Alternative ART / Stylization GENERAL THREAD

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looking for a bit of critique on the raw sketch, doing this character >>2377283

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Trying out some biomech-ish ideas.

how do I study rendering materials ?

>>2379652
the ref chin is wider. work on that. also your thighs might be a bit too long, and work on the knees. another thing i'd say is that the calves ar a bit too small in your drawing. put on some meat on the bones.

>>2379693
try some of these material studies. use references look up contents of your material. get your whole mind around what you're trying to put on canvas.

http://orig04.deviantart.net/0729/f/2013/001/c/a/material_studies__by_suzanne_helmigh-d5q2bo9.jpg

>>2379697
so take photo of rocks and render it on a sphere ?

>>2379675
thats nice

>>2379675
They feel really off balance to me. Try centering the weight more if you're going to make them bipedal.

help
how do i foreshortening?

>>2379831
search foreshorening tutorials.

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>>2379831
fuck, forgot pic

>>2379675
so many details, so little content

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>>2379837
thumbnail reminds me of this.

>>2379675
It might be the balance like >>2379767 said but for some reason I just don't buy that those legs support them. Maybe more interesting poses with obvious weight distribution would be more convincing.

>>2379650
why'd you stretch it??

>>2379675
Biomechish stuff is one of my favorite subjects but I would redo the legs desu senpai

>>2379950
why do you have to type that. is it a mental illness kind of thing

>>2379973
Indeed it is senpaitachi

>>2379697
>that last one from the 4th row
I sure hope no one here has trypophobia!

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>>2379695
thx for the feedback

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WIP

Trying the AO/Disney/Pixar kind of coloring method, feels it doesn't really work for me

Critique welcome

>>2380543
R E S I Z E !
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your thumbnail reads well and it's colors are perfectly fine, the problems you have there are your foundations for that drawing
the drawing is weak, right now it lacks form or structure
the values are pretty random, you are not really thinking how things should be, you're just doing shadows randomly every time there's something convex over that area, that's no foundation
choose the position of your light source, choose if it's close or far away (directions from the source can be paralel or conic), then draw those lines doing tangents to your forms, so you can calculate something beilable

then, do values, keep in mind that the core shadow is the darkest area of shadows (except the places where light can't even get in)
At the moment, even if the contrasts are good, the shadow zones doesn't get brighter to the left, where the ambient light would bright that up
Last, but not least, when you color, mind that the most saturation areas are next to the core shadow, before the midtone that's the area of max saturation

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Thanks to some very helpful and thorough feedback, I think I"m getting closer to that evil pop singer design. She doesn't seem to be far enough into villain territory yet though. Any advice on how to push that angle farther?

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They're a set of two prints, cut down the middle, which is why looking at it as one piece might be a bit awkward.

>>2380753
What's with the inconsistency of the knee's shapes?

>>2380770
They don't understand what they're drawing. They've just regurgitated another artist's symbols.

>>2380753
I think I remember you posting a WIP of this on here before, am I correct? I remembered that when I saw you post on AANI recently. I like your work

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>>2380715
For me the eyes are too big, make them a lil smaller like this, I think it looks better

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WIP, but always looking for feedback

>>2380805
Stage left arm is too long. It looks dislocated at the elbow. Head is small or torso is long. Booty flesh doesn't look compressed against the ground.

>>2380805
My only feedback right now is Taki is the better ninja. Also, the way her right arm is resting on that knee is pretty awkward. Looks like it's clipping through it.

>>2380805
look stiff relax her muscles/posture

>>2380818
>>2380820
>>2380843
Thanks for the feedback, anons. I'll revisit it tomorrow. Sleep for now

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How is it looking?

>>2380866
purposely leaving the blue lines doesn't help mask your failures

>>2380866
The line weight is too uniform, imho.

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>>2380871
Dang, I hoped no one noticed

>>2380878

Everyone intelligent enough noticed your attempt to hide things. You're only doing yourself a disservice when you know what's wrong with your own drawing.

>>2380715
oh man thats nice

>>2380787
Thanks anon, I will try that.

>>2380900
Thank you!

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>>2379650
Just sketched it. Please tell me how bad it is so I won't do it again.

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>alternative art/stylizations
>all they do is drawing weeb waifus

>>2381074
that's because most non-weeb drawfags complains instead of posting stuff.

>>2381075
The non-weeb drawfags who do post their work tend to be good. While the weeb drawfags by in large are pretty trashy outside of maybe 1 or 2.

>>2381094
then why complain instead of posting?

>>2380948
you should also try to point eyes at the camera, aiming down and a bit more to the left

looking few km away on a closeup is weird for that kind of thing

>>2381116

because he's trash

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started this

>>2380969
your attitude is shit, completly, so if you're willing to drop something, you must quit that attitude
who cares how shit it is, you don't realice how many thousands of drawings like that everyone else has been doing too at some point when they lacked education
You want to hear a harash coment or what? you're masochistic
If you want to learn to draw learn some humilty and be smarter (it's a choice), ask for help rather than asking for negativity,and read the sticky, and then use this site www.drawabox.com with discipline

If you want to draw animu at that point use references, measure and use your construction, but learn to draw ovals, right there the base for that face is a broken oval, they're not perpendicular with the outsidie shape, they're tangent (use google if you don't know yet)

don't practice frontal views, if you wanna grind, you have to grind each fundamental individually, if you don't know what to do, learn what to do first of all, as that's the obvious first thing to do you need

>>2379650
So how do you draw this? Not talking about the brush, but this would require constant straight lines, what tools are you using?

>know whats wrong with drawing
>try to fix it
>fuck it up even more

How do I help this, all of my good drawing involve a reference

>>2381150
I'm not him, but click, aim, alt+click for straight lines

>>2381153
>How do I help this, all of my good drawing involve a reference
that's a universal rule m8, even loomis drew more realistic with reference than without
you're just expecting weird things

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1/3
garbage i know
as usual tear me apart senpais

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>>2381167
2/3

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>>2381168
3/3

>>2381167
>elbow wings
Big bird? More like nig turd. Get your shit together.

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>>2380587
i can't sleep and i like designing characters, hope this helps nail the evil vibe with a little subtlety

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>>2381179
Could be sexier, your character is androgynous as fuck. Take reference on Ragyo maybe.

>>2381183
ye i know how to do sexy lol its not my problem this anon gave her no tiddies,
im just tweakin the outfit, wanted to keep the cartoony vibe also
>implying i wasn't thinking of ragyo when i drew that smug face

>>2381187
Even if you were thinking about Ragyo for the smugness the result doesn't live up to her's at all, the overall head/face really could be improved.

And sexy =/= showing off tits

Could give her some nice hips and thighs for example.

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>>2381189
>thinking of how to explain why i didn't make a 10 minute sketch live up to a studio trigger villian
>why didn't i focus on making sexy hips while i was designing someone elses dress
yeah man thats crazy

>>2381198
Except I'm just saying how she could be improved here.

>>2381198
>>2381189
actually, i don't plan on sleeping, ill give it a shot.
could be fun. brb

>>2381200
also that was out of line for me to react like that i should have more pride as an artist, so thank you for pushing me to be better, i actually sincerly mean this too.
>brb

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Trying out something new

>>2381223
Did he lose his legs?

>>2381225
he's sitting

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>>2381225

yeah dude totally

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>round 2

>>2381229

Dude these are awesome! Thank you so much, you've given me a lot to think about. I'll post my crack at the redesign either today or tomorrow.

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kek

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>>2381146
Hey, man. I appreciate where you're coming from and all, I really do, but I was going more for a Tomm Moore style and just goofing around, taking a moment away from Loomis. I felt kinda pathetic for trying it and even felt a little guilty for posting it.

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ayy

>>2381135
Fuckin sweet.
Anywhere you post your stuff?

>>2380753
I find these very appealing! Nice work!

>>2380770
I wrote out a proper excuse about time deadlines and abandoning changes halfway through, forgetting to come back, but >>2380774 has mostly got it down pat. None of it would have been an issue if I had just fundamentally understood knees from the get go.

>>2380778
Yeah, I posted the WIP a while back. And thanks.

>>2381323
this one is good.
sauce,page?

>>2381737
thanks man!

http://jamesabbit.tumblr.com/

Have you guys taken any studies on Character Designs? Like, learning the Fundamentals of Character Design? If so, can anyone here answer this question:

>>2379956

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>>2381283
tits r gonna be animated with high detail :^)

>>2382003
Oh, is it gonna be an up-down hover with mild tiddy jig? Or is she going to be breathing?

What would be the best place to get exposure for Animu? At the moment I have a Pixiv, DA and Twitter accounts. Not sure if I should get myself a instagram/facebook/tumblr one, what do you think of those?

>>2381853
I've never taken the class, but I'd imagine it'd cover things like
>How basic shapes and silhouettes affect peoples' perception of your characters
>How contrasting color schemes affect characters
(people with similar colors or misc. similar features tend to seem like they're on the 'same side', etc.)

You could probably figure out all of the same things by just studying Disney/Pixar characters' designs for a while. (Or alternatively, something closer to your current style or that you REALLY fucking like.)
Note the shape language used in villains vs. in protagonist characters or supporting roles.

Character design is a really subjective topic, though. It involves a lot of changing minor things until you're happy and you have something you can draw consistently.

>>2381167

I can't into colors, but don't you think the skintone is rather saturated in contrast to the feather and scales part?

>>2379693
look at materials, realize the difference between each one and how your eye recognizes which material this is, generally the main thing to study is how the material interacts with light and the shapes/textures

>>2382125
>DA
BAD place to gain exposure, in my opinion. They have some seriously sketchy rules around using peoples' art to market and other users tracing/stealing art. BUT, since it's an art site specifically, a big chunk of exposure could be soaked up here. Shitty for mass-posting images.
>Tumblr
will get you the most exposure in general, assuming you draw lots of fanart. The site owners are pretty cool about theft, etc. but a big chunk of the users are trashy. You can get out of it by refraining from posting shit that'd piss off SJWs (or anti-SJWs.)
>Pixiv
Sorry about this one, but your art most likely won't stand out too much here. Most animu artists fall into the same sort of generic styles and it's very hard to stand out among them unless you're pushing in a different direction.
>Twitter
I don't have a lot of experience with this, but it seems a lot less consistent than Tumblr or DA for gaining exposure.
>Instagram
Again, not a ton of experience. Seems even less consistent than Twitter, but you can post photos and traditional art pretty easily here.
>YouTube
Good speedpaints get some serious views. Animating here will fuck you, though.
>Newgrounds
Not a huge amount of views, but if you're really good you might get a chunk of cash from here once in a while.
>Facebook
Seems like a shitty place for art unless you're previously famous. And even then, it still seems shitty.

Everywhere has its ups and downs. I'd recommend getting a Tumblr and deleting your DA. If you're really diligent, you could try to rock all of them.

>>2382157
>tumblr
You mean the worst site in history for art galleries?
Every time the only site an artist has is tumblr I get so fucking pissed. It's such a pain to go through.

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i wish to please the benis

>>2382157
> Pixiv : Sorry about this one, but your art most likely won't stand out too much here.

I have almost 400k pages views and 2.600 followers at the moment, so I don't think it's too bad, only problem is that, well, it's still a japanese website.

Don't feel your list helped much though, none of those seems interesting when you put it like that.

>>2382164
It'll get you the most exposure, though. I don't really like it either, but the site itself is all-around better than DA and not a lot of people even check most of the other sites.

>>2382171
I think Pixiv is one of those things where everyone follows everyone because everyone is pretty good. I'm not really sure, though, it just doesn't seem that useful to me. I'm glad you seem to be doing well for yourself on it, though.

>Don't feel your list helped much though, none of those seems interesting when you put it like that.
Yeah, they're all pretty shitty in their own ways, but there isn't much else when it comes to putting your shit out there.
Making an art-only Tumblr would probably get you the most exposure out of any of it, but again, only if you spam fanart.

>>2382168
my benis is almost pleased except that nose looks kinda weird imo

>>2382168
>that bizarrely long upper arm
Deformity fetishes will love you

Really though, the anatomy here is quite poor. Use a ref.

>>2382171
>>2382182
What's the best time to post on pixiv? Normally even my shirt stuff gets attention, but I recently posted a piece that was crazy successful on other social media. My interaction rate was great on pixiv; more comments, favorites, and followers per visitor than ever before; but it got like no views? A relatively popular series, and it got way way less views than any thing I've ever posted, even shifty originals or obscure series etc. Like, just the normal views you get for posting. My only explanation is that I posted it at a bad time, but maybe I fucked up elsewhere?

>>2382191
Forgot the tags?

>>2382168
rendering looks breddy good :DDDDD

whatever happened with those shoulders though

>>2382191
Don't draw for validation. Views and likes mean nothing unless they translate into income.

>>2382200
That's sort of arguable. Getting a decent following could translate to commission-based income in the future, and the people who hire artists do look at the artists' personal sites/galleries/etc.

Exposure is not validation.

>>2382168
what the fuck

>>2379898
can you source me on this gif?

>>2382148
That's racist.

>>2382193
Nope, I got all my tags in. It's just an abnormally low view count, maybe 1/10ths of what I'm used to, even after several days.

>>2382200
My main source of income is my art, since I sell prints both irl and online. People finding or reposing my art from Pixiv has led me to online store sales in the past. So yes, views and likes mean a lot to me.

>>2379947
>>2379895

Love it

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I've been trying to develop a unique style of drawing. Any critique?

>>2382324
Go in the OPPOSITE direction with your noses, and brush up on basic anatomy/construction.
Trust me, the over-exaggerated body blush on a big, poorly-defined nose is really unappealing.

>>2382324
Is this b8?

>>2382324
absolutely disgusting

>>2382324
Hello Tumblr, fuck off.

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posting here as well as draw thread as i have stylized colours a fair bit and wish for advice on said colours (and anything else)

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>>2382330
>>2382333
>>2382334
>>2382336
It's not bait. I'm not aiming to lose the dark nose in the style as it's what's makes it unique to the animu shit out there.. Sorry that wasn't the best example of my style. Maybe this will help you see.

>>2382324
I don't understand.
The color harmony is pleasant.
The line weight is uniform and pleasing.
The composition is pretty fundamentally solid (mid,mid).

But....its...
...just, really quite bad, baffling really how someone could grasp those other aspects of the work at such a journeyman's level but when it came down to the actual "drawing" and subject matter, they fuck it up.

This is what tumblr is doing to kids i swear.
Just robbing them of potential.

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>>2382344

>>2382344
I don't think it's bait. I just think it's bad. Changing coloration just for the nose looks bad. I know it's a meme and all now but seriously. It's not even cool or appealing as a style. It's just... dumb.

Like, I applaud you for trying something different and showing it off to such a harsh community, but this style isn't working. Try something else.

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>>2382168
the body makes no sense.
at all.
are you flipping your canvas anon?

>>2382360
hunch-back lmao

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Didn't spend long enough on this one

>>2382268
https://youtu.be/nNBadjq-nXk

>>2381150
I'm the guy that drew it, I use paint tool SAI and liberal usage of ctrl-z.
For longer lines, I try to do quicker strokes, zooming out helps that as well. Other lines I just do my best to be steady-handed.

>>2382360
I had a good laugh. Thankd anon.

>>2382168
What the fuck is wrong with her body

>>2382148
i cant into color either anon and shit youre right
thanks a bunch senpai

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Is there anything super wrong with this?

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Really rough idea of one of my wizard-type OCs, would love to get some feedback

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Some quick character designs for a school work.

>>2382512

I love the beastie and the goblin but the animu girl stylistically feels really out of place.

>>2382504
I'd honestly say not much more than the fundamental choices you made in starting the piece as some generic happy anime girl staring into space. I can't render for shit, and I don't know if you met your own goals or not.

>>2374150

Blog?

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>>2381517
Hey thanks man. Yeah, I post there.
http://ultrapitchfork.tumblr.com/

I don't update it often though

>>2382512
Sure don't learn much from your copies, do you?

>>2382603
Hey, this is quality stuff. Followed regardless. I'm liking pretty much everything I see.

i have been studying for awhile now, and maybe I missed it in the sticky but I need to understand line weight better than the tuts I have found. Gradient as well. I am having trouble with light and shadow.

>>2382168
JT when will you pick up an anatomy book?

>>2382603
DAMMIT Fly why are you always loved by everyone?

>>2382782
cuz it's actually a good work all around?

>>2382786
>>2382782
>talking to yourself

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>>2381229

I went ahead and inked the sketch I had with a lot of these changes in mind. I think I have the character about where I want her! I'll play with the proportions since i still have about a month before she makes her debut in the comic but the design is about where I want it now. Thanks again to everyone who was so helpful

>>2382132
>You could probably figure out all of the same things by just studying Disney/Pixar characters' designs for a while. (Or alternatively, something closer to your current style or that you REALLY fucking like.)

I have some styles I really like, but never knew how to study them. What's the best way to approach studying them? Any advice on that?

>>2382344
It's weird because you're obviously into something here. I mean, your coloring, the idea behind your compistions, those are allright-- it's the drawing itself that looks weird.

You should try and loosenn up a little, study artists that you like and then go ahead with a style of your own.

Think about it as if you were learning to play guitar. Would you strum mindlessly tryng to come up with a song, or would you study songs that you like and then, after being more experienced, write your own?

>>2382875

>>2376521

>>2382887
What if you can already establish all this, yet can't figure out certain features (ie, like having somewhat puffy cheeks on a character).

>>2379767
>They feel really off balance to me
That's what they said about the design for the Evangelions.

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Is taking an image and putting it to grayscale and upping the contrast a good value exercise? I'm trying to go for only 4 values in this and somehow keep as much detail as possible.

>>2382904
No one says that about them.

besides pixiv, where else can i look at anime art for poses to copy?

>>2382961
why do they have to be anime

>>2382963
because real references don't do half of the poses that you would see in anime art

>>2382964
what

>>2382967
what?

>>2382961
Pixiv is ful enough. You should rather use a boory though, the tags alow to ge much easier what you're looking for.

Also, simply manga and Anime.

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>>2382968

Will using famous mangaka's work as reference teach me how to simplify shit in the long run?

>>2382974
/ic/ wil tell you no but yes.

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what do you think of this?

>>2382782
>1 note per picture

>>2383028
i like the style , but in my opinion ,you should change the colors , and i don't think that skin-tone or whatver that is on her ear works with the main skin color , if you understand what i mean . The hair is also.... static

>>2382974
It does, if you combine it with studies of your own.

>>2382505
legs and feet are too small make them a little bigger , i like the concept but the face , not that much , keep up the good work. also , this is my personal opinion , you do whatever you want to do

>>2382512
they look flat

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Work in progress, trying something way more stylized than normally

>>2383049
work on the face, the eyes , also the ears look weird , it's like they don't have any volume

>>2383049
Do a rework on the face and show us after you've done it , also , blog ? Or deviant , smth ?

>>2383053
>>2383056
sure, lot will change before the finalized version, thanks! I want to keep the line art feel to it.

Artstation is: kjkallio.artstation.com

>>2383060
i like alot the Hyena warg rider , the Against all odds , Hunting party

>>2383060
also , the medieval character concepts look good

>>2383060
dude , you have face problems regarding the proportions of the face

>>2383067
>>2383065
>>2383060
Thanks, its all really old work, been down the past couple years with almost nothing to show off from it

>>2383068
im sure, im afraid to touch the face too much in case i lose the expression, ill go have a look at it again, thanks.

>>2383049
face and ears looks fine to me to be honest.

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Better? dont want to detail it too much

>>2383109
hmmm, i just get the feeling that his style is really not that stable ,as he said , he is afraid to approach the portrait and stuff which makes it harder for him to actually develop one

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>>2383120
I disagree, his fundamentals are very solid, I don't know why you think he's lacking.

>>2383113
Yes , so much better , see what you can do to the eyes ... Experiment with them . What i mean is , take the face , copy&paste it a couple times on a new canvas , and try to draw the eyes different . Try to make them a little bigger , or keep the same size bu change the amout of white next to the iris . I would really like to see the results.

>>2383125
I didn't said that his fundamentals are not stable , i just said that his style is ... how can i say this .. .lacks confidence , this is just my opinion anyway , you can ignore it . Also , he admitted that he is afraid a little bit of the face since he doesn't want to lose the expression .

>>2383125
did you drew this ? looks nice man , keep up the good work

>>2383135
nah it's KjKs

>>2383131
this is true, i rarely paint anything stylized, im stuck inside my comfy zone and its hard to break thru, i need to play around more with loose shapes.

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i reversed the image , that eye looks off to me

>>2383142
hmmm somehow my trip has changed, it should be the same.
>>2383143
yea, its definetly gonna need some adjustment, thanks

>>2383148
how do you tackle character design sempai?

>>2382558
Thanks, it's a dumb composition because I hadn't tried this before and wanted something simple.
If the only real problem is that, then I'm pretty happy since it's my first attempt.

>>2383171
Isn't this a popular question.

>>2382904
i mean there is a clear difference man , those look like they are standing on pins

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Please give me a reply, don't leave me hanging you guys. should anything be fixed drastically just talk to me

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>>2382448
>>2382360
>>2382261

fugggg i found refs but idk what happened

trying to redline myself

the forms must be throwing the eye off


>>2382756
actually ive been going to life drawing classes for several months now : -DDDDDD

>>2383248
That face is off , the teeth are weird the nose... is generi , the hair si so not diverse and the eyes are way to animu shit.
My advice is to stop working on this and do this . First , you fuckin draw cubes and ciliders and balls and shadows and stuff and i bet you kinda did that but do them again , do them again and again and again until you start crying. then you go to the portrait (i know you want to draw animu shit but you can't without knowing the basics faggot) . Also , it seems to me that you combined a realistic nose and a realistic mouth with shitty anime eyes and that's a no no .
I can tell you that i spent 3 months drawing only bodies and shit and i cried 4 times because of my frustration but now i understand the body so much better. GET BACK TO THE BASICS!

>>2383262
When something was off i used to take breaks and then get back to the drawing and i just noticed my mistakes really fast . Now i don't have to leave i just stare at the reference and at my drawing until i see it

>>2383049
why is the head so clean cut with no blood or anything ?

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>>2383369
there is more! added a lot more details, didn't see your critique until then

I am currently taking a painting class, where I am repeatedly painting pears. ( box + cylinder)

and more pears.

more pears.

>way too animu

but it's an alternative art thread

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>>2383248
>>2383382
If you are going for a realistic kr0n style it would be easier to rip off kr0n. This is borderline uncanny it is very difficult to pull something off in between animu and a real face without making it look jarring and unpleasant.

Consider pic related she is probably the closest thing for an animu face because of how far apart her eyes are which gives her appeal.

>>2383392
oh-h
thanks tho

>>2383262
the boobs look like they're sagging. and you should've check the back again. the difference between your pic and the ref is that there's a visible trapezoid on the photo but in your pic there's none.

also consider verifying the whole figure sketch before starting the rendering process. that'll learn you to save time instead of polishing turd.

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>>2383382
>>2383248

is it possible to see something so ugly that it makes you unreasonably angry?

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>>2383495
you guys are overreacting.
it's not 'so ugly'

what is it, the eyes?

>>2383532
you're art a shit

>>2383532
You are symbol drawing.
If you want to improve you have to stop.

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>>2383532

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>>2383535
It used to be a lot worse.

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>>2383543
I am not exactly constructing, it's a free study from this photo.

I even moved the eyes and made more room between them.

>>2383532
Flip the canvas and see for yourself.

>>2383532
>what is it, the eyes?
leprosy

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This is it from each side, I think either side looks good, but I see they are asymmetric, the eyes at least.

She has to have nostrils tho if you guys think they are bad. I have to fit them in somehow,

>>2383559
what? Is the skin shading not smoothed enough?

>>2383545
>justasbad

>>2383565
>:(

I give up for tonight

>>2383562
Dunning-kruger effect at it's best. Jfc

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>>2383562
The skin looks muddy. Find a better method for painting it.

>>2383167
i like this

>>2383624

can I get your blog please

>>2383631
PLEASE i'm not meeming

sage

>>2383689

here
>>2383729

>>2382344
>claims post isn't bat
>while posting more bait
You're good.

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>>2383028
You could put some texture/more shading on the left one. It would look great I think. Btw,the strap from her quiver is missing. Also the way her cape bends makes her shoulders looks super large (on the left one). This might be only my taste but I'd make her shoulders smaller and her hips a tad wider so she'd look more feminine. Neat stuff! Tumblr?

>>2382782
I think it's because I don't post a lot. People can't hate me if they don't know I exist.

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>>2381124
Thanks M!

Is this any better?

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Trying to get the armor right.

>>2383871
blog pls

>>2382281
>>2383629
Thanks very much m80s, really nice to read

>>2383871
blog? :^)

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Just started, but I could use some early critique/feedback...

>>2382345
>>2382352
>>2382884
Thank you for the compliments. I'll try my best to work on a more appealing style. Im sorry it doesn't cater to your tastes.
>>2383769
I just wanted advice

>>2383871
your ears are style breaking in this context.
>>2383848
her right arm couldnt possibly connect with that hand
>>2383624
neat
>>2383545
beg thread

>>2383871
Is this some homoerotic Monster Hunter? Nice.
Left-hand guy's cranium looks a little too narrow. Right-hand guy looks great, though. Ears do need a little work like >>2384008 says.

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>>2383971
Made some edits. Raised his lips, lowered his left-hand eye, and added some cranium. Not sure where you were going stylistically, so sorry if these were unnecessary or inaccurate (in general).

>>2383971
Cute style
Neck placement is a bit strange, realistically I should be able to trace the far contour of the neck up to the far ear

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some ideas for an adventures in space comic i'm thinking of

>>2384032
well they are in space...

>>2384022
Thank you for that, I actually did not even notice I drew the lips too low, among other things. I like your edits!

>>2384026
Right, I see what you mean now, I'll work on it, thank you!

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>>2382168
Alright, so, I feel bad critiquing something when I don't feel like I'm too good myself, but I have to.
1/4

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>>2384088
Made proportion edits, leg was fucked up and so was the arm.

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>>2384097
3/4

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>>2384098
Made the hair more tame, because I cant fucking do anything else, added some more form, it didn't look like the hair was moving WITH the shoulder.

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>>2384100

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>>2384100
To be honest, you'r color for the body was great IMHFO, I only messed with the anatomy, try not to show your line art off near the bottom or in the hair anymore, it doesn't work when the body is so well painted.

On a completely related note, will anybody critique my above image? I did a couple hours ago, fairly happy with it, feel free to rip it to parts, I don't have enough self esteem to care anyways.

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>>2384106

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>>2384008
Thanks Nose Bro, I guess I should use a frontal or almost frontal view to make those hands work and since the face was still very unappealing I decided to scrap it.

>>2384008
>>2384019
Thanks, I fixed the ears and made his cranium a bit wider.
And yeah, a monhun bromance, Savage Jho and Furious Rajang armor

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How's that? Obviously I need to improve with hands but besides of this?

>>2384137
you also made it boring by removing tilt, hairflow, etc.

>>2383552
just give up

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y-yes

Is the simplification of hands as graphical shapes within the realm of stylization of simply a form of symbol drawing?

>>2384285
as constant as the tide

>>2384285
This fetish really is bizarre. It's a little girl, yet she's gigantic and muscular. Totally opposite ends of the spectrum.

>>2384293
That's the whole point, anon!!!

>>2384294
I can understand to some degree. My fetish is tf so I like watching a very slight person transform into something bigger, although I also enjoy the opposite. I just never really thought about what exactly was going on in these before and I was like wait a minute, how does that work.

>>2384285
neva stop rinfag luv u

>>2384240
Looks like she's about to suck a cock.

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>>2383262
can you at least say where the fuck you got the reference. Ya know for people who will actually become artists. Instead of a 4chan ic commenter ... Just sayin

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>>2384346
Then again 4chan really isn't known for it's ref abilities, like can you guys even find this image?

>>2384346
>>2384356
what the fuck are you even mad about

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>>2384356
Oh who am I kidding you guys are more "creative writers than actual artists" huh.

>>2384346
edgy

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>>2384357
I guess I've been depressed over my girlfriend who recently died in a train explosion. I've been racking my brain over if I should show her nudes or not. trips decides.

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>>2383848
>>2383848
It's still aiming out of the POV, so that makes it look to nowhere, when it's posing to a photo, it's just weird to look like that

hope this helps you understand how to calculate POV
the more paralel the eyes are, the further it's looking
if you put one of the eyes in the middle vertical line of the composition, it will push further the effect of looking to the camera (this is a trick pro photographers do to make portraits more vivid)

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>>2384362
You know what faggot I hope you get cancer and die by a bear fucking the shit out of you while Leo watches and laughs.

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Hey guys I usually don't do anything like this, can you give me some pointers when doing things in color and line?

>>2384362
Go say that on your favorite media site, who cares.

>>2379895
That's sick man

>>2384285
>...and then she farts!

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wip

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>>2384111
woke up and still laughing

>>2384513

Nice dude! Blog? (no meme intended)

>>2384513
blog?

>>2384285
Same shit different day, right?

>>2384285

Oh u, never stop.

And please, do one where she is smashing building with her butt!

>>2382964
sagukabooru has webms of anime fights and shit that you can pause at for specific frames

you should probably just do the skeleton stickfigure bullshit for action poses and build on them, though

>>2383143
>>2383148
One of her ears is placed incorrectly. That's why people keep saying the ears/face look weird. In the NON-flipped image, it's the stage-right ear.
It shoots straight outward instead of resting at a backwards angle like a normal ear would.

>>2384674
>>2384675
sorry brehs no blog

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>>2384217
not today!

I fixed a lot of the flaws, made the eyes more symmetrical, made the nostrils more gentle, lightened the muddy look going on in the skin tone, especially around the nose, gave her straight teeth and fixed the lips.

What now?

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Playin around with animu again

need to fineesh

>>2384795
You're not good enough to be worrying about rendering or color. Go draw instead.

anyone have an upload of eyes in various angles?

>>2384798
what then, drawingly- viewed, needs to be fixed?

I'm open for both too

I also don't agree with the sentiment that you should focus on lineart first, since I have spent most of my life doing only lines, and NOT coloring, and when I finally want to color a lineart which I like (even though you think it's bad) my coloring is atrocious and does not fit with my current drawing level.

It's like a 14(since you think it's bad) year old drew something and then a 5 year old came and colored it. You get me?

Your skill levels just don't match if you do not develop both at the same time and it's really noticeable.

>>2384797
are you that guy that used to shit all over /ic/ a couple of years ago? Thers something really familliar with your name

>>2384797
anyways, I can imagine this being rendered in some alex negrea way or somehitng like that. I'd love to see it finished.

>>2383972
the only tastes you were catering too are that of autistic children.

>>2384831
do you feel catered to?

>>2384358
neat
>>2384240
love your style. blog?

>>2384240
blog?

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>>2384795
Figured I'd drop in and give some suggestions. However in no way am I saying that I'm "good". My eyes are pretty off in this picture, I didn't finish rendering, and I'm still learning... so take most of it with a grain of salt.

One of the biggest things I think you have a huge problem with is you are trying to detail every nook and crany. Like her lips in your picture look extremely old and chapped. Lines tend to make things look older, especially hard defined ones. That's a good tip if you ever wanna draw grandmas.

Instead of drawing lines, use shadows. Things tend to be "blocks" of color that overlap and less individual lines if that makes sense. I really good way that sounds strange is look up how chicks do contours for make up. It kind of gives you an idea how shadows and lighting can shape the face.

Her eyes are too big because unfortunately the more you head towards realism the less you can exaggerate things with out the looking strange. You need to scale them back and split them further apart.

Also I was confused with her face. Her head shape was somewhat leaning towards manish and maybe too wide in my opinion? Her skin colors look really blotchy, might I suggest using a low opacity brush and going over things a few times if you weren't already.

You surely need a lot more practice and work but I think /ic/ can be really harsh. You obviously still have a long way to go, but that's most of the board, myself included. very much

>>2384183
I still didn't get any advice

>>2384883
Wow, thank you so much, that was a really good advice, and I am screencapping it. It's great to get a long reply that's in depth and not just ' you suk'

Thank you, have a nice day!

>>2384889
That's cause it is steven universe, that already makes me want to ignore it.

>>2384893
Just pretend you don't know Steven Universe since I've also drawn them as humans. You could as well not have recognized them. I just wanna have some comments about anatomy etc.

>>2384240
can I get your blog?

>>2384891
you still suk bro.

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>>2384835
No.
But seriously, thank you for attempting a comeback.

>>2384240
blog? (i'm not that faggot i swear)

>>2384780
Skype?

>>2384941
Is this the birth of a new meme :^)

>>2384780
Street address?

>>2384802
>what then, drawingly- viewed, needs to be fixed?
Facial symmetry, basic forms/construction, basic anatomy
Oh, and you're trying to render too much but you don't understand what you're detailing or how to render.
What >>2384883 said is mostly true, but you need to be sure to clock in a lot of mileage before trying to pull shit like this off again.
I recommend going to the beginner thread, I think that place is more suited to working out your current issues.

>>2384183
Build up your line confidence, work on general anatomy? Forms?
Like, I can obviously tell what it is, but I don't think you're good enough to be able to directly critique, really. Read my response to the other person I replied to. I don't think alt. art is the right thread for you at your current skill level.

>>2384922
>blog? (i'm not that faggot i swear)
Sweet references.

>>2384382
kekked at the head, check your proportions man

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John the Baptist Icon

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test bump

>>2385222
Thanks for answering :).
But the anatomy of >>2384183 isn't way off, isn't it? The proportion also seem to be ok, what do you think? I'm just asking to reajust my view on my skill level.
This is honestly the only thread I've found on 4chan where I can get critique besides the porn thread but I thought two girls kissing are too soft for that. Besides they also don't really say much except that my drawing doesn't look intimate enough. Where's the beginner thread?

>>2385458
The proportions are mostly okay, I guess? Still noticeable errors. But the anatomy is incorrect in a lot of areas. The beginner threads are more tailored to your skill level.

>>2385352
too many fingers on stage-right hand
poor facial symmetry, shaky lines, that's not how wings work, and the bowl looks wrong

it's also very jarring against the borders

>>2385463
Thanks again for the fast reply. So one last question, is there a beginner thread you can recommend :)?

>>2385479
>>>/ic/beginner
>>2384740
>>2373699

>>2384854
>>2384864
>>2384912
>>2384922
here is tumblr
http://jdotkdot.tumblr.com/
and pixiv
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=4290651

beware of futa stuff if you hate them

>>2385576
theres almost nothing :/ whyd you give up on your previous alias? I know i cant ask you what your non-faggot-porn blog is. But itd be nice if you posted something, ill surely ask for blog when the time comes.

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>tfw you're practicing drawing without sketching first and the result usually makes you laugh

>>2385266
Yup, I noticed that afterwards myself too.

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This is just the initial sketch. What should I fix before I move on to inking?