/CRT/ Thread - Mission Control

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cheetos

>>4072351
your whites are reddish as fuck, kya

>>>4072306
thanks for the reply, I'd probably still use it to switch video even though it'd be highly inconvenient. That's just the kind of person I am. It would be pretty neat because I could hook up stuff like my n64 and vcr to the receiver. Then whenever I get around to buying some speakers I'll be totally set.

These are the two I'm looking at, again for very cheap.

https://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-NR609&class=Receiver

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-OFrInNL5Vca/p_130VSX921/Pioneer-VSX-921-K.html

The onkyo is pretty cool because it has a pc in

>>4072394
hell yeah, those are nice receivers man. Go for it, and play some OG Xbox in surround sound

>>4072398
Hmm I've read around that the onkyos have some issue with the baled that makes it need regular servicing. Maybe the one I'm looking at is a dud. I might go for the pioneer in that case

>>4072467
If they're the same price I would go with the Pioneer, but I'm a pioneer fan.

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Currently looking at a PVM-2054QM I might bid on. Is it a good model? It has all the hookups for RGB/Component. How much would you pay?

What are your thoughts, anon?

>>4072481
600 tv line model. it really depends on your local options.

if local is possible $150 if you are forced with ebay $200-250 (shipping is included in this estimate)

$150 for a 20 inch is possible shipped off of ebay but it's hard with so many people listing at $500-800 for no real reason.

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>>4072390
That's almost 2 years old, and 5K photos ago; I was still figuring out how to use the camera and leaving white balance up to it.

Different system (Saturn versus PS1) and earlier save, but this is fresh; Processed from RAW to give an accurate take on what it looks like color wise.

>>4072481
Early to Mid 90s set, but 600TVL and with an OSD. Would make a rather nice monitor.

If I didn't have a 20'' PVM and wanted to get one, $150 these days probably would be good, ignoring shipping, but I could see it going for more.
I would assume you're shipping it, so add another $50-70 on top of that; I would -demand- photos of how it's packed if you do have it shipped to avoid getting a box full of broken glass.

>>4072349

Hmm good question. If there's a way, it'll leads to a successful crowdfunding campaign.

>>4072497
>>4072481
Are those price estimates for buying in the US? I'm in mainland Europe.
I'd be picking it up personally.

>>4072509
Yes, USD. I can't comment on Euro pricing, though the 20 and QM should have been a tip off.

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This man is the reason its hard to find decent CRT's in australia.

He gave everyone $900 in 2009 and they all threw out their old tv and got LCD's

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>>4072512
Oh well. Guess I won't be able to afford it if the price escalates. Gotta watch my finances until I'm finished studying.

Later this week I'll be picking up a Bang & Olufsen MX 4000 (most recent chassis), which according to the shmup forums is pretty decent for a consumer TV (also features nice design). It comes with the fancy remote with the LCD display which usually sells for about 50€ on its own. I payed 15€, heh.

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some fucker is try to sell a jvc svideo only 20" for 200€ and a 15" for 220 because it has the IF-C01COMG.
I can't wait to recieve my parts to make a clone, since the internals of the card are actually dead simple.

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>>4072559
funny thing is about 90% of components are useless, if you follow traces all the card does is some input protection and buffering.

>>4072567
If that connector is something standard or that has an off the shelf equivalent, it'd be neat for someone to actually make and sell copy input boards.

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>>4072351
Got a 20M2MDU hooked up to PC

anyone know how to get the vertical image higher up without needing to use underscan?


Give me a fun ass game to play that highly benifits with RGB

How doyou guys clean your crt screens? Will just a slightly damp cloth with water work? I have one of those specific tv screen cleaners with mocrofiber cloth, thats good too?

>>4072573
the connector is a 50 pin variation of din 41612, not common but not impossible to source.
However you might just get away using a bog standard IDC DC3 angled header.

Been looking at some cheap PVMs on eBay and came across three that looked nice: a Samsung SAM-14M, an SAM-14MV, and a JVC TM-H1900G. Do you guys know anything about any of these models? The JVC is bigger, but I'd go with one of the Samsung TVs if it has a better picture. I'll do some research myself once I get off work and share it with you guys

>>4072573
well, because the PCB is so big, it will still cost a ton if done via oshpark like services.
However I have some ideas about cloning the card.

>>4072390
>thinking pvmeme faggots know how to calibrate a display
They spend 200 dollars on a meme because an eceleb told them to. What do you expect?

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So, I got component cables for my Wii to use on a Sony Flat CRT, what do you think?

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Is there any particular reason this guy is selling this for so much?

Are broadcast monitors really that fucking expensive?

https://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/pho/6164076425.html

>>4072713
it's a 1,000 line display. those always fetch crazy amounts though that guy is through the roof on it.

>>4072713
It's a widescreen, multiformat, flatscreen, with the flight case, manual, remote, and BNC connectors. It also looks like it's in good condition. That isn't something you see often at all, and it's probably worth that price.

>>4072713
it's still usable today for 1080i or 1080p24 mastering.
It's probably a steal for some pros.

>>4072713
It also includes a very nice transportation crate, which is $150-200.

>>4072701
>not getting in before the meme
I did drop the last $90 I had on my first PVM, but that's because I'm an idiot.

Not to say any of my displays are professionally calibrated, but for something like the Megaview, doing so wouldn't make any sense without going all in on a recap which I still need to look into.

>>4072763
I'd wager a bit more for something the size of a D24.

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Aperture grill or Shadow mask?

>>4072585
Only options I know are to change the geometry values for your resolution of choice in Arcade OSD. Other than that on a per application basis some emulators might have the feature to offset the image, I know groovy mame has sliders for it and I use Epsxe's offset settings to get different games fitting my tv correctly. I haven't tried this at all but I've heard of people getting certain versions of Catalyst Control Center working along with their CRT Emudriver card and that might let you customize your offsets a little more.

>>4072796
You want to add me on steam and kind of help me through that?

all the help would be greatly appreciated man

>>4072778
shadow mask every day of the week.

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>>4072778
shadow>slot>aperture. Wrong image btw, that only compares shadow mask to slot mask.

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>>4072808
If you look me up by what I namefag with here on Steam you will find me but here is a quick write up for moving your image up vertically with Arcade OSD. You want to open up Arcade OSD and the first thing you want to do is use the number 2 key to move the on screen display to your CRT and press enter on "Attach OSD to current monitor". Once your CRT is for sure attached to Arcade OSD open up the video modes list and find the correct resolution for the system you want, lets say we want to play an NES game we'll go ahead and press enter on 256x224p from the mode list and Arcade OSD should take over your whole screen like pic related. Then you'll want to hit enter on Vertical geometry and it will bring up the menu where you can change the front and back porch values to tweak the geometry. For your request if you want to raise your image vertically you will want to experiment with making the V front porch value higher as well as making the V back porch value lower, also you can change either value without necessarily having to raise or lower the other like if I were to make my front porch and my back porch 12 ln in this picture but if the two values add up to too few or too many lines you'll start recieving a broken picture and have to undo your last change so it's generally good to raise when value as you lower the other and vice versa. Add me on Steam if you'd like to ask any other questions, I only completed my setup a couple months ago so I'm still learning as well.

>>4072471
They round out to about the same price. But I think I will end up going with the pioneer. It'll cost me about 70 bucks so not as cheap as I was hoping. What do you think should I go for it? Will it clean up the audio from my sound bar at least until I get some proper speakers. Also it says it upscales video. I'm wondering if it will induce any lag

>>4072906
Now that I'm thinking about it I'm not even sure how I would be hooking up everything between the extron and the receiver.

>>4072867
you probably never saw a real slot mask.

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>>4072771
>recapping a megaview
just how many millions caps in there....
I just peeked through the vents and I shiver at the thought

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>tfw got a PVM-14N5U for $60 when he had it marked for $150

Guy was just an hour from where I live. Thank god I don't have to deal with shipping costs for this.

By the way, it has a small mono speaker on it that I prefer to not use. Is it possible to just hook up a pair of pc speakers I've got laying around to the audio out?

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>>4072934
Educate me on how all the slot masks I've seen are actually fake, including the one I use for my Xbox and PS2. Maybe in exchange I'll teach you what opinions are!

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>>4072981
>Is it possible to just hook up a pair of pc speakers I've got laying around to the audio ou
if you just want mono audio, sure? I'd just get a setup so you can plug in your consoles audio out into a switcher or something. If you wanna go cheap go RCA to 2.5mm female to PC speaker.

Who made the best CRTs and why was it Ikegami?

>>4072998
is this a nec monitor ?

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>>4072981
Bypass the PVM entirely for audio. Get an adapter to go from 2RCA to the presumably 3.5mm cable the PC speakers have.

>>4072969
And that, as well as the fact that I'll need to disassemble it to even get a list of caps needed(never been able to find a service manual for the XC-3730c) is why I've had it for 3 years now and it's still not done.

This is just a small PCB on the back; There are much larger ones mounted beside the tube that have fewer but larger ones. And all the little bodge wires/components added after the fact on the opposite side of said boards.

>>4073008
No, it's a Toshiba TV set.

>>4073015
Then it's not a slot mask.
Slot mask is only found on NEC computer monitors.

Having tall phosphor triads doesn't mean it's a slot mask, it's still a shadow mask.

Go ahead, search for infos. You'll see.

>>4072892
thanks for the advice ill try that out tomorrow

weird though, I have a 20M2MDU and the only res that shows is 640 x 480 i dont know why

added on steam

>>4073021
Alright, I'll concede that you are in fact right on this. I can't imagine the difference between a cromaclear and a tall triad shadow mask being too much though. If I ever see a NEC monitor in my area I'll have to pick one up to see though. In the past I probably have used a NEC monitor and not even noticed though.

>>4073050
it's gotta be specific NECs too. Only a few late models used cromaclear slot mask.

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>>4073021
NEC using slotmasks in PC Monitors for their Cromaclear line doesn't invalidate all the tubes before and after that just so happened to use a slot mask design.

>>4072892
join the discord

>>4072351
Are those SpongeBob CRT TV's any good?

>>4073253
Broadcast quality m8

>>4073253
They're okay, but the Batman ones are waaay better.

I want a wide screen crt, but I'm having hard time to get anyone to help me with the carrying. Fuck those cunts. It's not like I've helped them with moving and looking after their kids or anything.....

>>4072632
Would you have some ideas for BVM input cards?

Someone is selling a Sony PVM-3230 in my area for $250. Is that too much?

How much should I ask if I just want another CRT? I see most people asking for $20-40 on kijiji. Unless this isn't the right thread to ask, sorry.

>>4073735
no, it's not too much if it's in good condition. Take something to test it, and at least two friends because it weighs 84kg.

>>4073743
Thanks, on my way right now. Gonna wake up some friends early just for this

I used to mess around with broadcast monitors and shit now I just emulate on a PC CRT with scan lines turned on because I'm bluddy lazy and the result is basically the same. I pretty much recommend this route to anyone who doesn't already have a large game collection or isn't rich. You can get the cool kid stuff later but you shouldn't feel bad or anything you can have the meme right now for cheap or free.

>>4073748
Why not just run the thing on 240p at 120Hz?
That way you won't even need a scanline filter

>>4073753
Because it's VGA it can't go lower than 640x480. Turning scan lines on just removes every second line so the result is the same. No multiscan required.

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>>4073753
This desu, unless you're using a LCD in which case I will show you the way out.

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>>4073762
>VGA it can't go lower than 640x480
Nigga any PC CRT monitor can do 240p if you use 120Hz

>>4073765
This is correct, but it doesn't go into detail as to why this is. A VGA CRT can only go down to a hsync of 31Khz, we all know this, and 240p is 15Khz, duh. So you double the refresh rate to 120hz and this brings it up to 31Khz and bobs your fuckin uncle.

This isn't a new trick by any means, but apparently it's not common knowledge. Here's a guide from /r/crtgaming that's helpful if you want to know more.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RetroArch/comments/675ugt/guide_how_to_run_retroarch_in_240p_on_your_vga/

>>4073770
All those steps for no actual benefit whereas removing the lines in software allows you to playgaem and close it with minimal fucking around

>>4073774
I don't have to fuck around with shit all. I hit alt+enter and my emulator full screens into the correct resolution because Windows has it available. But hey, you do you.

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>>4073770
You can use Black Frame Insertion or change the vsync swap buffer timing if you get autistic about double frames in motion, but I'd rather have the full contrast and avoid retroarch cancer

>>4073776
Maybe I'm just not autistic but I don't notice any double frame issue. Do you have an example of this?

>>4073770
to be honest I'd rather use 1280x960 because that resolution stretches both 320px and 256px wide output correctly at the same time.

>>4073786
But do you get dem thicc scanlines?

>>4073786
You can do 3480x240

>>4073794
3840*

>>4073168
Didn't know there was one thanks I'll check that out

>every CRT I see for sale is either;
>flat screen
>widescreen
>literally who brand
>composite only
>screen size for ants
Has the golden age of crt hunting already finished? I'm in Australia btw

>>4073869
Some guy has his pre-90s looking multiscan Trinitron listed for 500 dollars lol

>>4073869
flatscreen isn't so bad, but it sounds like your being too picky desu

>>4073881
i was told flat screen = geometry issues?

>>4073883
It can, but it really depends. The issue arises from the fact that only the outside portion of the glass is flat and the inside is still curved, thus leading to some weird geometry. My VGA CRT is a flatscreen and I don't notice any geometry issues whatsoever after adjusting the settings so I'm sure if you fiddle around in the service menu you can get it right. But don't trust me, look at all the pics people have posted of flatscreen trinnies running /vr/ consoles and judge for yourself.

>>4073883
They're pretty minor issues, tbqhfamicom. Flat-screen Sonys are generally relatively 'new', have fewer hours, support component and/or s-vid, maybe even better in AUS, if you guys use SCART. They look nice, come in tiny to huge sizes, and are easier to find. They're really solid sets most of the time. Not to say every single one is great, but the geometry issues are seriously overblown around here; >>4073885 is definitely right about scoping one out for yourself.

>>4073885
flat VGAs are less affected by geometry issues.
Horizontal linearity is a real problem for most flat TVs

>>4073909
A lot of these cheap flatscreens are just normal ones with a lens in front of them

>>4073909
A lot of flat VGA's are actually flatscreens with flat inner glass and you can tell when they aren't because they have the same linearity issue, like my 955DF.

>>4073735
>>4073737
>>4073746
Shit.

Looks like my 2950QM has some hefty competition. We never got any of the bigger PVMs here in yurop to my knowledge.

>>4073253
No joke, I used my sister's Bratz TV for retro gaming when she got rid of it and it's hands down better than any PVM I've ever seen. Consumer sets win every time.

>>4073735
I was just looking at that last night, cause my dream is something bigger than my 20inch BVM. However, sub 600 TVL on a 32 inch screen? No thanks, I'll sit around and wait for something better.

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>>4074087

>>4074107
For real I wouldn't be surprised if my 36inch consumer had more tvl's than the 3230.

>>4074114
It's a 650tvl tube so you may or may not be correct.

That said I personally like the look of a big SD CRT with ~500 lines. Both my 2950 and 27" Profeel are around this figure and they display fantastically. Before you tell me to try a BVM I'll disclose that I also own four 20F1Es so have plenty of experience in that regard.

>>4074196
Broadcast store has it listed at 560 lines. And I'd never tell someone to go try a monitor, it's a cheap line to try and win a conversation.

But I'll say it again, I don't think I'm missing out on too much by not picking the 3230 up. It really doesn't offer anything to my setup.

Quick question by someone uninitiated:
When displaying a 480p/480i signal (assuming 640x480 resolution) on a 600TVL screen, does that mean that the picture will be slightly squashed horizontally (with loss of quality), or that ~20px will be missing on either side?

Or does it not matter altogether because this are is in overscan anyway?

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>>4074232
Broadcaststore is a pretty good resource but they don't always get things right, especially regarding old and obscure equipment.

Also I don't know you from Adam, anon, and the standard response here seems to be "you are in no position to argue about X because (I somehow know) you never tried Y". Apologies for tarring you with that particular brush.

>>4074240
I'd recommend you do some basic research into the mechanics behind TV Lines as a measurement of resolution.

You appear to be somewhat confused.

>>4074249
>You appear to be somewhat confused
Yes, which is why I asked here. It is by matter of fact the basic research which had me confused in the first place, so I hoped somebody with a thorough understanding could give me a short answer.

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Is there any device that can let me adjust the screen size on an sd tv? Games either crop or come too small. Is there something like a DVD player or a.v. device that lets me adjust the screen? I try to look everywhere but most information is about hdtv. I use component

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>>4074274
TVL is the horizontal resolution of the tube/gun/etc. CRTs are not fixed resolution like flat panels, so it isn't hard mapped to a specific part of the screen.

~540TVL or so is all that's needed to resolve your normal NTSC broadcast signal (720x480), so 600TVL would have no issue with 640x480.

The higher horizontal resolution you attempt to display on a lower TVL monitor, the less detail you'll be able to resolve absolutely, and explicitly. Where trying to display 1000px(or more) of information across a tube rated for 700TVL would work, you're not going to be able to resolve individual detail across the screen as well as you would when using a tube with higher TVL. No information is actually being lost so much as it's being blended together.

>>4074370
Overscan is the part of the picture that isn't visible due to being drawn outside the visible boundries of the screen. If your TV has a service menu, and you adjust it so that your PSP games fit the screen horizontally better, you're going to end up with games that would normally fill the screen properly losing massive parts to over scan.

Additionally, because the way the PSP's TVout works, you're very unlikely to be able to actually completely fill the screen even with service menu adjustments.

I'm sure there are video processors out there that will do what you want, but they're not exactly going to be cheap. You'd be better just dealing with the smaller image. That's just how the PSP is, windowboxed.

>>4073776
>but I'd rather have the full contrast and avoid smooth vsync

cool

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>>4074445
Thank you, that was exactly what I needed to know. Also I just now realize that TVL counts only the black lines (disregarding the white in between), which means the white lines, too, should be regarded as part of the individually discernible output, duh. This obviously gives a higher resolution then 640. It just had me confused because 600 < 640 and the false assumption that BIGGER NUMBER MEANS BETTER RIGHT?

>>4074489
Yes it is expressed in line pairs much like the Ronchi Rulings present in the USAF 1951 test image used widely in the evaluation of photographic and other optical equipment.

Fun fact: In a previous life I was Studio Test Technician with (pre-Amazon) dpreview.com.

are crts going to be incredibly expensive in the future? I ask because I'm thinking of getting a backup in case the one I have dies.

>>4074585
No, just extremely rare

>>4072351
Would a Sony trinitron kv-1370r work well for nes, snes, and psx games?

>>4073762
Mine lost a shitload of brightness compared to actually running it at 240p, like turn the room lights out to be able to see it well. Then again when I'm sitting at my desk I'm close enough where my eyes have trouble focusing on the complete image and not the scanlines themselves anyway.

>>4074585
Your CRT and every one you have ever seen in your life will die before you.

>>4074786
Nobody really dies, they all live on in memory.

>>4074445
Kya I know you're a hardcore fanboy and been posting for a while but how the fuck do you think that looks good?

Is there any good advice for a VGA > Scart cable?

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>>4075041
At least it doesn't have the stuck pixel that my LCD has.

I was playing on it as a test. In person it looks decent, but it's hot trash for photos or close up.
It just so happened to fit as an example of "high resolution on low TVL", since you've got the 700-800ish maybe Megaview and a 1080p signal.

Would you rather I posted this shot instead?

>>4075195
Thanks for the eye cancer.

High resolution in general just isn't CRT's strong points.

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So I just snagged this CRT off someones lawn.

Through RF right now. Seems like theres no way to go change inputs without a remote. Any suggestions for a universal remote replacement?

>tfw was gaming on a 13 or 8" CRT.
>This fucking behemoth is 27"

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What does CRT think of muh scan lines? also guess the display.

>>4075206
you mean isn't TV's strong point

>>4075227
In general.

>>4075207
Nice score, the toshiba AF line was a very good series of sets. I have a 14AF44, Has composite, s-vid and component, component looks awesome on it.

>>4075206
>>4075234
>High resolution in general just isn't CRT's strong points
CRTs with shadow masks/aperture grilles, aka colour ones, sure.

However in the past I've worked on 8k tricolour film recorders for high end imaging applications which would make you eat your words. Specialised monochrome tubes can handle that sort of resolution with ease, even tiddly 5" ones.

>>4075248
It looks like its in great condition. I just ordered a replacement remote for it, so it should be great once I can get composite, s-video and component.

>>4075224
I prefer petite scanlines. Fat scanline hurt my eyes.

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>>4075278
I was an early adapter to LCDs. I've never personally owned a 1600x1200 CRT (if I did I don't remember) or any 16:9 monitors. In FPS games especially having a super small reticle looked terrible. I never understood the hipster love for monitors like a fw900 etc. This is in retrospect. At the time I loved it. Going back from my current 1080p gsync monitor though it's bad.

Old PC games have different style huds for that reason I think. They were small and simple.

>>4075292
Why are you seemingly arguing against something I already admitted to be somewhat true?

>>4075302
You seemed to say that higher resolutions solved the problem. You brought up 8k.

>>4075307
I was responding to somebody who said CRTs in general couldn't handle high resolutions, as in the tube technology.

You seem to think that a CRT is the box you either plug into your computer/console or watch tv/movies on. This is not really the case any more than the LCD in a calculator is the same as the one you hang on the wall and play CoD on.

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>>4075307
Those monochrome tubes are a completely different beast to the CRTs used in TVs and monitors; They don't have a mask, so they only limits in terms of resolution are how focused you can get the gun and the actual grain of the phosphor coating in the tube. It's not something you could quite look at directly, but is capable of resolving extreme levels of detail.

On the topic of PC Monitors though, the .25mm tube in my SGI handles 1080p much much more nicely than the Megaview does, both in person and photos, at least when you can avoid moire.

Spoiler for more not /vr/

>>4075316
>You seem to think that a CRT is the box you either plug into your computer/console or watch tv/movies on.
That's exactly what it is... Sometimes you may need to install some software. Depends what you're talking about. Most the time the only options you have were the display itself. Especially when talking about retro.

We are talking about displays here. Maybe in theory there's some technology to let CRTs be good at high resolutions but I never saw it in consumer tech.

It's really no wonder this place is filled with nothing but children and narcissists.

Anyone with actual knowledge and experience gets relentlessly shouted down to the point they just leave.

>>4075317
Never knew.
>>4075332
Chill, summer.

>>4075350
>summer
You lost the right to call me that 11 years ago.

Yes, it STILL pisses me off to this day.

>>4075356
I wouldn't be bragging about coming to 4chan in 06.

>>4075378
Who's bragging?

Just pointing out that I didn't arrive here on the last boat from reddit.

>>4074087
It's 650 TVL anyway.

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Jackpot! Just found this Sony KV-29K5 for sale and he's asking $10!
Needless to say, I'm picking it up as soon as I can which will be in two days.
Since I've never bought a CRT before, is there anything I should look out for when I get there? Are these prone to any special flaws?

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>>4075485

Picture of the backside that he sent me

>>4075485
>>4075490
You should be made aware that only SCART 1 accepts RGB, SCART 2 is Composite + S-Video only.

Also, is the economic situation in Spain really so bad that people are dealing in dollars now?

>>4075501
That's good to know, thanks!

Well, it's in Sweden, but if I typed 100SEK many wouldn't know what I was talking about. Easier to just use USD

>>4075526
Interesting, the E suffix means it's set up for Spanish standards. Wonder how it found itself so far north? Anyhow, our transatlantic chums probably wouldn't know anything about it so probably better to convert to euros/GBP.

Looks to be a decent workhorse set from the overall best vintage of Trinitrons with no standout issues I can think of. Enjoy!

>>4075531

I think most of the Tv's up here in Scandinavia have the E suffix. Why? I have no clue, but it seems to be that way

Thanks! Hopefully I'll be able to put it to good use

>>4075485
Hijacking my own post to ask:
Anyone know the TVL for this thing? And if not, where can I find information regarding it? I cannot seem to be able to find any info about TVL

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>TFW BVM/PVM never ever

I hate Canada.

I got a Commodore Monitor 1702 though.

I guess I could do a quick mod and add S-Video plug easily.


Worth it?

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>>4075567

Front only has Composite.

I just got a free trinitron, first time owning one. Are there some settings, particularly in service mode that i should tweak for a better picture or should i leave that alone?

>>4075550
90s Trinitron TVs have an pitch of 0.5mm.
I think that the visible picture will be around 55cm wide means that it may have around 1100 RGB stripes which results into 825 TVL but imperfect (corner) convergence will bring it down to 750 TVL (i think).

>>4075567
>I guess I could do a quick mod and add S-Video plug easily.
Why bother? All you need is an adapter.

>>4075567
I would just make a cable adapter that goes from DIN to to that 2 rca, sounds pretty simple

>>4075482
Still far too few lines for something that huge.
But that's just my opinion.

>>4075568
That looks fantastic. I'd take one of those over my mediocre PVM any day.

>>4075678
How can you tell through all the JPEG blocking artefacts?

>>4075678
Also the landing in the upper right corner is FUCKED

>>4075701
What stands out to me most about CRTs is the color vibrancy. I'm also on 4chan via remote desktop to my home computer from work right now, so everything has artifacts all the time.
>>4075703
I see that on closer inspection, which is a shame.

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This is standard quality on a tv right?

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>>4075742
If you can't manage to focus your camera, yes

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>>4075762
Sorry about that. The lines look a bit warped.

>>4075606
>>4075638
Well, it's atleast pretty decent

How might I get rid of a CRT? Recycling doesn't seem to be an option, and I can rarely find people who want one.

>>4076054
Depends on where you are, but any modern city will have a recycling depot that takes these items. Call your city services department and ask them about it.

>>4076054
Pop it on craigslist with a massively inflated pricetag and W0W L@@K R3TR0 G4M3RZ type ad.

Then accept half your asking price and everybody wins.

Hey guys, any idea on how to get a good deal on a tube rejuvenator?

I can get one off eBay, but what do I do about proper adapters? Is there anyone making them for a certain brand anymore?

I need to get into CRT repair since I have gotten into working on arcades recently.

>>4072618
Update: I ordered the JVC since it was bigger and seemed to have better specs. Will post review/pics when it arrives.

>>4076162
>tube rejuvenator
You do realise those things have a 50/50 chance of:

A - slightly improving the image in the short-term
B - fucking the cathodes permanently
right?

Pure extra-virgin snake oil if you ask me.

>>4072713
Honestly, I'd only buy a PVM if I was still doing RGB mod work for old consoles, since you need to be able to test it at its highest quality.

Consumer CRT's are fine. People still throw them out all the time, or sell them for peanuts. You could do free/10-20 for a nice sized one, and then drop 20 bucks on a new remote, vs. 300+ that these guys are asking for PVM/BVMs.

Is a 22" Lacie Electron Blue IV in seemingly decent condition a good buy for £15?

I still have the option to pull out of the deal if I'm wasting my money.

>>4076273
Do it! Those are the fucking best!

Does anyone have recommendations for a utility cart to put your CRT's on?

I saw someone post about it and figured it would be a good idea for storage since I'm currently looking at a way to make my CRT more mobile, and have a more permanent storage solution for my SD consoles.

>>4076358
Go to your local hardware store and find any steel one that isn't held together by plastic.

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>can't decide if I want to keep my N64 on my qt 13' Orion or if I try to set up my heavy as fuck 27' Zenith
Are Zs impressive in any notable way?

>>4076209
You did good. Jvcs monies have good image. They also have exceptional s-video quality so be sure to use it.
And there may be an rgb mod possibility soon.

>>4076394
Scratch that, it's actually a 22'. Still fucking heavy though.

>>4076394
impressively heavy. For real though 20+" CRTs are amazing if you have the room for them. I can only fit a 13" right now, hoping to change that in the future. I'd keep the 13", of course, but set up the 22" if you can.

>>4076227
>a device used for decades by pros was actually destructive.
>also, what is a power dial

Is the jump from S-video to Component a big enough deal to go through the process of getting rid of a TV and making room for a bigger one? I'm talking about a 7" differential between the two.

>>4072351

My experience hunting PVMs:

Places that use them: "We recycle those, sorry."

Places that have them: "We don't sell to the public."

>>4076427
Not really and you enter the realm of hd/100hz shenanigans (unless you manage to get a multiformat monitor).
It's kinda worth for 6th gen because of access to 480p and up.

>>4076418
Once a tube gets to the stage that such a device would even be considered for use it's not much longer for this world.

You may make a quick buck now but no repeat business when it inevitably shits the bed a few weeks or months later.

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Anyone with a CRT projector could post some images of it working with retro games?

>>4076494
I'll take some pics on my next day off.
I have that exact projector, and a few more.

>>4076394
Honestly. I feel like bigger is better for CRT's, at least until you hit would I would consider a soft cap (around 27-30).

The difference between and 8 and 13 is huge. The difference between a 13 and 20 is huge.

Most definitely would go with the bigger one. Especially if at any point you want to play with friends.

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>>4076415
FUCK IT'S LIKE CARRYING THE MOON
Looks great though, sounds fantastic too

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>>4076531
Hopefully this one isn't upside down

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>>4076538
Third time's the charm

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>>4076531
I feel your pain, bro.

Imagine moving house single-handedly when you own a PVM-2950QM, 20" and 27" Profeels, four BVM-20F1s, IBM P260 and a bunch of 13" to 19" CRTs. Oh, and a 42" Pioneer Kuro. All but the plasma needed to go up two flights of stairs to my games room and I only weigh about 130lb myself.

I needed a drink at the end of the day, I'll tell you that.

>>4076654
That's too much CRT for one dude. Quit hoarding shit that others could enjoy.

>>4076654
Appliance dolly dude. Makes moving CRT's ezpz and goes up stairs.

>>4076531
Oh that looks great, really vibrant. I think you made the right call.

>>4076670
>enjoy
You mean abuse and break?

I actually take care of my stuff and it's in far better working condition than when I acquired it. Most of the newfags on here couldn't be trusted to preserve these marvels of technology past (which I fully intend to pass onto my children when they're old enough to care for and appreciate them).

Thanks for the advice though anon :)

>>4076504
That's great anon!

>>4076679
Dude, you got some issues...

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>>4076679
>which I fully intend to pass onto my children when they're old enough to care for and appreciate them
>CRTs
Sorry to burst your bubble but near all consumer CRTs will be near unplayable in less than 10 years from now.

yo kya, saw your message on shmups.
After I finish cloning the IF-C01COMG I'll try going for RGB mod on no-expansion monitor.
Will be a bit difficult since I couldn't find a service manual, but seems both have the same jungle IC so it's probably possible.

>>4073770
Does this work on consumer CRT televisions without 31Khz support?

>>4076913
I doubt it since you'd be pushing 31khz to a 15khz set. That's what CRTemudriver is for, isn't it?

You should really join the discord btw

>>4076920
Also, what is a good VGA to Component converter so I can play my PC games on the Samsung CRT on my bedroom, and again, I'm not sure if it supports 31Khz.

I do have a D32E1WU BVM on my game room but I also want to be able to play my PC games on my bedroom.

Also, does this CRT emudriver work for 480i or only 240p?
And can it work for a laptop without something like a Radeon or an Nvidia but has a VGA port?
Just curious...

>>4076937
Not qualified to help you with converters, sorry. But with CRTemudriver you need a specific type of Radeon as it's a custom driver for that series. As for resolutions I can't really help with that either, I've never actually used emudriver I just know what it's for, sorry!

http://mame.3feetunder.com/windows-ati-crt-emudriver/

>>4076941
Welp, I'm just gonna hope that the Samsung CRT I bought supports 480p via component and get a good VGA to component converter.

>>4076554
Second this, I like it. It's very colourful

>>4076880
I found the service manual for the one I'm looking at, I'm just not sure how difficult it would actually go about doing. With the expansion card based monitors, they even have a straight up button for toggling it in.

https://files.catbox.moe/ourk3v.pdf

>>4073743
They weren't available when I went but they will be there for sure tomorrow. I'm bringing some friends but do you have any tips on how I should put it in the car? I'm worried of bumbs or potholes on the road that might damage it.

>>4076794
Oh, undoubtedly.
>>4076835
That's why I have so many (pro models) and educated myself on how to repair and maintain them. My Profeels, for example, are knocking on 40 years old now and the picture on them is absolutely mint because I studied the service manual and adjusted them back to factory specs. Sure random components can fail (and be replaced) but the tubes themselves honestly show very little wear indeed.

Again, thanks for the concern but I'd like to think I have this covered.

>>4077442
I was talking about CRTs relevant to gaming. 80s to early 2000s CRTs will be dead very soon. 80s to 90s CRTs are already unusable for the most part.

Your set may have low hours but no way is it passing what it was speced for.

>>4077461
All my CRTs are relevant to gaming (because I game on them), they currently range from 13 up to 38 years old and none have proved to be beyond repair or adjustment.

Sorry you drank the planned obsolescence kool-aid and have no way of fixing your own shit. I'll be over here enjoying my empirical evidence to the contrary :)

>>4077472
>planned obsolescence
Has nothing to do with that. You got two main things that are killing CRTs.

Phosphor. This is the main one you fanboys ignore. In no way is phosphor that old performing like new.

Heat. This gets more true the newer the CRT you're talking about.

Look at arcades. Just about everyone in use today has some kind of replacement.

I've seen laserdisc talk here before, and I've got a question.
Is there big quality difference between a model with best video output of s-video compared to a model (the more recent ones, from what I've seen) that can do component?
Or does anyone know of a model that can output pure RGB?

>>4077481
Don't even bother with that guy. He's a borderline troll. I'm sure he's just gonna go inside the tube and paint new phosphors on or some shit once it gets to that, cause he's the CRT repair man extraordinaire!

>>4077486
Laserdisc isn't really related to /vr/ or the thread, the only reason it gets brought up is because our resident Taylor Swift fan loves them quite a bit.

>>4077486
I don't know a lot about Laserdisc but I do know the ones that claim RGB or HDMI support are garbage or lying. Laserdisc weren't coded for RGB.
>>4077489
Seems that way.

>>4077486
laserdiscs is a composite video signal, so anything besides that isn't going to offer much better quality since its just converting it.

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>>4077481
>>4077489
>worn phosphors
Riddle me this then:

How come when I hook up a BKM-14L to one of my BVM-20F1Es with 90k hours on its original tube it calibrates EXACTLY the same as when I hook it up to my 5k hour example?

You guys probably think Plasma panels burn in with normal usage too...

>>4077496
>>4077498
Thank you for info
>>4077489
sorry, I'll keep it out of the thread now

>>4077506
Calibration by hand is not precise.

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>>4077506
And to support my claims because you fanboys never will.

Basically the TLDR of this is if you're pushing 20k+ hours on your CRT it's already fucked. No CRT will come close to being in spec today. The phosphor is decaying. Both luminance and color reproduction are effected. This is fact. CRT manufactures know this and this is why they let you crank the luminance up. All you're doing is preventing the death and ruining color reproduction and contrast.

This article talks about other factors effecting lifespans of CRTs but phosphor is the number one limiting factor.

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>>4077558

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>>4077559
Also the bigger the display the more fucked you are. Got a CRT TV? Forget it.

>>4077558
>fanboys
it's just that one guy, everyone else understands this shit.

>>4077567
I see it in other threads and forums. Sorry for lumping you in but these guys scream loudly.

>>4077516
Did you miss the part where I said I was calibrating using the official Sony device aka BKM-14L?

Bottom line is that using the official method supported by the manufacturer a 90k tube calibrates the same as a 5k one. The only reason Sony typically replaced tubes at ~30k hours was when they had fucking timecodes burned into them.

Jesus you booksmart kids really get on my tits sometimes.

>>4077583
>BKM-14L
Let me guess. You think this thing never needs calibration itself? Since you already think it's some super precise instrument...

That tool is more meant to keep a cabinet of monitors at the same spec than it is to keep a monitor at its top performance.

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>>4077593
>That tool is more meant to keep a cabinet of monitors at the same spec
Which it does. A 90k hour tube and a 5k one measuring exactly the same. Does this not suggest to you that the phosphors have not drifted wildly in the intervening 85k hours?

As far as absolute calibration is concerned SMPTE colour bars measure up just fine both using the blue only option on the monitor and when checked externally using a GretagMacbeth iOne puck.
At this point I may as well ask your profession credentials? I was test technician for pic related before it was absorbed into amazon and relocated to the US. I then moved into test and QA inspection for a tier one fiber optic subassembly manufacturer working on 100+gbit transcievers and most recently have entered the aerospace sector as QA for the biggest name in aero engines.

>>4077606
You don't even know what you're measuring retard.

Before you reply again post a picture of your BVM's luminance. You being a test technician this should be trivial. And no that

>>4077624
And no that BKM-14L isn't going to show you it*

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All this talk about phosphor decay has me worried. Does that mean I should not get myself a PVM, because it will go to shit within 10 years anyway?

What other options are there?

>>4077628
It wont go to shit in 10 years. It's basically shit after 20k hours.

>>4077628
You're gonna die in some degree of time, might as well not continue living right?

>>4077634
>>4077636
Cool, so I'll dump meaningless currency into useless shit while I still can, thanks for putting things into perspective.

>>4077624
>>4077627
>that BKM-14L isn't going to show you it
Well actually combined with the internal white test signal and analyze function available on the BVM that's exactly what it shows, along with the x and y coordinates.

I may dig out my iOne in a bit and do an impartial comparison for my own peace of mind but I'm done arguing with some burger-flipper on a cantonese decoupage forum.

>>4077667
>that's exactly what it shows
No it doesn't...

>>4077669
Not that guy but rather than being so mysterious perhaps you could explain what the third value measured actually is.

It's expressed in cd/m2 which is generally used to denote luminance unless I'm missing something?

>>4077675
>mysterious
What's mysterious about? Rtfm.
It measures the luminance to a certain point. It's not going to tell the luminance though. You need to do that test manually. That's why I said this tool is more for to keep a cabinet of monitors at the same spec than it is to keep a monitor at its top performance.

>>4077681
So if you display the pure white internal signal (or one from a calibrated source) and then use the analyze function to measure the luminance value of that displayed signal this would tell you nothing about the condition of the tube?

>>4077691
It could fail.

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>>4077707

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Does anyone know anything about the Panasonic CT-1383 Y. There's one for sale in my area for $35, but I'm not sure if it's a good monitor or what kind of hookups it has in the back.

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>>4078039
seems to be a typical "medical grade" monitor. have you tried asking the seller?

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Finally joined the trinitron club! Picked up this KV-27FS120 for free today and was it ever worth the drive! It's damn big but looks much better than the smaller set I was using before.

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>>4073960
>hur dur my nostalgia glasses tell me that my shitty childhood tv is better than a literal broadcast professional quality monitor that cost thousands of dollars originally....

You cant be this dumb....

>>4078153
hateboner leaves brain blood deprived.

>>4078039
ask for a pic of the back

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>>4078168
Yeah i guess it does. But still, that guy cant really think a shitty cartoon brand tv is better than a broadcast monitor with rgb hook up... Can he?

>>4078250
it's almost as if that anon were joking...

I swear to god, this board gets denser and denser with each passing week.

How's the Sony KV 32FS320?

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>>4078250
POWER UP

>>4076654
Time to start lifting heavy

Hi /crt/, I'm broke but I want to play some neo-geo games on a CRT in 240p. I don't have the right hardware for CRT emudriver. Are there any good ports or re-releases that you'd suggest for any of the popular consoles?

Metal slug for Wii VC seems good and the emulator lag isn't awful. There was some anthology version on a disc too but it was 480i for some reason. It's too bad because it had a lot of features, I feel the same way about Atari Anthology on PS2, missed potential. Maybe the PS1 ports are the way to go?

>>4075531
Common misconception. "E" is for Europe. "E" marked trinitrons were regularly sold from Spain to Poland (i'm in Italy and i have had multiple)

>>4078153
It is better if you want crisp pixels just use a LCD with HDMI.

>>4077747
Rtfm

>>4078250
>>4078271
>>4078153


For games it is, for old games looks good image artifacts/TV screen artifacts are needed.

Also Shadowmask blends the pixels much better.

>>4073765
How do I do that?
Ive had a VGA monitor for some months now and I have to connect it to my pc through DVI because for some reason my pc doesnt recognize VGA.
Is there a way for me to get some scanlines on my monitor? Its really high quality and it looks great with HD stuff but oh well, I only use the monitor to play retro games and watch anime so I dunno.

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>>4078689
>Have a CRT monitor
>Make a custom modeline like 3480x240 or whatever res you need x240
>Make it run at 120Hz
>Get a good emu
>Enjoy your 5$ PVM

>>4078342
It's gonna be a nice SD TV with very good speakers. If you can get it for cheap or free, get it. It has 2 composite, 2 component, and 1 s-video. Keep in mind it's 162lbs of trinitron, so bring a friend!

>>4078705
I know its wrong to spoonfeed and shit but could you help me out with that?
Ive tried to look how to do that but Im still lost, it would be great if you could point me towards the right directon.

>>4078718
http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Display_FAQ#CRT_Monitors

>>4078718
AMD, Nvidia, or Intel?

If it's Nvidia, I can help. Otherwise no idea.

>>4078718
https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/675wk4/guide_how_to_run_retroarch_at_240p_on_your_vga/

learn to google shit, seriously

>>4078725
>>4078726
>>4078728
Thanks guys, I will investigate further, also, Its AMD.
Im not sure if the VGA to DVI adaptor influences anything but let me delve deeper into this matter.

>>4078742
the adapter doesn't, DVI has analog passthrough. what will affect things is EDID. no idea how to bypass EDID on AMD but you can always go the physical route.

>>4078742
>>4078746
He can use CRU utility to make a custom res on AMD cards

>>4078528
If you have a fat PS2 you can softmod to run Neo-Geo and CPS ports in their proper 240p res through patches.

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Just beat The Goonies. I love my AV Famicom.

>>4078907
Is that Composite output?
If so, then nice.
The Famicom only deserves to be output at Composite and nothing else higher than that because the colors of the NESRGB mod are inaccurate.

But I do prefer my original Famicom because of the microphone.

>>4078915
Yep. Just composite. I don't really see the point in the RGB mod when composite is so nice.

>>4078918
You're right. Composite is really great in the Famicom and the RGB mod has awful colors.
But I do use RGB and/or Component (YPbPr) for most of my other consoles, though. And they go to my D32E1WU BVM.

And my bedroom has a Samsung CRT where most of my consoles go with HD Retrovision cables.
I just had a CRT there for retro games since most of my modern games, movies and TV watching go to my living room/home theater #1 with an LG OLED 4K TV.

My game room/home theater #2 has all my retro games with a BVM.

>>4078746
>>4078787
>>4078726
>>4078725
>>4078705
Alright guys, I think I did it, it has the scanlines and it looks good but a problem arised.
Even though it runs on a 240p resolution and even though everything seems to work fine, some black borders appear and its as if Im playing on a window mode, does anyone why this happens?
I have a 22' screen not sure if thats the problem.
I will post a MMX pic briefly where I tried to stretch the image with the CRT options but it still doesnt cover the black bars on the side and they also seem to slighly curve inwards.

>>4078962
Your CRT doesn't have built in menu controls to configure that stuff? Most PC CRTs do.

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>>4078962
Here it is

Can a PAL gamecube play NTSC games at full speed? I assume not, otherwise people in burgerland would be importing them because PAL can do RGB, instead of spending a ton of money on video mods or the stupid fucking component cable.

Are there any general settings one should adjust in a crt? For example, should i have Sharpness to 0, all the way, or somewhere in between? I just got a crt for the first time and i want to adjust the picture quality but not sure what i should adjust it to. Currently all the settings (Picture, Brightness, Hue, Color, Sharpness etc) are all around the middle mark.

Sorry for the stupid question but didnt find relevant info in the op

>>4078528
Wii VC is definately the way to go for easy and good neogeo emulation, at 240p

I did it. I found a thrift store that still accepts CRT donations and sells them dirt cheap. They only had two available today; an 8" Goldstar and a 13" Sylvania. Picked up the Sylvania to use for my Snes and it's so much more pleasant and reminiscent of the old days to play on this thing. I'm just using standard av cables and its no pvm but I'm really enjoying it anyway, especially for 8 bucks. Checked them on ebay and can't find one under 80

>>4079006
no they run at 60Hz fine, neither region can do RGB, you're thinking of component, which is YPBPR and is different to RGB. The good news is many of the later generation PVM/BVMs have YPBPR inputs on expansion cards that give you an extremely crisp 480p image.
>>4079056
play around with geometry first, there should be a guide in the manual for which order you set these to control the picture effectively. normally, contrast(beam intensity, the higher the harder the tube is worked) is 100%, brightness(actually sets the contrast ratio) at 50%, now unless you have a reference monitor the color is going to be garbage, just adjust your convergence if you have a rainbow effect at the center of the display, edges are always going to be shit.

>>4079107
>neither region can do RGB
huh, I was under the impression that PAL gamecube can output RGB to at least 480i. And I'm not thinking of component, because I know for a fact my NTSC gamecube won't do component without a mod or expensive cables, otherwise I wouldn't be asking.

>>4079107
Dont have the manual unfortunately. Its a sony kv-32fv16. I dont see any options for geometry, is that a service mode setting? Again im a complete beginner at this , sorry for that. Im seeing that theres a homebrew program called 240p suite, maybe that can also help too

>>4079107
>either region can do RGB
PAL Gamecubes are perfectly capable of RGB. That's why some people who want to use GBI have been importing PAL GCs just for the purpose of booting homebrew on them.

>>4079139
You have internet, right?
https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-home.pl?mdl=KV32FV16
If you google your model you get the manual. If you have the remote I think it's display, 5, and volume up while the set is off and it'll start in service menu. But tinker with that stuff at your own risk!

>>4079148
So lets say i mess around with service menu options. Whats the worst that can happen, and is it recoverable?

>>4078645
Gfym

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>>4078590
????

>>4079157
Just make sure you document the settings and don't touch things you don't need to. It should all be recoverable. Worst that could happen is you lose sync or something.

>>4079168
Ill do that, thanks anon

>>4079157
there is a factory ROM in all trinitron sets that you can reset to. if you fuck it up badly enough it's just a matter of loading that preset and starting again. just don't fuck around with the OSD h-sync, you can actually soft brick the screen that way because you'll lose sync entirely and wont be able to see any of the menus on screen.
>>4079143
thats news to me, i tried to get RGB out back in the day on my PAL cube but i guess all the docs/hearsay was from NTSC cubes.

>>4078969
Check either your emu's aspect/res config or you monitor controls

>>4077562
You're reading it backwards. The smaller 5x5 CRT in the example had its life at 1500 hours vs 18000 for the 21"

If a CRT lasts 20,000 hours...

Say many of us are at least 27yrs old (~10,000 days). We could play 1 hour on a CRT for the next 20,000 days until we're in our early 80s before the thing goes assuming the unit has low hours now (82 yrs = ~30k days).

Worry more about life being short.

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It makes me laugh when people shit their pants over the operation time on older BVMs as it doesn't even mean the thing has been switched out of standby.

It was only with the A series that Sony started logging actual tube use.

What's a good vga or hdmi to composite or rgb scart converter?
Been wanting to watch some old chinese cartoons on my old telly but I'm really not quite sure what to look out for.
I mean, picture quality probably isn't going to be the best but it would be nice if it was at least acceptable.

>>4079860
Those cheap as fuck HDMI-2-CVBS or HDMI-2-SVIDEO boxes from eBay and aliexpress are actually great for this. While they are terrible for retro gaming because they don't have the proper circuitry to output 240p, they work just fine for any other visual media. I used one for over a year to stream anime and movies via HDMI from my laptop, and everything looked especially good through S-Video.

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Skyblazer is so good, this level is a pain in the ass but the ost is really good.

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Just for fun I want to try some 240p consoles out on a 31khz CRT. Finally ordered an OSSC line doubler, but it only has digital output. Are those cheap HDMI to VGA adapters a huge image quality bottleneck, maybe adds latency too? I didn't get the OSSC just for this but I thought it might be neat for like a bar/table top setup.

>>4080352
they're fine and don't add lag. A good thing is that it seems most support full color range (unlike the hdfury gamer). AFAIK limit is 1080p for all of them.
Some are powered by HDMI, and sometimes the HDMI device doesn't provice enough power (like the PS4), so if it's the case with OSSC either go through an AV receiver, or buy an USB powered converter.

>>4079894
Alright, I guess I'll just check out the cheap ones.
Although I wouldn't mind spending a little extra, I have a lot of HDMI devices that I would love to try on an old tube telly.

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>>4080352
>>4080370
and to add, apparently it's a decently common setup among OSSC users.
pic is PS3 Dragon's Crown on FW900, with like the cheapest converter, surprised me that it supported both full color range and hdcp.

>>4080370
>>4080393
neat, thanks. now to just wait until september when it gets here and I can actually do any of this. Maybe my shitty NEC isn't quite FW900 tier but the off-white bezel is still pretty radical.

Guys, I think I found a matrix switcher for cheap, not an extron but still. How the fuck do I use it? Is it worth buying for $30 or less?

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>>4080352
Did you see my post in the OSSC thread by any chance?

I've ordered one of those converters but in the meantime dragged out an Extron DVS 510 as a makeshift DAC to see how it turned out. Not too bad as it happens.

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Is this any good? I'm a CRT newfag

>>4080440
Looks pretty authentic to me dude

I didn't know there was a scene for this. I have always refused to get an HD/flatscreen/whatever TV because my CRT is awesome and works fine.

What sort of brands should I be looking for when going for 480p VGA monitors

>>4080550
Anything that ends in *tron
Especially Sony stuff

>>4080554
but those are all component cables aren't they?
I only play Dreamcast and Playstation games.

>>4080416
nope, gonna go find that thread now. That pic looks great to me, I thought maybe the fake scanlines wouldn't look good. They are really sharp I guess which some people might not like

>>4080550
Do you mean a computer VGA monitor? If so, you should just go for anything that has a high horizontal frequency. I honestly prefer a nice shadow mask over any sort of aperture grille, Sony or not, but only for computers.

>>4080393
Playing HD Games on an SD setup is surprisingnly comfy. There's just something fun about it.

>>4080636
I actually just found one online they released a few Triniton monitors with the label HMD XXX I'm pestering someone on ebay to let me have a courier to deliver it to me.
It looks really good though I still have hope

>>4080550
Here's a better question: is it a big enough jump between Dreamcast RGB SCART to VGA that I should buy a monitor for it specifically?

>>4080646
>FW900
>SD

>>4080660
Well yeah its gonna run your games at 480p
Plus it works with desktop PCs so it has extra functionality

What's the best way to tell if my Pvm has geometry issues? I'm new to the technical side of CRTs

>>4080670
look at it, lol

but seriously, load up 240p test suite if you can. it has a grid and circle test pattern to test geometry and linearity.

>>4080678
Short of that, what can I do? I don't own any flashcarts at the moment.

>>4080950
I've heard of burning a test pattern to a DVD. Just look into test patterns, they even make generators for them that you plug straight into the set.

>>4080646
an FW900 is likely a better display than whatever you're looking at this thread on. look it up!

>>4081228
>Max H-Sync Rate 121 Hz

It ain't all that amazing tbqh unless you really need widescreen.

>>4082115
>2560x1600@69
>not amazing

What is the /vr/ approved method of outputting video from a PC to a sony pvm?

>>4075207

you have a arcade machine in your kithcen

srsly get a life

>>4082515
Someone is jealous

>>4082115
this right here
also dont forget
>0.27mm

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Anyone here know of good, cheap CRTs simply for retro gaming (PS1 and pre)?
Are there any models sold for under 50€? I am not interested in one with collector's worth, but one that will run my games.

>>4082632
You should be able to pick up just about any 21" black Trinitron for that much or less. Perhaps a B&O MX (you might even get a Beo 4 remote thrown in if the seller doesn't have his merchant head screwed on).

>>4082743
Alright, ty.

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Is this a good crt?

>>4083231
sylvania is a budget brand, so not really no.

>>4083282
Well I'm a budget boy, so fuck it

>>4083353
just keep an eye out on local listings. i got a nice 27 inch trinitron for free because I didn't jump on the first thing I saw.

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Can anyone possibly tell me what's wrong with my PVM? It's a PVM-1354Q. It has power, yet the screen doesn't turn on at all. Could there be faulty wiring inside, or is it not getting the proper amount of voltage?

>>4079975
is that the sky tower level?

Heads up britfags.

FW900 on ebay uk for a hundred quid right now.

>>4075278
A halfway decent CRT projector with 5"
tubes will chew up a 1080p signal and shit out gold.

Especially with those HDMI cards you can get for them.

I've seem a CRT projector with PS4 games and it's AMAZING.

To say nothing watching a remastered blu-ray on one.

do text spoilers work on/vr/

>>4083649
You're not even gonna get a projector with 5" tubes, 7" is minimum.

Any set with 7" tubes will not do a 1080p or 1080i signal justice, maybe 720p. Now an 8" or 9" set, that's good.

>>4072378
pass the controller bro

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Just bought Metal Slug 2 on steam, is there a way to lower it to 640x480?

>>4083231
>>4083353
where do you live? Im a cheapskate too, recently moved to a deadass area and still found people either giving away sony crts or selling them for $20 or less. I'd say just hold out unless its like $5 and you want it now

>>4083772
South Florida. My friend is moving so I'm getting it for free

>>4083404
I just use a regular power cable btw, no bricks or anything. Is that some sorta fatal mistake or something? I doubt it, but I don't know shit about TV's so who knows

>>4082481
get a HDMI to VGA active converter, use the guide posted ITT to setup custom resolutions, VGA to SCART or directly connected to the RGB inputs, sync from composite fed into the EXT SYNC port, there are countless guides on how to combine VGA H&V sync signals into a composite sync if for some reason you don't get that directly from the converter.

>>4083782
sounds like a problem with the hv regulator. I don't think this is gonna be an easy fix for you, m7

>>4083404
It's weird that the light is on. Sometimes mine won't power up fully. It seems to be that the wires from the power plug to the B board (I believe) are crimped between part of the case and I think it shorts them out. If I wiggle the wired around it'll power up and stay on. Doesn't seem to be bad solder joints either. I don't get the light though, so this could be something else.

Looking at picking up a Sony Color Watchman FDT-5BX5 for $80, since portability and ease of use are what I want out of a CRT.

Can anyone here tell me if that's a good deal?

Just found somebody selling these little 13" Haier tv's that seem to actually have component in the back; I'm gonna pick it up for the novelty.
not even a flat panel

>>4083825
>>4083404
I'm starting to think the orange tally light is used to indicate a fault. And not just one fault, but a few different ones. I have a 1454QM that was having sync issues, and now when it tries to power up all that comes on is the lamp. I'm looking into the sync circuit to try and fix it, and will post back if I manage to do so.