/omg/ Occultism & Magick General

>>18972212
Bump.
Not sure what happened to the other one.
Watch your language because they are now banning people for that too.

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Bump. Happy Sabbath guys.

>>18972233
Are you Muslim? Or outside of the U.S.?

>>18972212
Happy Cinco de Mayo

>>18972262
>972262▶
>>>18972212 (OP)
Hey that's right I forgot! What spooky occult shenanigans will you guys be getting into this evening?

I have an interesting experience to relate that I would like to know if anyone has shared...

>>18972274
So, I was invoking the Lux prior to Lesser invoking hexagram rite and Bornless, and at the moment of "IAO" I began to feel kind of like I had taken a mild hallucinogen, and had a distinct vision of three Hebrew letters above me...I guess they manifested astrally or some such thing...they were glowing a greenish blue. Anyone have this happen before?

>>18972281
That really only just means the shit's working.

If you're not getting that sort of effect with rites lower down the totem pole you need to work on that.

>>18972302
I mean, I've just never had it so intense. I usually feel like an electric sort of feeling from the Qabalistic cross and the Analysis of key word, I have never felt like I was tripping, though. So, maybe I'm getting better, or..?

The letters were Lamed, Yodh, and either Kaph reversed or Qoph without the vertical. Couldn't make much of it, but the whole 60 and 140 gave me a bit of insight

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>>18972259
No just keep forgetting it's still Friday, usually at work but was given the day off and I'm pretty blazed, my apologies.

>>18972302
Ape, in the last thread I noticed someone commented that one should use the dagger for both the pentagram and hexagram rites...now I have heard three different things from three different people... I'm assuming that what you told me-wand for both unless on the mental plane- is the standard OTO/A.'.A.'. procedure?

>>18972319
>Lamed, Yodh, and either Kaph
Interesting:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib400.htm

How do glamours work?

>>18972331
Wand is standard *grimoire*.
Dagger is standard *GD*.
Sword is standard *order*

And you can mix it up; spears, scourges, etc.

I don't like blades because their default symbolism is of the mind.

>>18972336
Hmm...

I just finished downloading the rest of (mostly) the Linda Schele series on Pre-Colombian America. Thinking of taking the old entries and making a new folder.

>>18972344
>*GD*

??

Thanks in advance

>>18972367
Golden Dawn; the Elemental Dagger.

>>18972367
Golden Dawn

Was going to try a summoning as in the /sum/ pastebin.

What's the reason for trying to summon at a time that mercury is rising or peaking? I assume it gives better results than the classic X days after a full moon? It will be quite a wait for the spirit I want to summon.

Also do the spirits not get pissed off at the whole "Behold your conclusion if you be disobedient" thing? Wanting to summon Marbas without getting buttraped.

>>18972336
Oh hey ape, I saw your pic uou actually look heaps like my brother its uncanny.

Do you collect staffs as well as books?

Are there any good occult discords or IRCs where a newbie can pester legit magicians with questions?

>>18972389
Because evoking the planet makes your control over the entity stronger, and your planetary rite will be stronger when your planet pops the horizon or hangs at its throne.

>Behold your conclusion if you be disobedient"
If you're doing things right the entity should be pliant and agreeable; ready to take instruction and quickly fuck off. You really only need to escalate if they do.

If you're getting to the third oration you need to revise your tech as something making you entity pissy.

>>18972399
Fuck discord.
I dunno which IRC rooms are still actually functional.

>>18972396
>implying any pic some shitposter grabs to make ebin maymays with is me.

>>18972418
>that's you unless you prove otherwise.
http://desuarchive.org/his/thread/2668534/#2673407

>>18972409
If someone is desperate, I'm assuming they can still evoke at any time, but maybe not get as great results?

>>18972426
Hell you still may get great results really depends on your level of skill. I've done a lot of freeform Lemegeton. Following the 'rules' gets me marginally more satisfactory results.

>>18972430
So what book should I read?

>>18972424
Is that picture of you and the staff from that thread?

>>18972438
I dunno, what are you interested in?

>>18972446
Its him, trust me

>>18972322
LeL I can relate. I was like, Hmmm, who celebrates their holy day on Fridays? Pretty sure it's tha Mohammedans

>>18972450
I liked goosebumps as a child, any recommendations?

>>18972459
I thought we were talking about Lemegetonic/Solomonic traditions.

>>18972464
No I am! I just don't know where to start, what are some rituals you have read in books that you do and worked?

>>18972430
I'm thinking of going up to an old rock quarry that exploded back in WW1 and evoking there...there are some great, out-of-the-way spots that I could just chalk my circle onto...what are the potential consequences of having someone stumble upon me mid-rite, even though I highly doubt I would break concentration? Is concentration really the only thing to worry about, or are there more potential issues if this does happen?

>>18972468
You're gonna want to learn The banishing and invoking rites, and become accustomed to them for about a year, before you hit up dat Lemegeton.
>goosebumps
Is that the last book/series you read?

>>18972469
>what are the potential consequences of having someone stumble upon me mid-rite,
You keep going.
Maybe start in on the pseudo-latin.
Get creepy with it so they fuck off.

>are there more potential issues if this does happen?
I mean not really unless it's the cops coming to tell you to fuck off back to your own (((property))).

>>18972472
No I also read, the lion the witch and the wardrobe.

I want to jump in thr deep end, I'm cool and shit, I watch supernatural, I know how to deal with demons

>>18972409
This was helpful, thanks.

>Because evoking the planet makes your control over the entity stronger, and your planetary rite will be stronger when your planet pops the horizon or hangs at its throne.
Is there any reason why mercury in specific does this?

>>18972476
Ok cool, AFAIK it's public property, but I know a lot of kids go up to drink and get high...I mean, so do I, but only for a change of scenery. The cops have been known to show up, but I don't think they would be able to figure out what to charge me with. That's a great idea on the creepy $#!+...thanks!!!!!!

>>18972482
>Is there any reason why mercury in specific does this?
It's just an example, I link you to all the shit you need to work the planets. The Hours. Software recommendations. Image with all the Lemegetonic correlations.

Go to town mate.

>>18972476
I'm thinking of making a staff as well thoth, did you make your own, I'm sure a man of your status did

>>18972489
That chart looks hand drawn. Did you do that, or did the guy you created it with do that? Or neither?

>>18972493
>93
It's from Runyon, probably the most useful thing the man's ever done.

>>18972480
I'm assuming this is trolling, but if you haven't even cracked open a textbook since Goosebumps, I would try to get a bit more of a literary background before reading the grimoires.

>>18972499
What, I'm not trolling I want to read some spooky stuff and cast some spells and rituals

>>18972507
>>/Wicca/

Would it be foolish for a complete noob to follow that summoning pastebin? If I just practice the banishing ritual a few times will it be fine or would the spirits still be able to fuck with or ignore a noob?

>>18972512
>my thread
Does this officially make me your sycophant, then? Still awaiting my shirt.

I Love that meme. Is this photoshopped, or an actual book title?

>>18972518
you're probably not going to be able to banish OR invoke effectively, but that's just my guess cuz I never tried as a n00b

What is the point of evoking something if its really just all in your head and fighting demons is nothing more than battling your own shortcomings and learning life lessons

>>18972531
Many would argue that's *not* what it 'just' is. Almost any non-armchair theorist, in fact, should believe the opposite, from experience.

>>18972535
That's cause some [TRIGGERED] anon who started a '-kinesis' thread was all flustered about not being too smart, and being called out on it, and is now going up to 100% auts.

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>>18972535
Nope.
You just keep spamming it because you're some retarded quasi literate bogan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmL72sgVdAQ

>>18972531
>2017
>psychological model
I'll just use Lon Milo's cop out and say "you don't know how big your head is".

Also pic related.

>>18972544
Can you curse people? And what's a bogan

>>18972556
Watch ye mouth around here heathen

>>18972544
Thoth does meme magics work? How would one go about doing it?

>>18972573
"No."

>>18972579
I think it does.......

>>18972544
>I'll just use Lon Milo's cop out and say "you don't know how big your head is".

To which I would counter, you don't know the full use of it.

What is the point of summoning, through visual and physical means, a direct relation to your conscious if you already have a direct line to it?

>>18972586
Why ask a question if you have your mind set on the answer?
>>>/b/

>>18972544
Ape, have you ever attended an 'astral lodge'?

>>18972591
The implication, I think, is that there does not appear to be a direct line to some of these aspected conglomerates.

But I repeat:
>2017
>psychological model

>>18972599
No comment.

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>>18972586
>>18972573
>>18972548
>>18972554
Oh look, you again!

>>18972599
>not etheric

>>18972621
I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. You wanna clarify?

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>>18972606
Why is every goofy moron in /x/ suddenly dead set on these threads after like a year of relative peace and quiet?

>>18972607
Yes, a thirty something southwest amerind is actually a babyfaced blonde kid you yanked from some google search.

You do realize this is like the fifth time I've been false dox'd, yes? Some morons have said I'm everyone from a girl to some poor californian named Jason Miller to an arab to god knows what.

I'm sure in a few months you guys are gonna find me as some Jap in the Tokyo suburbs or some shit.

>>18972631
Someone commented on an OP pic of Abramelin, and a bunch of others in a thread. For the Abramelin one
>Santa prefers the moon
I couldn't stop laughing. Don't know why I found it so funny

>>18972636
The fuck are you talking about

>>18972636
I don't understand why people would even try to do that. Probably the same mature and well-thought-out reasons they dox their exes and the mentally ill.

>>18972636
>Why is every goofy moron in /x/ suddenly dead set on these threads after like a year of relative peace and quiet?

>suddenly
Your threads have ended up in 'magick doesnt real' for the last 4 years.

>>18972650
Probably.

>>18972648
It's been something like a year since we've had a dedicated spammer get lodged ITT.

>>18972636
>You do realize this is like the fifth time I've been false dox'd, yes? Some morons have said I'm everyone from a girl to some poor californian named Jason Miller to an arab to god knows what.
>I'm sure in a few months you guys are gonna find me as some Jap in the Tokyo suburbs or some shit.

Dude you're just /x/'s own manifested ritual tulpa.

>>18972656
At post your "source" if you are going to insist it's him.It just looks like you are grabbing pics off Facebook and posting randoms.

>>18972671
So, to get this back on topic, drinking alcohol before ritual, provided you don't actually *need* it for any reason, is essentially just invoking Had, right? No harm in that?

>>18972680
No more than one mouthful as needed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvbctTRpD0A

>>18972695
>as needed
Sure thing.

>>18972680
>>18972695
I got this ritual called blackout where you start with 5 shots of everclear and hail Bacchus

>>18972695
To be clear, what I meant by "don't need it" was like, you don't get the DT's from abstaining or aren't man enough to face an entity sober, or other such silly things.

>>18972730
If you got the DTs then a star ruby won't save that shitshow.

>>18972730
lmfao DTs

good luck holding the wand straight faggot

>half a gb of Amerind shit
Really it's long overdue.

>>18972734
Mang, I guess I'm still not being clear. I DON"T get the DT's, nor am I an alcoholic, and I have no problem facing the spirits sober...therefore, is it ok for me to become mildly intoxicated before a rite, whether it be alcohol or whatever else? Or does this just lead me back to your original answer?
>WAHH I suck at the interweb communication

>>18972742
>Or does this just lead me back to your original answer?
Yes.

>>18972745
So where does like, taking psychedelics become more acceptable than alcohol? Is it because they act on different parts of the brain to extremely different effect?

>>18972747
Most psychedelic effect gets centered on pyramidal cascades of the 5-HT2a receptor.

Booze goes to town on dopamine and GABA.

It becomes more acceptable when it's applicable or called for.

>>18972747
He knows next to nothing about psychedelics, he just reads a lot of books, no real experience

>>18972758
OK. Thanks man. I uhh...may have violated that a bit. Really only with banishings and Resh though, because sometimes I find myself intoxicated when solar midnight rolls around.

>>18972763
Yeah it's not like he posted photographic evidence with a timestamp or anything. Keep indulging in your fantasy, though, It's GOOD for ya, maann.

>>18972763
I've been taking psychedelic compounds for fifteen years.

Couple dozen LSD experiences.
Countless DMT.
MDMA
MDA
Analogs of the above.
2-CE
2-CI
4-aco-met
I'm a grower of mushrooms using Ye Olde Hawk's Eye.
Ololiuqui
Hawaiian Baby Woodrose.
Etc.

>>18972778
Ololiuqui makes me sick as hell. How do you get past it?

>>18972782
>>>
> Anonymous 05/05/17(Fri)19:26:27 No.18972782 ▶
>>>18972778
Also,
>couple dozen
I know it's not a competition, but if it was, I would win! Only in that category though. MAYYBE in MDMA too.

>>18972782
I don't.
HBW are less harsh. They're also more "intoxicating".
Don't listen to the memes about the shell.
They're just hard to pass. Nothing more, nothing less.

>>18972787
Good acid is hard to find where I'm at.
Mind you many of those experiences were in the two to ten hit range.
I'm sure I'm forgetting a laundry list of compounds I've tried or had handed to me as an anonymous white powder in a gelcap at this or that shindig.

>>18972791
Thanks. I'm looking for something light for my girl to try for her first time, but I don't want her to get really sick. Maybe I'll just go with fungus. What do you think about the Amanitas ? i've never tried them. This is all for mystical purposes btw, so very much on topic

>>18972796
>2-10 hit range
Now you're speaking my language! Yeah those unidentifiable powders have mixed results.

>>18972798
>What do you think about the Amanitas ?
Not for newfriends.

Let her chew/suck on like five or six HBW seeds. Probably five if she's not used to body load. That'll put her in the headspace without much in the way of visual.

>>18972798
Just stick with psilocybin.
At least she won't puke. :(

>>18972778
You know I expected you to have Mescaline in there.

I'm doing a ritual soon...12+ hours in a tipi

>>18972804
OK cool. I'll look online. You know of a reliable seller? One place I found them is primarily accepting c.o.d. and you have to fill out some weird form for c.c. and that makes me suspicious.

>>18972804
>Let her chew/suck on like five or six HBW seeds. Probably five if she's not used to body load. That'll put her in the headspace without much in the way of visual.

>not making LSAemonade

>>18972807
If I could get it cooked down a bit I would. Maybe I'll look up some chocolate recipes. First time I had psilochocolate was like a shorter duration acid. I feel like she would still get sick from the raw mushroom

>>18972807
Psicubes make a lot of people barf.
I don't even get nauseous.

>>18972808
I've left it off as I think what I had was dubious or a different compound.
That said I managed to run around the 2-C class a bit so I don't feel like I'm missing too much.

>>18972809
Is bouncing bear still around.

>>18972813
That's a thing but it's still rough on a virgin stomach.

>>18972815
>cooked down
>not making blue honey

>>18972815
Whaaat?
Nah.
They taste like pretzels and cow shit but she won't puke.
Make sure she has a sprite or something like that lemon/lime chaser.
We used to use SunDrop in my day.
If she's never done anything before, just trust me.
She's gonna hate it if you give her something hard that makes her puke.

>>18972817
>I've left it off as I think what I had was dubious or a different compound.
>That said I managed to run around the 2-C class a bit so I don't feel like I'm missing too much.

If you have another chance, go to mescaline immediately. Sulfate or hcl or whatever.

I am not looking forward to eating all these extra tannins from cactus, tea and a powder that looks like dried up tea or something. That being said I hope to reach a point where my desire to reach certain areas of my mind isn't fully tossed into air by the amount of material it would take to get me there. I don't want to have to eat a shitton of cactus to get to what one hit of dmt would do.

>>18972823
I'm not going to trust you, because I have extensive experience with mushrooms, and I very likely know my girlfriend of 3 years' stomach a WEE bit better than you. Thanks, though.

>>18972815
Do not heat psilocybin ffs.

>>18972823
>SunDrop
There's some nostalgia.

>>18972835
you've never seen mushroom goo?

>>18972829
From what I read it's not a particularly difficult compound to isolate if you've got some experience around the DMT lab, let alone more janky compounds.

>>18972842
I have but it is generally done very carefully. Just don't go flaming your precious psychoactives kids. You'll be dissapoint.

>>18972833
Well, in the end it's her choice not yours.
Just remember that.
Have you even asked this girl what she wants to try???

Thinking of summoning a wealth giving spirit like Bune.
Is there anything that affects how much you can get from them?
Wondering why there are not a lot of millionaire wizards.

>>18972845
It's not. This tipi ritual is taking place as part of a Native American church.

Many traditions don't seem hip to analogues, extractions, etc. They stick to the old stuff they know.

>>18972852
>Mayan Astrotheology
>Mayan death rites
>Mayan cave rites
>Wari death rites
>Zapotec mythic genealogies
>Moche death rites
>Mayan water rites
All next update.

>>18972526
What happens if I don't banish effectively?

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>>18972862

Does being in the southern hemisphere change anything about using stars/planets in rituals?
Something ike flipping whether you face north or south

>>18972882
Sure does.
Inverts your solstices.
Don't get the northern pole but gain the southern and a few constellations.
Errybody should get the Behenian Fixed Stars tho.

>>18972344
What do you prefer to use?

>>18972894
Wand.

>>18972212
Would it be stupid to attempt Goetia without reading Solomon? All of my information on summoning Goetia and the spirits themselves have been from the internet.

Is there a mistake on line 83 of the /sum/ pastebin?

Do you want to summon when the entity's planet is at it's apex, or when mercury is at it's apex?

Is there a school of magic, or a part of a school of magic, that sets out a routine for the initiate to move past things such depression and procrastination? As in, it won't work unless you follow the "conditioning" and aren't fucked in the head? I'm worried about delving into something without being grounded, and I also like the idea of a conditioning period for any school of practice.

>>18972911
For the second time, mercury is the example we're using, and each entity has a different planet.

It is important to get pronounciation of the Hebrew names correct, or is english transliterations enough? Does accent matter?

>>18972929
Ok thanks, I think i get it now. It looks like the planet switching from venus to mercury is a mistake then

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>>18972367
>>18972371
>>18972372
GD is so colorful

>>18972926
A big part of the banishing and meditating in most courses is to help you enter a different frame of mind when starting a magic rite. Meaning at least you shouldnt be depressed or whatever during the ritual.
Procrastination is more troublesome ofcourse as it will make actually starting the ritual harder.

>>18972961
>venus to mercury
God fucking damn it, still?

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>>18972862
>all dem death rites

I still havent finished reading that jstor thing on mami wata, Im never going to get to sleep.

>>18972983
Man if people apply .1% effort to trolling you it is a success

>>18973005
?
I'm referring to my own idiocy in not finishing the pastebin cleanup.

>>18972989
Send link, please.
If it's online.

>>18973029
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3337422?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

You'll need to register and get a Jstor account (it's worth it). If you end up with more than three books on your shelf (you almost certainly will) you can make a second account with a different email and keep rolling.

>>18973029
http://www.jstor.org/stable/3337422?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

>>18973050
>not having an alumni account

>>18973050
>>18973057
Got it - thanks.

>>18973060
I's not edumicated with all such high book lernin and oh-fishul doctorin type knowlege missah thoth,
I aint neva had no alumni sorta nothin.

>>18973095
IJS at the point where you start reading the academic lit for fun you should maybe consider getting the easy degree because you're already doing the work - may as well get an NSF grant to keep doing it.

>>18973107
I've been reading the academic lit for fun since I was 16, college was never an option really, I got sucked into a scam trade school and never tried again.
>NSF grant
wouldnt even know where to start...

Is Joseph Lisiewski's stuff on evocation legit?

>>18972212
This file is only one page with the index:
A.'. A.'. Expanded, Organized, and Revised by a Student of the System\Thelema\The Word as Power (Being and Non-Being) by Frenando Pessoa.pdf

is there a point to summon a spirit and not request anything?

>>18972855
Think of the success of a spell as an equation like chances of success = destiny + (effort * power). Destiny is what you were meant for, if you were meant for wealth chances are you'll get it. Effort is the effort you put into the spell like making sure planets are in the right position and the moon phase is perfect. Power is the inherent power of the spell (ie some Wiccan shit off spells.com probably not the best. Tho some ancient spells aren't good either).

>>18973813
It's a bit like calling someone and not speaking. Not very polite. But good practice. You could summon a being and then not request something but still offer soemthing to them / offer to do them a favor.

Tested out some sigil magic, it actually worked. Any more information on this?

>>18972399
Not really. We used to hang out in #thelema @ Rizon, but it's been pretty dead for a while now.

>>18972544
>implying Jung's ignorance of the modern understanding of the mind is an excuse to mainline spirits

It's not.

Now, sure, there are phenomena which we can cause. A significantly more likely explanation than spirits is simple telepathy, which the CIA repeatedly proved, over and over again.

Now this doesn't mean that spirits 'don't exist'.

All I am saying is, most likely:
99% of magick altogether is physical, well-known brain stuff.
99% of the remaining 1% can be explained with telepathy alone.
The remaining 0.0001% *might* be spirits, but it doesn't have to.

And while I agree that the psychological model misses a lot of important points... the neuropsychological one doesn't.

>>18974460
>the neuropsychological one doesn't.
Except it misses all of the ethnographic data that the psych model does.
Almost got my master's in neuro. Still doesn't convince me. Mostly because of the phenomenology of alterity.

>>18974473
Why would you need ethnographic data, when realistically all you need to take into account is fundamental neurological functions, and an understanding of how the various parts of the brain (namely the Limbic System and the Neocortex) interact?

I mean, sure, you can overlay whatever on top of it, however the core mechanism remains the same across all humans.

As far as the "other"... I don't know. It's not been part of my work for a long time now, as I've moved more into doing business than magic.

>>18974483
>Why would you need ethnographic data
Because rejecting the perspective and culture of the experiencee lops off half of the interesting material, particularly that which doesn't jive with our modern mechanistic understandings.

>fundamental neurological functions
And we still ain't got 'em between PET and fMRI.
I got like seven books on the nuerological model. None of them parse alterity. For what reason can we have a compound with the exact same profile of receptor agonism, particularly w/r/t 5-HT2a, and one produces alterity and one does not? Obviously due to factors outside of the chemical profile.

I ain't saying the neuro shit's not efficacious and interesting - nor that the spirit model is the end all be all.

I'm saying they're ALL weak in their own ways and it's probably best to reject models writ large in favor of literal holism to the point where model strengths and weaknesses cover each other into consistency.

>>18974489
>For what reason can we have TWO compounds with the exact same profile
I mean this is the hard question of the neuro side; it can't be minor chemical differences at the atomic level as analogous compounds have the same display. Can't be pathway selection because pyramidal cascade is a system wide and amplifying phenomenon. Can't be region targeting because see previous reason plus fMRI and PET data.

This brings me back to my strange feelpinion that the chemicals themselves house spirits.

>>18974493
Is there an ultimate truth?

>>18974489
>Because rejecting the perspective and culture of the experiencee lops off half of the interesting material, particularly that which doesn't jive with our modern mechanistic understandings.

I'm really not sure that's the case. Furthermore, while I can appreciate the value of modeling and emulating stuff from history, it doesn't really introduce anything of functional value without a shit-ton of work, which makes the effort very, very expensive.

>>fundamental neurological functions
>And we still ain't got 'em between PET and fMRI.

So... neuroplasticity, memory recall. Those two make up at least 80-90% of what's used in magick/ persuasion.

To say that we don't understand them is a bit weird, since we do understand them quite well, especially from a practical angle.

>I'm saying they're ALL weak in their own ways and it's probably best to reject models writ large in favor of literal holism to the point where model strengths and weaknesses cover each other into consistency.

Sure, agreed. However keep in mind that I haven't done magick, nor has it called to me in years. While I can appreciate the cultural value of it, it hasn't really brought me one, or even half a step forward with my life, when compared to focusing on more actionable methods.

>>18974493
While interesting, how does this translate to practical applications in eliciting real-world phenomena?

How to make occult wand?
Advice the good literature on this subject.
Maybe you made the wand? Talk about you method

Any LHP practicioners in?

>>18974497
I'm never in these threads, but its funny you ask that, I actually liked this chair that was always hanging around as a kid. Had a little sun on the top 3 legs small stool.

It broke, so I just grabbed one of the legs and started carving it, didn't know what was it was going to be. Grooved out some holes, placed crystals and shit in them, painted it. Got some material around it and stuff. I call it a dream stick.

I don't really sit there trying to cast spells with it but.

>>18974496
>While interesting, how does this translate to practical applications in eliciting real-world phenomena?
Are you telling me an entity coalescing from the aethyr to tickle your nutsack isn't a real world phenomenon?

I dunno, show me a nine or so valid Adepts with decent handle on the powers implied by the grade and we'll start pilot testing the extent of 'reality leverage'.

>>18974497
Single stroke from a tree. Sigilize/treat as needed.
https://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib412

>>18974510
>>18974507

What do you think of this method anon, serious question.

>>18974502
East and West here.

>>18974496
>more actionable methods.
tell me more?

>>18974510
>Are you telling me an entity coalescing from the aethyr to tickle your nutsack isn't a real world phenomenon?

Fair point. Yet it has no bearing on anyone beyond the practitioner. Once we get into telepathy/ large-scale influence territory, that's when things are going to get interesting.

>I dunno, show me a nine or so valid Adepts with decent handle on the powers implied by the grade and we'll start pilot testing the extent of 'reality leverage'.

I don't believe there are such people. Shit, I've put in the work over nearly a decade, and I don't even believe I've worked up to 3=8, no less 5=6.

I'm sure you can see why I'm frustrated with the topic - it has had a massive negative influence on me over time, and while interesting and informative, my results were at best dismal.

>>18974512
>>18974507
Yo, was being serious. What do you think?

>>18974511
Found objects are alright.
Probably not to great for evoking grimoire shit.

>>18974512

You practice LHP eastern, Ape?

I wanna know more about the LHP (esp sexual) eastern paths and if I can get a few good recs on books, all the merrier.

Btw, wasn't you the guy they doxxed?

>>18974518
Read Cialdini's "Influence" for a start.

Also don't buy into hype-fests such as the 48 Laws of Power. They are for dickwads, and *will* fuck all of your relationships up rapidly.

>>18974523
Everything in my Eastern>Saivism>Abhinavagupta/Uttara Kaula Trika files.
Kiss of the Yogini in Sexual Magick.
Everything in my Vajrayana folder(s).

>>18974524
>Also don't buy into hype-fests such as the 48 Laws of Power. They are for dickwads, and *will* fuck all of your relationships up rapidly.
I was fine smoking on 48 Laws.
I will agree that it fucks up plebs who think they're gonna be the modern Sun Tzu after a quick skim.

>>18974535
My problem with it is that it's a hype-fest on one hand, marketed as THE BOOK FOR EVERYONE... while at the same time being explicitly written towards the more intellectual crowd.

Now, it's good for the strategy part, but it's just outperformed by literally any book on tactics (such as Cialdini's "Influence", or Teppo Holmqvist's "Persuasion").

And if you have the latter, and marginal consistency in what you do, you don't really need the former, unless you're a jackass.

>>18974521
Ape what's a mild hallucinogen, that doesn't taste too awful and can be made into a tea?

Am I searching for something that doesn't exist?

>>18974538
>Holmqvist's "Persuasion
Good stuff.

>>18974543
Yeah, I was talking to the guy recently. Some weird beliefs, like energy-work, but I guess it works anyway.

>>18974263
Liber Null and Psychonaut is the book for it.
You could try reading The Book of Pleasure, but its really difficult to understand

>>18974542
Tryptamine alkaloids are bitter. Period. Except maybe LSD if it's super duper clean.

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>>18974493
Mescalito?
Everything on Earth has a spirit, in one form or another?
That's the "first rule" of Animism.
I firmly believe that - not just thinking it's a good idea - a firm belief.

>>18974495
I think we'll know more when we crack the "Theory of Everything" that Einstein was chasing but never caught.

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>>18974545
>The Book of Pleasure, but its really difficult to understand
Chumbley helps!

>>18974550
>Mescalito?
Eeeeeyup.
The DMT spirits aren't from another dimension, they're from inside the molecule.

As above, so below.

>Theory of Everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbRVnC92sMs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFcQuEw0oY8

>>18974547
Happen to know of a recipe that masks the taste?

>>18974554
Put mushrooms in mouth, chew. They taste fucking great, like a freeze dried snack.

>>18974560
I think the dude you're replying to is the one hunting for something "palatable" for his gf.

>>18974554
JUST MAKE BLUE HONEY GODFUCKINGDAMN.

>>18974545
>>18974551
Thanks.

Also, any significance to the number 222? It was related to the result. Another thing; I did the sigil for somebody else, so I could rule out any subjective psychosomatic influence. Does this happen with sigils? I haven't fully ruled out coincidence, but it's rather odd.

>>18974564
I'm not. Thanks though.

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>>18974564
It doesn't matter how 'palatable' it is, it's either going to give you the shits or it isn't. Besides, they taste just like those hipster veggie chips that white girls pretend to love, only better because it's denk mushroom umami.

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>>18974554
Lol depends on what it is....
Sundrop?
Chocolate?
Ginger root to clear the taste off you pallete.
Then, there's the dirty LSD we used to eat off sweet tarts in my day - nothing could help that flavor.
But I had a great interaction with a little kitchen mouse in my friend's cabin.
Good times.
I've never had a bad memory from hallucinogens like I've had from uppers or downers.
But, it's been a looooong time - for reasons.

do you guys have a discord

>>18974591
Fuck discord.

>>18974592
I agree, I was just curious

Hail Lucifer, you're faggots.

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>>18974604
>Luciferian calling people studying Grimorium Verum and the Confession of Urbain Grandier fags.
K.

>>18974580
I haven't done any drugs, ever. But since you guys were talking about it I figured I'd try.

>>18974610

Why do you assume I have anything to do with cults ?

>>18972535

That can't be ape, it looks too green, too soft and too RPy.

>>18974567
pls respond

>>18974615
>historical documents
>"cults"
K.

>>18974507

This sounds like the best idea ever, but my approval doesn't mean shit.

>>18974627

Have a free bump.

You call me Luciferian, I ask why you think that. Your anti-biblical fiction made your brain soft, friend.

>>18974624
http://www.billheidrick.com/works/hgm2/hg0220.htm#222

>>18974632
Not asking for it, just bored and thought I would share, because that anon asked just as I entered the thread.

>>18972974

From a certain angle, the other three are just camouflage for the wand.

>>18974633
>You call me Luciferian, I ask why you think that

>>18974604
>Hail Lucifer

I don't know anyone who says "hail lucifer" that's not a Luciferian.

>>18974642

Someone that idealizes the luciferian archetype ?

I also say things like "in Lucifers name" or "by Prometheus!". It pisses normies off. They're a hive beyond repair.

>>18974604

"Hail" Lucifer?

I sure hope that salute isn't a demonstration of subservience

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>>18974646
K.

>>18974647

I do not kneel before anyone. No man nor "god".

>>18974639
Of course you aren't and that's great, that part was for that someone asking about what we think about that "method".

What do you guys do, when you're not reading books, and practicing magic?

>>18974646
>They're a hive beyond repair.
You're beyond repair.

>>18974647
It is.

>>18974651
Keep on bullshitting yourself.

>>18974655
Working. I've been doing 18 hour days recently.

Minus breaks, that's about 16 hours of straight work.

>>18974654
Its cool as well, because I carved this little, figure also, when I was younger, out of a big crayon, I made a little hole for him and put him in there to.

>>18974655
Homework.
Curation/HR.
Fucking.
Long walks in the wooded cliffs.
Weed smokin'.
4chan postin'.

>>18974655
>Working. I've been doing 18 hour days recently.
>Minus breaks, that's about 16 hours of straight work


Sucks anon. 18 hours buddy for real, I feel for you

>>18974660
Yeah, gotta hussle hard brah.

It'll pay off eventually.

>>18974659
How often you smoke weed?

>>18974657

Why're you so butthurt ? Do you feel insulted by someone that actually does not confine itself with deluded cultist faggotry ?

Don't miss your anti-Trump ritual on Twitter.

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>>18974613
Don't do something just because everyone else does it.
Don't demean yourself like that.
Do your own thing.
Your own thing is just as good if not BETTER than anyone else's.
Wait until you're ready and it's YOUR idea.
Then try something new.
Don't just jump off the cliff because all the other lemmings are going that way.

I'm not being sarcastic or facetious - or anything.
I really think that your brain is fine just the way it is, until you're ready and it's your idea.

I say this because I care.
Honestly, there's a fluffy caramel center inside this Iron shell.
And, I want you to succeed and be the best that you can be.

>>18974663
Always does man, I did the hard yards, now I'm reaping my rewards

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>>18974664
All day every day.
Literally.

>go to class high
>go to work high
>go to ritual high
>high while doing homework
>high while hiking
>high while posting
>high while fucking
>4.0

>>18974665
Heh.

>>18974667
>Don't do something just because everyone else does it.
>Don't demean yourself like that.
>Do your own thing.
>Your own thing is just as good if not BETTER than anyone else's.
>Wait until you're ready and it's YOUR idea.
>Then try something new.
>Don't just jump off the cliff because all the other lemmings are going that way.


I agree with this, but don't pass it up if it comes your way,

>>18974655
Work. Sleep. Grindr. Tv/movies. Video games. Family.

>>18974667
Thank you PaloChan <3

>>18974657
>Working. I've been doing 18 hour days recently.
What do you do? Shit, I only did shit like that during harvest season on my family farm, and in accounting when we prepared for annual reports and audits.

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>>18974655
Magic/Spiritual all day every day.
It's a lifestyle choice.
Coffee - all day. A constantly revolving brewing of coffee, and drinking of coffee.
Work - slaving away at the Salt mine, vying and struggling for the promotion to R&D that I've been promised that never materializes.
Navigating dealing with my family who never quite get it, and who I honestly feel little emotional attachment to.
Doing necessary superficial things to keep up with appearances of normality - getting my hair done, getting my nails done, and so on.
But, in the middle there's long walks in the woods appreciating the beauty of the Spirit of the physical world.
And, in the words of Sevis, lots of banging sticks and bones together.
And howling into the void.

I'd rather quit my job, sell everything, hop freight, and live in a cave.

My youtube feed will never recover from that class I took.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUcAPCxrSQs

>>18974699
There should totally be a homestead coven out in the woods XD. Wouldn't that be awesome.

>>18974681
Freelance Copywriter.

Gotta hussle, since I only got into it half a year ago.

Stopped doing hypnotherapy because of shitty marketing due to my boss (i.e. lack of clients), and getting demoralized by the amount of horrific shit people told me.

>>18974701
And you and it will be all the better for it.

>Youtube video preview image
>Madre Aqua
>Fearsome Mother
>So freakin' beautiful, stabs my soul
>Why you so cold to me, Woman?

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>>18974699
>I'd rather quit my job, sell everything, hop freight, and live in a cave.
>tfw

>>18974716
Sorry it went that way man. It seemed promising back when we talked. Hopefully it leads somewhere interesting.

>>18974699
>I'd rather quit my job, sell everything, hop freight, and live in a cave.

You're alright sister.

Also, Ape, asked ya for a throwaway mail maybe a couple months back, but I was days late in actually contacting you. Dunno if you ever got my mail, but if not, pop another and I'll resend the thing. If it interests ya. Was a bout a mIRC chat followup question.

All this aside, has any of you working Enochian opened TAN, perhaps recently?

Lots of ya make lurking pleasurable and posting mostly unnecessary. Loving good luck to all of ya.

>>18974853
>Sorry it went that way man. It seemed promising back when we talked. Hopefully it leads somewhere interesting.

It definitely does. Marketing, as it turns out, is amazing.

>>18974853
>TAN
17? No.

[email protected]

>>18974671

Sounds familiar.

>>18974873
>Marketing, as it turns out, is amazing.
If you haven't already, get a Google Analitics certificate. It will give you lots more options and a better position. I've worked at a lot of agencies, they all got a hardon for google analitics. Then I hit 30 and I was too old for marketing.

>>18974975
Nobody gives a shit about certificates nowadays.

I mean, agencies? Sure. But they pay is comparatively shit.

Working directly with clients is much more lucrative, and works better in the long term.

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>>18975050
I never had luck working directly.
In fact, I had more clients skip out of payments than pay.
So, I stuck where I'm at now.
At least I get hourly, and a commission once a quarter.
It keeps my bills paid and keeps the dogs fed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZGra65Nob4

>>18975104
>I had more clients skip out of payments than pay.
CONTRACTS MOTHERFUCKER

>>18974671
Soo... weed falls under the 'psychedelic' class, in terms of acceptable 'drugs' to use before ritual?

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>>18975122
You're right.
I was just too unsure, lack of legal advice, didn't know where to start on writing one.
I needed a hired Knee Cracker.
Creativity, dedication and talent do not equal good business sense.

Left to my own devices I'm too Avoidant.
Lack of confidence.
Don't trust anyone enough to ask for help when I should.

It's easier here, where everyone is just numbers without a face.

>>18974655
I work full-time at a hospital, healing the sick.
When I'm not working, reading books on magic, practicing magic - I'm juggling:
>family
>friends
>lover
>downtime
When I'm not doing these - I'm eating or sleeping.

I might be going back to school here again here soon too.

>>18972852
Yes, and the answer was "psychedelics." She trusts me to point her in the right direction based on personal experience and my knowledge of her personality and biology.

>>18972344
How does one utilize a scourge in this way? Same way as a wand? Or are you supposed to do something more with the tails on it?

>>18974873
It is, at least for a good while. Exposes the pleasures of manipulation. I'm glad you're having a good one.
>>18974890
Ah, same address. Alright man, I'll send out when I get home. Too bad about TAN tho, would have liked your say.

On that note... Has Satyr been around lately? I haven't lurked much, but I could use a few words with someone who's confident he went through here and further.

>>18975312
>Has Satyr been around lately
Yes but I'm still getting used to it.

This was Satyr:
>>18968318

>>18974671
So you're too much of a bitch to face an entity sober?

>literally quoting you from another thread

>>18975335
>implying weed makes it LESS spooky
>implying the rites shouldn't be mastered sober no matter what.

Dear Pyramid Anons:
I am hoping to attend the mass tonight, if the event for a deceased friend ends at a time that will allow me to make the 2-3 hour drive and arrive before 7. However, I cannot find the address and the phone# listed on FB is not connected. Also, I do not have a facebook to message them. Any help will be appreciated.
Sincerely,
SyrAnon

>>18975364
P.S. it may just be my technological retardation preventing me from finding the address in an easily accessible place. Have mercy.

I have been concerning myself with Qabalah but find it overly difficult. I don't want to give up on the occult, though. Is there any literature I can read next that is easier to understand than Qabalah? Sometime that does not require previous reading like the Greeks etc.

Note for Sevis for later - low price Western Rattlesnake heads and rattles:

http://www.bigcountrytradingpost.com/randals/snakes.html

>>18975370
You should check out "777 and other Qabalistic Writings" by Crowley. If that's too deep, then... "Mystical Qabalah", maybe? IDK Fortune kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth, The former was my intro to Qabalah. "Gematria" is a pretty decent piece.

>>18975382
I've read Fortune's book.

I'm looking for something else now that is nonetheless related to the occult. Maybe something related to Irish mythology, if it exists.

>>18975436
Uhh IDK... so you're saying you had trouble with Qabalah from Fortune's book?

>>18975445
I'm not sure I fully understood everything I read.

>>18975476
I would keep re-reading. It's a gradual process, considering that the Qabalah literally pertains to everything. A lot of people bitch about it being 'worthless,' but they must be applying it in a strictly exoteric manner, or just don't understand. I personally find the system invaluable.
Just skim around Ape's library if you're looking for Celtic paganism or anything like that.

Does anyone have a favorite text?
>>18972228
>Watch your language because they are now banning people for that too.
On 4chan? How surreal.

Are there any books/tomes that could help me further my experience/knowledge on Vodun (otherwise known as Vodou or Voodoo). Any help on the subject would be greatly appreciated.

>>18975504
I thought there was a section for that, but it seems I was mistaken.

What does /x/ know about incredibly powerful curses?
I Suspect that my lineage is the victim of a curse. The kind of curse that drives almost entire generations to suicide.

I would like to break it or circumvent it so I can die a normal death when my time comes, unlike most of us.

Will provide back story if you guys deem it necessary, be warned its a real fucking sob story.

>>18975533
>I Suspect that my lineage is the victim of a curse. The kind of curse that drives almost entire generations to suicide.

That would be a genetically inherited serotonin or dopamine imbalance.

Eat some meds.

>>18975610
Well sure, at face value it would make sense to assume this.

But I haven't given you my evidence (if you can call anything you've ever found of this board evidence of anything other than role-playing and schizophrenia)

>>18975312
>It is, at least for a good while. Exposes the pleasures of manipulation. I'm glad you're having a good one.

MEHHHHH.

It's more of a time/reward sort of thing. I still don't have everything down, but $2k for a week's worth shouldn't be too far off in the future.

>>18975533
>lineage
YEAH, NO.

>>18975641
>Well sure, at face value it would make sense to assume this.

Give your evidence.

But I have to ask, have you tried supplements for dopamine and serotonin regulation? 5HTP, GABA, vitamins or what not etc...

>>18975645

>Lineage
>YEAH, NO

What do you mean by this?

>>18975364
anon, hit me up you have prefered contact deets?

>>18974543
>>18974544
i looked it up, seems the guy himself says the book was so dangerous he took it down from purchase. is that serious or he is making hype for himself? what's special about his techniques vs other hypnotism books? he claims hypnotic trance isn't a state but he's not new in that view

>>18975662
I did when I was a child. As well as various medications for depression. I don't consider myself to have, nor am i clinically diagnosed with depression, schizophrenia, or anxiety of any kind.


I'll spare you angst and throw you the gist.

Every blood-member of my family has been plagued with suicides, the kind of bad luck that would make your head spin, and for whatever reason, many of us have been forced to take human life for one reason or another. Which isn't strange in any way outside of the fact that almost all of us have.

Some of us, like myself, narrowly escape death on a fairly regular schedule. I could go on for hours about how many times I should have died.

Starting with my grandfather, which is as far back as I can trace this. He had 10 brothers, 9 of which have died early unnatural deaths. 5 children, 3 of which have died under strange circumstances from generally non-lethal things. Both my parents committed suicide, my mother last year, followed by all 3 family dogs (in different homes) in the same week.

I have also had a severe fear and distrust of the dark. I feel as though I am always being watched, and have difficulties sleeping.
I have noticed that when their wives are not present, I often catch the men in my family sleeping with the lights on. This could be coincidence.

This all combined with the fact that as far as I can tell from speaking to my family, all of our lives have been endless hellscapes of suffering and torture since our earliest memories. With acception of in-laws of course.

>>18975702
>i looked it up, seems the guy himself says the book was so dangerous he took it down from purchase. is that serious or he is making hype for himself?

Entirely serious. But it's mostly his perspective, which stems from interacting with psychos.

I mean, it's easy to brainwash a person to the point of voluntary slavery within the span of an hour or two. You just have to know what you're doing.

>what's special about his techniques vs other hypnotism books?

Nothing, aside from the books being the most comprehensive works, with ALL OF THE CITATIONS.

When you put it all together, hypnosis ceases to be anything else than an emergent phenomenon stemming from how our neurology works.

>>18975726
I would also like to iterate that I do not frequent this board, nor am I 'superstitious'.

I am non-religious and in the past have chalked things like my uncontrollable fear of the dark and feelings of being watched to a strong survival instinct and potential chemical imbalances.

Looking back on all of this has led me to seek alternative answers to the problems I face on a daily basis.

>>18975757
Full title, PDF link?

>>18972544
Source for that pic please?

>>18972544
>>18975812
Nevermind.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/58292050/S-Jason-Black-Christopher-S-Hyatt-Urban-Voodoo-A-Beginner-s-Guide-to-Afro-Caribbean-Magic

>>18975757
>which stems from interacting with psychos.

as in, he is manipulating emotionally unstable people? or psychos reading his books and applying his books have success? anyway i'll check it out nonetheless, thank you. gonna look into his new book as well, the marketing one

>>18975788
i found epub version on scribd, you can make a throwaway account, upload one or two random pdfs and you can download freely

>>18975828
More like the people he learned from were the types to have massive egos, involuntary sex-slaves, and engaging in significantly less than ethical plays.

At least as far as I know.

>>18975759
Check out Psychomagic by Alejandro Jodorowsky. Or better yet Answer Cancer by someone who is sane. Sounds like a hereditary script.

>>18975817
https://books.google.com/books?id=G0TLCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA431&lpg=PA431&dq=%22i+once+discussed+the+proof+of+identity+for+a+long+time+with+a+friend+of+william+james%22&source=bl&ots=UEGtxZCsO0&sig=vvZR4wzoN8SJ85oxTiGw9fyWLxE&hl=en&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwinhJLwyO3SAhULxYMKHbdxA_kQ6AEIGjAA#v=onepage&q=%22i%20once%20discussed%20the%20proof%20of%20identity%20for%20a%20long%20time%20with%20a%20friend%20of%20william%20james%22&f=false

>>18975846
I'll take a look at that, thanks.

>>18974493
>the chemicals themselves House spirits

This is entirely consistent with my personal experience not to mention the doctrines of many forms of alchemy.

Ape I've been meaning to ask you what you did for the "preparation of the Corpse" phase of your CS praxis, I'm considering doing a general body, mind, spirit cleansing and exercise regimen, quitting drugs for a while, doing daily pentagram and hexagram rituals, yoga, getting my body of light together. Any specific practices you wish you had done to prepare for entrance to the blood acre?

>>18975886
Therapy. Also years of research and occult practice. From what I can make of it, this shit throws you to the wolves with a box of nails and a vase full of semen and expects you to just deal with being ridden like a horse by fuck knows what while archons watch.

>>18975898
>therapy
Everyone has been screaming at me to do this so I guess I will. Also that all sounds terrifying but also exactly what I want/need for some reason so I'm going for it. I know before I start I need to work on my discipline

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>>18975846
>Alejandro Jodorowsky
The Holy Mountain director?
I didn't know he wrong books on this stuff. Though I shouldn't be surprised.

>>18974493
>that the chemicals themselves house spirits.

Then how does contact after the effect/chemical get explained?

>>18975514
Guess there isn't. If there is, I'd love to be referred lol.

>>18976047
You must be at least THIS LITERATE to use the library:
>Open the link
>Go to Afro-Carib and Voodoo
>Between the Academic and Alchemy folders

>>18976058
Are you drinking?

>>18976058
kek

http://m.ebay.com/sch/Books-on-Antiquarian-and-Collectibles-/29223/i.html?isRefine=true&_nkw=rare+occult+books&_mwBanner=1&_sop=16

>>18976168
>Vindication of the Hermetic Art is an unmodified, high-quality reprint of the original edition from 1786. Hanse Books is the publisher of literature on various topics such as research and science, travel and expeditions, cooking and nutrition, medicine and other Genres.Der focus of the publishing house is on the preservation of historic Literatur.Viele works of historical writers and scientists are obtainable only as antiques today. Hanse Books publishes these books again and carry thereby for receiving of rare literary and historical knowledge also for the future in.

https://www.alibris.com/Ehrenrettung-Der-Hermetischen-Kunst-Johann-Christoph-Henckel/book/35084117

Sixteen wingwangs.

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what is the meaning behind this 8 pointed star? i tried looking it up but couldnt find this version of it.

>>18975645
That's it tho. Gain is one of the perks. Monetary, sometimes. Also, if you do it proper, everybody wins. Mostly. Fetishizing the thing itself is... Bond villain egofapping.

>>18976178
Sent ya the mail, Ape. Will rummage through my records later for the conversation this'd following up on and mail that as well.

>>18976571
How have you been doing anyway?

>>18976610
Went insane. Fell hard, was almost gone. Started Aethyr work again from TEX. Now, gonna have to wait and see. Feels like I can't confidently say much at this point of the work, think it'd be far fetched at best.
Goin' on, tho.

You, change in jobs aside?

>>18976685
Basically hustling 24/7. Got married. Dealing with real life.

>>18976717
Oh, I'm glad man. Same gal as those few years back I suppose? Hustle is good, too. Life without certain effort has its own set of gnarly issues.

>>18976717
Surgo slanging dem keys

>>18976717
Congrats, dude!

Are you by any chance, married to Soror BRH? I always felt like you two kinda had a thing.

any of you ever chant while marking a sigil?

>>18972212
Hey guys. Thoughts on marijuana in regards to occult practices?

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>>18972929
Is there a handy chart on which entity is tied to which planet and more importantly WHY?

Are there any pastes or resources I could look for protection and defence magic? I'm familiar with Star of Ruby and other lesser banishing rituals but I'd like to know more, is there anywhere I could find reliable information on keeping evil away, and if it's alright here, getting it out?

>>18977947
Smoke moar

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>>18972212

Hey Thoth, any thoughts on this collection? I am completely unfamiliar with Crowley's work. Does this contain everything necessary to understand his theory and practice his system? If not, any suggestions on filling the gaps?

Picked this up at a local shop a few days ago and I've been reading through it. So far I've been enjoying the poetry and philosophy, but flipping through it I'm not seeing any of the charts, symbols, sigils, etc. common to most grimoires out there.

>>18972413
The Void manifests in many places.

Please someone provide
"Inside Solar Lodge - Outside the Law" by Frater Shiva for th library.

Extremely interested in this California-based group in the 60s

>>18978413
The library has "Magical Cactus Voice" by Frater Shiva, someone must have the books on Solar Lodge too!

>>18977747
Yes.

>>18977956
Oh for fuck's sake, the chart is linked in the fucking pastebin.

>>18978036
The Holy Books are fundamental to the OTO and A.'.A.'. systems.

Don't buy Breeze's copy.

Get the Conjoined Creation edition (google: "Holy Books conjoined creation").

>I'm not seeing any of the charts, symbols, sigils, etc. common to most grimoires out there.
The Holy Books aren't grimoires.
That said you must have zoomed past Liber Tav and Liber 231.

>>18978413
http://mystic-history.angelfire.com/01solar.htm

>>18977635
No.

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>>18978748
I will go look at that resource Ape thank you.

I guess what I'm really asking is if you can explain the rhyme and the reason?

Why is Stolas aligned with whatever he is aligned with? Why is Gremory aligned with hers?

Is there a pattern or rule of thumb?

Ok so awhile back I was messing with low theta brainwaves for roulette gambling and had a magick experience on accident. I got into a trance and thought about attracting a random number using breathwork and affirmations. As I started breathing and affirming what I wanted to happen I suddenly created some kind of whirlwind of higher energy that 'connected' me to my desire and it felt incredible, as if that desire manifesting was the only thing in the world. The energy pushed me to spin and I got the number I wanted.
The whole thing happened really fast and I was wondering if I had done some insane shaman practice or I was just lucky but it wasn't an accident because the first number I rolled the next day was the same exact so the energy was still active!
Can someone explain what the fuck happened?

>>18977635
Didn't she quit the occult and find Jesus or something? I haven't even seen here here since like 2012.

>>18979096
I think I've seen BRH around a year back, but I'm really not sure.

>>18979070
The theta waves are used when practicing anything magickal. That's all I can really give you, someone else can probably explain better.

Have been doin the LBRP once a day for a month now, but so far nothing has changed, neither in my psychology nor in my life. Even when i do it, i don't feel any "weird stuff" or reach a particular altered state etc. just nothingness. Did i start with something too advanced for a beginner or am i doing something wrong?

>>18972974
I honestly can't take the GD aesthetic seriously. All their working tools look like they're made of candy.

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>>18979243
Don't speak it's name.
It's like Beetlejuice...

Bump limit reached - new thread?
We're slowly sliding on down the catalog.
I would dearly love to have all that MesoAmerican goodness Ape's been hoarding downloaded to one of my sim cards.

North African slow jam rock kind of morning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgIZElJdNiI
Makes me so freaking happy - like a smiling dog on a summer day.

>>>18979323
went ahead and made new while we wait.