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What are the signs that i succesfuly put myself into a trance? How do i know i'm not just bamboozling myself?

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>>18708307

Does everything except what you're focused on fade in to complete non-existence? If yes, you're in a successful trance. If no, you're doing it wrong.

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>>18708391

So basically anytime I get on the computer or focus on anything then?

>>18708307
More than 1 way amigo

>>18707032
I was always wondering if you had some favorites in your library, some that you would personally recommend. I'm quite a newfriend when it comes to esoteric literature, but I feel many of the texts are completely inaccessible for a newfriend like me.
I'm currently reading up on Oven-Ready chaos, not because I want to use chaos magick, but I just want magick and the like in my philosophical vocabulary and was recommended to read ORC, Liber Null and Prometheus Rising to get a small grasp on the subject.

>>18708530

A handful of favorites of mine:

>Kali Kaula
>Magick in Theory and Practice
>The Middle Pillar
>Revolt Against the Modern World
>The Book of Ceremonial Magic
>The Fourth Way

>>18708391
Thank you based Cat.

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Oh hey guys hadn't even noticed new omg thread.

Have Ape added the missing page of the Tantraloka?

>>18708410
Is there differentiation between Self and Object?

>>18708530
>some that you would personally recommend. I'm quite a newfriend
Little that I recommend is 'beginner' material.

>>18709611
Yes but I haven't posted it because I already spend 20 hrs a week at the scanner and when I get home I prefer to my rites or work on projects.

Won't even be home for a few more hours, hold your horses, folks.

>>18709820
Great,take your time with it
Really appreciate your work

bumping the thread whit

>tfw no gf

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>>18707032
I figured I'd ask this here since a good portion of you probably at least meditate.

How do I stay present in my every day life?
Also how do I just 'let go'?

I'm always full of thoughts and inhibitions, and as soon as I am able to relax, I slip and forget (usually on a long scale, IE It takes me a month or two to let go a bit but then I slip back without noticing).

>>18710623
I'm sorry, you will not like this answer.
You let go by Letting go.

>>18710703
reee
it comes and goes, and when it goes I never know how to get it back

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>>18710623

Stop trying to let go. What you're doing is thrashing around mindlessly like a drowning victim, and that's simply furthering you from your goal.

There's no trick to it, you just stop and then you are. If you can't, it's because you're not in tune with yourself and a part of you doesn't want to. Harmonize.

>>18710814
>it's because you're not in tune with yourself and a part of you doesn't want to. Harmonize.
This is probably right, because like you said, I can't.

How do I fix this?
I started reading about Zen and Stoicism, I'm hoping that's the right way.

Then I closed mine eye, that I might not behold it, and for this was it fixed. Now it is written that one glance of mine eye shall destroy it. And mine eye I dare not open, because of the foulness of the vision. Therefore do I gaze with these two eyes throughout the aeon. Is there not one of all my adepts that shall come unto me, and cut off mine eyelids, that I may behold and destroy?"

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>>18710623
Thats just your personality.
Maybe you are inhibited because you are not really doing something that suits you.
You need to think a bit about what you really want out of life, and what you really enjoy.
Once you know yourself, you will find that you have let go.
To stay present, be self aware.
You are already doing an okay job at that.
But you seem to be outwardly self aware, and not inwardly self aware.
Take some time to be alone and think about what you really want and need.
It also sounds like you have some anxiety issues.
I take a med for that... helps tremendously, otherwise I'm completely and totally crippled and agoraphobic and just lay in bed with a blanket over my head for days.
There's nothing wrong and no shame with getting something to help, but let's try at helping yourself first.

>>18711455
What meds do you take?

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>>18710623
Also, you need to work at getting that Industrial Guilt, Shame and Fear complex out of your head.
Most times people who grow up in Abrahamic families have this issue the worst.
I know, because I am one.
Being told to constantly watch out for your own thoughts and actions that will put you straight into a bottomless pit of fire and torture for eternity will make ANYONE neurotic.
I had to kick anyone who talked to me that way, or tried to pressure me to be that way out of my life.
Including family.
If you have to shed some dead weight to grow as a person, don't be afraid to do it.
People who really care about someone won't try to guilt them for doing what will really lead to their emotional happiness and growth.
Be prepared for someone to try to make you feel like a piece of shit when you cut them off.
And, just know that it's not you - IT'S THEM.

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>>18711486
Effexor XR 250mg once a day - I'm topped out on the on label dosage.
Propanolol 75mg once a day
Lamictal 75mg once a day

Centella is dancing outside - high winds tonight in the South.

>>18711455
Maybe
Fucked if I know what I want at this point desu
Thank you all for your responses

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>>18711501

I approve of this message. Be who you are, shackling yourself needlessly is silly.

What is LRH?

>>18712784

Could be any number of things, without context. My first guess since you're here though is "Lesser Ritual of the Hexagram".

>>18710934
Is that from Liber 418?
Are you gonna scan and upload that Star Sailors book you mentioned?

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>>18712792
Yeah that's it thanks!

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>>18710934
>making me look up how to spell schrodinger's cat

>>18709820
I'm not a complete beginner. Let's just pretend that I know most of the mysteries that are shrouded by gnosis. I'm looking for books that will spark a connection between what I already know and something new. Have had multiple layers of satori through drugs, now I'm trying to find the answers in literature, without drugs.
Could you still list your 'favorites', I'd imagine those wouldn't be 90% bland fluff and 10% knowledge, as I see many esoteric texts as.
I get that it's like philosophy, but I hate the forced agenda that is their perspective and theology, just wastes time.
I would like to read some big-boy books, but when learning a new 'path' of magick I like to start small, to get a grasp on it, and see if it relates to what I already do automatically as magick, and what I know.
TL;DR: Pls list favorites anyways, I'll bless the next stray kitty I see with petting.

>>18709820
Was just stating that I'm a newfriend to the literature, so I can't really go in depth in some of the more cryptic texts, like some alchemical texts. More or less like that.

>>18709820
I always wondered why did you/do you hate Pepe when he is the only/was the only proof of meme magic in the world?

Any suggestions for synchronizing with a cloaked temporal boundary? It synchronizes briefly once every 7 years.

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>>18711730
Maybe?
That's your answer - maybe?
Kid, there are occultists who spend their entire lives attempting to summon something called the "Holy Guardian Angel" to tell them what it just took me seconds to tell you.

Come on, what makes you happy?
You know... what makes you feel all warm and squishy inside?
Helping old ladies across the street?
Teaching some brat how to catch a ball?
Go do that - and do it a lot.
And, if you can make money doing it, do that too.
When you do something that is in your soul and part of you that you love it's effortless and fuck everyone that tells you it's wrong and you should be ashamed.

You say you're into zen, but it sounds like it's more of an "Eh, not really".
When you find what is right for you, it clicks instantly and it's effortless and you realize it's been inside you the whole time.
If zen does not describe what you already do and feel all day everyday then it's not YOU.
But don't stop looking.
That's not what I'm saying at all.

YOU know what's in your head.
You live there every second of every day.
Even when you are sleeping, you are there.
It's not an "Eh - maybe" thing.
So, stop being so blah-zay and sit your ass down and think.

I'm only being hard on you, because I want you to try harder.
Good talk kid, good talk.

Other than English, what's the best language to know for this stuff?

>>18714089

Sanskrit/Latin

I listened to an awesome podcast about John Dee last night. It really showed the intersection of science and the occult. Like how the hunt for AI is a modern version of trying to contact angels and reach a higher intelligence. The guest was Justin Louv. Has anyone read his stuff? Would you reccommend it?

Does anyone have any resources about the overlap between remote viewing and mystical experiences?

>>18715900
Not formally, though I've put a goodly amount of thought into the phenomena.

>>18714832
>Justin Louv
Absolutely disgusting.

>>18714089
see
>>18714095
Also Greek and Hebrew.

>>18715900
These two source came up in an Antarctica thread:

>http://www.pauladaunt.com/books/Banned%20books%20and%20conspiracy%20theories/Remote%20Viewing%20By%20Tim%20Rifat.pdf

>>http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/answers/crvmanual/CRVManual_FiredocsRV.pdf

Sorry if that is not what you were looking for, Timothy Leary might have a tangent on that topic; I am not sure exactly how that may have been published.

>>18716588
Come to think of it McKenna may dance around that topic too but fucked if I'm gonna crawl through thousands of hours of his lectures for a potential ten minute clue.

>>18715900
Sources, pardon my typo.

The basic overlap is that you are focusing your brain into an adaptive antennae, so you car receive a specific signal upon which to ideate.

>>18716593
Yes, I think he believed that psilocybes could induce RV trance states, and that was their evolutionary value.

Most of the 60's alt-psych community was studying entheogens for applications in remote viewing.

>>18707032
I thought this would be a good place to ask. Is there any guides or suggestions for someone who is interested in studying witchcraft and spirituality? Like I'm interested in wellness spells and rituals

>>18716661
>someone who is interested in studying witchcraft
Three Hands Press' "Children of Cain".
Carlo Ginzburg
Emma Wilby
Norman Cohn

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>>18707032
>https://mega.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQ

Glorious.

>>18716661
Silver Ravenwolf.

>>18716810
Here's another one:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BwLJ8mj-ZuoGc0NKUEtoLTBmQXc?usp=sharing

>>18716810
>Glorious.
I try.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z80dyTAcFOQ

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>>18716819
>Gives keys to Enlightenment

You're too good. May Kek bless you.

>>18713232
Glad to see you're utilizing more than just drugs. I was worried a few days ago when it seemed as though using drugs was your only method of "enlightenment" &c. Good luck, and may you seek what you find!

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>>18713232
Post mysteries pls

Anyone have any experiences with University of Amsterdam's Western Esotericism branch? Considering studying that programme to round out my education.

>>18716819
>Silver Ravenwolf

kys

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>>18717387
all of reality exists inside your head

there is no separation between consciousness and the universe

the universe is too big and complex to be understood fully by the rational mind, but that's all ok

drugs are bad, mm kay

>>18719463
>all of reality exists inside your head

Arguable.

>there is no separation between consciousness and the universe

False.

>the universe is too big and complex to be understood fully by the rational mind, but that's all ok

True.

>drugs are bad, mm kay

Everyone who ever drinks dihydrogen monoxide dies.

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>>18719466
logan was a spectacular movie btw, more western than super hero movie, but still great

>>18719466
>Everyone who drinks water dies

No shit

>>18717801
Thanks for giving attention to this program, seriously considering it, even though it's far off in the future for me :^)

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I got a question for you magick bros.
Let's just say me and my sensei were very inhibited in the mind and decided to aquire two glass gems from Walmart with the intention of channeling energy into them. This process required admittance to a church, and sing with our hands raised up like we were fucking sirens, with the end gain be money and gifts by the church goers feeling pity and kindness.

We hit a Protestant church. It was a smashing success.

Did we actually do something right or was it just feasable to work naturally without rituals. I like my rituals to serve a practical purpose while performed. Which meant we were two homeless bastards wearing trench coats and a huge fuck off gem (sensei) and priest robes with a staff (me) praising god with our hands held high, and had the story of being travelling missionaries who pass out bibles deep inside the homeless ranks.

>>18708573
>Not advanced magick for beginners

>>18719999
this is spectacular, you did everything right

>>18715900
i think some of the neurosci end of it was covered in waking, dreaming, being, possible i'm misremembering

>>18716577
>Not formally, though I've put a goodly amount of thought into the phenomena.
If you've the time and inclination, i'd like to hear some speculation please.

>>18720022
>Frater VD
No.

>>18720070
Many of the siddhis sounds like RV. Pretty sure Dames and his crew had access to some of Aquino's tech.

>>18720067
I mean, no kidding.
There's a healthy chance some of this is due to variant spatial mapping, akin to how cab drivers keep livemaps of a city in their head.

>>18719999
I don't actually see a question but >>18720056

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>>18720096
Sorry, my question was did our ritual experience influenced them or was it just luck and skill? Did what we do actually work in theory?

>>18720096
Whats wrong Alan Chapface?

I think I accidentally did the Night of Pan without prior knowledge of the thing. What do?

Thoughts on this article?

http://abrahadabra.com/magick-part-iii-god-war-vengeance/

>>18720204
It's shit.

Read the first few paragraphs, and I'm already disappointed by the massive amount of ignorance.

>>18707032
Ape, its "Red Flame" in the library? If not, its scanned or something anywhere?

>>18720224
>Somewhere on earth a couple of centuries ago
>Be schizo autist but no diagnosis back then, must be a wizard, can see EVERYTHING
>Must write book so everyone knows
>Elemental magick 101 and old memes
>Fast forward to the 21st century
>Some faggot reads the book
>Posts an article on a faggot website
>The four elements can expand into nine elements easily via the square and the nine-chamber Lo Shu which is what I will be covering extensively in this article for example.
This is TRUE MAGICK FEEL THE POWER OF SELF-INDUCED AUTISM AND SCHIZOPHRENIA!

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>>18720317
That sounds about right.

>>18720224
Hey, Nubby, do you still use IRC? I was wanting to ask you about something.

Hey guys, I have a question. Can I use chaos magick to make someone go away from my life? I don't want to hurt them or anything, just to go far away and leave me/my family alone. Can it be done? If so, how? Would a sigil work?

>>18720767
Literally there 99% of the time. What's up?

>>18720771
No. Chaos magic is essentially self-suggestion. A rather unhealthy way of going about it, too.

>>18720832
What server/channel? I forgot. :x

>>18720843
#thelema @ Rizon

>>18717240
They're a tool to apply my knowledge, they didn't bring me much further 2 months ago, so I'm 'studying' at the moment, I'm completely and entirely addicted to knowledge. At least I'm not addicted to the green stuff anymore, and utilizing for addiction that way. :^)

Is enochian for anything other then practice?
Someone suggested reading Tyson: Enochian magick for beginners and don't egt me wrong, it's and interesting read but anything concerning the magick itself, is bunch math connected to kaballah. Is there some hidden philosophical worth or should I just skim andmove on, since Im having a difficult time finding a personal value in the physical practice itself.

Ape, if you are on here, I have a couple questions, if it's not too much of a bother. You posted in my one and only thread here about a week ago, and the info you provided (despite that I should have found it myself to begin with) really helped me RE: evocations. Is there anyway I can contact you/ discuss matters without derailing this thread? I understand if you don't wanna provide any personal information ( because duh, board full of whackjobs) but I would appreciate any response. Thanks in advance.

>>18721029
The Enochian system is a very powerful and frequently misunderstood form of magick. There's really no such thing as Enochian Magick for beginners...or at least, there SHOULDN'T be. Good luck!

>>18721029
Oh and to answer your last question, I would move on to other forms of magick for now, but return to it some point down the road, perhaps when you achieve some success with other forms. Good luck!

>>18721819
Enochian magic proper is actually one of the last remaining western occultic traditions that is still secret, even the Golden Dawn never had access to Dee's complete system.

>>18721843
It's only secret because we lack materials. Even the most experienced experts can only make best guesses.

My method is closer to Agrippan than GD, but but I'm not running the simulations that the big dogs are.

>>18721819
But Tyson's book is, like, ALMOST good, tho.

>>18721811
Post something and I can try to reply in a timely manner.

>>18721029
>Someone suggested reading Tyson: Enochian magick for beginners and don't egt me wrong, it's and interesting read but anything concerning the magick itself, is bunch math connected to kaballah.
To understand Enochian you must understand 16th-17th century magick and cryptography. End of story. The system is encoded into the very tables, seals, and rites you're using. It's fractal and recursive.

>since Im having a difficult time finding a personal value in the physical practice itself.
Ok, so how many Aethyrs have you skried or Angels have you evoked?

>>18720130
No you didn't. You're experiencing the Veil of Nephesh, not the Abyss.

>>18720111
I got the author confused with High Magick: Theory and Practice.

I doubt he's Crossed but his experiments through 5=6 seem interesting enough.

>>18720107
Perhaps from a 'low magick' psychological model/decompression perspective.

Memorize some actual, y'know, rites.

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>>18721843
But, wouldn't you love to find those papers?
Id like to flip through them for purely historical curiosity purposes.... and to smell the paper.

>>18720287
What do you mean?

Red Flame is a journal from Jerry C., with only one entry that I'd LOVE to get my hands on (Beastly Book of Changes).

They're all exceedingly rare and expensive.

>>18721969
>and to smell the paper.
They'd smell like meatpie because they were used as liner by Casaubon to make dinner on accident, iirc.

Ape:

When performing Crowley's adaptation of the Preliminary Invocation of the Goetia, are you supposed to hold the various postures of the gods while reciting the various parts of the "Hear me" rubric? Or are you just supposed to make the sign, drop your arms, then recite them? I have been doing the former with success, but I just had an academic interest in whether I was doing it "right." Thank you.

>>18722008
>are you supposed to hold the various postures of the gods while reciting the various parts of the "Hear me" rubric?
You can do a few things.
The most obvious answer is to go back to the GMP, realizing there were no set godforms and it was more about intonation of mystical names. If anything, you could do some ritual gestures, be them the grade signs or whatever.
Nominally speaking, though, yes, when invoking that hard, you're gonna wanna do some form of Godform work, though posture is just one of many routes.

To actually answer your question though, Bullethead WOULD mix and match, but in the A.'.A.'. initiatory materials, you're mostly getting a gesture, drop, then recite, and if anything should be your baseline it's ThROA/Pyramidos and Cadaveris/Tuat.

>>18722024
To unpack that a bit further.

Silence/Entry in ThROA and Pyramidos gets held, but that's only for short exclamations ("Hail thee, lord of the silence *shift* Hail the Lord of the word *both in succession* We adore Thee, Lord.), but then migrates into Masonic type gesture breakdowns.

This continues into Cadaveris and Tuat where the interplay of the gestures taught in the previous initiation are tinkered with, and yet again in Star Sapphire.

>>18722024
THANK you sir! I understand if you don't have time, but while I've got your ear I'm curious what you think about all these people summoning succubi and warding and having demon "friends," &c. Am I just falling for LARPing? If not, what could possibly be the value of such things? Most of these people seem like they don't even know what the LBRP is! ANYbody who has answers, please share. Thanks.

>>18722065
>summoning succubi
LARP

>warding
May be legit, may not be. Depends on the context. Srs people do lurk here, particularly around this thread.

>having demon "friends,"
1) Spirits of Lemgeton are not demons.
2) They can certainly be your allies.

>what could possibly be the value of such things?
I dunno, what utility do you get from them?
Success is your only proof.

>don't even know what the LBRP is!
Don't fall for system supremacy. I've seen plenty of people who don't CARE what an LBRP is that work just fine in their own well-developed systems. See....all shamanic practice, but generally in the West if they don't even know what an LBRP is they can probably be dismissed, though I repeat there's a different between not knowing and not caring.

There's more than one way to purify, evoke, and invoke.

>>18722090
>By demons I meant people who post threads literally asking to summon "demons."
>Ok, I'm probably not seeing many because I'm looking in the wrong place!
>I absolutely agree with your comment on the LBRP, I just meant that they don't seem to have any basic understanding of any magickal or mystical tradition.
Thanks very much for your detailed and specific answers

>>18722126
Sorry for the way that came out all in greentext, I really have no idea how to use it but it came out like that anyway!

>18722126
>By demons I meant people who post threads literally asking to summon "demons."
85% full of shit.
I do know that some of the evokers here put in effort tho.

>>18722138
Haha OK, good to know! Any thoughts on Franz Bardon's "Fluid condensers" and whatnot? I've never really been able to tolerate the guy, but I saw a lot of hash about Fluid Condensers and couldn't make sense of it.

>>18722177
>Franz Bardon
le epin maymay

>>18722251
ok I'll bite. what's your problem with him?

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Bump.

>>18722421
I'll let Ape take this question, because I know how much he likes Franz "I'm-a-shitty-hermeticist" Bardon.

>>18722448
I'm sorry you are so lonely. Just remember it gets better, and the more time you spend outside the better you will feel. Eventually you won't feel the need to annoy others in order to get satisfaction out of life. Good Luck!

>>18722491
Looks like Ape may be gone... I know how he feels about Bardon, and I've gotten about the same impression from what little swill of Bardon's I have read... but, any comment on "fluid condensers" specifically, friend?

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>>18722421
Everything
Fat role playing faggot who made everything up, has no idea about the traditions he claims to reference, and gave really shitty advice.

All of that would be forgivable if he wasn't a millhouse level forced meme
also
>mind worms

>>18722090
>Spirits of Lemgeton are not demons.

I wonder, knowing they are not demons, do you still perform the rituals as the book says (lemegeton), treating them as demons, with all that YHVH and christian mumbo jumbo?

>>18721819

The author says otherwise.

>>18721827
What for? Why should I drop it when im 1/3 through?

>>18721958
>To understand Enochian you must understand 16th-17th century magick and cryptography.

bullshit. Im doing just fine understanding it, since everything one has to know is already written down, reconstructed or isnt complete, I just want to knowif there is more than just the practical application to it. since all tyson speaks about are symbols, kabbalah, bunch of numbers and letters and production of personal tools.

>Ok, so how many Aethyrs have you skried or Angels have you evoked?

Do I have to to be able to tell you that I see no worth in doing so?

come on now ape, why so touchy or is it some secret club fobidden topic

>>18724799
I'm >>18721819 >>18721827
The author is wrong, as is demonstrated by your lack of 'gain,' shall we call it?

I would drop it if you're not getting anything out of it right now, as you implied. Yes there is great value to it, both philosophical and practical but in order for the physical practice to be worthwhile, you need to have a comprehensive understanding of Qabalah, etc. which doesn't seem to mean much to you right now, unless I'm misreading.

It also sounds like either the book is worthless as a stand-alone guide, or the author himself is worthless as an instructor. Hope this helps. Good luck!

>>18724799
Again I'm the guy above and not Ape, but dude, come on, if you see no value in scrying the Aethyrs, and ESPECIALLY if you see no value in evoking Angels, Enochian is worthless to you. Enochian magick is LITERALLY "Angel Magick." Hope this helps. Good Luck!

>>18722421
Also, read his book on evocation. He gives a lot of shitty and worthless advice. The small grain of truth contained in any of his writing was clearly stumbled upon completely by accident.

>>18724544
IHVH is ultimately a pre-xtian concept, in Western Tradition it is frequently used without ANY implication of Abrahamic faiths. and there are many books on the subject. I hope Ape comes back to answer some of these, but Google is your friend!

>>18721958
Any books or more info on the Veil of Nephesh?

>>18725437


Sorry but this doesnt help. Read the book for yourself and than discredit the authot as incompitent.

>>18725451

As long as it has some philosophical/psychological worth Im in, if its just practice ill skim through. Just read what I said, jeez

Ape answer pls, youve been the one who suggested it to me in the end.

>>18725474
I believe it's like what buddhists call false attainment. Perhaps the Zohar?

>>18725528
I'm not trying to start an argument, friend. I'm hoping Ape comes back soon as well. Maybe reread his comments on it from yesterday? That's what I did with a couple of my questions and I gained more insight by re-reading what he had to say

>>18707032
Holy fuck what even is Kabbalah
Jews are fucking crazy

>>18708530
For Hermeticism I would recommend Dion Fortune books, specifically Psychic Self-Defence. I have a personal liking for an author called John Michael Greer, but there are no scans of the third editions of his basic books, Circles of Power and Paths of Wisdom, both from Aeon Books (I'm not sure the paper versions are already available).

For Chaos Magic, you could very well start with Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson.

I'd suggest reading both books. For other schools of magic, wait for recommendations.

>>18719533
>was a spectacular movie btw, more western than
Time to watch Outland again, thanks for the reminder.

>>18721958
>To understand Enochian you must understand 16th-17th century magick and cryptography.
Not that Anon. I'm fine with cryptography. What sources would you recommend for 16-7th century magic?

>>18722177
One could say the condensers are the only part of Bardon's work worth saving.

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Y'all need Jesus.

>>18725576
Spirit math. :^)
>>18725693
Slowly getting to Dion Fortune, Prometheus Rising is the next book on my list. Thanks.

>>18725744
May I ask, What is their practical application? As in, I haven't had any problems without them thus far, how would you say they would influence my practice if I incorporate them? Thanks in advance.

>>18725787
Fluid condensers can be described as batteries to store etheric energy. That is their application.

Etheric energy is deeply connected to life and breath, and it forms the link between the two levels of experience that Westerns call "mind" and "matter."

Go to page 251 in this book:
http://www21.zippyshare.com/v/Ox18vbKL/file.html
For a one page long explanation.

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I realized today on my drive home from work that I never got to F-Z.
Any interest left from the peanut gallery?

>>18725991
I enjoyed the first half, but must admit i wonèt put it to use any time soon

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>>18725758
>Spirit math. :^)
And language as Math.

Just wait until you get to Sacred Geometry...

>>18725755

>>18721958
do you know if Tantric Thelema by Sam Webster is any good?

>>18725926
Thank you very much! Any idea if Crowley utilized them? Not because I want to emulate him, but rather because I don't recall coming across any mention of them in his works. Thanks again!

did "they" kill fringechan for good?

>>18726027
who are "they"?

>>18726004
I sure am ecstatic. Was always good at math, always resented it. At least this kind of math is of practical use for me and my future.
>>18726027
go on 8/fringe/, there's a fringechan thread. Otherwise, stay out. Retardation is catchy.

banp

>>18726007
Crowley died in 1947 and Initiation into Hermetics was first published, in German, in 1956.

>>18726174
God no, the format hurts my eyes and everyone who posts there is /pol/ tier

Fun fact: The sexual emissions of a transgender woman (also known as "Tears of Aphrodite" is a magickal catalyst many times more potent than menstrual blood.

http://www.critcrim.org/redfeather/journal-pomocrim/vol-6-virtual/whitemagic.htm

Posting this here is a sort of burial rite for the writer, whose work influenced me and who recently chose to die

>>18708573
pleb tier

>>18728366
From the start, “economy” was the object-cause of a bourgeois “science”, which hyperstitionally bootstrapped itself into existence, and then bent and melted the matter of this and every other world to fit its presuppositions – the greatest theocratic achievement in a history that was never human, an immense conjuring trick which works all the better because it came shrouded in that damp grey English and Scottish empiricism which claimed to have seen off all gods. When Thatcher said “there is no such thing as society”, she was only echoing the assumptions of Hume and Smith: “society” is an unsupportable abstraction, a spook that proper scientific thinking will exorcise soon enough … Only impressions are verifiable, everything else is superstitious junk to be jettisoned. Everything, that is, except Capital … (Those bloody savages attribute power to their wooden gods, whereas we …)

Hume, to his credit, at least pushed empiricism to the point where it dismantled itself. It turns out, Hume showed, that when pursued to its logical conclusions, empiricism leaves us with none of the presuppositions upon which the emergent secular liberalism relied. There is no self (there is no impression that corresponds with what we call the self – a double scandal for empiricism, since all ideas were supposed to be rooted in impressions) just as there is no causality (we don’t experience cause and effect, only constant conjunction). Hume, stunned by the spider scepticism, offered a kind of homeopathic remedy against reason’s tendency to evacuate the human world of all its fetishes, touchstones and commonplaces. Reason, Hume argued, slumping into his backgammon chair, only has a very limited dominion over our lives. Emotion and habit dictate most of what we think and do. Thus, the self and causality are back, and Kant’s transcendental critique arrives to clear up the mess.

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I am interested in shiva and hinduism.

Do I need to go to a hindu temple to connect with the tradition authentically?

I want to but feel it would be weird being the only white guy there

Also are there any in english or are the services in hindi?

Another thing is I love the scriptures but am pretty turned off by their statues. Most of the time they seem like poorly made dress up dolls. How am I supposed to worship pic related as god? Is there any reason for their general poor construction, even across most sects? Pic related is from one of the most elaborate temples in Toronto (BAPS Mandir), so it can't just be a cost thing. Some catholic churches have pretty crappy statues too, but at least the more established ones have much nicer quality.

>>18728884

So there is no escaping libido, not even for the British … This insight is crucial to the Radical Enlightenment which Spinoza patiently prepares in his lens-grinders’ lab in Amsterdam. As the defenders of theocratic and secular power quickly realised, Radical Enlightenment was the most dangerous weapon in Christendom – not least because it exposed as bogus the difference between theocratic and secular power: there is in all political power an irreducible theocratic element. Spinoza pre-emptively takes out both British empiricism and the “continental” trajectory kicked off by Kant (the greatest trick German Idealism ever pulled was pretending that Spinoza never existed). The critique of superstition is meaningless while we still believe in free will and the self. The first anthropomorphic act is the invention of the human being, projected back off the image of an invented God who not only doesn’t exist, but couldn’t possibly exist. (Even God couldn’t have free will.)

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>>18728885
>Do I need to go to a hindu temple to connect with the tradition authentically?
Not in the sense that the temple is anything special. Viewing the deities (taking darshan) is auspicious and a place like a temple can set the mind into a better state. However, the point is to meet and socialize with spiritually-minded people (sadhu-sanga). Having a community is much more important than having a temple, but the temple attracts the people to make a community.

>I want to but feel it would be weird being the only white guy there
You are not this body. You are not white. But even if you think this way - Siva is also white, so you wouldn't be the only white guy there.

>Also are there any in english or are the services in hindi?
That would depend on the temple. When I was in temple, we had translations for the sanskrit and the talks were in English.

>Another thing is I love the scriptures but am pretty turned off by their statues.
If this is your thinking, I would leave deities alone. A deity is a plenary (equal in all respects) expansion of the god represented. The personality mercifully agrees to enter into a deity such that a devotee has a focal point for their worship. It is not a statue; such thinking is idol worship. To give a loose analogy, seeing the deity as a statue of stone or metal is like seeing a person you are close with as a bag of carbon and water.

>Is there any reason for their general poor construction, even across most sects?
Thoughts on this:
I know there are standards for the forms and iconography of deities, but I've never heard of anything restricting their aesthetic quality.
The "quality" of the deity is unimportant. Why should it look like what YOU think God should appear as? One of the reasons the Jagannath deity appears as He does is to show that God does not need a form with hands/legs/etc.

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>>18729163
Another form of the deity is the salagram-sila or siva lingam. Pic is of siva lingams. For those who worship silas and lingams, Vishnu/Shiva are wholly and literally present in them. Every "stone" in that pic is each Shiva in full. Again, the point is that the form is not the person.

Addendum: This is all Vaishnava perspective trying to be ecumenical. If you are attracted to Shiva and impersonalism in general, look into the works of Adi Shankara, and look for groups following Shaivism or Advaita Vedanta.

>>18725758
>Spirit math. :^)
>>18726004
>And language as Math.


I am glad to see that you two really know what you are talking about.

Analogue computer science and bronze-age number theory are the academic descriptions I have been quoted on.

Bonus points if you recognize that the ethnographical origin of that Judaica is necessarily Yazidi, or if you believe that we have other books than kitab çilwe.

>>18708573
Careful friend, don't you know reading Fascist literature these days means you've committed Wrongthink?

>>18729377
I fucking love evola. Dude was all over the place, I'm honestly curious if he would have felt the same being poor. He reminds me of that quote about inequality and how people just want to rig the game in their favor. He's on top so of course he feels it's perfect.

>>18728812
That was the idea lol.
>>18729333
Checked.
I thought the whole idea of being a tripfag was speaking of what you know and not roleplaying to know something that you don't know.
I have no idea what the rest of your post means, I'm an esoteric pleb, gotta read up on some literature, it'll come.

>>18730068
Is there something that you think I do not know?

>>18730322
No I was just referring to
>I am glad to see that you two really know what you are talking about.
Crush the LARPers and shills!
I assume everyone knows everything, as they do. How you extract that from them, that is my purpose to know.

>>18730366
I like that perspective.

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>>18730366
If you like judaica, cabala and math; then you might want to check out meru.org and related presentations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpr-cYaYJQ0

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>>18729377

The only wrong perspective is the one that's not your own.

Only the feeble-minded allow their animal instincts of fearing social rejection dictate their beliefs. Any true seeker is as willing to explore the "dark" as they are the "light" to find their own path.

>>18726027
Fuck /fringe/.

>>18726005
Never read it.

>>18725729
Agrippa.
Any of the early Christian synchretist Kabbalah tracts. Think I have a thread in the /his/ archives that should point you in the right direction.

>>18725576
Nondual philosophy for the Near East.

>>18725550
>>18724799
>bullshit. Im doing just fine understanding it
>anything concerning the magick itself, is bunch math connected to kaballah
Obviously fucking not.

>I just want to knowif there is more than just the practical application to it. since all tyson speaks about are symbols, kabbalah, bunch of numbers and letters and production of personal tools.
If you can't reconstruct what's going on from Tyson's instructions, then you're not going to do well trying to reconstruct it from grainy scans of the source material.

>Do I have to to be able to tell you that I see no worth in doing so?
Then why are you fucking asking?

I've told these threads in broad terms how to work Enochian multiple times.

For skrying aethrys:
>There's this tablet with four parts
>There's four elements
>Each tablet is subdivided into four
>Making the 16 admixtures (earth of fire, etc.)
>The Keys are (probably) elemental (though also probably don't have a DIRECT correlation with tablet quadrants, meaning they're mutable for sky movements).
>You need to TRIANGULATE the GOVERNOR of the AETHYR you're skrying.
>If he rests in "Air of Water" or "Water of Fire" it's gonna be in a specific quadrant.
>Look up the source material.
>Each Governor will have an associated Tribe of Israel attached to it.
>Using the tribe, flip open Agrippa's Three Books (that's what Dee used).
>Look up all astrological and planetary data for that Tribe.
>Time your ritual so you hit the planet at rise or apex
>Perform GMP at the proper time
>Go through Keys, starting with the Black Cross going inward until you hit the subquadrant, then follow up with the Cry of the 30 Aethyrs.

>>18725528
But Tyson covers all the main historical problems with Enochian. The only thing we can accuse him of doing is inserting his own interpretations of Enochian's connection to Rev.

>>18726004
>tfw modal logic

>>18729181
>>18729163
>>18728885
>If you are attracted to Shiva and impersonalism in general, look into the works of Adi Shankara, and look for groups following Shaivism or Advaita Vedanta.
No, you want Nisargadatta Maharaj's "I Am That".

>>18729333
>ethnographical origin of that Judaica is necessarily Yazidi
That's a fairly massive stretch, though they all likely spring up from the same pre-historical Semitic paganism; the only argument i can make in direct favor of connection is that Mandaeans are similar and have Hebrew genetic links that appear older than their migration into the desert.

>>18730614
>scrying

What a complicated way to do it.

>>18730639
It's (mostly) how Dee went about the protocol.
It's SIGNIFICANTLY less complicated than what the GD is doing with each single cell having four attributions on top of the letter.

>>18730614
>GMP
Meant to say GRH, but, I mean, fuck it, right?

>>18730635
>That's a fairly massive stretch, though they all likely spring up from the same pre-historical Semitic paganism;

No, the linguistic toponymy of y-z-d versus y-h-d as an ethnonym is the key part.

>Mandaeans are similar

Those people moved in during the Mongolian invasions, they were from east of the Euphrates.

Genesis is widely known among Yazidim and Kurds. You are ignoring a pretty large part of the old testament to say that they were not Jews.

You could also argue that the Ashkenazim or Sephardim have more to do with the esoterica, but their ethnonyms are much younger than the art.

The Yazidim are the only people who keep the consonantal root in their ethnonym, from the point in time when cabala was developed.

>>18730703
>linguistic toponymy of y-z-d versus y-h-d
I mean, you do realize they're in the same language group.

>moved in during the Mongolian invasions
They're likely a satellite group of Semites and were out well before the rise of Islam.

>Genesis is widely known among Yazidim and Kurds.
You mean a language family shares a lot of folklore? Huh, who'd have thought.

>The Yazidim are the only people who keep the consonantal root in their ethnonym, from the point in time when cabala was developed.
You mean in the Prophetic/Apocalyptic era? Because that'd support them both (Yazidi & Mandaeans) being an older archaic genetic line set away from the more "Jewish" centers of Semetic culture to carry on their middle eastern Paganism.

Fuck, Yazidi paganism may as well be Ahl-e Haqq which is Western Iranian.

>>18730730
>I mean, you do realize they're in the same language group.

You are not recognizing the ethnographic argument about a name.

>They're likely a satellite group of Semites and were out well before the rise of Islam

What do you mean by out?

>You mean a language family shares a lot of folklore? Huh, who'd have thought.

So, you admit my assertion is evidenced.

>You mean in the Prophetic/Apocalyptic era?

Can you cite some years, then?

>Because that'd support them both (Yazidi & Mandaeans) being an older archaic genetic line

Can you cite any genetic markers?

The Mandaeans really diverge in belief around the time of John the Baptist.

>the more "Jewish" centers of Semetic culture

I am talking about the stationary group of people who live northeast of the Golan heights.

>middle eastern Paganism

So, the book of Genesis is pagan, now?

That is not an astute semantic argument.

>Yazidi paganism may as well be Ahl-e Haqq which is Western Iranian.

The Druze diverge in the late middle ages, during the crusades. Western and Southern Iran are the Kurdish parts of that country. Keep in mind that they used to be a part of Iraq.

>>18730776
>So, the book of Genesis is pagan, now?
First, that's not, at all, what I said, but now that you mention it, sounds a lot like Gilgamesh and/or any other early pagan origin myth.

>You are not recognizing the ethnographic argument about a name.
Well, linguistic anthropology tells us that groups with the same language family will have more similar practices, naming conventions, ideologies, and rites than those outside of the same linguistic family. Brazil is a really good case study of this.

If the Yazidi are Jews because they keep a more 'Jewish' name in a sea of Semitic names, then are Arabs Jews for using a Semitic alphabet in a sea of Semitic alphabets?

>What do you mean by out?
Fringe community.

>So, you admit my assertion is evidenced.
Ok, so why aren't they all Babylonian since Gilgamesh if they're all Hebrew because Genesis?

>Can you cite some years, then?
Kabbalah starts with Ezekiel as the earliest Merkabah and Hekhalot literature doesn't just pop into existence fully formed.

>The Mandaeans really diverge in belief around the time of John the Baptist.
I, um, know.

>Can you cite any genetic markers?
High prevalence of a variant H from the Iraq DNA Project (alongside the usual J).

>I am talking about the stationary group of people who live northeast of the Golan heights.
You do realize that centers of culture often have outlying areas where synchretism occurs, yes?

>>18710835
If you sit on a park bench staring at the sky not thinking about anything --- voila, you're meditating. It's about unifying your focus, it doesn't necessarily take effort. It *can* but that's concentration, like staring at a point on a wall.

It can simply take practice. It is like a muscle. Don't make excuses. Sit with the chaos, for months if necessary and eventually your mind will calm down and filter out the nonsense.

>>18712792
L. Ron Hubbard LOL

>>18714832
>>18716577
I agree. Fuck Justin Louv, go find the primary sources. Almost all of them are free online. That motherfucker charges money for liberation.

>>18719463
>>18719466
The brain is made of "drugs". Chemicals, compounds, molecules, what have you. Exercise is "drugs", diet is "drugs", thoughts are "drugs". They all affect the essence (consciousness) inside the vessel (the body).

>>18720832
I see a lot of people talk shit on chaos magic, understandably from the more formalized schools, but I think it's dependent on the practitioner.

Much like edgy antinomian thelemites that in other cases would be LaVeyan Satanists.

A better representative of the Chaos Magic paradigm would be R.A.W. You can see the influence in his lectures and writings.

--------------------------------

Also, I love all of you who post here. You might be the one redeemable quality of /x/ that makes me come back here.

Does Western Esotericism offer anything that can't be found in a better and more complete form in the Eastern schools? It really does seem like they do it all better, and I'm at the point where I think it'd be better to just suck it up, learn another language and go balls deep in the Eastern traditions.

It seems to be where everyone who follows Western Magic ends up anyway, so why not just cut ahead and avoid wasting any more time?

>>18730844

But anon, people are "Who", not "What". This poster >>18712784 used "What".

Ape do you have anything that's norse, british, or general european that you could recommend/ add to the library?

>>18730866
I know I'm just fucking around.

>>18730400
Very interesting, I understand nothing of Kabbalah, but that will change in the future. I'm a seeker of truth, and it seems that this will be a necessity to some degree, as it is the backbone of western esotericism.

>>18730935
Yeah, it's an integration of the conceptual and the mathematic.

Definitely worth checking out, even if you're non religious.

>>18730817
>First, that's not, at all, what I said, but now that you mention it, sounds a lot like Gilgamesh and/or any other early pagan origin myth.

Genesis is the book they use to connect on moral issues, not paganism.

Gilgamesh is the thing you can use if you want to talk to Persians, as in people from northern Iran.

>Well, linguistic anthropology tells us that groups with the same language family will have more similar practices, naming conventions, ideologies, and rites than those outside of the same linguistic family. Brazil is a really good case study of this.

So, you are not contradicting me in that case.

>If the Yazidi are Jews because they keep a more 'Jewish' name in a sea of Semitic names, then are Arabs Jews for using a Semitic alphabet in a sea of Semitic alphabets?

Do you have an etymology of the word 'Arab' that comes from something outside of Hebrew?

I do not think you are cognizant of the history of Islam. The Arabs were definitely Jews when we check their history as they wrote it. Are you arguing about the history of the Quyarsh and Himyarites?

>Fringe community.

Jesus was a bigger rabbi than John the baptist, in oversimplified modern terms. Do you have anything to remark about the schism between Elohist and Yahwist sources?

>Ok, so why aren't they all Babylonian since Gilgamesh if they're all Hebrew because Genesis?

Because the fall of Babylon describes a cultural fragmentation, and Genesis describes a cultural unification with specific chronology in Kurdish sources.

>Kabbalah starts with Ezekiel as the earliest Merkabah and Hekhalot literature doesn't just pop into existence fully formed.

Do you have the specific years?

>I, um, know.

Then why cite a range without finite closure?

>High prevalence of a variant H from the Iraq DNA Project (alongside the usual J).

That makes them more closely related to afroasiatic people, in matrilineal terms.

>centers of culture often have outlying areas where synchretism occurs,
Like Druze

>>18730935
You are welcome, that stuff and my uncle helped me understand the metaphysical side of higher mathematics. Stan Tenen is technically giving you an implicit intro to coding theory.

I do not like to talk about this all of the time, because it turns into a wizard fight; where the other side of the argument includes an accusation of blasphemy against a people who have recently been the target of genocide.

>>18730961
>The Arabs were definitely Jews
Or rather jews are arabs, you fucking worthless kike.

At some point it's clear your ancestors made a pact with some evil spirit and were transformed into what you are today.

>>18730993
Yeah, your 'allegory' flies right over my head, ignorance is bliss I suppose. I don't really inform myself on news, I just let the earth spin while sailing my own boat.
I'm hoping for more universities that offer esotericism in the future, but there's the one in Amsterdam, which was shared earlier in this thread. They teach about kabbalah, I'm hoping to learn a lot from that kind of study, for now, I'll be focused on learning what magic has to offer, reading about chaos magick for the moment.
I always felt in my zone doing math but resented the object as a whole, I think this kabbalah and sacred geometry will be something right down my alleyway.
No need to elaborate, it takes a lecture to grasp what you're talking about anyway, but I know for sure I'll be introduced to it in the future.
Binary can be used to understand the universe with cybernetics/fractals yadda yadda the matrix.

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>>18730844
>Says the burn out

There is a Discordian text which encourages the reader to find an advanced ritual used by some exclusive order, make changes to make the symbolism fit himself or herself, do the ritual, then email the leaders of the order, explaining to them how he or she did the ritual, the changes made to it, and how he or she got results far beyond anything that was described in the ritual instructions, concluding by noting that, as such, he or she will not be needing to join.

While this is hilarious, does anybody remember which text it's from off the top of their head?

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>>18734638
book of eris, as the book says,beware false eris

>>18734766
>All things are true.
>Even false things?
>Even false things are true.
>How can that be?
>I don't know, man, I didn't do it.

>>18734771
>>18734766
Is the five-fingered hand of eris supposed to symbolize a pot leaf?

>>18734791
Not in particular. But it's also not supposed to NOT represent one.

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>>18731344
Sure sure sure. You're full of shit, all you do is namefag and try to destroy conversation.

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Are there any memes/venn diagrams/lists/data sets that put the various elements of the shapers/movers/pushers of society into a relational network? Some visual that isn't obfuscated by its own mythos?

Will anon make a repeating thread that actively orchestrates a meta awareness? Kek was the result of convergences that occurred on accident (or with subtle influences). Thoth has had a recent resurgence. What will Anon do to manufacture the next modern synchronicity? Will information hazard such as "The game"/"Roko's basilisk/pascal's wager be a factor? Is the very nature of esoteric knowledge as thought worms deterministic? Is it fate?

>>18720107

They felt pity for you b/c they all could see exactly what you are. A poor, pathetic, loser. You manipulated them. You will feel these negative effects three fold.

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>>18735172
wiccan >>>/out/

>>18735172
Not that anon, but...
>You manipulated them.
So?
>You will feel these negative effects three fold.
Why would that happen?

I mean, don't get me wrong, if anybody actually needed that money and was guilt-tripped into giving or something, that's pretty shitty, but otherwise who gives a shit? And why would anon "feel these negative effects three fold?"

People do shitty things all the time and get away with it.

Hi anons, newfag here. Yesterday I saw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvPyipy8erg (Grant Morrison on Sigil Magick, Psychedelics, Reality and the Occult) and I did the sigil thing. This morning I woke up in a good mood, I went to the gym, I didn't procrastinate, I had a good morning basically; wich is unusual because im kinda depressed neet.
So I'm interested about this whole thing but don't know where to start. If you guys could tell me about books/videos/forums to get info I would appreciate it.
Thanks and sorry for my bad english.

>>18736431
My advice (that others probably won't agree with) is to download either "The Psychonaut's Field Manual" by Archtraitor Bluefluke (it can be found on deviantArt) or "Postmodern Magic" by Patrick Dunn (Google the title and "pdf" and you should find it).

Then follow the procedures in the book exactly, keeping track of how everything goes, what works for you and what doesn't, and so on.

Once you have some experience with fairly "belief-system-agnostic" magic (and you may plug in your own symbology and such if you happen to have a specific religion) I'd come back and browse Ape's library.

>>18736474
Why would you advise rehashed bullshit? They just ripped off the magic of the UFO culgs, who in turn used Nazi magic with the themes changed and watered down. Posthumanism an postmodernim are absolute bullshit.

>>18736671
>Posthumanism an postmodernism are absolute bullshit.
Tell me, which postmodernist philosophers have you read and then decided were wrong?

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>>18737873

Why is there a copy of The Iluminatus Trilogy in an occult library? Is is not supposed to be fiction?

>>18737850
>>18737857
>>18737873
>>18737876

What's this? Dcs3 is posted randomly on a bodybuilding website.

Advice for a new friend on understanding meditation and reaching zen? I have reached a point in my life where I can't be alone in silence I must always have a podcast or YouTube series playing and usually I'm not even paying attention to what's actually playing because my mind is always racing. I feel like meditation would help.

>>18738230
Work on strengthening your will power. Start small like not buying fast food every weekend or limit your time on the computer. Taking cold showers until your body stops involuntary shivering helps too.

>>18738230
Zen is a complicated doctrine. The best summary I can give you is that zen seeks to realize the inner Buddha nature devoid of learned modes of thought and action, and seeks to understand true reality devoid of delusional concepts. Its doctrine in non-dual; it sees everything as neither void nor form, and as both form and void and ultimately beyond that. Because of the infinite nature of reality, the Dharma, it cannot be described and expounded with language, relying on a esoteric relationship wherein secret knowledge is transferred instantaneously from teacher to student.
Meditation in the Zen school aims to tame the "monkey mind", unnecessary thought created by learned forms of thinking (the racing you are talking about), and depending on the school also to contemplate on the void and making satori - surprise enlightenment - easier to occur.
Realize these running thoughts are empty, and dismiss them. Focus meditatively on the mundane in the day, such as washing dishes, and do not let your mind wander. Be of a single minded nature, especially out of meditation sessions. When meditating, try to keep your mind free for at least the duration of an incense stick. If thoughts or feelings arise, turn your attention to them and realize their transitory and empty nature, and dismiss them.

>>18730844
"The Brain is Made of Drugs." This is true, but diet, in my country, is not, as they are defined as "any substance other than food..." and so on.
Yes but there is a difference between feeling good and having your brain release dopamine and emptying all the dopamine/seratonin by taking a large dose of MDMA. In other words, it's all about moderation. Like, a person who always uses drugs to gain higher consciousness, &c. Will generally be worse off for it than the individual who uses them as a stepping stone or one who does not use them at all. That's just based on personal experience with people I have known who have used the various methods mentioned above. Also, I'm not the guy you were responding to but I'm pretty sure what I just described is where the drugs conversation started.

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>>18713674

I'm not the guy, but your babble makes me sick. The whole mentality of 'You're only unhappy because you want to be!' is something only the delusional, optimistic and mentally retarded spout out. It sounds more like you're talking to someone you think is depressed rather than someone looking for a zen life. Some people are just depressed gloomy people, and that is simply the case.

>>18738862
I'm neither of these guys, but there's a difference between someone who is "just gloomy" and someone with mental illness. Being "just a depressed gloomy person" (unless you're referring to clinical depression) is indeed very likely a matter of willpower and action. Someone with actual mental illness needs medication (along with willpower and action, as well). He sounds like somebody who knows a thing or two, even if I disagree with how he went about sharing it

I have a question RE my qabalistic investigations of the nature of a certain entity I'm working with. I know its general attributes, abilities, and most other important parts. I know the sigil, name, etc. But am having trouble finding its name's "true spelling." All the variations I have tried lead to the same or similar conclusions (qabalistically/numerically), which is interesting but doesn't help in the practical sense. Am I looking at this the wrong way? All else I can divulge at this time is it's an entity that came to me in a vision, which I proceeded to evoke. Any info would be greatly appreciated, if anyone has insight into such things.

>>18707032
Not to be a cunt but what proof is there that magic has worked for any of you?

Id be curious to hear some stories of spells working.

>>18739049
>starts off "not to be a cunt"
>immediately cuntish

>>18739049
Thin of it like this: what evidence do you have that you are who you are? Sure, other people could tell you, but if you didn't really believe it yourself, would you take their word for it? Now, if you knew for a fact that you are you, despite whether nobody believed you or what anybody told you, wouldn't you still believe it? In a phrase, subjective experience.

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>>18739058
Look, I just want to hear some stories.

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>>18739064
>Tell me some stories of spells working
>what proof do you have that YOU are YOU

shiggy diggy

>>18739065
You asked what proof we have. I thought you were asking how we have proof. I was explaining in a way that describes it better. If you just want stories I'm sure anyone here could tell some, but are you really going to believe what some anonymous person says over the internet?

>>18739090
Just tell me them already.

>>18739049
I did a summoning where turning the lights off was part of the script, but they wouldn't turn on before I started, so I decided todo it in the dark, then check my circuit box because the timing of the summoning was significant. The lights turned on and off by themselves at the right part of the ceremony, then I saw the outline of the god clearly, felt ecstasy when he touched me

>>18739229
Interestingly, the summoning wasn't a success in terms of the goal I had going in

how bad of an idea is it to just go to Barnes and noble and start reading all the magick and enlightenment books.

I've seen binaural beats and such described as "crutches" for entering a trance.

Yet nobody says the same about actually beating rhythmically on a drum to induce a trance.

What's the difference?

>desire something
>spend a long time thinking about it and imagining myself having it
>usually get it eventually

Is this magic?

>>18739827
It's called the Law of Attraction.

>memegeton

What's a good place to start learning about Taoism and internal alchemy?

Mind you, I don't actually care about the philosophy, just the practices.

>>18727722
So Bardon invented the condensers, in other words? Or did I miss something?

>>18728253
Is this a transgender woman in the modern sense, or a female hermaphrodite?

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>yfw the will of God is the Will

I'm interested in comparing notes with folks on here: when you perform the GRH, do you perform it like the LRH except keyed to the particular planet? Or do you perform it only in the direction of said planet? Or perhaps different ways for different purposes? I only recently discovered that there were two methods, and I'm interested to know what people generally use, why, etc. The more responses, the merrier! Thanks!

>>18741982
Generally speaking I'll preform it like LRH but keyed and dropping all superfluous oration (analysis of IAO).

So I'll go round the room and trace a number of hexagrams equal to the planet's number while intoning the Godname.

I WOULD do it the other way (facing the planet) if I were some GDfag who had multiple ritual items for each 777 entry with temples constructed solely adoring one principle, but since I don't, I rely on my force of personality to project the intention into my ritual space (though I do use some proper 777 keys, I'm just not wasting any MORE cash than I already do by making a fresh trip to hobby lobby or whatfuckingever each time I have a new rite to perform).

>>18739293
>93
Really really bad.
You'll get ten titles that are worth something plus a deluge of garbage.

>>18738884
>Someone with actual mental illness needs medication
Well, they need a LOT, of which medication is just a component.

>>18738123
Depends on what you've flagged as fiction or not from its contents.

>>18742182
Cool. Maybe I'm just a n00b but I wasn't really aware of the single direction method, &c. until recently. I must have come across it at one point but I always it was performed like the LRH. Enlightening as always, Ape. Thanks!

>>18735953

This person said that because they misunderstand (along with almost everyone else) what "three-fold return" originally meant. Gardner created this "rule" to originally mean that YOU (the witch) were to return three-fold whatever had been done to you, whether for good or for ill. He never intended it to be the kind of "law" of universal mechanics that it's been misconstrued to be.

It was an exhortation to action, not a lecture on "magical physics".

>>18739676

They were described as that by some know-it-all who actually knew nothing then. Be VERY selective about the opinions of "experts".

>>18741419

https://www.amazon.com/Taoist-Kung-health-better-longer/dp/8122301150/

https://www.amazon.com/Taoist-Yoga-Sexual-Energy-Transforming/dp/1567188346/

I am a practitioner of Western Hermetic roots, and do yoga daily. I've recognized a lot of the symbolism in the postures themselves RE: chakras, &c., but I frequently do it along with a video (at least, when I'm being lazy). My question is: how can I get more 'spiritual' benefits out of the practice? Are there any good books to help me with this? What I have found so far is either strictly dealing with the physical aspects, or is new age bullshit. Thanks!

Does anyone have insight into >>18738982 ?

Somebody keeps popping up in threads swearing that the archons are gone...any insight?

>>18743298
yes. stop roleplaying

>>18739293
you'd get more mileage from llewellyn books

>>18739827
nope, just lazy

>>18738123
sometimes a work of fiction is also an act of magic

>>18742754
and sometimes a work of fiction is not an act of magic, even when it wants to be

>>18743298
Ape? Any thoughts? Thanks!

>>18743608
Your lack of ability to understand that which you have never experienced does not indicate lack of that experience on my part. Also, I'm sure you couldn't answer the question even if you suspended your disbelief. Does it make you feel superior to insult others when you don't understand them?

>>18743608
Dude, using Qabalistic methods to investigate the unknown is like, Hermetics 101

>>18743553
They will always be here as long as we exist.

>>18743675
That's what I was thinking. Like, somebody claims they can't see archons anymore, so assumes they don't exist, goes around swearing they are gone, but I have reason enough to believe otherwise. Thanks!

>>18738982
If you have a name that works well, use it. perhaps it has a name it would prefer to give you at another time, but until then I would recommend using whichever name works best.

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>>18743671
No you seem confused. Someone saying stop roleplaying doesn't mean break out a different rule book and try harder. Things don't have true names, that's bullshit for the young adult section at borders. The "qabalistic method" isn't a real phrase, you can find that out by typing it into google. If you'd ever bothered to read a book on the subject you'd know the phrase you were looking for is Gematria. And you'd also know that what you typed makes no sense. Kindly fuck off until you've actually read some books on the topic, you twat.

All statements are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in some sense.

When you understand in which senses the above statement is true, false, and/or meaningless, you are well on your way.

>>18744495
Not that anon, but he(?) said "qabalistic methods" not "the qabalistic method." That is, methods in qabala.

Also, true names weren't invented for YA fantasy. I don't necessarily believe in them either, but in Egyptian myth, Isis is said to have learned Ra's true me and gained control over him as a result.

>>18745328
In actual Egyptian mythology the king of the gods was decided by taking a dick in his ass. Perhaps our friend would like to try that as a means to gain power first.

>>18744464
THANK you for a sincere answer! The only thing I haven't been able to get is the spelling, I know the general pronunciation and approximate spelling. I've narrowed it down to four variations (in Hebrew) and their enumerations all point to the same number, when reduced.

>>18744495
I may also have been referring to Temurah or Notariqon, but your narrow mind couldn't conceive that gematria, notariqon, and temurah are ALL qabalistic methods of investigation.

>>18744464
Also, my investigations are primarily academic for now, as I'm not having any practical issues with the 'working title.' Thanks again!

>>18707032
any good pdfs or books for self altering spells? or does anyone know any good ones? I was looking through the library and couldn't find much

>>18746350
The Sacred Rite of the Calisthenics

>>18746606
>implying I don't already excercise moderately to stay healthy
>implying the spells would be for trivial things such as muscle growth

>>18746725
Actually, I assumed you were morbidly obese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34BXwlOmUjE

Some occult stuff seems to make philosophical sense, but I'm gonna be honest here: I'll read things about certain body parts having special abilities, or astrology, or things "being true because you believe it" and I can't take it seriously. How am I expected to believe that the fucking pancreas is a source of a certain kind of power? How does that even make sense? Somebody explain that shit to me.

>>18744495
All that anger and insult, and no response or admittance to at LEAST reading the question incorrectly? We understand if you don't want to admit to knowing less about Qabalah than you claim to, as that would be embarrassing after that little outburst of yours. Anyway, some enlightened occultist you must be.

>>18744495
Oh, I get it now, you're
>>18745715
Ignore my last request for response, you have given it quite clearly. Whether you meant to or not, I don't know.

>>18745953
Hey you've learned something already. Who know if you get called out for being a roleplaying twat enough you might get a proper education.

>>18747039


Ape, are you still around?

>>18747223
subscribe to the beliefs that resonate with you
there's enough texts and resource material out there for you to pick through and use what you believe or don't

>>18747223
see >>18745312

So I am reading modern magick
where should i read after this

>>18749397
Anything but DMK.

>>18749399
Dubs of truth.

>>18749399
what is DMK

>>18749399
Ape, do you use "condensers" at all? I'm not trying to harass you but I've been trying to find out, because I know how you feel about Bardon, (I feel the same way about him, from what I read in his book on evocation) and some guy in another thread said they were the only part of his work worth saving. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.

>>18749430
I mean, I can experiment myself, but I'd hate to put the effort in to find out it was all for naught...which is NOT my usual approach, but considering the source of the information, I'm going about it a bit differently.

OOO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA2axbKxcoQ

>>18749399
I have some vajrayana books that aren't in the library if you want