/omg/ - Occultism and Magick General

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Necronomicon is real

>>19408652
In the same way Don Juan is 'real'.

>>19408652
>Necronomicon is real
AMEN

>>19408699
Did you find your spot on the porch yet?

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>>19408728

>>19408739

can you post a link to the full set of these?

>>19408652
>>19408720
"No."
https://www.amazon.com/Necronomicon-Files-Truth-Behind-Legend/dp/1578632692

Buy it, read it, refute it.

ALSO, the Tysonomicon proclaims that the ""REAL"" Necronomicon is in both Sloane Additional Manuscript 36674, and Sloane 3189.

Luckily, I have BOTH of those in my Sloane MSS folder. Neither contain anything remotely resembling the Necronomicon.

If that still doesn't convince you the British Library may be contacted at:

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>>19408804
Agreed. It's about as authentic as "The Lesser Keys of Solomon".

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Where's the anon who said neurotheology was a pseudoscience, come back, I want someone to make fun of tooo

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Just popping in to say thankyou to based Ape of !Th0th for compiling and sharing the library. It is a great resource and I am currently eagerly consuming and digesting its content. The neo-druidic stuff and the Chumbley was especially pleasing to find.

Kudos Adeptus. Your efforts are much appreciated.

Just my curiosity, but is there even a shred of evidence for Advaita beyond "muh feelz"? How do you justify denying hierarchy?

>>19408822
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Except the "lesser keys/lemegeton" DOES have manuscripts in SMSSA 36674.

>>19408832
You sound like you're a retard so I hope no one answers your question. You could go read a book but that sounds too hard for a vaishnav.

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Are there any Native American Magicks i could learn that don't involve building a pyramid and throwing peoples heads off of it? mainly interested in mexico and down, not USA injuns.

>>19408902
You can stalk people through the jungle in the skin of a jaguar, poison them, eat their flesh and keep their bones in your cave.

>>19408874
>closed-minded shaivite prefers feel-good fiction to reality
Newsflash: Atman != Brahman. Your soul is mortal and will die while I embrace Samsara and live forever as an ever-incarnating being.

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Happy Lugnasad + full moon eclipse /omg/

Best of luck to your Work today

>>19408926
>wanting to live forever in this hellhole of samsara
>ignoring the central teaching of both Buddhism and the Upanishads (and all legitimate offshoots of those)
What a dumb nigger

>>19408947
>this hellhole of samsara
Dude, you can't lust over and fuck beautiful women if you attain "moksha" (which is just delusion in reality, because Atman != Brahman).
And you can interpret the Upanishads in 100 different ways, so fuck off. Even ancient Rishis would argue nonstop over the nature of reality, just like we do today.

>>19408961
>moksha
>not Mukti

Everyone point and laugh at the exoteric pleb.

>>19408961
You're not a rishi, you're a dumb nigger on 4chan talking about how you want live forever and fuck hot women instead of achieving moksha. You're more ignorant than normies, and what you practice is a disgusting hedonistic """philosophy""", not anything related to authentic Hinduism. You're more retarded than regular vaishnavs, which are 60iq to begin with. You should pat yourself on the back, it takes a lot of effort to be more retarded than regular vaishnavs. Enjoy samsara, slave.

>>19408969
>liberation
>not a slightly different word for liberation
Good one.

>>19408972
>not enjoying Maya's sweet embrace

>>19408936
aww sheit, that's today?
Fuck.
Thanks for the reminder.

>>19408972
You can make any statement on the nature of reality and find an active school that supports it in Hinduism.

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>>19408972
>what you practice is a disgusting hedonistic """philosophy""
You sounds like templarper on /pol/ now.

Like I said, your soul will rot as you seek your false liberation, while I enjoy the fruits of life. The Demiurge is clearly a benevolent being if he fills the world with such beauty, but you deny yourself this pleasure because of delusion.

>>19408972
Nothing anon has said implies Vaishnava philosophy. Why do you keep applying this label? Are you simply using it as a pejorative?

>>19408992
>>>/Krsnha and Viashfag general/
Get.
Out.
REEEEEEEEEEEE.

>>19408991
You're literally retarded. What's it like to pretend that time and entropy don't exist? All your pleasures are fleeting and all your fruit will rot. Don't take our word for it though, please continue your lifestyle and report back

>>19408983
agrarian calendar Lammas was the 1st but I'm an astrologer not a farmer...the sun is at 15 degrees Leo today

>>19408999
Fruit is sweetest when it's just begun to turn, speaking of midsummer

>>19408998
Unseemly of you, Ape. And not an answer. You've been all over these past months. Popping up to troll FE threads and the like. Is everything OK? I feel you've lost some of your calm.

>>19409006
Close enough, with the moon and all.
I just lose track of time occasionally.

>>19408999
>I reply with joy in my heart
>ass-torn Advaita cultist reees every post
This is so revealing. You're like that autistic sperg in the back of class raging while everybody else embraces the joys of life.

>>19408998
>REEEEEEEEEEEE.
How. Fucking. Dare. You.
You are not worthy to use the cry of the Frog, do not for a single second pretend you are.

>>19409009
>And not an answer
>implying I gave one instead of directly telling you to fuck off from my thread

Vaishfags and Krsnacultists are literally the only people I've ever seen more belligerently evangelical than Christfags.

>>19409009
What in Vaishavism has any actual spiritual value? Every one I've ever met has been a "blissed out" zombie which seems vaguely pleasant but also seems like a trap of delusion

>>19409013
>Close enough, with the moon and all.
>I just lose track of time occasionally.

I mean it's better than close enough, if you're using astrological time rather than agrarian tradition. The 8 sabbats occur at 0 degrees of the cardinal signs and 15 degrees of the fixed signs (of which Leo is one).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvWCnqY-GWQ

>>19408991
>The Demiurge is clearly a benevolent being
stopped reading right there. only two possibilities are presented: youre either memeing, or youre serious. either way, interacting with you is a mistake.

>>19409023
You too can be Enlightened by your own Euphoria like this fine beacon of Light, Life, Love, and Liberty:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgc4CvwjyOE

>>19409023
blissed out zombie...sounds about right. poor bastards got super indoctrinated. but at the same time theyre the worst and i feel no pity for them.

>>19408992
who else REEEs about advaita and shaivites? exactly.

>>19409027
Maybe you should embrace the natural order of things instead of resisting it?

Escape from rebirth is not a false faith in transcendence but a realization of immanence.

>>19409035
Jesus Christ

I have a question vaguely related to this.
What Hindu sub traditions are "Esoteric Hitlerists" like Miguel Serrano drawing from? I always kind of assumed it was Vaishvism because of the messianic impulse and the whole Avatar thing but I'm not actually sure because they sound completely retarded when they talk about Hinduism

>>19409047
>implying that the "natural order of things" that a memester "gnostic" like you talks about is anywhere remotely close to reality
no thanks, id rather not waste time with /fringe/ niggery.

>>19409047
That sounds like ideology to me you delusional cuck. Maybe if you ask the demiurge real nice he will give you cummies

>>19409063
>he will give you cummies
Dude, that doesn't sound too bad.

>>19409035
>fake indian cries out in pain as real Indian lays the truth down
I can already hear the reeeeeee

>>19409058
>What Hindu sub traditions are "Esoteric Hitlerists" like Miguel Serrano drawing from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi
I have no idea, she seems to have not been initiated in any capacity and I cannot find specific reference to whatever lineage she may or may not have repped.

>>19409080
Your death is going to be remarkably unpleasant with all those sanskaras you are intent on building. I appreciate your dedication to not giving a fuck but don't pretend you know anything that others once this thread don't

>>19409080
I poop in the street better than you do

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>>19409080
>Everyone and everything should aspire to love love.
>Except when it comes to filthy rat kikes, because the holocaust didn't happen but it should have :3

Such spiritual.
Many empathic understanding.
Much compassionate.
Wow.

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>>19409097
>something something fear the samurai
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OuRajFzMYI

What do you make of Aaron Cheak, Ape?

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What is OMG's take on EA Koetting? Book of Azazel seemed like 75% LARP with angsty blog tier elements but his sigilization seems solid.
That become a living meth-meme shekel grab 'seminar' shit is pure cringe though.

>>19409129
It's shit. Some of his summoning praxes "work" but those are all based on better sources.

Is it possible for one to evoke a heruka or dharmapala?

What is /OMG/'s opinion on bramacharya? Is obstaining from porn and orgasm beneficial?

>>19409150
It may encourage discipline, finding healthier hobbies and forming meaningful relationships in the chronically spineless.

>>19409022
If you answer the question, I would have left. But I wasn't talking to you before you responded to me in the first place. I hope whatever has disturbed you gets better. The board is worse off with you like this.

>>19409023
Ever-increasing spiritual bliss. You answer your own question.

>>19409044
Those who disagree with advaita and shaivites. What did anon say that makes you think Vaishnava instead of a hater of advaita? If that is all you have, then your answer is that you WERE simply using it as a pejorative.

>>19409267
>Ever-increasing spiritual bliss.
Eww, babby dhyanas.

>>19409267
You even sound like a Christian when you talk. Refined passive agressive pretense is still pretense. Bliss is nice but not the same as ultimate freedom.

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>>19409274
And not a single argument to that wise anon's post. How much more evident can it be that Advaita is a mental disorder?

>>19409293
>not an argument
>using fedora tier cliches when you know you look bad
>laughing boddhisatvas.jpg

>>19409293
You missed the argument. Bliss is just more Maya and nothing to brag about. It isn't freedom. It means he's an addict and it's fruitless to argue with addicts.

>>19409303
I deny your concept of Maya all together. All I know is Adi Sankara is dead and probably non-existent while I am alive and thus free to enjoy the fruits of life in the form of shy Indian qts.

>>19409318
>I ignore things I don't understand or might be unpleasant in favor of earthly joys

Again, more power to you, but don't expect people in this thread to think you are anything more than just another normie

>>19409267
of course i use vaishnav as a pejorative. i barely think you folks are people. youre more like sad little rats. vaishnav arrogance and passive aggression are hilarious, usually because vaishnavs are just superficial ex-christians who think theyve stumbled upon some grand religion. protip, you havent. take the speck of dust out of your eye instead of talking out your ass.

>Advaita and Heterodoxy still slapfighting
>Vamacaras still laughing from the sidelines

How do I let my guard down? How do I just let myself experience things spiritually? I feel like theres always a doubt at the back of my head but i want to completely embrace a practice. Im looking more and more for someone who can teach me a more personalized practice (specifically within Witchcraft) and im just really trying to cross this bridge between my physical experiences and my inner experiences

>>19409346
>vaishnavs are just superficial ex-christians
It IS funny to me that the Vaishnav/Krsnites generally tend to be of the same socioeconomic bracket as Christian evangelicals, whether in India or in the States:
>Upper Low to Lower Middle income
>Lukewarm education
>Desire greater for economic mobility through symbol attachment
>Children of converts, else "born again" in the social sense from cafeteria religion
>Aspiring business owners but can rarely leverage the backing to do so

>>19409346
The best part is that there's probably not a single Vaishnavite, except perhaps Bhakta, in the thread, but you autists still sperg out about it in every post.

>>19409368
Bhakta posts vaishnav stuff all over the board.

>>19409379
Why does such a harmless faith trigger you? If you shaivites are so confident in your delusion, is debate really such a danger?

>>19409379
I post when Vaishnavas or Krishna is brought up. I rarely start a thread, and when I do, it is a GV general. I posted here because anon was saying things that are decidedly not Vaishnava. If the label was being placed as an insult, then it's of no matter to me. If someone actually thought Vaishnav philosophy is to stay forever in the delusion of samsara then I wanted to correct it.

My presumption confirmed, I'll be going. Hare Krishna.

>>19409388
For as long as Vaishnav shopkeeps refuse to sell to anyone with a Tripundra on their forehead, I'll keep telling Vaishnavs they're not welcome ITT.

>>19409388
Would you consider shilling a terrible translation of the Bhagvad Gita harmless? Would you consider innumerable accounts of predatory behavior justified in the name of "universal love" harmless? Would you consider an extremely creepy personality cult harmless? The pretense of harmlessness cannot cover spiritual poison

>>19409388
It's far from harmless. It's full of bigger and more dangerous cults than evangelical christianity. The little good is spread so thin that it's better to just tell them all to fuck off.

>>19409388
>harmless
>"i want to spend a billion more lifetimes here so that i can live in sense pleasure instead of achieving liberation
yeah no
>debate
how do you debate people who move the goalposts every time? and who redefine well-established words and terms to suit their warped views (which automatically makes the real definitions defunct in their eyes)? and who dont care about debate but only proselytism? there can be little debate with those people. it's like trying to debate theology with jehovah's witnesses or mormons or something.

>>19409397
>If someone actually thought Vaishnav philosophy is to stay forever in the delusion of samsara then I wanted to correct it.
You're welcome to make your point.

>>19409402
Also:
For as long as (largely Vaishnav controlled) media outlets in India WIG THE FUCK OUT when they find evidence of Vamacara praxes out by the river, like Christfags wigging out about "satanism", I'll keep telling Vaishnavs they're not welcome ITT.

>>19409424
Vaishavists are literally worse than Muslims in India in terms of getting triggered about other faiths. It's honestly pretty disgusting

I'm tempted to convert to Vaishnavism just for the triggering potential.

>>19409455
>>19409471
Good thing rope is cheap and reusable

>>19409471
Enjoy getting your butthole molested by strange old former hippies

Well since Shaivists are shilling hard as fuck itt, what are some good Shiva mantras? Bonus points for analysis of said mantras

>>19409534
It's an orthodox mantra but w/e, I like it:
Om Tryambakam Yajamahe
Sugandhim Pushtivardhanam
Urvarukamiva Bandhanan
Mrityor Mukshiya Maamritat

We Meditate on the Three-eyed reality
Which permeates and nourishes all like a fragrance.
May we be liberated from death for the sake of immortality,
Even as the cucumber is severed from bondage to the creeper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UehA0qeqXUI

Individual mantras like this don't mean a whole lot though outside of Puja or initiatory instruction.

>>19409542
>Individual mantras like this don't mean a whole lot though outside of Puja or initiatory instruction.

I don't know shit about Hinduism, what do you mean? How does one use a mantra?

>>19409551
Without saying that vibration is the foundation of reality, mantras are like the melodic and thematic elements that make up a raga. They move the mind in certain ways and when used in certain combinations in the context of a greater ritual, the tree bears fruits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxuGYAVbMwc

>>19409596
Whoa. So how do you develop the ability to vibrate in the proper way to resonate with the force youre trying to invoke?

>>19409596
>in the context of a greater ritual
^This.
Pujas are huge.
One Dhyana mantra could help you focus on a godform but the Puja evokes the godform for veneration

>>19409617
"Vibration" is a thing but a proper translation of Spandakarikas or Anandalahare indicates the doctrines of vibration aren't about sound and breath, but the, um, metaphorical throbbing between heartbeats. The give and take of worship, and the trembling webs of time and space which make up our reality.

In the context of Tantra, a proper "vibration" is important but almost takes a backseat to more complex concerns such as construction.

>>19409623
So how do I Puja? Like if I wanted to do an intro to Shiva puja for instance

>>19409617
You vibrate in the proper way to order a number two with a large fry and you vibrate in the proper way to shitpost. These are the subtle vibrations of the mind and soul. Also >>19409623

>>19409623
>but the, um, metaphorical throbbing between heartbeats.

Like a pebble being dropped into water only to have it ripple back to the center? I'm thinking about bloodflow between heartbeats here.

>>19409618
What poonigger godform is even worthy of memorizing a puja for?

>>19409642
>godform
We're dealing in Absolutes. Well, the Absolute.

>>19409640
Yes that's a good example, if still a bit "material" for the tantrik interpretations of "vibration" doctrines.

>>19409636
The way OUT is the way THROUGH.

Start with the Kalipujas I have in my Eastern folder. They're fucking gigantic. The good news is you can clip certain bits (only experience can tell you what can get neutered) and most emphatically do not need the fully illustrated temple setup (but will need food, water, colored powders, and a table for the yantra/vessel/food, etc.).

>>19409642
>>19409657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ_m7tgPcf4

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>>19409149
pls respond

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>>19409679
Yes.

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>>19409699
Are these very esoteric practices or is there literature online available on it?

>>19409710
There are 3 or 4 very clear books in the vajrayana folder on becoming Heruka.

>>19409129
His videos might seem a bit sensationalist but sadly you have to know your market and 90% of the occult community is delusional larpers. EA knows this and that's why he is a genius marketer. It's just a persona to get subs and views. If you actually get his books they are pretty solid in their construction and pretty meaty in their content. He's a rebrander. I mean you COULD look up 20 different books on the subject on your own, wasting valuable time, or you can just get his books which generally winnow out the chaff and leave you with the no nonsense bits you need for practical results.

>>19409722
Nobody is buying your shit mr Koetting. And lay off the Meth.

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>>19409710
Have you bothered to try my library?
Or google?

>>19409735
>>19409722
https://youtu.be/xgQv05_XmaU

>that face he makes when he tries not to cry real hard about the thing he did to himself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyobUDIA-QM

>>19409735
>>19409735
Name me another occultist who has 50k+ subs on youtube. His success speaks for himself. You may disagree with his marketing approach but you probably couldn't sell your way out of a paper bag. At least it gets the word out. Lovecraft had to write for shitty pulp magazines to make a living. Everyone's got to earn a crust bro.

>>19409738
I haven't found anything in the library that specifically says evocation. I imagine the methods are in the Kalachakra or the Hevajra tantra or something? Google led me to Lamdre.

>>19409355

Fake it until you make it. Imitate until you emulate. Don't talk about it to others until the novelty has worn off and you now do it out of belief instead of interest

>>19409764
>50k+ subs on youtube
>implying that fucking matters
The Styx (not an endorsement) has 140k.

The living meme has MORE subs than the Living God.

>>19409768
Start with Becoming Vajrasattva. If that isn't evocation, I don't know what is.

>>19409751
Alex Jones has millions of subs and even runs a successful buisness which he makes millions off of. Does that make him more of a "living god" than E.A Koetting?

>>19409792
Is money your god? Then yes.

>>19409809
Time is money and Time is a god.

>>19409779
Is this in the library? I can't find it.

>>19409825
I thought it was. If not check libgen, I believe it was by Thubten Yeshe.

>>19409830
>>19409825
I'm also severely backlogged on Vajrayana updates, and may sorta continue to be for a minute, unless other scans start dropping.

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>>19409769

Building a castle on sand only ends you up with a collapsed castle. Strip yourself down to bedrock, level everything off, and lay a solid foundation before rebuilding the self is how anyone competent should do it. Advising others to set themselves up for tremendous future failures and/or reconstruction is poor form, friend.

>>19409904
I did both and I turned out fine.
*hits the bowl*

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>mfw I found a meetup for practitioners of Kashmir Shavism and Dzogchen to hang out and talk about consciousness
>mfw its at 8 am on Saturdays

I guess Shiva wants me to be tired as fuck, or at least wake up early

>>19409943
That tiger skin tho. Shit is fly

>>19409943
>meetup
I didn't think there was a serious East Coast presence; are these guys INO?

>>19410040
>INO
I'm not sure what that is. I'm also not sure that these people aren't total bullshit yet. I'm reading some of their stuff right now, feel free to read along and tell me what you think:

http://transmissiononline.org/issue/realms-of-luminosity/section/essays

Is getting tattoos idiotic? I want to let people know how fucked up I am without saying anything.

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So today's tiny mind blowing moment for me has been brought you by Saros series 145 -

I didn't know this but apparently eclipses occur in sequences. The eclipse sequence is "born" at one of the poles of the planet, then over the next 1,300 years, it develops from partial to total as it moves toward the equator, then dwindles back to partial as it ends at the opposite pole. This is sick.

The current Saros family, to which the August 21st eclipse belongs, began in 1639. It'll end at the South Pole in 2991, at which point, Saros family 146 will be born and travel back up to the North Pole.

>>19410060
>tfw want to self-inflict old-old-school charcoal needle dots tatoos
Hey, if it's going to be done, why not do it like the OGs did?

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>>19408902
There's many tribes that still keep all of their rituals, lot's of forgotten magick rituals and preparations down here.

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>>19410071
>Saros series 145 -
https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEsaros/SEsaros145.html

neat

>>19410079
You could book an appointment with these guys https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/pg5qx7/meet-the-tattoo-collective-who-prioritise-pain-over-aesthetics?utm_source=vicefbus

>>19410058
Those are impressive Buddhist empowerments but the Saivism is distinctly Advaita.

>>19410099
can you elaborate? I'm afraid I don't have the education or level of awareness to yet perceive something they say as "wrong"

>>19410099
>>19410105
I found videos of their meetings as well:
https://vimeopro.com/user18234440/professional-seminars/page/1

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>>19410105
There's not enough corpse eating or pic related for Ape.

>>19410105
It's not wrong, I just don't like it:

This is their lineal Saivite empowerment:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dashanami_Sampradaya

Like I said their Vajra empowerments are lit. Mostly in Kagyu and Nyingma, the schools that don't wanna graft your mindstream to an apocalyptic time-collapsing egregore.

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>>19410118
I mean, you're not wrong.

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>>19410121
>farthest north lineal establishment is Uttarakand

that's not "Kashmir Saivism"

I'll probably check them out anyway because I'm not gonna find
>graft your mindstream to an apocalyptic time-collapsing egregore
type schools around here

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>>19408902
I can't speak to the traditions of those southern tribes, but I'd assume there's commonalities across all tribes of men, regardless of language or geographic area.
Most tribes have had a basic distinction between what we now call RHP and LHP. Different groups have had different words, but for now I'll use "medicine man" for RHP and "witch doctor" for LHP.
With the medicine men, they might be a bit secretive, but they'll teach their pupils quite plainly, assuming the pupil has undergone the correct initiation rites.
With the witch doctors though, for the most part it's taboo to even speak of the art. Either you watch the old masters and get it, or you don't, either way fuck you.
No doubt your ancestors also had these types of RHP and LHP traditions. Most tribes don't appear to have made a moral judgment one way or the other. Hey, sometimes we need the nice guy that heals people, and sometimes we need that fucked up guy that wrecks shit. A parallel can be seen in the civil structure of many tribes, wherein their government consists of a "peace chief" and a "war chief"; the peace chief deciding civil matters, and the war chief deciding violent matters.
The point is, the spirits of your ancestors know more about your tribe's magic than I could ever hope to glean.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhcgX1VHsgk

What does /omg/ think of Feng Shui? Is it real? Does it really do anything?

>>19410127
I know you all too well. You can tell they don't ash up and twirl their dingdongs around a trishul in the square and that's boring and boring is the death of advancement.

>>19410140
I'm going to hit up a Bön center either tomorrow or saturday and I live in Bumfuck, VA. Anything is possible.

>>19409904

The only difference between bedrock and sand is time. Everything is shifting sands in the end. You need an idealized form to imitate every time you rebuild. Just pretend to be it until you are it. He who does as the Buddha is the Buddha.

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>>19409149
speaking of Haruka:
http://transmissiononline.org/issue/realms-of-luminosity/article/the-practice-of-dorje-drolo

>>19410157
>Bön center
>Bumfuck, VA

that actually seems about right. There are tons of Bon centers all over the eastern seaboard for whatever reason

>>19410121
>graft your mindstream to an apocalyptic time-collapsing egregore.

am I gonna have to look at "Pale Earth" schools or is that something even more secret?

>>19410201
>Pale Earth
Google "Victor & Victoria Trimondi"

Ignore the blatant PRC propaganda.

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>>19410221
>Victor & Victoria Trimondi

http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm

This looks like quite a rabbit hole

>tantric female fire sacrifice
holy shit

Is this legit? These people cite Evola a lot

There really is no escape from Magical politics is there

>>19410201
Every university worth mentioning is out here and that's where your clientele work. I'm having more trouble figuring out why there's all the Theravada monasteries hidden in the middle of nowhere all along the Appalachian.

>>19410252
6 - Regicide as Lamaism’s Myth of Origin and the Ritual Sacrifice of Tibet

Ritual regicide in the history of Tibet

The Tibetan "scapegoat"

Ritual murder as a current issue among exile Tibetans

The ritual sacrifice of Tibet

Real violence and one’s own imaginings

>>19410252
I didn't link you to that, btw.

Excuse me while I go do penance prostrations.

>Is this legit?
I would recommend only looking at Part 1, Chs 6-9, ten for a WEE bit of historicity. Then Part 2 Chs 6, 7, 10, and 11.

There's a lot of VERY wrong stuff in there that fucked with me for longer than I like admitting. But those chapters clearly lay out why I have zero interest in the Gelug school's teachings.

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>>19410259
>Theravada monasteries hidden in the middle of nowhere all along the Appalachian

I've heard extremely good things about Bhavana Society, someday I'm actually gonna make the trip

>>19410265
>The Tibetan "scapegoat"

Man my Eclipse Working is sure developing quite a theme

>>19410272
>penance prostrations

sorry homie, I don't mean to ask for too much

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMTAkIDRHiA

>>19410288
That's the thing I was gonna send out in mail (pardon still been in the office despite school ending, should send out a mass still to bring Palo in the fold but I do genuinely expect to be sorta quiet through Eclipse).

>Working is sure developing quite a theme
http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Part-1-08.htm#rahu

>>19410303
>>19410288
*sigh*
>In Greek mythology the union of sun (Helios) and moon (Selene) is celebrated as a mystic marriage, as the collapse of opposites. We can also find such statements in the Kalachakra school, but here the Hieros Gamos is a marriage of death, brought about by a terrible existence by the name of Rahu, which we now wish to examine in more detail.

>In Tibetan astronomy and astrology (which are not distinguished from one another) two further planets with the names of Rahu and Ketu are to be found alongside the seven wandering stars (the sun, moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn). Seen from an astronomical point of view we are not dealing with real heavenly bodies here, but rather with the ascendant and descendant lunar nodes, that is, the two points at which the moon’s orbit intersects the ecliptic (the path of the sun). These are also known in the occident as the “dragon’s head” and the “ dragon’s tail”, or together as the “ dragon points”. When, at times which can be determined astronomically, the moon passes through such an orbital node (or syzygy), then an eclipse can occur: when the moon is full a lunar eclipse, and with a new moon a solar eclipse.
>Kalagni and the doomsday mare
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tishtrya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFF8bubMc40

>>19410313
>two further planets with the names of Rahu and Ketu are to be found alongside the seven wandering stars

I got so triggered for two seconds but then read the rest of the sentence

>>19410313
Super Spooky. Kenneth Grant talks about the Typhonian forces igniting an Androgyne fire on the Earth. I feel like he saw some real shit but just didn't have the context or guidance to understand it.

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>>19410345
"what kind of half baked astronomy is this" reeee

>>19410349
>I feel like he saw some real shit but just didn't have the context or guidance to understand it.
He had a copy of Ananda Lahare annotated by UKT practitioners.

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>>19410360
Funny how every occultist I like is somehow involved in Shaivism

Remind me to tell you someday about the time I climbed Arunachala with my sister

>>19410121
>apocalyptic time-collapsing egregore
I think you're referring to kalachakra?

If so, why don't the kagyu versions do this?

>>19410352
Have some wikipedia
>The astrology in the Kālacakra is not like the Western system, in that it employs complicated astronomical calculations to determine, for example, the exact location of the planets.

>>19410527
My understanding is their focus/patron is via Hevajra and Chakrasamvara. It's still the "highest" emanation but not their focus or specialization as it is in the Gelug.

Gelug is gonna try to funnel you into Kalachakra. See how many public empowerments HH has done on Kalachakra. Others schools have a far less "linear" progression where terminal praxis is going to be elsewhere.

>>19410561
Thanks

I need to understand how gods/karma/identity work in tibetan buddhism better, I can't even understand the significance of a claim like the one you're making. Any book recs to that end? I've read some philosophy and some manuals of practice, but i feel like i'm missing the connecting tissue of the sort of mechanics of the worldview, does that make sense?

Oh great and I just got a Call to Arms in the next battle of the Crusade(s).

Toldja war was coming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dGf36QXvNI

>>19410596
Mysterious ass motherfucker

>>19410588
>i'm missing the connecting tissue of the sort of mechanics of the worldview
Four schools, competing worldviews, different foci, and honestly I still barely understand the mechanics of school differences and have yet to find anything that really gives a good understanding of anything more than how they educate, when I'd like to know why.

I imagine a lot of that is caught up in untranslated swaths of the Kangyur (Tibetan "Bible", more like a few bookcases).

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>>19410607
https://youtu.be/QF2g-E7Q7f8

>>19410596
Bro a few eclioses back in this series occurred a month before the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, Saros 145 is not messing around .
https://youtu.be/K6Mwxq2auyU

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>>19408804
>Sloane 3189.
Dammit, I don't have that one. I guess I'd better go looking.

>>19408804
>If that still doesn't convince you the British Library may be contacted at:
But have you contacted Miskatonic University?

>>19408822
Hey now. At least the Keys are older than the Necronomicon.

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>>19410626
Rather, https://youtu.be/XLXp3YsfTsI

>>19410610
It's so tied up in class and politics and local lineages and 1600 year old feuds that you couldn't unravel it even if you knew the doctrinal differences. This is the year I say fuck it and go to the mountain of the wytchfathers, that shit actually makes some sense.

>>19410610
>Four schools, competing worldviews, different foci, and honestly I still barely understand the mechanics of school differences and have yet to find anything that really gives a good understanding of anything more than how they educate, when I'd like to know why.
thanks, likewise, I wish the local kagyu and gelug missionary centers didn't reek of decay and deceit because what i'd really love is some long face to face conversations with folks who've been steeped in their traditions. but now i'm just whining

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>>19410643
>>19410644
https://youtu.be/gbfUWcpnz28

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>>19410651
https://youtu.be/JZGzlTW_QdE

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>>19410655
>Thelemic Jihad

can't forget this one https://youtu.be/80vvKDghEt8

>>19410651
(nods)

but on the other hand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYxa6yX2os

>>19410665
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qL94D6rcKY

>>19410666
>666
owo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnMBI_llODc

>>19410651
What is the bare minimum for "perfect[ing] the Substance and Essence of Thy Being"?

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>>19410666
"A Bitch from Baltimore"

"Desire is the movement of ground of Being’s manifestation. Desire is the ground of Being’s unfolding as the world. Desire is Being manifesting the being-ness of all beings. As Jacque Lacan once said in Baltimore “Desire creates Baltimore.” Dzogchen is the experience of the intertwining of movement and awareness. As Garbe Dorge the ancient Dzogchen master explains there is no difference in being in movement and being in the state of stillness. Desire is the movement of being."

>>19410684
Where's that quote from?

>>19410687
good quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vajhs2wBeCU

good night

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>>19410687
[Fortean Marxism intensifies]

>>19410691
Page 3 of the DBoE. I'm woefully out of practice and unprepared in everything but an encyclopedic knowledge of myth and symbolism and some light witchcraft from back in the day.

>>19410700
For the purposes of that passage, elemental initiation.

GD's Z2 or Pyramidos or ThROA or any other basic Initiation; I imagine even BTW would count but I'd have to go back through their scripts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwtajcvxaQ8

Is the HGA just a patron spirit? Is this what every western "occultist" has been sperging out about over the last millennium?

>>19410709
I was just reading your notes on those today that you typed up for that one homie. Helpful as fuck thanks.

More GWAR in gratitude
https://youtu.be/7v9Fgf_zwbM

>>19410730
Now THAT's a good tune.

Not as good as:
https://youtu.be/ohPeXwJuGqY

(Still blows me away that this quasibootleg single has like 12k plays across all uploads while TTE and Ragnaraok tunes struggle for 1k)

>>19410716
It is an objective view.

>>19410735
Me when people show up shilling for Jesus itt https://youtu.be/7wISu3otRrc

>>19410756
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acwJx65RU_w

>>19410762
>>19410756
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYXwcsqEVPU

>>19410762
https://youtu.be/Jq-6KxZG8oE

>>19410776
you know he majored in antropology as an undergrad?

>>19410776
That's a fucking good song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_122Tx8xmg

>>19410791
His dissertation looks awful lel.

>>19410795
https://youtu.be/TzU1PjYr0DA

>>19410791
I just looked at that on wiki like "why did you write this." You're studying zoology stop trying to shoehorn your fucking kooky west coast worldview into evolutionary biology that isn't how you do science. he's thankfully chosen a career being the frontman of Bad religion and not furthe

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>>19410810
...ring his careeer as an academic. https://youtu.be/oljetElg8Pc

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>>19410641
>mfw Holy War

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqDkW6xhseM

>>19410910
http://sino-platonic.org/complete/spp253_ancient_egyptian_constellations.pdf

>>19410920
>Draco as Libra

I dont... what

>>19410944
Upper v. Lower, mate.

Goddamnit, Joel.

>>19410948
This paper is awesome, there's a lot to internalize

>the Ma'at feather on Draco
>Sirius being called "Thorn"
>Horus associated with Sagittarius
>>19410961
now you're gonna have to share with the class

>>19410964
Also casseopia as the throne of Horus is kinda beautiful.

>>19410920
Please do not be posting interesting astrological shit when I should be doing Work.

>>19410964
>>19410991
http://classiques.uqac.ca/classiques/groot_jjm_de/religious_system_of_china/volume_5/groot_religious5.pdf

>>19410964
>now you're gonna have to share with the class
https://www.biroco.com/yijing/ku.pdf
https://www.amazon.com/Sinister-Way-Demonic-Chinese-Religious/dp/0520234081

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>>19409551
You recite it, all the time, mentally, with fervent devotion toward your personal deity. The more the mantra means to you, the more passionate you are about your personal deity, the better results you will get.
However, what makes a mantra is tick is the knowledge of the meaning hidden in it. Mantra, especially seed mantras of different gods, are viewed in Hindu traditions as gods, therefore knowing a mantra means accessing to power of the god it represents. Abhinavagupta expressed it by saying that the letters of the Sanskrit alphabet - called matrka - represent different forces of Shiva that create and maintain and destroy the world through different combinations.
That's the main reason why tantras were considered secret - not because of the sexual or transgressive rites, but because of the mantras and the power they held. The writers and gurus believed that if the wrong person gained access to them, he could wreak havoc on himself and others. Furthermore, the mantras were believed to work because the guru - who represented the highest deity in the particular cult - imbued it with his power during initiation rites.
>>19410588

Introducing Tibetan Buddhism – Geoffrey Samuel

Indo-Tibetan Buddhism – David Snellgrove

The Religions Of Tibet – Giuseppe Tucci

Introduction To Tibetan Buddhism – John Powers

>>19411037
>matrka
Also, malini.

>>19411023

You got any good augery-style texts in your bag of tricks? My animal symbols are getting decent but building my own symbol set is kind of slow going and I'd love an infusion from a preexisting tradition of symbolic interpretation that isn't just sheer internet fluff and/or bright-eyed crystal healers vaguely gesturing in he direction of a diffuse "ancient shamanism" for their sources

>>19411037
>the guru - who represented the highest deity in the particular cult - imbued it with his power during initiation rites.
Sounds like bullshit thought up to empower some faggot guru.

>>19411163
If you didn't realize it by now every 'guru' is just someone trying to get laid.

>>19411170
I wasn't aware Hindu culture valued boipucci that much.

man these threads are so boring with constant eastern shit and nothing but muh books muh history muh this type of yoga or hindu sect over yours

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>>19411353
At this point every other topic has been exhausted not much else to do.

>>19411353
>constant eastern shit
A concise summation of the real problem right here.

"Do you want to know a secret? It is a secret that has been kept intact for centuries, but it is of supreme importance, actually indispensable for understanding the real essence of Christianity and the hidden development of Western culture. It can give you the key to penetrating the core of all religious traditions in the world. Here it is: during the Last Supper, it is not bread and wine that Jesus Christ gave to the apostles as symbols of his body and of his blood. What Jesus really offered on that occasion, which was to become the model for the central ceremony of Christianity for centuries to come, was his sperm. Since then the practice of spermatophagy (literally, the eating of sperm) has been the central, albeit hidden ritual practice of the Catholic priesthood. But references to this practice can also be found in all the religious traditions of the world.

What I have just described is, in a nutshell, the thesis that a Belgian spiritualist, the Chevalier Georges Le Clément de Saint-Marcq
(1865–1956), presented to the world in a pamphlet first published in 1906, L’Eucharistie. Is it possible to think of anything more scandalous, outrageous, indeed bewildering for the average Christian believer, whatever his or her denomination? Yet Le Clément de Saint-Marcq was intimately convinced that he had discovered a truth of supreme importance for the progress and the welfare of humanity, and that it was his duty to spread it as widely as possible, using all the resources that his intelligence and his personal fortune could offer him. This he did,
stubbornly and tirelessly, over a period that spanned most of his adult life. He had to pay a high price for it, but his unwavering, if eccentric,
commitment has made him one of the most enigmatic figures in the history of modern Western esotericism."

Is he /ourguy/?

>>19411360
>every other topic has been exhausted
No, simply put every thread has been like this.

Since there isn't any magic nor occultism going on, we are entertained with yoga classes.

>>19411361
>Implying a lot of what constitutes "occultism" isn't largely based on Vedic ideas

>>19411408
>Implying almost everything "eastern" we talked about isn't also "occult"

Are there any good magic/occult you tubers to watch?

>tfw, got the black brick and it feels uninteresting as fuck, it's not even interesting bullshit as far as bullshit goes.
>Also read Michael Kelly's Draconian Trilogy, Asenath Mason's Draconian Ritual book and I feel like I could get into somethng more interesting too.

I dunno, man, traditional witchcraft seems like a legit next step, but also enochian and I'm not sure about either. I'd like to learn about crowley's stuff, but I don't want to download books because I do what internally feels right to me and everyone I have asked has been a cunt and has told me they are not recruiters.

>>19411581
I would not start with the Black Brick, even if you are interested in the Golden Dawn. Other Regardie books are better places to start. One year manual is a very simple way to develop occult skills

In terms of Draconian stuff you're gonna wanna look at Chumbley

As for Crowley liber ABA is the classic place to start

All these recommendations depend on your level of advancement

Is this total bullshit or no?

http://itsallintheegg.blogspot.com/2013/08/dragon-blood.html

>>19410151

It's for properly siting tombs. Other uses developed in imitation of that.

>>19411033
>https://www.biroco.com/yijing/ku.pdf

Kewl.

The Dirge's beef with Daoism is that, in practice, it was a bunch of anti-social sorcerers conjuring demons and waging magical war against each other. Joel found that shallow and offensive, yet here we are.

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>>19412094
>it was a bunch of anti-social sorcerers conjuring demons and waging magical war against each other
I fail to see the problem here, but then I know a thing or two about the chinese.

>>19412120

Pot calling the kettle black, too.

Is Liber 777 pretty accurate?

>>19412178

Yeah, though I'd prefer the word, "useful", to "accurate". There's an update in, The Book of Thoth.

I tend to look to Agrippa, first.

Is there an open-minded occultist Discord that I can join?

>>19412286
No. Discord is a massive timesink and circlejerk of exclusivity and I can say with confidence that anyone with that kind of time on their hands has nothing of value to say because they do nothing of value. I have about 10 other reasons discord is shit, but they're mostly self-evident and figuring out what they are is part of the fun.

>>19412286
https://discord.gg/CtRJb2J

Which Buddhist school do you guys recommend?

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>>19408822
>>19408850
>lesser keys/lemegeton" DOES have manuscripts in SMSSA 36674
okay, but what about the 6th and 7th books of moses? is it safe to say the the nomicon is as real as the books of moses?

>>19408804
>can BTFO any modicum of hope that the necronomicon is real
>can't explain why evoking the name of God/jesus/yhwh/jehova is so powerful

what kind of game are you playing here, ape?

>>19411407
>spermatophagy (literally, the eating of sperm) has been the central, albeit hidden ritual practice of the Catholic priesthood
Then why aren't homos all enlightened?

>>19412355
You don't see very many of us getting married.

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>>19412187
I need to actually sit the heck down with Agrippa for like a solid week, put everything else I'm reading on pause and just go hard at it for a while.

Why is every occultist I'm remotely orbiting right now a Virgo? Chumbley, Ebony, Agrippa.

>>19412355
as Br. 2 Chainz says, if your girl don't swallow kids, man, that ho basic. He's tryin to light the way out of basicness into heddy enlightenment by revealing the mysteries of spermatophagy. Bless, 2 Chainz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI0gk2KJeho

>>19412094
>yet here we are.
Same with Grant's claims about Ku, Ophidian Cults, and Essex covens.

Everyone's too eager to throw out the hog with the wash.

>>19412382
>Why is every occultist I'm remotely orbiting right now a Virgo?
In some sense, because they were not sane.

>>19412390
"OUTTA MY WAY VIRGO FUCKING SHITS"
>~t. leo

>>19412413
You ever taken a ride with a virgo; libra rising? They are the crazy ex girlfriends of the world.

>>19412390
Not sure what you mean

I will say that the right Virgo has the ability to channel obsession particularly productively. As like a mercurially-ruled sign of earth, I guess it makes sense to that they have the mental capacity to conceive of a large-scale, material-world rooted system of magick, which all three of those people share. Mercury in Earth makes a ton of sense for that.

>>19412413
"y'all wanna buy some balanced union of opposites"
>~t. libra (aleister crowley)

>>19412432
Virgo has very extreme reactions with the ascendant. Throw it together with libra and you have an unbalanced emotional rollercoaster that runs on vague feels. Scorpio rising and you have a different cluster B personality disorder. It's only with the right counterposition that they are able to channel that nature productively.

>>19412358
>>19412382
Memes aside, does harvesting cum out of meat rods really grant you magickal powers?

>>19412346
You're a special kind of retard, huh?

Sixth and Seventh Books are in Sloane 3847 and 3853 and Additional 15299. For English translations see Sloane 3846 and 3826.

There's a difference between pseudepigrapha and making up a plot device for your spooky scifi story from whole cloth.

>>can't explain why evoking the name of God/jesus/yhwh/jehova is so powerful
Shin's decent of spirit into Matter (YHVH -> Shin -> YHShVH).
But you still keep insisting it UNIVERSALLY stops all "spiritual" encounters with the entire weight of a whole Christfag's YT vid as proof.

>>19412382
>Why is every occultist I'm remotely orbiting right now a Virgo? Chumbley, Ebony, Agrippa.

Grubby little gnomes.
>~t sag

>>19412450

It could, if dedicated to that purpose.

>>19412467
>Shin's decent of spirit into Matter (YHVH -> Shin -> YHShVH).
Does that mean that certain formulas have inherent power and don't rely on a faggot guru to "empower" them for you like >>19411037 implies?

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>>19412478
>Grubby little gnomes.
VIRGOS BTFO
SCORPIOS BTFO

Someone pet me while I take a nap :3

>>19412484
>don't rely on a faggot guru to "empower" them for you like >>19411037 implies?

You know there's parts of Buddhism that don't require a guru for practice right?

>>19412493
>93
I bet he doesn't even know that Kramakali mantras don't require initiation.

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>>19412478
>hey kid, wanna see the world?

>>19412493
I'm trying to understand the nature of reality here. If a child following instructions with no occult knowledge vibrates godnames, would it still generate some kind of power?

>>19412496
Fuck off you fucking autist. This isn't about any single tradition, but about the nature of mantras, which I'm trying to understand.

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>>19412444
Heh.. I dated the THE most mentally ill virgo, so even though this assessment isn't rooted in reality, I'm right there with you on condemning them as terrible terrible people lol.

Could probs give your crazy gf a run for her money with my supremely Active chart (grand air trine, sun in an air sign, rising and moon in a fire sign) coupled with like a GIGANTIC saturnian undercurrent.

>>19412478
let me guess you just love horus?
~t. sag rising

>>19412490
Aw. How was lunar eclipse for you, my leo roommate is having like a fucking manic episode. He has regulus like smack up in his shit though.

Also you chill with the Mars transitting your natal sun vibes. I want to like throw water on you, and every leo in my life right now.

Also ALL y'all are woefully outdated...it's my time
>~t. water bearer

>>19412501
>about the nature of mantras, which I'm trying to understand.
Good luck with your assumption that there's a one-size-fits-all doctrine between two hemispheres and like 2500 years of development.

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>tfw Gemini

>>19412507
If we remove all the fluff, why shouldn't the way a mantra/godname works be universal? Do universal laws shift 180 degrees when you switch a letter?

>>19412512
master race

>>19412520
Mantras are not just about using a phrase or godname, or even bringing action all the time. Some are used for ritual, others for meditation. Purpose differs.

You really should go read on the subject.

>>19412498

}:-)

>>19412506
>let me guess you just love horus?

Not really, as the Egyptian thing didn't appeal. I'm quite fond of the rising sun, though.

>>19412507

Re Grant's XI heresy: it's an LHP interpretation, and valid so far as such things go, I suppose.

>>19412534
Oh yeah? What symbol set are your more drawn to?

I mean this might be my flagrant egotism but sag is such a sick sign. it feels confusing to me that it's associated with Jupiter, but I'm hoping that'll fall into place as I learn more

CS Lewis was a sag sun. I've never met one I didn't like. Good people man. You're square to "the grubby gnomes" in Virgo ;)

>>19412512
They hatecha cuz they Ain't ya. I don't know why pop culture has just high key started wailing on you all recently. It'd be interesting to look at what changed in the last few years in the distant planets to see if there's something happening that reflects the way the cultural hatred of scorpios got offloaded onto you guys lol

>>19412568
>Oh yeah? What symbol set are your more drawn to?

Mesopotamian, perhaps. Working in Enochian, one could reach for whatever god form seemed appropriate or appealing. The Egyptian forms were inescapable, in an OTO environment, so one was always working with them, anyway.

> CS Lewis was a sag sun. I've never met one I didn't like. Good people man. You're square to "the grubby gnomes" in Virgo ;)

i once worked for a company with four employees: myself, and a Virgo, Gemini, and a Pisces. It was like the Four Horseman or something.

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>>19412490
>Scorpios BTFO
Nah
>>19412534
Grants XI degree interpretation is very perplexing and he contradicts himself multiple times in the course of a single book. I still don't get the whole "IX degree sends you forwards in time and XI degee sends you backwards" thing

>>19412586
Gotta love that mutability. Which reminds me that fixed signs are garbage.

>>19412346
>evoking the name of God/jesus/yhwh/jehova is so powerful
In what meaningful way is it powerful?
Actually demonized person here, tell me about the powers of jeebus that I know aren't there.

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>>19412597
Lol between me and ape WE HAVE YOU SURROUNDED at right angles. Better hope we never get in a room together. So much squaring. Speaking of
>>19412586
>4 horseman

Is there a Taurus in the house raise your hand..

>>19412531
>bringing action all the time
This is what I care about, not pujas for rituals. Are eastern and western mantras/godnames that are used to create action used in the same ways?

I mean, does simply vibrating them produce some kind of power?

>>19412597
>I still don't get the whole "IX degree sends you forwards in time and XI degee sends you backwards" thing

Not sure I want to try. Outside the Circles, is the only Grant I have hb. When I read it, I thought it fun fantasy, but not much else.

>>19412620
>Is there a Taurus in the house raise your hand..

Dirge is the Taurus.

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>>19412640
>not sure I want to try
What's the less deranged Kenneth Grant book where he talks about it?

>Dirge
So many mysterious figures and vague allusions to War

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>>19412640
>Dirge is the Taurus.
whomst is dirge? This is the third time you guys have mentioned in a week

Speaking of dirges though, here's my fav one, shit is fire. Mingus wrote it after the death of Lester Young https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxz9eZ1Aons

>>19412653
>What's the less deranged Kenneth Grant book where he talks about it?

Is there one? I saw, OtCoT, cited recently. I didn't know of another.

>So many mysterious figures and vague allusions to War

From his initials:
https://hermetic.com/jones/index

My mentor and teacher.

>>19412653
>>19412678
Dirge is DRJ is The Daemon Jones.
He is the current head of C.F. Russell's A.'.A.'.

The allusions to war are NOT vague.

Last shot across the prow was two years and ten months ago:
http://pastebin.com/raw/TG2e2haf

>>19412683
>coph nia

I was strongly considering moving to Eugene the other day.


>>19412712
>http://pastebin.com/raw/TG2e2haf
Oh.... I just read this first piece of trash on FB the other week. I didn't see Shoemaker's reply though. This...this may be my naivete but this just seems like a tremendous waste of everyone's time to be involved in this petty shit.

>>19412683
The John Dee society guy is your teacher? No wonder you're so into Enochian.

His formula of the Unicursal Hexagram was one of the first Thelema related documents I used as a consistent reference

>>19412712
David Shoemaker comes across very reasonably considering he was basically called a con artist

>the fundamental issue of spiritual leadership in our current doesn't affect the lay Thelemite at all because I say so

>t. Wassermann

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Have you taken the final redpill yet, /omg/?

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>>19412712
>I call upon ALL of you, regardless of your A.'.A.'. affiliation, to join with me in this unity of purpose. Let’s get back to the Work.

>>19412723
>on FB the other week
It's circulating again?
Zozzle.
Glad I could clarify for you.

It's not that much of a waste as HB and Gunther want to trademark the A.'.A.'. and sue all other lineages using the name.

>>19412728
https://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Sex-Magic-Hanging-Initiation/dp/1594774161

>>19412728
Doesn't look very blissfull.

>>19412712
>The Daemon Jones.
Oh I owe him a debt then. Bless.

>>19412712
Like that first note doesn't seem like a shot across anything it just seems like impotent bitching.

>>19412725
Get's a little passive aggressive with this though

>While we do believe that Soror Meral had the strongest claim to be the rightful successor to the A.’.A.’. administration of Karl Germer...

Like if you're advocating for mutual validity and peace between "claimant groups" you probably ought not to say "well we do have the strongest claim...but yeah we should all just get along and not argue about it any more"

>>19412730
>>I call upon ALL of you, regardless of your A.'.A.'. affiliation, to join with me in this unity of purpose. Let’s get back to the Work.
>>19412725
>>the fundamental issue of spiritual leadership in our current doesn't affect the lay Thelemite at all because I say so
"By their fruits ye shall know them"
Then why are all the Guntherites I know either incapable of securing employment, or if they do, disavow all public association with Thelema while accusing Thelemites they don't like of being dangerous Satanists in open court?

Why are Guntherites politically incoherent?

Why can't Gunther write anything better than a decent undergrad thesis?

Where are the Holy Books, other than being published by the Russell lineage and not Gunthers?

Why does Gunther refuse to produce his solution to Liber L, which is the sole basis of his succession claim, given he was expelled from the Motta circle for plotting to murder Claudia Canuto de Menezes?

>>19412754
>Then why are all the Guntherites I know either incapable of securing employment

They might just be wooks?

>>19412736
>>on FB the other week
>It's circulating again?

It's not circulating, I was fb stalking wasserman lol

>>19412742
The Meral claim is weak for a lot of reasons.

Cameron was as equally attained as Seckler, both verified by Wolfe.

The Order SHOULD have reverted to Jones rather than down to Germer. DDS survived until 1960, and I'm beginning to suspect he was still in contact with Crowley late in life (Netherwood was in the same town ((Hastings)) where DDS lived).

But the Gunther claim is EMPHATICALLY weaker.

ITT: OTO rejects who still think their opinions are relevant to how the order is run.

>>19412759
>tfw you took the "Jimbo is a disgusting slimebag of a human being" pill.

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>>19412737
>https://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Sex-Magic-Hanging-Initiation/dp/1594774161

Amazon review lmfao
>That the translator opens the book with a warning against the use of "solitary autoerotic strangulation" should tell you much of what you need to know about its contents.

>>19412754
I've noticed that Gunterites see Thelema the way cult leaders tend to see their cults. There's a weird attempt to "secularize" Thelema for mass consumption that I noticed was stupid immediately when I went to my first ever O.T.O Mass and it was full of literal fedoras. One of the reasons I'm set on doing the year and a day is that as much as I love Thelema I just wanna focus on my attainment. It would be nice to have an initiator or guide who isn't a mysterious figure on the astral plane but w.e
Deep down inside I think a lot of this is because Crowley failed the task of the Hierophant and the very idea of what spiritual leadership even looks like in the aeon of Horus has yet to manifest

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>>19412765
>OTO

>>19412765
>OTO rejects
I'm still a member in good standing, amazingly.

On the other hand, Gunther refuses to go beyond Minerval because the rituals "violate the Tunis comment" which was never a Class A dictum in the first place.

But yes, I'm certain the current leadership is competent, why else would the OTO be worth less than a new car in terms of revenue?

Don't you remember Breeze's election minutes in which he promised to "commercialize the Crowley legacy and focus on publishing, but only up to 40k in sales."

>>19412725
>The John Dee society guy is your teacher?

Yep. I was a member of his Center for Enochian Studies, a founding member of the JDS, and one of Dave's biographers.

>His formula of the Unicursal Hexagram was one of the first Thelema related documents I used as a consistent reference

Neat. I think that's the system we used for our planetary work.

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>>19412775
I think the current succession crisis is intentional.

Also, this: >>19412778

>>19412767
>>tfw you took the "Jimbo is a disgusting slimebag of a human being" pill.
No really, I thought he seemed nice!!

</s>

>>19412781
I'm finally taking my minerval, just sent my dues to the GL yesterday.

>>19412781
>Breeze's election minutes
Don't they not publish these any more under Breeze? I mean I got that piece of info from a seriously rambling epistle by J Cornelius so who knows.

>>19412781
>the rituals "violate the Tunis comment"
i..what?

>>19412785
^This guy's also a provisional VIIth and would likely be able to get a slot on the EC if he sucked enough Guntherite dick and wanted to get dues current (>implying).

>>19412789
>Don't they not publish these any more under Breeze? I mean I got that piece of info from a seriously rambling epistle by J Cornelius so who knows.
Election minutes transcripts and audio are in my library under the Caliphate Tapes.

>i..what?
Yup.
Jed grew up in a religiously zealous family that would not allow him to see movies or dance. He never actually grew out of this mindset. Hence why he talks so much about Thelemic Soteriology and The World Teacher.

He thinks he's Jesus. Literally.

>>19412797
>He thinks he's Jesus. Literally.

Who isn't?
That is the point of the metaphor. Funny you should be so dismissive of insane ramblings! ;*

>>19412775
>There's a weird attempt to "secularize" Thelema for mass consumption that I noticed was stupid immediately when I went to my first ever O.T.O Mass and it was full of literal fedoras.

*DING DING DING*

That was one of the primary drives behind, The Black Lodge of Santa Cruz.

>>19412792

*spits contemptuously*

I guess that was the idea. I went inactive and assume was purged long ago.


Do you accept that the Demon Jones now heads about the only legitimate claimant to a valid lineage?

>>19412786
Time to fire up the O.O. It's a social club that occasionally does rituals out back.

>>19412804
>Do you accept that the Demon Jones now heads about the only legitimate claimant to a valid lineage?
No.
CF Russell was disowned by Crowley.
That lineage is every bit as valid as Meral's, which means "not very until you can show me a formal mechanism of succession, and until that time everyone's succession claim is only as good as the initiates it produces". I am still of the opinion that all lines of transmission equally valid by virtue of their own inherent invalidity. As long as none are valid, all are valid; and Bersson's claims are fundamentally no different than Gunther's or Meral's or Russell's.

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>>19412781
>On the other hand, Gunther refuses to go beyond Minerval because the rituals "violate the Tunis comment" which was never a Class A dictum in the first place

Wut
>thinks he's Jesus
>won't interact with the mysteries of incarnation
K
>>19412786
>intentional
By whom? The Egregore itself?

>the O.T.O Egrogore will never manifest as a literal animate gargoyle you can give sexual offerings to

>>19412822

I suppose that's healthy. You could, theoretically, claim a de facto Russell lineage, and the way things are going eventually clam sole survivorship.

Is Gurdjieff worth studying? I just watched a documentary and he seems like one of the most interesting mystics out there, but a quick look through Beelzebub's Tales seems intimidating and very cryptic.

Are there any equivalents to the LBRP in eastern traditions?

>>19412898

I got more out of Ouspensky and wouldn't necessarily recommend him, either.

>>19412946
Reading A New Model right now.

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>>19412804
>The Black Lodge of Santa Cruz.
That's that shit I do like, ignoring for a second its seemingly-inevitable downfall. Pic related has me teary-eyed a little.

>>19413000

*sniff*

And 15 years on, I have nothing to add.

Thanks!

What does /omg/ do other than being a wizard?

>>19412797
>Jed grew up in a religiously zealous family that would not allow him to see movies or dance

This is basically exactly what happened to GG "Jesus Christ" Allin, and we all know how well he turned out

spoiler, he ODed covered in vomit and shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhcv_OvUR2s

>>19413017
Believe it or not the Sagitarian sun gave you away ;) didn't want to call you out in public

>>19413000

Drugs.
Radical political speech and activity.
Sex.
This is just me personally.

>>19413031
>Drugs.
>Radical political speech and activity.
>Sex.
>This is just me personally.

>31

You're amongst friends lol

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Is there any uploaded version of past dzogchen transmissions of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu?

I'll be trying to attend the next one in november

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>>19413018

Carpentry, charity work, and lifting.

>>19413049
>August, 2017
>"Start"
Bottom Jizzle.

>>19413018
observe the night sky
breed
sell sofas.

>>19408629
what happened to bruno borges?

>>19413107
>>>19412997

is having children worth it?

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>>19413049
>Carpentry, charity work, and lifting.

jesus is that you?

>>19413018
flow arts. climb rocks. make money. read books