/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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shit is impossible for me, i can't get the features right at all. ends up like some caroon monkey type of lips and shit

>>2856216
To be fair, she's pretty ugly desu.

>>2856197
nigga what the fuck

>>2856197
The triangle composition in this image is amazing though.

>>2856216
Work on your lines.

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>>2853584

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>>2856164
Warm-up before doing exercises

>>2856247
yeah my brain was so occupied with trying to draw what i see that i just chickenscratched away. just need to do stuff like this way more often

>>2856216
You're too concerned with contour, focus on form instead.

>>2856349
do you mean create forms through value rather than trying to draw the contour of the features?

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>>2856355
I'm saying get some awareness of these plane changes first, indicate them and it will help you place the forms of the features.

>>2856367
What does this have to do with drawing though?

>>2856367
thanks, this looks super helpful, gonna give it a try tomorrow

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not sure if i should post in the beginner thread because i've been drawing for 10 years so i'm not a beginner. anyway what do y'all think?

>>2856373
keep posting in the beginner thread

>>2856373
I think you're a beginner.
A very deluded one.

>>2856374
>>2856375
ok well maybe you don't like my art but i'm not a beginner by definition. i've been drawing since i was like 12 years old

>>2856379
You come here, you live by our rules. You are a beginner by our definition.

>>2856373
This is beginner tier, drop your ego and start working harder.
>>2856379
>i've been drawing since i was like 12 years old
Same as everyone else on the world, retard.

>>2856373
ill give you a red if it hasnt been done yet later

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Another newbie here. It has been a month since I started drawing (passionately, I mean). For some reason or another, the characters I draw "from head" turn out looking manlier or bigger boned than they should be, even if I don't fuck up the anatomy. Heads and faces are my biggest weakness; the only angle I can draw reliably is a direct back view. Mirroring the drawings doesn't really help me that often; in some cases, they end up looking even better to me.

Anyway, here I tried my best to make the woman look as feminine and lovely as possible, yet I still am not satisfied. I'd like some advice on how to fix the shapes so that the woman would be satisfyingly feminine and, preferably, smiling seductively (although the current sad look is fine too). Or are the shapes feminine already, and the only thing I need to do is to replace the hard lines with shading?

(Her head is turned about 4/5 of the way to her shoulder and tilted slightly upwards.)

Wouldn't mind comments about neck and ear shape/positions too.

>>2856435
Study from references. Even artists that are the best at drawing from imagination draw from reference, it's just that they've drawn from so many references that it builds up as a repository in their minds without needing the picture. Also, don't color.

>>2856440
Everything was good until the end. Do color, don't be some faggot who restricts themselves. I see tens of beginners leave every week because all they do is boring portraits or gestures.

>>2856444
All I'm saying is that if you want to get a good idea of how light works, don't start with color. Obviously the point of everything we do is to have fun/find satisfaction, but color can complicate things when an artist is a beginner. Gray-scale is best for getting a feel for it. Of course, I can't stop him from doing whatever the fuck he wants. It's just a suggestion.

>>2856450
Your words are basically the words of God, of course you can stop him. Anyways, use color if you want, it's not like you're too retarded to know that a color should be lighter or darker depending on where the light source is coming from.

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>>2856373

>>2856469
When are you going to do fully rendered pieces again nosey

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>>2856435

>>2856479
i have so little skill and so much to draw from the rendering talent pool that whenever i render something im better by the end of the render, hence making me give up. Give me like 7 months maybe

As someone who wants to just start drawing now, and eventually wants to draw figures and scenery from imagination, what's the best thing for me to start doing right now? I haven't drawn anything since I was like 10.

Should one start drawing figures from references, or learn the anatomy first?

>>2856503
Step 1: Read the Sticky, read all the books in the sticky and do the exercises. (you can find PDFs of all the books through a simple google search)

After you've done that, you'll be able to draw reasonably well figures from imagination, and after that it's just practicing consistently.

>>2856503
Do you do traditional or digital? Can you post some of your drawings? That way we can gauge your level and help you better. Also tell us what kind of figures and scenery you want to do. A certain style? Cartoon? Disney? Fantasy? Sci-fi? Realistic?

>>2856503
Keys To Drawing, get to it

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>>2856166
Any thoughts would be appreciated.

>>2856503

Learn proportions, then learn anatomy. Try Fun with a pencil then follow it up with Figure Drawing for all it's worth

>>2856593
I thought he was sucking a dick at first glance.

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Tried some things to make the facial features more 3D, also thickened the neck.

>>2856593

Ref?

>>2856618
See
>>2856166

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>>2856617

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help.

How do I git gud at drawing?

>>2856653
loomis

When drawing a model im often at a loss when drawing the subtle shadows.How do i start seeing the gradations better?

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Took yet another stab at realism. I feel like I get closer with every attempt.

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>>2856686
Reference used.

>>2856682
By trying to draw them and failing and trying again and again and again until you start seeing them better.

>>2856686
i hope you're going through keys to drawing right now

>>2856640

Your construction's off axis and you're chicken scratching like crazy

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Tried my hand at the asian woman, critique please.

>>2856759
Whoa, you actually got it right...
I think you're the only one who got it right.

Anyone has tips about texturing(dynamic sketching 1)? I'm struggling with it for some reason.

>>2856772
Mess it up a lot
Do a lot of them

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>>2856775
ink is not cheap, you know

why does sonic fanfiction exist?

>>2856777
It's like a dollar. What you get in exchange is greater than the cost.

>>2856759
Best one probably, only thing that that looks off is left eyes is too big, top lip crooked, bottom lip a bit small compared to top lip, and in the ref she's looking straight at you instead of to the side.

>>2856784
here's it's like 3 at least

>>2856759
How long have you been drawing

>>2856630
This is a good tl;dr of right side of the brain

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>>2856272

I'm finding it very hard to copy the exact angles I see, and now the women looks masculine for this reason.

>>2856440
A good advice, but... not quite the kind I was hoping for.
Also, why don't color? It's not the first time I'm hearing that, but coloring is about the only aspect of painting I'm doing well at (for a beginner), evidenced by the responses I receive when I color someone else's work or don't fuck up my own with bad anatomy. (Or is that enough of a reason and I should focus on improving the skills I suck at?) Naturally, the picture I posted has a long way to be finished.

>>2856484
Shouldn't her shoulders be higher and parallel to the ground if she's taking her kimono off? Anyway, thank you.

>Doing really well with drawing lately so I try drawing a mirror image of a face like that activity with the vase
>Brain explodes, drawing devolves into symbol drawing and I can't see the shapes of the face for the life of me

Why can't my brain process this?

>>2856855
Because drawing a mirror image of something is a completely new thing. It's hard. It's why I hate that we have to learn everything twice. Learn how to draw a hand? Great, now you have to do it for the other side.

>>2856831

Look at the relatinship between how much the nose and the chin stick out, the nose should be more outside the contours than the chin, unlike you have done it. The jaw is also too straight compared to reference, which is more angle upwards. I believe placing the ear slightly higher will also help with the jaw line.

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>>2856858
Yeah, this shit absolutely broke my brain. It's hard to observe the form and angles while also processing it backwards.

I will definitely have to add this to my routine for a while.

I'm not entirely /new/ but I can't fucking color for the life of me, I took a Color theory class and STILL can't fucking do it. I'm losing my mind. I am a /very/ angry artist by default but I can't even sperg rage my way through this.

Options are limited as far as programs go. Using Paint Dot Net atm. Any help?

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>>2856896
So mad I forgot my picture.

Also I do not have a tablet, I've used a mouse for years. Ordering one soon though just to try it.

>>2856896
Post your work, what don't you get.
Color is literally just work with it and you eventually get it.

>>2856899
Skin tones, how to make shading look nice. The values are what's fucking me.

>>2856898
You took a class to learn this?

I'm glad that I'm too poor for classes.

>>2856906
The funny thing is, I learned jack shit from the class and what you see there is nearly entirely self taught. The class did not go over anything useful at all like anatomy, it was literally just "oh hurr durr this how you use a program" explained the use of text fonts and the color theory class was complete shit, all stuff I learned in third fucking grade. Needless to say I quit out of it four months in before it wasted more of my time and money.

>>2856686
You might wanna practice just doing straight lines, circles etc. before you move on to do anything else. Your lines are shaky as hell.

>>2856872
Thank you for the advice; I'll try it again

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>>2856899
>>2856901
Now that I think about it, I (>>2856845) probably should post my latest finished picture, which is also the best out of 20 or so drawings I have so far. The character is a vampire standing in front of her enemy who's crouching on a riverbank. I was going for a Chinese look with an expression of bloodlust and/or arousal from the fight, but the point is: how are dem shadows, and light, and shit? Am I beginning to understand their relationship?

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took an hour I think. Realized I'm kind of chicken scratchy with these. Also I can't draw boxes for shit, let alone place a skull in one properly orz

>>2856935
Your strokes are amazing if anything, anon.

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Guys, is still a solid block in before jumping into rendering?

>>2856926

You're welcome Anon, keep it up.

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i drew my hand from both sides,i did it live so there's no actual reference pic sadly :^/

(1/2)

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>>2856969
Looking ok for the beginning, now try drawing them in more dynamic poses.

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I've never really done much drawing in my life but been trying to learn to draw on my tablet

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are the colors of the orange cat too saturated or no?

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i dont know why i decided to try out pen at my level

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>>2857009

>>2857009
>>2857011
>going through the effort of making an enclosure for life study subjects but not resizing your posts

>>2856986
use pencil and paper if you're serious

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Octopus about to be a cocktopus

>>2857073
can you do clean lines?

>>2857077
this is the lay-in before i put color and eventually the line layer will be gone

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This was fun. Are there any specific photoshop brush settings that will help with shading/folds or should i just learn to get good with the standard circle brush?

>>2856995
Just like learning to write, you need to get good enough with a pencil first. You have a potential, good eye for details, but it's gonna take more practice.

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>>2856942
Draw a few more enrichment shapes on the eyes

>>2857127
Eyes too far apart and the shape of her left eye is off. The nose should be slightly closer to mouth.
The standard brush would do fine enough, just remember to thin out the edges of each line with an eraser.

>>2856227
My thoughts exactly.

>>2857159

Makes sense. Thanks Anon

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It's too shitty?

>>2857318
shitty but not too shitty

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>>2857166
Many thanks, another question I have is if i were to pass work like this based on a reference as my own, would it be considered plagiarism? is using a real life pose as a reference frowned upon when doing this?

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>>2857361
Thanks!
Update here

>>2857363
Look like she has dwarfism and her face is about to slide off her face.

>>2857367
good practice
now go make more

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Hows this?

>>2857396
It's his style, no need to be rude

>>2857363
>>2857127
Honestly I'd advise you against stylizing right out of the bat. Try to make it actually like the picture, so you get the proportions right.
Once you get the basics, stylizing is much easier.

>>2857408
I understand, I was scared to tackle the features but what you're saying makes sense, cheers.

>>2857405
He has no style...

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Okay, so I tried the dissection part on Draw A Box. Pic related is supposed to be a kiwi. Am I on the right path?

>>2857423
He has no grace...

>>2857367
Draw it several times,you will see it gets cleaner, its a good exercise

>>2856788
bout a month

>>2857363
If you're directly tracing the image (copying most of the lines and shit), I'd rather mention that I used a reference. Better to be safe than sorry.
However, if a pose is common enough, it's fine. And if your image looks way too different from the original, that's fine too.

>>2857467
I see, thanks for clearing that up.

>>2857444
This looks very much like it was taken from Instagram, but whoever made this can post in the draw thread I think

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>>2856831
>>2853584
>>2853585

>>2857494
How does one get as good as you

>>2857495
You already are much better than me!

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>>2857363

>>2857514
C-cute!

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In progress, not very confident

>>2857426
Yes! Try as hard as this for the remainder of the exercise and you'll be as good as Uncomfortable wanted you to be

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>>2857514
It wasn't that noticeable in the sketch, but her neck seems overly long and incorrectly placed now. That's because you drew her from a different angle and with a shorter face than in the picture. With the current angle, the left side of the trapezius should be visible, see the green line.

>>2856171
>>2856170

>>2857402
Not sure if I am correct on this as I'm just going off instinct, but the left side of her torso looks too elongated, and her right elbow looks weird, but I like your linework.

>>2857494
I think you captured their expressions really well!

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Rendering feels like I am driving with a veil on my eyes, at some point I arrive at my destination but I am confused how.

Any fuck ups so far?

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>>2857594

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what the fug, my respect for capable artists just skyrocketed.

started getting into drawing 9 days ago with one of the mastering manga books and rest assured, the heads were easy enough so i got the hang of them quickly. so i was feeling confident enough and tried to do the body today, and even though this is still with the guiding of the book, it felt like my brain was going to explode.. and this just a simplified figure and a easy pose. i just could not do the feet, they always ended up looking like flippers.

can't even imagine how i would ever go about getting this right in a way more complicated pose.

>>2857609
Wow, what book is this? This is better than what most beginners can even do.

But about the complicated pose thing. It just takes practice. No, I'm kidding. All you have to do is attempt them with a reference and now the mind will begin to understand it slowly. Magic. I'm keeping an eye on you.

>>2857587
Ahh it needed a fresh pair of eyes, thanks for pointing this out.

>>2857614
don't praise me too hard m8 (tho it is appreciated :3), this is literally the pose from the book recreated with a few tiny differences. in the end i couldn't even do the feet.

The book is mastering manga 1 from mark crilley, he has tons of shit bout animu on his youtube too

>>2857626
>>2857609
whoa dude, do you have a blog?

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pls someone help. I can draw good on paper but how to draw smooth lines with graphic tablet. Any suggestions? I search and find something called "Lazy Nezumi plug-in" Are professionals using it?

>>2857641
No, professionals just get used to the tablet through years of experience.

>>2857628
no but i have a deviantart for some vectorizations of anime screenshots i did. if you aren't just memeing me, you can google iwannalickibukisfeet and will find it easily

>>2857598
his right eye is kinda looking at the ground

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>>2856164
~20 mins
I guess eyes too far from eachother ?
Anything else ?

>>2857654

Oh shit, you're right. Thanks, brah

>>2857427
This /beg/gar draws a funny face

>>2856227
It's a JJBA pose.

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Ok so I know there's a lot I should be practicing before I get into coloring and that my drawings are generic. But besides that, any advice on my coloring? Not finished obviously but I followed some coloring tutorials and did the left girl's clothes/hair and the lighting looks off. Do I need to use less opacity when shading? Sharper light/dark edges? Maybe the tutorials I followed were for more realistic styles.

>>2857692
Drop coloring.

>>2857692
You need more contrast in your colors as in darks and lights.

>>2857711
thank

>>2857713
Ok that helped, just by duplicating my light and dark layers it looks a but more natural, though I do need to put some more work into it obviously, thanks.

>>2857641
anyone know the artist for this?

>>2857739
@InCaseArt

Guys, how can I become a worse at drawing?

>>2857757
break both wrists

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>>2856162
Whatever

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Feels a bit flat, what am I missing? (besides the hair). Also, good night. See you tomorrow fellow /beg/gargs

>>2857808
Amazing.

>>2857811
you're missing the neck and the shoulder, it will add depth and also the grey background doesn't help.

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Can I get a redline on this?
I am having trouble visualizing the angle the fish has to be in the pan to make sense (or does the pans angle have to be adjusted?).
Please be quick, I need this for a project.

>>2857861
Looks fine to me

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>>2857861
sorry it took so long

>>2857877
HOLY FUKCING SHIT THANK YOU SO FUCKING MUCH, I GOT IT. THANK YOU. RED LINE IS GOOD. WEHAT IS YOUR PAYPAL SO I CAN TRANSFER YOU SOME MONEY FOR THIS?

>>2857875
Really? Something feels off about it, maybe I'll wait a bit longer, see what others have to say.

>>2857911
Jar/mug whatever and the handle are out of perspective

>>2857922
the jars should be more open right? Like the opening at the top should be more ovular than that?

If you have the time and don't mind, could you redline to show me?

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>>2857946

>>2857999
Same on the upper part of the jar, everything is kinda skewed tho, that doesn't help

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>>2857811
At least do what >>2857817 says and tone the canvas. It'll help a lot. Also you need to alternate between using hard and soft edges - the circled part in pic related is quite hard of an edge while in your painting it's almost as soft as the rest of the face which can lead to this very plastic-y robotic uncanny feel.

Anyone has that template of a bunch of cilinders to practice textures?

>>2858005
Thank you very much, anon!

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Realism practice, I'm really happy with this one.

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>>2858125
Reference used.

>>2858125
>File name
>Your comment is worse than your pic wtf, put it on top of the reference and lower the opacity for a fucking second.

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>>2858125
Also the face is too wide

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>>2858125
I know this is /beg/ but christ

>>2858173
We are not here to judge
They are blind and we must show them the light

>>2856159
Fuck practicing im just going to sell my soul

>>2858125
The more you put off reading the sticky, the more you're putting off getting good. It's your choice, at the end of the day and I hope you're happy with what you choose.

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Hey guys, just doing this digital shape study. I got it from a ref photo since I don't yet have my own 3d shapes. I will get some though, but for now I'm studying with this.

Anyway, any tips on how to blend and make it neat? I'm using a normal brush at 40% opacity to try to blend the shades but its coming out looking very smudged. Also any other critiques?

And does anyone have links to reference photos for shapes? Thanks.

>>2856469
What the actual fuck is that hair?
You don't understand three-dimensionalality enough to do redlines at this point

>>2858206
We do not actually blend believe it or not, use eye dropper and color pick the value in between.

I need a self esteem boost, anyone got that "progress" pic where someone doesn't improve at all, starts using layers like 2 years after getting photoshop and even gets a cintiq?

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>>2856170

>>2858220
Layers don't make you good though

>>2858223
they improve efficiency

>>2858219
Yes, that's what I do. So just keep painting between values till it evens out?

>>2858230
Sort of, try it and report back. It takes a few hours to do.

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I missed a day but I am back! Here is my latest couple wc, and some practice lips in the background.

Slightly parted lips are so hard because trying to add teeth without making them look like the are "hick Teeth" or something is hard. (very unflattering for women if you don't get it right)

>>2858235
>that headphone
>that keyboard

>>2858205
I'm currently going through Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, I'm just posting my practice.

>>2858237
What about them? Also once upon a time I actually used to Dj and they are not really pleb tier headphones either. :p

http://www.ultrasone.audio/en/products/dj/dj-1

>>2857555

It looks weird. BUT YOU ARE STILL BETTER THAN ME BY A LOT SO YOU GOT THAT GOING FOR YOU.

>>2858217

Hi, you must be new.

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First time painting in progress
im gonna finish this up quickly and do another one bigger and more detailed. this canvas and res is too small to work comfortably

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>>2858128
Just pen

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fuck open mouths

>>2858300
>>2858235
>fuck open mouths
Same

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Links on how to greyscale?

>>2858338
Do value studies

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I hate perspective so much, I can draw an ok person but drawing straight 3D objects feels impossible to me.

I'm going through draw a box and it was going alright until I reached part 3 and now I feel like a retard who has never drawn before, I can't even put a square dead center on a line it got so bad that I tried it in paint and I'm still fucking it up.

It's probably the most frustrated I've been with drawing.

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>>2858341
u get better every time u practice

>>2858341
>>2858344
Reminds me that I haven't see that drawabox anon in a while, like a week.

>>2858348
you mean the DRAW A BOX = ISIS guy?

>>2858372
No there was an anon who was doing this rotating box exercise, but I've never seen him after that.

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>>2858344
I took a deep breath and tried to keep going but I don't think I can finish this.

I'm going to have to add this to my daily routine.

>>2858375
stay calm and try to visualize the vanishing points

>>2856159
So with this loomis stuff, do I just copy the plates over and over until I can do them from memory perfectly?

>>2858341

Relax and read this: http://drawabox.com/faq#rotatedboxes

>>2857811
darken the background on the left to be the same as the one on the right

>>2857811
his right jaw is higher on the left than it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be near in line with the mouth

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>>2858206

Whew, it took a while but I finished my shading. It was a real grind but I managed to make it neat somewhat. Still a lot of smudgy shading.

Anyone have links for shape reference photos?

>>2858442
Yeah, you need to make your brush smaller and really get in there.

What do you mean by shape reference photos though?

If you mean like the one you're doing, forget it. Just move on to real objects.

>>2858445
Yeah I meant more photos, but you're right I should just draw real objects now.

>>2858373
You're right! Where the hell is Jeremias?
Did he graduate?

>>2858580
he said he was taking his cartoons to /draw/, maybe he stopped grinding fundies.
or maybe he is training animation like he said he wanted to.

>>2857817
>>2858008
>>2858414
>>2858416


Good morning and thanks a lot for the advice guys, I'll get working on it.

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3 weeks progress, on the left first one i ever posted here

what do you think guys ?

still can't do a lot of things like jaw or eyes but well, still happy about it

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Is it a waste of time to do portraits, or are they a good way to practice fundamentals? I am not sure if I should be doing gesture drawing, perspective or anatomy studies instead

>>2858694
Do all of them

>>2858693

Solid progress Anon, keep it up.

>>2858222
I'm only a beginner myself but I really liked this attempt anon, looks well done.

cant draw heads from a downward angle.
any good examples i can use?

>>2858694
Potrait drawing is a really good exercise, since to do a good one you need to have a lot of knowledge about Construction, Perspective, Measuring, Values etc...
Plus it isn't as hard as drawing a hole fucking body, with head and body..so plus that.
And like that other Anon said, still do all of them.
As many Studies you can.

>>2858715
It's much easier to draw a body than it is to perfect the face.

>>2858718
It's much easier to draw a face than it is to perfect the body.

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>>2856166
meh

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I think I'll try to go for a demon theme, gotta figure out how to draw smoke. Any suggestions?

>>2858759
hes ready for some big digger nick

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how should I start my copy when studying something? a skull, for example. should I start with rough construction, with blocking in or else..?
should my approach be exactly the same as the one I want to use for drawing from imagination? I'm not a beginner really, but that copy thing gets me confused af

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Please
Anyone has a template for practicing textures?

Can I gitgud if I just draw stills from:
https://movie-screencaps.com/movie-directory/

I've already done about half of right side and keys to drawing, but getting bored of them

>>2858936

Movie stills is probably the best way to learn composition skills. It can also help with learning color and values especially with respect to composition and how to lead the viewer's eye to the interesting parts of a scene.

So long as you're actually studying it and not just copying random scenes you'll go places. You'll need to practice all the other shit too, but this is useful.

>>2858936
>>2858945

That's fucking awesome, thanks for the source pal.

>>2858768
A man's face requires sharpness. Your demon looks kind of androgynous. Other than that... well, IDK, apply some texture and polish your lines? The form already looks good enough.

>>2858914
Wut do you mean?

Should I bother with gesture drawing at all if I don't know anything about anatomy?

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>>2858958
>Wut do you mean?
the template to do pic related

>>2858966
ofc

>>2858966
>>2858972

That said, is there such a thing as posemaniacs for animals?

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>post this on /vp/ (charizard+gyarados fusion)
>got bullied because of my bad skills
>any tips to get better at drawing pokemon?

>>2858978
i don't thing that posemaniac is a good thing for gestures, why not just photos/vids?

>>2858999

I really don't, but I like the timed feature. Why is posemaniac not good? is it because they are 3D models?

>>2859005
>is it because they are 3D models?
yeah, not very natural and lacking subtle tilts and turns (that are so sweet in real ppl imo haha)

>>2859020

I'll be using Qucikposes.com then, seems they use real people

>>2858989
Generally, the answer is not to just draw more pokemon. It's always best to go back to the fundamentals. If you're completely new, the sticky is a great place to start with that

>>2858989
>>2859026

This guy is not kidding, drill fundamentals.

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>>2856162
>tfw no soul

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>>2857655
2nd try this time 30 mins or so

>>2859064
Whoops

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>>2859067

>>2858693
sorry anon, left one is way better

>>2856686
concentrate on proportions right now don't worry about shading until the proportions are right!

>>2856759
excellent.

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Guys, is this the right outcome of practicing gesture drawing? Feels like I am drawing spaghetti

>>2858969
anon, you literally just draw 3D shape and copy it.
if you can't do that, you can't go draw some textures.

>>2859026
>>2859044
Thanks for helping. I'm not completely new and it's true I expected "draw more pokemon" even if I hoped a different answer like yours. I'll make the drawabox exercises then, I think they fit my goal

>>2857447
ive been drawing for two months and im not half as good

should i quit drawing?

>>2859138
Breh, it's not about "months" it's about hours. Dude probably has the time to grind 4+ hours a day.
Just do your thing and don't compare yourself to others

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>>2859138

this >>2859142

Also it might be how you're going about your practice that's holding you back. "The Fundamentals" get stressed to hell and back here but you need to have the right approach to studying them, which is why people drop gorillians for art school.

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>>2858128

>>2859150
Somehow, she turned out ugly. Ugly as in "old slut, drug addict, served ten years in female prison". I think it's the expression and sharp lines instead of soft shading. By expression I mean that characteristic look of disinterest and contempt in her mouth and eyes. If you actually tried to copy the expression, then be careful with your lines. A couple of differently drawn lines can change the look dramatically, and the more lines a face has, the older it looks.

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drew this alien head, would like your feedback

>>2858768
one of the best studies in this thread ruined

>>2859209

In what sense? You just don't like the sketch of the new additions or just the form itself? What can I do to improve it?

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>There now! Didn't I tell you I'd make an artist out of you in no time? Now folks you've just had your first taste of the >fun that's in this business. Keep going' but please don't be satisfied. The real fun is ahead.

He is just fucking with me right?
>please don't be satisfied
I cannot even copy and the motherfucker tells me not to be satisfied

what shedule would you recommend a not toal beginner that is shit at figure drawing?

im torn between betty edwards, a bit of loomis, and drawabox, and since ive got internet back some posemaniacs for some figures from life

but i dont know, im pretty chaotic

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>>2859121
don't draw gestures with stick figures or couple of ovals, do, ehh, a bundle of spaghetti at least, cooked ofc
imagine as if you need to find the common denominator of a leg, for example, so you cut out all the bumps and draw an ehhh spaghetti.
gesture is, basically, a proper, natural way of connecting masses. and obviously you can't properly place, for example, the ribcage in relation to the pelvis based on a single line, you need a "river"
you can try pick any noob drawing and trace the gesture, it's not gonna be very pretty

>>2858281
her eyes are wonky

Is drawing anime fine if I'm doing it for fun

>>2859243
everything goes if its for fun

>>2859121
I think some of these are actually pretty good, since i can actually tell what pose you were trying to do.
yet the Construction is really lacking.

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>>2859233

Alright, I think I understand what you mean. I'll give it a few more tries and see if I can extremely simplify the pose.

>>2859250
>Construction is really lacking.

I have zero idea of anatomy, I am following Vilppu's book that I started today and it seems I gotta start with gesture before anything so I am grinding that.

>>2859202
Lovely, it's a simple, memorable design, but I have some questions -

What does he eat?
His teeth are too small for a carnivore, too sharp for a herbivore. Perhaps an insect-eater? But then what about the tongue, shouldn't it be adapted for that somehow?
It seems to be adapted for speaking, but does he speak? His static eyebrows and lack of muscles able to show emotion suggests he's not a sapient creature, is that so?

As a concept designer, those are the questions you'll be payed to answer with your drawings. You'll be payed for design solutions, not pretty drawings.

so if i wanna go into figure drawing from imagination, would this be a good sort of plan to follow

- first up my mechanical skills through the countless exercises that exist
- get the basics of perspective down (1 & 2 Point perspective), being able to draw all the basic shapes in these
- draw stuff from life
- play more with shapes, trying to fuse them, subtract them etc
- get into gesture drawing and the basics of construction
- anatomy

>>2859257
oh yeah and i'll probably wanna learn some basic shading. shit's gonna get complicated with only lines yo, or should i focus on shading after all of the other stuff

>>2859250
>>2859253
>yet the Construction is really lacking.

I actually just realized what you mean by that, and I can see how my excuse about not knowing anatomy doesn't make any sense. I am going to try to work on that too now.

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Setting up a still life to paint. Suggestions/tips?

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I know I messed up some of the placement but please god, Anon, tell me I'm going to make it. Tell me there is hope for me yet, and this isn't evidence that I will never git gud.

>>2859278
Eyes are way too big, cut back on the anime.

>>2859278
seems about like a step on the path to getting good to me

>>2859278

Source from 2 threads ago , was going through threads since I browsed last and I really wanted to give this photo a shot. Didn't actually take 2 threads worth of time to complete.

>>2850877

>>2859279

kk, don't draw anime just suck at proportions.
>>2859280

Thank you, I honestly feel like I'm making zero progress sometimes, even knowing It's even one step is motivation.

>>2859255
it lives in the slumbs of large cities, and it usually eats whatever it can get its hands on. canned food, thrown away microwave dishes and sometimes a rat if it is lucky enough.

it does have a very limited problem solving ability, but it is by no means intelligent. think of it as a small child or a cat.

they don't really form much of a threat, but are viewed more as a hindrance by the people that live in the city. they are easily scared away by loud noises or bright lights

>>2859255

Wow, I never would have thought of that, but it seems obvious when you point it out! It's interesting to see the background thought put into character design.

>>2859233
Really? I tried to do gestures like this and I was told not to just draw contours like the image.

>>2859202
>24.12.16
???

>>2859278
at least you resized
also did you smudge? it looks so a bit, but it could just be the photo. anyway if you did, don't
you seem on a good path otherwise, just practice more

>>2859292
Date I finished the drawing, I do that for all my drawings to keep track of my progress.

>>2859296

Ok, I will not smudge anymore. I did smudge on her left cheek and forehead, but no where else (intentionally).

So I can learn, why should I not smudge, I'm doing a first year course, which so far is literally just photo study after photo study with no instruction of how/which tools or why. The instructor did tell us to smudge around with our fingers or stumps however.

>>2859088
No it isn't you idiot. Too used to anime? Weebs don't have a sense of depth when it comes to faces. Something they share with autists.

>>2859304
your instructor sounds honestly shit, if he doesn't really explain anything and just expects you to turn in works
i'd say smudging slows down your learning proccess, and it also looks unprofesional and messy. all of my drawing instructors always adviced us not to do it.
you seem to do good on shading with the pencil too, so i just don't see a reason for you to smudge.

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>>2856630
Usefull thank you m8

>>2858344
Guys, do we do these with or without a ruler?

>>2859353
Without

>>2859327

That makes a lot of sense, something about the cheek to me felt weird after I smudged it, like it didn't fit in with the rest of the image. Well thank you for the crit and knowledge. It helps a lot to know I'm moving forward, even if at slow pace.

>>2859353

Make guidelines with a ruler.

>>2859378
Oh yeah that makes more sense. Thanks

>>2857402
R-ref?
I need it for studies.

>>2859394
>>2859394
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>>2859257
Basically yes.

For perspective, it's just all about understanding the basics. You don't have to go too far with it.

Draw stuff from life actually incorporates 3 skills. One is observational skill, your ability to draw what you see, not what you think you see. The other is understanding values, lighting, and shading. So basically how light hits an object and how it produces different values on each surface plane to make it look 3d. Lastly is basic understanding of perspective.

If you master that part, moving into figure drawing will be easier than if you have no experience with that. The reason is because figure drawing really breaks down to drawing basic forms. A head is just a sphere with combinations of other shapes. A torso is a cube. Arms are cylinders. etc. Forget about drawing only outlines. Start right away with 3d.

Basic shading is a must in this case because it will be what brings volume to all your drawings. You have to be able to shade all the values properly and neatly. Messy shading will cover up your mistakes or make them look worse.

Anatomy will come later, once you actually begin drawing figures. And drawing from imagination will be the last part.

>>2859278
Don't rush. Get into the habit of drawing cleanly.

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still in the first chapter of Keys to Drawing, but it's helping a lot i think

the left one I tried to do the upside-down drawing thing. right one I did normally.

ref: >>2856166

crit pls

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>>2856170
I couldn't get the face right no matter how many times I tried re-drawing it. Does anyone have any ideas? Other critiques are also welcome.

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first time messing with oil

What's that thing Glenn Vilppu has behind his head? It's he a cyborg?

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>>2856469
Tank boy!
>>2858217
The hair was a joke I think, like, you can include different construction styles in a single drawing, it's amazing.

>>2856162
>>2856163
Ugg, Chin and hand alterations...

>>2859601
That smile is comical.

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>>2859601
i genuinely lost my shit out loud

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hello
is it me
ive been wondering if after all if this is how im supposed to render

>>2859601
>wonder what all the fuss is about
>open image
>that smile
Fucking got me, anon.

>>2859601
Not sure I should be offering advice, but the thing I notice is the whole face is too far right.

Also, I forgot to ask, please crit >>2860576
Do I have to ask that here, or is it implied?

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Pretty happy with this. Thanks to they guy with the image about seeing shapes. Helped a lot.