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Japan to Crack Down on Anime and Manga Piracy http://torren

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Japan to Crack Down on Anime and Manga Piracy

http://torrentfreak.com/japan-to-crack-down-on-anime-and-manga-piracy-140728/
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>>111216863
Nobody cares.
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Good luck with that nippon.
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They can't do shit, we're on another continent and the amount of effort necessary to actually get the sites taken down would be massive. Definitely not worth the effort considering it doesn't harm the industry
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>>111217106
Add to that how said pirate content creates an interest in the west for dakis, figs and shit.
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>>111216863

If they did this, western fans would stop buying figures and merchandise.
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>A bunch of stream sites that've been pre-selected will go down

Big whoop.
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>>111216863
It was piracy that brought anime here in the first place, and it will be piracy that keeps it alive. Japan is fighting a losing battle, just like everyone else.
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>>111216863
A crackdown after all of our manga and hentai repositories have already fallen. You're a little late Japan.
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What about MangaTraders? Is the archive available finally?
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>>111218066
Yes.
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>>111218498
No it's not. Why are you lying anon?
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You think they can catch IRC n XDCC users?
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Oh no, we are going to lose our 240p streams!
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>>111218066
I want to upload Gin no Saji, but the upload page had some sort of error. DL works just fine though. Did they change it?
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>>111219168
They might target big sub groups like horriblesubs
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>>111218636
Nice try. I'm not spoonfeeding you though.
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>>111216863
>Japan to Crack Down on Anime and Manga Piracy
they've been claiming that for months dipshit
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>>111219315
Check your FTP client, perhaps it's doing something wrong.
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>>111219338
>horriblesubs
>sub group
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>>111219338
horriblesubs is a bot that rips videos from Crunchyroll. As long as Crunchyroll exists, so will HS.
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Is Lucky Star ever going to be uploaded to the new mangatraders or should I just look elsewhere?
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>>111220005
Put it in requests, someone might have it.
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>>111219972
>>111219814
So basically they'll be around forever?
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I already download 99% of my shit via xdcc, so I don't really care.
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Will this effect us in any way?
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>>111220238
Are you a faggot?
That should answer your question.
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>>111220238
Yes. you will see threads about this for the next day or two. Everyone will then forget about it.

Then someone will make a thread about it one month late and everyone will call him a faggot.

This is the most likely outcome.
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>>111220166
Which bots do you use?
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>>111220435
#nibl and #intel mostly. I'll rarely use #kametsu.

I found out about #news today in an earlier thread so I guess I'll give that a shot.
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>>111216863
>According to NHK, a new site will direct fans to legal copies of the 250 affected works at a flat price of a few hundred yen.
Counteraction rising
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>>111220561
Thanks anon. I'm trying to find good bots rite now
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>>111220587

Yeah we are ready for the punch line
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>>111219636
>months
Years.
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>>111220470
I'm pretty sure that most fansubbers are actually fans of anime
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>>111220631
Whoops, those are channels anon.

I could really give a shit about which bot I use. I tend to use five or six at a time if I'm download a single show simply because I haven't figured out a way to do batch downloads yet.
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>>111220470

>Check nyaa.se's top downloads
>hundreds of episodes have at least 100k downloads

To be fair that's a fuckload of potential money they're losing.
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>>111220829
My bad anon, I meant channels
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>>111220645
There's no use with all your gimmicks
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Same shit as every year.

With the same result.
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>>111220949
Only about 10 people out of that 100k would consider buying anything without downloading anything to see if they liked the show.
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>>111220949
Sucks to be them.
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>>111220978

SO CHECK THIS OUT!
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This is what's going to happen
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>>111220949
Not really, since most of downloaders wouldn't watch it if they couldn't have it for free.
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>>111220949
>Potential money
The potential money from that is zero. Downloading something doesn't mean you're a potential customer. Businesses can't seem to understand though.
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Tons of Japanese download anime illegally.
Why are they such hypocrites?
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Do they not realize it'll only hurt them in the long run to actually shut these sites down?
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>>111220949
No one would buy it. I wouldn't spend the money required to buy a lot of anime that aren't airing. It's ridiculous.
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>>111220112
Lurk the fuck more.
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>>111221095
Did you read the article? Japanese get 10 years in prison for uploading and 2 years in prison for downloading.
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>>111221156
That doesn't stop many.
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>>111220949
>potential money they're losing.

Not quite, any "fan" that wanted to "support" the industry already has a CR account or already use legal western mediums, serious supporters already buys the BDs, figs, etc. Directly from Japan. So most of the paying market has already been capitalized.

And publisher are also forgetting that fansubs subs server as free marketing that usually cost a lot of money for the company.
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Speaking of supporting the industry, does buying manga published in the US help in any significant way?

I've probably spent over $500 in the past four months buying manga which is probably the only way I'll ever really be able to support the industry.
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>>111221356
You wasted your money.
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>>111220694
>Years
Decades.
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>>111221356
>significant way?

Nope, Only a fraction of the revenue of the sales goes to the mangaka, another fraction goes to the right holder. However it does help if you want more localized crap.

You might also want to consider importing the manga from japan, it can be quite cheap actually.
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>>111221452
At least it looks nice.

I prefer physical copies anyways.
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>>111221356
It helps support the US publication of more manga. If you like the idea of the general public being able to walk into a bookstore and buy a volume of Knights of Sidonia, then keep at it.
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http://youtu.be/ooXlPIRgLIg
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>focus on china
>580 sites
>deleted sites will redirect to an official pay channel

We're more than safe.
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>>111220470
Well then don't try to charge me 60 fucking dollars for a 4 episode BD.
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This is why you archive things.
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>>111221599
And I'd be willing to bet anything that each and every one of those sites will be replaced by the next day.
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>>111221048
Helio?
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>>111221635
only like 7 of those are any good
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>>111221615
>4 episode
>BD
That's actually a pretty good deal, considering that most DVD/BDs only have two episodes on them.
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>>111221627
I would a pirate loli
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>>111221690
Is it me you're looking for?
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>>111221709
>having taste this bad
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I sure hope this council comes up with a viable buiness model to monetize anime in foreign markets and doesn't just resolve to futily attack various piracy methods
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>>111221599
Pfffft, the most watched subs here are CR rips anyway. Nothing to worry about
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>>111221635
Why even give them icons if you can't see them?
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It's not like anyone would buy that shit overpriced anime. Maybe if Japan made some good anime they wouldn't need to do this.
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>>111221731
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>>111221871
2 l8 m8
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I could see bakabt caving since they're already too pussy to host licensed anime.
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>>111221690
>>111221048
>>111221754
hello
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I wouldn't even mind buying anime if it was cheaper and available via digital distribution. As it is, piracy is the vastly superior choice for those of us who aren't millionaires and/or don't have vacant shelves lining the walls.
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I buy Nip music in a heartbeat, but not anime. Why? DRM and pricing. Sure, Japanese CDs are stupidly priced, but a good album will last you for the rest of your life. How often do you rewatch something even if it's your favourite series?

Also fuck DRM.
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>>111221812

We need the equivalent of Gane Newell for anime. You can say all the shit you want about steam and Gabe but they made playing PC game so damn convenient and cheap.
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>>111222014
DVDs and BDs don't have DRM either.
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>>111221940
DELETE THIS!
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>>111222014

People who don't want BDs already buys figs and the like.
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>>111222053
Why don't we convince Lord Gaben to start selling anime on Steam. They already sell a couple movies, so I don't think it'd be that much harder.
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>>111222077
hello?
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>>111222119
>They already sell a couple movies

/v/ please.
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>>111222074
>DVDs and BDs don't have DRM either.
That's bullshit. I can believe DVDs not having DRM, but BDs?

>>111222113
Well sure, but that's something else.
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>>111222119
>he approves
>needs avatar
>steam's sister
steemu-san and kemuri-kun
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>>111222178
Do you even know what DRM means?
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>>111222053
would a steam + anime producer partnership be viable I wonder

you buy a show just like a game and then get access to downloading or streaming of every episode which goes into your anime library

no DRM shit, you just have a bunch of folders in your steam directory where the .mkvs or whatever format. Steam comes with a video player that doesnt lick balls, just ripping off MPC with a good codec pack would be fine, though you can use any player you want. It wouldn't prevent piracy, but it would be a quick and easy way to pay for anime if you wanted to.
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>>111222227
Digital Rights Management

Basically restrictions on how you can playback and share the media.
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>>111221615
Don't forget the $80 in shipping and handling!
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>>111222322
Yes, and when you buy a physical media copy, like say a DVD or a BD, then you can do whatever you want with it. Meaning that it does not have DRM on it.
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>>111222382
do you just not pay attention to those FBI WARNING screens before every american movie youve ever seen that says DONT COPY THIS SHIT
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>>111222306
No, because the industry cannot into proper quality typesetting and translations. There's a reason why we shit on CR and HS all the time. However, if they somehow managed a partnership with the big fansub sites (Daiz-sama please), I think this would be a good system. Hell, I'd pay for the AOTS, everything else would be pirated of course.
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>>111216863
What, again? This time for sure?
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>>111222382
That's not actually true. You can't just pop in a BD and play it back without buying some shitty software.

I'm not really familiar with the ripping process, but I have tried making a few DVD ISOs with a simple dd command only to have it fail because of the DRM on the disc. I know there are ways around it (duh), but that doesn't mean it's suddenly a DRM-free disc.
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>>111220949

Do you seriously think I'd paid for some of the shit I watch every season?
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>>111222306
I see a major problem with the lack of privacy on platforms like Steam. If it were just a sales platform it would be okay but I dislike how they force the community features upon their users. Not to mention that they're probably as intrusive as facebook when it comes to gathering data on their users.
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I hope US and Japan get their shit together in releasing anime titles. I am sick and tired of all this shit talk of support the industry crap.

And on off topic, they need get better with dubbing and create new talent. Eliminate all the bullshit with nepotism and union shit that moslty hurting future talents including money issues
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>>111222699
if you read steams license agreement they don't record all that much, none of it is personally identifiable and a lot of it is optional

as for community features, you're welcome to set your profile to completely private, so that no one can view what you've bought or whatever.

I only suggest steam because it seems as though every anime dork has a steam profile, so simply adding onto something that everyone already has is much easier than getting customers to install new software
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>As a result, this week the Japanese government will act in order to preserve what it sees as one of its greatest cultural exports.
But only a fraction of it is exported

>to legal copies of the 250 affected works at a flat price of a few hundred yen.
It's fucking nothing.
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>>111222430
and you think anyone gives a fuck about it?
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>>111222306
>would a steam + anime producer partnership be viable I wonder

That depends. if both all parties involved assume they can make enough of a profit they might do it. However they still need to consider the share of the market CR already has and if enough userbases, CR and steam, overlaps and if they would be willing to spent more and their anime.

>no DRM shit

Not going to happen, steam in itselft is DRM incarnated.

>>111222450
>because the industry cannot into proper quality typesetting and translations.

Irrelevant, people are still willing to pay. CR proves this.

>There's a reason why we shit on CR and HS all the time.

This is even more irrelevant for business wise.

>Daiz-sama please

Now you are being a complete retard, because what we need is another fucking idiot deciding what he thinks is good for us instead of what the consumer actually want.
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>>111222382
>physical media copy ...does not have DRM on it

Yeah, nah, you're a moron. There's not a single CD, DVD or BD that doesn't have DRM on it. They're literally built into the standard at this point.

Where your confusion kicks in is that it's laughably easy to bypass/break the DRM they use, making them "effectively" DRM free, if not in actuality.

There's an important difference there.

Bypassing DRM is technically illegal in most 1st world countries now, although nobody really gives a fuck because it is absolutely impossible for the powers that be to enforce said asinine, outdated, industry-purchased laws.

tl;dr you're wrong, but it doesn't really matter
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>>111221635
>Naming and listing by year
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>>111219423
The ftp is not MT archive, idiot.
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Does anyone not realize how likely it is Batoto will go down? They take down shit all the time who's to say it won't be killed completely by the time this is over?

Or do you guys not mind using DDS and FMD on shitty sites like fox, kiss, panda, etc?
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>>111222933
Forgive me, I forgot the majority of people aren't OCDfags like me.
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>>111221923
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>>111222961
>There's not a single CD, DVD or BD that doesn't have DRM on it.
Incorrect, the redbook audio standard for CDs is DRM-free. The vast majority of audio CDs (like 99.9%) are on that standard. There was a very brief period were Sony released a few hundred CDs with DRM in it, but it turned out that the software used to rip them literally installed a rootkit on your computer. That scandal blew up in their face and nobody has ever tried something like that again.
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>>111220005
Why would you read shit?
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>>111222014
I rewatch my favorite series about once a year.
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>>111223072
>Does anyone not realize how likely it is Batoto will go down?
I hate these fuckers. I'm going to drink their delicious tears if they really go down.
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>>111222876
>none of it is personally identifiable and a lot of it is optional
It becomes relevant where it's combined with other data. Valve is an American company after all, so government agencies can demand them to hand out the data they have on their customers. Accumulation of data is always a security risk.

>as for community features, you're welcome to set your profile to completely private, so that no one can view what you've bought or whatever.
I can still view what games people have been playing, even if their profiles are private.

Also, Valve is being quite mischievous when it comes to baiting people into giving them information, e.g. by handing out bonuses and things like that. These aren't really good business practices.
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>>111221025
>>111221042
>>111221067
>>111221079
>>111221106
>>111221245
>>111222667
b-but people on /v/ always said they will buy the game after they pirate and try it if its good

su-surely the people who buy anime would do the same right?
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>>111223232
>e.g. by handing out bonuses and things like that.
A fucking badge.
Wow
The only people who care about that shit are gigantic faggots that need to feel like their alive by stroking their e-penis on superfluous bullshit like that.
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>>111223288
>>>/v/
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>>111223130
For a while a large percentage of pop and rock CD releases had on-disc DRM. Sometimes it was encoded within the track itself, other times it was full-retard shit like Sony's rootkit.

Yes, things are better now, but then again who the hell buys music on CD anymore?

Still doesn't change the fact that 99% of mass-market DVDs and BDs have DRM on them.
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>>111223288
no
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>>111223178
So what? I can listen to my favourite albums at least once a day.

The point is that you get much more bang for your buck buying music as opposed to Film or TV shows.
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>>111223288
>buying anime
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>>111223305
The point is that they bait the gullible into handing them information. This is exactly the same shit that Facebook does.
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>>111223288
>paying for cartoons

Hah, what am I? Retarded?
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>>111223375
>killing anime
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>>111223199
Because they take down shit when asked and censor their site in attempts to please the faggots who keep trying to make them a target?

Well I guess we're back to water mark sites.
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>>111223288
Of course not you stupid piece of shit.

>>>/v/ is that way.
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>>111223419
anime is worth killing
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>>111223419
Let it die then, nobody gives a shit. Take your propaganda elsewhere.

This is /a/, not /v/.
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>>111221486
>Only a fraction of the revenue of the sales goes to the mangaka, another fraction goes to the right holder
Almost in all cases the author holds the rights.
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>>111223351
>For a while a large percentage of pop and rock CD releases had on-disc DRM.
No, it was never a large percentage. I think you mean a large percentage of mainstream stuff on major labels. And even then, that was a really short period.

>then again who the hell buys music on CD anymore?
I do. There's no other reasonable way for me to support bands halfway across the world. (No, I'm not going to buy a fucking T-shirt for every band I like. That's ridiculous.)
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>>111223419
>caring
>>>/v/
Get the hint shithead, the more cancerigenously small the fanbsae the better.
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How long until we get a reasonable replacement for mangatraders anyways?
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>>111221452
>having a physical copy
>wasted money
It is if he's a faggot with shit taste.
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You're wrong officer. I'm not stealing the meat, I'm pirating it.
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>>111223533
Why would you steal meat?
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>>111223533
Do people honestly give a fuck about this? Or are you just pretending to be retarded?
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>>111223533

Jesus is a pirate. He copied bread and fish.
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>>111221635
>1,6TB
You call that archiving?
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They just don't want westerners watching their cartoons.
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>>111223596
>>111223608
It's a /g/ meme.
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>>111221860
Probably just set it like that so we could see more of them, anon.
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>>111221946
>paying for something you can't even touch
>ever
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>>111223433
The site is led by SJWs. They have completely arbitrary rules about what is acceptable and what not. They can choke on their bullshit.
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>>111223641
And why would you bring shithole memes over here? /a/ has enough maymays so that we don't need other people's
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>>111223383
It doesn't even ask for information though. Really it just wants you to foster a sense of community by joining in and partaking of it. Hell you get a fucking point by playing a game and another for changing your avatar. There's only 1 option for personal information and that's the facebook link which anyone would link to an alt-account if they even felt like it since it's optional.
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>>111223688

Shut up you hothead.
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how will this affect series that aren't legally licensed overseas? Like Pretty Cure or Sunred?

And those with REALLY horrible dubs (and even heavy edits) only with no subs

is it just gonna say NOOO FUCK YOU PIRACY IS ICKY POO POO YOU ONLY GET SHADOW REALM

or show I just ignore this?
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>>111223494
Many of them use sites like Bandcamp and Amazon to sell their music directly. These sites often have lossless files available which are just as good as a physical disc.
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>>111223688
Why are you assuming I'm the same guy?
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>>111223401

Stupid goyim, are you forgetting all the merchandise you bought?
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>>111223533
>posting an image without paying license fees to the rightful owner
I hope the FBI will put you in prison, where big dicked niggers will rape you all day.
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>>111223688
Nobody cared who I was until I started posting other boards' epic maymays here.
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>>111223747
I haven't bought shit, stupid kike.
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>>111221946
I wouldn't buy anime because the subs always fucking suck.

Even crs shit is barely passable and that's literally all the do.

Why would I buy shit when I can not only get it for free, but I can also get a better product?
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>>111223686
So you care more about who runs it and their personal interests than their achievements and merit towards the community. Are you a journalist?
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>>111223641
I've been on /g/ for almost 12 years now and haven't heard of an meat meme before.
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>>111223778
>implying you need to care who someone is to redirect them
>>>/tv/
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>>111216863

Thanks Jacob.
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>>111223822
>the anime community
Just go back to whatever shithole you came from retard, the anime community is concentrated eye cancer.

I'm guessing /v/
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>>111223712
>It doesn't even ask for information though. Really it just wants you to foster a sense of community by joining in and partaking of it.
You really think Valve does this because they want to create a sense of community and they're not interested in your gaming and browsing habits for marketing reasons? You must be really naive then.
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>>111223791

Well then, let me introduce you to these high-quality limited edition figurines of your waifu.

Great prices!

Buy them before someone else does!

You have a friend in Japan!

etc.
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>>111223740
Bandcamp is the only digital download site worth using. I personally prefer having the physical copy, but buying from bandcamp is reasonable. Also, it is common for bands to offer the physical disk on their bandcamp page which I'll happily pay for.

Amazon downloads are garbage and I have no idea why you even thought to bring that up.

In my case though, I will end up just buying the CD anyway. For example, I took a shot in the dark at 3nd and bought some of their stuff off of the bandcamp page. I ended up loving it so much that I decided I wanted the albums on the physical copy.

And obviously, not every band has a bandcamp.
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>>111223734

yeah wondering about this as well
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>piracy sites AKA streaming
>mostly directed at china
>it's just them sending more C&D letters and they don't even know if those sites will comply
Sure is scare tactics in here.
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>>111223901

Silly anon, you're part of the animu community since you watch animu.
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>>111223596
Its more common than you think.
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>>111223855
I can't just go fly halfway across the world to see a show from a band I like.

Also, not every band is on a major label. Many of them are independent so they would see a significant amount of cash going to them.
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>>111223977
>imblying

I'm a shitposting mangafag.
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>>111223822
>merit towards the community
The merit of getting censored?
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>>111223734
You will buy our shitty knock-off translation done by a student studying Japanese in his second year and you will like it, you filthy disgusting goyim.

This is how most companies actually think, by the way.
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>>111223533
Sure whatever. You didn't file-share it. So you would be a filthy thief.
But theft has nothing to do with file-sharing.
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>>>111222412

Related or not, Crazy's Manga is shutting down. It's been here since 2007.

>>111223517 check foolz. We have one. So maybe some other anon can take over hosting Crazy's Manga also?
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>>111223832
You haven't seen all the piracy threads on /g/ that start with some greentext that says something along the lines of "it's okay for me to steal this meat, I wasn't going to pay for it anyway" with that picture?
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>>111223989

Perhaps they're wondering why you would pay for an anime before watching it?
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>>111224107
No.
Why would there be piracy threads on a guro board in the first place?
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>>111224016

I never understood your kind. Or anime-only fags. Or /jp/. Or VN-only fags (see: /vn/ on /vg/)
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>>111216863
So where's this list of sites they plan to fuck with?
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>>111224179
You're a clever man.
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>>111224179
>on a guro board
I have bad news for you. It's now a tech support board.
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When the fuck is Japan going to stop being completely fucktarded about a seriously untapped market and:

Supply services owned by Japanese companies
Offers (good) translations at a reasonable price
While digital only, is DRM free

I would be happy to pay for more chinese cartoons and comics but I don't want to pay an American middle man for it, just fuck that noise.

Japans can be so technophobic and inept at times it's absolutely baffling.
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>>111223734
The unions like the SGU are the ones to fault for shitty dubs and possible barring new talent that are interested in anime
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>>111224061

those morons DO know that the reasons people pirate anime are

1. The official dub is horrible quality
2. The videos are of horrible quality (like that offical sub of Futari Wa Precure floating around everywhere like on Funi and Crunchyroll, it looks fucking awful
2. It's too expensive
3. There's numerious amounts of heavy editng to dumb it down because "think of the childeren a bloo bloo bloo"
4. Legal copies are either out of print or rare to find
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>>111223903
There are far better methods of doing that than some badge of which ties together shit you do in a normal session. That data would be completely inconclusive as it's the normal routine of a user.

Attention to the forums is what they'd want which is how they knew Greenlight was a failure a few months into its lifetime.
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>>111224097
Im aware of madokami, I just dont think its a good long term solution considering how content is uploaded. Also the secret club mentality only works for shit like sadpanda where there are still surface alternatives to reading and downloading. Manga is important to everyone, unless someone steps up and makes something retards can effectively grasp shits going to turn into sour milk Im calling it now.
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>>111224097
>We have one.
Not even close.
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>>111224202
>see: /vn/ on /vg/
What do you expect of the people who refused to discuss VNs on the VN board?
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>>111224245

Aren't their goverments run by incredibly Backwards thinking Old geezers that obstruct progress in favor of "muh traditions" or something?
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>>111224245
Urasawa for instance insists that he never wants a digital release for any of his series.
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Whoah, brave soldiers are risking their lives to bring me my anime and manga? 10 years is a long time.
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>>111223288
>buying ANIME
>ever

I can understand manga, but fucking anime? HAHAHA.
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>>111220359
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>>111224119
At least BD buyers support the industry. Who are you?
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>>111224238
For you.
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>>111224245
>>111224389
Artists have this mindset too. They actually think copyright protects them. Just look at doujins that are parodies of popular commercial works. Even though they violate copyright, they will have a warning that copying the doujin is against the law.
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>>111224245
>at a reasonable price
Never. Because prices aren't "reasonable" even in Japan.
The prices stems from a business model no longer relevant in most industries, and even though attempts have been made to lower the prices, that only resulted in a loss of revenue for everyone involved.
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>>111224470

It doesn't matter who we are. What matters is our entertainment.
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>>111223533
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>>111224389
As much as I do prefer physical material making that your only policy just won't work.

These industries would see some major bolstering if they just fucking embraced the digital age.

>>111224527
>Never. Because prices aren't "reasonable" even in Japan.
I know, I've imported music and video games before, it's not cheap.

Piracy is always going to be a problem but I don't think enough is being done to develop hassle-free, user friendly distribution methods where everyone can benefit.

It's all these fucking men in suits, isn't it?
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>>111224422
>buying manga
Everyone laugh at this peasant.
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>>111224302
1. They are aware it's bad. They don't care. In their opinion you don't have a choice (or at least, shouldn't) so you will buy the title and deal with the shitty dub.
2. Again, they don't care. You will buy their product and like it, or you won't buy it and you won't have it. They're certainly not gonna let you have it for free.
3. Actually this is one that's kinda silly, anime prices in Japan are way higher than they are in the US. Dunno about other countries.
4. Gotta be able to reach as much of the market as possible! How else could we poor poor business execs buy another yacht?
5. But what if we plan to do a reprint? That could be a lost sale! Nope, you will either not have it or pay through the nose to someone who owns a "legal" copy (even though those are usually well-made counterfeits.)
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The only thing I care about are manga, and I buy those when I got the money.
Never saw an anime where I was thinking that I had to have it. For all I care japan can shoot themselves in the foot with their dumb copyright bullshit for anime.
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>>111224568
Nobody cared about giving money to the industry before they sent out the copyright takedowns.
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>>111222166
No, like actual movies. That shitty INdie Game movie with phil fish is sold on steam
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>>111224639

>not owning your favorite manga

Please kill yourself
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>>111224639
Scum.
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>this happened a year ago
>not a single fuck was given
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>>111224639
Anon, you are the peasant here.
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>>111224324
It's not just about the badge. They can harvest all kinds of data from their users. The badge merely motivates the user to do things, but the badge isn't the only device. People are baited with free games during sales if they fill their wishlists. They have cloudspace automatically activated and don't allow users to manually clear it. They collect data on browsing habits, various statistics on the gaming habits of people and so on.

This is all a rather unhealthy development and I certainly hope the EU will tame Valve in that regard, just like they did with google recently.
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>don't export 99% of their shit
>they get mad when a bunch of white guys translate it and give it out for free on the internet

they literally lose next to nothing since the market practically doesn't exist outside of
Japan

stupid fucking chinks
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>>111224694

If I stopped paying, would anime die?
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One thing I never really got. Is how I could be in Japan and actually record all my anime. And that is perfectly legal.
But as soon as I do it through a computer, it's a crime worth millions in fines.
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>>111224639
>buying movies
>buying cartoons
>buying shoes
>buying watches
>buying a golf club
>buying a whore
>buying video games
>buying anything
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>>111224830
Japan cant into computers.
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>>111224795
They are mostly mad at the chinks though, not white guys.
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>>111223901
>>111224016

Well of course you're shitposting when you add anime community to your quote when I only said community.

And to begin with Batoto was part of the manga community, not anime. Nothing you said made any sense it's just a bunch of sperging.
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>>111224470
They support the local distribution industry but they barely matter to Japan.

Also, nobody gives a shit.

If you want to be commended for your efforts you should go to some shitty forum. On /a/ we don't care.
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>>111224830
Time Shifting was made officially legal in the US; don't know about Japan.
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>>111224795
Pretty much this.

Fansubbing began because fans had no way of purchasing copies within the U.S.

Now I suppose it's much easier to import, but fuck mang.
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>>111224948
I'm pretty sure that anon was talking about people who import BDs not dumbass who buy Funi crap.
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>>111220949
The only reason is because there's no distributors who want to distribute their BD/DVDs to their country.

And sadly, even if we(in my country) can find some BDs/DVDs on amazon (or ebay?) it's ridiculously expensive that you'd be give the fuck up and just download it from torrent.

If only Japan wants to promote their Anime to the distributors, things like picture related won't really matter for Japan.
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>>111224818
It would be extremely unethical.
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>>111224838

>buying food
>buying internet
>buying electricity

kek
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>>111224818
It would be extremely painful
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>>111224997
>being alive
kekĀ²
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>>111224989
the picture related>>111220470
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>>111224995
>>111225004

You're a big industry.
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>>111224838
Consumption is an empty way to find happiness. Material possessions inevitably lead to sorrow.
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>>111225047
IV U
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>>111225047
For Japan.
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>>111224979
Which is way too expensive. He's better off buying some other merchandise than a bunch of plastic containing something which he already has on his HDD.
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>>111224997
>>111225031

man my sides just fell apart
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>>111224969
>Now I suppose it's much easier to import, but fuck mang.
I honestly wonder if the Japanese have any idea how much westerners are paying to purchase media.

The only thing reasonably priced in Japan is generally printed shit, it's ridiculous.
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>>111225077
go away buddha
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>>111224989
Make a cheaper way of ordering of ordering from Japan, and promote autism bux for NEETs in all western countries, they might get a lot of business that way.
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>>111225087
Well sure, but people who import BDs are supporting the industry which was the point.
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>>111224389
Who gives a shit about an oldfag who wouldn't survive 1 year if he submitted a series anonymously and changed his drawing style?
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>>111221615
nigga, I would pay the first half series for $50/60 bucks.
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>>111224791
See, now you move on to the heart of the matter.

They've already gone on record saying that sales are their little experiments on consumerism and consumer habits. I don't agree with it and tend to curb my spending.

Cloudspace can be deleted but it's a pain in the ass. You can find a tutorial on Google.

Every site and browser you use collects data on you and while I have an issue with it I know there's nothing I can do.

Also
>EU
>Do Anything
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>>111225164
I was only making the point that lots of people would probably pay for digital releases of his. So the people who would give a shit are all those picking up manga as well. I have no opinion of Urasawa himself.
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>>111224958
No one ever said the states was actually about freedom and ownership though. Oh except for guns.
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>>111221627
I would if it were possible. Sadly, matter cannot be transmitted through the internet yet.

Since this is pirating we're talking about, it would be a clone loli, right? So no crime has been committed (at least not that anyone would know about)
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>>111225099
I'm fairly cynical that Japan realizes the potential of foreign markets that aren't China or Korea. A head executive at Squaresoft was legitimately surprised that Bravely Default was a hit in the U.S. because they thought traditional JRPG's were too unpopular. They get way to caught up in the "East/West" divide.

I've only visited for like a week and was blown away by how expensive everything was. Is printed material like manga or novels cheaper in comparison to everything else?
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>>111225347
Japan is cheap as fuck compared to here. Everywhere other than the USA is going to seem really expensive to you. You guys are lucky.
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>>111225293
>They've already gone on record saying that sales are their little experiments on consumerism and consumer habits.
The point remains that they're making money (maximising profit) using their customer's data. This is what Facebook does and it should not be tolerated.

>Cloudspace can be deleted but it's a pain in the ass. You can find a tutorial on Google.
I shouldn't have to look it up on google. They should ask me whether I wanted to use it, telling me exactly what they're going to do with the data stored and whether I agree with it and they should allow me to look into the data stored at any point and delete it at any given point. It's my data after all.

>Every site and browser you use collects data on you and while I have an issue with it I know there's nothing I can do.
You can minimise it by using browser plugins and collecting of data has been getting flak lately. Valve on the other hand is always portrayed as the customer's friend, which they aren't.

Also
>EU
>Do Anything
You can now contact google to have websites infringing upon your privacy removed from their index. Companies storing data left and right and fucking with their customer's privacy is something that isn't going to fly for that much longer - at least when it comes to European customers.
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>>111225474
Yeah, that's one good thing about America. Everybody else pays so much for everything. It's ridiculous.
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>>111225568
>muh equality of opportunity
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>>111225347
I think it is.
Kids and adults having entire library's of manga
and merchandise.
Here you would have to break the bank just to get to get your favorites.
Some people here payed hundreds for a single figure, for something in japan you would get for maybe 15 bucks
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>>111225347
About 600-700 yen for any manga or light novel, keeping in mind that the format for manga in Japan is usually larger than localized manga and always comes with slipcovers too.

Meanwhile albums are anywhere between 3000-3800 yen, games about 7000-8000 yen and a single volume of anime about 4800-7000 yen.

I don't fucking know, man.
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>>111225704
>Meanwhile albums are anywhere between 3000-3800 yen
Nah, it's a little more variable than that. More like 2000-4000 yen. If it's a bigger label, it'll cost much more than if it is an independent release.
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>>111225704
>games about 7000-8000 yen
fuck man
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>>111224334
>Not even close.

Work in progress. The actual promised site by the people who ripped MT at the time is still forthcoming.
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nyaa will never down because you can't win against Daiz
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>>111225704
>Well, those prices don't sound too bad
>Check conversation rates.

That's astounding for manga volumes. In the US each manga volume costs anywhere from 7.95 to 15.00 (for less pages overall)
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>>111225704
Thats like 4 to 5 euro for manga. Damn I am jealous.
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>>111225769
Though, that's more home console price.

A 3DS game is more around 4800-5800.
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>>111225838
Daiz doesn't own Nyaa.
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>>111225704
>>111225763
whats the average salary in japan anyway? 5,000,000- 3,500,000 or something like that right?
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>>111225947
I realize that, it's a joke autist.
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>>111226032
I don't have autism.
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>>111225909
I recommend redoing that math.
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>>111226084
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>>111220238
Yes. Remember when we used to be able to torrent music, but then the record companies put a stop to it?
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Yeah, that sure worked well for Hollywood.

Also totally counterproductive. I'm sure I can speak for others when I say if it wasn't for piracy I'd have never gotten into anime and never spent a cent on it or related materials.
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>>111225979
Is it really that low? Even with their astronomical cost of living?
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>>111221635
>windows
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>>111226183
>I'm sure I can speak for others when I say if it wasn't for piracy I'd have never gotten into anime and never spent a cent on it or related materials.
You never bought local license ones? How many years have you watched anime?
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>>111226194
well the average slary in that states is 38k
so its actually quite nice.

Plus i think it includes the salary of the people living in the little islands and Hokkaido.
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>>111226084
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>>111226133
Wait, what the hell? Manga is seriously only 6 dollars over there?

Fucking knew those faggots were jewing the hell out of us.
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>>111226306
As I said, printed media in Japan is generally pretty cheap.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's partly why events like Comiket can exist in the first place, it must be relatively inexpensive to get your shit printed too.
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>>111226279
Keep in mind that the cost of living in the States is dramatically cheaper.

Where I live, the cost of living is like $9.25 per hour full time.
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>>111226228
>>>/g/
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>>111225704
If only shipping wasn't so ridiculous.
>>
So I'm curious: Has there ever been a huge effort from Japanese companies to address or even acknowledge the popularity of their content outside of their country?

It's always seemed like they've just never paid much attention to it and let their distribution companies handle it for the meager profits they obtain from it.
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>>111226550
Use SAL. It's slow as fuck (2-3 weeks), but it'll save you lots of money.

Seriously, shipping from Japan isn't too bad. Buying stuff from places like Australia sucks.
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>>111216863
I would lose interest in watching anime if it was implemented severely. Being a poor fag, I could never afford buying the dvd/bd. Their lose if I get a job to support a day habit in the future after my lost of interest.
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>>111226655
In the 90ies, kids TV series were licensed in masses from Japan. In the 00s, US TV stations stopped doing that, and the money dried up. Only pirates are left. The end.
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>>111226550
As someone who imports a fair amount of artbooks, the shipping really starts to hurt.

At least they don't get hit with importation tax.
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>>111225979
why dont they just divide all their currency by like 1000 or so?
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>>111216863
Too bad Japan, its never going to happen.
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>>111226655
They are aware there is some level of popularity in the West, but they don't think it enough to get seriously involved in the market. Which is why companies like Funimation can continue to exist.
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So will streaming be affected?
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>>111226252
(Not that anon)
Besides TV airings for some things, there's never been a single anime or manga licensed in my country, so I've never bought anything.
I did, at some point, acquire VHS tapes for certain series from Spain, and a lot of stuff is licensed there nowadays, but I honestly don't feel any sort of drive to "support" a non-local licensing company (which is why I've never gotten anything from CPM, Geneon, Sentai (Fuck FUNi) or the like), not to mention the absurdly high rates for shipping. I recall that the old ADV Gasaraki set would have been almost double the price due to the fees alone (The exchange rates from U$D to my local currency are partly to blame).
I mean, I do love it when companies keep my country in mind: When battle of Gods premiered on Cinemas, I was there despite more-pricey-than-usual ticket, and when Legend of Sanctuary premiers on cinemas later this year (I heard this from the dub director himself) you can be damn sure I'll be there.
But otherwise? No, I don't care.

Besides, I'm terrible when it comes to re watching stuff, even things I like, so paying money for something I'll most likely never touch again or at least not any time soon is not exactly an attractive prospect.
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>>111226947
No, CR is legal. And I doubt anything will actually be affected. Piracy can't be controlled.
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Idiots, they can do a hell of a lot of damage this time as they have the backing of the government. Until now it's been solo companies and a few lawyers going around sending C&Ds. The manga crackdown of 2010 only had the backing of shueisha, now every studio and company is joining hands with the government.
Whatever is coming will make the disaster of 2010 from which we never recovered from and the fall of megaupload to seem like a walk in the park in comparison.
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>>111227073
If I can't watch it on TV, then I have to get it somehow. Japanese people don't have to pay to watch it once, I shouldn't either.
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>>111227136
Not CR, I'm talking random streaming sites like gogoanime.com or animeplus.tv.

Of course, I don't stream. I'm just curious.
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>>111227223
Literally who cares.
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>>111225704
>>111225860
the manga thing is a bit complicated as you can bet the localizer charge extra for license fee and translation.

western comic cost around the same, although we have colored but less colors.
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>>111227073
From what hell-hole you are, your poor soul?
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>>111227179
How stupid can you possibly be?
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>>111227179
Maybe this will teach the scanlation scene a good lesson and make them switch to torrents, since megaupload's death was not enough.
Even if nyaa was targeted and somehow killed the torrents and magnet links are still there, and it would be trivial to replace it.
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>>111227179
When they didn't have the backing of the government, you moron?
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If anime got any more popular in the west I would be concerned. I can only see it ending in actually enforced bans on loli and an increase in obnoxious weaboo faggots.
>>
>250 works
it's fucking nothing, probably all that licensed shit like code gayass and ttgl that is not even allowed on places like bakabt.
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If I can't watch Anime or read Manga for free. Why bother buying stuff related to it?
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>>111227298
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>>111227073
People shouldn't pay if they're still living in a poor country. They aren't their market target anyway.
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>>111227351
If TPB is still here after all these years, even after arrests have even been made, I don't think governments can really do anything about torrents. There's always a country to host in that doesn't give a shit about it.
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>>111227073
>When battle of Gods premiered on Cinemas,
I pirated the shit out of that and regret watching it, since it was a huge ad for upcoming DB crap, what ripoff, I should have been paid for watching it.
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>mfw Japan has literally turned the taxpayer funded police into corporate lapdogs to enforce criminalized copyright infringement and it still won't ever stop
>all this anti-piracy rhetoric only makes me want to pirate more and buy less out of spite
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>>111227524
I went to see BoG expecting some humor, action and overall having a good time.
And I did.

When people complain about how disappointing they found the movie, I honestly scratch my head thinking what they were expecting out of DB.
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>>111227429
Colombia?
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>>111220949
Considering that the vast majority of them are on another continent in a market that the anime industry doesn't give a fuck about, at least 99% of those downloaders wouldn't even have access to whatever it is they're downloading.

>But Crunchyroll
Without the interest that fansubs had created, nobody would have even known about anime outside of a small few that get butchered for local markets elsewhere. Nobody caring about anime = Crunchyroll getting no shekels to legitimately provide content in the first place.
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>>111227637
Yep.
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>>111226655
Aniplex has been doing a lot outside of Japan recently.
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>>111227587
Controlled piracy benefits the corporates, though. Maybe they're aiming for that. Like, after pirates have outlived their usefulness, they'll be v&.
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>>111227660
If I had to buy anime to watch it, being a NEET, I would just find something else to do. Probably something bad, like crime. Good job japan, you're raising the crime rate.
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>>111221860
How do you do that?
>>
Piracy will eventually kill art.
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>>111227429
Tough luck, niggah. Tough luck. Gunshots at all sides and can't even watch an anime before the bullets get to you.
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>>111227995
Good. Fuck art and fuck the millennials who get art degrees.
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>>111221635
>1.6TB
>archiving

T-this is bait, right?
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>>111227995
No it wont. Idiot.
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>>111227995
See >>111224602
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>>111223288
Yes and no.

Yes in a sense that people will buy if they liked it. No in a sense that if said person didn't like it or have no money to buy then they won't/can't.
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>>111220238
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>>111228037
>>111223631
Why don't see the issue?
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>>111227995
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>>111227995
VHS will kill movies.
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>>111226158
Me neither!
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>>111228092
>not archiving onto a 20TB+ NAS that's full to the brim

Fucking casuals man.
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>>111216863
Is this 2006?
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>>111227999
Hey, it's not that bad anymore.
I'll always chuckle when I hear someone saying that a city had 200 violent deaths during the year and that's considered high, when there used to be months when we had 5 times that in a capital city and everyone just shrugged their shoulders.
Still no anime or manga, though.
>>
Watch this video if you think pirating is detrimental to artists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI
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>>111227995
Mass media did that decades ago.
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>>111228173
I'm not a hoarder. I only maintain series that I liked enough to rewatch/reread every 6 months without ever getting tired of it. Of those, I hardly have 10GB of it. Anything else it's just cheap thrills, meant to be consumed swiftly and discarded just as fast.
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>>111228072
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>>111228260
Don't bring this nigger here. This fucker was the worst enemy of file sharers and completely 180 when it was the public opinion was getting to his ass. Also
>>>/co/
>>>/tumblr/
>>>/out/
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>>111228065
Missed the point. Once artists can no longer profit, the only viable jobs will be trades and other jobs that require the person.
>he's a nice college professor, I think i'll pirate him
>this archetype is wonderful, i will pirate him to renovate my house
>he's a good electrician/plumber/auto mechanic, I will pirate him
>she's an excellent accountant, I will pirate her
>this chef is amazing, I'll just pirate his food
Not possible. Vs
>this game/movie/album/painting/anime/tv show/book etc is great, so i'll pirate it
Get it?
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>>111227995
This has been said practically since the moment piracy became a thing.
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>>111228391
Maybe he learned his lesson. People change, anon.
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>>111228427
>Once artists can no longer profit
>implying they can profit now
The vast majority of artists do not actually live solely off of their work.
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>>111228427
Artist will get donations for free content. See patreon. Artist will get funded directly by the fans, see kickstarter.
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>>111228529
Ducking the issue. As expected of pirates.
>>111228512
Well then piracy has won. Congrats, one can no longer live off of their talent because of entitled Americans like you.
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>>111228258
I know how that feel. Hueland here. At least I got mangas, even though publishers sucks and don't maintain stock for more than 4 months.
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>>111227995
I, for one, welcome our new Pirate Art movement. Any other arts are old and busted.
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>>111228512

What do they do instead, work as waitresses?
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>>111226306
I live in 7/1 and that's the average price of a manga. We don't have too much titles available though.
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>>111228611
Stop trying to pretend that being an artist was ever profitable. People who create art do it because they want to not for money.
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>>111228665
Well yeah. They usually have a day job like that.

I mean do you really think the majority of painters actually sell enough of their art to pay their mortgage, food, etc.?
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>>111228611
Dude I am an artist. Patreon and kickstarter and donations are the future of working artist, not fucking copyright shit.
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>>111228611
>no longer
Artists never really did. The bigger comic book writers and artists and character creators, with the sole exception of Stan Leetard, barely made a dime out of their creations, while DC and Marvel were profiting big time. Plus, most artists, now and always, never could score big or never cared enough to try it, so they continued with regular jobs, doing their art as an hobby.
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>>111228427
>>111228427
Why should artists pursue profits? Are artists businessmen?
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So /a/, how do I go about creating an Archive? I mostly just download modern released, and delete once they get old, keeping only the select few I really like. But I want to start archiving them, getting all the anime possible, sorting them by year and all.

Where do I begin? How should I organize them, and how big of an external hard drive should I get?
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>>111228665
Either that or some other shitty job, or they do other freelance work like graphic design and coding.
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>>111228770
They make a product. They should be paid for their product. It's that simple.
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>>111228734
>I mean do you really think the majority of painters actually sell enough of their art to pay their mortgage, food, etc.?
This is why we need welfare, folks. Not more corporates.
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>>111228770
Artist need to eat too m8
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>>111228794
That dog is kawaii as fuck
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>>111228770
Some are. Anything that can turn a profit will have a jew to make a business out of it.
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>>111228734

It just seems you'd barely have any free time doing a day job as a waitress and then doing some art after that.
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>>111228818
You're mistaking artist for artisan (craftsmen).
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>>111228879
Art is a craft. Faggot.
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>>111228611
>Well then piracy has won. Congrats, one can no longer live off of their talent because of entitled Americans like you.
The majority of artists never fully lived off their work. That's the way it's been for fucking centuries. 95% of them worked day jobs, lived in their mum's basement or were shut away in a madhouse where they had plenty of free time. The remaining tiny minority did alright off of sales and patronage, but that's not particularly relevant when discussing the state of artists as a whole. Anyway, a minority of super-popular artists will remain able to survive off their art. Celebrity culture is entrenched enough that the top tiny popular percent will always do okay.
For example, consider painters, especially from about 1850 to 1930. Those fucks' paintings didn't even become valuable in the slightest until years after they were dead. What were they doing while they were alive? Not making any fucking money from their art. It's always been that way, piracy's not going to destroy some sacred self-sufficient "artist" subculture.
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>>111228848
Some of the best poets got their food from their friends.
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>>111228832
I never advocated for corporations. I'm quite wary of welfare though.

>>111228861
What do you mean? Work 8 hours a day and use your free time to paint or something. I work all the time, but I still find plenty of time to shitpost on 4chan.
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>>111228427
Skill-based professions will eventually be replaced entirely by automated systems, but that's irrelevant. People don't initially pirate because they like the content, but because there's a problem with the distribution channels that are (or aren't) available to them. High price, DRM, localization, whatever it may be. CR is a poor distributor because they use awful encoding, poor translations, and don't give a lot of freedom to viewers in how they can stream their content. Publishers and distributors that react appropriately to piracy and don't calculate everything as "lost sales" have the potential to thrive, e.g. >>111228529.

>>111228611
You're a really poor troll, by the way.
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>>111228794
You don't do it. That's a stupid or autistic thing to do, which explains why /ga/ like to do it so much. Only keep the things you truly enjoy. That's what gentlemen do.
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>>111228918
Well then maybe people should pay me in food!
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>>111228901
So are architecture and engineering.
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>>111228301
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>>111217822
Right?
Might as well just use Nyaa, private trackers, or Usenet anyways.
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>>111228908
What an interesting post.
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>>111228960
I would if you live near me. We can watch animu together and c-cuddle if you want
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>>111228931

Painting seems like work to me. When would I watch my anime?
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>>111228879
That doesn't matter. When some creates a product, in order for someone to get that product, they should have to pay the owner of said product. Period.
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If anyone actually read the article, this shit is targeted at Chinks bootlegging their shit more than westerners
They really don't give a shit about us
China is a lot larger of a market for their goods than we are
Just look at how many visual novels get translated into Chinese while we get nothing
We're good
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>>111228964
Novody said otherwise.
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>>111228794
The way I go about it is I think "would I be devastated or at least significantly put out if, for some reason, I was never able to watch this again if I didn't stash it away somewhere?". Shows that make that cut get a spot in the raid array.
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>>111228931
Are you implying shitposting actually requires work?
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>>111229027
Some people enjoy painting, anon. It's not a difficult thing to understand.
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>>111229032
>>111229032
Too bad. We also get our stuff from the Chinese most of the time.
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>>111229019
O-oh my!
If people are willing to reward artist like this... I dont mind!
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>>111228908
Disregard that retard you were replying to. He probably never visit nor get involved with any art scene whatsoever.
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>>111229032
>Just look at how many visual novels get translated into Chinese while we get nothing

Because learning Japanese while knowing Chinese is super easy.
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>>111229065
What? No.
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>>111228965
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>>111228939
Most people who pirate anime are literally watching CR rips, so you're wrong.
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>>111229032
There's also only 250 "affected works." This is just distributors using scare tactics again with the mask of some government shills.
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In an ideal world, someone creates a product, and if that product is good, people pay for it. The people who create the best product or poses the most wanted skills make the most money. Too bad pirates had to ruin this wonderful system of capitalism.
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>>111229101
When I know enough japanese to be able to translate, I'm not going to waste all of my time translating for you lazy fucks who don't just learn it yourself.
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>>111229123
Art in general is. You spend so much time actually just getting to fucking startline that, when you actually do and it's finally the time to actually have some fun, you already grew tired of it. Talking from experience here.
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>>111229065
No, just time. If you're able to dick away your life shitposting every evening after finishing your shitty 9-5 soul-killing job, you're damn well able to pick up a paintbrush or a pen if we weren't all useless sacks of shit
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>>111229101
Not really. Only in terms of familiarity kanji. Everything else is very very different
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>>111229159
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>>111229029
It's true, but you're talking about economics, not artistic subject.
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>>111229206
See >>111229199
Art isn't an walk in the park, son.
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>>111229145
Which ultimately means there is something wrong with the way they distribute. It doesn't necessarily have to be the quality of the content they distribute, be it encoding or translation. Price, access, quality? They still force you to watch episodes through their shitty Flash player. It's different for every user and I'm sure there are other reasons.
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>>111229159
People need to get on board with the way things are now. You don't sell a product anymore, you sell the rights to third parties who will stream it on the end user's TV for a cheap sub fee. This is the future of all media. People will pay this small fee because it's practically nothing, and it's more convenient for them than torrenting. No waiting.
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>>111229132
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>>111229199
You aren't everybody. Some people enjoy painting and do so as a hobby. Just walk into any fucking local art shop and you can see this. Just because you got sick of it doesn't mean that everyone else did. Jesus.
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>>111228391
With his accent I'll listen to anything he says.
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>>111220587
>a few hundred yen

Per episode, I bet.
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>>111229254
see >>111229313
Maybe art, or that specific form of art, just isn't for you. The point is there are obviously people out there who enjoy it enough for its own sake to spend their free time on it. That's been true for about as long as art has existed.
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>>111223445
Then get the fuck out of here, scum.
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>>111229231
>lalalalalala my fingers are in my ears lalalalala can't hear you lalalala
Get a clue kiddo. The other day I was in NYC driving around aimlessly. I went by Little Italy and I saw this pizza place. I went in, said "how much for a large pepperoni?" Dude said $20. Sweet, I waited, got my pizza, handed him the money. BOOM. Smooth, clean, mutually beneficial transaction. He made my pizza, and he got PAID for it. This is how the world should work. But thieves like you ruin everything.
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>>111229313
>>111229387
I never said everyone was like me. I was telling what my experiences were, because people seem to have this perception that art it's easy, at least where I come from.
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>>111220829
>>111220964
xdcc batch range or numbers
most of the bots i've tried support this command
examples:
xdcc batch 1-3
xdcc batch 4,6,8
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>>111229159
Of course, it doesn't necessarily need any publishers or anything. If you can financially support the artists directly, then it's fine. But it doesn't happen most of the time, and nobody tries doing that. Instead, publishers act similarly to Soviet art committees and dictate whatever it is should be done by the artists. Or else it's debt time.
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>>111229252
Art can be a product.
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>>111224422
Anime is the objectively superior medium.

Manga is nothing but Anime at an early stage of production.
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>>111229421
I never said anything about art being easy.
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>>111229421
Fair enough, but don't conflate not easy with not enjoyable. The original point was that people are perfectly capable of working a fulltime job and still having time to produce art, which is demonstrably true.
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>>111223288
I buy physical copies of everything I really enjoy.

Lucky for me, most anime is shit
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>>111229478
I know that and envy those people a lot.
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>>111229391
I can't wait for fiat money to crash and burn. Capitalism will crumble at the feet of cryptocurrencies.
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>>111229441
Conceptually speaking, artistic product/objects are not the same with economic product. Economical value is accidental to artistic products. Of course it can, but it is treated as an economic product.
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>>111229391
>lalalalalala my fingers are in my ears lalalalala can't hear you lalalala
>Copying media is the same as physically stealing something

If I can't buy that pizza, I won't steal it, but if I can somehow get an exact copy without taking away that man's and making it impossible for him to sell it to those who'd actually pay for it, then why not?

Also, the way you write bother me greatly, for some reason.
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>>111223288
IF it's good. IF there's official translations around. IF I have money. IF I'll eventually learn japanese and not worry about translations. Big IFs.
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>>111229421
If shit is hard I enjoy it, because I feel awesome after creating that.
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>>111229586
Why not? Because the man worked, and he deserves to be paid you entitled little Amerifat.
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>>111229621
Good for you. I can't. Frustration has a way to get to me.
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>>111229642
The retards that infest this board, everyone.
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>>111228832
>We need welfare to ensure that painters, DJs, musicians, animators and directors who contribute nothing to society can still push out trite nonsense.

>inb4 paintings have any value besides kindling
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>>111229546
It sounds like you need to branch out more. I felt that way a while ago while I was trying to do something that wasn't very enjoyable, even though it was definitely artistic. I moved around and experimented with different things until I hit on a form of art I could genuinely enjoy spending time on. Give it a shot.
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>>111229683
You're jerking off to paintings.
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>>111229391
This is a gross simplification of economic transaction. A bad example. You're ignoring currency value, for starter.
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>>111229586
>but if I can somehow get an exact copy without taking away that man's
You can already do this, by baking a pizza of your own.

This is basically exactly what piracy is.

What people don't want to acknowledge is that "intellectual property" is literally nothing but the government selling your personal freedoms to the highest bidder.
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>>111229676
If I am a retard for believing that people should be paid for their product, then I will gladly be a retard. Only poorfags think otherwise so it's not like your thoughts on this topic matter anyway. Go wait for your next welfare check.
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>>111229683
That isn't how welfare works. You determine it from the capabilities and potentials, not making causality from past track records. Society isn't static like that.
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>>111217368
Seriously, I don't want to demean anime I enjoy it very much, but to say the producers of some of these shows see it as an ad for the manga and figures and other merchandise is fairly accurate. You think they'd take any free advertising they could get in that case.
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CAN'T STOP THE SIGNAL, MAL
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>>111229722
Explain to me why my example is an ineffective means of conveying my point.
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>>111221627

Yes I would.

I would absolutely pirate a loli.
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>>111229777
They do get paid by people who don't want to jump through hoops to get a copy of their product. Which is why the best way to counteract piracy is providing a more convenient and value-added service to your potential customers so that they can easily pay for and obtain your product without resorting to piracy. That's the reason Steam is so successful.
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>>111229810
Better cough up 50 cents every time you see a commercial anon, those guys need to eat too.
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hey guys don't mind me, I'm just going to pirate this gun from this hard working gunsmith. Does he get to put food on his table? lel, like i give a shit.
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>>111229737
No baking a pizza on your own requires other products you need to buy first. If you can COPY it then it means nothing was lost but more was made out of nothing,
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>>111229777
But what if you're not the demographic target?
Anime is a great example of this.

I've never watched Princess Knight simply because I don't feel like buying the DVDs, nor from Japan or Nozomi Ent.
So what If someone decides to upload it and I watch it then?
Who's being affected? Who's losing sales?
Not Japan, definitively, and neither Nozimi.
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>>111229937
Nobody here was going to pay any money to the anime studios anyway.

All localization companies can go bankrupt for all I care.
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>>111229710
Sorry if I will sound like a dick, but I don't see any point of me doing that. I'm only interested in a very small subset of the art spectrum. Everyone else can enjoy all of it if that's what they want and more power to them if they do, but, personally, I'm not interested. If can't enjoy the small subset I'm interested in, I can't any real reason for to participate in the arts' field.
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>>111221635
>archiving shitty anime
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>>111229937
I would download a gun.
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>>111229937
>implying people don't already to that with 3D printers.
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>>111221627
what if it is a pirate loli?
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>>111229297
Fuck. Out of images.
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>>111229924
That's the thing though, even the TV stations who are missing ad revenue aren't really because most of the people downloading don't live where the show is broadcast, unless you watch live streams of everything which obviously no sane person does.

It seems tough to justify it being a bad thing
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>>111230122
Then she deserves it.
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>>111230111
Because every person in the world has a $3000 3D printer
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>>111229937
>implying you can walk into a gun store and magically replicate a gun for essentially no cost while leaving the original

I can't wait until I turn 30 and get wizard powers, too.
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>>111221635
It's unnecessary. Nothing is going to happen.
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>>111230199
>$3000
I bought one for 1800. Never had problems with it.
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>>111230023
>"It is OK to steal as long as you never intended to pay in the first place."
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>>111229876
There's so much simplification from your post. You're treating as if every economic transaction doesn't have what is usually called 'market' and any distributing agents. You're treating as if economic relationships solely involve producers and consumers (micro-market). This is terribly insufficient. Another one that I mentioned was you didn't count the value of currencies, which would fuck up the transaction evaluation. Dude said 20$, but what if it's a huge amount for a real 'food' product?

We're only talking about microeconomics here. If it's macro then your example gets worse.
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>>111230264
>steal
>copy
two different things
>you
>faggot
the same thing
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>>111229937
He could just pirate the food.
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>>111230258
Oh, you mean that shitty plastic gun. I still doubt people are going to spend 1800 to print a plastic gun when they can get 2-3 perfectly good real ones for the same price
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>>111230264
Steal =/= Copy.
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>>111230308
>>"It is OK to pirate as long as you never intended to pay in the first place."
The point remains the same
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>>111230275
>You're treating as if economic relationships solely involve producers and consumers (micro-market).
And that's the way it was. That is the way it should be. My post conveys this point just fine.
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>>111222450
Did you watch Outbreak Company from HS? The typesetting was very good and so were the translations. Whoever did that needs to be hired back. Clearly they don't work at CR anymore with what passes as a release these days.
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Piracy is completely illegal no matter what you say.
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>>111230450
Yes it is, its ok to watch a copy you never intended to buy anyway.
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>>111230484
Edgy kids don't care about the law.
>>111230491
No it's not. You aren't entitled to a product you don't want to pay for.
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>you wouldnt pirate water
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>>111230491
So it is ok if i come over and rape your asshole then rob you as long as I dont take your asshole with me when I leave?

What is your street address again?
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>>111230553
Yes, yes I would.
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>>111230553
You missed the opportunity to make a good joke
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>>111230559
Its ok if you can copy an exact same replica of my asshole and then rape it.
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>>111230164
nope
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>If only somehow I can replicate the woman of my dreams....
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>>111230526
>You aren't entitled to a product you don't want to pay for.
I disagree. My condolences.
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>>111230559
Is creating stupid comparisons that completely miss the point the only way you people can argue about piracy?

No, raping me would greatly hurt both physically and psychologically, but if you could somehow create an exact replica of my asshole, which in no way would actually affect me, then yes, rape it to your heart's content.
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>>111230714
Petulant, narcissistic little fuck.
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What would you do if you saw on the news that Daiz got arrested for hosting Nyaa?
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>mfw this faggot wants you to pay a royalty every time you sing happy birthday
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>punishments of up to 10 years in prison for uploaders, knowingly downloading copyright-infringing material became an offense carrying a potential two years in jail
If this isn't fucked up I don't know what is.
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>>111230714
The internet generation everyone. I am glad I will be dead by the time you little fucks start to have influence
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>>111230800
Maybe we can go back to using tokyo toshokan then.

Also, good, fuck Daiz.
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>>111230800
Get him out with my connections.
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>>111229642
>the man worked, and he deserves to be paid

No, work does not automatically equal value. Value is determined by what people are willing to pay. No matter how hard you work, if no one's willing to pay you for it then it's worth jack shit.
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>>111230843
Fuck off grandpa. Its time for your happy pills.
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>>111230871
So what happens when you kids decide that nothing has any value because you want everything for free?
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>>111230843
>>111230772
>>111229642
>>111230559
It's just one retard samefagging with his insults and weak arguments.
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>>111222897
>preserve what it sees as one of its greatest cultural exports.
Kek, there are tons of articles about the government trying to stop NEETdom and loli
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>>111230843

Jesus Christ what are you 70?

Get the fuck out gramps.
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