Astral Projection Experiment

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Fedora-man worship Science. Must test everything with an experiment, it is the way of our ferdora-people. If you do not agree we laugh at you and say you stupid. We are the fedoras. Fear us!

>>18378257
Whoa there buck-o

I'm just saying because I am very interested. I can disprove almost all the other metaphysical stuff. But Astral Projection might have something to it.
And if it even remotely does it would change the world forever.

It is a same bullshit as with other stuff on this board, it is just bunch of kinds hallucinating, mixed with really strong wishful thinking and bunch of douches trying to make money out of them by selling fancy books.

In other words - it is not real, grow up.

>>18378291
How do you know its not real?

>>18378324
If it was real, it would be testable.

>>18378324
Imagine that magic, astral projection and shit like that are here from ancient Egypt, some 4 thousand years ago. Don't you think that over all this time, we would have a solid proof, if there was a speck of truth in it?

>>18378248
Try the,monroe institute,or Tom cambell ( my big toe.com )

>>18378291

>scientists think they're geniuses because muh scientific method
>automatically discredit and disbelieve claims of paranormal things as stupid
>never run experiments and/or tests because already presumed stupid before attempting repeated trials with muh scientific method
>"There's no proof or evidence!"

Robert Monroe made a great book on his experiments with Astral Projection that's both a guide and sort of a science-focused diary. Journeys Out of the Body, can find it free online easy.

Look at the declassified cia docs

>>18381079

Nah mate, it's just that all those experiments were done a long time ago. Some produced repeatable results, until the con was uncovered. People don't want to spend money funding experiments to keep proving that nearly all the stuff people talk about on this board is nonsense.

>>18378248
The only way to prove if something is real or not is to try it for yourself and make up your own opinion about it.
If you manage to do it and then prove it scientificly - noone will care. There will almost always be a way to "debunk" it, and even if there isnt, it will still not be enough to persuade the sceptics.

People see what they want to see and they believe what they want to believe because that is how people work, just leave them be and if you feel like pursuing something supernatural do it for your own sake.

Do you believe what you see?
or, do you see what you believe?
maybe it is the same thing?

If the whole world is just placebo/confirmation bias, how would you prove to someone that something exist if he refuse to be open about the idea that it could exist?

It is alot harder to let go of a belief than it is to accept a new one. If you for just a moment manage to really doubt everything you "know", that is the moment when your mind will be open to new things.

>>18378257
You're kidding right? Empiricism is a legitimate philosophy. Experimentation works and is awesome get getting the masses to believe in something. I just don't know what's going on in your head if you don't agree with this.

>>18378248
Not many studies around because astral projection can easily be disproven by math and physics theoretically. The only way to prove it anyway, assuming the astral body cannot be detected with our instruments, would be to pinpoint things and situations happening miles away without previous knowledge. I guess you could search for remote viewing used in criminal investigations and see if there's something worth investigating.

>>18378291
well I'm safe on the "giving them any money" department

>>18378257
Fez-man worship hocus-pocus. Must be smug at people who try to understand the world in coherent terms, it is the way of our fez-people. If you do not agree, we smirk and say that "you don't understand the ultimate truth" (which, by the way, is super-duper more legitimate than every other occult tradition, philosophy or theory's ultimate truth) and say you will be taught error of your ways in nonspecific "reckoning". We are the fezes. Fear us!

>>18381767

>The only way to prove if something is real or not is to try it for yourself and make up your own opinion about it.
You're an idiot.

>If you manage to do it and then prove it scientificly - noone will care. There will almost always be a way to "debunk" it, and even if there isnt, it will still not be enough to persuade the sceptics.
If something is demonstrably true, it cannot be debunked. That's the whole point of the exercise.

>People see what they want to see and they believe what they want to believe because that is how people work, just leave them be and if you feel like pursuing something supernatural do it for your own sake.
Jesus, you really believe that, don't you? You can't grasp that people have developed rigorous enough methods of inquiry to make reliable models of reality that lead to further discoveries. Forget this whole science business, everyone's just as blind and deluded as you are, so whatever you decide to believe is equally valid. If you're going to waste your own intellect like that, at least keep it to yourself and refrain from encouraging others.

>>18378248

There's been a shit ton of studies bro

All the financial, political, and media elites around the world happen to believe in the paranormal despite their 'public position', so I think we can safely say that many people have been suckered into ignoring the metaphysical. As for astral projection, yes it can work.

Just try it yourself and come to your own conclusion.

Look up the AWARE study.

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>>18378257
this is what truest autism looks like

>>18381701
Okay show me the proof these experiments were conducted as you say they were.

Who conducted them, and who funded them?

Where did they publish their results? Who peer-reviewed them? Were any follow up experiments done by other parties, what did they reveal?

If you say they were done, and were all part of a con, then there should be evidence of that, eagerly awaiting your answer.

>>18381767
>lel who cares about science!
>everything he owns and uses is from science

>>18378248
>Have their been any conclusive studies on astral projection?

dont think so, "why?", because normally people cant control when they can do it, it is kind of just random, and anyone that suggests it in the scientific community will probably be chastised by his peers for suggesting a study. i have had astral projection a handful of time and i have no idea why.

>>18388873
>and anyone that suggests it in the scientific community will probably be chastised by his peers for suggesting a study
Wrong. People would be chastised for suggesting that it's real without it being backed by evidence.
Scientists love testing shit that people believe but has no evidence for. Their names would go in history books.
Weird how people on /x/ think scientists are unbelieving hateful hardcore materialists.

Do you people not realize just how much fame is in proving something supernatural is real?

>>18388893
>Do you people not realize just how much fame is in proving something supernatural is real?

i understand there would be a lot of fame but all the scientists i have come across normally just say shit like atral projection is fake with out conducting a study or looking into it, or citing sources.

What's the difference between Astral Projection and consciously lucid dreaming? Both are found in meditation right?

>>18388893
I've met a bunch of scientists. They have indeed all been unbelieving hateful hardcore materialists.

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There u go

Dunno if this is something that can be answered, but if I were to astral project myself, would my astral form be a literal image of what I look like, or would it be like an image of how I perceive myself? Like, if my physical form is left behind, would it still have an impact on me astrally?

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>>18388893
>supernatural
>Muh data

Takes less then 3 days to learn and have an astral projection if your willing enough. Of course people think I'm crazy or some attention whore if Lucid dreams and Astral Projection is brought up and I tell them stories about them though.

>>18388960
>Of course people think I'm crazy or some attention whore if Lucid dreams and Astral Projection is brought up and I tell them stories about them though.

same. this is why i normally keep it to myself. even friends i have known for years dont take me serious when i bring it up but they believe about almost anything else.

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>>18378248

You seem to be under the ages old impression that astral projection = out of body experience. Out of body experience is a misnomer which leads to people making incorrect assumptions. The astral plane is not necessarily an exact replica of the physical world we interact with on a daily basis.

>>18378248
it should be noted that most of the time, when people think they are astral projecting they are actually lucid dreaming in a dreamscape that is very similar to the real world.

whether astral projection is a real thing or not, if you think you are doing it, you probably are not.
lucid dreaming is also useful for purposes of entertainment, introspection, and magic.
however, the nature of the valuable things learned is different.

i would recommend that every time you think you are astral projecting, you should perform a test so that when you wake up you can find out if it was real.
that way you can react appropriately.

>>18388824

Holy shit, sounds like you should find some of these reports and do the work yourself. You're expecting a lot from some random anon

>>18389017
I'm not sure about everyone else, but this happens to me a lot. I do believe in astral projection, however whenever I try I end up lucid dreaming that I am aping I know this because I can never leave the room I am in at the time. It had objects blocking the exits or the doors aren't there at all. I hate it.

All I want is to successfully ap.

>>18381079

There's nothing paranormal about astral projection though. Scientists know full well about the dichotomy of perception and that the only reason your mind is anchored where it is is solely due to an inhered point of perception.

The questionable bit is whether or not it's possible to un-anchor.

>>18388960
Its amazing that people still react with disbelief or like youre crazy whwn you mention or bring up lucid dreaming because it unlike astral projection and OBEs has been verified by scientific experiment to be a fact, all the tests LaBerge did, etc, and yet its still not mainstream despite being doable, and theres tons of techniques and everything and its actually verifed by science unlike the other two.

Though there is the theory that astral projection and OBE's are lucid dreams with a specific theme to them and less control and stuff than normal lucid dreams due to intent and mindset, because the techniques for lucid dreaming are sometimes similar to ones for AP or OBE and only differ in intent.

Dont know if its true or not, I've only had lucid dreams so far, and no succesful WILDs either.

>>18388893
Hilarious, clearly you don't know what youre talking about.

Bring up among your peers that you want to study the veracity and techniques of Astral Projection and they will laugh at you, no government or corporate funder will take you seriously, you will be relegated to the field of fringe science and good luck getting the grants, resources and everything together to even start running an experiment, and how are you going to find test subjects, how do you know which techniques to start practicing with?

Are you going to put out an ad saying you are conducting a research study on astral projection? How many do you think will respond to that ad seriously, and how many will respond jokingly, and claim they can do it but just waste your time, and you can go on a forum like dreamviews or astralpulse seeking subjects but what do you do when they live nowhere near you and you dont have any money to cover their travel expenses and have no idea how to properly even run an experimental study on such subjective things. And most will probably not want to expose and draw attention to themselves, for the knowing they have done it and it was real was enough and a research study is not worth it.

So it really is not as easy as you claim, and without reputable and popular scientists to help legitimize your effort - like Sagan and LaBerge who both showed a cautious skepticism to AP/OBE, instead of outright dismisal and ridicule, you will get nowhere. The culture and ego of science and scientists today is not favorable towards fringe science, and the way that research grants and corporate science funding work means that unless its for practical and reputable research and experiment, they will not support you, and proper science is expensive.

We're lucky enough LaBerge was able to succeed with it all for lucid dreaming research, and give us scientific proof of its validity at least. But similar studies and research for AP/OBE is far off, maybe even unlikely.

>>18389052
I'm expecting proofs to his claims that these tests were done, and a con was discovered and the tests were concluded.

Where is proofs

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>>18389627

>expecting proof
>4chan
>x

>>18388824


From "Is Parapsychology a Science?" by Kendrik Frazier:

"If parapsychologists can convince the skeptics, then they will have satisfied an essential criterion of a genuine science: the ability to replicate hypotheses in any and all laboratories and under standard experimental conditions. Until they can do that, their claims will continue to be held suspect by a large body of scientists."


From "Parapsychological Research: A Tutorial Review and Critical Appraisal", by R. Hyman:

" Both proponents and critics throughout the 130 years of the controversy over psychical research, have deviated greatly from those standards of fair-play and rationality that we would like to believe characterizes the best scientific arguments."


From "Give the Null Hypothesis a Chance: Reasons to Remain Doubtful about the Existence of Psi", by James Alcock:

"Lack of replication is rampant. While one would normally expect that continuing scientific scrutiny of a phenomenon should lead to stronger effect sizes as one learns more about the subject matter and refines the methodology, this is apparently not the case with this research."


These are broad snapshots of the field of parapsychology and why it's taken less seriously as time goes on. The science is junk. Like hell I'm going to go through every bullshit study to prove that point here though.

>>18390330

I grabbed the wrong quote for the second one, but it probably wasn't a very good example anyway. I'm not about to spend any more time than necessary in making my point.

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Astral projection has been studied by medical science. It is a trance state that can be intentionally self-induced. It's effect --the hallucination of being outside the physical body--is caused by seizure-like neuroelectrochemistry in the temporoparietal lobes of the brain. A dissociative condition occurs along with a sleep paralysis or lucid dream state that can be very pleasant or not. There doesn't seem to be any risks except perhaps freaking yourself out if you happen to have a bad trip. Although normal people can apparently train themselves to AP, it is also a common symptom of epilepsy and schizophrenia --precisely because it involves abnormal electrochemistry in the brain.

>>18390367
>out of body state

Thats for OBE's maybe but not astral projection which is not an OBE but a state very similar to lucid dreams only you have no control over the setting and the AP itself, and is said to contain other entities who are self aware and act of their own volition - others say that depends on your own expectations of what you will encounter when you AP.

Furthermore from what I read about AP its not literally leaving your body as much as changing (phasing) the focus level of consciousness, through the various techniques, from focus 1 which is physical reality, to focus 2 and 3 and so on which are OBE's and AP's, this is implying that consciousness is seperate from the mind and through directed meditative and trance states you can "phase" from one focus level to the next, i.e. your body doesnt go anywhere, your consciousness does, ergo proving consciousness is seperate from body/brain.

Anyways regarding OBE anyone can prove to themselves its real and not just a hallucination of the brain by following the various OBE techniques until you succeed one day, and then immediately go look around outside for a view you did not see yesterday or that day, like say the license plate number of a car outside the view of your window and daily walk, and then leave the OBE, do your best to recall the license plate write it down and go outside to confirm if the car is there, and if so if the license plate is correct.

If it is correct 100% thats real information that was learned not from real life observation but an OBE state, and could not be acquired otherwise, not even from subconscious memory if you never looked at that car before, it was just a random car facing forward on the street not to the rear.

Another experiment is to buy a cheap book or go take a book from your bookshelf that you never read before (I know I have a few), without looking at the book - open the book to a random page, and leave it open while placing it on a shelf above eye level.

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>>18390735
Also I want to stress that I don't 100% believe in anything I wrote there, its just what I have read and researched, and I have done more of that than actually doing any of these AP and OBE techniques myself because I'm a fucking loser who got caught up in distraction, porn, vidya and hardcore procrastination for years and laziness so don't take anything I said with no more than a grain of salt.

Until I try these things out for myself in serious experimental study I can just repeat what I read and or write down the ways I imagine you can prove OBE's to yourself like that, which I spent far more time thinking about than actually doing, sadly.

Also I'm not 100% sure consciousness is seperate from the brain but if OBE and AP are true and real states than its good evidence for it.

Input from someone who isn't a lazy fuck like me and has actually followed techniques and had successful OBE or AP's is greatly appreciated.

>>>/co sends their regards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFaT-kMSkxM

>>18390785

>>/co

>>>/co/

>>/co/

bump again

last bump

>>18388993
Underrated post.

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>>18388993
This

From what I have read and been able to understand there are separate planes of existence or something and with astral projection you phase to higher planes temporarily.

When you dream and lucid dream they are also not the base physical reality plane like now but apparently higher than that, but not as high as astral projection itself.

And OBE is like one step above this plane, so you can see it but cant interact can just observe as a point of consciousness separate from the body.

AP is on another plane entirely and doesn't resemble our world.

...This sound like an anime

>>18378332

You could say the same about "dark matter" or "dark energy", which are totally accepted by science with no actual proof..

>>18397234
There's at least one person suggesting a new theory of gravity that works without dark matter/energy

https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.02269

bump for AP/OBE talk not science discussion

Haven't read thread, but look into the Stargate Project and Ingo Swann.

This is the only legitimate evidence that astral projection works given serious training. The government used it and found legitimate intelligence, like the location of a couple of russian bases. Nothing else significant came of it, and they shut the program down because it was less efficient than satellites.

But they acknowledge in now-public documents that SOMETHING was going on, and Ingo Swann and his homies somehow did garner information they couldn't have otherwise(at shaky rates of success).

The government docs about it are pretty honest and genuine in that they pretty much say "there's something here that works beyond statistical possibility, but it's not reliable enough for military use"


Plus for every person they could train to do it apparently they couldn't get it to work for way more, so it was just a pain in the ass.

>>18397875
that was remote viewing not astral projection

>>18397234

Dark matter and dark energy are placeholder terms to explain elements within our theoretical models that cannot account for the total observable mass and accelerating expansion. They are measurable quantities in the sense that they are a measurement of the gaps in our knowledge. And they still aren't universally accepted; some scientists may contest the current models rather than advocating for unknown forces and species of matter.