/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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>>2850877

>>2853635
Surely you did an overlay or at least side to side comparison before showing us your shitty work that we'll just tell you is shit.

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Going through Keys and drawabox. Felt like taking some time to draw last thread's asian qt.

I haven't done a face in over a year. I can't shade for shit and I can't do hair.

I'm sorta happy about it. Shouldn't I?

>>2853638
I did a side comparison, should i not do that?

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From this VERY quick sketch, how do you evaluate my art? I've been training to get a comic's style

>>2853660
>evaluate
>art
>VERY quick sketch
I would say based on the artist, that they're too incompetent to do well because they're dumb enough to think this is enough to judge someone's ability.

>>2853660
ah yes 3/4th huge nose anon hello once more

daily reminder that "style" is not an excuse to ignore fundamentals

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There are a multitude of measurement issues which are very obvious when doing a side-by-side comparison. I'm working on it, promise (sometimes i get caught up in other parts) didn't want to polish this turd for too long, can anyone give their input regarding mostly blending techniques and identifying values?

>>2853674
All your values are too light or too dark, not even like one of them is correct.

>>2853667
I hate posting my pencil sketches here because they look almost invisible when scanned, and taking a photo makes it look horrible. From the dozens of pencil sketches I posted here, I only got one reply. So I only post digital art, which I don't have much patience to make because my traditional art is always better.

>>2853668
Everytime I post here someone identifies me. Damn, I didn't think it was this easy.

Look, I hate people who use their "style" as an excuse, but I saw good artists post their art here and everyone said it was wrong because it wasn't realistic. My art looks fine to me, A LOT to improve, but I don't think my style is something I should change. I think it's pretty, but that's my opinion.

So, not only you, but everyone here: Please be as sincere as possible and answer this question: BE SINCERE, if you think it's acceptable but not good, say it. You don't need say it's perfect or horrible, just say your accurate opinion:

IS my style something I should change? What, specifically? Is it just the nose? The eyes? The mouth? Or is it all just exaggerated?

>>2853675
Oh I see it now. Very jarring. I didn't color pick at all so it's a huge step out of my comfort zone but challenging and fun. I will try harder next time!

>>2853660
What are you looking for with a "VERY quick sketch?" Is that an excuse for poor quality?

There are perfectly valid critiques given to people who actually finish a piece. That is the true (and some might say -only-) measure of someone's current level. Something you put time and effort into - not a "quick" sketch.

Hey, guys, could I have a run-down of certain terms?
Boxes
Study
Perspective
Construction
Values
Rendering

Thanks to whoever has the patience!

>>2853715
>Boxes
You know like cardboard.

>Study
You know like opening up a book and reading, but also thinking about what you rad.

>Perspective
You know how things look three-dimensional.

>Construction
You know how those people with tools have to build frames and stuff for houses, it's like that.

>Values
You know how there's the sun and like it creates light, but also shadow, that's what values are.

>Rendering
You know how sometimes people do scribbles on paper with a pencil? That's rendering.

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>>2853584
DAMN, I can not draw her essence.

One of my co-workers found my drawings and made fun of me, told me I suck. Should I quit if all I can do is make embarrassingly bad drawings?

>>2853744
You do suck. Just get better, you dumbass, holy shit.

>>2853744
Post your work and improve if only to tell the asshole you have drive and ambition.

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>>2853582
Got lazy with the hands

What are good books or studies to do on dynamic scenes?

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Practice from imagination.

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I was doing my gesture study and it was going pretty well until I hit this image and everything went to hell, my lines went from just a few to a couple of hundred messy lines.

I'm not even sure why it was so hard to draw, it had a big c rhythm to follow but after that I could feel anything else to follow so it broke down into construction.

>>2853754
You clearly need work on your arms and chest.

>>2853755
You couldn't feel the contours of her body? Come on, anon.

>>2853757
I have an internal conflict on what it is that I should be drawing, most of what I've seen and read shows me that I need to follow the movement of the body and avoid drawing contours so I'm constantly looking for movement.

That said I have no excuse, it is a simple image and I don't know how I fucked up so badly feeling it out.

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>>2853582
I can't believe how digital drawing diminished every bit of my ability to draw with an ink pen ... but here we are.

>>2853755
anon, at least fucking enlarge your canvas when you run out of space

>>2853776
Sorry, I only have a laptop so I have to fit both the reference and the image on the screen at once and it gets really cramped.

>>2853766
Can we see your digital stuff?

>>2853777
That's a really shit excuse.

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>>2853583
Aaaaaand number 2 of this nightshift.

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>>2853778
Postet this in another thread already around here

>>2853755
Did you ever consider her bones? You just drew the literal outlines of her body - try to draw the arms as cylinders first. Draw rough lines to guide the different key bones - the spine for example.

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>>2853803
I'm losing all confidence that I'm even doing this right anymore.

This is from a 30 second one but trying to feel the movement is leaving me with very little definition of her shape.

>>2853748
Really nice I tried this one as well but failed horribly. I like how you aligned the eyes.

Maybe the iris is a big too big making him not as goofy looking. Generally the photo is more exegarated than your drawing.

>>2853805
30 seconds is a really short amount of time - if you need it give yourself 3 minutes so you can propably look at the picture in the first place. Speed comes with time and experience.

>>2853805
Anon, I'm not sure what sort of tinfoil hat thing you're reading, but if you want to understand form and movement, it really helps to know what's under the skin and and bones and muscle work together.

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Until a month ago, I hadn't drawn a single object that wasn't a stick figure or random scribbles since about age 7. I'm 25 now. Believe it or not, pic related was my attempt to draw from a reference about a week into it. I'm still months if not years away from attempting the references in this thread.

Despite my lack of ability, talent, or fine motor skills, I've decided to spend at least an hour a day in 2017 working on learning to draw. So if you ever feel unmotivated or unskilled, remember that there's an anon out there with the artistic skills of a kindergartner who's still trying every day to improve, and who you're already 10x better at drawing than.

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>>2853809
I have it on class mode where the time starts short but gets longer.

>>2853811
30 seconds isn't a very long time to construct or measure so I was trying to emulate Villpu's feeling out phase, I'm also battling to fight symbol drawing and once I start constructing I start thinking too much and can't capture the pose properly.

>>2853813
>not even attempting to draw references

Anon, don't do that. Draw the references.

>>2853813
So you found drawabox? That's a good start. Keep it up! But since you are old enough to already perceive things 3 dimensional try to consider 3 dimensional objects and all. Cylinders and boxes.

I told myself I was gonna draw today but I didn't. I'm so disappointed in myself.

>>2853821
Draw now, you slippery negroid.

>>2853815
If you have problems with symbolism try staying in the shape territory. Draw the woman in cubes and rectangles so you learn that objects have depth and all. I don't think the movement direction is your (biggest) problem

>>2853818
Gonna consider cylinders and boxes once I can draw a line that both doesn't look like a snake and actually starts and ends where I want it to.

>>2853817
Gonna consider the references then too.

>>2853821
I'm literally at work it's 4 am and I'm in an emergency call - still sketching away. Do it.

>>2853725
Did you plan your drawing at all? All the parts are flying around somewhere in random sizes.

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>>2853580
some messy pages of hands

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>>2853841
and this failed watercolor skull, not really sure what happened. unfortunately this is what happens with all my watercolors/paintings in general. i fill in the shadows with a light undertone value and then go back in with an actual dark tone. i am completely lost after that. should i just fill in shadows directly? how do i proceed?

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>>2853845
the ref, any underdrawing errors?

>>2853845
Try to get more darker saturated colours for your shadows. Colour shifting and all.

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>>2853747
I got made fun of for this

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>>2853824
Alright, I think I might go back to shapes.

Here is one of the 5 minute ones that I just finished, I tried to make sure I captured the forms more but I feel like I drew it more than I captured the gesture and lost a lot of the pose, mostly the direction of the head and neck.

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>>2853836
no, I just did it watching, re drawing details

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>>2853852
I'd say a huge problem is the jellyness of this person I don't feel weight or form. Just lines. Think about the inside. Draw cubes and rectangles. I know it will feel stiff but it will help. All the flowiness is fine once you understand how the object you are drawing reacts to it. Remember the keystones of a skeleton. Once you understand weight and form you can draw actual meaningful quick sketches. I attached a photo from a book by Hampton.

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Any critiques for this sketch?

>>2853845
its not failed, its like 20% done,. If you ask me, whenever you are confused, "ruin" the painting and learn from your mistakes. Follow your instincts even if it is not going to look good at first. Never be passive, never get frustrated. Know this - you are a beginner, the product does not matter, in a year you are going to look at your past works as shit, in five years you are going to look at your past works as shit. Buy as much material as you can and start experimenting. Art isnt about feeling good, its about overcoming failure and mastery of oneself (wisdom lost on all of you well fed pussy americans). You will be fulfilled with your hard work. Be a role model.

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>>2853865
I tried one more 3 minute drawing but more like I actually draw with some construction but I ran out of time quickly.

The problem is that when I draw I think a ridiculous amount what I'm drawing and it always comes off stiff and miss proportioned when I want to be more like the right side thinking memers and "see" the image instead of overexerting myself trying to fix symbol drawing with insane amounts of measuring, angle checking and constructing.

I'll just go back to building box people for now I guess.

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>>2853854
Just for you I tried her as well. Still saying your anatomy is off. Mine is as well. But yours is ridiclious. Look at her. Look at her eye. Look how the ear alignes with the nose. How her ears are a typically small - her long nose pushing her mouth further to the chin. The sleepy look.

I know my version is shitty too but it took me three minutes the cheapest paper my office has to offer and trying to hide from my supervisor.

>>2853877
The problem is that you think up a delusional solution to a problem instead of facing the hard mental trial and error work that it takes to be an artist. This is your personality, not only while drawing btw.

>>2853877
You know anon - I gave you a lot of shit and you still go on. That's the spirit. It will click for you and when it does your determination will pay off.

>>2853754
You have to be 18+ to post here

how to avoid losing cute when adding realism?

>>2853885
I'm not afraid of hard work, I put in roughly 2-3 hours of practice in a day which I plan to increase once I get a better understanding of how to learn if that makes sense, my practice is still very directionless.

I think I got the message across wrong though it's just that usually I spend more time fixing mistakes than I do drawing and I feel like I can't be doing this right if I have to spend so long error checking each piece and measuring it.

>>2853886
I used to do some small drawings for my friends in a discord room until someone uploaded one to danbooru without telling me because he liked it and it got gunned down by the quality checkers with a 0 out of 8 vote to keep it which really damaged my confidence and showed me how bad I really was.

Instead of sulking about it forever I decided to start learning to draw for real instead of as a hobby, I'm not giving up until I can prove them wrong.

>>2853897
git gud

>>2853897
Remember the core psychological factors of cuteness. Big, lower-set eyes, big head in relation to the body, round cheeks. Cute is mostly in the head/face.

>>2853908
more specifically, the jawbone has to be less prominent but also has to be draw with lines. those lines arent cute but are necessary to describe the head from, for example, below.

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>you will never be this good at the male form

based murata

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>>2853902
thats just how it is until you master hand-eye. You look > draw poorly, then you see the error, erase > look > draw less poorly. By the way, we learn skills over large spans of time. Months etc. Because rest is also a huge part in learning. Gif related.

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I'm not super happy or unhappy with this. I've been drawing for about a month now, and this is leagues above what I could do before. The face is too short, the neck too long, and I completely fucked up the lips and eyes. Additionally, I have no fucking clue how to draw hair. I'm still chugging through the sticky, so no need to yell at me to go do that. If anyone has any other comments, I'd love to hear them.

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>>2853919
Jesus christ I messed that image format up.

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>>2853923
Pic related is reference.

>>2853923
if you are going to sketch a guide line for the head ( which you should do for the whole body), use it, or just dont bother sketching it. Its more useful if you are drawing from imagination, because you are never going to draw the exact sketch replica of the picture face for it to help you out.

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>>2853923
also, protip, start drawing from the left eye, spread from it, always be active and simplify everything to circles, curves etc. Dont be scared to draw lines that ärent there" (passing lines).

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>>2853582

it looks darker irl, i need a scanner

>>2853938
the eyes are off, especially his left. are you planning with loomis?

>>2853923
Also, dont just replicate contours, dont even focus on that. You have to start thinking of everything as a 3d object,

>>2853942
I didnt post the port for your pleb critique, i posted it as a sort of ref of what i was saying.

>>2853945
"passing lines" which later on mold into shadows etc, the deeper the drawing evolves.

>>2853755
take your time and take it slow. your likes look rushed as hell.

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i wanna draw like vilppu :c

>>2853882
lel, I notice all of those features, really hard for me interpret it
I'll gonna try doing it again

quick, what do i draw? i'm blanking here and ive got a deadline

>>2853971
Cute anime girls

>>2853972
thats disgusting. what if my mom caught me? anyone else got an idea?

>>2853975
ngmi

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From memory. Whats the worst part? Probably spent an hour on it.

>>2853980
This is pretty damn good for a beginner.

>>2853971
>Just draw one of the reference photos OP provided

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>>2853980
too big to begin with, thats for sure, sorry
heres a resized version

>>2853956
Have to admit never liked his style that much. I prefer Hampton.

>>2853981
well idk what to consider myself.
I've been drawing for 3 years now (not the 16 hours a day type obviusly)
my fundamentals training is not over yet, thats for sure..

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>>2853984
i'd say vilppu was a major influence for him, not sure tho

>>2853998
This image will never not piss me off.
>/beg/ tells you to learn gesture before anything
>get to this page
>whatthefuck.jpg
>never got it
>still don't get it
Fuck you

>>2853999
not sure what are you talking about, i just took a random page about gestures from hampton's book
btw its quite impossible to get good at gestures before tackling anything else, studying anathomy and understanding it is crucial for gestures. otherwise your gestures might capture the motion but remain the same mindless stick figures.

>>2853999
does /beg/ say that?

>>2853999

/beg/ is full of shit, gesture requires some foundational knowledge of proportion, anatomy, construction and observational drawing, otherwise you're just rushing your way through shitty drawings. I'd say it's at least an intermediate exercise.

>>2853999
To be fair, it doesn't explain much. The previous pages go more in depth in terms of the mindset you have to be in to "get" it but there is nothing that you can do that will benefit your gesture drawings more than mileage. Then you'll actually know what it means to depict the strongest lines of action of poses.

>>2853999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FWnxPsWP5A
just watch this, it makes it obvious that you need to understand for and anathomy to really nail the first strokes

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Tried out loomis, kinda happy with the results. Tell me if it worked.

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Alright I'm going to go to bed now. One last picture before I do. I was >>2853923 and I tried to take some of the comments into consideration. Any thoughts?

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>>2854039
Reference is pic related

>>2854033
The contrast of the values in shadow compared to what's being hit by light should be darker. Push that. In things like your ref, the background is a good place to sort of "check" your values so taking a minute to block in what's behind the subject is not a bad idea. You could also stand to be less scribbly with your lines because it would look 10x better. Also forehead too small. In fact the hair is all sorts of fucked up (just compare them side to side and see where the end of her hair falls off the side of her head). looking solid - glad to know you have an idea to think in terms of values instead of lines like everyone else in /beg/

>>2854041
alright. I do indeed half ass hair. This ref in particular had free flowing hair, and random strands making it all the more difficult for me.

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>>2853580
Fourth day on drawing, spent my 20 minute lunch break on it.

Really fucked up with the face, kind've happy with how the shirt turned out though albeit I wasn't able to finish it.

Used the keys to drawing recommendation of focusing more on your subject than your drawing.

>start drawing a person
>measure out body
>start working on face because if that doesn't look right then nothing will
>hour later
>its garbage and ive drawn and erased too much to salvage it

this shit just makes me not want to bother trying anymore. failure just saps my energy and enthusiasm

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>>2854060
at this point i can't tell what's satire and what's not in this thread

>>2854070
Unfortunately not satire.

>>2854060
who is the guy on your reference ? he has facial features i've been looking for.

>>2854073
read the fucking sticky.
its not your level of skill that shows you sincerely are subhuman. its that you didnt read the sticky.

>>2854075
legit 11/10 desu no homo

>>2854075
Joshua brand I believe his name is.
>>2854078
k, thanks anon.

I just fucking hate drawing and it makes me feel awful when I try. Improvement is a meme, I'll be shit forever

>>2854085
K.

>>2854085
then stop shitting up the thread with your negativity because you lack discipline to focus in areas that other's don't have trouble in

or stay and i can use your tears as lube for the journey

stay i think

>>2853868
forearms seem a little thick when you consider the neck, either thin them out or thicken out the neck
actually now that i consider it a bit more your neck is just too thin for everything
also the eyes don't seem to have much form, consider learning about the skull and how the forms rotate in 3-D space, ie. the eye is placed incorrectly when the angle of the face is taken into consideration
ears seem to jut out, i'm not sure if that's intentional or not

>>2854088
I wasted my time being miserable when I could have been just as fulfilled yet way more happy playing video games. Drawing only yields disappointment

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am i even remotely close?
i tried to shade the part that's in the shadow as best as i could but i'm afraid that it turned out a little unintentionally spooky

>>2854098
drawing isn't for everybody

>>2854098
Video games can't hold my attention for more than half an hour at this point.

Drawing makes me space out for hours.

>>2854101
I know that now, thanks. just tossed my sketchbooks in the trash. I want to forget I wasted so much time before realizing i'm completely hopeless

>>2854104
check your ligameme sonny jim

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thoughts?

>>2854124
Why do you come to /ic/

>>2854124
god i wish i looked like that

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made this because i like ants

also lookin at this now, i shouldn't have been so lazy with those bottom legs.

fuck me right up

>>2854131
>samurai
>no sword

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>>2853580

How do you guys deal with apathy when working on stuff and losing motivation? It seems I can only work under the effects of stimulants (I forced myself to render for a couple hours but I can get myself to give it my all)

>>2854138
Everyone copes differently, I sort of just funpost on /ic/. But usually, once I get started, I get into the zone. It's the getting started part that's difficult sometimes.

>>2854125
to get critiques

>>2854141
Maybe if you actually did something good, you would get critiques.

>>2854142
I'm a beginner

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>>2854084
>joshua brand
meh, only low quality shit pics.

anyone have more ref of pronouced facial feaures like this ?

>>2854143
good doesnt mean high quality it means with effort and thought.

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>>2853998
>>2853999
Well then this for you :^)

>>2854135
you fuckin got me there, mate, thanks

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1/?

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>>2854167
2/?

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3/?

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4/?

>>2854167
>>2854168
>>2854169
you can put them in one image next time

>just be randomly chilling
>suddenly elbow just trips out again
How do I prevent this from happening
I feel like my body is telling me I draw too much now or something.

>>2854171
oh good idea, i just havent used paper in forever.

i guess ill stop now. well i have like 60 gestures, all 30 sec. no idea how bad or not bad they are

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Downloaded the "Keys to Drawing" PDF and did the 1B project exercise of my hand. It sucks but imma keep doing these until I suck a little less. Great book.

>>2854197
That's a good idea, keep at it.

>>2854197
>digital

here we go boys

>>2854197
I'd advise you to not bother too much with shading in this exercise, but just the lines. Same for the crossed feet one.

>>2854207
Thanks will do

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Tried to do a bunch before work

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>>2854217
2

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>>2854217
3
a little happy about those
ref for the figs that aren't in this thread are on 4chan, trying to draw everytime i'm browsing 4ch now

>>2854217
>>2854218
>tfw anon draws better girls than you
How did you do it

>>2854218
is the man on the right a musical composer?

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>>2854217
4
and last, shoulders and body are a mess

>>2854223
ah ! it's kirk douglas i think, ref is just under op post

>>2854221
Well thank you ! Still can't draw legs or arms or keep proportions though

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>>2854226
your proportions are consistently off but its relatively 3d so gj for that.

i'd recommend constructing out of boxes.

>>2854241
Yeah it's one of the next steps
Still on loomis head construction right now, can't seem to understand how it work, must be dumb but for example tilt of the head is almost always bad

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is this any better than the one in the last thread. i know i need to fix the back legs on the cat laying down

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>>2854260
shit wrong one. but oh well itll be easier to compare. this is the redrawn one

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After embarrassing myself with my awful understanding of gesture drawing earlier I decided to try and cheer up with a quick sketch of >>2853924

It ended up taking hours, at one point I was just erasing lines into the right shape which is more like molding to me than actual drawing which is why the lines are such a mess.

I reached a point where there were issues glaring me in the face but I couldn't find them with flipping or negative space so I called it quits so any critiques would be super appreciated.

>>2854270
>It ended up taking hours
Gonna make it. I like you already.

>>2853877
Where are you getting these refs from? they look nice. id like to try

>>2854277
https://line-of-action.com/

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Guys, what's your process to build a piece? I am trying to do >Gesture>Lines>Then render but I don't know where to stop on the gesture, is this too much detail for the first part?

>>2854280
You aren't even on the gesture phase anymore, what are you saying. You're in the rendering phase. Fix the proportions and eye.

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>>2854281

Sorry friend, is this sort of where one would want to stop the gesture and do the linework?

>>2854286
I'm not really sure why you call it gesture, when it's blocking in.

>>2854287

Yeah, I don't know either

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>>2853583

>>2854312
Teach me your ways senpai

>>2853845
In terms of using the medium, it looks like you're not using enough water and trying to control I think too much

>>2853845
>>2853846
theres a couple big drawing errors that for some reason no ones talking about. for one its too narrow and theres things like the curves of the cranium are off. look at the eye socket vs the nose part youre is smaller compared to the ref and if you made it bigger youd be taking away from the rear mass. also you improvised the background color wrong. theres a strong light thats creating a 'black' shadow on the jaw near the hinge. you used the the background color when you should have used a darker value of the color you used for the bone.

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>tfw
tried reinstalling/uninstalling/clean installing drivers many times now, shit just don't work anymore, and my tablet is defunct

fucking intuos 4

any tips for measuring for a fellow beginner? when i draw stuff from real life it always begins to skew after a few lines. like the individual lines are 'correct' but they don't fit together, if that makes sense, so stuff always gets skewed. the more complex the subject the worse it gets

>>2854348
restart the driver in services you dum dum

>>2854366
I've tried that too, you fucking faggot

>>2854348
Cheers up, beginners use paper and pen.

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What do you guys think i know its not perfect. What can i do better?

>>2854124
I like his Nose. A good drawing as well

>>2854377
I use paper usually. I'd been drifting away from my tablet more and more until I just sorta put it in a corner for about 2 months
Then I come back and try to use it and it doesn't work anymore, with no way to get it working again

I just wish I could scan my art and line it digitally. I'll be honest, I'm not a beginner, I just needed a thread to complain/receive input for the issue

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>>2853584
always the same problem to tilt the head, sigh

>>2854380

Step 1: resize it to the proper size

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How do people lay down values without an underdrawing and come out with forms? This just went to hell fast.

>>2854356
> use guidelines and eyeball it
> keep looking at the subject then back at your drawing
> compare major points to others
> don't just work on one piece of the image, work on all of it at once

>>2854416
Year long experience strong mental images - use underlying structures until you don't need them anymore not the other way around. It's fine to be slow at first.

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>>2853584

Wake me up, my hand hurts. What are the major fuck ups so far? I still can't really ''feel her''

>>2854392

Keep going friend, don't give up. I see too pronounced curves on the forehead and cheeks, eyes too big, or nose too small. Receded jaw, a somewhat not wide enough ear.

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Not finished yet but what can i do better here?
And also what do you think?

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>>2853584
Just pen/ink and then in pencil. Really need to stop drawing on my desk since it makes my drawing kinda stretch out

>>2854423
> don't just work on one piece of the image, work on all of it at once

thanks, i am gonna try this. right now i start at one 'corner' and work from there until i am finished

>>2854458
it makes measuring a lot easier. That way you work out composition issues too.

>>2854455
looks messy. you can make the posture for the woman better. right now it looks like you didn't use a reference. there's no emotional read from the pose. it's stiff and anatomically incorrect.
The comet is also competing with the other elements. either make is much smaller, or make it fill most of the background

>>2854464
Ok thanks man i will try to fix that.
But i dont want the Girl to feel emotional here btw.

>>2854469
ok, but having her hand up to her mouth indicates some sort of emotion. try mimicking the pose and feel how retarded it looks.

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>>2854167
Gestures aren't Outlines.
Try to think of it as the start as like a Skeleton, after that you can put in Volumes.

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attempt 2, tried to fix the errors pointed out.
Put more effort into hair: Simplified it so I could digest it for now. Still unhappy with it, looks cheap.
Increased forehead size.
Attempted to increase contrast: Didn't really work out, maybe its my pencil lead, only resulted in an increase in gloss. Cant seem to get an even shade, looks blotchy.
I put my pencil in the image so you guys can see the relative size of this thing. Maybe im drawing too small?

>>2854392
thanks for the feedback, will try to focus more on size of things (eyes, nose, ears...) on next one

jaw is always a problem, and i end up doing it last each time, never know how to do it

>>2854437
shit, answered to my own post, well thanks mate

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>>2853582 making slow progress i guess.

>>2853986
Consider yourself a beginner.

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>>2853583

New to /ic/ and even more new on /beg/ so this probably looks fucking horrible, but I tried. As you can tell though, I kinda gave up after finishing the facial features. How do you sketch hair without it taking ages?

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>>2853580

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>>2853584

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Reference:
>>2850878

I thought I was doing fine until I was done and I noticed his head was too wide. Shading and hair still makes me want to neck myself.

Any tips on what to do better and what not to do for the next drawing?

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also just started Keys to Drawing. human refs are me

>>2854915
You ever hear of a thing called contours? They help keep your proportions in check, you should use them. Also learning how to measure angles with your pencil and eye are good too.

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>>2854916
>contours
have heard of/tried a bit of contour drawing but not just...contours. any resource you recommend to learn this?

>>2854924
It's just the outline of the object you're looking at. After that you just draw the inside.

>>2854926
oh, shit. yeah i will try using that. thanks. will also work on the angle measuring thing.

>>2854926
this is an awful idea

>>2854949
why? and what should i do to improve more instead?

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(Sorry for it being sideways)

A few days ago I asked for feedback on the other beginner thread, and someone told me to draw without locking my wrist. I feel like how I'm drawing is improving. Can I get some feedback and tips?

>>2854957
fix the size and orientation first you twit.

>>2854796
Ant sized picture, and you gave her the facial features of a nigger.

>>2854796
Shading and values are okish but you fucked up the nose, don't draw both nostrils when only one is shown in the ref.

>>2854957
Looks like you're scratching instead of drawing full strokes.

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>>2853584
Here's my sketch. It doesn't really look like her, I think I did the face too flat. Any tips?

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Hey guys, I've been drawing for a long time and have a good handle on that, but painting and coloring is a whole different beast. I did this for 40 minutes with trying to do like a speedpaint technique.

Any way I can find correct colors, I only recently that similar to drawing, dont draw what you see, its the same with colors. Dont put down what you see, but what works well together.../sigh/

>>2855024
Take your time, use reference, don't speedpaint.

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Can someone point me towards a good place to learn how to render?

I can't really block in very well or evaluate and blend the values.

>>2855032
Ctrl-paint

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>>2855032
looks like a nose t bh

>>2855032
Do things in greyscale so you only have to worry about value rather than having to implement color. Also do what >>2855041 says.

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How's this looking? Should I continue, amend the shading in some way, or redo the drawing?

>>2855084
That looks surprisingly good. I bet you took a few hours on that.

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symbol drawing ahoy

>>2855096
>Sideways
>Didn't read the sticky
>Open contempt for people trying to critique you
>Putting zero time into your post

Please tell me this is a meme

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>>2855139
sorry, my phone is retarded. i might as well be too

>>2855152
Lack of effort. You could draw better but you choose not to.

how do i do bargue plates? do i put down plumb and level lines even if it doesn't have any?

>>2854985
Draw the head as a sphere and think of the facial features in 3D, don't be afraid of covering one eye with the nose, just follow the reference.

i looking for a tool that im not sure exists in photoshop. say i made a layer to add details over whats already there that are pretty much the same color, but i realized the color is wrong but i also like the drawing. is there an easy way to 'select' everything and go over with a soft brush with lower opacity and change the color. i know i could just use the magic wand thing but that seems to crude with the selection if that makes sense

>>2855260
You mean a filter

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first drawing attempt @ an anime girl w big tiddies

i would've made it better but had to j/o halfway

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>>2855260
Lock transparent pixels. This way only over whatever you have drawn is the only thing that will be hit by your brush when you go over it. Mess around with it in Photoshop for five seconds and you'll understand what it does.

>>2855284
I came.

>>2855286
*lock transparent pixels is the first in that category of four after "Lock:" .

During my practice earlier I started to notice that I have a real problem perceiving depth, I wear glasses and my eyesight isn't fantastic so do you think this is a vision thing or a brain thing that I'll learn to adjust to over time?

>>2855290
You'll adjust.

>>2853872
>wisdom lost on all of you well fed pussy americans

This was almost a good post.
What happened to you?

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Drew this using the Marie amiibo as a ref.

>>2855335
That is pretty damn good and lewd.

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>>2855339
Thanks, Anon.

>>2855335
How weird, I did the exact same thing the other day while looking around my room for things to draw.

Best squid too.

I need help, I really want to get into drawing because I find it super fun and relaxing, but I never know what to draw and end up just not at all. plz help

>>2855359
>find drawing super fun and relaxing
>don't know what to draw
Doesn't sound fun and relaxing at all. Anyway, just grab references off google and draw it. First thing you can think of.

>>2855362
bleh ya guess that was kinda redundant, but thanks for responding anyways!

>>2855333
meant to post this here.
also didn't even notice i got trips, cool

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>>2853584

Good morning /ic/, gonna continue working on this.


Any advice?

>>2855392
you seemed to have added a forehead thing and a cigarette on accident

welp tear it apart. i should have just stuck with gesture

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>>2855397
forgot to resize

>>2855393

Silly me, how did I miss that!

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>>2855400
chicken scratchy scratch scratch

>>2855400
What is this supposed to be? A sketch? Finish it up and repost. I don't care about your construction and outline man. I care about your result.

>>2855411
what about gesture and proportions

>>2855413
Gesture is all I, C, and S lines and shows the energy. This ain't gesture. The proportions are somewhat okay, the only part that's kind of fucked up is the torso and the hip. They're too close together. The shoulder is a bit fucked up too.

>>2855412
its going to be a girl at a desk bored (i didnt draw the table in yet) im going crop it so her legs arent in the pic and there will be more focus on face. but i started doing with most the figure because you need to use gesture and such. i dont want to keep drawing if theres any major issues with the proportions or it looks dead/stiff or whatever like all my other figures do

>>2855413

Those are not gestural lines tho, they are obvious attempts at perfectly doing the contour line on one try with very small lines. Gesture lines are wide, wild and free.

Like this Anon here did >>2853755

>>2855392
The head is too tilted

>>2855413
>>2855415
This. You're just doing the outline. Also the gesture isn't going to read well anyways with those scratchy lines.

>>2855416
>i dont want to keep drawing if theres any major issues with the proportions or it looks dead/stiff or whatever like all my other figures do
Why not? You're going to kill yourself by not having any finished pieces.

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>>2855413
>the head is way too big for the body
>the torso is too short
>the gesture is stiff.
>stop hiding hands. face them or you won't improve.
>her torso looks 3/4 but her right arm is made for someone in pic related position.
>CHICKEN SCRATCH

sorry i didnt mean that as in this sketch is supposed to be a gesture sketch. its an outline of a figure i did on top of a gesture drawing because i always have problems with my drawings of figure from imagination. so what i really mean is does it looks stiff/not dynamic/etc?

>>2855418

True, I can see it now. Thanks, Anon.

>>2855423
Do not worry about stiff/dynamic meme and just finish the drawing. Those things really don't matter at a low level where you aren't able to fully compose a drawing.

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threadly reminder to cheer for eric

>>2855420
because polishing turds is a waste.

>>2855421
>>the head is way too big for the body
its in its own layer so i can make it smaller
>>the torso is too short
youre right, its going to be cut off those
>>the gesture is stiff.
fug thats what im worried about, i started with a gesture too
>>stop hiding hands. face them or you won't improve.
i havent gone into detail yet
>>her torso looks 3/4 but her right arm is made for someone in pic related position.
shes supposed to be leaning into her left. im actually not sure how i wanted her right to end up,maybe have the elbow pointed towards the viewer and foreshorten?
>>CHICKEN SCRATCH
i know i just suck

>>2855426
okay ill try to fix the above issues and draw the face

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>>2853583

>>2855427

Who's Eric?

>>2855431
>polishing turd meme
There's a reason you faggots are stuck in /beg/

>>2854792
Make sure to shade hair in clumps rather than individual strands. Try to recognize patterns of how the hair flows. There will most likely be multiple ways the hair is going, so make sure to keep note of he general directions.

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so here's what i came up with. see title

>>2855487
Collar should go around the neck so it doesn't seem so long.

>>2855488
surely thats not the only mistake

>>2855490
It's riddled with mistakes but that is the most glaring one that needs attention.

>>2855487
E?

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i lowered the head and reworked the collar and did a couple little things like making the cuffs look sorta 3d.

>>2855498
yes

i think the eyes in the face arent lined up the way they should?

>>2855500
bringing you the sickest and most hype psychological blocks this side of /lgbt/

>>2855500
are you using a reference?

>>2855507
how do i fix psycological blocks

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>>2855513

am i going crazy or is trying to draw from life / recreating a photo reference wayy harder on a digital drawing tablet. with pen and paper i can get at least somewhat closer results, but with digital its a total catastrophe. feels way harder to relate to key areas and using the pencil to measure and check lines.

>>2855514
courage,
mental effort,
take /ic/'s advice and stop the habit of polishing turds. i think you'd benefit from the fundie grind mentality. and from my observation what hinders you is the idea of "im drawing the lines so what more can i do". like your gestures a short while ago, you did a few of but did them mostly incorrectly and without learning despite some anons telling you to. i remember then you should have learned from villpu's gesture. the best advice i would have for you is that plus "be ok with drawing bad things" it might be the case that you are twisting your interpretation so as to see your work as better, so as to not feel bad about it. this must stop if you are to proceed. im not sure if you are the type to respond to insults positively (like myself) so i decided to write this without them.

listen mate just try your best.

>>2855520
well i was bad a criticism for my figures but i got better. another anon DID tell me to go further with this and its still shit. but i just honestly have a hard time seeing all the mistakes. for example didnt notice the arm proportions are bad until i posted that

this one is going to the recycle bin now

>>2855519
You are crazy.

Do whatever u do tradionally digitally

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I am scared of tackling the hair, seems too complex. Any other major fuck ups so far, guys? is the tilt correct now?

>>2855548
>flair

who /ligameme/ here?

>>2855551

What's ''flair''?

>>2855554
the "artistic" additions like the eye, cigarette and forehead thing.

flair and personality is frowned upon here.

>>2855558

>flair and personality is frowned upon here.

Is there any particular reason why?

>>2855564
on the spectrum

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>>2855566

Well then, let's make them screech.

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>>2853584

>>2855552
wtf is up with this ligameme renaissance?

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>>2855152

where can i pay for anatomy and portrait lessons

>>2855624

Local college, private teachers? Do a online search in your location, maybe you'll find something

>>2855634

reference?

>>2855681
dick angles are completely fucked, it's like they're gauging her out

also frog face

>>2855681
>>2855749

The cocks are almost as big as the fuckng legs, is this intentional?

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>>2853584
Do I have permission to digitally scream?
I really, really regret today

>>2855634
stretched elbow

looks like her joint is made of rubber

>>2855440

Any good references of this?

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Daily reminder to stop being little bitches, we're all gonna make it. PUSH THROUGH STRAIGHT THE COMFORT ZONE, WOAAH!

>>2855092
Thanks. About 3 hours so far

>>2855571
it's not everyone else that's on the spectrum, my friend

>>2856159
>>2856159
>>2856159

>>2856159
>>2856159
>>2856159

>>2856159
>>2856159
>>2856159

>>2856159
>>2856159
>>2856159

>>2853766
Kverneland?

>>2856148

Only you?