/omg/ - Occultism and Magick General

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Infected Bump

Where should someone with 0 experience begin dabbling in the occult?

>>19414570
internet

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>>19414572
This has been circulating 1/4

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>>19414607
3/4

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>>19414625
4/4

If I do magic am I gonna go to hell?

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>>19414636
You're already in it, of sorts.

>>19414636
what sort of magic?

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>>19414648
This will make a convenient reference for when I make my bone rosary to the Witch mother

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>>19414688
This is the Xoanic gate between Aleph and Teth, manifesting the Draconican Current via the evokation of sexual dualism as well as dual headed Opposer, Janus like, in this case via feminine manifestation but in the artwork the formula of Hoor-Set takes precedence.

Notice the Dragon takes the form of the Arch of Nuit.

Pic related is PROBABLY an exegesis on lower forms of initiation via A.'.A.'.

>>19414661
I don't know, goetia?

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>>19414701
Shown here is a magical rosary consecrated to Azha-Qayin, the Ancestral Patron of the Sabbatic Craft Tradition. It was hand-carved by Alogos Dhu'l-qarnen Khidir over the course of two years. Its formation and occult significance is related in 'The Grimoire of the Golden Toad'.

The white disk-beads are individually fashioned from human femur bone. The quarter-marking 'eye' beads are carved from wood: blackthorn, holly, and oak. The quarter-guardian beads, carved in the form of ornate Death's-heads, are fashioned from stag antler. Each of these skull-beads represents a specific deity in the Sabbatic pantheon. The larger pendant bead is an antler-carved image of Qayin, surmounted by a hag-stone, and appended by a graven human tooth. The side counter beads are carved from lapis lazuli, terminated with antler tips. The additional counter string (for counting 1000's of mantic repetitions) shows a small wooden bead carved from mistletoe, an image of the Sabbatic deity Trivagantus, and a larger wooden bead carved from mandrake root. The coloured tassels denote the patronage of specific spirit-families. The entire construction of this magical tool embodies the Rosarium of Midnight. By the arrangement, form and juxtaposition of its beads it encrypts a complete grimoire in and of itself. The transmission of its teaching is thus 'wordless': the Book of A-logos.

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>>19414719
Drawing out the spirits from the altar of QYA.

>>19414719
Interesting, did you compare to the role of Zain in the Hawk and Jackal initiation (lovers which I guess would be second degree in his system)

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>>19414719
>>19414733
Thanks for not being condescending.

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>>19414752
Evoking the Dualform of Sexuality, probably in the attraction of Adonais to the aims of feeding a wytchbottle/urn.

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>>19414768
No problem.

>>19414758
Eyup.

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>>19414733
I was mostly trolling but I wholly intend to make rosaries for the specific godforms based upon whatever mysteries reveal themselves. I also wholly intend to work toad bone but I feel it is not yet the time.
>>19414758
It's my entirely profane opinion that in terms of the mysteries of Zain H+J has a lot in the way of Lovers and Chumbley has a lot in the way of Brothers. I would like to see a synthesis because as I understand it in the Saabat relational metaphors kind of break down. Gonna go through my H+J notes about it

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>>19414783
I fear for my sanity that these images are becoming intelligible.

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>>19414794
>as mostly trolling but I wholly intend to make rosaries for the specific godforms based upon whatever mysteries reveal themselves.

>>19414798
You mean they weren't always that way?

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>>19414808
Nope.

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>>19414798
>The ejaculating Hermaphrodite at the bottom

>"I who have Arisen have given Maat to Ra"

>>19414806
121 snake vertebrae.

Onyx and cowbone spacers; snake vertebrae, goldstone, amethyst, red jasper, agate, sodalite, citrine, fluorite Not yet attached when taken: Gibeon meteorite.

Hallowing rosary: Cowbone, onyx spacers, yakbone skulls, and a rabbit vertebrae.

>>19414701
>This will make a convenient reference for when I make my bone rosary to the Witch mother
Sad you're trolling cuz

>>19414733
This is sick

>>19414853
Ooooh it's fucking lit fa m.

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>>19414774
unf

Some of his images really do evoke very intense desire

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>>19414889
>Ooooh it's fucking lit fa m.
I try.
I should really cut up some of these human longbones strewn about my ritual space.

So I understand the theory of practising Chaos Magick and a few other summonings techniques. Been successful with some spells, talked to spirits etc. But I never can really decide what I want to cast a spell for. My will and "law of attraction" practices work pretty well. Would casting for success in school and recognition of my art be a good idea? Worried a negative entity might attach itself to it.

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>>19414890
That's what I'm on about with that teth axis that connects geburah to chesed, like in that way ebony's and chumbley's
magick connect in my understanding

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>>19414922
Nice paneling.

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>>19414922
Why are your walls like that it's my least favorite thing about the 90s.

Rabbit vertibrae you say?

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>>19414930
>"law of attraction"

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>>19414944
I absolutely agree. The general Zonule of the Ophidian mysteries and what not. I see them connect at Nun hard in a certain sense as well but that could be my general proclivities talking

https://hermetic.com/osiris/scorpioandthelovedragon

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
>>19414922
What's in there?

>>19414661
Only the kind that has you sacrificing children and worshiping the Ba'alim. I highly doubt that, since you can't get to Tophet in the Valley of Gehinnom. It's a wasteland today. No fire. Not even a cult that goes there regularly. Yids own the land now.

>>19414701
What "witch mother" do you refer to?

>>19414719
The initiations of A.'. A.'. are worthwhile in the effort required, but I don't see how that picture relates. Help?

>>19414853
I always think of Aghori when I think of bones, but this is very neat just in itself.

>>19414890
Is that a piece by Nema?

>>19415009
>Negi

Well damn didn't see this guy getting recycled into the mix

>>19414719
>>19414733
>qayin
This takes LARP'ing to a whole new level. I've never seen anything like it.

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>>19415009
Lilith
>>19415044
No thats good old Orryelle Defenestrate back when he was in HML
>>19414845
That is Nema

>>19415056
It's like SUPER HML-y. I love how the density of the ToL nodes increases with the presence of Ammit., like the weight of the heart allows it to be in a less-dense space that Ammit can't access

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>mfw Negi

>>19415090
Good to see you too.

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>>19415078
Totally, I always liked Nema's approach to Lamed, it makes me glad I approached her work when I was a noob because now that understanding is paying off

Also Orreyelle is gonna come to America next year to give out tattoos

>>19415104
That's one hell of an art.

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>>19415090

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>>19415110
Probably my favorite living esoterically inclined artist

>>19415100
Shouldn't you be sitting in the Autphag thread on kiwifar.ms?

Get the hell outta here, mate.

>>19415104
YOU what the dude who drew that does tattoos? Cuz uh. Link me up fa m. I need new work

>>19415139
I have nearly nothing to do with Autphag and don't care to see what foolish shit he's spewing there.

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>>19415139
>kiwifar.ms
man kids are never gonna change. Bless the internet
>>19415143
He wrote a manifesto of sorts on the subject:
http://www.crossroads.wild.net.au/ttt.htm

>>19414979
What about it?

>>19415159
Holy shit I'm aboutta throw this dude 390 bucks and let him go ham on my back

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>>19415150
>Negi Springfield was last seen: Jun 12, 2017
Uhuh, sure.

>>19415182
I'm checking right now, only because you told me about it. Normally I would disregard the idiot tranny. He's nothing but a pain in my side. I wish I could be done with him.

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>>19415196
Nice self control.

Best of luck with Aspergia.

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I can't find the Crystal tablet of Set in the MEGA, anyone know where to find it (Besides contacting a pylon).

>>19415215
It wasn't ever going to be a thing anyway. Autphag is too stupid to do anything like run a country. He is also a stupid tranny. I hate that crap so much.

Shouldn't this thread be renamed to /thele/?

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>>19415243
>tripfag lovefest general

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>>19415234
Holy fuck, my sides:

>I don't know why I came back here, but here I am. I don't know what to say about Autphag, so I'll keep it brief. I don't really like Autphag anymore. I feel like there is something that needs to change before I can associate with that person ever again. I want an end to the tranny shit right away. NO MORE TRANNY SHIT. I can't take it. It's not good now, especially with society going the way it is. So I might just not give any more money. I don't want to fund a tranny loser. I want to only deal with people who are free from the contagion of transsexual insanity. When Autphag wants to deal with me, he will find in himself his masculine identity. I know he's been threadbanned, but part of me does hope he reads this. I want everyone who thinks I'm friends with him to read this and know that I am in many ways not friends with this person. He is a leech. I once had respect for him but not anymore. The tranny shit is just the last straw.

>>19415215
>>19415133

>>19415249
sickening. Mods should really do their job.

>>19415258
Hey you can fuck right off with Negi.

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>>19415267
Whatever there's more on topic discussion here than 90 percent of the trash that's usually on the front page. Whatever you think /x/ should be it either never existed or is long gone

>>19415255
Holy shit I thought he said "tyranny" in his post I got so puzzled by your response

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>>19414636
You can do anything if you set your mind to it.

>>19415275
Yes, but you tripfag larpers are pure cancer

>>19415292
But no dude is just mad about trannies. Not tyranny

>>19414733
the larping has gotten out of hand. holy fucking autism, batman!

>>19415312
Then stay off our nice threads. Go to the Tumblr vampire threads or something

>>19415514
Your threads are fucking shit, but you're right. Shitposting is a bad hobby so I'll go.

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>>19415662

Tripfags should be drug out into the street and shot.

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>>19415766
So, are you a new troll or a regular?

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Is the Ordo Astri any good? Whats going on with this Mass:


http://www.ordoastri.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Liturgical_Mass_Litany_Collects.pdf

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>>19415794
>http://www.ordoastri.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Liturgical_Mass_Litany_Collects.pdf
Interesting concepts, dated expressions (HORMAKU is a shit translation that predates Budge and built around scholarship from 1880 that asserts an asininely sort of Morman "Egypt and Maya were in contact" theory.

On one hand it looks interesting, on the other why not just do an Initiatory Mass?

>>19415822
His blog is an interesting read, I would link it to you but someone reporting me for spam so now I can't post links

So is there any summoner here or is it just a shitpost general?

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Newfag here, I'm currently reading through >>19414597
^these and want to know what I should do after. I'm not trying to just jump in and summon a demon or something, I just want to learn more about this stuff and various occult or esoteric related subjects in general. I'm seeking wisdom and don't know where to begin.

>>19416435
There is a beginner's library in the OP.

So I've been reading through modern magick (Donald Michael Kraig) and it's probably been the best at providing a solid system in a course work manner. I've been taking my time and doing the relaxation and tarot contemplation daily. I'm ready to add the LBRP. Is am alter with the 4 tools and a room really needed? I'll figure it out if so. Lastly, any recommendations for after I'm done with this book would be groovy mates

>>19416752
An altar*

>>19416752

https://hermetic.com/crowley/book-4/aba3

>>19415840
I'm signed up for his email updates, they're quality. He's a really nice guy too, for what that is worth. We had some correspondence over email. I have his invocation of Khonsu written into Ebony's new moon rite

>I invoke KHONSU, oracular Rider of the Chariot of the Sky. Oh thou, who comes forth from MUT! Majesty of Godhead: hawk-headed word-bird, flame of the night! Thou bearest the Left Eye of Ra, and thou wieldest the was sceptre! Wearer of the menat, wielder of the flail; thou of the beautiful KA!

it goes on. Shaula I think you're shared on that googledoc, the whole thing is there in a "comment," if you're interested

What suppliers/manufacturers/brands/etc would you gents recommend for high quality incense?

Serious question: is there any way I can do magick without LARPing as an ancient Egyptian? Or without any roleplay at all?

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>>19417013
I mean you can stir "positive intentions" into your morning cup of coffee, like what exactly do you want anon there is an infinite world of options out there.

>>19417021
I want material success. What can I do, that doesn't include Ra-Hoor-Khuit or Moloch, to do that?

>>19417042

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_and_Grow_Rich

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>>19414798
>images are becoming intelligible
>"As you once did for the vacuous Rom, grant us eyes, grant us eyes. Plant eyes on our brains, to cleanse our beastly idiocy."
Huh. Neat. Reminds me of Bloodborne.

>>19417013
Yes.

>>19417013
No.

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>>19417098
>Nurture irrepressible vision!
>~t. chumbs

Also this is cool ~


>As a parting tale, it is worth speaking about another fascinating path of influence
into Traditional Craft, namely that of Gypsy beliefs. Indeed, I recall once being told the
Tale of the Uncooling Nail by a Romany fellow:-
>On the night before Christ’s crucifixion, soldiers were sent out to have four long nails forged for the deed. They
approached Jewish, Greek, and Roman smiths, but each refused once they had heard the
nails were for Jesus of Nazareth’s crucifixion. Outside the city gates the soldiers found a
Romany smith. He didn’t ask the need for the long nails so late at night; he just needed
the money. The smith obliged and began making the nails, one by one.
>However, whilst heating the fourth nail in the fire, he asked who they were for. On learning they were for
Christ’s crucifixion, the gypsy ceased his work abruptly and fled. However, the fiery nail
that had been in the forge never cooled down; it remained a glowing spike of blood-red
flame. And, so it is said, the Uncooling ‘Nowl’ will follow the descendants of the
Romany smith wherever they go. It is held that the Romany smith was himself a
descendant of Tubal-cain, the first metal-worker, and he had in turn learned his Art from
Cain.
>Personally, I consider that the Old Craft has now taken up this nail; knowingly! We
have a saying: ‘The way of sacrifice maketh man whole’.

>>19417185
Gypsies are the scum of the world.

So should I just read everything in its beginner's folder first?

>>19416827
Thanks for the rec! Any insight as to whether I can do the LBRP successfully without an altar and tools?

>>19417277
No, it can only be performed if you're properly robed in the appropriate attire of your grade, with an enchanted sword in hand and only within the bounds of your temple.

Results require hard work.

>>19417277
>Any insight as to whether I can do the LBRP successfully without an altar and tools?

All you need to perform an LRP is your body. Draw the pents with your finger.

>>19417275
Use your best judgement, research, and gravitate towards what interests you.

Barberous Names for ZHA are shaping up nicely.

>>19417277
You sure can! Use your finger of your right hand. I wouldn't go doing evocation using my finger and wearing jeans, but for LRP and LRH you should be fine. And when you begin doing them on the astral, you can formulate all the tools you need. But I'm of the opinion that one should always be doing rituals physically as well as astrally. It's important to master the astral, and it's important to master the physical. Probably not in that order, though. You MAY also like

http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/aba/aba1.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/aba/aba2.htm
But if you're going to pick just one part of that book to read M:TP (Liber ABA, Part 3) is probably the way to go. If you have trouble with it, refer back to these two ("Liber ABA [aka Book 4] Part 1: Mysticism" and "Part 2: Magick").

Here's another good'un"

https://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib6

And one for general discipline of speech, action, and thought:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib3.htm
(in place of razor, a rubber band may be substituted. I found that in especially stubborn cases, the razor is more effective).
Some links on AP:

http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Astral_projection

http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Rising_on_the_Planes

http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Body_of_Light

If you like Regardie, this book has some good basic stuff about LRP and MP plus some basic "Hermetic Qabalah:"

http://www.golden-dawn.com/eu/UserFiles/en/file/pdf/Middle_Pillar.pdf

>>19417277
>>19417733
Or, as it has been stated in this thread, perhaps the TRUE arcanum of arcana and supreme path to enlightenment is:

Wear your Holy Robes in public, do Ritual in jeans and a T-shirt.

I will undoubtedly be kicked out of every esoteric order to which I do and do not belong for revealing this unto you.

>>19414774
How did the artist create/implement these works in ritual? Quick rundown and/or links to more info RE: the process? Tankya!

What can you tell me about jewish gnosticism?

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How was your first reaction when you actually saw clearly the apparition of the spirit you were evoking? Is ok to feel scared without losing control?

Is there anywhere I can find the True Grimoire and Geosophia in hardback? I don't want no cheap bibliotheque rouge.

>>19417842
>discord

nope

Deep Principles of Kabbalistic Alchemy?

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Aww yeeeaah, new books.

>>19417868
eBay but be prepared to pay out the ass. I wouldn't pay more than original price plus international shipping plus about 10 bucks. You're looking at like 90 a book at the cheapest.

>>19417595
Oh?

>>19417868
You can also check occult resellers. I like JD Holmes, but that's because everything else is in England and shipping is murder.

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>>19417595
>Barbarous names

Do you think they'll be inherently more powerful for someone who isn't you to use? Crowley says that the senselessness of the barbarous names is key to their effectiveness (but granted he did a bunch of shit that contradicts the sentiment, like actively changing the names to make more sense).

I've been researching on the draconians lately and found this.

"The question is, what is behind this fascist mysticism which so greatly fascinated the masses?
The answer can be found in an analysis of the "proofs" which Rosenberg, in his MYTHUS DES 20. JAHRHUNDERTS," adduces for the correctness of the fascist race theory. He writes:

The values of the race soul which are the driving forces behind the picture of the new world, have not yet become living
consciousness.

[70] Yet soul means race seen from the inside. Conversely, race is the outer world of the soul.
This is an example of the innumerable typically National Socialist phrases. They seem to disclose no meaning;

more than that, they seem to hide any meaning as if intentionally, even from the writer himself. If one does not
know the mass-psychological effectiveness of just such mystical phrases, one will also underestimate their great
irrational political effect. Rosenberg says further:
Race history, therefore, is natural history and soul mysticism at one and the same time. Conversely, the history of the religion of the
blood is the great world history of the ascent and decline of nations, of their heroes and thinkers, of their inventors and artists.
The recognition of this fact, Rosenberg goes on to say, leads to the further recognition that the "struggling of the
blood" and the "inkling of the mysticism of the life process" are not two separate things, but represent one and the
same thing in two different ways. "Struggling of the blood . . ." "mysticism of the life process . . ." "ascent and
decline of nations . . ." "blood poisoning . . ." "Jewish world plague"—all lie in a line which begins with the
"struggling of the blood" and ends in bloody terror against the "Jewish materialism" of Marx and in the massacre
of Jews"

What do you think of it?

Are astral projection and lucid dreaming one and the same?
Semi-related how can you verify you are APing and not imagining stuff?

>>19418118
>Are astral projection and lucid dreaming one and the same?

No, but they appear to be two aspects of the same phenomena.

>>19418118
i will be serious for a second and answer you

astral projection is roleplaying and imagining stuff, it is astrology

lucid dreaming is real and proven scientifically, as it's a dream in which your brain is in a higher state of awareness

if you don't believe me read wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dream
>A lucid dream is a dream during which the dreamer is aware of dreaming. During lucid dreaming, the dreamer may be able to exert some degree of control over the dream characters, narrative, and environment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection
>Astral projection (or astral travel) is a term used in esotericism to describe a willful out-of-body experience (OBE), a supposed form of telepathy,[1][2] that assumes the existence of a soul or consciousness called an "astral body" that is separate from the physical body

if people who claim ap is real reply to you i advise you to talk to them in the way they are: roleplayers

>>19418144
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection
>There is no known scientific evidence that astral projection as an objective phenomenon exists.[7][8][9]

Fucking btfo

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>>19418142
Hey you.
Chumbley scried through LIL.
Pic related is at least a portion of his Vision at the end of the tunnel.

Comments?

>>19418154
Define "objective phenomenon".

We know that OBE activates parts of the brain which are only used by those who keep advanced mental topographies. Shit like cab drivers. It appears that the bodily sense begins to over into said topographical space.

https://www.livescience.com/50683-out-of-body-illusion.html
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01076137

>>19418188
filtered

>>19418159

That's an interesting one. I never believed Crowley's vision of LIL and it's obviously above my pay grade.

Organic, isn't it? Wish I still had access to Gizmo. He'd have loved Chumbley.

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>>19418188
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection
>>19418154
>[7][8][9]
By the way cute citations which decry the metaphysics while literally ignoring the surprisingly large about of neuroscience research being done on the phenomena.

Pseudoscience: A Critical Encyclopedia. Greenwood. p. 29.
Terence Hines. (2003). Pseudoscience and the Paranormal. Prometheus Books. pp. 103-106.
Robert L. Park. (2008). Superstition: Belief in the Age of Science. Princeton University Press. pp. 90-91.

>mfw pseuds cry about pseudoscience while ignoring the labwork

>>19418105
trash. a fundamental misunderstanding
>>19417778
Check out Kabbalah.
>>19418104
I don't think he meant senselessness as "has no intrinsic meaning"
What makes the barbarous names special is that you don't really have to know the mysteries they conceal to gain their effects. For example the barbarous names in Liber Samekh are very old and their intended meanings have long since been lost.
>>19418159
I knew I saw Enochian in that book somewhere. I see an eye, an egg, a swaddling babe, a dragon, and a dragonfly

>>19418201
filtered

>>19418205
I thought you already filtered me here: >>19418190

Any chance of you actually refuting the research?

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=%22out+of+body%22+neuroscience&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C14&as_sdtp=

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>>19418203
How so?

>>19418203

Yeah, duh. I mean, senselessness to the participant, and if Ape is constructing a set of barbarous names, he'll presumably have a specific sense of their specific "senses." That's why I kind of had this thought that the true beneficiary of the work he is doing on them could be the person who gets ahold of his names after him.

>>19418242
Because the "race=soul history" idea is bound up in pseudo platonic old Greek racial theories that they just made up to make themselves feel superior about their culture. Just like every other racial theory ever. Racial consciousness is a barrier to self supremacy not a path to it

>>19418273
I don't agree with the suppositions of anon's quote at all, but you could argue that biological and sociological difference in race and culture lead to paths that are generally more optimal due to genetic and memetic selection of traits. Certain presuppositions underlying practices are fundamentally driven by race and culture and I find many of them utterly alien and difficult to work with because of it. We are tribal, some of what makes us up is genetically based and we have deep shit at play on all sides because of it.

Anything beyond recognition that some shit works better than others because of these factors is nonsense, but it's an important distinction to make.

>>19418568

But, since race is a social construct, you're talking gibberish.

"Again, it is necessary to acknowledge the limitations of the data, and thus of the comparisons themselves. But from the two columns of "annual rates" this much seems clear: New England was at least as active as Old England in finding and prosecuting witches—and probably a good deal more so. Interestingly, the figures look most nearly
equivalent when New England is matched with the county of Essex alone. Essex was beyond doubt a center of witch-hunting within the
mother country; and Essex supplied a disproportionately large complement of settlers for the new colonies across the sea. The linkage is suggestive, to say the least."
-- John Demos, Entertaining Satan

>>19418593
>since race is a social construct
Then why is it that ashkenazis have have significantly higher rate of schizophrenia and certain genetic diseases unique to the race, feather indians can't eat the white man's food without serious health problems, and sickle cell anemia is so prevalent in Africans? Race is real. The conclusions of racists are spurious, but there are quantifiable trends in all fields that point to difference that align with the concept of race.

>>19418612
>Race is real.

You need to believe it is real. Not the same.

>>19418614
You need to believe magic is real and here we are.

Strange question perhaps - any ritual/magick work to improve my memory? It's very bad and I'm sure what else I can do about it. I take herbs and work don't live an "unhealthy" lifestyle

>>19418612
>race is the same thing as ethnicity

Please actually read a fucking book before you spout off your bullshit

>>19418614
>>19418617
Top
fucking
kek

>>19418683
I'm drunk and full of shitposts.

>>19418607
Liddell (born and died in Essex) also claimed that the prominent occultist Aleister Crowley had been initiated into one of these nine covens as a young man. According to this account, Crowley had been introduced to the coven in 1899 or 1900 by his magical mentor, Allan Bennett. Liddell asserted that Crowley was subsequently ejected from the coven for his misbehaviour. As evidence for these claims, he stated that his own grandfather had been present on three occasions at which Bennett and Crowley met with Pickingill, and that he had seen a photograph in which the three figures are together. When asked to present this photograph for public scrutiny in 1977, Liddell claimed that it was "not available"; when independently asked again in 1983, he asserted that it had been stolen by "interested parties".

There is however another source of stories about Crowley and Witchcraft. In the 1970s W.E. (Bill) Liddell published a series of articles which he claimed were written by pre-Gardnerian Witches who wished to remain anonymous. Liddell himself claimed both Gardnerian and Hereditary initiations, making him a bridge between the two worlds. The articles discussed the activities of George Pickingill, 1816 – 1909, a Witch in a hereditary line eight centuries old who founded nine covens in Canewdon in Essex. In 1994 Michael Howard assembled these articles in The Pickingill Papers, The Origin of the Gardnerian Craft.

In “Gerald Gardner and his Detractors” Liddell (or the anonymous Witch) claims that Allan Bennett was one of Pickingill’s pupils. Bennett was both a member of the Golden Dawn and a Buddhist and Crowley’s first teacher in these spiritual paths. The article claims Bennett passed a third spiritual practice to Crowley – Witchcraft. Bennett introduced Crowley to one of Pickingill’s nine covens. Crowley received the Second Rite in Hereditary Witchcraft but was rapidly expelled; however he used the material he received in later rituals.

>>19418699
Liddell’s story goes on: this means that when Crowley met Gardner the two men discovered they not only shared Masonry but initiation into Pickingill covens. Crowley reproduced from memory the book of Witchcraft rituals he had received from his initiators and this material was one of the sources Gardner used in creating his books. When Crowley affiliated Gardner into O.T.O, Gardner reciprocated by inducting Crowley into Gardnerian Craft.

There is no documentation to substantiate any of these stories. Heselton notes that Ronald Hutton discounts all the stories of Crowley’s involvements with Witchcraft on the grounds that there is no mention of this in his diaries.

>>19418699

This was a hot topic, back when we were assembling the KAOS material. Grant claimed to have Bennett's "blasting rod".

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>>19418715
>>19418699
>>19418607

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>>19418623
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_loci

>>19418720
More and more it looks, in some sense, true.

>>19418730
Gardner was introduced to Crowley by Arnold Crowther. Crowther’s widow Patricia told Heselton that Crowley had seemed knowledgeable about Witchcraft but wasn’t interested in rituals led by a High Priestess because he “wasn’t the sort to be bossed around by women”. Heselton quotes additional details Gardner provided about that first meeting to John Symonds: “He was very interested in the witch cult, and had some idea of combining it w. the Order, but nothing came of it.”

Gardner also wrote to Cecil Williamson that Crowley was “in the Cult” but found the nudity distasteful, although he highly approved of the Great Rite. Gardner also claimed that Crowley didn’t want to have to kneel to a High Priestess. Heselton immediately quotes sources who find this unlikely. How unlikely is apparent to anyone who has seen a Gnostic Mass in which the priest kneels before the nude (if she chooses) priestess on the altar.

Heselton concludes that Crowley may have said something offhand about knowing about Witchcraft as a form of one-upmanship in his first meeting with Gardner.

>>19418730
>>19418739

I'm like Mulder, I wanna believe.

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>>19418744
>me irl on the left

>>19418752
Assuming there's probably something exactly like what everyone expects, can we assume that chumbles is probably something exactly like witch cults? With obvious allowances for clear examples of his own syncretism and maybe some of the less obvious stuff as well.

Who gives a fuck

Crowley's dead
Drama kills orders
Legal might don't make right

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>>19418730
Is that from the Ronald Hutton book?

There was a weird public TV show in Wales called Elidir where an initiate of Mrs. Paterson's cult supposedly talks about her and historical witchcraft in Wales

>>19418752
>>19418744
I should also note, the illustration of LIL here, >>19418159, is the only time I've seen Chumbley's hand falter in terms of his sigil calligraphy. That lower right quadrant is fevered, disjointed, and repetitious.

>>19418782
Not that anybody cares, but if you look around the image you can see the three Mother Letters in Hebrew, which is strange for Chumbley

>>19418774
That's from Mike Howard's "Modern Wicca: A History From Gerald Gardner to the Present"

>>19418593
>race is a social construct

Tell that to the doctor when you need a bone marrow transplant.shannon lose

Imma need all you got on sigils.

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>>19418752
Actual laughter

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spooky mulder

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>>19418785

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>>19418792
>he can't tell the difference between race and phenotype/genotype.

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Where should I go on occult vacation. I have from aug 18th til Labor Day

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>>19418819
>Al-ISh

Speak of which, being the smart young kabbalist you are, do you have any idea what Kaplan is talking about when he says that some Rabbinical Authorities claim that the Mother letters conceal a deeper mystery in the letters Alef Vav Yud?

>>19418830
>any idea what Kaplan is talking about
Rarely if ever do I understand these cats.
Scholem is the worst about it. He'll often make assertions without really backing them up and we can only rely on his authority.

>>19418782

It's a powerful piece.

>>19418792

2017 and still this stupid.

>>19418822

Exactly!

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>>19418839
The only thing I can think of is the exgesis where Alef is made by a two Yuds connected by a Vav, Ari Claims that's how the waters were separated. The only person I know who really knows this stuff at that level is DCS and I think he got mad at me for being too eager for inner Kabbalistic mysteries. Sigh

>>19418840
>>19418830
>Nun, Nun, Samekh, Samekh, Samekh
http://www.billheidrick.com/works/hgm2.htm#280
Curiouser and curiouser.

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Is blood addictive? It would explain a lot about certain types of people if so.

>>19418840
Out of curiosity, are you a communist?

>>19418863
>--- watcher (used for angels).

Indeed.

>>19418883

Nope.

>>19418883
What would a dialectic materialist be doing here?

>>19418950
Just making sure.

>>19418961
Causing trouble.

>>19418715
why wouldn't he mention it in his diaries?

>>19418996
1) We have lost diaries.
2) Maybe he didn't care.
3) Maybe he did but didn't comment thereon.
4) It was jettisoned from the mythweaving seen in materials like The Hag.

>>19418863
>Nun, Nun, Samekh, Samekh, Samekh

?

>>19419250
>>19418159
Lower right, bottom of vision, above sigil cell.

>>19419232
you have a far better sense of the man than i do, doesn't it seem like something that would've come up more in his writings?

>>19419315
I've thought about this before and had a few thoughts

>Covens at the time were mostly garbage
The likelihood of the flavor of witchcraft one is introduced to being folksy and unfocused seems like it has been relatively stable throughout history
>Crowley was really young and it didn't stick
>Witchcraft is not to be talked about and has injunctions against revealing...anything to outsiders
It's one thing to be a member of a holy order and another entirely to be branded a witch. Not to mention oaths of secrecy are no joke.
>the spurious, bullshitty nature surrounding everything to do with witchcraft was as much a problem then as it is trying to study it now and it had no credibility
I like this one. Regardless of what great and terrible fruit the tree may bear, the craft remains elusive and personal and ever elsewhere. It has such a shitty public face and a quality of the real deal being something "other people" do "elsewhere" that it can't be credibly talked about.
>the body of knowledge is mostly indistinguishable from other practices

Those are just my musings.

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>>19419485
>Not to mention oaths of secrecy are no joke

I'm leaning towards this. Witchcraft in England tended to be taught through familial lines and kept "inside the family"

the consequences of getting caught as a witch or breaking the oath of secrecy were both very severe

>>19419498
Worth noting that being bludgeoned to death and buried in a field by half the village was the consequence in both cases.

Is modern music occult?

>>19419538
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldRhniqAI6s

>>19419538
https://youtu.be/3UhjblIwfFM

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>>19419585
As far as I can tell Nibiru is just a misunderstanding regarding ancient astrology and how in many systems they would have "planets" that aren't really planets eg:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahu

The Dragon is literally about to swallow the Sun though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=205K9Pim2oE

>>19419609
The dragon is the moon?

>>19419623
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahu
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draco_(constellation)

Each Saros moves from pole to pole depending on what cycle you're in

https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEsaros/SEsaros145.html

>>19419609
https://youtu.be/vWaljXUiCaE

>>19419623
The head and the tail of the dragon in chyottis astrology are the north and south nodes of the moon. The lunar nodes aren't actual points of the moon but the place where the moon crosses the ecliptic of the earth

>>19419551
>>19419585
I meant more just the flow and emotions behind it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNoGIR3T7FI

>>19419661
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS-af9Q-zvQ

>>19419655
What is chyottis?

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>>19419670
If you googled it and got nothing try jyotish. It's the "correct" name for Vedic astrology, depending on who you talk to

>>19419623
You say that cuz of its motion around the earth?

>>19419513
more metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJJrIQsCTcQ
>>19419692
Yeah the eclipse

sup /omg/, don't know if this is the right place to come but where would i find books about those circles that cults always use to do rituals and shit?

Im talking all kinds of magic (or magik) circles like the ones you see in cartoons, animes, rap albums, satanic symbols with the weird smaller symbols inside the circles. Do they all come from the same place?

Is The Awakening Ground pretty self contained and beginner friendly, or would a primer on kabalah/something else from the beginner folder be needed? Thanks

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>>19420017
>The Awakening Ground
It's a great book but perhaps not the best introduction to Kabbalistic concepts

Gershem Scholem may be better for a beginner, depending on what your angle of approach is or what you intend to do

>>19418159
Looks like a lateral xray view of an organic heart with some fowl/reptile tailed creature shadowing it. A newly spawned egg under guard. Is it supposed to give one a headache viewing this?

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>>19420017
https://www.amazon.com/Ehyeh-Kabbalah-Dr-Arthur-Green/dp/1580232132

This contains historical context, the basic framework of kabbalah and some fun mysticism. The dude used to eat LSD in the Haite but is like also extremely grounded in his practice and traditional Judaism.

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>>19420147
Why must my images rotate..

so if Bardon's IIH isn't hermetic, then what is it

What is Aleph? It's the name of an album of a pretty popular electronic producer, but it just occurred to me that it may be an esoteric concept after seeing it referenced in a more openly occult band.

Provided that I'm purchasing them and some may be out of print, what are the must have books in a chaos magic library?

493, Ape Of Thoth and Shaula, I would like to see you three test a spirit, its name is Borabma, it is related to the first enochian key and this key is used in his evocation.

Any of you three interesting in giving this a try?

>>19418830

the mother letters are AMSh, the father letters are IAV/IAO

AHYH+YHVH=AHYHVH, the three H's are veils for the three mothers producing
AShIAVM the gematria of which is 358 the messiah (note AHYHVH=32=entire tree of life)

AShYMVA can be rearranged to spell AYSh an ancient name of what we call Tiphareth, rooted the word "fire" and AVM “a nut.” This is a reference to God like the center of the nut, around which the shells have hardened, from which the entire tree grows. Thus is the worship of Adonai.

On AHYHVH, AHYHVH = 32 = whole tree of life

AHIHVH = AShIAVM=IAV+AMSH

IAV = IHVH ALOAH VE'DA'AT

IAO=IAV = tiffereth = shemash

MShA = from fire

From fire = secret fire = Kundalini = NChSh

AShIAVM = 358

Anointed one = MShICh = 358
Serpent = NChSh = 358

AShIAVM = Christ and the serpent, male and female, perfect equilibrium.

>>19418159

In my opinion the enochian keys are for the gates of loagaeth/49 gates of understanding particularly in the practice of Gebofal. I believe the point of Gebofal is to more or less integrate each gate/each of the low aspects of creation slowly integrating a higher part burning the tablets into yourself. The Aethyrs being like an Egg. The Purpose of Gebofal then is the hatching of the Egg once someone reaches the final Gate, not the final Aethyr LIL, in which one understands it to be the egg containing all which shall burst and has bursted (da'at-messiah see the sha'are orah) but the final Gate which reveals Ain Soph. The being birthed by this is the Last, Omega, Galvah. GALVH=3+1+30+6+5=45 therefore Galvah is the perfected man, the Church, the Bride of Christ Omega. The completion of Adam. This is the mystery his vision was hinting at as far as my bias says.

Thoughts on the Kemetic Order of Aset Ka?
Why are there psychic vampires and not meme sorcerer-paladins?

>>19418879

No

>>19420456
>the first enochian key

What do you mean?

Does anyone or you know a way to hide what you are doing from external forces like rving and scrying?


A priest dude told my mom I shouldn't be doing stuff and I'm trying to conceal my rituals

>>19418144
How come people who are "awake" and seated in asana exhibit the same brain wave patterns as those who are laying down, asleep, and actively experiencing a lucid dream?

>it is astrology
>Astrology (n.): the study of the movements and relative positions of celestial bodies interpreted as having an influence on human affairs and the natural world.

Wot?

There are some methods for obscuring one's work like that, but most of them are built with the assumption that whoever is looking already knows the magician is a magician and just wants to figure out what they're up to. i.e., it would still look suspicious, if not more suspicious to someone like a priest in this scenario.
The closest thing I can think of off the top of my head for non-suspicious-obfuscation is a trick from voodoo and related practices. I can't recall it's official name, but it's basically a reverse voodoo doll. The magician crafts a doll of them self and charges it such that spells launched at the magician get their targeting screwed up and strike the doll instead.
I've never actually used it for this purpose, but I don't see why there's not at least a possibility that it would work if the intent of the doll was changed slightly and it was put in a container or something along with various other items to "craft a visual narrative" so to speak.

>>19418679
>a socially constructed category of identification based on physical characteristics, ancestry, historical affiliation, or shared culture:
"Her parents wanted her to marry within her race."

IT DOESN'T EXIST REEEEEE

Anyway here's several other apparently arbitrary definitions that contradict each other:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/race

Also,
>ethnicity (n.) the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition.
Look guys ethnicity is a social construct! Can anyone tell me why people came to the conclusion that "social construct" = "doesn't actually exist"? Obviously it *does* exist. It was *constructed.*

>>19421419
oops, forgot to link
>>19421345

>>19421420

What a needy little fuck!

>>19418623
Nootropics, maybe Bacopa or Yohimbine even. Google Art of Memory. I live a rather unhealthy lifestyle substance-wise (but eat well, etc.) and actually have a better memory than I did 3 years ago.

>>19418772
I don't see anyone talking about "legal might" except you and Jed Gunther.

Was Hitler really the last avatar before the coming of Kalki?

>>19420323
What is google? It's a Hebrew Letter. The first one of their Aleph-Bet.

>>19419232
When Crowley talks about carving wooden fetishes in his Autohag, do we know what that waS for? Some kinda Afro-Carrib system?

>>19421427
>Needy (adj) lacking the necessities of life; very poor.
>characterized by poverty
Are we all just making up our own definitions for words today? Also, this only my second comment on this topic ITT, so I'm not even the person you were originally talking to.

>>19421345
Rose Cross Ritual

>>19414487
anyone know the consequences of a birth around or during the solar eclipse?

>>19421476
Yeah you age very slowly because you can only have your birthday on solar eclipses.

I just wanna sum some amusing points up here from the last two threads I was just reviewing
>Ape says "Pseudoepigrapha"
>anon accuses him of using "official jargon" to sound authoritative
>(HURRR)
>Guy thinks LAM is a grey alien
>but also a "demon"
>thinks it's the only entity that ever manifested for Crowley
Should I continue? I'm considering doing a "highlights" post for each thread? Or will that just make me an assposting dick?

>>19421519

It makes you a shitposting cock. These threads should be about occultism and sharing with those who need help, not circlejerking and being sad shits that come here for social interaction and to feel superior to others.

>>19421529
>These threads should be about occultism and sharing with those who need help
True dat! Man, we NEED a hero to stand up and make /omg/ Great Again!

>These threads should be about occultism and sharing with those who need help

Now remind me which of these things you did in your post?

>>19421529
>>19421535
Ohh haha I get it you're one of the self-righteous wankers from a previous thread that I just shat on a moment ago. Otherwise I don't see why you would be bitching, and in your bitching, do the EXACT SAME THING you're crying about.

>>19414597
>"a deep level of gnosis is required to go out of body..."
Gnosis? Is that really the right term? Are they just using a general definition there or what?

>>19421564
They might be using the term kind of like chaotes do.

>>19421564
>Gnosis? Is that really the right term?

Not really. But chaos magicians appropriated and redefined, "gnosis", so within that paradigm, it's reasonably correct usage.

>>19421564
Chaotes call altered states of consciousness gnosis, so that must be it.

>>19421581
Word. I'm glad you mentioned that because i keep seeing "gnosis" being used in ways that do not seem appropriate for the definition I am familiar with. What's the Chaos definition/description of gnosis?

>>19421575
>>19421581
>>19421583
>>19421586
Ah, OK. Thanks all for clearing that up. Man, I wish there was a group of anons to descend on EVERY question posted like that!

>>19421586
>What's the Chaos definition/description of gnosis?
"too long; didn't read, but here's a word that may mean one-pointedness when it doesn't mean something else" I'd argue that the use of 'gnosis' was the point chaos went from pulling what was useful from different places to lazy fucks making shit up.

>>19421586
tl;dr excited gnosis is "amped up", inhibited gnosis is "toned down". Think rip roaring concert vs quiet secluded meditative state.

>>19421586
>What's the Chaos definition/description of gnosis?

See the foundational texts, like Pete Carroll's, Liber Null & Psychonaut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mtzU9mVlk0

>>19421610
The whole thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvPyipy8erg

>>19421598
>>19421604
>>19421608
>>19421610

Thanks again. Most Chaotes I know fit the bill of the Chaote Stereotype, but I know they're not all like that, just most of the public ones for whatever reason. Can anyone tell me why people like Grant Morrison and Phil Hine are mostly considered tools? Those are two cats I don't know a lot about.

>>19421641
What's the Chaote Stereotype look like these days?

>>19421486
this made me actually lol

>>19421476
The answer is "it depends." in this case it depends on where the eclipse occurs in the chart. Is it this solar eclipse? Briefly, it will mean that the native will have a sun conjunct moon, occurring two degrees from the star Regulus, which is interesting on its own. Further interpretation would require the person to be actually born, so you can chart their asc. and determine in which house that stellar pile-up is occurring. If this is your kid then I hope they wait like a solid two weeks after the eclipse, just because you're going to have a powerful, emotionally tumultuous tiny person on your hands with all that stuff in Leo and that sounds hard haha, for you.

A solar eclipse is always going to occur on a new moon. People born on new moons that aren't eclipses, there's this interpretation of the light of the sun eclipsing the lesser light of the moon, so it's interesting that in a solar eclipse birth chart, we have the exact opposite thing happening.

It's an intense placement. If it's your kid, get an astrologer to interpret their chart after birth.

>>19421641
>>19421662
Chaos is non-lineal Wicca for dudes. It isn't bad in itself but the lack of structure makes anyone who isn't knowledgeable of and super capable with some established frameworks look like an idiot. I like to compare it to someone who taught hismelf some shit and looks like a fool trying to explain his hot new idea that's been the paradigm for 1500 years versus someone who taught himself some shit and can shitpost on an academic level with the other assholes.

>>19421672
Ah, I see what you mean.
That's a good point. "Belief is a tool" doesn't do much good without a well stocked library of beliefs, systems, paradigms, and folklore.

>>19421662
Eh not sure how up to date I am on this, but
>DUDEWEEDBROLMAO
>(draws 'sigil' poorly using English alphabet, removing vowels and repeating letters, on notebook paper. Jizzes on it)
>(this is the only type of sigil anon knows. this is the only charging method anon uses)
>Taking acid and cosplaying is *totally* ritual if I bee-leeve it is!
>Dudelmao you're actually reading grimoires and Crowley and sheeit? haha whatasucker ha.
>("you know even Carroll said to attain in a workable system befo-")
>Dudebro none of that matters it's just GUIDElines. It's CHAOS, maannn...
>(Uhh, t-that's not how Chao-)
>There are no rules dudemanbro lmao
&c.

I want to do magic with ease and commodity, what should I learn?

>>19421519
>LAM can't be a gray alien and a Demon at the same time
How new are you?

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>>19421694
>magic
>easy or quick
That being said, as many different systems as possible, along with the Master Key imho.

>>19420226
It's a collection of various exercises that you can't really classify without triggering a storm of autism from "ritual magickicamns".

might as well just keep calling it Hermetic

>>19421666
>Is it this solar eclipse
yep, thanks

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>>19419609
>niburu the misunderstanding

I mean throwback to 2012 but I think it's a comet or something. That was my crazy ex's theory

Also googling that just now made me realize two fucking comets whizzed by us last vernal equinox? Huh.

>>19420456
Gematria says 316, sounds sketchy lol.

Got any more information? Google yielded absolutely fuck all. Also why don't you do it, instead of me

>>19419609
>As far as I can tell Nibiru is just a misunderstanding regarding ancient astrology and how in many systems they would have "planets" that aren't really planets eg:

Nibiru is the result of Zecharia Stitchin's fanciful and false translations.

>>19421699
>implying LAM is either an alien or demon
"No."

>>19421744
Ok, retard.

I suppose if you see a spooky alien shit on the astral it's not actually an alien either.

>>19421678
There's also the whole thing about needing to know the rules to be able to meaningfully break them that comes up right about now in this discussion. Instead I'll just move this forward and get closer to a conclusion.

Most of us are chaos magicians to some degree, but don't want to admit it or don't accept the full paradigm for various reasons. Or you do and spend a period in chaos and come out with a new system. Or you put garbage in and come out with more garbage. Like punk, I think you can maintain the core ethos in part, but the lifestyle and philosophy are untenable due to not being appropriate when conditions change and an overall lack of focus.

>>19421768
If you mean 'most of us are syncretising systems to a greater or lesser extent,' I absolutely agree.

>>19421772
That and we assume that such syncretism is possible and that aspects of ritual can be modified or removed for different/better results. AO Spare also underpins a lot of current occult theory. I could take it further than that, but I'll stop at "most of us are chaos magicians when it is convenient".

>>19421768
>not being appropriate when conditions change
Isn't the point of being able to swap out or syncretize paradigms at will? To maintain adaptability in the face of changing conditions?

>>19421793
Amen to that. I'm a Discordian Transgressive Thelemite Wytch Hoodoo. And I HATE labels!

>>19421794
Chaos philosophy works when overcoming a rigid Order that is stagnant and broken and is full of valuable heuristics for making Order from Chaos, but isn't well-suited to the middle ground. It's nice to have around, but undermines a balanced, functioning system. Same with the fluid lifestyle that comes with it. We need stability and goals and only the core ethos is useful at obtaining those things outside of the extremes and the rest is anti-ethical to it.

So I recently, *finally* learned the 'correct' way to make the sign of the Sun and Moon Conjoined. Is there anything in the A.'.A.'. or O.T.O. publications that provide this info? I was unable to find it for some time.

>>19421830
Maybe we're using different definitions of "chaos".
I fail to see how the core tenets of "chaos" magic aren't suited to middle ground, or how they're mutually exclusive to stability and goals.

>>19421833
>So I recently, *finally* learned the 'correct' way to make the sign of the Sun and Moon Conjoined
How about you stop LARP'ing and go meditate?

>>19421850
>implying I don't meditate
>or work all 8 limbs of yoga for that matter
>implying ritual is not yoga
>"My BS is serious! Other peoples' BS that doesn't line up with my BS is LARP!"
>exposing blatant retardation
>&c.

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My first sigil, let's see if it werks.

>>19421860
>falling for the 8 limbs of Yoga meme
>thinking LARP'ing is Yoga
>being so assmad at a blatant shitpost
Clearly, meditation is not working out for you. Maybe you need some actual spirituality in place of victorian occult-themed theater.

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>>19420456
I'm vaguely interested in this provided I can obtaiin a sigil. Do you have more information about the entity?

>>19421860
>>19421830

whatcha talking about? I know Crowley's mark is sometimes called this, but what do you mean the 'correct' way

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>>19421892
tagged the wrong human...take 2

>>19421833

>>19421885
>assmad
Man, this thread must be setting some kind of record for 'number of people ascribing unconventional meanings to words based on their feelies.' And, of the thread generally, a record for "number of people [TRIGGERED] by (insert name of system anon personally finds distasteful)."

>>19421892
Like, in ritual. Liber Samekh and Reguli both utilize it. Tracing it in the air, like you would a pentagram or hexagram.

Has anyone else here worked Michael Bertiaux's Voudon Gnostic Workbook?

>>19421904
Welcome to /omg/.

>>19420485
This exegesis is very Golden Dawn esque

>>19421913
OH you said "the sign of" and I thought you had like a gesture or something. What's the 'correct' version of the symbol, iyo?

>>19421932
Well, it's a gesture insofar as it's traced by the wand. Starting about level with the face, in the center of what will be the lemniscate, counter-clockwise until the lines intersect, then clockwise completing the figure. Then start a crescent (with 'opening' facing upwards) above it, starting at the top left and tracing it down so the bottom line connects with the lemniscate at the center/bottom of the bottom line of the crescent, then complete the crescent by carrying that back to the left and joining it to the starting point. From there, continue clockwise in a circle, aligning the bottom portion of the circle with the bottom portion of the crescent. Finally, point the wand in the center of the circle to create a point.

Sorry if it's not super clear. It's been a while since I've done any technical writing. And as far as I can tell this is universal, but may just be for invoking. The only Rites I know it to be used in are invocations.

I was eliminated at the last step for getting the job I wanted. I was told my application was added to their database and I would be contacted if there was any jobs suitable for me at their company. I got a generic "Sorry, no job, good luck tho" reply before when I applied them a year ago. I also applied for 2 positions at this same company. Only one of them got that "we added you to our database" answer


However, they are still taking applicants. I think it is because they still have plenty of time to gather up some applications. I have the feeling they will pick someone during September


Which magic I can use to get this job? It is a well-known major company.

I have to get a job by the end of September. I need to find a job that pays above average. How to attract that job at said company. Or at how to attract a job that pays more $ than usual?

What should I do? Summon Bune?

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>>19421833
>sign of the Sun and Moon Conjoined
>>19421913
The "Mark of the Beast" is definitely a blind in Samekh, and possibly a blind in Reguli, though most likely not.

Does anyone have any insight on all the cases of alleged gnomes cropping up primarily South America? The recent video from the Sun is hard to believe for many reasons, not the least of which being they are well known hoaxers. But there have been stories about things like these for ages. Does anyone think ANY of the videos on YT are real? Are gnomes (suspending our disbelief, as always) even capable of showing up on film?

>>19422007
A blind for...?
And how am I getting sun/moon and mark of beast mixed up? I R cornfused.

>>19421712
You should get their chart done, like within a year of the birth, simply because every astrologer and their mom is thinking really hard about the nature of this solar eclipse right now. You may as well benefit.

>>19421971
I had to google "lemniscate" but you explained it perfectly. Cool way to draw the shape at any rate, regardless of ritual.

>>19422007
>>19422018
This is interesting and you have aroused my investigative spirit. Anywhere I can read more about this?

>>19422018
"Mark of the Beast" is all it says in Samekh.
The initiations of the A.'.A.'. use an entirely different Beastmark; a simple circle with an X through it ( ) .

This is because of NOX.
LVX is the "Formula of the Cross" as the Cross contains all letters of LVX. The circle'd cross contains all letters of NOX.

>>19422042
Ah, Ok. And what do ya reckon it's a blind for? Or is that something you can't say? Perhaps you can gently imply it?

>>19422042
>>19422052
Oh wait, I think you may have already implied it in your post, did you not?

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>>19422042
>X through it ( )
Fucking unicode.

http://linguaphiles.livejournal.com/1675940.html

>>19422042
What's the deal with the NOX signs being given in different orders? And the grade attributions seeming to differ (i.e. I have seen Vir attributed to 7=4 and 8=3)?

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>>19422055
>>19422052
See the fucking image in Crowley's hand:
>>19422007
"Mark (X) of the Best"

Circle with an X.

See the sigil at the top of the Seal of Babalon.

>>19422066
>tfw you have seen something a thousand and one times, and your superficial conception of it is busted on the thousand and second time

>>19422064
(sorry if someone answered this in a previous thread, I didn't see it) What I mean is, for Reguli, Star Ruby, and Star Sapphire, they are given in different orders (if memory serves) that don't appear to make sense when you analyze their respective attributions on the Tree.

>>19422062
That's cool that that pic contains both versions of the sign. Crowley's sign of the conjoined sun and the moon is also called "conjoined sun and moon with two witnesses," which is kind of fun and quadriga-y

>>19422075
iktfb

The importance Chumbley places on the Signs of the Crossroads (Beastmark and inverted tau in triangle) was my first clue that these rites were directly informed by DEEP work in the A.'.A.'., as the tau in triangle is the form of the Temple of A.'.A.'. initiation, and the Beastmark is proof of your admission to Cadaveris/ThROA.

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>>19422085
A lot of it is behind the scenes.

Creativity and some graph paper shows that each rite in these simple banishing series from Levi to Crowley is meant to tag any number of four different astrological signs

>>19422006
TLDR I want a particular job but I am also good with any good paying job

I think I will try my chances with Pluto instead of Goetian entities

>>19422098
Interdasting. I read an article someone wrote about the "true" order of NOX signs, saying it was:
Puer, Vir, Puella, Mulier, Mater Triumphans, because that order=ascending the Tree in logical order. I think the guy's assertion was that this is the order that all Thelemic rites should be standardized to, and that other orders given were either blinds or errors or something like that.

>>19422111
The "true" order depends on when, where, how, and why they're used.

The "standard" of initiation is given in Liber Aleph and the 5th Degree OTO where the NOX signs become a substitute for LVX via an inversion of the IAO formula.

>O, the Sign of Orus
>A, the Dance of Asi
>I, the Joy of Iaccus
>The Sign of the Blazing Star

>>19422124
>sign of the blazing star
Is Mater Triumphans, right?

>>19422124
When one "gives" the signs of NOX, what kind of oration is given? Does it just depend on which rite they're utilized in? I ask because the LVX signs are typically given and analyzed the same way each time, and I'm basing my understanding of NOX on my understanding of LVX, as a 'progression' of same.

>>19422128
That's my meager understanding (no 5th will confirm my configuration, but I've been told by an A.'.A.'. head that I'm "very close" and that moreover my configuration is equal to theirs before reaching that degree), but there may well be a deeper mystery at work here: V.V.V.V.V. .... how many points are on a pentagram? Five. How many Vs are in Crowley's MT motto? Five.

>>19422142
Depends on your understanding and reason for use. I'd default to either "up the tree" or "what the 5th config is".

>question:
I keep seeing these white blurry mist around my apartment. Sometimes I see a quick spark flying around with white bit blue of color. This is nothing new but I'm interested about this phenomenon since IDS HABBBBENINGGGG more often.

>INBF4
Shadow people... No. Not them. I'm guessing these are somewhat counterparts of those shadow-black-figures.

Any 1?

>>19422163
>white blurry mists with blue sparks
Does it take on any particular pattern(s)?

>>19422163
>Sometimes I see a quick spark flying around with white bit blue of color.

Make sure you copy/paste the link to get to the correct times. Then go back and watch the whole thing.

https://youtu.be/lM_UChzVNcQ?t=1519

https://youtu.be/lM_UChzVNcQ?t=5013

>>19421641
>Can anyone tell me why people like Grant Morrison and Phil Hine are mostly considered tools?

Morrison, yes, but Hine? Hine wrote some really good shit.

>>19421768
>There's also the whole thing about needing to know the rules to be able to meaningfully break them that comes up right about now in this discussion. Instead I'll just move this forward and get closer to a conclusion.

This is true.

>Most of us are chaos magicians to some degree

This is also true.

>>19422162
What are the various orations that align with the different NOX configurations, or where can I look for them? I have seen the one you gave above, but then Thelemapedia, in its descriptions of the signs seems to indicate there are multiple ways of 'verbally expressing' the signs as you give them?

http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Ritual_signs
Thank you, a lot, for discussing this with me.

>>19422162
>how many Vs? 5
>understanding of word of the equinox intensifies
My first email to you on that was wrong and bad btw. I got confused about something real dumb

>>19422198
>Can anyone tell me why people like Grant Morrison and Phil Hine are mostly considered tools? Those are two cats I don't know a lot about.
>"Morrison, yes, but Hine? Hine wrote some really good shit."
>Those are two cats I don't know a lot about.

>>19422209
I dunno why anyone would consider Hine a tool.
He's completely abandoned Chaos for Trika.

>>19422214

That might be why.

>>19422225
>tfw Chaotes get triggered that a founder of their current has moved on to a real actual system of historical mysticism.

What's more fragile, chaote identity or male identity?

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>>19422236
(pic infinitely related)

>>19422236
see>>19421672
Chaos is non-lineal Wicca for [straight-ish] dudes.

>>19422236
>dualism
Excuse me while I get this tumor excised.

>>19422252
Fine.
We'll add Kekites as a third option.

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>>19422243
but is it man sized

>>19422264
But there must be a Fourth Way(tm)!

>>19422267
omfg my sides have crossed the Abyss.