime and has seen less than 100 shows and knows nothing about the industry
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>>135635055
You realize that Love Live is actually very popular with general audiences, right?
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>>135635685

Tell me how I'm objectively wrong then. I noticed you didn't include that part, you just said shit.
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>>135635682
Fuck no. Manga and anime terrible-to-good ratio is roughly the same (a bit worse for manga), but in all of human history, only 6 (count them!) good books have ever been written.
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>>135635613

Well that's why I've been getting back into gaming a lot more.
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>>135635685
It's Aniplex guy or an imitator, just leave him alone.
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>>135635759
As a famous and widely respected literary scholar who has nothing better to do than post on /a/, I can vouch for this.
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>>135635682
Books have been around a lot longer than anime and manga, so there are more worthwhile things to read. In general, it isn't written for mentally inferior Japanese outcasts, which has led to more quality material being produced over the years.

>>135635730
Does dropping a show for being unwatchable after 1-2 episodes count as watching a show? I can't force myself through complete drivel to gain knowledge about the industry.
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It pains me to see people shitting on Mardock Scramble because I thought it was an artistic masterpiece and I was able to see it as such from the very first viewing. I would love to explain in detail why it is brilliant, but unfortunately it would require a small book's worth of text to explain; I plan on writing out my thoughts on it some day and maybe doing a youtube video about it or something. I will say this though, that the people I see talking shit about it only ever mention the most superficial traits while completely missing out on the main theme of the film and the main plot device that was employed. If you think that the nudity in it was "fanservice" then you are a fool and you played right into the author's hands and he has been mocking you in one of the most delightfully clever ways imaginable.
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>>135615193
Mardock Scramble was good.
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>>135635883
Does it glide across the surface of an enormous ocean of philosophy?
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>>135615356
Chevalier d'Eon was garbage. Didn't bother with fafner.
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>>135635883
>If you think that the nudity in it was "fanservice" then you are a fool and you played right into the author's hands and he has been mocking you in one of the most delightfully clever ways imaginable.
This. The girl was raped by her dad.

I don't see how anyone though the nudity in the Mardock Scramble series was meant to be in anyway positive.
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So moe is now the piracy of the anime industry?

Something you made fails? Blame it on moe. As if people who watch moe shows watched moe exclusively.
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>>135636066
The girl was raped by every other dude
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I will just wait for new Yuasa. He is the only one with some vision.
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>>135636089
That too.
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>>135635621

>Oh no people are saying things that might actually be true, everybody out.

Seriously all the fuck I've heard about for even just the past couple years now is Fate/Stay Night this, KEY that, SAO this, Oregairu that, Amagi this, Monogatari that, Saekano this, Overlord that, Dungeon Grrls this, Charlotte that (yes I know it's not based on a VN but it's heavily influenced by that scene).

All LN/VN related shit all the fucking time pretty much with maybe One Punch Man being the rare combo breaker in the last year or so. That's what people talk about now even if they don't always like it. That's what they know and in a lot of cases want more of. I don't see how this can be contested. You have threads upon threads everywhere including this very site cycling through and discussing at length flat out garbage shows like Asterisk, Rakudai and Chivalry of a Failed Knight or why this or that Saekano girl is best or not. In terms of the industry side of things the massive influx of LN and VN writers as conceptual creators and script writers for original anime is undeniable of late as well. The people that many hail as the uncontested flat out number 1 writer in anime nowadays is an eroge writer. The guy that had the best selling piece of shit original series this year is also a VN scene veteran. If that's not visible signs of a takeover I don't know what is.
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>>135635389
>Almost all of them feel like they completely lack any sort of structure, proper planning and going to bat knowing the themes and ideas they want to emphasize and tackle.

Gargantia on the Verdous Planet was a good example of this. First and last few episodes were decent Hard SF with some good science-fiction speculation. Then slice-of-life and bellydancing in-between.
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>>135636262
Gargantia was such a disappointment.
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>>135636262
It's for all the reasons you mentioned that I loved Gargantia on the Verdous Planet.

I don't get the hate for the show.
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>>135636229
LNs and VNs should just stop existing. It would be a huge improevment for the anime industry. The obsessive fanbases of these media will buy whatever the studio shits out no matter how bad it is. Anything else is too risky. This wouldn't be the worst thing, but LNs and VNs are all awful.
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Is there such a thing as Sci Fi Moe that isn't complete garbage like pic related?
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>>135636440
Moe makes everything worse.
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>>135636262

That show had some really bad episodes in the interim for sure. That was also the start of Urobuchi trying to have more themes to his work besides the whole fucking world is out to get you and in particular your friends and will too, especially if you believe in anything that might resemble positive human values, decency and justice but due to the inclusive nature of it all unfortunately I don't think that was ever achieved really. It think he just truly is incapable of writing any sort of positive conclusion or really any at all too his stories, kind of like his idol Tomino.
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>>135636229
>>135636229
>>Oh no people are saying things that might actually be true, everybody out.
Nigger, you say the same thing in every thread you enter, whether it's about sales and the industry or not. No one wants to fucking listen to you anymore.
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>>135635748
Well first off you act like LN popularity started in 2009/10 instead of 2005/6, with Shana and Haruhi. Then you go onto say that they are "dominant" even though LN adaptations (to say nothing of VN adaptations which are even more niche) are always vastly outnumbered by both manga adaptations and even original productions. This last fall season though had a lot of LN adaptations in it, so manga adaptations only managed to have DOUBLE the amount of LN adaptations instead of the typical TRIPLE number, and despite that the number of anime original productions also still managed to outnumber the LN adaptations.

And looking at sales, you have some very popular LN titles in the the top 10, but also popular manga and original anime. Ah but your complaint was about "recent" trends right? So let's look at stuff that recently averaged over 10k sales in 2015:
>Fate/stay night Unlimited Blade Works Part II
VN
>Uta no Prince-sama Maji Love Revolutions
VN
>THE [email protected] Cinderella Girls + G4U Bundle
Video game
>Kantai Collection -Kancolle-
Web game
>Senki Zesshou Symphogear GX
Anime original
>Kekkai Sensen
Manga
>Kuroko no Basuke 3rd Season
Manga
>Yahari Zoku
LN
> Jojo Part 3 Egypt
Manga

So that's 1 LN and 2 VNs out of the 9 best sellers from 2015. If I were to include the 11 best selling titles from 2014 (who averaged over 10k sales) it would only add 3 LN titles and 1 VN title (which is just the first cour of F/SN). I can keep going back and finding similar ratios.
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>>135636440
Bodacious Space Pirates.

Seriously.
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>>135636440

fuck you, that show was good.
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>>135636660

>>giant frisbee laser spaceship

Not that that's a bad thing since it was fucking awesome
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>>135636627
Only good post in the thread. Good job.
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>>135636229
>basing your impression of the industry off of internet discussions
No wonder you know nothing about the industry.
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>>135636627
Anon.
>>135479229
>>135478764
>>135393895
>>135437627
>>135437166
Ignore him.
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>>135636358
>>135636608
I liked it as a show about two cultures coming from the same source and revolving in some aspects around the same thing (the squids), but clashing with different views. It wasn't perfect though, and some parts were definitely not that good.
And besides the fact that the first episode is in space and the MC has a cool robot, I wouldn't really count it as sci-fi.
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>still watching anime
lol
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>>135614280
>Can't make decent anime
>BAAAWWW KAWAII LITTLE GIRL CARTOONS ARE KILLING THE INDUSTRY!!!!

The battle cry of every has-been and lazy failure in anime for the past 30 years.
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>>135627196
>Most of it fantasy, most of the rest, if recent, SJW stuff.

You know all early scifi was all very liberal, right? Fuck, even cyberpunk's entire point is "FUCK BIG GOVERNMENT, FUCK BIG BROTHER, I'M GONNA MOD MYSELF AND BECOME TRANSHUMAN. CHECK YOURSELF BEFORE I HACK YOURSELF."
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>>135636864
>And besides the fact that the first episode is in space and the MC has a cool robot, I wouldn't really count it as sci-fi.
I don't know what you're talking about.

Sure there weren't instant teleporters. But the reason the Earth in Gargantia was one huge ocean was because of global warming. And the slice-of-life segments featured how people adapted to the new environment.

Some solutions were low tech such as Amy's Glider service, and some were high tech such as the scavenger robots and the vertical farms.
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>>135636418

Well not absolutely all of them, but a disproportionate amount for sure. I don't think they need to stop existing entire, but the industry could stand to stop emphasizing them and the key people behind them so goddamn much when it comes to what is getting allotted the most budgets, advertising and resources. Maybe this will come in time if the rumor about the industry being forced to scale back on it's output after this year comes to pass.

I also read that overall profit margin within the light novel industry plummeted enough to be statistically relevant in 2015 so that might force some changes as well in the coming years when it comes to anime since the two are so tied together nowadays. The number one reason cited is fair as well. Just too much derivative stuff and quite literally just too much of it. When markets get over saturated with something that is determined to be of low quality they have a tendency to seize up and collapse, sometimes slowly like the 1983 video game industry crash, sometimes overnight like the .com bust in the early 2000's. Right now anime has kind of been getting saved by the move to better distribution around South East Asia and a rise in popularity there but domestically 2015 saw profits drop pretty noticeably which when you see the difference in disc sales between 2014 and 2015 makes sense. Also the collapse of Manglobe and just the already crisis mode situation that is the lack of fresh secondary and inbetween animators as well as the noticeable production schedule collapses of some pretty big projects in 2015 are probably going to force at least some minor changes as well so it'll be interesting to see since as far back as mid 2014 I can recall some industry people and watchdogs commenting on 2016 specifically to be the year to watch for where the mass production bubble in the industry is going to burst. Personally I would have absolutely no problem going back to 10-20 new shows a season or less.
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>>135636915
>You know all early scifi was all very liberal, right?

Uh-huh.
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>>135636229
Holy shit you are the definition of an ignorant twat. You literally base your conception of the industry off of threads on /a/. You don't bother to look up actual sales records, you don't even watch the shows you criticize. Your sole complaint is
>they're so many threads about them on this anonymous imageboard!

I'm done talking to you, the other people were right. You're a fucking joke.
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>>135637097

>You know all early scifi was all very liberal, right?

Uh-huh.
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>>135637064
>>134735963
Why is this allowed?
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>>135636905
Well, he isn't wrong.
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So uh, while we're on the subject of SciFi.

Who here is interested in this season's "Active Raid: Kidou Kyoushuushitsu Dai Hakkei"
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>>135637064
Stop fucking posting. No one needs your autism.
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>>135636068
Remember when everyone was excited for Ninja Slayer and Trigger shat out a meme-tier trainwreck on a budget of $10?
The first thing they did was blame moe anime instead of admitting they don't know how to get a show properly produced with a reasonable budget.
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>>135637064
Your entire idea about how the anime industry works is so warped and backward I have no idea how you even came up with it.

> the industry could stand to stop emphasizing them
Like this. Like, in your mind you see it as the "anime people" sitting in a room deciding "now who shall we bless with animes this year? Ah yes, time to raise up more light novelists and make them special and important!" Or something.

When here in the real world, the anime studios are mercenaries hired by the publishing companies to make TV shows to advertise their products. The studios agree to this because LNs are currently hot properties and they hope they will motivate fans to buy BDs and merch, which is how the studio makes a lot of its money. The publisher and other investors though are more interested in driving up the sales of the novels with the anime.

But in your mind, it's some kind of absurd popularity game where the Anime Council or someshit arbitrarily dictates what is popular.
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>>135637064
Profit margin doesn't matter for LNs. They're so cheap to make that the current business strategy is to toss a dozen clones out and see which hit it big with the otakus. Then you milk it with merch, manga/anime adaptation until people lose interest. Doesn't matter that 9 LNs are not that profitable, they just need the 1 winner.
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>>135637197

How about I stop posting the day that /a/ stops making constant shitposting threads about tired shit like Fate/Stay Night, Monogatari and the like. Maybe let them die for once too when it's clear people have run out of things to say.

Since that'll never fucking happen looks like you're stuck with me and my inconvenient truths.
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>>135637284

Because that's pretty much what's fucking happening and how it is.
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I would like to see something like Planets again.

It's shame moe bullshit is taking over.
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>>135637166
Except he is. This is the "dog ate my homework" excuse in the anime industry. People either go past their prime, or they're failures to begin with, so they shift the blame on something popular they don't like. Casuals and toonamitards circlejerk around their quotes and everyone else moves on.
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>>135637232
I remember when Trigger realized they were a shitty meme studio and wished they were more like GodAni
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>>135637008
True, I went a bit fast and didn't include all that. But most of what they live with as technology is just adapted to their situation, from older tech, if you compare to what they probably had before the earth got flooded. To me that's not really sci-fi, though there are still many elements akin to sci-fi in the show. I guess it doesn't really matter to me if it's bent on sci-fi or not in the end. I should leave this thread now, I'm not really on-topic.
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>>135637339
No it isn't you dumb piece of shit. How retarded do you have to be to think there's some kind of cultural authority that determines what is popular? The fucking market determines what is popular. Whatever people are buying the most, that's what sets the standard for the industry. LNs started gaining MASSIVE traction in the early 00s so you started seeing more LN adaptations in the next few years, in the mid and late 00s. The industry was chasing a popular trend, they didn't somehow determine in advance that LNs would be popular so they could try to make money off them by making dozens of adaptations, the majority of which either flop or just barely turn a profit. God what kind of fucked up world do you live in?
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>>135637312
It'll fucking stop when Hiro hires a mod who actually lurks again and they start banning you on sight.
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>moe is cancer arguments
>wife-beating arguments
>people discussing their favorite books
>one autist responding to himself with paragraphs about LN writers
Why is this thread still up?
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>>135637517
/a/ always fills with threads like this between seasons.
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>>135637517
>moe is cancer
This one is true. And I'm not talking about moe or harem shows but rather about the trend of focusing on sexy/cute underage girls/boys.
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>>135637402
>LNs started gaining MASSIVE traction in the early 00s
Why did this have to happen
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>>135637625
Here's your reply.
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>>135637625
>moe is cancer
>and I'm not talking about moe

>>135637665
Because Slayers and Boogiepop were good.
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Is Star Wars sci-fi?
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>>135637731
>implying the best anime don't have adult characters or unique artstyle
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>>135637754
How did that turn into all the battle harems?
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>>135637665
>Why did this have to happen

Because of a relative shortage of source material given the absolute torrent of new shows being produced, combined with the low cost of VN licensing.
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>>135637832
Shana/ZnT to Index to IS, I guess?
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>>135637832
Shitty Shana rip-offs were easy to write, and sold well enough.
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>>135626277
It was shit because he couldn't actually do anything in the story that woudl contradict the movie and the movie was still being writen when he started S2 so he didn't really know what the fuck the movie was about, how could he work anything that way?
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>>135637143
Post some early sci-fi, then, not hippy-dippy Sixities stuff..
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>>135629238
>log horizon and SAO
You mean .hack you faggot or even baldr
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>>135637985
Nigger, the shit he came up with was inexcusably bad.
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>>135637754
How come slayers's first half of s01 was so ridiculously better than anything else in the series?
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With all this talk I want to ask is there any recent good or at least interesting scifi book?
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>>135636915
Early sci-fi was militaristic af.

>>135637143
Heinlein went crazy in the 60's, but his early stuff was still conservative.
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>>135637775
>I watch mature animes for mature adults like myself
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>>135636915
>Larry Niven
>Jerry Pournelle
>Gene Wolfe
>E.E. Smith
>Edgar Rice Burroughs
>Poul Anderson

>liberal
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>>135637966
And then Oreimo came along and permanently destroyed any hope for a better future we coudl have had when it make a smash hit
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>>135614280
what anime is that on the poster
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>>135638336
pls respond
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>>135638763
Boku no Titsnass
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>>135638697
What did OreImo have to do with anything? LN adaptations are dominated by battle harems, not siscon fantasies.
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>>135627919
>it's not the story that matters
>novels

Are you retarded?
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>>135638909
Lobotomized inbred retard detected.
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>>135638882
I'm talking about LN adaptations in general, after Oreimo became a gigantic success the number of LN adaptation increased and then various authors did their very best to try and copy it, it also began that fucktarded trend of making fuck huge titles
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>>135638697
I don't really think incest-pandering in anime's gotten much bigger thanks to OreImo, actually.
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>>135630303
>first to ever feature something of the kind

No

>huge

Yes
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>>135614280
he's right anime is dying
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>>135631264
Which means they had to flesh out the how any why of it.
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The best hard sci-fi was written by professional nerds who just had a side-hobby in writing sci-fi. Soft sci-fi (aka I DON'T GOTTA EXPLAIN SHIT! SCIENCE IS MAGIC!) began taking over as people without those background STEM degrees began to file in and put out their books.

That's not to say all sci-fi writers with a STEM background wrote good sci-fi. I mean, just look at horrible piles of shit like the follow-up trilogy to the excellent original Rendezvouz with Rama for proof that being a NASA scientist isn't going to make up for such an awful piece of schlock. But that old coot was just taking money from publishers to slap his name on books written by other people at that age. Fucking Arthur C Clarke, living in Malyasia banging brown girls, living the dream. Also, you don't NEED a science background to write good sci-fi. It just helps make your jargon more believable and less total Star Trek-type shit. Hell, a military background would help with all these guys who want to write LEET FUTURE MILITARY SPACE MARINES without knowing how a military even functions day-to-day.
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>>135638960
>I'm talking about LN adaptations in general
I would argue that Haruhi Suzumiya did a better job of introducing LN adaptions.

They even pioneered the "read the LN" ending.
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>>135639460
What are you talking about, the Golden Age was full of soft sci-fi, space opera, and borderline fantasy stories.

The "hard" stuff didn't really come around until the 50's.
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>>135639460
> banging brown girls
Now here's a fine example of science fiction.
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>>135639460
>>135639763
>girls
>not boys

Clarke liked banging brown shotas. We only found out about it recently because Rupert Murdoch was keeping it quiet.
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So what are your favorite sci-fi anime? I watched Real Drive recently and loved it.
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>>135640009
Galaxy Express 999
Birdy The Mighty (OVA and Decode)
Planetes
Bubblegum Crisis
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>>135640009
Kancolle
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>>135640197
Eh?
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>>135640009
Cobra
Dirty Pair
GITS
Crusher Joe
I tend to gravitate to spectacle over hard science. I do however like to know the scientific basis upon which a writer extrapolates.
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>>135640322
Call it "applied" then. Sounds more important.
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Do not blame modern anime. Blame how the 80s overdid sci fi anime until Japs got sick and tired of them. Literally every other show was sci fi in the 80s.
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>>135640534
But the 80s were the best. ;_;
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>>135640009
>I watched Real Drive recently and loved it.
I dropped it on Episode 4 because it was too slow paced.

Does it get better over time?
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>>135640609
I love 80s anime too. But sci fi was at a glut in those days.
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>>135640322
>Crusher Joe

Man, I still remember when we MST3K'd that at Otakon many years ago.
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SCIFI CAN BE MOE AND THATS WHAT WE'RE MAKING FAGS
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Steins;Gate is Scifi?
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>>135644187
>time travel
No, it's slice-of-life rom-com.
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>>135637196
>Active Raid
I think it will be decent and fun but underwatched.
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>>135629590
I actually read a book recently that chronicled most of the important moments in the tech industry and the evolution of the computer and the internet. It covered a lot of people like Neumann, Turing, Mauchley, etc. It's really amazing when you realize how many people contributed to computing.
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>>135639460
>Arthur C Clarke, living in Malyasia
Malaysia or Sri Lanka?
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>>135645243
You forgot Ecchi
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