Occultism & Magick

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>>19312158
Thanks.

What do you think would've been Crowley's opinion on today's porn and porn culture?

Do you think he'd found a use for it in magick?

Genuinely asking, not trolling.

I imagine he being a master trole IRL if he were alive today with internet and stuff

>>19312252
I bet his only objection is the risk of it becoming a surrogate for actually fuckin'.

>>19312145
I converted your pdf to a docx so don't worry about sending

>>19312358
Aye, pardon.
Work with the little 'w', etc.

>>19312145
So?

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>>19312360
Imagine my surprise when I came into work today to find two pages of the yorke microfilm version of the ritual printed out on the table next to the printer

>>19312373
It ain't all bad.
Got to fuck around with old PRC propaganda and some "unknown artist" works from the Rembrandt School, including a really nice painting of Salmoe and John the Baptist's head.

Got to tour our Chad-y metallurgist around all the skulls today. Peruvian mummies. Victims of headhunts.

>>19312145

Some people on 8/fringe/ have been accusing you of hating Bardon and IIH, care to elaborate on your stance?

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>>19312401
>accusing you of hating Bardon and IIH
It's not an accusation if it's true.

http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/19293801/#19299242

>>19312391
wow I inserted a comma there where it didn't belong as I read that, so was like "huh they found John the Baptist's head? and ape got to play with it??"

>>19312265
Which has clearly happened in several cases I'm aware of, and probably a lot more.

>>19312412
What's the "symbolic explanation" of the averse pentagram in the context of a rite like Reguli? I know LaVey describes in his edgy "two points thrust upward in duality," and the explanation of how the elements relate to the upright pentagram, but have never seen or heard a detailed description of the symbolism in this case. Any thoughts or links? Thanks.

>>19312145
is there a some sort of practice or spell to look better? please say yes

>>19312401
His autism bars him from using non-OTO approved sources.

>>19312553
>is there a some sort of practice or spell to look better?
work out
eat clean
drink more water

>>19312571
>~t. Hasn't Bothered to Look at the Library

>>19312605
my situtation is beyond those

>>19312605
What an excellent recipe.

And yes, fill yourself up on beets, spinach and arugula, not beef, spaghetti and potatoes. Fruit, not ice cream.

>>19312636
You can do things to improve your self esteem and confidence, though, which seems to actually make people appear to "look better" to others.

Bump

"Tesseract Working:"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkplPbd2f60

>>19312733

Pretty much, yeah.

>>19312605
Yes, though the general state of meditation/gnosis can be very useful for working out. Time goes by quickly and the burn is less noticeable. Of course don't overwork yourself. A cake does not bake the same at 500 degrees for 5 minutes as it does at 250 degrees for 20.

Does anyone ever use the Mother Letters as a mantra? I have been using AMSh-ShMA lately, causing a kind of oscillation effect. Also, I incidentally had a mudra revealed to me in an experience some people might describe as "gnosis." Does anyone who has maybe had this happen before have any suggestions, other than just using it in asana, etc?

>>19312401
You, Bardon, /fringe/, and everybody on /fringe/ are a bunch of faggots. You're all fucking gay as fuck holy shit get out reee

>>19312786
I love the /fringe/ers who define Gnosticism as "Whatever I want it to be so long as there is gnosis involved." I have yet to get a coherent argument from any of them. Just "WAHH muh dead word in da texts." When asked, "But nigga, have you *read* the texts?" the response is unfailingly, "(autistic screeching)." Don't get me wrong, I believe in direct revalation via gnosis, I just don't think these people should be calling whatever it is they are doing "Gnosticism."

>>19312145
>a word of Ceremony of the Equinox

Hey the word you have mentioned ITT on several occasions is short a letter, not like "oh there's crowley put one more dash" short a letter, but like, a value of 10 short a letter. If you're going to do it the way you're doing it you gotta have an additional yod. If you're going to match it up to the quantity of dashes at the bottom of the Yorke microfilm, AND have the correct value, just flank that center Aleph in Vavs, 3 on either side.

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>>19312939
At least wait until page 6-7 before bumping with no content other than "bump".

What do I gain from doing the exercizes that are in Prometheus Rising? Will shit start happening? How effective is it?

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>>19312963
That's not very nice anon
>>19313025
A very low key form of initiation. Make sure to do them in order

When saluting the moon with the Mantra Gayatri, is there a certain Godform assumption that is called for? Or does it depend on grade, intent, and other variables? Or at least, is there a "standard"?

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>>19312782
>Does anyone ever use the Mother Letters as a mantra?
Yes. Read the Sepher Yetzirah
>mantra
Depending on what language it's in you can do a key word analysis by breaking it down into letters/phonemes and meditating on its meaning from there

>>19312782
>>19313088
Disregard that I suck cocks, I read mudra as mantra

For the mudra you should try it in all sorts of daily activities including sex if you feel so inclined

>>19312782
Re your mudra, meditate using it, get an idea of what it does. You can look up the symbolic associations of the fingers involved - there is so much "occult anatomy" floating around out there. 777 does body part associations.

>>19313093
>>19313101
>>19313088
Thank you both. I do own Sefer yetzirah, I was just wondering if anyone else actually utilized it. Also, RE: the mudra, again, thanks. I remember Kaplan's Yetzirah having something about body part associations, as well as 777.

>>19313115
Andrew Chumbley gives specific Pentalph correspondences to specific parts of the hand re: mudras in Azoetia. It's a bit hard to figure out but very informative

>>19313039
May I ask what constitutes an initiation? by what or whom?

>>19313093
>I suck cocks
>93
It's your true will!

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Liber L
Ch. 3

1. Abrahadabra; the reward of Ra Hoor Khut.
2. There is division hither homeward; there is a word not known. Spelling is defunct; all is not aught. Beware! Hold! Raise the spell of Ra-Hoor-Khuit!
3. Now let it be first understood that I am a god of War and of Vengeance. I shall deal hardly with them.
4. Choose ye an island!
5. Fortify it!
6. Dung it about with enginery of war!
7. I will give you a war-engine.
8. With it ye shall smite the peoples; and none shall stand before you.
9. Lurk! Withdraw! Upon them! this is the Law of the Battle of Conquest: thus shall my worship be about my secret house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LIkKmgbFpA

Red war will fall on my enemies
Babylon is full of hypocrisy
You feel the hate is for real
'Cause red war will fall on my enemies

Red war
Red war
Red war
Red war

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>>19313156
>156

#suckcocksforBabalon

>>19313158
>Red war
מערכה אָדֹם = 380 via strong's concordance (I know it's backwards but the hebrew keyboard on windows is fucked)
380= - 380 - 380 = 22x5x19
AyinShinYod --- to be wide, roomy; to be well off, prosperous, to be free; broad or wide place, freedom; deliverance, salvation.
NunShinLamed --- (1030 w/f); to tongue; tongue, nation.
ReshPehSamekhMem --- number; fewness or numerableness; a recounting or telling; pr.n. "Number".
MemYodReshTzaddiMem --- (940 w/f); Egypt, the Egyptians.
LamedShinNun --- to draw or pull off; to reject, to cast off.
ShinYodAyin --- constellation, Ursa Major.
LamedPehReshAyin --- darkness or obscurity.
YodQofReshAyin --- Arkite (inhabitant of the city Arka in Phenicia).
YodShinAyin --- my maker.

I'm going off suboxone, I have weaned down to about 1-3 mg per day. I have used yoga to help get thru withdrawals before, and I don't expect these to be anywhere near as bad as the ones from other stuff, or even previous times getting off higher doses of sub. All that being said, is anyone here who has experience with this sort of thing that might recommend mystical/magick or related techniques to help get thru the next couple days? Obviously I will also be doing everything "mundanely" possible to reduce the feelings of general malaise(i.e. smoke doobies, take valium, drink water, take vitamins, etc). Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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I found a pdf copy of The Secrets of Albertus Magnus, but the legibility is kind of shit.

Would it be worth it to try and transcribe it into an epub for the sake of clarity? I have considered updating some of the spelling, but should I keep to as much of the original as possible? Long S, misspellings, archaic names for things, and all? Would anybody be interested in that?

I have considered adding notes for changes I make or things I'm uncertain of due to the garbage font, but I may just leave it as-is. I found another (poorly) transcribed version online that I'm using for some of the assistance but it's kind of slow. Googling plants whose names I'm not sure of, but sometimes I still can't tell if I'm even in the ballpark. Maybe I should just try to find a physical, more up-to-date print copy and leave it alone.

Thoughts/opinions?

>>19313304
>19313304
Hook us up, Pham. I would leave the spellings as is if you have the right font, or change them if you don't. You should probably leave them either way in my personal opinion, but IDK how everyone else would feel about that.

>>19313320
All I really intend to do is present in a clearer font, but I think I can manage with the long s if the epub conversion can do it.

I guess I can go with the spellings. It'll certainly keep me from going overboard in updating the names to plants in modern english, and allow me to avoid looking them up to make sure. All I need to do is make certain I have the letters right.

Capital letters are in one of those overly elaborate fonts that could be any letter for all anyone knows. The difference between capital L and T is a single line, I keep confusing lowercase V and H for B, the long S does lead to so much confusion, faded letters here and there make it uncertain, especially with G... I really don't know whether certain letters are capital U, V, or W... and I think I'm having similar problems with I and J...

Which is why I have at least one other copy to work from, but the PDF of the 1650 version is the basis for all wording when I can help it.

I'm only about 10 pages or so in, but I'll definitely share a Google Drive link or something when I finally finish it.

>>19313385
Looking forward to it!

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>>19313416
Me too, really. This is the first time I've ever done an ebook for anything, and it's a bit exhausting, but fun.

Honestly, I wish I knew what happened to the guy who had that copy of The Silent Friend they were going to scan. Haven't seen any other online copies of that and I was just thinking about how I'd be willing to transcribe that too, if just for the fun of it.

>>19312796
Yeah, they make Gnosticism (which is pretty cool) look downright retarded. But that's to be expected from severely autistic dummies.

>>19313304
Worth doing. I've kind of gotten used to the archaic format in these manusctipts though. What amazes me is how many untranslated documents there are in existance from influential figures like Robert Fludd and others. These are important texts that have been quoted often but no english translations exist. Only latin.

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For those who care (particularly Black Ivory folks) the following image is a selection of where the letter pairings from Azoetia fall on the Kabbalistic 231 gates. The pairings seem to follow linearly from the central mystery of AL which makes sense because that is the axis around which the Grimoire spins

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>>19313694
>>19313726
Last pic was the "dreaming reflection" of the Sigil of Azoetia which is language

Notice that the waking reification is sound

>>19313694
>For those who care (particularly Black Ivory folks) the following image is a selection of where the letter pairings from Azoetia fall on the Kabbalistic 231 gates. The pairings seem to follow linearly from the central mystery of AL which makes sense because that is the axis around which the Grimoire spins
You just gave me chills.
Too bad I've got so much literal shit on my table right this second.

>>19313690
>I've kind of gotten used to the archaic format in these manusctipts though.
I wonder if you'd have an easier time transcribing, then?

I should really get to learning Latin. I wonder if I could ever get good enough to do some translating.

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>>19313750
>Literal Shit
>>19313694
That thumbnail really makes me want to make an inverted triangle where the bottom line is the lamed finals and the other line is the kaph row, so it makes a crazy kabbalistic triforce. I'm not sure what mystical value that would have but it's really giving me tingles

>>19313801
Is that actually crowley?

>>19313821
...yeah.

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>>19313821
the One and Only.

>>19313829
>>19313832
one hundred thousand keks

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>>19312782
If you're still lurking:
http://www.billheidrick.com/works/sy.htm
go to section eight and consider carefully what he says about Schem

>>19313286
Ibogaine*

*do not mix with amphetamines

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>>19313876

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>>19313801
>kabbalistic triforce

like that? I saw it on the thumbnail too lol

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>>19313801
>it's really giving me tingles

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>>19313965
wow your Paint skills shit on mine

lets spitball some Ilyun

If AL is considered to be the Apex of Azoetia then the horizontal line across from AL represents the rectification of Aleph all the way though to Kaph, the hand.
>In Jewish Mysticism, the two letters of the word "kaf" are the initial letters of the two Hebrew words: koach ("potential") and poel ("actual"), suggesting that Kaf enables the latent power of the spiritual (the potential) to be made actual in the physical

The third line in the triangle moves what is in the Hand to the Earth by grounding in in Tav, which is the third Point.

I'm sure there's a lot more going on with what each of the triangles represent per what pairing is at each apex, but I'm starting there

>>19314079
it may be because I don't use paint

how can I become a real wizard? What kind of studying must I do and where can I find more information?

>>19314079
I can't figure out how to get this across without obscuring the letters but if you take the kaph lamed at the left-most point of the blue triangle and imagine it as the vesica-pisces point for the adjoining red triangles (which means that each of the triangles edges will equal 11, not 10) that could yield some fun results, and also the 10 -> 11 thing has some cool magickal/kabbalistic implications.

>>19314132
>each of the triangles edges will equal 11, not 10
sorry, this is unclear. By this I mean, there will be 11 character pairs included in the edge of each red triangle, if you include the pair that is the leftmost point of the blue triangle (the kaph-lamed) in both of the red edges

>>19314132
>kaph lamed at the left-most point of the blue triangle and imagine it as the vesica-pisces point for the adjoining red triangles

That's what I'm saying I feel like there's a whole arcanum for how the triangles relate to one another that I am not a good enough Kabbalist to yet grok

>11 character pairs included in the edge of each red triangle

I agree, I'm trying to parse what each 11 character movement means in light of the 11 step process mentioned in DBoE or Kabbalah generally

One good avenue of investigation would be to convert this image into Gematria sums and then re draw all the lines

This is all more ceremonial magick than anything like witchcraft right?

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>>19313965
Alternatively the Lamed row is each knot upon the Rope of the Twelfth Holy Letter as per Azoetia

The Kaph Row is each Sign upon the Hand that represents the formulation of the work

I'm just kind of speculating at this point

>>19314172
What we are talking about right now is the basis to a literal form of Witchcraft

>>19314131
Liber ABA (or at least Magick In Theory and Practice)
Magick Without Tears

>>19314172
Everyone approaches their practice differently and my and shaula's happens to heavily incorporate Kabbalah - this is us using the framework of Kabbalah to feel out the meaning present in other systems that we've been working with.

I'm on this tip rn because I spent all day fucking with Kabbalah, and then shaula posted the thing that links Kabbalah to the system of witchcraft he has been working with which has heavy roots in Hebrew, so now we're spitballing about that. It's more free association across the various things we've both been fucking with recently that it is any one system so if it seems hyper specific and unintelligible, that's why. You can attack any system with kabbalah cuz the Jews are heady as fucc and the premise of their mystical understanding is that every point that is manifest in reality can connect to every other point (see: indra's net)

>>19312145

What can your magic(k) offer me?

I mean that in all seriousness. What can it possibly offer me? Why should I, or anyone, study or practice it?

I'm not here to say "magic doesn't work". That's not the conversation I'm interested in having. What could magic possibly offer me that I don't have already? Of what value is your magic?

>>19313158
There is something very off putting to the way you approach this. If you want to revel in hate and fantasize about power, maybe go play somewhere else.

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>>19314396
No you

>>19314234
>>19314195
Aleph:
>The lightnings increased and the Lord Tahuti stood forth. The Voice came from the Silence. Then the One ran and returned.
Lamed:
>Also Asar was hidden in Amennti; and the Lords of Time swept over him with the sickle of death.

>Pyramidos
>Cadaveris

I love being right.

>>19314517
>Aleph
The Magister Templi.
>Lamed
Equilibrium on the Path.

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>>19314517
>>19314523
you wanna dumb that down by like, maybe one notch?

I'm starting to get AL a lot more, but what were you right about?

>>19314159
>That's what I'm saying I feel like there's a whole arcanum for how the triangles relate to one another that I am not a good enough Kabbalist to yet grok

There is a lot of plurality/multiplicity/redundancy(the exact word being hard to find) to their approach. The amount of people suitable for Kabbalistic practice is very very low. It is almost purely pneumatic, which brings about a number of difficulties.

Gematria is just one of the ways they establish an hermeneutic. It allows them to make valid arguments which the text doesn't support.

Example: Abram took 318 men to Damascus to free Lot. Eliezer of Damascus is 318. He took the court of El of Damascus to save Lot. Gematria is always just an add on to give something esoteric an exoteric justification.

The way you are talking about using gematria is nonsensical.

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>>19314523
>23

>>>19312549
Speaking of reguli:

>23. Perform the Spiral Dance, moving deosil and whirling widdershins.
Each time on passing the West extend the Wand to the Quarter in question, and bow:
“Before me the powers of LA!” (to West.)
“Behind me the powers of AL!” (to East.)
“On my right hand the powers of LA!” (to North.)
“On my left hand the powers of AL!” (to South.)

https://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib5
The breakdown on AL and LA here was illuminating to me ^

>>19314559
The fundamental basis of the Sabbatic Craft is the A.'.A.'. initiation process.

From I through SA, from AL to LA.

I and HU take care of ThROA, where SA takes care of Cadaveris.

Thumb through Liber IS/EES if you can.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhet_(hieroglyph) = the Holy Mountain of Attainment in the SA ritual.

>>19314442
Fly you fool.

>>19314602
https://books.google.com/books?id=ohYTAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA174&lpg=PA174&dq=became+clean+in+akhet&source=bl&ots=A9m0C7GYLb&sig=acie6S2conIyCz0wAog1KxWheYc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSqYa_xJTVAhUjxoMKHbg5DEoQ6AEIKDAA#v=snippet&q=%22become%20clean%20in%22%20akhet&f=false

>>19314566
>The way you are talking about using gematria is nonsensical.

Howso anon? Are there no other kabbalists who have developed gematria for the letter pairs? I was honestly just speculating

>Gematria is just one of the ways they establish an hermeneutic. It allows them to make valid arguments which the text doesn't support.

Meditation on numerical correspondence doesn't have to be about making textual arguments, in fact I would argue that while doing so is a key element of kabbalah the meditation on correspondence is closer to the "mystical center" of the thing

>>19314602
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhet_(hieroglyph)
= Meru
= Abiegnus
= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hara_Berezaiti

>>19314622
>fly you fool.
L is “Justice,” the Kteis fulfilled by the Phallus, “Naught and Two” because the plus and the minus have united in “love under will.”

>A is “The Fool,” Naught in Thought (Parzival), Word (Harpocrates), and Action (Bacchus). He is the boundless air, and the wandering Ghost, but with “possibilities.” He is the Naught that the Two have made by “love under will.”

>>19314387
Everyone has a unique daimon of inspiration or inner genius that can be manifested through the practice of magic. If you wish to attain this, magick is for you. It is a lot of hard work, however. I am nowhere near others' levels. Even so I am reaping tangible benefits working the Golden Dawn system as explicated by Israel Regardie.

>>19314602
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhet_(hieroglyph)


I am not familiar with the Holy Mountain of Attainment,but that imagery is peculiar. The proximity between sun and mountain, the fusion of horizon and mountain.

>>19312265
This is so commonplace though for so many people

>>19314794
How does one remedy it? I am in my late twenties. I had plenty of sex and debauchery in college. Now I live a mostly boring blue collar mundane lifestyle. I have female friends but most of them are in relationships. I try to ignore the loneliness and concentrate on self-improvement and the Great Work and hope someone will come along eventually. But I masturbate a lot. Usually whenever I have a sex dream I finish the job in the morning with some porn. Is this a surrogate for real intimacy? Maybe. But real intimacy is a luxury we cannot all afford...

>>19314623
>>19314774

Yeah the Egyptians are reifying Ousia. Atenist Herecy, was corrected for a reason. Be careful about using it in your work.

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My dog ate my toadbone skeleton. Does this mean he is the devil trying to prevent me from attaining adepthood?

>>19314624
>Meditation on numerical correspondence doesn't have to be about making textual arguments, in fact I would argue that while doing so is a key element of kabbalah the meditation on correspondence is closer to the "mystical center" of the thing

The peculiar relationship they have with the latter is why they need the former.

>"mystical center" of the thing.
Language is a good window into your level of understanding. The linguistic confusion here will become a problem later on.

>>19314816
If it makes you unhappy, that means you don't want to do it. If you don't want to do it, don't.

>But real intimacy is a luxury we cannot all afford

Is not an argument that is going to fly around here. Don't be weak willed and then blame your surroundings.

>>19314874
>The peculiar relationship they have with the latter is why they need the former.

So why don't you explain what I'm doing wrong using Sefer Yetzirah? That is the foundation text of everything I was talking about

>Language is a good window into your level of understanding. The linguistic confusion here will become a problem later on.

Ok sorry Rabbi ill be a good Shaygets and not stray too far from the Torah

>>19314899
Now, why did you have to go and react like that? You've taken a defensive posture and jumped to conclusions. It is a poor demonstration of emotional and mental control. You're making me want to say less not more.

>So why don't you explain what I'm doing wrong using Sefer Yetzirah?

I never said you were doing anything wrong. I gave you useful information. If you're not ready to make use of it , that is a problem between you and yourself.


>Ok sorry Rabbi ill be a good Shaygets and not stray too far from the Torah

Nice sassy comeback. The only thing I have to say in my defense is that the "mystical center" of " the thing" not only includes "the thing" but also be in the center of "the thing". So you have a center which consists of two points, which must also be inside one of the points. You literally would have been more accurate to the reality of the situation if you just said "it" instead of "mystic center" because you don't actually have any real idea what that is.

A Rabbi would never have to tell you to contain yourself to the Torah, because you are running around making infinite knots for yourself. You're welcome for me pointing this one out for you,though.

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>>19314822
>Implying Heidegger wasn't right about Ousia
>Implying Atenism wasn't necessary for the development of human consciousness
>>19315005
>vague sarcasm
>poor demonstration of emotional and mental control
only in a culture that values deference, which makes me wonder if you know where you are.

perhaps we got off on the wrong foot, I may have gotten annoyed because I am keenly aware of both the extreme and necessary formalities that traditional Kabbalists go through to "check" their work as well as the extreme danger of falling into a meaning hole with Gematria, losing sight of the forest for the trees. I'll freely admit I was speculating all over this thread and that if I was going to formulate it into something it would be with the help of much more research.
>You literally would have been more accurate to the reality of the situation if you just said "it"
you are absolutely correct that I was grasping and it came off poorly
>The amount of people suitable for Kabbalistic practice is very very low
this is something else I agree with
>you are running around making infinite knots for yourself
I still want you to point out something specific

>>19315082
>Implying Heidegger wasn't right about Ousia
No.

>Implying Atenism wasn't necessary for the development of human consciousness
No.

>I still want you to point out something specific
I did.


>research.
>culture that values deference

What did Heidegger say about Ousia? What is consciousness? Do you think it differs from what I have been talking about? What is the basic structure at play and how does Atenism get it wrong?

Stick to what you know.

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>>19315218
>What did Heidegger say about Ousia?

"Much later, Martin Heidegger said that the original meaning of the word ousia was lost in its translation to the Latin, and, subsequently, in its translation to modern languages. For him, ousia means Being, not substance, that is, not some thing or some being that "stood"(-stance) "under"(sub-). Moreover, he also uses the bi-nomial parousia-apousia, denoting presence-absence, and hypostasis denoting existence."

hypostasis continues to be a theme in these threads

>Do you think it differs from what I have been talking about?
I have yet to find a better word for "The Thing"
>What is the basic structure at play and how does Atenism get it wrong?

My working theory is that Atenism is a manifestation of the AMOUN current, predating and in some ways calling IAO. Like all religions that are based on a brief, powerful flash of insight it just reverberated through Egyptian culture like a ripple across a pond and dissipated. It doesn't help that Akhenaten seems to have had some psychological issues.

>Stick to what you know.
How pointed. I can't help but feel that if I did that I'd be swimming in the same waters all of my life. What's wrong with indulging in speculation so long as you follow it with rigor?

>>19312252
He would be a tripfag and everyone would irrationally hate him for his posts lol

Kinda like me

>>19312636
Make up, surgery, etc are all options to physically alter your appearance

>>19313801
whenever I see this picture of Crowley I just can't not appreciate his fucking expression
truly le master trole

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How do I start to get in to all of this? I'm sorry if I may just seem ignorant but is there anything a beginner should know, and anything sort of spells/rituals that I can do at an early level of experience?

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Fuck. Yes.
>>19313304
Me again, I'll just have a temporary trip for a while. I've gotten 20 pages in, but I think progress is going to start going a lot faster the more I get familiar with the letters. Plus, I recently found out that a book I have in my folders, The Secret Lore of Magic, is in fact a collection of several grimoires, including the Grand Albert.

While I could simply refer everyone to that, I feel like I might just go ahead and continue, adding it to the haphazard transcription of the earlier publication, and the 1650 version I had originally decided to transcribe, as resources for this work. There are variations between each and every version, and I want a clean copy of the 1650 one in particular, so I think it's still worthwhile. But at least now I have a (relatively) more reliable version to double-check my choices, especially since The Secret Lore of Magic is closer to the 1650 version than the version of unknown date.

The PDF I'm working off has 136 pages, but I'm not counting blank pages and will eventually space it out for epub format, so the final count will be nowhere near that. But if I can keep this pace up (or even pick it up a bit), hopefully I can finish by the weekend.

Ape? Thoughts? Would the Secrets of Albertus Magnus be worth including or am I wasting my time? Granted, I'm working more from a historical standpoint than one of a practitioner.

>>19312549
The reverse pentagram being a negative symbol is just new age superstition. The original pytagorean pentagram was like that, and has full of positive meaning.

>>19315424

There's a beginners folder in the library. For starter rituals, check Middle Pillar by Israel Regardie.

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>>19315274
> a better word for "The Thing"

Being is the Noun; Form is the adjective.
Matter is the Noun; Motion is the Verb.
Wherefore hath Being clothed itself with Form?
Wherefore hath Matter manifested itself in Motion?
Answer not, O silent one! For THERE is no "where-fore", no "because".
The name of THAT is not known; the Pronoun
interprets, that is , misinterprets, It.
Time and Space are Adverbs.
Duality begat the Conjunction.
The Conditioned is Father of the Preposition.
The Article also marketh Division; but the Interjection is the sound that endeth in the Silence.
Destroy therefore the Eight Parts of Speech; the
Ninth is nigh unto Truth.
This also must be destroyed before thou enterest
into The Silence.
Aum.

I can't take life anymore I wish there were a way out that didnt involve my skull on the pavement and a mess to clean up.


I feel like im just trapped inside a bubble I cant ever escape from in any way. If i go outside and mingle with the animals because of my nature i get abused. If i stay inside on interner and mingle with the animals i get abused.
So i live by myself no internet and iust talk to my tulpa friends no computer no anything and now my brain becomes desperate for any sort of human connection.


I will find a way away from all of this i dont know how but im going to do anything to create an escape from the human needing that we all crave. Its inhumane humans are nothing more than sociopathic animals that deserve nothing.


I just want to be left alone and never have to deal with another shitty human ever again.

Ive been practicing magick into the occult anything just to fucking get away from humanity and make enough money to support myself even though im nearly retarded. I cant deal with life its impossible i cant even tie my shoes just fucking kill me.

>>19316106
http://www.wikihow.com/Tie-Your-Shoes

This Grimoire will set you on the right path.

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>>19316106
>I just want to be left alone and never have to deal with another shitty human ever again.
>brings his pity-party blogging to a public forum
>>>/out/

>>19312401
>Bardon
I have no idea why people take that slav hack seriously, or why his work is so popular in chan circles.

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>>19312412
Scrolled a bit too much and saw your rant on Johnny Todd instead.
>Star Wars is satanic
>Witches call occultism "the force"
Hahaha what the fuck

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>>19312145
Anyone here with knowledge of astrology in conjunction with magick? What does my natal chart tell about my prospects in magick?

Someone told me I should stick to ritual magick and summoning because I've got saggitarius in my VI-th house but she didn't elaborate.

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>>19316518
Take it to /div/ and recast in whole sign houses and I'll look at it for you when I have a chance.

Link below, fill in the birth info and hit continue, then see pic related for how to cast Whole sign
https://www.astro.com/cgi/ade.cgi

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>>19316518
Anyone who is a fan of hermes though check out that sun and moon flanking either side of mercury in the 12 house (rules transformational experiences o.O

in gemini, mercury's sign no less.

pic very related, if you switched jupiter with saturn in that image, you'd have your chart.

Okay. Anyone experienced in magick available to answer a simple question?
I have a sample of DNA used in another ritual. It has some oil on it. It is my ONLY sample I have and I can't get anymore in the foreseeable future. Can I use it again or not?

>>19316862
You're gonna have to be more specific than that anon

>>19316106

Go in to the wilderness, breh. 'Tis what I myself plan on doing once the last of my affairs are in order and my in-progress course of ritualwork is concluded. There is much to be learned from doing so, I mean, hell -- Look at the results it had for Shakyamuni, Lao-Tze, and Yeshuah as notable examples. I would suggest grabbing the SAS Survival Handbook for study beforehand, as well as learn how to distinguish edible and non-toxic foodsources from inedible and toxic ones if you do decide to go that route (Find an actual experienced person to learn from, do *not* rely solely on books or youtube or whatever else for safe gathering/harvesting of flora). The only things I'll be taking on my own journey are a knife, a metal bowl (for disinfecting water/eating out of), three sets of robes, a copy of the tao te ching, and a copy of the bible.

>>19316963
If you're going to bring a bible, at least bring something like the orthodox study bible because it would give you a lot of material to read and study.

>>19316947
It is an item that was used in a spell that was successful. I want to reuse an item from that spell in a new spell. Some other sources online said that it was fine to use items that were part of a successful spell in a new spell. Just wanted second opinions.

>>19316978
You could argue that you now have a charged ritual object since you used it on a successful spell

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bamp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNXxd3yYDaM

>>19316518
>Anyone here with knowledge of astrology in conjunction with magick?
The extent of my knowledge is that the planets and Zodiac signs can be associated with certain things you may want to do, magically, and so it's good to gather certain herbs or do certain actions at specific times of year, or days of the week, or hours of the day, which would be associated with those planets.

Well, I say "planets," but the list usually leaves out everything past Saturn, and includes the Sun and Moon. Outdated science, I don't know what to tell you.

>>19317366
https://youtu.be/WSz2ix4Fi7U

>>19312796
That's because it's revelation from Gnosis, faggot. Strictly following this or that text without direct experience is by definition anti-Gnostic.

>>19317426
Saying every spiritual apprehension is valid when they're in direct conflict with Gnostic teachings, doctrine, cosmology, initiation, theophany, or cosmogony.

Also, it's pretty telling that Meme Gnostics use the "Gnostic" label for a series of wildly disconnected texts and sects, each with their own flavor, and not specific sectarian lables, failing to realize that the term "Gnostic" was used as a term of convenience by the discoverers of the Nag Hammadi texts.

>>19317426
There are plenty of mystical organizations in which gnosis is an integral part that don't call themselves "Gnostics." If you will stop banging your head against the wall, you will see I mentioned the fact that most of these people are not the least bit familiar with any of the gnostics texts. There's a helluva big difference between have an experience of gnosis that contradicts the texts, and not having any grounding in any of the texts for reference to begin with.

>>19317446
But then one has to consider, if one has such an experience, did the gnosis *truly* contradict the texts? Which texts do they contradict? Etc.

>>19317444
>Saying every spiritual apprehension is valid when they're in direct conflict with Gnostic teachings, doctrine, cosmology, initiation, theophany, or cosmogony.
Is also by definition anti-gnostic, excuse me.
You don't get to say "Le demiurge is evil, I seen't it, therefore I'm a Gnostic of the Gnosis" when probably slightly less than half the so-called "Gnostic" groups didn't think that.

At least have the common decency to latch onto a coherent tradition of textual evolution (barbeloite, valentinian, ophite, sethite, etc.)

>>19317444
Every "Gnostic" sect believes it's own brand of shit that contradicts every other sect. Thus, unless you have personal Gnosis that confirms something, it's just popcorn reading.

> the term "Gnostic" was used as a term of convenience
Yes, I'm aware, hence I don't call myself a "Gnostic".

>>19317454
Is it fair for Thelemite and member of the E.G.C. to call themselves "A Gnostic"? Or is Thelemite the most appropriately encompassing term?

>>19317465
>Every "Gnostic" sect believes it's own brand of shit that contradicts every other sect.
Not really.
But ok.

>Thus, unless you have personal Gnosis that confirms something
>confirms
Confirms what....what some text says?
>Let us analyze the mystical keywords of elohel and tohp-zahzel

>>19317465
>Gnostic
This whole discourse thus far has been you asserting what "gnostics" think, so lemme know which sect you claim and we can start over.

>>19317466
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX-YfuVQmX8

EGC is directly rooted in transmissions from later-day French Martinist "Gnostics". Apply as many or as few labels as you deem necessary.

I DO consider myself a Gnostic, a nondualist Barbeloite, to be precise, with a tendency toward Miaphysitism and the Armenian Creed of the Oriental Orthodoxy.

>>19317488
so much heresy

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>>19317373
This is called electional astrology.

>>19317388
yes, good.

do you like DFA? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jdne6GVHQ

>>19317444
>444


>>19317466
>E G C
>Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica
I think you're good

>>19317478
I'm not a "gnostic" and have never claimed to be.

>>19317454
>latch onto a coherent tradition of textual evolution (barbeloite, valentinian, ophite, sethite, etc.)
Your autism is showing.

Even if I completely agreed with this or that particular Gnostic cult, I wouldn't label myself as a member of that long dead group, because that's fucking stupid. I would just use the general term "Gnostic". Much clearer and less LARPy.

>>19317495
>do you like DFA
I do now.

>>19317496
> I would just use the general term "Gnostic".
>"I'm going to apply a blanket term to myself which academics on the subject don't like to touch with a ten foot pole because it reduces dozens of traditions and creeds under a single banner whether or not they were in doctrinal agreement".
Good for you.
Best of luck on your Attainment, mate.

>>19317496
>says hes not a gnostic
>but id call myself a gnostic if i was autistic enough to be a gnostic instead of catholic master race
>calls other people autistic
rofl, repent to your lord jesus christ and join the catholic church, it's not too late to get saved, anon.

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What materials does this book require? Just opened to the first knowledge lecture and apparently the ritual of the pentagram requires a dagger.

Can I get a full list of the materials needed for self-initiating so i can just order it now?

>>19317509
As opposed to

>a nondualist Barbeloite, to be precise, with a tendency toward Miaphysitism and the Armenian Creed of the Oriental Orthodoxy.

Yes, absolutely I would use a broad term.

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>>19317515
>Can I get a full list of the materials needed for self-initiating so i can just order it now?

https://www.amazon.com/Self-Initiation-Into-Golden-Dawn-Tradition/dp/1567181368

In the library.

>>19317517
>im a theoretical astrophysicist that studies temporal distortions in the quantum field of chromothermodynamics
vs
>im a scientist lol
ps youre gay

>>19317522
I'm partial to the Monothelite perspective too, for obvious reasons.

>>19317533
https://serpentpath.wordpress.com/2017/07/19/fetish-skull-of-qayin/

>>19317522
More like,

>I'm a historian
instead of
>my dissertation was on Late Roman Republican era homo-erotic pottery design

>>19317547
more like
>im a historian (when talking to normies)
>my dissertation was on gay autists shitposting on 4chan (when talking to patricians)

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>>19317547
>not studying late Justinian erotic mosaics
[JESTS INFINITELY]

>>19317570
>implying there were faggots in Holy Constantinople
heresy

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>>19317582
>the joke
>your head

>>19317515
>Just opened to the first knowledge lecture and apparently the ritual of the pentagram requires a dagger.

Use your finger. Seriously.

>>19317622
Solid advice. The weapons are merely an extension of the will.

What does
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib96.htm mean when they say the handbook has "some intentional inaccuracies"?

>>19317680
D-did you keep reading?

>By the order of the A.'. A.'. certain formulae have been introduced into it, and omissions made, to baffle any one who may seek to prostitute it to idle curiosity or to fraud. Its practical use and the method of avoiding these pitfalls will be shown to approved students by special authority from V.V.V.V.V. or his delegates.

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>>19317627
>The weapons are merely an extension of the will.
>>19317680
It means it's basically useless and there are much better introductions to Geomancy on the Mega. I found the Golden Dawn knowledge lectures/chapters of the "Complete Golden dawn" regarding Geomancy to be extremely helpful

>>19317698
Thanks
>>19317692
Yeah I was wondering WHERE the intentional errors were. time to get to Work, I guess.

>>19317509

https://youtu.be/1qaBTqhlv8o
https://youtu.be/2Ia3baO8qHQ

>>19317680
>to baffle any one who may seek to prostitute it to idle curiosity or to fraud

>>19317700
>Yeah I was wondering WHERE the intentional errors were. time to get to Work, I guess.
See Regardie's unredacted text.

>>19317712
Why thank you, kind sir. Geomancy is one form of divination that has escaped me. Unless, of course, you count crystal gazing.

>>19317717
Same, actually. I just complete glossed over it when I was studying the Thoth tarot symbolism

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>>19317712
Ape isn't Zazel the guardian of Saturn?
This may or may not relate to the guardian issue you were emailing about

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>>19317735
FUCK

Sacred Tool series: the Harvester Set

Today we received six harvesting knives wonderfully envisioned and hand crafted by Cody Dickerson from Borealis Ironworks (you can find his shop at Etsy), which will integrate the upcoming Harvester Sets (composed of a harvest/gathering knife and an oil to anoint the blade before the harvesting ritual). They are perfect sized (portable and easily concealable), their blade is sharp, and their little horns are a helpful ally when unearthing roots.

The oil, crafted by Occvlta, and consistent of a series of protective resins and herbs, will make sure the blade is not offending any spirit locii and will help in the transition of the plant spirits from their natural state to that of the plant corpse. It will also include an herbal offering and instructions for procedure.

>>19317752
>Zazel
Is neither Zhamiel, Mazhiel, Azazel, or Azael.
Agrippan attributions don't appear to fly here. I'll need to brute-force it like I did for the Elemental Count of Witchblood.

What is the Abramelin Square, in Ch. 22 of the Mathers Edition, square 4, that says"This symbol should never be made use of"? It still doesn't say what it's used for. Do you have to do the operation to find out?

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>>19317762
>Borealis Ironworks
>will help in the transition of the plant spirits from their natural state to that of the plant corpse
Want. That.

(((OCCULT)))
(((C)))
(((C)))
(((U)))
(((L)))
(((T)))

...
..
.

https://raulsanchezdelasierra.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/nunn_sanchez-de-la-sierra_aerpp_2017.pdf

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>>19317990
>Observing the conditions results in socially beneficial, individually suboptimal actions

This is why I wish Chaos Magick wasn't so individually focused and involved more social experimentation and group psychological work.

Scientologists and "self help" gurus are practicing what's being talked about in that article in a big way

I guess Temple Ov Psychic Youth had really interesting group rituals but still

>>19317990
That was cool. I want a list of the structures of the spells they collected.

Also, why you want to inflate someone's foot of all things is a complete mystery to me

>>19318069
Can't war if you can't walk.

Guys, this is a serious question. What actual evidence is there that caps is dead? What is the chance that she is alive?

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>>19318073
True facts gotta inflate the feet of mine enemies

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>>19318078
>What actual evidence is there that caps is dead?
A 4chan post.
Also I think someone posted an "alleged note" from her mom one time but I think it was sent to the Hanzposting crowd so take that wish a shaker of salt.

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>>19318086
So she's alive. Thank you.

I think I know what to do next.

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a heads up to anyone, there's a new moon in Leo on sunday that will mirror the new moon in Leo that willl eclipse the sun on aug 21. So if you're planning to do Some Shit on the eclipse, you would be well served to put in some Work on the Sunday new moon as well.

https://youtu.be/wtjZOf0WmdE

>>19318160
Vajrayogini plus last prep on this cycle's Dragon Vessel.

Then I need to go buy some ropes to build the standing stones before Aug starts.

>>19313088
>>19313168
Which deck are these from? I love the illustrations

Visit X they said.
You'll learn something they said.

It's like everybody is speaking in code xD

>>19318195
>walks into math department at a university
>professors are all conversing about advanced topics, using mathematical jargon
>doesnt understand any of it
It's like everybody is speaking in code xD

>>19318214

its like we need a common dictionary or something

we waste too much time on semantics

>>19318214
You know your board is awful when /pol/ is less arrogant.
You have fun with whatever this is.

Hopefully the next person who comes in here to lurk and chime in with a joke won't get an anon chastising them because they don't know enough about a fringe and niche subject.
Hopefully.

>>19318236
Yes my collection of over five thousand academic books and source texts including never before scanned materials and unpublished shit from the Yorke Microfilms of the Warburg Collection sure is awful.

Thanks for stopping in.
Play stupid games; win dumb prizes.

>>19312145
i saw an apocalyptic sign. wat do

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>>19318245
Immanentize the eschaton.

>>19318249
thanks

>>19318236
>being this triggered over greentext
/autismo/
>>19318232
technical terms that are specific to certain spiritual traditions won't translate well. what's the point of that?

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>>19318182
>vajrayogini
>Vajrayoginī's essence is "great passion" (maharaga), a transcendent passion that is free of selfishness and illusion, and intensely works for the well-being of others and for the destruction of ego clinging.

Well if that ain't some ideal new moon in Leo shit

>>19318242
I never said it was awful, I'd probably find it fascinating if I had a reference point.
I said you were arrogant, which you have displayed, once again.

Do me a favor and try your hide your stunning intellect (Did I mention you're better than me?) for a moment, and answer me one simple question.

What book, documentary, or website, would you suggest as a starting point?
P.s. I wish I was as cool as you.

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>>19318266
Minimal practice is on new moon.
I was increasing that, to avoid overlap with Black Moon Rite, but I've shifted my DV into a state of dormancy around the Equinox to work on ZHA.

>>19318274
>I said you were arrogant, which you have displayed, once again.
Thanks for noticing.

>What book, documentary, or website, would you suggest as a starting point?
The dictionary, since you seem unable to google unfamiliar terms.

>>19318274
>a starting point
a starting point for what? what are you interested in? what are you not interested in? what would you like to accomplish? etc. cant just give recommendations blindly like this

>>19318261
> be me
> show interest in philosophy and mythology.
> be told that /x/ is the place to be
> go to /x/
> try to understand the hardline autism and x-speak
> chime in hoping something will be learned
> occult wizard dickswingers proceed to jerk off their intellect all on you
> have enough of their shit
> decide the board is a useless place dedicated to an interesting subject
> finally go to another board, leaving the wonderful wizards of /x/ wondering why their board is one of the least popular on the site.

I am triggered.
For good reason!

>>19318232
Some group tried to do that, see:
http://www.clairvision.org/books/altmc/a-language-to-map-consciousness.html

I dont know how useful it actually is though

>>19318294
good riddance to bad trash. here's your obligatory (you), normie.

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>>19317366
>>19317495
These illustrations are also fantastic - sauce plz?

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>>19318294
>implying I've ever given two watery shits about what people think about me/the thread over the last six years

>>19318288
Well recently I've been seeing a lot more articles and threads dedicated to occult synchronisity and ritualism.

I suppose I'm interested in learning about what is beyond my secular interpretation. Between memetics, synchronisity, and ritualism, my world is becoming a much more interesting place.

What forces cause this? Can they be influenced? To what end? I was raised Christian, turned Athiest, and now am starting to consider that there may be strings, whether psychological or more magical, that influence all of our realities.

That kind of thing.

>>19318301
Artist Jose Gabriel Alegría Sabogal
10/10 do recommend

>>19318300
>comes into a thread they know nothing about
>they complain in that thread about their comprehension
>told to use the resources of the computer he's using to fill the gap
>"I was just pretending to be retarded!"
>"You guys are too mean ;_;"
Hopefully the door don't hit his ass on the way out.

>>19318312
I wasn't pretending to be retarded.
I am ACTUALLY retarded.

My issue is the treatment of normies on this board, not the fact that they exist.

>>19318308
I thought you were leaving mate.
Wouldn't wanna defer to any pretentious intellects ITT.

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>>19318308
If you want synchronicity you can real Synchronicity: the acausal principle by Jung but prepared to be bored to tears and also strap in for some very pseudosciencey pseudoscience. My actual recommendation is to learn runes or tarot instead of doing the first thing I said

>>19318318
>My issue is the treatment of normies on this board
If you can't google terms you don't understand you're far lower than a normie.

Here, point out every term you're unclear on and I'll link you to "let me google that for you" links.

>>19318299

thats is interesting

perhaps x needs to find a common dictionary AND create our own words and store them somewhere for newfags

spoopy is a good example..

>>19318327
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R95A1jDwX_8

>>19318320
Well someone actually asked what was going through my head, and wasn't an arsehole about it?
So I answered :) Because it's interesting, and I'm wondering what people who actually know about the subject would have to say, beyond just googling in silence.

Maybe I just prefer to start at a more social place, who knows.

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>>19318274

I personally would suggest Secret Teachings of All Ages until you can figure out what tickles your fancy (which is in the beginners folder if I recall properly).

The community here is extremely toxic. Generally it is best to engage none of them and just use the library as a resource-- These people only wish to continue wallowing in their baseness, don't concern yourself with it.

The following is what I would suggest based upon my own biases and groove to create a well-rounded foundation-- Some of them are not in the library, and you may need to dig them up via libgen.

Suggested Reading List (In order):

Tao Te Ching
Zhuangzi
Lieh Tzu
Xing Yi Nei Gong
Falun Gong
Gurdjieff's 48 Exercises
Psychic Self Defense
The Doctrine of Awakening
Visual Magick
Kali Kaula
Practical Taoism
Secret Teachings of All Ages
Introduction to Magic
Revolt Against the Modern World
Ride the Tiger
A New Model of the Universe
Prometheus Rising
Low Magick
Corpus Hermeticum
Emerald Tablets of Thoth
Beelzebub's Tales To His Grandson
The Fourth Way
Nag Hammadi
Astral Dynamics
Burst of Breath
Euclid's Window
Chicken Qabalah
Awakening Ground
Sefer Yetzirah
One Year Manual
All Thelemic Grade A Materials
All Thelemic Grade B Materials
Book 4 Part 1 - Mysticism
Book 4 Part 2 - Magick
Book 4 Part 3 - Magick in Theory and Practice
Book 4 Part 4 - The Law
The Complete Golden Dawn System of Magic
Three Books of Occult Philosophy
The Psychick Bible
Liber Null
Condensed Chaos
Book of Lies
Book of Thoth
78 Degrees of Wisdom
The Way of the Crucible
Real Alchemy
Prime Chaos
Liber Kaos
Book of Abramelin (Dehn/Guth version *NOT* Mathers version which is the one in Ape's library)

>>19318336
>These people only wish to continue wallowing in their baseness, don't concern yourself with it.
youre a cheeky cunt arent you m8

>>19318327

>jung
>not telling people to learn about anagrams/ MBTI

it would be a better use of their times than fucking (((tarots))) and runes. that is stage magic used to throw off people trying to learn about the occult/ esotericism

>>19318327
Pages have been bookmarked, including the youtube link replied.
I'll see what I can find in physical book form.
Thank you :)

>>19318336
I'll start at the top and get to the bottom. I own a copy of the Petit Albert and a few folky works. But this will come in handy.
Appreciated :)

>>19318336
>Introduction to Magic
>Revolt Against the Modern World
>Ride the Tiger
>Emerald Tablets of Thoth
Zozzle.

>>19318353
yeah some of the books on that list are fucking memes

>>19318335
>Well someone actually asked what was going through my head, and wasn't an arsehole about it?
Why, in the name of god, do you present yourself as an asshole and not expect people to reply in kind?

If you can't take what you deal, maybe 4chan isn't the best place for you mate.

>>19318344
Esoterica, now that I know that word.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTrvmZVWB4U&list=PLDJVBWIe-p1BcVBM_fT8Sb1UyG-nfPf3P&index=9

My secularism can't bring me believe in Tarot readings and such, although I can almost guarantee it isn't as simple as guesswork. Stage magic is just illusionary, which can be interesting!

>>19318358
Any in particular you'd recommend?
Starting with a strong one might be easier than going through all the meme magic and getting fucked up from the start.

>>19318364

here is another word

semiotics - the study of symbols and associated meaning

>>19318367

how can you read book on this shit if you can't even understand the vocabulary (see concepts = memes = words ) they are using

>>19318364
>>19318367
Don't start with tarot or any of that shit. As much as I dislike Secret Teachings of All Ages, it's a decent introduction to a lot of different traditions. There's a bunch of bullshit in there, and manly hall can suck a dick, but it might be enough to try to point in the direction you want to go. Alternatively, you could look at Buddhism (cause of your "secular"ness), particularly Theravada (at first, because it is a sober introduction to buddhism). Or something.

>>19318376
Because with a book I can research as I go, on my own time?
And not have loads of conversations in which a certain degree of knowledge is expected.

You can study books. But conversations above your paygrade aren't the same thing.

>>19318385
>Because with a book I can research as I go, on my own time?
And what, exactly, prevents you from googling concepts that are unclear when you're NOT reading a book?

>>19318383
My knowledge of Buddhism is mostly Alan Watts, but that tends to be more general.
I'll see what I can grab online in regards to texts and reviews. Showmanship has its place, but it doesn't seem distinctly magical, at least not in some far-out way.

>>19318385

you first need to learn about the words and concepts they are describing

books and information across the board honestly need to be classified into beginning, intermediate and advanced comprehension, and should be written in such manners to prevent this shit

>>19318396
Alan Watts is pretty basic and superficial. Here, read this. It's short, and goes to the heart of buddhism:
https://www.urbandharma.org/pdf/4nobltru.pdf

>>19318344
Your loss fuckboi
>>19318332
>those who believe they are materialists
Lol
I love raw

Re that thing he's saying about altering magical words out of their syllabic framework, I have some Thoughts on your equinox notes if you want them

>>19318400
Nah, I understand how I've pissed some people off here. I am honestly at fault.
But stumbling in has given me some links, and some videos, and some books I'll order in the next days once I get my paycheck.

So it was helpful, as I much as I made an ass out of myself. I think I'll start with Yung in terms of the psychological, and older eastern (buddhist) texts in regards to the foundation of modern spiritualities.
Not all bad stuff, so thanks lad.

>>19318408
I asked my deck a question and I picked up the top card. It was the nine of faggots. It told me that Tarot is gay.

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>>19318406
Don't slander my dude I love Alan watts suhdamn much. Probably because of the copious amounts of lsd I've ingested in my lifetime yeah ok fine slander him

>>19318408

tarots and runes are designed for people with adhd who need to satisfy their urge to DO something while feeling like they are accomplishing something

aka underachievement

they also function as great honey traps to make sure those types don't sign any further, because they believe they have al the answers right in from of them, and they can impress their "friends" because that was the only reason why they actually cared int eh first place

fucking sensation seekers

>>19318424
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q54xeCVFg8I

>>19318424
It's not slander to call Watts basic. He might be a decent introduction to buddhism (depending on the disposition of the person who would be introduced), but thats about it.

>>19318428

fucking spell check

>*make sure those types don't dig any further

>>19318428
For someone saying so little you sure complain a LOT.

>>19318428
So, do you not believe in any sort of ritualism? Or, a way for someone to influence something beyond their control?

I'm curious as to whether you'd put ritualism in the same sensation seeking pot as tarots, runes, etc.

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>>19318424

Sometimes Music helps everyone get deeper into this shit..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O237jkoxbXg

Probably silly question - is the necronomicon nonsense?

>>19318439

I believe in the butterfly effect, which ritual can have on a microscopic/ atomic level, some impact

but Tarots and runes imply shit is predetermined from some spooky force, they are stage magic

Tarot and divination in general is a trap. It creates a self-fulfilling prophecy, which hijacks the will. What a waste.

>>19318450
Yes.
Simonomicon was probably written by Parfery, Wasserman, and/or Lavenda.

>>19318453
I'll agree with you there. Ritualism and even prayer can have a certain impact on the mental state and thoughts of an individual, which leads to their actions changing.

It's like a prophecy of belief. Something like the will to power, or a placebo effect that has an impact.

Assuming that is what you meant by 'some impact'.

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>>19318440

and then sometimes you just need to read Huxley and you can get an equal understanding of what x is all about...

>>19318469

by impact, I DO mean chaos theory, the death of a butterfly/ or the flap of its wings can cause a chain reaction of events that could lead to a hurricane or something (of course hurricanes form through different means, but still the metaphor remains)

>>19318417
Honestly the first half of this is a solid drag of me.

Second half, less so.

If I wasn't such a sensation seeker I'd just try and go the whole way wth zen where I started. But damned if I don't love sensation.

>>19318419
Oh really neato, i pulled the ace of wands. It told me you'd be better served with this dick in your mouth, speaking of sensation seeking. Open up anon.

The tarot is a symbol set, it's like learning a language. It provides a set of concepts that you can wield just like other words to accomplish your will.

>>19318453
I was going to write a more thoughtful reply to you but then I saw this. Oh no, she said. It's retarded...

>>19318484

you seem to be in the epicurean / hedonist sphere

>>19318484
It seems like quite a varied subject, so I get the sensational angle. I've been listening to say Watts, and meditating (in a secular way) for a long time, and adore the light physical sides of sprituality.

But Crowley had style xD No matter what you think of him. The more hedonistic, sensational, and folkish traditions are interesting in their own way. I guess the loyalty to either side comes down to the individual.

The tenants of say, Satanism, whether literal or just secular, seem very much opposed to Buddhist philosophy from what I know.

>>19318484
>"hey tarot, what does following my tradition have in store for me this year?"
>pulls cards
>"oh gee, it says that theres dark clouds coming up and that i should start sucking five dicks a day
>"i better start sucking a lot of dong and ignore my practice"
>starts smoking mad cock and doesnt have any time left for his actual practice
another victim of tarot

>>19318499
>seem very much opposed to Buddhist philosophy from what I know.
Meanwhile, Schrek and Zeena converted to Vajrayana and I've met no less than three Setians who started with Vajrayana.

>>19318501
Tarot, Yi King, etc. never, ever, says anything you don't already know.

Which card symbolizes "I should ignore my practice" again?

>>19318505
> "From what I know"

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>>19318501
>implying sucking dick can't be a practice

You boring anon

>>19318516
Masturbation is a form of magic.

>>19318509
>Which card symbolizes "I should ignore my practice" again?
all of them, if you read them wrong :^)

>>19318516
>thinks that sucking dick can be a practice
The OTO, everybody.

>>19318514
IJS there are a lot of "muh darque buddhism" fags out there.

>>19318522
Nah youre a filthy sensation seeker get outta here

>>19318537
Dick magic!
I'm just fucking with ya xD

>>19318533
Buddhism speaks a lot about escaping the cycle of suffering, whereas my main exposure to Satanism (Or the like) has been a very earthly, and cerebral thing. So maybe I was buying into the meme of satanic hedonism vs buddhist stoicism, if you can call it that.

I may be way off, but those principles didn't seem to align to me, at least basically.

>>19318549
>implying there isn't a ton of left hand path Buddhism

Don't talk about that which you know nothing of anon

>>19318558
I'm a bull in a china shop.

>>19318558
I think this anon is literally saying he'd mistakenly bought into a false binary on that front

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>>19318530

definitely a hedonist, should read more about north africa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrenaics

>>19318566
Based anon is based.
This has been a very helpful conversation. I've got a few points to begin at.
But, sleep calls.

Break the conditioning lads.
If anyone can do it, you can.

>>19318190
Book of kaos

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>>19318249
>Immanentize the eschaton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU4L6THYAbM

>>19318691
https://youtu.be/oTb9oqNMma4

>>19318509
I actually disagree with this. My teacher for example does horary astrology in such a way that proports to find objects lost. Like he found someone's cow with a horary reading.

>>19318729
I'd be hard pressed to call this a traditional divinatory operation.

>>19318736
Again, disagree with you. Traditional astrology is largely divinatory in nature, growing out of a Mesopotamian tradition of omen interpretation. I mean, modern astrology isn't that way, it's primarily psychological. But trad. astrology is super divinatory, especially horary, which is when you cast a chart of the sky at the moment the question is asked

>>19318752
>super divinatory
I.e. "above" a basic divination operation.
In some sense it's not unlike Agrippan triangulation on the Great Table, or the earth invokation/gnome evokation of Geomancy.

>>19318752
Or do you mean you'd be hard pressed to call looking for a cow a divinatory operation. Because then I still disagree haha, traditional divinatory operations were often oriented around agrarian matters

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>>19318729
>>19318736
Socrates sidestepped this with the "you dont learn you just remember" argument

something something Semantics something something you don't know how big your mind really is

>>19318761
I'm not sure how that's unlike the invocation of HRU that comes every time you use the Thoth deck even if you don't do it consciously

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A Full Course in Magic(k) from (Post-)Modern to Ancient by Anonymous

Freshman Year: (post-modern magic)
>Condensed Chaos, Prime Chaos, Chaos Protocols, Hands-On Chaos Magic, Liber Null & Psychonaut, Liber Kaos, Psybermahick, Apophenion, Octavio, Society of the Spectacle, Revolution of Everyday Life, Simulucra and Simulation

Sophomore year: (modern magic)
>The Magickal Revival, Liber ABA, Liber 777, Liber DXXVI, Book of Thoth, Book of Lies, Mystical Qabalah, Focus of Life, Book of Pleasure, Zos Speaks!, Geneaology of Morals, Beyond Good and Evil, This Spake Zarathustra

Junior year: (early modern magic)
>Complete Golden Dawn, Three Books of Occult Philosophy, History of Magic, Transcendental Magic, John Dee's Five Books of Mystery, Songs of Innocence and Experience, The Mirror of Simple Souls

Senior year: (ancient magic)
>Techniques of Graeco-Egyptian Magic, Techniques of Solomonic Magic, GMP, Encyclopedia Goetica, Iamblichus, Proclus, Plotinus, Aristotle, Plato, Pythagoreans and Presocratics

>>19318772
>invocation of HRU that comes every time you use the Thoth deck even if you don't do it consciously
This is closer to my meaning.

>>19318764
>>19318752
I'd also argue, that yes, you DID know who took the cow, even if only as an "un"conscious suspicion.
You just needed someone to CONFIRM it.

>>19318783
holy fuck my sides

>>19318783
>>Complete Golden Dawn, Three Books of Occult Philosophy, History of Magic, Transcendental Magic, John Dee's Five Books of Mystery, Songs of Innocence and Experience, The Mirror of Simple Souls
>Seven books for a year
Seven books doesn't even make a part time semester.

>>19318801
Niether condoning nor condeming the list of books, but...
Quality over quantity.

>>19318772
Think that was technically Plato employing Socrates in the dialogues not that it matters

Reminder to everyone here that belief in Advaita is a mental disorder.

>>19318810
>Quality over quantity
I mean, any given uni professor will take pains to offer both.

>>19318812
Dvaita scum fuck off

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>>19318783
I would make a strong argument that someone would be better served by reversing the chronology of this list, especially if they actually know how to read and research ancient texts.
>>19318812
>>19318826
>mfw Bhakti nuts show up in this thread

is this the part where you feed me Molly and tell me about Krisha Consciousness

>>19318845
>is this the part where you feed me Molly and tell me about Krisha Consciousness
god i sure hope so

>>19318786
I think I might have just straight missed your meaning then.

>who took the cow
In this instance there wasn't a who involved, this animal had wandered off to a far corner of the querants property and using the position of a planet in the horary chart, the astrologer told the person his best guess as to where it was, then the person went to look, found the cow. It's extremely material. Obviously this proves nothing, confirmation bias exists, also see your above article about false beliefs. It's just an example where the mind of the querant is taken entirely out of the equation.

>>19318801
In terms of practice, spending a year on each thematically makes sense. To a novice like me at least.

>>19318845
>>19318848

Can I come? Thank god ive found my fellow sensation seekers

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>>19318848
Fuck you Suparnakha, Sita is Bey

Begone Thot!

>>19318853
You would think so but once you really start working the stuff you need tends to find you and your carefully planned curriculum goes right out the window

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>>19318862
lol

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>Deuteronomy 15:6

>>19318232
>dictionary
Speaking of this I stumbled across this the other day it's extensive as all hell although I can't speak to its accuracy as I haven't read it
https://caennis.wordpress.com/lexicon-of-occult-terminology/

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>>19318910
Would you be a worthy vessel unto Our Lady? Brazen are you both in soul and
body. Cleanse the waters of the passions of your blood. Re-direct the channels
within the blood by known methods of fasting and yoga. Open the Eye ofVision
and visualize strongly before sleep. Three moons let the serpents in-dwell without
disturbance nor emission, unless it be consumed in the name of the Double-
Wanded One. This is a strict Rule of Art. Tes. One of the 8 and 90 rules. Don't
forget it. For this is true Chastity within the Chapel. Know you the difference
between the One and the Nine? Learn. It is the Seat of the Stars

>>19318783
>magick according to a theletubby
What a baby tier list.

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>>19318942
>magick according to a theletubby

That looks more like this:
http://www.the-equinox.org/vol3/eqv3n1/eq0301018.htm

I'm pretty sure contemporary A.A lineages have significantly more books added

Here's a spiritual exercise that I know I need and I'm sure everyone in this thread could benefit from:
http://www.ain23.com/topy.net/ending_neurosis.html

>>19318960
>trans-ego cybernetic control centre
Fucking TOPY.

>>19318794
What's so funny? I figured I would offer a full curriculum for the noob if he was still in the thread. I've read a lot of books over the years but those are the ones I come back to. Of course, I am a mushroom-munching cosplaying chaote larper so feel free to take my opinions with a heavy grain of salt.

>>19319082
>Of course, I am a mushroom-munching cosplaying chaote larper so feel free to take my opinions with a heavy grain of salt.
thats the thing, you start off a beginner with faggy postmodern chaos magickkk. thats just rude.

>>19319101
I think chaos magick preserves the high mysteries and art of magic in a new set of cyphers which are found more seductive by millenials like myself. Idk? But the years on the list work in any order. It's antifragile and gains from chaos. Hail Eris!

>>19319133
>chaos magick preserves the high mysteries and art of magic
>millenials
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyPaJSGDqS0

>>19319240
https://youtu.be/k7xclaa4vyc

>>19319337
wat

>>19319351
https://youtu.be/kr06oVDOreo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iagjmjF3buI

I know you guys shit on people who do candle magick, but I have a question and I hope you all can give me an honest answer. So my usual spot for buying candles got shut down. I hopped over to my other option that didn't have the candle color I needed in the size I usually get it in. Anyways, I ended up having to get a larger candle. The lady told me it had a three hour burn time MAX. I was like Eh, okay. This motherfucker has been burning for 6 hours and hasn't even begun to melt over the side. WHAT DO?! I have to fucking go to work soon. Can I extinguish the candle without fucking up my spell? Pls help and pls no bully

>>19319807
What is the purpose of the ritual? Have you considered that your will may have placed you in this situation and the extra long burning candle is a message re: intent?

>>19319814
My intent was to open a line of communication. It was a simple spell just to encourage (not force) someone to talk with me about something that hurt us both. We've both been sitting on the pain for a year now and I heard through the grapevine that they miss me a lot but they don't think we could ever speak again. I don't have any way to reach out to them and out one mutual friend doesn't feel comfortable being the middle man at all. :/