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Butch dyke thread: >>5681569
'cause I'm a B I T C H
>tfw I would be a small but shoulders make me have to wear a large
What are going to do on this wonderful morning you filthy meatbags?
Fuck! I missed the butch dyke edition.
Good morning. Does anyone else's voice go a little deeper after they have sex, drink alcohol, or smoke? Mine does. I find myself talking aloud to get it in a suitable range. Guessing my neighbors think I'm a nut if they can hear me through the walls.
Moving back to my grandparents house to dodge homelessness. I keep telling myself it's not a step backward..
I'll finally have food though. Can you imagine? I get to eat something that isn't rice or beans!
Good luck with all that. Could end up being a rewarding experience for you all.
Headed to the library to read and write until the sun goes down. I don't have to study too hard but if I get it done now then it will completely be off my mind later :) Trying not 2 be gigantic procrastinatorrrrrr
or 3.) neither just continue to play the worlds loudest violin for yourself
I won't enjoy my day at work either.
Working on stupid bowl day sucks
I can't, my parents are totally finally divorced and step dad is out of my life and state on the 20th so I have to either move into a smaller place with my insane mom or live in the room I rented in orange country.
So the weekend is almost over. How was your weekend /mtfg/? What are you plans for the week?
It was good! Stayed out late on Friday drinking with friends and grinded on some straight guys who had no idea, lol. Hung out with ex yesterday and did some shopping with her. It's silly but we almost constantly make eachother laugh. We watched Peep Show at her place and she wanted me to stay but I can't get involved again for the wrong reasons.
This week I plan on attending my classes and doing what I need 2 do to pay bills.
I need to shorten my replies, fuvk.
Tell me about your week/weekend? :)
My weekend was pretty good. Had a friend visiting from down south, so everyone got together for that on Saturday night which was pretty gucci. I had a pretty bad day today, just feeling really shit about myself, but I'm better now, so :thumbs:. I have Monday off work,I've got speech pathologist, 2nd laser treatment and psych, all in one day. So that is pretty crazy, but I'm looking forward to it.
Cool. I'm glad you feel better. Does a speech pathologist make your vocals more femme? If so, I'm jealous.
I have no idea. I've only seen them once and we didn't really do any training. It was all measuring my vocal range and stuff (Which apparently I have a good vocal range but maybe she was hugboxing me). She will give me actual training stuff and advice tomorrow. The first session was more of a consultation/analysis.
Maybe not you, but fuck. You're just starting and listening to retarded cis memesters who would love nothing more than to think their sick, distorted understanding of biology is some sort of god-given truth.
The only magic hrt does is on your body and dysphoria. It won't make you not depressed if you are, and it won't put your life on the rails alone.
I didn't speak a 'female' note. She just asked to say things like 'aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa', 'nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo' and 'eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee' for as long as I could, slowly increasing volume and pitch as possible in my natural (male) voice. She just said I had really good results for range. I still naturally have really masculine voice so maybe she was just saying I had potential because get clients, get dosh.
You can't hugbox with a tuner.
I stood up for you last night, people said you were as bad as Chris Chan but I was like no way.
hanging is literally the most variable way to die ever and is most of the time horribly painful
coming from someone who DID try to hang themselves and was left choking for what felt like forever.
do yourself a favor and make a suicide machine
get some basic crafting skills and rig up a stand with shotguns pointing at various vital spots that shoots them all at the same time, and have one aimed at the back of your head, brainstem level
rig it so the head level one goes off a fraction before the other ones, they'll follow and destroy your heart. lungs, ect
no, sleeping pills will just make you wake up in a pool of vomit and you'll need your stomach pumped
a shotgun blast to the brainstem won't hurt, and if it does it'll be the briefiest pain ever
making a stand to put several on and aiming at the brain plus other organs is just an idea of mine i'm working on creating for myself
i don't want to slip up again
you should either not kill yourself or kill the fuck out of yourself. you can't go back once you pick one
Don't know, for my latest attempt, I chose the most protracted and exacting method: terminal starvation and dehydration. Got pretty close to death. The good thing about it is that you get a lot of time to think about what you're doing, and because of that, it can't be dismissed as an impulsive gesture like most other methods. I think it's part of why I made such a strong impression on the shrinks here. The head psychiatrist keeps talking about my terrifying willpower to everyone she shows me to.
>I wish I could afford a life coach to follow me and make me do stuff and make sure I am not slacking off
but you'd just shit on their advice and say you know better and trying is too hard
>tfw u thought u might be able to get a vagina by moving to canada and getting free healthcare but u found out that's not going to work and now u are going to be stuck with a gt forever and its terrible
>tfw you will never pass and you're a disgusting mess
>tfw sister is coming over to help me do my hair up really fancy for a date
God I love having two sisters. I feel sorry for you girls without sisters. Biggest source of suport and instruction in my transition. I would be so lost without them.
My little sister is basically your sister cept shes also gay. Older sister is suoer feminine and loves to hrlp me find clothes and make me all pretty.
Even when we were kids she'd dress me up as her little sister. I fucking love her so much. Id gladly take a bullet for her.
>all this sappy family talk
>Id gladly take a bullet for her.
meanwhile, i got to be abused by my brother, who grew up into that same kind of extroverted sociopath that normal people love
So I went for a long run today and didn't forget to lube up my balls beforehand.
Makes post-run recovery so much more pleasant.
Have you also not been gendered female in 3 years and is a pig disgusting neet?
i... im just starting, but i have an intense fear ill end up worse that now.
im sorry for you not being gendered correctly. i am a pig disgusting neet though
You slather your balls and the insides of your running gear so there won't be any friction leading to irritation. It's like butt secks, you even use vaseline.
because the entire problem is that I don't feel comfortable with my body and living in it is like torture
if it was as simple as just flicking a switch in your brain to not minding that anymore then why would any of us transition at all?
What are the earliest effects of taking hormones and at what dose/etc? Is there somewhere I can get info on this? I want to just take hrt for fun and for fetishist reasons.
But I dont wanna have to spend loadsamoney of dollars over the course of several years just to have minimal effects.
All women have insecurities. Yours are worse because of dysphoria. There's a point where they stop being real.
All trans women have some insecurities, most have trouble believing they pass normally for a long time.
Just don't turn out like me and you'll be fine.
This girl is my 10/10 and has my goal body. Shes my rock climbing role model.
You lube up, you put on that tight running gear, you look 1000% sexier. Guranteed.
That girl is super hot anon. Do you even know who that is?
You will never feel comfortable with your body hence all this shit. But you can come to terms with it. Shape it into something you might find acceptable.
He is never going to respect you until you show some teeth.
A manly man after 3 years of hrt
>i think im a lost cause already though
Probably not unless you're old or have shit stats.
>But you can come to terms with it. Shape it into something you might find acceptable.
tried that- hrt, corset training...
all hairstyles look bad on me because I have a man's face
makeup or female clothes just makes me look like a fucking joke
nothing works when you've got the bottom 2% tier of genetics
Being in shape and pushing yourself is not a soley masculine trait. It shows dedication to your body and is attractive to people who value those traits.
Being able to endure lasting pain is a distinctly human trait. I want to show others that I am a human and not just a creature that picks the easiest path.
Other people have said that but ugly girls don't look like men.
Only on the outside tbhon but thanks for your wrong opinion bro.
Finally you admit you're full of shit about your claims of not passing, good.
Considering you've never, ever claimed to pass, "full of shit about passing" doesn't mean what you want to make people believe in your current nonsense.
I think it's just the pics though, no one who has seen me irl would gender me female tbhon.
>tfw you realize how pointless a concept like passing really is
idk, maybe im just fine with looking like a cute trap on hormones and i just dont care as much as i did before hrt. I'm kind of just over it, some people call me cute, so I'm happy.
>tfw you live in an area where not passing ensures that you will be treated like subhuman trash
I don't have any cute pics and posting a pic where everyone hates me is dumb lel.
Yeah, but are at least nice to us non passers here in SoCal, but I travel a fair bit so I have to worry.
In fact I am asking my cousin if I can get a job out in Phoenix in a few days. I got a feeling they will kill me because I look like a dude out there. The LA job market is horrible ;_:
I don't hate you though! I don't even know any who does.
Yeah, travelling tends to make me super nervous. At least I know people won't get violent with me here, elsewhere it's always back of mind.
No, and I do have accepting friends and family. However, there are at least a few that I'm positive would be less comfortable with me if I didn't pass. Dealing with the ridicule of the general public every day too, idk.
I think its probably more important to be attractive than to pass, but idk im like 12 years old and barely on hormones
Yeah, that's a good attitude to have. Caring less helps you pass more anyways so it's a win-win.
I cared a lot less about passing early transition as well, but I started caring a lot more about passing after a few instances of not passing led to open ridicule, or my safety being threatened.
Iktf, fucking shitty feeling
yea i havent been able to find anything on it either, mostly google brings up results related to complex facial fractures...
it really sucks if it cant be done, its something ive hated about myself since i was a kid. perhaps you know of any alternatives if i post a pic?
anyone save the images of this guy?
I'm gonna dox xer
I'm gonna move out of my mom's place tomorrow. Throughout the day I've been okay because playing SMT Nocturne and then RE5 split-screen with my friend occupied me, but now I feel a bit like throwing up. I've only lived on my own for a few short months during my college semester abroad and I didn't manage to keep track of my finances or leave my room in the least, but I mostly feel positive about moving out because I've matured since then.
Grats! I hope things go well for you. It's hard to make those decisions for change like that and actually deciding to go for it is the first major step.
Also I totally thought you were someone else here because of name starting with k + the subject matter hah. Shows how common the scenario is really though.
Going to try something about my image issues. Rather than booking a consultation with a FFS surgeon who'll tell me everything has to be fixed, I'm booking a photo shoot with a professional photographer who's done great work about "different" bodies over the years. Won't cost me much more and if the pictures are good, it might be enough to turn me away from expensive and probably unnecessary surgery.
got a bunch of stuff today for free. this braclet is pretty neat
here's another angle for extra kekposting
i swear i've lost half of them in this mess
people like that don't actually exist lol, right?
Anyone else worried about femgen and the unhealthy levels of denial they're going through?
>tfw lost it at 20
>tfw I thought that was really really late
everyone I knew growing up lost theirs around 13-15
>tfw when you're really fucked up on drugs or extremely sleep deprived you apparently have a really soft cisgirl sounding voice and act super submissive and feminine
>tfw when sober i act obnoxious and like a boy and use my boy voice all the time
is this repression or something i dont understand
its a keyboard I got for free. I got computer parts from another shop that got stuff donated but the manager never sold any of it.
oh no I underwent a natural male pueberty resulting in large hands and feet and whatever else maybe I should just cut them off so I can never indulge in toys again
i used to naturally use my girl voice in every day conversation and was almost 100% sub
the more real world experience i got, the more confident i got, the more self-esteem i got, the more i started not giving a shit and becoming a lot more dominant and using my boy voice normally
are you sure its not just that im a switch?
20 isn't that bad. The thing is gets progressively worse as you age. It seems it doubles in how weird it gets when you are still a virgin every year. Like being a virgin at 23 was eight times worse than when I was a virgin at 20, Now that I have had it though I am like well that is kind of over rated, but want to get in bed because it is still kind of cool.
>not using a model M
I have to go code in emacs, then go to the market, then cook, then watch some shtty game.
i am comfortable just sometimes i worry that there's something sinister going on in my subconsciousness that im not aware of
>crikey m8 that's not a knoif
yeah I mean I was super depressed growing up so I never really had a drive for that kinda thing. Then I decided eh why not try it and lost my virginity in a threesome
looking back it probably wasn't the best idea I've ever had, hell it wasn't even the best threesome I've ever had
I have not really ever practiced, this is just me speaking naturally. When I still repressed my voice was really deep, but I think it was just me being a tryhard at being a guy.
What does anon think? Also I'm sorry for my shitty accent. ;_; http://vocaroo.com/i/s06gK8rZQ86c
hello where i may be raping you todays ma'm?
i want to be fucked silly drunk
>tfw finally got super drunk for the first time in a month and everybody was sleeping
i was tired as fuck from cleaning all day and just passed out
sry babe, you got it pretty good this morning though ne~?
>tfw no bf to have consensual non consent rape sex with
literally why even live
Bad people rarely get what they want maddie.
For whatever reason you refuse to feel this space we're in, to know its insanity, really know it. Whatever your particular anesthetic is, that you hold onto so desperately, the thing I mean that makes you think you know who you are, whatever that thing is that you allow to keep you sane, your ace in your hole. The psyche that keeps you from trying to guess what your pimp has in store for you, whatever keeps you from screaming out at this very moment in absolute and sheer horror, whatever you fuck your brain with, whatever that is, whatever that is, it's a lie. It's a lie.
Is it me or does that lady have a slight facial shadow
Ive been so scared of mines being noticed since im still doing laser that i stare into other women to see if they also have slight facial hair and it can get disturbing sometimes.
It's weird, without practice or looking up guides or anything, my voice has naturally shifted towards being way girlier over time, I guess it's because I dropped my deep voice I forced myself into using in the past and as I'm slowly getting less used to it, it's getting better day by day.
Guy voice: http://vocaroo.com/i/s12Ka2ruzVvv
I'm Norwegian actually, but my voice has been compared to people in that area before. ;_;
Angie - Anna - Moap - Ufufu - Muff
Sage - Oryx - Faye - Kayla - Raifu
? - Rawr - ? - ? - Edie
? - ? - ? -Circe (?) - Sonic
I did my best.
i dont like being submissive and stuff though....
when my life is totally within someone else's hands only bad things can and have happened
being self sufficient is much better, and that means kicking the shit out of the little girl inside my brain and telling her to fucking pipe the fuck up because im almost 20 and theres no reason for her to be round these parts anymore
all embracing that side does is bring out a shy selfish kidlike neet in me, and that's not how you be successful in life desu
I was just linking the song she was playing and what the lyrics were for
it was a nice sounding song but I generally hate country and most things dealing with the south
How does one get hair like pookie? What products does she use?
I dunno, i've only posted a three years old pic.
>tfw overweight but i still have that slim swimming body
Haha, so like. There's a way to stop feeling dysphoric, right? Like a pill I can take that just makes me okay with being male?
I just don't think I have the strength to go through with a transition and it's freaking me out.
Alabama 3 is a Country Acid House band formed in Brixton by a Welshman, Scotsman, and a Northern Englishman. If you honestly think country is bad u probably have low IQ and have never heard real country (Note: Real country is not YEEEE HAW I RIDE ON MY TRACTOR TO DA FOOTBALL GAME AND DRINK SOME BREWSKIS CUS MY LADYS A BITCHHHHHHHH OOOOOOO)
Get some class, *tips cowboy hat*
>tfw when pass visually but was very close to getting an acceptable feminine voice before new semester
>then dad got into a work related injury and he's at home 24/7 for the last few weeks and he screams when i practice so i sound like a guy in class
FUCK OFF DAD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
your lucky you have a naturally feminine voice if i hear you right.... pls post more
mmm im aware of that but if im submissive i want to be FULLY submissive, literally want to be owned by another person and have EVERYTHING taken care of for me
on the flip side i want to be 100% self-reliant right now and want to be able to take care of other people which is within arms reach right now :3
1 day in to the "don't eat" diet and im very hungry and cannot stop thinking about food
I post in here and pretend I'm one of you but I still live in boy mode and haven't done a thing to begin my transition yet.
I just got back from grooming my beard and hating myself.
because im fat and i need to lose weight cus its unhealthy and i binge eat
some people found a way
thats usually called suicide or realizing they're not actually trans
you're in for the long haul amiga
>tfw barely decent voice
>tfw my voice is apparently girly and perfect naturally when I shut down and get super submissive and act like an abused little kid
>tfw dont know how I could force that out
by not starving yourself ;~;
>tfw want to exercise and lose weight but want to gain weight on the off chance i'l get decent sized breasts
fasting will cause more weight gain after the fact. not to mention when you don't eat you'll burn around 400 less calories a day than normal. just count calories and exercise a little
Well yeah you'll gain some weight back but unless you go full ham beast most of it stays off
for real tho you sound like a hillbilly
th-thanks, my oma is from graz and my opa used to sing opera so christmas was always about singing o tannenbaum and stille nacht and listening to the austrian boys choir and whatnot
>you're on the first steps to anorexia and bulimia!
nah ive wax and waned between 110lbs and 160lbs for the past like 6 years or so oops lmao
so eat like less than 800 calories a day and do squats?
that will take like 6 months to go from 160 to 110 though...
ill drink 100% fruit juice all day instead
The thing about losing weight with diets is that you need to continue the diet for the rest of your life to maintain that weight. Or if you start eating more you need to exercise more. Sure you can lose a ton of weight by not eating for a while but you'll go back to the same weight if you go back to the same eating.
I'm pretty sure you shouldn't have less than 1200 calories a day depending on things and stuff. But yes it will take a while but if you do it right it will be easier in the long run and easier to maintain it.
THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T GET AN ORCHI BEFORE SRS
That's why don't go back to stuffing your face every chance. But exercise is p great. Yoga is fun too. Wish jogging wasn't so bad for your kness and hips
How do I stop fixating on passing?
I'm an 18 y/o M(pre tF) who's too scared to transition because I'm too poor for surgery and too ugly to pass without it.
I'll never be happy as a man so I can't just do nothing, and they say suicide isn't the answer so I don't see another option.
then you can starve yourself but it will suck. id suggest reading about fasting and also taking vitamins and nutrients so you dont die desu. also after you reach your weight you'll need to calorie count
>what is diabetes
>how do organs work
Sorry senpai I thought you knew basic nutrition
Stop being a retard, take your damn pills and don't worry about it.
You're not going to be poor forever, the longer you put off transition the more likely it is you'll go hon, so start as soon as possible. If you don't have one, get a job, put away some savings incase of FFS and stick with it. You don't kill yourself until you've exhausted every option, not before.
>4.5 out of ten
could have lied and told me they were an 7/10 at least
they look like feet, feet dont have much of gender. obviously if they're cartoonishly large people will assume they belong to a man, but there's no way to tell how big yours are in that photo, and most people aren't looking at other people's feet
besides that you painted them and they look soft which makes them appear more feminine
Transition and get to a point where you and your voice pass perfectly. Then on an open mic night, walk up dressed all pretty and say you're going to sing some Cash.
Then bust our your man voice.
du luegst anon
idk I'm a vegetarian, have been since birth
Florida, my mum is austrian and my dad is british. I've been thinking about moving to austria though, I have family in lutzmannsburg
try wearing comfy pjs and an oversized sweater, that always helps distract me from the pain of dysphoria
i didn't know people had voices that deep, are you african american by chance?
Why does Kayla dress like a grandma? Does her mom buy her clothes or something?
>asks for proof
>"wow u dont believe me? guess ur dumb'
now THAT is how you prove a point :^) clap clap clap
if i keep eating how much i eat and i just start exercising would that be good?
i really dont want to stop eating how i eat currently
i was raised vegan but im very far removed from that now
She wears her moms clothes and since kayla is getting old herself her mom is probably ancient.
my normal voice btw but you should be fine man
ironic as fuck coming from you dude LMFAO
please, it would take literally 30 seconds for you to back up these claims. i believe things when present with solid evidence, so far all you've done is said WOW YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME
u could literally own me and prove me wrong if i really am being dumb but instead of doing that you just say NAHHHH UR WRONG XD I CANT PROVIDE PROOF THO