>Shin Megami Tensei IV: Final announced
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I, the just and merciful YHVH dictate that you must each purchase Genei Ibun Roku #FE.
>You mean those dungeons full of dead ends, labyrinthine corridors, high encounter rate
and the random battles were braindead easywith 90% of the chests being shit you don't need or that aren't worth the time?
Wow you just described SMT 1&2 dungeons.
>but the dungeon designs in IS are the worst in the Persona games.
They arent, they are the best. Random shit is the most brainless way to do dungeons that only fits for those games were you are supposed to die a lot.
They were designed that way just like any old school SMT, this general surprise then again i have heard people bitching at DDS dungeon or SJ dungeons.
pls go back to /pg/ and stay there.
He's right though. You could literally auto-battle your way through IS and the only interesting dungeon was the cave.
The story made up for it though.
In terms on dungeon design, P4 has the edge in its subseries. Not that this says much.
>You could literally auto-battle your way through IS
Just like SMt 1&2? Whoa.
>P4 has the edge in its subseries
Okay now go back to /pg/ to waifutalk if you dont care about dungeon crawling.
>Comparing a PS1 dungeon with rudimentary dungeons of SMTI and II
Can't you fucking see the problem? They took a step back for the dungeon from P1 to P2 and when back to barebones dungeon designs.
>They arent, they are the best. Random shit is the most brainless way to do dungeons that only fits for those games were you are supposed to die a lot.
They ARE the worst. Literally the only Persona with good dungeon design is the first one.
>bitching at DDS dungeon or SJ dungeons.
DDS and SJ are infinitely better dungeons than P2 and they are a lot better than P1's too.
>pls go back to /pg/ and stay there.
Why the fuck would I go there, you retard? Can't you argue like a man instead of crying and trying to make the problem go away?
Honestly, considering the quality of the gameplay and the dungeon designs in P2, it would be just better that Atlus had made IS and EP a VN, since the story, music and characters are the only good things about P2.
and the spritework too.
Anyone there know good strat for Satan on DDS2? I had no problem with Hitoshura and the majority of SMT superbosses but Satan i can't kill no matter how many 999 i store.
I don't wanna resort to that 3 turn kill luck based strat... Resetting on Open Loader isn't a easy thing to do (an error on the necessary timing and i have to wait 5 minutes to load the game again).
Fate levels don't really matter that much in Tri-Arc, if you got max before.
The condition for the endings is doing all events for the respective characters I think.
That said considering the Alcor edning was something that I thought would have been cool in DeSu2 was honestly kinda mediocre.
>picking strength in SMTIV
Son of Man do you even physical/gun skill
I agree a 100% with you anon. You have my vote.
I wonder how big Edgy-kuns Mara will be.
You know, i actually find this stupid frog funny. I wish we had more.
No, we're just bored and posting dank memes
Well, let's switch back to game discussion then. I just made it to the protag's double in Alaya Cavern in P1. How close am I to beating the game (or the SEBEC route at least)?
But anon, I had so many memes to spare.
Ok, I stopped. And you're really close.
Thanks. I figured as much. I don't get why people shittalk P1. I've actually enjoyed the dungeons, battle system, and cast.
Back to /pg/, friend.
hey, it's my childhood freinds, Holla Atme and Pimpin Hat, Man
SMT X Spiral Knights
One is with Sega, other is with Sammy.
Combine Zelda-esque game play with demons.
World of LUK with Pulsar.
that thread on /v/ brought back raw memories
OR here, I love it. Thank you drawanon if you're in this thread
YHVH heard my prayers and my PC was brought back to life somehow. (>>126912942)
Maybe now I'll finally finish that shit. Happy new year /smtg/. May IV-Final be good, better than we expect it to be.
Santa Claus as a recruitable demon when?
What's the consensus on the Majin Tensei games? Better or worse SRPGs that Devil Survivor?
Marry us, we can keep one another on life support.
Which games have instant game overs when the protagonist dies?
Some of you guys are alright, go to the Shinjuku medical center tomorrow.
Devil Survivor Series doesn't have Insta Game Overs as well.
And btw SMT2 you could die if you mother was still alive.
I didn't had the interest about the other SNES era games even tough i liked SMT2.
>Go on the /v/ SMT thread
>People crying about SJW's
>People saying Nocturne killed SMT and that it had no story
>People calling SJ a hipster game
>People defending Persona 4
>People shitting on Dicks
Worse than Youtube comments.
>Go on the SMT thread
>one or two shitposters, some people taking the bait
>lots of praise for Nocturne's gameplay, music
this >/vg/-is-so-much-better-than-/v/ meme is getting boring
I'll protect the memes. Even if it costs me my life.
I'll reroll for your sake.
0-4 kill self
7-9 become the sideburns
Pic related happened in a /pg/ thread several months ago. It was hype.
>hurr dur, but /vg/ is a containment board for circlejerking and tripfags
>le cherry picked /smtg/ mass group masturbation.jpg
>you only like SMT because you are an edgy fedorafag!
I'm getting fed up with that board and the general 4chan attitude of shitposting and baiting on default.
You guys and
/trv/are surprisingly ok, but I think I'm growing out of this site.
That's wrong. /smtg/-tan wears a demonica (with no helmet) has Isabeau haircut, has the demi-fiends tats and has a smt 1 COMP monocle.
im glad you like it
which one do I draw tonight /smtg/
Xi Wangmu, Hua Po, Ame no Uzume or Nekomata
doing all of those (ame, hua and neko)
lewd or not i dont mind, as long as its not autistic (futa, piss, diaper, etc)
except that its not in the choices
Raidou didn't even exist when Nocturne Dante Edition came out.
The game gives you an extra press turn if you finish all the Amala boss refight things under a certain number of turns.
You fucking retard, this >>127301989
and Dante came in the Maniax edition, which is what we got, and it was Atlus asking Capcom to borrow him since he'd fit well in the Nocturne universe.
Raidou came in Maniax+
>No demon compendium
I don't think I could ever go back to that after Overclocked.
>No Compendium and lacks a great number of skills and demons
>class of heroes 1
Go for EO.
>I stole it and have physicals of the other two.
I wouldn't play them anyway. I pirated them on the PSP and I want all those hours back. They're simply not worth it.
But nocturne did kill smt. It ruined its chances to have interesting new story content by failing so hard that now no one even tries. SK and IV both had less story than II or arguably even I, but with more cutscenes.
He honestly fits horribly in the nocturne universe. His job is to protect the world. Why would he be acting this casual about it ending? And you can only get him on the demon end (unless you only finish most of the dungeon for some reason). His job is literally protecting humans from demons.
>But nocturne did kill smt.
While I understand what you're pointing out, Nocturne had a very interesting world and atmosphere. Just for that, the game is awesome and saves it from killing SMT.
>expect lewd hand holding
>it's just gay porn
Dodged a bullet there.
Its atmosphere came off like it was a good idea, but executed lazily. The sides came off like random demon thrown on randomly. I can believe that a group of angels are pseudo-chaos now, but the demons working with hikawa looked like they were chosen at random. And throwing the important angels on yosuga just seemed odd. Especially since yosuga called kagutsuchi an arrogant god, too. Which makes no sense unless the implication is that they are rogue angels. But then is metatron not rogue? Who does metatron side with? Does he care, as long as the world is remade?
Yeah, I won't deny what you said. Everything looked somewhat confusing for those that are more into the SMT. Personally, since it was my first SMT, it didn't look so bad. I'd bet it was due to the budget or something. It was their first time handling the PS2 after all.
Still, a lot of the core story/plot elements were extremely interesting. The execution was lacking though.
I'd bet a remake
not a portof Nocturne would fix a lot of stuff that's wrong.
>i got demotivated.
I can sympathize. Sometimes /smtg/ makes me feel like shit because everyone keeps bitching that game X or Y or Z sucks. Heck, it almost sounds like no one likes SMT games here, except me.
I just have a severe lack of gud it makes me feel fucking trash. Gale is best character but I get constantly roadblocked in digital devil saga 1. Currently up to the lupa fight I think. I just wish I knew the like 'average' level to be doing some of the content is.
i used to spend like 18hrs/day in generals then i suddenly just lost all motivation to do anything. a lot of the generals i used to go to were just full of circlejerking or negativity.
i'm trying to work up to getting back into dds. what game are you playing currently?
>a lot of the generals i used to go to were just full of circlejerking or negativity.
I agree but then again, if I had a better place to discuss the games I like I wouldn't be here so there's that.
i hope you're enjoying it. have you beaten
matadoryet? i have been meaning to try it but i heard it's difficult so i have been putting it off until i finish the smts i currently have and persona 4
that's the thing though, most generals don't even discuss their games anymore. this is one of the only generals ive found comfortable. even if there was a better place, i doubt i could adapt. i've been on 4chan since the beginning, the whole interface just feels right to me, i wouldn't last a second on a forum.
>I just have a severe lack of gud
It's only a matter of playing more SMT and RPGs in general anon. I remember when I first played Nocturne it was hard as fuck.
/smtg/ was my general and the other ones I go to are nearly ded, ded or simply slow s fuck.
Count me in too. Been on 4chan for 10 or 11 years now. The interface is just right, specially nowadays. I seriously can't leave here and discuss whatever in a forum.
And I also like to think that we're friends, at least in this general. So I can't leave my friends.
i left bbg when the dlc came out because i can't play it. now my ps4 just collects dust sadly.
it's just infuriating to feel close to victory then die to crits or something dumb like that.
isnt she supposed to be the healer though? it's been a while since i played.
>I don't use Argilla for that reason.
Why not? I used her and Gale and never had any problem in DDS1.
>it's just infuriating to feel close to victory then die to crits or something dumb like that.
There's a passive that reduces chances of getting crited in the physical/hunt branch.
>isnt she supposed to be the healer though? it's been a while since i played.
Yeah, kind of. you can make whoever you want your healer though. She has high MA and LU and reasonable AG and VI.
>She gets less karma than other characters. Heat gets less exp too.
Seriously? I never noticed that, outside of the beginning where she doesn't get karma. Is that stated somewhere?
You should have noticed if you were paying attention.
Even if you don't notice just because you probably have Argilla on different paths than other people, heat should be 2-3 levels below everyone else.
>Man I want to have a skype group for /smtg/
B-but I'm too shy, anon.
Yeah, my Argilla usually was always changing paths
healing, zan, mudo, hamaunlike my Serph and Gale, so maybe that's why I never noticed. I never used Heat in DDS1 though.
I wouldn't mind creating a skype group and just leave my id for anons to add if they wanted to join but as I said in the previous post I'm just scared it kills the thread because people will talk in skype instead of here.
I'll help you become bolder anon!
Maybe you have a lewd mind!
I doubt we're all much more than spergs but I'm still sure we'd manage our own talking about what we like with people who like it as well!
>Maybe you have a lewd mind!
Actually, I do.
>I doubt we're all much more than spergs but I'm still sure we'd manage our own talking about what we like with people who like it as well!
But we already have this general for that, though.
I have no idea what Tox is. Maybe I am the pleb.
>Actually, I do.
I knew it.
>But we already have this general for that, though.
Suppose you're right.
the fuck is tox
i used to be pretty self-conscious about how socially retarded i am but i was reminded lately there are worse people in the world.
also gale because why the fuck not
Let's remain in this general for now, anon. Maybe one day if 4chan is on the brink of shutting down we'll join up.
My main problem is that I suck at talking english. And I'm too shy to actually practice it with online games or chats or whatever.
fair enough. id try ti out if i felt the need to.
god gale is best character. really makes me need to play more. whats your native language friend?
we're just fantasizing, very unlikely to follow through.
Like I said:>>127324037
>Let's remain in this general for now, anon. Maybe one day if 4chan is on the brink of shutting down we'll join up.
It's just a matter of what Hiroshima intends to do with 4chan.
>god gale is best character. really makes me need to play more. whats your native language friend?
My favorite character too. Love his design.
>Man I want to have a skype group for /smtg/ but then the thread would truly become dead.
Anon, I said I knew it was a bad idea from the start.
Are you from /vp/?
Podias praticar comigo se necessário ;^)
most of all these presidential candidates want to destroy Internet anonymity and freedom, and hiroshimoot won't care enough to fight them on it.
we have a few years at best :/
only the supreme court actually doing its job and telling congress/president to fuck off can save us
Every single time man.
Obrigado pela oferta, mas mesmo assim tenho ganhar é tomates para começar a praticar. E sempre que eu quis me meter num curso de inglês para melhorar a minha fala acontece sempre alguma cena e já não consigo ir. Enfim.
What? Really? Oh, shit. That doesn't bode well for 4chan's future.
>how do you say butterfly? can you vocaroo it or something?
Wha? But-her-flai, right?
I'm too shy anon.
Melhorei a fala bastante quando comecei a falar com estrangeiros. É estranho de inicio mas habituas-te rapidamente. Boa sorte!
Get used to saying specific words because "portuguese accent is so fun"
>i meant in portugese, my bad
I suck at saying it in portuguese though. Seriously. I can't pronounce the "L" sound decently.
Ya, o meu problema é ser estranho, mas eu sou tímido de qualquer forma, mesmo a falar em português com outras pessoas. Um dia tenho de começar mesmo a treinar.
I can do it for you if you really need it. I'm portuguese too if that works.
Aight, no pressure. Offer still stands if you ever need a hand.We'll see each other around as usual!
I said Borboleta so many times it sounds awkward now.
I've bought Monster Hunter 4 recently and I've been busy playing with friends so I'm still at Day 3. I like to take my SMT's slowly but I should probably show it a little more love.
It's Metelek in ucranian if you want to know and Babochka in russian. Just asked my gf.
A lot. The worst is the waiting or getting the games with bugs and shit. Even worse on the 3DS because of the region lock
no anymore thanks to regionthree though.
Personally, I don't care much about the story in general, be it SMT or any other game, so I don't avoid the general.
It's pretty comfy, yeah. All if you guys are pretty awesome.
No problem. They're pronounced exactly as I wrote them by the way.
>i feel revitalized i might actually play dds.
Good luck, anon. If you get stuck or something post here and we'll give you a hand.
i'm currently level 33 about to fight lupa, i forget a lot of his mechanics, i don't remember which head to prioritize etc.
Reminds me of how fanbases of cartoons about love, friendship and tolerance have the most terrible people.
good thing I never cared about MLP or Steven Universe
Same for me, I was just enjoying the Persona games on my own and found /smtg/ after I started SMT IV. I think I'll avoid the Internet in general and not just 4chan once Persona 5 will be released in the West, same thing for SMT IV Final.
Its localizing practices suck because the games being only in English means that they're hard, if not impossible, to find in stores. They don't want to try and fail to sell games that almost nobody can play after all. So it makes it difficult for people to find out about the series by chance. This is why I only started playing thanks to Persona. Some people here might complain about Persona being too mainstream and thus attracting a new audience with shit taste and whatever but I found the ones I played fun and it allowed me to discover other megaten games.
Equip Sukunda, Tarunda and Null/Absorb Fire. It helps immensely. I don't really remember how I dealt with Lupa other than weakening him and bashing away with my Serph with AoE physical skills.
Being in australia is even worse because we're part of europe regions wise but only have english. Before the region lock our local gba/ds games were often the american versions and sometimes released earlier than europe but since 3ds that's not the case.
i really wish i had that crit reducing passive by now. got crit on the first round and killed myself with counterstrike. i'm super rusty. i have fire drain up at all times. i'm slowly remembering the fight now, the left head heals. i remember some bullshit involving mudo so i got null mudo on gale.
>killed myself with counterstrike
If you Sukunda enough, Lupa will miss like 75% of the times he attacks/counters. Otherwise you can also use Sukukaja two times for better evasion.
>the left head heals
Oh, shit. That's right. Focus on that one first or the battle will drag on unnecessarily.
Remember to have some Dis Stone items ready because he can petrify pretty often. Also, yeah, I remember one of the heads having Mamudo and another Mahama, but it's really rare for them to use them.
Yup, you really need someone there since you'll eventually need Debilitate or Dekaja or Dekunda. I recommend your third character since Gale is an excellent magic user and Serph should be your offensive powerhouse.
i've been using serph to punch bitches while skilling up the agi tree too because my girlfriend told me it nulls his weakness when it's maxed out.
is there a way to analyze enemies like in persona or do i have to remember all the enemy weaknesses? ive forgotten a huge amount of mechanics since i last played, all i remember is being able to 'pass' your turn over to other members.
>i've been using serph to punch bitches while skilling up the agi tree too because my girlfriend told me it nulls his weakness when it's maxed out.
She's correct. In the last elemental mantra you'll obtain the [Element] Resist passive.
>is there a way to analyze enemies like in persona or do i have to remember all the enemy weaknesses?
There's a skill called literally Analyze. It's the only way to know the enemy's elemental attributes.
Means we should just merge with /cgg/
Means they couldn't get Knuckles to join in.
Are Phoenix Wright and Demi-Fiend distant relatives?
Depends. How many friends has he killed?
10/10. Nice catch, anon.
But Nirvana, anon.
>all those /smtg/ memes on there
>i like butterflies.
And I like Dogs, Turtles and Armadillos, that doesn't mean I want to know how you say them in other languages. I just thought you may have some kind of special reason.
Dai Gyakuten Saiban localized when?
This means what it means.
Toaster legs are cool.
I knew it. I'm sorry about that though. Did you guys move very far away from each other?
Sounds rough, anon. Hope you guys can manage a long distance relationship. Hang in there.
At least that's NOT so far away, though. Trips can still be pretty costly nonetheless, I presume. Anyway, hope the best for you guys. Hang in there. Now we better stop because it's completely off-topic.
Okay, anon. Feel free to post around to pass time though.
I want to transfer SMT IV and DeSu Overclocked on a new SD card, so that when I get DeSu2 Record Breaker and SH, I can have all of them on only one SD card. I think it's better to wait until sales for both games even though I'm European because I'll only buy new games in a very long time. Do you guys think it's a good idea? It's not too risky, right? Because the nintendo website won't stop saying to be careful for each step to follow. I'm asking this because even if I delete all the games I have downloaded on my 3ds I'll never have enough space to download DeSu2.
I'm really tired, I hope what I wrote makes sense
This doesn't bother me, especially for Hikawa because he's a strong Devil Summoner, i'm sure he could get any demon to join up with him.
Chiaki getting help from the angels is stupid, i guess the Archangels fought Demifiend because he's Lucifer's new pet, but it was just an excuse so we could have a Archangel boss fight.
I like the atmosphere of Nocturne, i think it's perfect. It's really easy to immerse yourself in that game. The combat in Nocturne is also a huge step up from the old games and the soundtrack is excellent. If i were to complain about one aspect of the game is that you can't side with YHVH, probably because he's siding with the reasons, which is odd when you look at Chiaki's reason for example. Also the Kalpas weren't edgy enough.
>I like the atmosphere of Nocturne, i think it's perfect. It's really easy to immerse yourself in that game.
It's one of the strongest aspects of the PS2-era SMT games and arguably of all the SMT games.
>The combat in Nocturne is also a huge step up from the old games
Running the risk of being called a nocturnebabby, I still consider the Press Turn system to be the most flexible and fun turn-based system.
Press turn is the best. I wish more SMT games had it.
Me too. I thought Atlus had abandoned Press Turns until IV came along and used it. And now FINAL is using it too. I don't mind some different approaches Atlus does though, like SJ's demon Co-op. In fact, I would very well enjoy some sort of fusion between PT and Demon Co-op.
Check off all the Atlus games you have actually beaten
http://strawpoll.me/6440239 Part 1
http://strawpoll.me/6440241 Part 2
I think it's sound nice. It probably would take some tweaking for it to work decently though. Just make the enemies activate Co-op too, unlike SJ, please.
If you have the money, you should. Otherwise the 3DS emulator is actually still going along. Mostly depends if you wanna play on the go.
While I have Deadly Wind, Trisagion, High Force Pleroma and Null Light for Plasma in IV, what should I replace for Megidoplasma?
Trisagion to focus on 2 elements or High Force Pleroma for more coverage?
>tfw your favorite atlus game isn't even a megaten game
Dunno, then. I would go for Force Pleroma but if you have High Fire Pleroma available go for it.
I'll never understand what people see in Radiata's battle system. Story is pretty nice but fuck the whole game and the battle system in particular lack a lot of polish.
>I would go for Force Pleroma but if you have High Fire Pleroma available go for it.
Already got it fused, so I wondered what I should replace when it gets Megidoplasma through leveling
The PSP version is a bit more balanced and easier both in terms of gameplay and negotiation. Though I haven't played through the SS version if only because Saturn emulation kind of sucks, and I don't know if I have the time to do so on my hard copy.
I dunno mang, I don't speak Jap, only katakana for spells and items and shit.
It's pretty simple, Sid Davis wants to fuck up the town for power, your qt GF is the ancient reincarnation of some Chinese princess, Kyouji is an asshole and surprise, most of the dickhead government is demons.
I'm playing it right now but whenever I click out of the emulator with my DS4 plugged in, the fucking up/down input freaks the fuck out.
When did this general become a small group of circlejerkers trying to exodus what's left into some shitty skype group? No wonder it died here. It's a sad day when my preferred SMT discussion is on reddit or gamefaqs.
I guess I should go the Reiko route since I'd probably only replay this for Charlie and Akira.