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Beginner Thread

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.

Do not forget to PLEASE RESIZE and crop your images before uploading them. 1kpx is fine.

→ → → → Before asking "what should I read/view/study/learn," Read the fucking sticky, it's there for a reason: >>1579290 → → → → → → → → →

Questions go in the QUESTION THREAD
This is for posting studies & getting critique.

>Thread study: Try to draw/paint the opening or any other following images.
Feel free to post your originals as well.

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - there are many studies left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

Respect those giving you advice and if you suck know that you'll never make it™.

Old thread: >>>2336422 → →
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>>2341136
box practice
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For too long this kind of pose tormented me, but today i tried to tackle my enemy.
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Other than anatomy can I get some critique on this please?
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>>2341139
The stomach looks to long on the top right one and on others it looks like you are bending the rib cage. The forms look pretty good otherwise.
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>>2341145
youre adding line thickness to cover uncertainty but youre not carving them after wards so you end up with needlessly thick lines at random places.
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>>2341149
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>>2341149
>>2341151
Thanks. I tried adding darker lines to fingers that were closer, but then I just went over every line. I don't feel like my lines are good enough to keep them thin.
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>>2341148
Thanks, i am still having trouble to understand how to draw the form of the the rib cage.
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>>2341153
its BECAUSE your line are bad that they NEED to be thin. If you dont choose your lines you basically have multiple lines and your brain chooses the best one, this is the reason paper sketches look better than actually drawing. Choosing your lines lets you confront your mistakes
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holy shit, i am shit
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>>2341158
eyes are shit check this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6-bCgRmcko
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>>2341160
mate, the entire thing is shit.
But thanks for the link.
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>>2341161
no shit as me bro, but Check proko's channel it will make the whole thing easier for you.
By the way how do i get this level?
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>>2341163
any how do i get to X level is useless. If you want to reach a certain level the steps you can take are infinite, but the steps that you should take are few and similar. If you draw long enough youll draw in a style that you like even more than this.

I think everything really comes back to learning form anatomy and gesture. You can learn to paint later on. Just keep drawing, in all likeliness youll never reach his level because you dont have the same amount of time to invest.

its always a trade off, yes you learn more from studies, but if one study means you dont want to draw for the rest of the day, its better to draw 20 animu girls.
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>>2341163
Eh, it's still shit to me. I'm mostly just trying to get my fucking anatomy and hatching done right.

I can see the shapes of the shadows but it's so hard to figure out which ones are significant enough to copy.
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>>2339306
When tilting or twisting the torso think of what is pulling, compressing, overlapping and from where this is all happening.

In order to help show a twist it is necessary to first establish the direction in which the major forms of the torso are facing in space. To simplify, use the box form to help you find the perspective and give orientation to what is in front and behind. Vilppu better demonstrates this process of thinking.
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How do I into female body construction?
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I am trying to make something photo realistic for the first time. I'm using manga studio, and I really dont know how to sharpen up these values, they look too blurry.

This is a work in progress but I feel stuck because I cant get the sharpness I want.
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>>2341195
let go of softbrushes for 4 months
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>>2341197
By let go I assume you mean do not use at all?

I also assume this will force me to be more precise instead of relying on the ambiguous shapes soft brushes can create.

Know any good resources on gitting gud with a watercolor brush? Thats the kind im using along with a soft airbrush (which ill stop using for now).

Thanks for the advice bro.
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Just got an Intuos Medium (dream of my life, can't believe it's in my hands, feelings etcetera). Updated the drivers, set stuff uf, and Photoshop does this circle trail bullshit. I know it's been fixed before in threads here but I didn't bother remembering it back then, because I didn't have a tablet. What do?

Also how do I get used to a tablet? good ol' "draw a fuckton"? because I like that way, but there must be a smarter one.
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>>2341212

peter han exercises, check out his video on youtube. he has drills for drawing straight lines, curves, circles, etc.. its meant for pen and paper, but I used it to get used to my tablet, which is also an intuos medium.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk
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>>2341215
Man, I watched that video a while ago! now I'll put it in practice again then, thanks a lot!

And since we're at it, what's your experience with this beauty? anything I should keep in mind for the future? I was wondering about the nib, specifically, since it doesn't come with new ones (...I hope no Intuos Medium does, otherwise... fuck.) and, in my position, getting them will be harder and more expensive. Does the spaghetti thing actually work?
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>>2341215
You dumb ass nigga, he's talking about the spacing yo. Sheeit.

>>2341212
set your brush's spacing to something like .1-.3 that will fix the circle problem.
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>>2341225
OP was also asking about how one could get used to a tablet in the second paragraph.
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>>2341225
Worked wonders. Now I tried to download the Pressure Curve Tool from the sticky and it... neutralized the pressure sensitivity, apparently. I'll just re-install the drivers and see if it's alright tomorrow morning, maybe that'll also fix the "Drivers not found" window I kept getting when trying to open the properties, even after updating them it let me for a few minutes then the window came back.

A tablet is suffering. I least I don't have to worry about the brush thing.
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>>2341133
Ugh. Trying to do a face a day to get the hang of facial features..
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Why isnt this better?
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>>2341407
The perspective is non-existant (the Lumberjack and the tree stump don't seem to be standing on the same ground plane).
Anatomy issues aside, though, your biggest problem here is that that pose doesn't look believable at all. It's awkward, off-balance and with a weird gesture.
Grab a stick or something and swing it around in a chopping motion. Then try to stand like the lumberjack in your drawing. Note the differences. Reference images are good too, but nothing beats actually acting out the pose with your own body.
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>>2341410
Just for the record, it's supposed to be like a running swing, so he's not actually standing. I've tried posing myself in the past
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>>2341434
>it's supposed to be like a running swing
Irrelevent. Watch any movie with knights and cavalry and you'll find there is not a single sword, axe or halberd being held like that either on foot or on horse.

If that's your idea of a natural pose I'll hazard you were that kid that ran like Naruto in middle school.
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2-3 minute thing in class. I'm just throwing it up here, but critique if you want.
>inb4 only crayons avaliable
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>>2341434
>it's supposed to be like a running swing

>>2341410 here.
I got that it was supposed to be a running swing and that he's supposed to be like this cool lumberjack that like chopped the tree with one hand while running. I totally understand what you were trying to do.
It's just that -and take no offense- you didn't do it well.
As I've said, the pose is awkward. He looks like he's falling down, the twist of his left hand and the position of the axe are wrong and his right hand and arm are doing god knows what.
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>>2341442
Being restricted by what people are able to do in film is not necessarily relevant in a fantasy-scene. Additionally, it is not irrelevant when I'm trying to figure out what you meant.
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>>2341455
Thanks, that's why I posted here :) I'll try to paint over in photoshop
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>>2341454
what

did you just cut out an outline of your hand?
i'd say your anatomy is wrong
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Any good tutorials out there on how to value in shapes?
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I know I'm garbage but I've been doing Loomis for a few days now and I'm not sure it's helping. I still don't know how to create a proper face since I don't understand how a face works.

Should I just quit and look at some anatomy books?

Also, I know my circles are shit
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How am i supposed to hold my pencil starting out? If there's no single good answer, does anyone have any sites they feel give a good rundown of different techniques?
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>>2341485
Any beginner book like keys to drawing. Remember that values are shapes too.
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>>2341505

Here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMC0Cx3Uk84
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>>2341501
>a few days

why are you giving up now? those faces aren't bad. don't attempt to run before you can walk, no matter how much you want to or think you can run
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Took a couple of hours to draw and isn't the best, but I like it.
I wish I could speed draw to a decent quality though. Just think of a concept and crank out a full body sketch in 10-20 minutes. How would I go about being able to do that?
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>>2341136
Oops, forgot to flip.
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>>2341450
good enough to fap to/10
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>>2341527
Noble effort.
You gave him an extra toe on his front right foot though?
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>>2341501
go through prokos video on heads and facial features. and get good at the simple stuff like volume, form and construction before going into adding detail
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>>2341515
Thanks buddy
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Silhouette practice/basic anatomy. Pretty much the very first scribbles I've done that weren't DA-tier skinny boys with anime eyes.
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>>2341523
It's more that I'm not sure doing this will teach me how to properly form a face (cheekbones and chins). He doesn't really explain how to place facial features.
I guess I should mention that I've been drawing for years, but really only by copying stuff I've seen. This is my first time trying to really learn how to draw from the mind. I'll keep with it for now though.

>>2341554
I'll check it out.
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what am i doing with my life
totally ripped off a character from Framed Ink after a halfassed study because I dig the garb. Ironically completely ignored composition (sorry Mateu-Mestre).
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>>2341596
she's got the down's
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>>2341605
shook an extra chromosome into the soup while fucking with the eyes in transform I reckon
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Doesn't look as good as I wished it would, but for a beginner, my first drawing on the tablet and my actual first drawing since 10 years or so it's not that bad.
Still have quite a way to go, but a good critique would surely help!
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first time tried to do anything realistic,Even though it's not that great learned a lot about blending and colour and skin.:)
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is this shit worth digitizing?
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Fish wip.
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>>2341745
of course not, if you have to ask yourself if you should continue you can usually give up on a piece, if you like the concept feel free to start over.
>>2341199
sorry for my lack of an answer as an answer.
Yes, No.
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Books or vids, which do you prefer? Are certain subjects better in books or vice versa?
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>>2341772
Books are better for explaining abstract concepts and going in detail on things but if you want to step-by-step some happy little trees you may as well watch a vid
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>>2341586
Try to focus on getting longer, more confident lines.
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>>2341772
i think people who promote books dont realize the sunk cost of reading for 4 hours. Of course you get more than in videos its also more structured and more logical. I think there are pros and cons to both.
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>>2341751
it looks like a dick wtf anon hahaha
but nice man,crosshatching could be better though
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>>2341810
thanks, just started doing crosshatching so it's very messy but someday i'll be good at it.
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Something from yesterday, trying to get back in the swing of things.
Referenced from a book.
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>>2341903
Fuck me. Here's the proper resize..
If the orientation is still fucked I'm sorry.
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>>2341045

Pencil and paper is all you need.

Also, don't forget your eyes and brain.
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today's nothings
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shitty whale.

After studying how an artist does their monochrome and cross hatching, I'm think I'm starting to understand the process.
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>>2341960
whoops forgot the pic
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>>2341756
thank you, i will start it from 0.
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messing around with charcoal, how am i doing for the beginning of the year?

this one was my warm up
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>>2342076
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>>2342079
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>>2342080
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>>2342083
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>>2341524
get into the habit of doing construction.
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>>2341961
Yup that's a good start. Keep going :)
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Does anyone even find Proko's shit useful? I have watched some of his stuff and he assumes a lot of knowledge and goes by quite fast.
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>>2341586
bruh stop feathering your strokes and also look at your own body. No one's hands have a perfectly curved arc between their pointer finger and their thumb
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>>2342255
I wouldn't rely on the dude just because free shit like that is pretty minimal on purpose, but the drawing the head stuff helped me work out some of the kinks in my head construction. You're better off with books and paid or pirated video lectures.
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>>2342258
nah he's not a jew.
just watch his videos a couple times each and let yourself absorb the knowledge.
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>>2342273
i watched his "how to improve faster" video and it was just clickbait. All he says is if you make a mistake, correct the mistake, don't ignore it and then repeat the mistake. That's good advice alright. But the video is 7 minutes long and the other 5 minutes is him redrawing his gesture drawings
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>>2342255
he pretty much covers everything you need. the videos are fast so you can revisit them and not have to go through a 1 hour video like vilppooo

as long as you go through all of the exercises and spend a lot of time on each one, you will get good
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>>2342287
don't watch sycras latest video lol

>>2341412
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Overwhelmed with the amount of material to study, I decided to pick art books and copy all illustrations provided, starting with Bridgman's constructive anatomy.
Will that help me establish at least a portion of the necessary visual library to progress to figure drawing and whatnot?
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>>2342084
On the edge of thread graduate.
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>>2342302
if you copy without understanding why it was drawn that way it will be pointless
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Anyone find a lot of art books not really helpful? I enjoyed some books however I only read like 10-20% of it. I feel like a lot of art books have a lot of unnecessary information.

I find stuff like pic related way more helpful and interesting as it focuses on one subject with diagrams and gets straight to the core parts. Of course they can't go into detail and you'll need to study/actually draw but I find videos also fill that niche to a degree too.

In Loomis' Fun with Pencil book, I still use the Ball and Plane method and I like how he shows different results if you try different stuff but I feel like his stuff has little direction, he shows you the finished product of a topic of study and then just tells you to try it out without further instruction.

I also found the potato head stuff at the beginning of the book dumb. He's teaching you how to draw highly stylized cartoons right off the bat without telling you how to form a basic head.
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Hey guys, I want to learn to draw (I'm really fucking horrible, I basically do not know anything) and from what I've gathered knowing the actual correct human anatomy to start is a must.

https://www.udemy.com/anatomy-for-figure-drawing-and-comics/

What about these tutorials? I'm pretty fucking adhd and following a course gets me in the right mood to start. Anyone has any video course to recommend otherwise?
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>>2342427
go read a book or watch a video, anatomy isn't worth much if you can't draw the figure.
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>>2342420
Well fun with penicl like the name says is centered around fun, and to get people excited to drawing.
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>>2342438
So... I should... learn how to draw figure? Don't you draw figure from... the anatomy? I'm actually confused here.
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>>2342446
It's stupid advice, disregard it

If you learn anatomy of course you'll always have good knowledge of proportions and correct positions of the body. Combined with some gesture drawing to get a feeling of movement and weight you'll quickly learn to recognize your mistakes and complete most poses you want
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>>2342451
I mostly want to draw M-MUH weeaboo garbage, but I recognize that fundamentals are really important. I'll do just that then.
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>>2342451
yeah and how are you gonna do anatomy if you don't even know how to construct the figure, do gesture drawing, know how to draw forms, proportions some basic perspective etc?

fuck off
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>>2342464
are you retarded?

all those things go hand in hand with anatomy. do you really think that if you learned how to draw and understood the entire muscle mass and skeleton of a human body you wouldn't know how to construct a figure, wouldn't know proportions, wouldn't know how to draw forms?

my god
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First time on /ic/ hoping to get critique and tips to get better. Here's the first of two pictures I've been working on the past 2 days
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>>2342511
Second one, still in the works
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>>2342511
>>2342513
Buy some paper.
Also sticky.
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>>2342517
pls listen to this guy. you lack fundamentals
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So I am currently reading the book "Drawing with the right side of the brain".
Pic related is the first face the autor wants you to draw with the learned abilities.
My question is, did I do anything wrong? Something I didn´t do good enough yet?
I think that I am drawing with the right side of my brain, but I don´t really feel it.
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>>2342710

Brotip: Distinction on the left and right side of the brain is pseudo-scientific, various areas of brain fire more during different things, but it's not left-right distinction and you are always using your whole brain unless you shitpost on /ic/ as I do this very moment.
Just do exercises, don't focus on text.
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>>2342710
not bad, looks like you're doing things properly. keep at it.
also this >>2342739
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>>2342739
I'm an idiot. I mean I don´t feel like I am drawing with the right side. I am just drawing. Looking at what I am drawing. I just know that I am not supposed to draw symbols. I also don´t know if there is a better way to learn how to draw than this book.
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>>2342778
Would like to know too if I should learn from the book or just draw what I want.
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Send help
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>>2342894
blog?
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>>2342894
You should draw the whole picture.
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>>2342908
what?
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>>2342923
that's exactly my problem, i always end up enlarging my drawings too much. how do i fix it?
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>>2342926
hes being a sarcastic prick for no reason
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>>2342930
Just try over and over until you get a feeling for it. Just look at what you want to draw and look at your paper, look at the lines. Look at how big you draw each of them. I am a beginner like you, I try to explain as good as I can. Maybe someone else can help you more.
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Hi, I don't draw very often but I do a bit. Everywhere I read that adult humans are eight heads in proportion and teens around seven. What happens to me many times is that my drawings tend to hover around six heads (or six and a bit) and I read that six heads is for characters below ten years old. Ignoring the flaws that come from my lack of experience, many of my character drawings look pretty much like teens. Is there something inherently wrong with six heads proportion when drawing teens? Does it look okay to me because they're just standing, they're manga or because I am being indulgent with myself? Do they look wrong (proportionally speaking) to you?
Also, any recommendation for these specific cases?
Sorry for the quality of the pic
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Is this good for a composition?
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>>2343025
women are around 7 at peak. only good looking perfect men are at 8.
You're drawing anime anyway, you can do 5 if you want.

you need to anti up from construction to form, your lack mass as a couple of key areas ( legs,neck) and you need to do some gesture since your poses are very stiff.
>>2343034
do you like it? compositions are very subjective. make sure to not go full black when you actually draw it though.
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>>2343043
Thank you very much.
About the lack of mass, is it an issue with the character on the left or does it apply to both?
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>tfw starting to use loomis methods subconsciously
its happening
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>>2343067
yeah it started to happen to me too. i practiced loomis heads on and off and never really liked it, but then much later found constructing them a lot easier, and found it easy to think of them that way
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>>2343067
>This is one of them. Actually this was the book Frazetta famously claimed to have gone through and copied the drawings in one night as a teen.

Damn, I'd love to hear that straight from the Frazetta's mouth. Considering how much faster I've gotten at drawing I think I might be able to do that as a challenge. I'm old as balls so it's not as impressive in that context, but it seems like it'd be a good exercise.
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>>2342930
If you notice you can't fit the entire picture, start over. There are many ways people can fit a picture, making mental notes of proportions, grids in your minds, etc.
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>>2343075

I think you missed your thread.
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>>2343075
wrong post in wrong thread, looks like
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>>2342930
Drawing too small doesn't help either. Same advice applies in that you should start over if it's way too small.
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>>2343025
stop. drawing. anime
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>>2342930

Just measure a bit before you start. It'll get intuitive after a while, but to start you can go "this image is x many heads tall so I should keep that in mind when I draw the head."
if it still goes off the page even with you drawing the head measured (or whatever part of the body you choose to start with), you've been drawing all your stuff out of proportion anyway.
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I blocked out some time to practice figure but a new Half in the bag just came out so I tried to draw Mike while I was watching it instead.
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Trying to shade hair, is this at all right?

Im sorry if It's rotated, the icon and picture isn't rotated but when I upload it it somehow does it.
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>>2343034

fixed for u senpai
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>>2343222

Are you a 14 year old girl?
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>>2343331

I was lazy, and since I was only interested in rendering I thought this way would be more efficient.
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>>2343221

WHATS WRONG WITH HIS FAAAAACE
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>>2343451

>I was lazy

This is how you don't improve. You learn twice as much if you worked from a reference and did your own linework of a real person and tried to render real hair instead of 'rendering' a colouring in book for girls
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>>2343480

A part of the cranium is missing.
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>>2343485

You don't need to state the obvious, I normally do that. It's really not that I was "lazy", it's just that this is way more efficient then drawing multiple heads and different hair. Especially since I'd normally default to what's in my comfort zone and draw the hair that way. I could easily do my own linework, but that's obviously not the point of this exercise. I'd like to know how I did on this one before I move do doing something original.
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Critique pls
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>>2343503

Body proportions of his right side (viewer's left) seem a bit fucked, especially the hand looks short near the shoulder. And I think head doesn't have good proportions with the rest of the body.

I'm absolute beginner though drawing worse than you, maybe others will be more constructive.
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>>2343487
+ the features are too big and flat
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hi
im completely new to drawing digitally
basically started yesterday
any tips and opinions appreciated
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>>2343573
LOOMIS.
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>>2343601
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How do I hands?
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>>2343619
Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNkCxLdAocE
Download this pack: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/art/50-Hand-Challenge-Pack-244-Hand-References-348847368

Draw at least 50 of them, then continue drawing them but also mixing in hands from imagination, or at least the position from a reference image but from another angle.
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i looked at loomis books and tried drawing some figures in perspective, how did i do :3
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>I have no idea what I'm doing lel
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>>2343693
you can't even critique this type of stuff because you didnt study, you just copied
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>>2343723

If by copy you mean tracing, no.
If by copy you mean referenced and redraw the thing from pictures on my computer screen, yes.
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>>2343692
Use a harder brush, nigga
looks like everything is out of focus
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>>2343729
yeah you just copied, anyone can copy. You copied the original art but you don't understand why everything is so.
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>>2343693
Get Pokemon art academy then come back and read the sticky.
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is there any good exercice to get rid of those chicken lines?
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>>2343740
make a subconscious effort to put more confidence in your lines?
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>>2343730
can you tell me if the perspective is right?
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>>2343222

So can anyone tell me if this is correct at all?
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>>2343796
It's pretty pointless. If you want to study hair you do it with real life references with established light source and proper values. Those pictures don't even involve drawing hair shapes since they're predefined already.
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>>2343799
>>2343796
I'd go as far as to suggest looking at comic books for hair or workshops/lessons by comic book artists.
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Critique? Why does it look blurry?
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how do I hair?
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>>2343799
>>2343806

My problem with that is finding reference that is simple enough lighting wise.
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>>2343814
>Critique?
looks cubist to me
but if cubist is not your intention both the fat from the back leg clash together

>>2343817
you do it carefully not with a blotch of watercolor

also when watercoloring you always start by the light coloring and add volume from there
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>>2343848
thanks, it isn't watercolour though, it's digital, greyscale then colours on an overlay layer above
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>>2343859
you should install corel painter it haves the best watercolor in the industry

anyway take a look at this pic by Samura just laid out the hair by direction
using the brush carefully
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>>2343480
>>2343487
>>2343535

part two im gonna slit my wrists
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>>2341939
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>>2343868
eyes still seem a little too big to me but it's definitely improved
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Hogarth's anatomy reference illustrations: what techniques do they use?

All done in this finished style that looks completely different from the rest of the book's sketching.

All monochrome -- B&W or sepia.

I have a physical copy of the book in front of me and I still can't tell whether it's all pencilwork or if there's airbrushing or something involved.
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Okay, just got my drawing tablet and I'm working on gestures.

How do I improve on gestures? Like the pictures I see here are very defined lines and curves, mine look like retarded robots even when I have enough time to add to the first lines they don't seem right.

I'm doing 90 second timers between pictures, should I be taking more time? How do I simplify the arms legs etc etc into 3 lines like I see a lot here?

Please note this is the first time using my tablet, and i'm just beggining as well. I've practiced for a few days on pen and paper.
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>>2343957

Watch Vilppu's lecture on gesture. My understanding of it improved massively after watching it.
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>>2343988
Where would one find this? My internet is horribly slow at the moment, sorry.

Also I am reading and practicing keys to drawing.
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>>2344002
Book thread has a mega link to libraries that also contain videos.
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on phone so cant crop sry.

how does the drawing look guys? i have painted and drawn throughout my life but only now have i decided to start training.
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>>2343945
I think that stuff is all charcoal, you can get that kind of very smooth gradient with it
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>>2344020
you're missing some mass on the hand fampai its okay i guess enjoy the journey though.
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>>2344020
When a line looks wrong and I can't instantly spot it, what I do is make a conscious effort to check its angle and it instantly shows where I made a mistake. Apply that to relationships between forms in space and you won't end up with an unfixable mess you've spent too much effort on.
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>>2344012
I can't find anything in the book threads here, i'll probably download it when I get home though. Thanks for the tips though.
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>>2344059
https://mega.nz/#F!2RARFaLA!VTiQb6eRXfV4V6mYQ6FJTA!GFYQiIqA
A lot of Vilppu videos in the Videos folder.
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>>2344063
Thanks bromosexual
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>>2344020
Negative spaces. Angles and spacial relationships between forms.
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>>2344048
>>2344087

Thanks for the critique! Hard to spot my own mistakes sometimes and everyone around me keeps saying "woooow so guuuud", so I figure that I'm good.
Will post more as I improve.
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>>2344087
your contour redlines on her face are incorrect, although the sketch of the face is truthfully somewhat warped

the rest is valid
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>>2344134
your critique of his critique is lacking in depth or spatial relation. the rest is valid.
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>>2344134
Indeed, the line seems to imply an incorrect perspective. I was actually trying to simply show that the tilt of the head is wrong with the T-line (1 line from the keystone to the chin and the other line roughly indicating the eyebrows), rather than to indicate wrapping lines, but the result is fairly sloppy. I should have done better.
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>>2344148

By the way, beside the things you posted, is there anything else i can work on? Are my lines, shapes etc decent aka am I going in the right direction?
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>>2344162
you can stop asking questions and start over god damn you. You're at a level where progress is super quick so stop asking questions youre wasting your time
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Same guy as >>2342710
Can you recommend me any good sites to learn colouring with coloured pencils? I can´t find anything. Would appreciate it
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I wanted to draw a storm trooper but even my stick figures don't look very good. What should I be practicing? Just keep copying photos and you eventually get good?
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>>2344189
>Copying photos

For fucks sake man, Loomis is in the sticky.
>>1579290
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>>2344191
Wow your right man. I put away the photo and now my drawing i 20x better. oh wait its not.

Loomis is complete garbage, how did the LOOMIS meme start?
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>>2344195
Loomis is also an umbrella term for fundamentals, and your fundamentals suck so go practice.
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>>2344195
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> these lewd figures vilppu draws
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How do her eyes look in profile view? Can anybody make a sketch?
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>>2344230
Kill yourself already
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>>2344230
nioce
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>strong aspirations as a teenager to git gud
>would draw almost everyday with many ideas/subjects I enjoyed spending time with
>after graduating, the pace rapidly diminished
>currently draw twice a month and it's essentially the same thing over and over
>very depressed that I've never reached my goals as an artist
>unmotivated and lost the willpower to study and git gud
>feel too old to grind each day to make up for all the years I've lost

Why does it have to be like this? Why was I unable to make it work?
This continues to be a giant source of anguish in my life.
I need help.
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>>2344338

You're depressed. Talk to a therapist, not an imageboard.
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what do you think of mr frog.

I think his front legs are too far forwards
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>>2344338
have you tried sacking up?
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>>2344338
Stop bitching and start doing.
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>>2341745
Fuck no
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i love drawing
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>>2344369

hell yeah motherfucker
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>>2341914
Bottom lip should be darker than the upper lip
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Reworking an old sketch and doodling. Enjoying doing these quite a bit.

>>2344264
Papa Vilppu just wants to prepare you for the inevitable path you will take.
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>>2343221
Hey anon, I just wanted to brighten your day a lil bit. I recognized Mike from the thumbnail before I even read your post. Keep working at your drawings, you are awesome!
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>>2341136
I'm too burnt out for this I need to stop for the day.
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>>2343222

Kek anon, I have the same sheets for my bed.
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>>2344525
95% of your picture should stay in the 20-80% value range. Why is the close tree the same colour as the far tree?
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>>2344527
i was trying to make the trees somehow special, as if they were characters
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>>2344525
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How do i get gud

I just want to draw warriors and monsters
and beautiful women
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>>2344594
Well each point of your list requires a lot to learn
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>>2344594
Draw from reference and really observe what you're drawing. Think about how the forms of things wrap around and bend. Measure angles and proportion. It's not a crime to use reference, especially for improvement.
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Here's the first and so far the last grid drawing I've ever done, only have been drawing for about 5 months. looks pretty great to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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>>2344676
Not sure why the orientation of the pic is off, but whatever
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I like the information in loomis' head and hands book but I feel like he never really tells the reader what exercises to do? Do I copy him? Do i try make my own version? A lot of his drawings appear in the book without much text to describe the details, like these skulls. He kinda just talks about them in general but never goes really in depth on how to draw it. Of course this information can be inferred by looking at the picture, such as the shape and general size of eye sockets, but I feel like text would be really helpful.
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fuck im trying to loomis from imagination for the first time. i feel like i have what looks like a decent in proportion female statue head. i really would like to give her some slimmer feminine features especially the nose. please help.
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>>2341133
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>>2344676
>>2344678

Nice one. Left cheek and eyehole (right side of the drawing) seem a bit flat to me though and like perspective is a bit fucked there.

Though nice shading and linework.
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>>2344345
holy shit nigger this hit me hard

/r9k/ here
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>>2344545
thanks, that will be useful!
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How can I even compete
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>>2344911
Go watch the Proko videos on heads and you will see remarkable advances in 2 hours as long as you follow along
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>>2344532
thats deep anon

>>2344724
thats loomis for you. If you don't like his stuff then look elsewhere. Also go look at the ball and plane method or whatever its called in that book. The one where you cut off the sides of a sphere and use that to draw the jaw.

pretty much this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U
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>>2344924
its not, but is the only thing i could think of
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Is it common practice to posterize your photo references for a basic shading template?

Are there other methods to reliably simplify lighting to basic "value shapes"?
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>>2344973
Eh, not worth it. Really you just need to learn to mark out a line where any shadow is. Then when it's a hard edge you keep it and when it's a soft edge you blend it later. Do shit like this.
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>>2344973
>squint your eyes
Why do you think run jia is da best
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How do you draw a leg from this angle?
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>>2345011
Use the same downwards angle as the torso
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>>2344984
ayy!
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>20 hours of vilppu to watch through

jesus christ
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>>2345022
if watching long ass videos isnt your cup of tea then don't. There's no point in binging on a long video and learning nothing

as for me I can't stand walls of text and 1 hour videos, that's just not how I learn. I learn best when the point is condensed into a short bite (Like a 5-10 minute video) so I can get the basic idea and then explore from there.
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Is it ok to be off but (in my opinion) capture most of the gesture in a gesture drawing? The drawing on the right is shit, was kind of an odd pose but on the one on the left I realized the non-bent leg was too long and the head isn't at the right angle.

Didn't really want to spend ages fixing it as it's just for practice and I would have to erase and redraw a lot, it would just look messy.
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>>2345022

Btw, even Sycra in his "how to draw" videos said that he watched stuff like vilppu on x1.5 and x1.75 speed because it takes ages for him to say anything.
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>>2345032

The gestures don't need to be perfect, but usually if they're not accurate it should be because you pushed the pose further, not that you didn't push it far enough. Adding detail will usually stiffen it a little.
Also your gestures are following contours a bit much in my opinion. While there isn't necessarily a 'correct' way to do gesture as long as you capture the pose quickly, I'd suggest you try and focus more on finding lines of action and using c and s curves to your advantage.
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>>2345032
I think you should focus on drawing the spine instead of the contours. You don't have to erase just get more paper.
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>>2345038
Is that you leems?
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r8 my drawing
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>>2345070

6/10 bretty
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>>2345066

I don't understand what you just said, but I guess I'm not.
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Just some doodling / practice

Just got this tablet and i'm trying to get used to it. I also just started drawing like a few weeks ago.

how is this? What else can I do for practice?
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>>2345066
leems would advocate going at 3.3x speed with video speed controller

Besides im a tripfag.
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>>2345173
you cant just fucking say my name on an anonymous image board for Christ sake!
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Does this video explain everything you need to know about fundamentals?
I feel like 'damn, I actually know how and what to learn now!':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25x7MuSrQGU
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>>2345164
I started drawing (actual drawing and with a tablet) a few days ago, what I do is lots and lots of straight lines, circles, ellipses and then boxes and cylinders.
When I really feel like I'm used to the tablet, I'll start with 'proper learning'
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>>2345396
feel like it's working? I'm getting used to the tablet and the shortcuts pretty quickly. I game a lot though.

I'll give your idea a shot m8 thanks!
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anyone have links to any tutorials on improving in form building/construction?
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>>2345388
dude, there's a lot more to the fundamentals than that, that isn't even all the fundamentals of perspective and form
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Trying to wrap my head around Loomis and construction. I have a pretty hard time doing the faces from imagination though.
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>>2345499
Make your own, anon. Just place a couple circles and add some shapes for cheeks
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My new year's resolution is to step outside my comfort zone, so I'm working on my muscles.

Also, any tips for drawing more comfortably with arthritis? I've had trouble working on large canvases because my shoulder's fucked.
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>>2345586
change hand, leave your main hand forever and start anew.
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I feel like I can't even draw a man standing.
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>tfw cant even photocopy
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>>2345716

It'll come with time. Slow down a little, and I really do recommend you do some simple pencil and paper drawings.
The tablet is nice for many things, especially painting and stuff, but I've never found it the easiest to do actual line drawings with. It takes a fair bit of practice.
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>>2345736
>Tfw i know that feel
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>>2345736
open the scanner top, put your photo in and press copy?
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>>2345658
Thanks for the tip, mate. Dunno if I'd go all the way, but that sounds like a good idea. It should be useful for non-art things, too.
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How do I make tighter ellipses?
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>>2341131
Working through Scott robertsons book...
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send help
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>>2343693
>>2344911
>>2345070
>>2345775
am i the only one that feels these type of posts are just seeking attention or some sort of humble brag?

Posts that obviously had effort put into them but with no real question attached to them.
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>>2345782

Putting effort into something doesn't mean you don't want critique, or would you rather every post in this thread be completely half-assed?
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>>2345786
It's more of the fact that they don't really ask a question or present something to go off of alongside a image that has had a good amount of effort put into them.

Or maybe they don't know how to communicate with humans and are incapable of just asking for critique directly or ask about something they aren't sure about.
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>>2345782
How is calling your work shit humble bragging? It's just a way for people to show that they aren't happy with their work even though it is kinda cliche.
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>>2345782
>>2345797
>autism
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>>2345782

>Posts that obviously had effort put into them but with no real question attached to them.

>>2341131

>Questions go in the QUESTION THREAD
>This is for posting studies & getting critique.


???
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I aim to draw anime. I read Robertson, watch Olson, study human head (pic1) and try to construct my owns based on loomis construction rules (pic2).

Im in this for 3 months roughly, Don't know what my study and practice routines should be, can anyone point it to me?
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>>2345764
Guess this goes without saying but let me know if anything really stands out. I did it freehand so the perspective might be kind of off but ler me know if it seems nonexistent. Appreciate any help.
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>>2345827
Respond please.
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>>2345805
what about it? what do you disagree with? thats actually one of the things i havent changed.
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>>2345827
>>2345911
dude chill, many people are also waiting for their posts to be assessed.

i am still waiting on my mr frog :(
>>2344355
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>>2345925
Sorry if i am too demanding, im quite low on dopamine since NY.
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>>2345925
figure drawing seems to be popular here, not as many people draw animals it seems
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>>2345931
You're fine. It really sucks when you post shit asking for help and no one replies. But if you ask too often then people just act like assholes to you.

I honestly wish I knew of a better place to post.
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>>2345827
I think you should definitely practice your line work. As of now it seems like you're just throwing out lines wherever you can it seems really scribbly. Try to ghost your lines before you put them down and make sure you understand why you're putting it down. And your head lacks volume. It looks pretty flat so I would recommend practicing 3d shapes such as sphere and cubes so you can gain a better understanding of the form. I haven't devoted too much time to head construction yet so I don't know the specifics but it looks like you tried placing 2d shapes on top of your circle as oppose to 3d ones. I don't know how Loomis teaches it but I'm pretty sure that you should also try constructing the individual parts of the face like the eyes and nose in order to show the form and get more volume.

Hope I helped, keep practicing and good luck anon.
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>>2345827
>>2345943
Oh and I would also avoid shading for now. Try to understand the 3d forms so you know where the light would land and try to slowly build up value instead of scribbling quickly.
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>>2345935
no one is obliged to help you nor is everyone qualified to say something meaningful or correct. There's art forums where you can ask for critique but that's mostly for better artists who have more complete work to show. But if you just want to show something quick then 4chan is good for that. Also rarely do people sugar coat their posts.
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>>2345070
It looks good but it doesn't look like the person you drew.
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>>2345925
when doing a study, you can either A: look for accuracy, B: look for accuracy within a set time C:learn construction or study something specific

But you have chosen D: look for a result.

Studies arent for the result, but rather the learning. In your case to achieve a result you scribbled 10s of superficial lines and you never chose a line and let it be very sketchy.

Theres no point in going for a result by using many lines to confuse the eye and hide mistakes. You need to press lightly and when you choose your lines press dark. If not, do some construction, if not, choose your lines. Dont let us look at a mess.

People dont want to criticize studies because youve got a perfect redline jsut there.

TLDR; choose your fucking lines.
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>>2346016
d: look for a result within a certain time AKA rushing through the end for no apparent reason with random lines*
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>>2346017
No, timing yourself while looking for a result forces you to make decisions instead of hurriedly polishing a turd made of poorly chosen lines.
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>>2346017
thread is about to die if anybody has good images restart the thread with an image that is easy to locate ( not a yellow 40% value picture)
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>>2346019
but if you cant make it and you dont even have the time to do decisions then your point becomes invalid. of course this isnt true at all levels but time shouldnt be a variable for a beginners drawing. If youre looking for something good, you should allot more time, its that simple.
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How do you transition from drawing from reference and drawing from imagination in general?

I've been drawing from reference for a few months and want to start developing skills from imagination. My main goal is to draw comics, so basically everything is going to be from imagination with minimal references in the long run, if I'm not mistaken. I'm learning how to draw anatomy now, mainly the head and face. I can draw loomis heads with all the right measurements, but I can't place features or draw them from imagination unless I copy a picture, so how do I take my skills to the next stage? Should I try studying references from real life more and take more time to understand the parts, rather than copy them? Should I look up tutorials?

I'm pretty lost, but optimistic.
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>>2341454
>Putnam
>The Crucible
How's highschool treating you m8?
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>>2341131
I suck at human anatomy, lord Loomis save pls
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>>2346041
hve you done gesture? if not do some of that. If you have then just draw, then go check on a reference where you fucked up.

Its easier to get into drawing from imagination if you have been doing construction as opposed to drawing the lines and angles.

as for everything however you need to practice to make it good.
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I am trying to learn to paint landscapes, I am shit with oceans as you can see and I feel like the perspective is off. thoughts?
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>>2346153
stupid capcha made me forget pic
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>>2346086
ayy lmao
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Nose bro, are you still here?
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Is it really that important to learn to draw using your whole arm as opposed to your wrist? It seems pretty difficult to me and my results with the wrist tend to be far better at the moment.
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>>2346086
1 eye between the eyes not 2
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>>2346304
Illuminati confirmed
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>>2346118
I plan to do gestures, but I was working on the face right now. Is it wrong to do the face, because that is what is most fun to me at the moment. I was going to do the rest of the body right after.

Also, for gesture, should I only do gestures from imagination, reference, or a mix?
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>>2346578
mix
>>2346215
no
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>>2346674
>no
That's too bad, someone was looking to commission you.
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>>2346678
i wouldnt take a commission at my level.
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>tfw copying bridgman's Constructive Anatomy because of that Frazetta picture
>shit looks more like Lovecraftian horror than the human figure
What the fuck am I drawing?
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>>2346751
You don't feel ready for it?
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>>2346952
i could render something some idiot would like, i cant ever take it back though.

that eternal shame isnt worth 15$
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Second time drawing something upside down. Maybe it was the angle I was sitting at, but she ended up way more hunched over than I thought she'd be.
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>>2346158
i would suggest you would do still-life painting, because you values are really off and the color just don't harmonize.
at the same time or even before that, go through perspective so you could give your painting depth feeling
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Some tips to draw a circle, because i can't even to that, i was watching proko's head video and then i realized that i can't even draw a circle.
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>>2347578
>hold your pencil like pic related
>keep your arm in the air
>gohst the line a few times
>concentrate
>put down the line

There is no easy way to draw a perfect circle, its mostly milage and confidence. Also the peter han exercises may help you.
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>>2347578
practice until you can then, why are you bitching

it's not like drawing a circle requires study so there's no excuse to just keep trying until you get it
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>>2347605
>>2347622
>2 Kinds of People
>>2347605
thank you so much, i didn't know that i can't pick the pencil properly,
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>>2347626
good luck with his method if you use anything but a regular pencil
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>>2347631
you can do it with a regualr pencil, the angle is just different, try it yourself
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>>2347631
>>2347638
i think the trick is using the shoulder instead of the wrist like he said on the video
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first time painting a head/face from imagination. howd i do?
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Hello. I would just like to ask is drawing from photos 'bad'? I've googled and for the most part it is frowned upon because it's 2D...

While I am able to use a live model I find it more convenient to use photos for reference, but if it's something that misses what drawing from life has to offer I would rather draw from life.

Please give me your honest thoughts and opinions, thanks.
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>>2347879

https://youtu.be/JdTEYBrELDg?t=22m45s
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>>2347899
@22:45
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>>2347899
>sycra
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I'm trying to quit chicken-scribbling but drawing pages afer pages or simple geometrical shapes is boring desu... Any tips to make the exercices more interesting ?
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>>2347927
Dammit the auto spellchecker is making dumb changes in my post
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worked on it a little more. any critiques?
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>>2347927
try turning them into characters + giving them expressions based on size and shape
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>>2341131
What's the best tablet for an absolute beginner who's still in the "how to draw a straight line" phase because they're terrified of going forward?
I know traditional > digital, but I'd still like to know because I've been stuck in this self-imposed quagmire for years.
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Man how fucked is my construction?
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I know that the legs are fucked up, but I can't figure out how to fix them.

Is anyone willing to red-line some better legs?
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>>2344163
source for the book?
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Just started reading Fun With a Pencil and I am so excited to finally get out of 2-dimensional hell! These are my very first tries, drawn from imagination based on the book. Please give opinions/brutally critique them until I cry.
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Even after writing down the proportions I still feel like I fucked up.
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>>2347934
When beginning digital art, avoid soft brushes like the plague. Eve after you've found your bearings, use them sparingly -- you don't need them as much as you think you do. Hard brushes with opacity are your friends.
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>>2348406
none, for the second time. none. didnt find it on google historically either.

Sorry
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>>2348643

Are there any good tutorials for painting without soft brushes?
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>>2348753
Aaron Blaise's videos are pretty good guidelines for beginning digital art. I would watch all of his videos in this series, but here is the video where he starts to talk about color.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzPJ1UacZH8
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>>2348753
use a hard brush with an opacity setting for pen pressure, if you can do pen pressure. the harder you push, the more solid the colour will be, so you won't need to blend the border between colours. you can just lightly cover one color with the other color. if you want to make it more smooth you can pick a color in between the two and paint lightly between your two bordering colors using that.
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>>2348862

New thread but im running out of good images so others have to contribute to images.

Also accidentally pick an image that doesnt read well so well be looking for it intensely in the catalog for the next 3 days, my bad.
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>>2348546
practice your loomis head before adding details. do like 100 of them. there's a video on prokos youtube channel on how to draw the head. copy his exact method 100 times changing the angles slightly, then go to his video on the head from extreme angles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BdIvZk0WZc

fill pages with a lot of these too, especially building large structures with simple forms, they really helped me. + go through the rest of his videos on complex forms
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>>2348834
>>2348836

Thanks anons
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