/omg/ Occultism & Magic General: Ersatz Revisited

Who?

There is no magic.

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>>18629776
caturday edition

>>18629828
No, there is. This post will be dubs/trips

>>18630273
There is no magic.

>>18630275
samefag gtfo

>>18630279
>Still no dubs or trips
Argument ignored.
There is no magic.

when did /omg/ become /ape/

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Bump.

Why isnt there the book of coming forth by night in the temple of set folder?

I cant find it and wanted to read it ever since I found out about the temple of set

RIP, for now.

See you on the next season (autumn/spring)... or on the next moon eclipse.

>>18630821
When I decided I was gonna host the library.

>>18631816
Full text in the Church of Satan history.

>>18631854
;_;7

>>18631816

It's in the Ruby Tablet. It's also appendix 2 in The Temple of Set Volume I.

You didn't put much effort into looking, did you.

Did Ape added the missing page in the Tantraloka?

>>18631961
Not yet.
Probably this weekend.

>>18630281
You become jaded and begging for a sign on /x/

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This really makes my three-brained self think

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>>18632187
Well technically it just radiates

do any of you systematically track the success/failure of your spells/rituals?

what's your success rate %?

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>>18632672
100%

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>>18629776
I've always been a rationalist and thought this stuff was autistic but I've developed a growing sense of feeling that I'm wrong.

I keep being reminded of the Shakespeare quote "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy"

I feel dead inside /x/. I know what I need to do with my life and I want to do it, but I fear that I am too weak to do it. My progression up from despair has been mediocre at best and in the end all I'm left with is a feeling of sterility.

I'm willing to do what it takes to gain the power whether it's luck, probability, confidence, motivation. I don't care if I sell my soul, devote hours on end or do something despicable, I just need something to change. I don't want my life to amount to dust: please someone help me.

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>>18632811
So what are you asking for here? Do you want to believe that you're really immortal? That after death you go to an eternal country club? Do you want to believe in reincarnation? That you can come back and do it all over again as many times as you'd like? Do you simply want to believe in gods and spirits and angels and all that without worrying to much about what comes after, so long as there is more to this existence than dust?

If it's just some garden grade anxiety bugging you, fuck it do some mindfulness and go on about your day.

What's all this about what you need to do? Do you think you have some grand destiny? And more importantly do you think that destiny involves hurting others? Because if that's the case the help you need is at a hospital, not on 4 chan.

The Kybalion is good book on hermeticism, yes? I'm not terribly familiar with the subject as a whole, and saw someone in another thread who was trying to dismiss it as new thought.

>>18632811

Follow the Tao as you will. Live your life. Be happy.
Learn to be satisfied regardless of external factors. Forget everything that you have been taught. Forget everything that you will be taught.
You are the source of all your judgments and preferences, and you already have the power to change them.
No one can teach you that which is inherent to your self. No guru or grimoire can aid you. Liberation and bliss are not things which you are taught or which are awarded to you. They are already present in you. You only have to make the choice to recognize or reject them.

The words that you will find are worthless. Do not ask for aid or explanation. Understanding is to be found through experience, not theoretical discussion and study.

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>>18632933
you could always just google the book and find out it was written by people who were part of the new thought movement, and not hermeticist

>>18632887
I have political motivations that in my opinion are going to be a net positive on the world. I do not believe in unprovoked violence. I don't think I'm going to be some grand emperor or something delusional like my name implies but I feel I'll play an important role in great change.

I don't really care about what happens to me after I die or if I'm reincarnated or any of that. I have clear goals in this world that I think are irrelevant to go into, however they are worldly, not really divine or anything beyond it.

My question is what can I do to further them. Mindfulness isn't what I'm talking about I'm talking about magic. If you believe I'm just being edgy by asking that so be it but you're not the person I'm looking for. I'm looking for someone who thinks reality can be influenced by the occult.

>>18632941
I don't believe this. I'm willing to suspend my disbelief for this but at the same time I don't think I need to detach from reality. I care what happens in this world and am attached to external factors.

I'm not sure the Tao is quite what I'm looking for.

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>>18633410

The Tao is the answer to all things, for all things are One. It's not about detaching, it's about fully immersing. Rather than just dipping in your toe to stir the water, cannonball in to the pool. Realize and accept your place in the whole if you truly wish to affect change. Once you attain Frequency with The One, your desires will be made manifest by the whole with but a thought.

>>18633410
Keep in mind karma IS real pal, I have seen multiple people sell their souls only to get fucked over in ways they could have never expected.

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Getting around to reading dion fortune. Was not expecting all the racism though I probably should have expected some of it.

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Always culture shock. Greer starts his books off apologizing for xir's pronouns. Fortune starts hers off explaining that Mongs and Negs just don't have the same kind of mind as Gentiles. crowley in true imperial fashion claims that you must subjugate a whole village in order to learn yoga. RAW's claims that you have to play with your own asshole while thinking about your mother to become enlightened.


When you reach true enlightenment god jumps out from behind a curtain and yells "The Aristocrats!"

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>>18633904
>When you reach true enlightenment god jumps out from behind a curtain and yells "The Aristocrats!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtZjeg6Oq_U

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>>18633904
>Greer starts his books off apologizing for xir's pronouns.
People will point at us in the future and laugh at this.

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>>18629776
Well one of us has to change

>>18633448
So this is Taoism you're referring to then? Any particular starting point I can look into?

>>18633461
Elaborate

>>18632933
Read the corpus hermeticum instead.

>>18633461
how/examples did they get fucked over

>>18634037

Reading Tao Te Ching until you've got a firm grasp of it is a good first step. I would suggest finding a version that has parallel/multiple translations.

>>18634576
Didn't Crowley translate it?

>>18630273
This board is too slow for those sorts of manipulations. Think of all events at any one time like a tree. If I'm in a busy city, I can pretty reliably get the walk signal to swap for me as I approach within ten feet of the signal (often while nobody is on the corner), if I'm unfocused and reaching out to my environment. Times like this are pretty gnarly, as in the foam at the crest of a wave. Someone who isn't planning to cross might idly press the walk signal as they're about to turn the corner. This works during hours when it's very busy, and not late at night. The number of possible sentient interactions with a thing influences the ability for the human mind to reach out.

Dubs happen every eleven posts. On a board like /trash/, /pol/, and /r9k/, your will can influence the probabilities a little easier.

I've actually got a lot of thoughts on this, gonna put a tripfag on

Astrologers and Biologers: why are people born in fall 33% less likely to get MS?

Comte de St. Germain is Vlad the Impaler confirm/deny.

>>18634037
Well, for karma; let me put it in layman's terms. Do good and good will come to you, do bad and well.. You can figure out the rest. As for selling your soul, many of my friends have sold their souls for power, money, all sorts of dumb shit. Only to be haunted by more presences and voices "in their head" than I have fingers on my hand, that break them down and traumatize them so much to the point where they are literally a shadow of their former self. My personal motto has always been "make a long term investment in your own power rather than hand it to someone else". Hard work trumps everything.

>>18632811
>. I don't want my life to amount to dust:
Well that's too bad. Dust is the destiny of all material things, all temporal things.

>>18635151
>own power
>long term investment

HOWTO Sell Your Soul:

Method 1: Write a contract, light some candles, cut yourself. Good for getting haunted.

Method 2: Actually believe the magician trip. Good for doing some tricks, until you croak and discover that St. Germain is also dead.

Method 3: Learn an instrument and work your ass off. Maybe you go out like Cobain, and maybe you go out like Lennon, and maybe you go out like Elvis. Best case scenarios, obviously. Who cares.

Method 4: Pretty much everything else that people do. Whatever you want. Whatever you think is good for you, with as much work as you want to put into it. That's how you get what you want, and that's how you lose your soul.

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>>18633914
>>18633927
Exactly.

Ape you've gotten into some shit that's far more eclectic than I have. Would love to hear of some times where you've had to put down the book and wonder what the hell was wrong with the author.

>>18635308
You know, rather than green-texting what I said how about you come up with a valid counterargument.

>>18635308
Unless all you're capable of doing is greentexting, lol.

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>>18635368

Expecting a mandrill to offer up actual conversation instead of baring its fangs and throwing feces is a tad silly, friend. Just ignore it and go about your day. Picture related.

>>18629795
Are you new?

>>18633904
Good post.

Any truth to real lab based alchemy? Frater Albertus seemed to make progress in this field along with Regardie and the Paracelsus Research Society. They even claim to have produced what appeared to be primitive crustacean like beings.

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Just peeking.
Theyre working my ass to death over here.

This is not what I meant by Money Draw.

>>18633927
At least he is not using a made up pronoun.

>>18633461
Karma is cause and effect. If you give up your power to someone malevolent, of course you get fucked. What are you going todo, call the spirit police whe you get mistreated?

>>18636250
Well I'm sure if anyone WAS successful, they wouldn't talk about it. ;)

>>18632933
both kybalion and initiation into hermetics are shit

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Morning bump.

Where do I start here?

>>18638113
If you want folk magic, I'd start with some sort of premade, reputable magic thing which has concrete results. Like getting money, or getting a boss of your back. That will prove to you that magic is real. For me it was a money spell. Then, read books and do. I dabbled in magic a couple years before that first experience that proved to me, beyond just that spirits are real, that magic works.

>>18638222
I meant what books should I start with in that folder. There's hundreds and I don't know where to start.

>>18638241
Well when you think of doing magick, what does it look like to you? Are you saying spells, calling to spirits, doing ceremony, mixing and burning herbs? There are many avenues in the magic arts.

>>18638276
Herbs and alchemy type stuff has always been the most interesting to me I would say.

>>18638222

Rofl

What's the money thing? I'm poor as hell and need some dosh.

P.S. does necromancy real? Gotten sort of interested in it lately.

>>18638375
It was a reiki-infused money candle made by a company called crystal journey. The thing is though, I didn't even have the candle for it to work. I read the invocation to see what I'd have to say and planned to do the spell the next day but two hours later my mom gave me 250 dollars in amazon gift cards because she found rewards points out of the blue and had no idea what to do with it.

Necromancy is definitely real. Each according to his talent.

>>18638241
I often suggest these:

Psychic Self Defense by Dion Fortune (Hermetic Golden Dawn).
Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson (useful for Chaos Magic).

You shoud read both books.

>>18630864

Does the library contain any of Bardons writings? I searched where it seemed logical but couldn't find any

>>18640498
Nope. Ape does not like Bardon but you can easily get pdfs in google

>>18638039

You get a cookie for so strictly following the party line. Just don't ask what's in it...

>>18634581

He paraphrased someone else's translation.

>>18633860

I know, right? Imagine the nerve of that privileged bitch claiming that different kinds of people are actually (GASP!) different!

Stop being such a faggot and it won't bother you so much.

>>18640579
kys

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>>18640597
It's always amusing when the intolerant call for tolerance. Even if certain groups tend certain ways, there is enough variability for anyone to be anything. Also since I'm guessing you haven't read it, she says that white people don't have the capacity to be patient and devoted enough for hardcore eastern spiritual work.

>>18640579
Hi /fringe/

>>18638222
>trips

>>18636122
>dubs
Thanks

>>18638241
Agrippa's 3 books of occult philosophy.

Are there any good resources in the library (or elsewhere) that go over visualization exercises? I've been meaning to attempt to do the LBRP for a while but I wasn't sure if I needed to be well-grounded in visualization first.

>>18642157
Sports science/exercise physiology is the king of visualization.

>>18640526
Okay, thanks

Nice collection. Thanks Ape

>>18642336
You're very welcome, mate.

>>18642734
why is your name Ape of thoth?

>>18642736
Because that's what I typed into the namefield.

do any of these books teach anything practical?

>>18642819
Some of them. Ape has a very strong anthropological bend which is useless for someone who actually wants to do magic instead of read about people guessing at traditions.

>>18642821
Except when ethnographers actually describe the protocols and functions of a rite, going so far as to, for example, publish highly guarded clan songs for harnessing the power of dark Warao shamanism, but I'm sure having access to said information does nothing in a practical ritual context.

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>>18642819

"Practical" knowledge is nigh worthless in this field if you don't fully understand the mechanics and theory involved to make it work. Given that you don't already seem to understand that, I venture to say that you need further study and a bite of humble pie.

>>18642846
feels bad man

>>18629776
Is there a recomended reading order?

>>18642842
>for example, publish highly guarded clan songs for harnessing the power of dark Warao shamanism,

Where can I find that?

How come "srs bzns" Platonist occultists and more playful postmodern ones both get results?

>>18642955
In Darkness and Secrecy: The Anthropology of Assault Sorcery and Witchcraft in Amazonia.

>>18643152
?
Who cares?
It's almost like the praxes don't give a shit if you're having fun v. working hard, so long as you're doing it.

>>18643164
>Who cares?
Idle curiosity, mostly.

>>18643164
What folder is it in?

>>18642747
kek

>>18643224
Shamanism, iirc.
Still need to scan Dark Shamans: Kanaima and the Poetics of a Violent Death

>>>/his/2378517

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>>18643152
cause all things are true

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>>18643864
And everything is permitted.
>Karma? Fuck that fake ass basic bitch.

>>18643871
You do voodoo Palo?

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>>18643871
>all things are false

Karma is incidental, the eye of creation doesn't stare your way

>>18644052
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO5R_OSZvoc

>>18638382

Share invocation, please. I want to give it a whirl.

>>18644110
"May prosperity flow freely through my life. I sense a natural attraction to wealth and its comforts. Let me embrace prosperity in all forms."

Kamalashila's ten stages in development of ahamatha according to Alan Wallace:
Directed attention: can focus on object
Continuous attention:maintain attention for a minute
Resurgent attention: recover swiftly when distracted
Close attention: object no longer forgotten
Tamed attention: satisfaction in samadhi
Pacified attention: no longer resistance to attention training
Fully pacified attention: attachment melancholy and lethargy are pacified
Single pointed attention: samadhi is sustained without excitation or laxity
Attentions balance: flawless effortlessly sustained samadhi
Shamatha: effortlessly maintained concentration for four hours

>>18643685
Where is this from?

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>>18644052
Palo Mayombe and folk magick/hoodoo.

But, I know a little about a lot of other practices too.
I tried lots of things before I got here.

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>>18645336
I may bump tonight with some how to's.
Its been a while since I posted any and Im tired of just endless gabbing for now and need a change for a bit.
Otherwise, gotta head off to work now.

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>>18645099
Such things aren't static and may change from night to night.

>>18645369
Sounds like that could be fun, go for it.

>>18645336
Mine nigra. I'm all about folk magic/hoodoo. Glad someone else like that is in here, even if its just time to time.

What do you think about this video? Is it a good ABC's of Hoodoo? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_BgJhFAtBI

>>18645369
If you could post your hoodoo ABC's that would be great.

I think OP should include info about beginner folder existing and maybe answers for constantly asked questions such as what to read first or in what order, the answer to which is "if you can't figure it out yourself you're fucking retarded and won't get anywhere in the occult anyway, faggot"

>>18645689
I'm seriously baffled about what's so hard to understand when someone says "Start where you're interested".

If you don't have a notion of where you'd like to start, it's probably an indication you need to do a touch more research.

>>18645709
glad you agree

>>18645709
I disagree completely. Knowing where you want to start and knowing the books that correspond with that desire do not go hand in hand. No one is born with the knowledge of the contents of every book in their head. Or even the best or more talked about occult practices. Not everyone is an anthropologist turned occultist.

>>18645761
>occultist turned anthropologist
ftfy

It takes *less* time to google a query about what you may be interested in than it does to type out a question here and wait for a reply.

>>18645775
Quality > instant gratification. It's much better imo to have a dialogue with actual people than to just google a topic. Sometimes the top results are bullshit and you won't find information coming from a wealth of experience on google unless you happen upon a blog. Not to mention the purely social aspect of posting on a forum. Are you some kind of unhappy hermit that you don't know the joys of talking to an actual person?

Make a FAQ or get over the fact that you have people asking basic questions.

On the other hand, don't, because that would be tedious to read. Better to answer questions on a case by case basis since different people want different things from the occult and want to do it differently and its not like this is a super fast thread that is being clogged up by questions from beginners. Stop being such an elitist because you've already learned the basics. You weren't born knowing what you know now. You're not better than Anons, namefaggot.

>>18645782
>Quality > instant gratification
If you think I can summarize better than the dearth of articles on something as limited as Wikipedia, you overestimate my ability to navigate for others.

Nobody can do the research for you. Not me, not a website.

>Sometimes the top results are bullshit and you won't find information coming from a wealth of experience on google unless you happen upon a blog.
Wait, you *don't* look for five or six pages after the first when you run a search?

>Are you some kind of unhappy hermit that you don't know the joys of talking to an actual person?
I wouldn't describe "How do I into [basic shit]" as a 'joy'. I already council undergrads on research projects. At least on campus I get paid.

>make a FAQ
No.
>or get over
No, because 1) It's not a problem, and 2) if people want me to spoonfeed them it'll be on my time and nobody elses'.

>Better to answer questions on a case by case basis since different people want different things from the occult and want to do it differently and its not like this is a super fast thread that is being clogged up by questions from beginners.
Glad we agree.

>Stop being such an elitist because you've already learned the basics.
>being actively literate is "elite".
What a world we've come to.

>You weren't born knowing what you know now.
Exactly, it came from lots of research, and, again, nobody else will do that for you.

>>18645790
>If you think I can summarize better than the dearth of articles on something as limited as Wikipedia, you overestimate my ability to navigate for others.

If the fact that when I say quality you automatically assumed I was talking about your answers and only your answers isn't proof that you're a huge nameFAGGOT then I don't know what is.

>Nobody can do the research for you. Not me, not a website.

We've all done our own research and have experimented. We are as qualified to point a newbie in a direction that has given us results as literally anyone on the internet.

>Wait, you *don't* look for five or six pages after the first when you run a search?

No.

>I wouldn't describe "How do I into [basic shit]" as a 'joy'. I already council undergrads on research projects. At least on campus I get paid.

I meant joy for the questioner. And that's more about you than anyone else. I love initiating newbies into what I've found to be beneficial to my life. I've always disliked your intense bend toward anthropological interpretations and armchair participation in the occult.

>being actively literate is "elite".
>What a world we've come to.

It isn't your literacy I take issue with. It's the attitude that since you know what you're doing and seem to have done it autodidactically that people who come here asking for guidance from Anon's are somehow less than you. That's smugness and elitism and indicative of a bad personality.

>Exactly, it came from lots of research, and, again, nobody else will do that for you.

I never said anyone could. Keep up with the conversation. Reread my posts if your attention span is so short that you think that is what I'm talking about.

>>18645808
>If the fact that when I say quality you automatically assumed I was talking about your answers and only your answers isn't proof that you're a huge nameFAGGOT then I don't know what is.
You were speaking to me implying that quality would be better in our answers ('our' being the denizens of this thread) than meandering through websearches.

>We are as qualified to point a newbie in a direction that has given us results as literally anyone on the internet.
Then why is the onus on me to hold the lamp more than I already do for people who may or may not have interest in following through? Why aren't *YOU* making FAQs or answering basics or making your own collections of material?

>No.
Maybe if more people did, we wouldn't get questions that could be answered faster on google.

>I love initiating newbies into what I've found to be beneficial to my life.
I do too, hence the library.

>and armchair participation in the occult.
How many tens of thousands of times have you done resh, anon? LBRP? Lemegeton? GRH? Rite of the Equinox? Stellar Transvokation? How many times have you run or participated in a temple initiation? How many Gnostic Masses have you led?

>It's the attitude that since you know what you're doing and seem to have done it autodidactically that people who come here asking for guidance from Anon's are somehow less than you
They're not less than me. I don't know where you got this notion other than maybe projection. I just would like it if people could take the time out of their busy day to run a google search before barging in here to ask babby's first question. Because nine times out of ten, I'm going to link to sites that would pop up in the first handful of google results.

>con't

>>18645816
>>18645808
>That's smugness and elitism and indicative of a bad personality.
>"Hey, guys, maybe have the common courtesy to run a google search or skim the library before asking a question so we don't waste each others' time" is smug, elite, and indicative of deficient personality.
Anon, if you went in asking questions to a professor about what material will be appearing on the syllabus after already having the syllabus handed to you, the reply would probably be less polite than mine.

>if your attention span is so short
If we're going to start in with the well poisoning this quickly, then I doubt you're here for truly constructive feedback.

>>18645099
Weird. Why does this remind me of lucid dreaming so much?

>>18645816
>You were speaking to me implying that quality would be better in our answers ('our' being the denizens of this thread) than meandering through websearches.

That's right. You missed that the first time around.

>Then why is the onus on me to hold the lamp more than I already do for people who may or may not have interest in following through? Why aren't *YOU* making FAQs or answering basics or making your own collections of material?

It's not about you. I said make a FAQ because you are usually the one who makes the OP and seems to think he's the lord of the thread. That big head comes with those kind of responsibilities. I won't make a FAQ because I'm not booty-bothered when someone new comes in asking a basic question. That would be you.

>Maybe if more people did, we wouldn't get questions that could be answered faster on google.

If only ifs and buts were coconuts.

>I do too, hence the library.

Your library is huge and unwieldy, lacking a search function and no >>18645689
>beginner folder

>How many tens of thousands of times have you done resh, anon? LBRP? Lemegeton? GRH? Rite of the Equinox? Stellar Transvokation? How many times have you run or participated in a temple initiation? How many Gnostic Masses have you led?

I don't do ceremonial magic.

>They're not less than me.

I agree.

>I don't know where you got this notion other than maybe projection.

From your words. You all but said it.

>I just would like it if people could take the time out of their busy day to run a google search before barging in here to ask babby's first question.

Too bad, that's not how people work and it isn't disruptive.

>barging

Telling choice of words, namefaggot. This isn't your thread and its the only magic on consistently on /x/. All experience levels are welcome despite your OBVIOUS disdain for people who know less than you.

>>18645816
>Because nine times out of ten, I'm going to link to sites that would pop up in the first handful of google results.

Again, acting like you're the only one participating in this thread. This is an occult general not Ape of Thoth magic corner. Other people answer question, including myself. I don't google to answer question. I use what I have in my mind to give perhaps uncommon suggestions that have helped me and cannot be found by googling "babby's first magic." You're so fucking self-obsessed you can't help but interact with general questions and topic as if they were posed directly to you and no one else. How is it that you've apparently so experienced occultically but have yet to develop circumspection?

Maybe you've focused too much on doing what you will and not enough on clearing the doors of perception so that you can see the people around you and what kind of energy you bring to the table.

>"Hey, guys, maybe have the common courtesy to run a google search or skim the library before asking a question so we don't waste each others' time" is smug, elite, and indicative of deficient personality.

>I'm gonna reword what I said initially to be more palateable and polite and maybe no one will notice that I softened the edges out of what I said at first.

>Anon, if you went in asking questions to a professor about what material will be appearing on the syllabus after already having the syllabus handed to you, the reply would probably be less polite than mine.

Apples and oranges. It's telling that you're the professor in this analogy and the questioner the student. Also telling that a lecture has only one professor. More self-obsessed solipsistic framing.

and what syllabus? There is none. Only a library. So it's more like asking a librarian ""On the subject of this topic, which books would you recommend?" This is a totally acceptable interaction.

>>18645818
If we're going to start in with the well poisoning this quickly, then I doubt you're here for truly constructive feedback.

Criticism isn't well-poisoning. It's pointing out that you're already unwell and the symptom of that unwellness. In this case, responding to something that was never part of my side of the conversation and using that false premise to bolster your argument. An inability to follow the actual conversation is a deficiency in attentiveness. You can try to virtue signal your way around a criticism but it's still true.

>>18645988
>It's not about you
Then maybe stop addressing me like it is then taking offense when I reply in kind?

>I won't make a FAQ because I'm not booty-bothered when someone new comes in asking a basic question.
I repeat that I'm not particularly bothered by any questions.

>lacking a search function
Yeah, but it's not.

>I don't do ceremonial magic.
And yet, you bitch at me for being an "armchair" occultist?

>You all but said it.
Sure didn't.

>Too bad, that's not how people work and it isn't disruptive.
That's exactly how curious and engaged people work, actually.

>This isn't your thread and its the only magic on consistently on /x/.
1) Been my thread for like six years or so.
2) You don't like the way I do things? Make your own.

>>18646009
>Again, acting like you're the only one participating in this thread.
Right now, it's only us.

>This is an occult general not Ape of Thoth magic corner.
It will be for as long as I'm the one making the most contributions to the library.

>You're so fucking self-obsessed you can't help but interact with general questions and topic as if they were posed directly to you and no one else.
For the third time, you're addressing me personally and getting offended when I reply personally. I don't think that's how this is supposed to work, but if anyone else wants to throw in their two cents and/or make a document I don't mind reposting, be my guest. I take requests and suggestions, in case folks have forgotten.

>Maybe you've focused too much on doing what you will and not enough on clearing the doors of perception so that you can see the people around you and what kind of energy you bring to the table.
So far all you're bringing is some seriously dense bitching and whining.

>More self-obsessed solipsistic framing.
Fourth time you've gotten asshurt for me replying to things addressed to me, both in verbal reference and in the reply chain.
>con't

>>18646028
>""On the subject of this topic, which books would you recommend?"
Someone throw out a topic and I'll recommend a book. What seems to be happening, instead, is that someone (you?) is upset that I've not constructed a detailed FAQ about how to:
>navigate the library
>do basic occult research
>put together reading lists on individual subjects more basic and narrow than what I place in the library
>etc.

>>18646022
Implying I don't have the attention span to interact with you at a meaningful level certainly is, but then you let your bias be clearly known when you said you dislike me already because "anthropology and armchair".

>You can try to virtue signal your way around a criticism but it's still true.
???

>>18645980
control of attention is where they're both at, high synergy if you practice both

>>18646032
>virtue signal
so sick of this phrase

>>18646432
So practicing both makes for the best outcome. Awesome. I'll look into the other half I just learned about today then. I have lucid dreams sometimes. It's more on following my dream self on what he's doing like a 3rd POV videogame where the dream characters occasionally break the 4th(?) wall and address me instead of my dream self. I'm still new to this so it never lasts that long.

What's gonna possibly happen if you try to meditate during a lucid dream? Does one obtain something like a 2X experience bonus/understanding in practice since achieving a stable lucid dream is like a special event?

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>>18645808
For a while I was posting an faq for newbies at or near the top of every thread. You'll find that the people who are too lazy to google are also to lazy to read the thread.

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>>18645988
>I don't do ceremonial magic.

>>>/out/

All magic is ritualized, if you don't do ceremonial magic than you don't do magic.

>>18635351
This.

>>18646612
I do hoodoo and pray and talk to spirits. That is not ceremonial realy.

>>18646032
is there a book in the library bout the occult significance of jewelry, perhaps a cross-section of different cultures?

>>18646738
Nope, just specific archaeo-historical materials. Gnostic amulets, iirc.

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>>18646753
>Gnostic amulets
>>18645709
>>18645775
>>18645790
>>18645816
>>18645818
>>18646028
>>18646032

>>18646757
>biting the hand that feeds because nobody's put together "The Complete Anthropology and History of Mystical Charms and Jewelry".
If you need it so bad integrate the bits I have into a text and publish it yourself.

>>18646770
Don't listen to him thoth, I still appreciate your work. Did that amulet for feeling pussy for the first time ever pay off?

>>18644129

Okay, I said it whilst I was pooping earlier. Messed up once and then said it correctly.

Tell me more about necromancy or please, direct me to where I can learn more about it. If you would be so kind.

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>>18646733
Yes but unless you make it up new every time what you're doing is ritualized.

>>18646782
>Tell me more about necromancy or please, direct me to where I can learn more about it. If you would be so kind.
Forbidden Rites, in the Grimoires folder.

>>18646778
>Did that amulet for feeling pussy for the first time ever pay off?
Yeah like fourteen plus years ago.

>>18646782
I don't know much about necromancy yet so I can't help you.

>>18646787
Hoodoo is not what is known as ceremonial magic. First off understand that.

>>18646788
Birth doesn't count.

>>18646798
Tell that to Jake Stratton Kent.

>>18646805
I'm thirty, my FUNposting friend.

>>18646808
>Jake Stratton Kent

Where is he? Point him out.

>>18646817
He's the over the hill queen with the librarian glasses and a Hawkwind album on repeat.

what are the best books on the library to start on goetia or just general stuff?

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What if Marcionism is wrong and the New Testament deity is evil whilst the Old Testament is the good guy?

>>18647009
Um, Lemegeton.

https://youtu.be/k8AMGJltrtE

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>>18645518
>>18645586
>>18645587
I was TRYING to put this together and my battery ran out.
I powered up on fumes to let you know Im trying to get this done for you.
It would be nice if my replacement battery would deliver.

>>18647236
Thanks. I can't wait.

Hey there!
Am I suppossed to build off into the other topics based off of the begginer meditation and yoga?

Thanks a lot!

>>18646519
Alan Wallace, the guy I was talking notes on, has books on dream yoga and shamatha

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I see a lot of meditative excercises across many schools of thought that involve the jaw.

Is there a way to change the structure of the jaw to adjust bite and be able to do these more effectively?

As is my bite fits with my jaw too behind leaving me almost chinless and when I relax the jaw its my normal face but my teeth only meet in the front.

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>>18646798
You see now we are arguing semantics because you misused a word. Ceremonial in the sense you're thinking would include things like gnosticism,GD, and certain branches of paganism. Ceremonial in this case meaning things requiring a temple and a group for an elaborate ceremony. But most of the things listed by thoth were solo work, not ceremonial in that sense. So do you have some practice that you do nighty, or at least frequently?

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Is there anything on summoning? I've browsed, but can't seem to find anything.

Are the Tantraloka scans complete?

>>18647804
I wanna know too.

>>18647613
Goetic shit nigga

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>>18646808
>Jake Stratton Kent.
to be fair, Kent is looking at hoodoo and ATR through a distinctly ceremonial lense with their background in goetic and other ceremonial practices. Just because hoodoo methodology can be used in ceremonial practices doesn't mean it is itself ceremonial.
>>18646845
lel

>>18645586
there's a lot more folk magicians/hoodoos/rootworkers around than it may seem.

>hoodoo ABC's
Honestly this is cringey as fuck. Im not a huge fan of ladygravedancer or her channel. There is an ongoing practice in neo-paganism to gobble down as much hoodoo practice as they can. This is 'ok' hoodoo has survived much worse than having some traditions lifted (hell they lifted 90% of their own) but what I dont really appreciate is looking at hoodoo practices as simply a physical praxis of techniques that can be adapted. There are spiritual, cultural, and social beliefs that go along with these practices. You cant just cram a bunch of hoodoo and conjure techniques into a primarily western-european witchcraft derived, neo-pagan system. I mean you CAN, do what you want, but I think its disingenuous and fucking tacky.

Also I dont trust any "witch" or "hoodoo" who cant fucking pronounce Hekate's name.

>>18646612
>All magic is ritualized,
not exactly
>if you don't do ceremonial magic than you don't do magic.
I think this is a pretty limited view of what magic is and how it operates. There is definitely a divide between what we would call ceremonial magic, and what we would call folk magic or low magic. Just because something can be ritualized, does not mean it needs to be to work, and just because something is not ceremonial magic doesn't mean it's not magic.

>>18646452
>so sick of this phrase

Stop doing it then.

>>18641963

I'm just getting intolerant of the intolerant calling me intolerant in the name of tolerance. Nobody knows who you are, so the good-guy badge isn't doing you any good here.

>there is enough variability for anyone to be anything

That's so beautiful. Brings a tear to my eye. Is it possible for you to be variable enough to be something other than a cocksucker? Didn't think so.

>>18641319

Keep dreaming.

What is Tantraloka? What is Vigyan Bhairav Tantra or Vijnana Bhairava?

To get the subject off pointless bickering. What is everyone's favorite spell?

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>>18648120
> the good-guy badge

And here we run into the problem that statistically speaking, racists have lower average IQ's than blacks, so in hopes of a better tomorrow for my nation I should be lobbying for your deportation first.

>>18647950
The divide is semantic and based more on ego than on a substantive difference in the nature of what is practiced. Without codified ritual there is no tradition. Without following the ceremonies created by those who practiced before you, you aren't v/hoodoo, you're eclectic at best and insane at worst.

>>18648876
>The divide is semantic and based more on ego than on a substantive difference in the nature of what is practiced. Without codified ritual there is no tradition. Without following the ceremonies created by those who practiced before you, you aren't v/hoodoo, you're eclectic at best and insane at worst.

Can you stop being an autist? More people know the difference by what is meant as ceremonial magic and low/folk magic. Just because you want something to be otherwise won't make it so or make your wishes reality. You don't got that kind of juice to change how most of the world calls things. And the distinction has nothing to do with whether a ritual is involved or not. Ceremonial magic is more rigid than folk magic. You want to control someone in ceremonial magic? Set your circle, fall to the four corners, say your invokation, ask for what you want, banish, thank the for corners. You want to control someone in low/folk magic? Sprinkle some licorice root in the four corners of the room he spends the most time. Make a petition paper and burn a candle. Put some control powder in his path. Steal his underwear and tie it together with your underwear and keep it under your bed. Take a picture of him, a lock of his hair, and put it in a box with some herbs that are good for coercion. (just examples of what's out there)

These are clearly distinct methodologies. Which is why they are known as different classes of magic. You tipping like a very smart retard won't make it otherwise.

>>18648876
>racists have lower average IQ's than blacks
[source very much...doesn't exist]

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>>18647938
Sevis...I love you.
Will you leave your husband and your bookstore and run away with me?
Im a good cook.
But, I cry alot when I drunk and I have a bad temper.
Just sayin.

>>18647248
Okay, here is what I was trying to say earlier before my battery died.
First, I only made it through a few seconds of the video.
I skipped around a lot.
But, I got the basic idea enough to give a critique.
First off, the majority of her ABCs are about getting men.
I find this very shallow and banal.
Hoodoo and Diaspora is not about young adult romance novel tier love spells with candles.
That position is solely reserved for Wicca.
I really do think I upchucked in my mouth a little when what I was seeing was
"Get a man. Clean house. Lose man. Clean house."
Sorry men folk, youre just NOT that important.
And, if all I did was mop all damn day, I would probably shoot myself in the face.
What a boring and fucking dismal life.
Sympathetic magick is alot more complex than that, and involves some things those basic bitches would cry about having to touch or do or even think about.
We are dealing with blood and guts and fur and bone and dirt and mud and all the things modern man scoffs at.
Now with only part of my disgust expressed and the rest quenched with sleep, Im going to make Sevis cringe AGAIN.
I thought about these pretty hard.
If a word I picked didnt feel right I went back and worked on it harder.
Im still not happy with my pick for "U", but my brain went into stupid mode and its all I could come up with.
So, keep in mind that "U" is a take it or leave it, and could be thrown straight out.
And your not getting a poem, because Im not Robert Frost.
Get over that with a quickness.
Alligator Paw
Brick dust
Cascarilla
Devil’s Shoestring Root
Egungun
Firma
Goofer Dust
Horse Shoe
Indigo Water
Jamaica Pepper
Kongo
Lock of hair
Mercury head dime
Nkisi
Onion skins
Penny Royal
Quicksilver
Rooster
Shed snakeskin
Tambor
Uncross
Valerian Root
Wormwood
Xylography
Yarrow
Zarabanda

>>18649058
If it's not too much to ask could you elaborate on the significance of those things? Thanks so much.

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>>18649042
Give me a fucking break.
There is NO PLACE for this in this thread.
I suggest you shut the fuck up OR STAY ON TOPIC.

If you think White is right, and you want to talk about that instead, theres a place called /pol/ that would be happy to help you with that.
Because what you are looking for ISNT IN THIS PLACE.
So either keep your racism to yourself, or mysteriously get kidney stones (because I am THAT bitch)...take your pick.

>>18649089
I can.
Give me a bit, battery is down to 7% AGAIN.

>>18649091
I was replying to >>18648876 who said that racists have lower IQ's than blacks. [Which is wrong].

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>>18649098

>>18649104
>implying...?

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>>18649106

>>18649112
You're the fedora in this situation?

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>>18649114

I can see a lot of interesting looking texts in the area,but which of them is best for a beginner learning about voodoo?

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>>18649125
Go learn about West African animistic religion first.
The type of things you are needing are not in the library yet.
So, study up on animism, spiritism, and ancestor cults.
Then, get into sympathetic magick.
I usually suggest comparative religion too.

Ill help you a little bit:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_African_religions

https://www.britannica.com/topic/African-religions&ved=0ahUKEwjat_X7lJzSAhXqy4MKHU5fBcgQFghxMA4&usg=AFQjCNHkjzTIklnDiTG12vTesEN_vK8UAA&sig2=miHpk-4jaTq0l8oiHJTxBg

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>>18649089
Alligator Paw
This is a traditional Delta/Bayou good luck charm.
Sort of like a rabbits foot.
Gator is a fearsome animal, and most Diaspora animal paw curios deal with fearsome creatures.
Either the powers and symbolism of the animal, the traits of the animal, or something the animals paw could represent.
In this case, think about how an alligator hunts.
It seems sleepy and slow until suddenly it darts out, snatches up its prey, and crunches its bones within its powerful jaws.
The alligators paw carries the same power.
It jups out and snatches what you want out of life.
It takes life by the horns and rips out what you need.
Most people these days keep alligator paws for snatching up money, but it can be used for any urgent desperate need.
Animal paws are usually for RECEPTIVE magick.
When you want to be given something "in your hand".
The alligator is the active aspect of this.
I would also suggest the alligator for defensive magick.
Get too close you may lose a leg.
Start shit, get bit.

The root of this is in animal totems and fetishes.

>>18649161
thanks for the help, ill get reading

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>>18649040

> More people know the difference by what is meant as ceremonial magic and low/folk magic.

More people than what? Certainly not more people than not. The vast majority of the world could give all of two fucks about our niche hobby, much less know anything about antiquated jargon. The question thoth asked boiled down to
>Whats your daily and how much have you practiced?

And the response boiled down to

>I don't do magic I just fall over drunk on a chicken three times a year,

>>18649042
Hodson, G. & Busseri, M.A. (2012). Bright minds and dark attitudes: Lower cognitive ability predicts greater prejudice through right-wing ideology and low intergroup contact. Psychological Science, 23, 187-195.

Look through the papers that cite that one if you need more clarification. Now back to /pol/ with you.

>>18647804
>>18647807
Shit, it's still missing the one page from the last chapter. Gonna do that when I get home.

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>>18649211
>>I don't do magic I just fall over drunk on a chicken three times a year,
And what, pray tell, is wrong with that if the chicken enjoys it too?
What if the chicken is one of those trampling masochists, huh? Huh, huh?
That chickens getting laid 3 times a year... more than me and more than some of the people on this board.
Let your freak flag fly - rock on, chicken.

>>18649058
>>18649089
Red brick dust.
This is a grlund powder used in the diaspora to create wards and barriers.
Use fresh brick dust to scrub your threshold as part of a house cleansing.
I would strongly suggest ding this to create neutral space before plugging in altars of Lucero and Zarabanda at the inside of your front door.
Lucero is a liminal diety, and the "Watcher at the Gate".
Scrubbing the htreshold is also symbolic of cleansing the doors of perception.
This can also be used as a preamble to traveling Unnawata ( Shamanic vision work with hallucinogenics).
Mix red brick dust with urine and ammonia or vinegar to make a paste called Reddening, that is similar to Blueing.
Ape, you should Redden your bones.
Itd make em sexy as fuck.

The used of Reddening goes back to West Africa when red clay ochre was used as a body paint, and red clay was used to make some types of Nkisi spirit fetishes.

Circling your house with red brick dust keeps away theives.
Laying a line of red brick dust in front of doors and windows bars negative influence.
Red brick dust can also be used in working that requires a quick result because the color red is associated with Power and Speed.
Its is also the color associated with both Lucero and Siete Rayos.
Chalk made of red brick dust can be used also to draw some types of sigils and Firma/Veve.

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>>18649181
I wanted to build on this.
Here are some of my other suggestions for animal paw fetishes.
Some of these are original to me and may differ from tradition a bit.

Rabbits paw - fertility, prosperity, receptive

Dog paw - fidelity, loyalty, defensive

Cats paw - stealth, independence, offensive

Ox tail - dedication, steadfastness, employment, receptive

Horse tail - endurance, employment, fortitude, receptive, also dispersive

Goat horn - Calling, also dispersive, fortitude, resolute, courage, determination, defensive, fearlessness

Rattlesnake rattles - Dispersive, grounding, defensive, speed, stealth

Bird feather or foot - prosperity, grounding, dispersive, defensive, steadfast, punctualty, abundance, nobility, confidence, capability

Animal teeth - defensive, offensive, power, stealth, first strike

Raccoon paw - receptive, capable, stealth, wisdom, creativity

>>18649383
All that is so vague as to be practically meaningless imo. It's like those sites that say "crow spirit represents independence, receptiveness, and darkness" Okay, I guess there was an attempt but that tells me nothing on how to effectively interact with it.

>>18649392
>that tells me nothing on how to effectively interact with it.

>independence
Approach them as a contractor and intellectual equal rather than a spirit to be bound and commanded.

>receptiveness
Be open, honest, maybe skyclad, and give detailed queries.

>darkness
Depends on if the author's intent was literal or metaphorical.

In any case, what Palo is referencing are fetish objects of power. It's a simple association. Use item X in ritual Y if the correspondence aligns.

If you need more lists of correspondence, there's always Complete Magician's Tables/777.

>>18649397
Palo's explanation is much more actionable. I dislike vague description lists. Might as well not even try if you don't know how to lead effectively. Leave it to someone else who can give good advice.

>>18649406
O...k?

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>>18649392
Its not vague.
If you want stealth, use a cats paw.
If you want employment, use an ox tail bone.
Dont be purposelfully obtuse.
Dont try my patience.
I give you a short list because I have rode this battery hard and put it away wet and it will not stay charged any longer.
What you should give in return is a thank you, and if you have a question you should ask it politely.
You are NOT ENTITLED to my time or effort.
Ill wait until you leave and lose interest for a while and give to others who are appreciative.
So shut the fuck up and learn to listen and question politely when your elders are talking to you.

>>18649241
Thank you for everything.

>>18649089
See this guy...this guy right here.
Im talking to them.
Why?
Because they asked politely, and said THANK YOU.
Because they WANT to learn.
And they are THANKFUL that they have a chance to ask questions and learn.

>>18649392
This one on the other hand, would climb a mountain to spit in a yogis face, and then expect to still be taught.

>>18649745
>This one on the other hand, would climb a mountain to spit in a yogis face, and then expect to still be taught.

Whatever, that's not's not a fair description. He tried to add to what you said but his quality was not up to snuff, imo.

Where to start for Gnosticism? After meditation where do I go?

>>18649792
Kurt Rudolph's "Gnosis: The Nature and History of Gnosticism".

>>18649871
Thank you Ape, love you.

No homo

Just procured a copy of Gordon White's Star.Ships.

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>>18649871
>Gnosis: The History of Gnosis
You should be ashamed of yourself

Everyone hates you

>>18649992
>don't recommend as many books
>anons throw a bitchfit
>recommend the best known book on a subject
>anons throw a bitchfit

>>18650003
Nah, think I'll keep posting if it triggers you this badly.

>>18649987
Groovy, thanks. Have you taken a look at it? From the shit I've heard it sounds like it could be amazing or terrible

>>18650046
Nope, and I've come to the same conclusion via reviews. The idea is that he's reconstructing the earliest roots of asterism. It's either compelling as shit or garbage, and the reviews don't tell me enough to conclude myself.

Right now I'm reading about the Munduruku because
>class

How do I summon a pepe kek?

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>>18649058
>>18649089
Im back.
Cascarilla is made from powdered egg shells.
When you crack an egg, collect the shells in a pan and wash them and make sure to remove every scrap of yolk from the inside of the shell.
Do this until your pan is filled with the shells of at least 6 eggs.
Then, bake the pan with the egg shells in your oven at 350 degrees Fahrenheit for about 10 minutes.
This makes the eggs dry and brittle enough to grind.
You can then use a coffee grinder, or any other method, to grind or pound the egg shells to powder.
You can leave the cascarilla powder as is to use in powder working or you can make the powder into chalk sticks.
To make the chalk sticks, mix 1 tbsp of flour and 1 tbsp of very hot water with 1 tbsp of your powdered baked egg shells.
Mix this into a paste and shape it into whatever shape you want for your chalk.
One method is to roll the chalk into a cylinder shape and wrap it tightly in a dry paper towel.
You need to let this sit in a dry, room temperature place for 3 days before you can unwrap and use your chalk.
Otherwise, the chalk stick will not be completely dry and it will crumble and come apart.
This is an excellent chalk for drawing Firma/Veve, and magic circles, and is the top choice in the diaspora for this.
Lots of working with powders call for cascarilla.
Its is most frequently used for protection and purification.
Cascarilla is a replacement for African white clay, which is called Efun.
It was traditionally used to make markings on the body.
In Hoodoo, there is less use of Cascarilla than in the rest of the diaspora.
But, Cascarilla use is not explicitly frowned on.
In place of Cascarilla, some just use plain store bought chalk.
But the process of making Cascarilla is part of the magick, so dont avoid trying to make it because it will be worth the effort.

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>>18650575
Devils Shoestring Root is a long root from a honeysuckle plant.
They vary in thickness and length, so theres no wrong size for a devil shoestring root.
The cut and ground roots are a medically known antispasmodic and are good for use against cramps, especially menstrual cramps.
Most work with Devils Shoestring Root calls for 9 roots of similar thickness and length.
If you order Devils Shoestring from a catalog or website, make sure to order roots in multiples of 9 so you can mix and match the varying sizes of roots.
Once you have 9 roots of about the same size and thickness, you will want to make them into a bundle.
Cut 9 lengths of white string, twine, or yarn.
Wrap each around the width of the bundle and tie them in one knot.
You will end up with 9 knots.
Get a glass bottle with a lid that you know is secure.
Put your bundle of Devils Shoestring into the bottle.
Then, fill the bottle with Whiskey.
Fill it about 2/3 of the way with the Whiskey, then top it off with your favorite cologne or perfume.
Then, put on the lid and let the bottle sit for 9 days.
After 9 days, you will have a traditional dressing oil that you can use on candles and tools.
You can use Devils Shoestring Root in Gamblers Hands.
To make a Gamblers Hand, mix Black Snake Root (Black Cohosh), Devils Shoestring Root, Cinnamon Stick, High John the Conqueror Root, and Lemon Grass oil.
Put all the sticks and roots in a small pouch and rub the pouch periodically with the Lemongrass Oil to "feed" it.
Wear the bag on a string or chain under your cloths.
This is what is called a Gamblers Hand, and is a luck drawing charm bag.
You can also use Devils Shoestring to protect against Goofer Dusting, Hot Footing, to promote invisibility from ones enemies, and in other protection and luck work.
If you are looking for work, carry a Devils Shoestring Root in your pocket to promote good luck during your interview so you will be hired.

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>>18649058
Well that's a fun introduction
>>18649344
>dubs
despite what you may read on-line, chickens do not have a natural affinity for leather and latex
>>18649181
>>18649383
>>18650575
>>18650688
Ty for these, they are interesting

>>18650788
>688
>788
The music in these threads is always novel.
https://youtu.be/K0YU9_skjBw

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Any thoughts on this one?

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I'm going to start reading "Introduction in magic"

Am I going to be Gandalf potter now?

Also, any other recomendations?

How am I going to feel the next week?

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>>18651405

It's not a light switch, you don't automatically get theme music and fireballs. Repeated spiritual/magical procedures are the equivalent of physically lifting weights until you're buff enough to crush sodapop cans with your asscheeks. Gotta get swole, bro.

Hey what should I do so that my hair stops going bald

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>>18651468
Yes, I have heard about "Willpower" and how I have to lift it

But I'm kinda scared about how many time will it consume, is it really worth it?

What can I become?

I will read whatever you say tho

>>18651232
I think you'd get more amusement and education from a white wolf book

>>18651517
stop aging?

>>18651405
which author?

>>18651949
Any recommendations from white wolf?

>This fag who keeps on insulting people who are giving free information on subjects that are normally rather difficult to get advice on

Pls stop with your triggered cancer attitude and leave the fucking thread if these people are making you upset. I personally would rather have people who know what they're talking about answer questions or discuss this shit rather than leave cause your stunted mind lacks the patience for study. You're not gonna be casting wealth spells or get any hand holding, and if you understood historical context, you'd understand why it's useless to walk someone through every little thing they want.

>>18652084
There have been numerous mystical organizations that have succeeded, they simply have more realistic goals. Studying the spiritual world, learning about humanity's place finding a life of peace and virtue, things like these have all been achieved by small, local organisations or non centralized mystic orders.

These ones you mention had absurdly grand expectations, and their leaders conceits lead them to failure, political infighting, and loss of purpose.

Of course, most won't ever be able to know if truly secretive organisations like ona are changing the world, but I doubt it.

Protip: any "occult" organisation that promises extreme power or world changing effects must be critically examined. That's why Koetting and people of his ilk should be easily recognized by critical thinkers as charlatans.

Styxhexenhammer made a decent video on people like him, it's a good watch.

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>>18649058
Egungun or Egun are the spirits of the dead and the ancestors.
They are a pretty big thing in the diaspora.
If you leave an offering to a diety, please also remember to feed the Egungun too.
Forgotten spirits are hungry spirits, and over time your ancestors will waste away to nothing.
Its like a second death.
Imagine how agonizing that would be emotionally to know you are dying all over again.
Thats really crumby.
Your ancestors are the reason you are here in the first place, and there are a lot of things you can learn from them.
The dead are not only distant relatives, but people you know and love that died during your life time too.
In Africa, spirit channeling of ancestors is a thing.
The secret society that carries out this duty is called the Egungun, and are also known as the Masqueraders.
They wear masks, elaborate costumes and headdresses, and so on.
They are frequently petitioned by outsiders to channel specific or random ancestors for advice.
A random ancestor could be anyone from your village in the recdnt or distant past.
Many times Egungun channel the spirits from notable families who are sort of like their patrons.
Sometimes you will see the names of these families embroidered and beaded on their costumes.
It is a big thing if an egungun approaches you at a festival and freely gives you some advice or talks to you about a problem you are having.
There is an unwritten rule that all egungun channelers never show their faces when in full masquerade.
After all, its not about who they are in life its about who they are channeling and allowing to speak through them.
You cant suspend your disbelief and be in the proper state of mind if you know youre talking to Steve from a few huts down the lane.
Another unwritten rule is do not touch an egungun for any reason and do not be touched by them for any reason.
Do not even let the hem of their garment touch you.
This means you are "touched by death" and spirit tainted.
Continued....

>>18651517
Stop throwing hair clippings outside.
And dont throw them in the trash either...they just end up in a landfill AKA outside.
The thought process is that birds will carry your hair off which sympathetically causes you to go bald.
Its an old old Southern superstition.
Collect your hair shed and clippings and burn them instead.
Report back if your head feels hot.
I kid, I kid...
But seriously, only cut your hair during the waxing moon and dont throw shed or clippings outside.

>>18642747
Why did you type that into the name field ?
What did you feel the need to type anything there in the first place ?
What kind of a low self esteem person needs recognition from their fellow anons as an indicator that he/she is an individual on /x/ ?
Do you suffer from an extremely low social status in real life ?
I'm not being rude only these are the only motivations behind a Trip.

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>>18651992
You'll have to excuse me, I was being sarcastic. White wolf publishes the pen and paper gaming books for vampire the masquerade. Ted Andrews how to meet and work with spirit guides might be a bit better while along a similar theme.

>>18652492
Despite what you may have read, internet projecting isn't the same thing as astral projecting, so that comment isn't really appropriate for this thread,

>>18652492
I only trip when I need someone to trust that my response is my response. In Ape's case, I appreciate the trip because I would trust a mysterious library from some anon.

>>18652492
>Why did you type that into the name field ?
So I don't have to explain my doctrine and position each time I pop into a thread.
>I'm not being rude, I'm just ascribing to you the most negative possible qualities for using an embedded site feature which has never been removed or altered, for its intended purpose, which is to keep perspectives straight in a long, topically specific, or ongoing thread
Zozzle.

How do I see my goddess' face? Like, really see her.

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trips im the chosen one

So, do I read everything in the Beginner's section? If so, where do I go after that if I'm interested in interactions with the dead?

Anything works, and I'd like to get to everything eventually. I'm expecting mostly stuff dealing with ghosts, but if you guys actually know and trust something about zombies, feel free to throw that into your recommendations and point it out. If that's in there, I don't want to go near it until I know what I'm doing.

>>18651949
>author

Julius Evola, seems like a cool guy and his last name is funny

Is it a good start?

Any recomendations or psychological help?

>>18653478
>Is it a good start?
nope

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r8 my night

>>18653829
terrible book, just drink some extra instead of wasting your time on it

>>18653829
Shitty normie night/10

>>18653922
>>18653930
Cmon man, it's written in philosophical terms so you can't just take every word as a fact as some expect from /fringe/ texts. It's a good start to get you pondering on the universal laws man.
Not everyone's master memezards like you.

>>18653829
When will this meme die?

>>18652351
This is the most ridiculous thing I've read all day. Is this how magickians live their life? According to bizarre superstitions?

>>18653922
well i'll have to read it to see for myself m8, i thought a big part of this kind of study was having an open mind

>>18653829
Absinthe is great! Needs more wormwood (thujone)!

>>18653753
What would be a good start then?

>>18653829
1/10
Pretentious "I'm low class trying to be high class" angry political Thelemite tier.

>>18654060
Anything in the actual Hermetic/Grimoire tradition.

>>18653955
>it's written in philosophical terms so you can't just take every word as a fact
But when I read "phenomenology of perception" it's philosophy about fact and I don't have to worry about what's allegory, what's ahistorical garbage, and what's legit cultural development.

>it's a good start
No. No it isn't.

>master memewizards
Doesn't take a master memewizard to understand what's historical heremtica and what's New Thought.

>>18654082
Those Kybalionfags are the worst.

>>18654082
what's a good starting point?

>>18654101
>what's a good starting point?
>>18654082
>Anything in the actual Hermetic/Grimoire tradition.

knock knock knock, if you find me worhty and qualified, I coming willing and of my free accord asking to be invite in.

>>18654122
Corpus hermeticum is okay?
I should have taken a username

>>18649987
Upload plx

>>18654098
is there something wrong with reading it at all?

>>18651075
>The music in these threads is always novel.
>https://youtu.be/K0YU9_skjBw [Open]

Nice music. The one I posted was removed, I dunno why, the theme fits in the thread and it also was a bump. Whatever.

>>18654376
There's nothing wrong with reading it. I've read it twice. But I also do not delude myself that this is about Hermeticism, because it's not. It tries to pretend, but that's about it. Once you know what real Hermeticism is about, the Kybalion is chump change, so when I see a bunch of deluded newfags posting about how awesome the Kybalion is, I have a chuckle.

>>18653829
>Not making your own absinthe

>>18654423
>Not writing your own New Thought garbage

>>18650575
>>18650688
Sorry for the late reply, thanks alot of these. Good shit. This is much more than I expected and know you can't do sucha lengthy reply for A-Z.

>>18651517
3 drops of rosemary essential oil per tsp of some carrier oil, like olive oil or coconut oil. Put on the areas where you would like to grow hair or retard hair loss. Works better than modafinil according to one study I can't cite but take about 6 months to start seeing results.

>>18654598
>implying I haven't

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>>18652058
>and if you understood historical context, you'd understand why it's useless to walk someone through every little thing they want.
why tho?

>>18648876
semantics exist because they describe complex thoughts the subtleties of meaning are important.
There is more variety in magic and magical practice then: "ceremonial or nothing".

>Without codified ritual there is no tradition
Incorrect, and I believe obviously incorrect. Without tradition, there is no tradition, but there is not necessarily a reason to "codify" a tradition. Many traditions are oral, or not rigidly structured, or even designed to change over time. There are magical traditions which follow this logic. However none of that has any bearing on whether a thing is "ceremonial" or not. the word "ceremonial" has a set meaning, and the phrase "ceremonial magic" means something else. Not all magic is "ceremonial" and not all magic is "ceremonial magic" either.

>Without following the ceremonies created by those who practiced before you, you aren't v/hoodoo
First of all, voodoo is not a magical school, it is a religious doctrine and has little to do with this conversation. Secondly, says who? Hoodoo and other folk methods have a long history of "improvisational" technique and people have been getting good results with it since before the advent of written language. There is certainly a power behind tradition, ceremony and "coidified" practices, but it is not the ONLY power behind magic. It's not even the only power behind religious beliefs which are often steeped in tradition and the codification of theological beliefs.

You can certainly make the argument that you feel ceremonial magic is the only effective magic. You can make the argument that only ceremonial magic maintains a steady history or proper tradition. We could discuss that, and it would be an interesting discussion, but on this particular talking point, I believe you are incorrect.

>>18654827
Well said sèvis, I'm picking up what you're putting down.

>>18649058
>Will you leave your husband and your bookstore and run away with me?

Aww couldn't run off from them, love em too much. Wouldn't mind cooking or getting drunk and being cry-y and bitchy with you though. That's one of my tricks too.

>I find this very shallow and banal.
Amen. I'm sick of the "10,000 spells to find love and control men" bullshit. "lest it harm none" right... right? "Except when it comes to men, in which case, fuck the rede lol." fuckin wiccans.

>And, if all I did was mop all damn day, I would probably shoot myself in the face.
I know floor washes are a major practice for a lot of hoodoos but I dont even own a mop.

>We are dealing with...
Don't forget piss or spit, those come up a lot too. I personally use that ick-factor to ward off people who aren't serious. "Sevis... how do I use magic to get my man?" "you sure you want to do that?" "Yes. Ill do anything" "Well what you do see, is you start cooking his spaghetti when you're on your period... youll also need some of his cum, hold it in your mouth for awhile if you need too" that's when they turn green and go cast some pink candle bullshit with candles from Yankee Candle.

Im not cringing at your ABC's, Ill do one of my own and we can compare notes.

>>18649125
>>18649161
Mambo T wrote a pretty good book on Haitian practice that is not shit. Also you can look up Milo Rigaud, though his stuff is getting old now. Keep in mind that "voodoo" is not a singular practice with a set body of beliefs, and many disagreements so it's hard to write a definitive work on it. Haitian belief is different from southern belief, is different from west african belief. Lumping them together is part of the confusion.

>>18649383
just adding on that Chicken feet are almost a seperate category due to the nearly mythical status of chickens in folk magic. Also rattlesnake rattles are supposed to be really good for musical talent.

>>18649711
Hey! What are you doing over here?

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>>18655121
Friend Zone is better than No Zone.

Men are strictly utilitarian.
Theyre great for hauling shit, opening shit, reaching shit, bull shit, and many other everyday necessity types of shit.
Its a shame you cant trade them in for a new one when the warranty runs out.

I do own a mop.
But, honestly, most of the time I just use an old towel, soap, water and my hand.
Clean up as you go type of thing.

Mythical status of chickens...
Black rooster has been my "power animal" (how fucking wiccan of me) since WELL before I Diaspora'd.
I got a tatoo of a black rooster on my right shoulder when I was 19.
Still rocking it.

>>18652319
So, back to the ancestors.
Its pretty easy to setup an Egungun shrine.
If you have photos of some of your ancestors, put those up.
If you have little odd and ends that belonged to them, put those around the pictures.
If your shrine is to a female ancestor you can add things like flowers or any feminine things you think they would enjoy.
If its for a man, try to pick some appropriate masculine items.
(I cant brain right now, so I cant think of anything appropriately masculine.)
You may keep things like an airplane bottle of clear bacardi rum on the altar.
If you are passing by the altar, stop and say hi to the ancestors in the photos.
Tell them thank you.
Tell them you miss them, or you wish ylu could have met them.
Tell them how important they are to your family,and how much you respect them.
Whatever, just make them feel welcome, and loved, cared for, and appreciated.
Even if its just once a week or so, leave them a little food or item treat.
Item gifts can stay indefinitely, but take food up before it can draw insects.
If you want to leave it over night, be sure to cover it with a paper towel or thin cloth to TRY to protect it from flies and other insects.
After 24 hours, take it and dump it in the East corner of your yard to dispose of it.
You can also burn incense, powders and candles for your ancestors.
Cont.

>>18655121
>Hey! What are you doing over here?
Are you implying that I only stay in /div/? Lol, I love other parts of the occult too. Not just purely divination.

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>>18655121
I specifically left out things with directly religious or spiritual connotation and tried to focus strictly to the folk magic since hoodoo is used by many faiths, I could probably do two or three of these lists it's kind of a limited thing, but this is what I came up with off top.

A is for Algiers, Africa, and Appalachia (know your roots)
B is for black, as in the following...
C is for Cats chickens and candles (black ones are best)
D is for dirt from special places
E is for Eggs, useful for cascarilla, limpia and lots of things
F is for Florida Water and Frankincense use both in liberal quantities. Fuck sage.
G is for goofer and gris-gris, both special words to describe kinds of magic
H is for Hoyt's Cologne
I is for Indian, cents, spirits, and invaluable knowledge
J is for John. High the conqueror, low, and little.
K is for ylang-ylang, a well kept secret
L is for Local (as your magic and ingredients should be)
M is for Mojo and Mojuba, portable offerings and prayers
N is for Nails (the iron kind)
O is for Osha root
P is for peppers of all varieties, also for powders and personal concerns
Q is for Queen Elizabeth Root
R is for Red Brick
S is for silver, specifically dimes.
T is for Tormentilla (a cinquefoil)
U uncrossing
V is for Van-Van
W is for whiskey
X is for the crossroads
Y is for yarrow or something
Z is for, zoo or zipper or something I dunno this premise is getting thin.

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>>18655361
I could go on and on about the Egungun.

So, instead of me taking up your time with text drivel here are some videos instead.
Now, if you can put your "low IQ Negroes" bullshit aside,and watch this with an open mind and a discerning eye, there is a metric shit ton of things to connect the dots in these videos.
Ive learned more about ATR and the Diapora from watching videos like these than Ive picked up from reafing a book or talking to people.
(Im a visual learner.)

Face it, these "simple" village people are more #woke than most of us will ever be.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb1TngCu0gc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WWhYyw0aK2Q

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J3_9jloVMp0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YWE06kBvVKA

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EZPwP9DxLqQ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4HSYXWA9WRc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t-va-XaU18o

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Hey there, /omg/! Although I can't do magic for shit and I'm a brainlet, I wish you all my best wishes, you're all amazing! Reading these threads are fun, love you all!

>>18655656
What do you mean you can't do magick? What have you tried?

>>18655679
Meditation and just small scale stuff in general, but I never seem to get anything done. It's ok though, I'm still trying, and I will until I get it down!

>>18655361
I personally love men and dislike the way so many women involved in the occult and metaphysical treat them like an afterthought or convenient idiots. That "us and them" mentality is irritating too, if it has a vagina, it's instantly your sister? Dumb.

>(how fucking wiccan of me)
nah humans have been doing that shit since before we were even modern humans, they didn't invent that shit (just like 90% of their teachings)

>>18655538
I didn't mean it like that, just good to see you.

How do you become a "chaote"

Where do they hang out online?

>>18655721
Same here friend, just about to cast my first sigil too tonight so I hope everything goes well.

>>18655739
I wish you the best of luck anon!!
Report back if you get any progress!

>>18655736
chaos magic isn't an initiatory practice, you dont "become" one and mostly it would cringe at the concept. If you are interested in, and practice chaos magick techniques, you're a chaote. Read some Peter Caroll jerk off on some stick figure drawings and set up an altar to a pop star and you're good to go.

>>18655725
No worries. It's great to see you too! How's everything?

>>18655836
getting by, been on a long break from /div/ and /omg/ recently, thought Id pop back in and see whats going on.

>>18655919
Well, glad to see you back.

Hey, maybe I can pick your brain while you're around. Do you know much about Gnosticism?

>>18655928
This would probably be the thread to ask about it.
I will say that I know just enough to have an under-informed opinion, so take anything I say about it with a grain of salt. Ape would probably be the better candidate to ask since he's all college educated and shit.

The long and short of it is: "god" as he is frequently called by us, is not the real "God" at the center of creation, but a lesser deity known as the Demiurge who created physical reality. Opinions on who and what the Demiurge, or the the actual "god" is, differ greatly.

The learning and practice of esoteric wisdom is central to the concept of 'gnosis' which aims to free one from the physical reality created by this 'demiurge' and to align to this higher god-source.

It's influenced a great deal of religion, philosophy and esoteric thought. I even subscribe to some of their concepts in a very loose sense.

It gets tied up into some early christian conspiracy theory and other tinfoilery, but Im not sure that should bear any weight in a serious conversation about it.

Unfortunately my knowledge of it is not too much deeper than that, I could say some other things, but I dont in any way consider myself educated enough on it to do the beliefs justice.

>>18653233
What is your doctrine and position ?

>>18655997
No worries. I appreciate your input and forethought.

Yes, I know and understand these concepts.

I've been reading in Ape's library - namely, "Sayings of the Desert Fathers" and Kurt Rudolph's "Gnosis". I saw earlier in the thread, another Anon asked about Gnosticism...
>>18649792
>>18649871

My only question(s) are about the dualistic and monistic nature of Gnosticism. Seems to be a few branches that occurred; and I was curious about which branch was more prevalent, followed, or I guess, in occult circles, most agreed upon belief.

>>18656043
>most agreed upon belief.
Well I actually can comment on that a little, from what I've seen I dont think their is a consensus. However, at least in my opinion there seems to be a predisposition away from dualist thought structures in most schools of esoteric thought, not just gnosticism, so I'd personally err on that side of the discussion.

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I was born on march 7th, at 7:17, weighing 7 pounds and seven ounces, in the hour of Venus (7) and the day of Venus (7).

That's seven sevens!

And 77 + (7+7)/7 + 77 = 156 which = Babalon.

Am I Babalon? Am I the incarnation of the Scarlet Woman?

I need to know this. Because I'm not an occultist, I'm actually a Muslim and this is kind of creeping me out.

>>18656067
>And 77 + (7+7)/7 + 77 = 156 which = Babalon
what the fuck lol

>>18656067
>77 + (7+7)/7 + 77
>I'm a Muslim
>Am I Babalon?

First of all, why is that particular numerological formula valid? Why is it not 49, or 14, or 21 or -7?

Also if you are a Muslim why are you concerned with the theological opinions of other religions? As far as Im aware the only Quranic reference to Babylon is the story about Harut and Marut.

Have you been giving birth to unspeakable horrors or doing that whole ushering in of destruction thing? I'm pretty sure you are not the mother of abomination.

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>>18656107
>why is that particular numerological formula valid?
Because it's the sigil of Babalon. (look at the crosses as plus signs and it makes sense).

>Have you been giving birth to unspeakable horrors
Err.... define "horror."

>>18656067
Of course you're Babalon, i mean, all those sevens right? Now what are you waiting for? Go out and Babalon. Do it. YOU ARE THE BABALON, you damn sucker.

>>18655627
These videos are awesome thx

>>18656067
>>18656075
>>18656107
>>18656127
>This is the Seal upon the Ring that is on the Fore-finger of IT: and it is the Seal upon the Tombs of them She hath slain. Here is Wisdom. Let Him that hath Understanding count the Number of Our Lady; for it is the Number of a Woman; and Her Number is An Hundred and Fifty and Six

- Aleister Crowley, Book of Lies

No. You are not the Whore of Babylon.

>>18656182
Phew, that takes a lot off my mind. Thanks /x/.

Opinions on Alan Watts?

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>>18653478
>one of the most influential fascist racists in Italian history

wew lad. kids these days. maybe go with magic in theory and practice from crowley who was at least mildly less insane. Middle pillar from regardie would also be an excellent start.

Unless you like the edge, in which case "sex secrets of the black magicians exposed" might be more up your alley.

>>18654379
it's a shame, I did dig it. Reminded me of the lost track from ubiquitous synergy seeker's indie album
https://youtu.be/DXsI1as41cY

>>18655656
Magic is an altered state of mind, just breath

>>18654827
>ceremonial magic is only gnosticism, catholicism, hermeticism, and thelma

ok but why though? There is no functional difference, and generational knowledge is at the core that you improvise around

>>18656875
>ceremonial magic is only gnosticism, catholicism, hermeticism, and thelma
At what point did I say that? I really don't mind having the discussion, but putting words in my mouth isn't really conducive.

>but why though?
Given that I didn't say that, I'm not sure how to answer it because I can't defend statements I didnt make.
I suspect the question you're asking is "why is 'ceremonial magic' called that, and why is it considered different."

I can't really answer that better than I already have in that not all magic is "ceremonial magic" and not all magic is "ceremonial". Hell not all "ceremonial magic" is always "ceremonial".

We are discussing the semantics and terminology used to describe certain underlying assumptions and techniques in magical discipline, anything which is "ceremonial magic" has certain qualities in common which is why there is a term to describe and lump them all together. Just like there is for "folk magic".

I don't need to cite the definitions for "ceremonial" or "ceremonial magic" to you, google is only ten keystrokes away. Clearly there are magical practices which do not fall under either the literal, or figurative meanings of these terms.

>There is no functional difference
Did you just make the claim that there is no functional difference between Thelema and Catholicism? Really? Even if were going super-modern chaote where "belief is a tool" and all that, and we simply look at both as systems of manifestation, there are so many fundamental practical differences in how they go about that, it's almost absurd to make that claim.

>generational knowledge is at the core that you improvise around
Generational knowledge and tradition is at the core of many magical practices, but not all magical practices, and certainly not for all magical practitioners.

>>18656182
>No. You are not the Whore of Babylon.

You're not even my real mother, I'll be whatever I want to.

>>18656607
he's a nice guy. sort of entry-level but interesting listen to nonetheless.

>>18652947
Why don't you just apply to be a janitor instead of white knighting aroud this thread telling others what is and isn't acceptable in this thread. Then you would officially be a faggot instead of just a day-laborer.

>>18653455
>dubs
Turns out you're just an elect. You shot for the moon...but landed back on earth because the moon is small and close within the firmament of earth and space doesn't exist.

>>18657323
He's a go to on mind expanding drugs as he uses words in a way that really makes you question, and this can induce euphoria and epiphanies if you're actually listening. And at some point you won't even notice that you're entering some sort of trance where you're questioning everything, which can be scary for the newbie.
Apart from that he's also quite nice to listen to in a philosophical manner when you're sober.

>>18657549
Stop sucking his cock so hard.

>>18657158
Kek, Orama. Long time, no see. How are you? Man, I am running into everyone ITT. Maybe I should post in /omg/ more often.

>>18657553
B-but I'm j-just talking from experience, meme-pai.

>>18657695
I'm good Jinxie. I've been around just not tripping, but I saw so much tripfaggotry itt that I just couldn't help but join the fagfest.
How have your tentacles been hanging up?

>>18657913
I've been well! I'll drop my name/trip for now. But I'll be lurking ITT. What new occult practices have you been working on/studying?

What are your thoughts on this? >>18656043

>>18657976
Nothing much, here I've working on the HekateStation stuff, it goes very slowly but it goes.

Do you still have a hard on for Hekate?

>>18653430 here.
Anybody?

seems like chaos is done and XXI century will be remembered as memetic magick period
I'm not even ironic

>>18656607
alcoholic failure