/scg/ - Sound Chips General

troll thread repost

>>3181295
Care to elaborate? I just want to discuss retro sound technology used for games.

>>3181298
your prior thread got deleted did it not?

>>3181293
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qLkT5AXnnM

Obligatory SID mention.

>>3181308
for no reason, yeah. why?

>>3181324
see
>>3181295

idiot

>>3181334
>>3181295
How is this a troll thread? Sounds like a good idea for a thread to me.

>>3181406
It's a "SNES vs Genesis sound" thread in disguise, which always goes full on shitposting

>>3181417
No it isn't. Stop being so paranoid.

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>>3181293
You asked the wrong question OP.

New Thread Topic: Share cool sound chips and music that made them great.

FM is love, FM is life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbRsXElzrVU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnCEMAnkXrw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEUC8oaMsjY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmmJeaNf5qo&t=11m17s

>>3181441
Then, YOU'RE A PIG GUY.

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>>3181591
>YOU'RE A PIG GUY
>YOU'RE A SQUID GUY
>YOU'RE A PIG
>YOU'RE A SQUID

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YWNTOiJa5s

>>3181298
>realistic samples of PCM
This is the trolling. You know full well that most /vr/ PCM had muffled and unrealistic samples. The only reason to call them realistic is to anger the fans of all the other techniques.

>>3181653
It was all the aliasing. Why didn't they just run it through a filter beforehand?

>>3181293
2A03, motherfucker.

>>3181591
FOR YOU

>>3181653
Muffle aside, sample-based synth sounded more realistic than anything else before it.

And really it was just the SNES that had muffle issues. Arcade PCM is a different matter.

>>3181671
>It was all the aliasing.
Amiga has major aliasing, but that's the only system I can think of that does. I actually like it, it partly compensates for the low sample rates by adding some extra high frequencies.

>Why didn't they just run it through a filter beforehand?
They usually did.

>>3181701
>it partly compensates for the low sample rates by adding some extra high frequencies.
Yeah this was my thought as to why they left it in actually - but I'd have thought a compromise would have been better. I remember the announcer on Xenon being practically unintelligible, for instance.

I prefer music from a composer who correctly knows how to use either

>>3181671

And compression+memory limitations.

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>>3181293
I dont know what this guys set up is but it sounds good as fuck with all that reverb. Also Konami and MSX SCC is a beautiful thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U9X7swlra0

>>3182012
who /roland/ here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyIxeMY820E

>>3181293
>realistic
topkekid

>>3182062
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltoc0XD5waI

sounds like real opera music

Anyone going to get a volca FM to run Sega midis through?

yamaha xg for life

>>3182189
I SAID YAMAHA XG FOR LIFE

>Fart Modulation
>good

>>3181315
i'd rather have the original music remixed with the SID

>>3184151
the original music is there but gng reuses the same song for two levels so tim follin decided to add new music instead of reusing the same song

>>3182012
I think this is actually based on an official remix that Konami had made, which also used the SCC. It's really weird to hear official remixes using the same chip as the original.

I'll try to find it.

>>3184161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL9B56SZQkA
I think this was it.

>>3184160
It doesn't even have the real main theme, dude.

>>3184172
Thats awesome thanks.

Fray used the YM2413 OPLL/OPL2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd3Wwe9DiZ4
and I guess MSX-Audio used YM3526 OPL1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRYvez5EGcg

>>3181293
2612 can do both FM and PCM, and Megadrive as a whole can do all 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsHnrOdf9EI

>>3184237
Let's not forget that Final Fantasy 1 on the MSX had the better music:
http://vgmrips.net/packs/pack/finalfantasy

>>3184148
sounds good to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2oyweqZ7WM

>>3184148
>Fart Modulation
>Over 18

>>3184143
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9sBgJJr1vU

>>3184302
mmmmm

delicious wet farts

>>3184259
Not to mention a suggested use for algorithm 1 of the YM2612 according to the Sega Genesis Technical Manual is to replicate the PSG sound

>>3184259
SMD only had 1 channel for PCM, and it sounded like shit because it was only 8-bit.

>>3184538
it sounded like shit in some games because there's dma to account for.
In fact, many snare drums sound better on MD than on the SNES

>>3184546
Show me an MD game with better percussion Super Castlevania IV:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB3dvr7OFGQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z0bIidrXm0

>>3184538
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITa9yq56BUI

>>3184568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apa80Rc4Oaw

>>3184589
the drums sound too tinny, try again

>>3184568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIke0JFJ-z4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk72RMv9d0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n0K8zYoIko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_08z00qzfpw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-lRotOle9c

>>3184602
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUAxFhJt5Xk
the snes version sounds like shit b t w. im done console warring l8r.

>>3182028
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrG3ZdpDpsU

Whatever the Game Boy uses. It's like the NES's 6502 on crack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHPrqWzkJuI

>>3182028
>soundfont
Very good one I'll admit. Some recordings from hardware—

Bosconian X68000 (SC-55): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScxn6t7wLM
Gabriel Knight (SC-88): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFcTfHdOOSI&t=275
Brandish VT (SC-55): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZlnBc6KPI8
Back to Saturn X (SC-88): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXeva0jCZPA
Power DoLLS 2 (SC-88): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWGqM88brBQ
Ashguine 2 (SC-55 + FM): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvz-jlyA1Ew&t=156
Azrael's Tear (SC-55mkII): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06EcGwpuak8

Songs that ANOMARIA sequenced for Roland Sound Canvas sounds amazing, too—

Magic Mirror (SC-55):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upY4kpwfaeU
Zero in You (SC-88): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC2j4ubMhCo
Man-Machine (SC-88/88VL): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5hQDEcz9BU

I'm plenty familiar with MT-32 stuff as well (Telenet and Konami in particular), just not as huge a fan these days.

>>3184143
What are some games that really take advantage of XG and Yamaha sound modules? Seems like most developers put data sequenced on Roland sound modules into their games. I'm curious and want to listen to more Yamaha stuff.

Geograph Seal using MU2000EX: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsAQQzuSmpw&t=42m45s

>>3184624
Oh wow, thanks for reminding he put the whole playlist up. I recorded Ys Eternal's GS MIDI music for that channel recently.

>>3184707
>What are some games that really take advantage of XG and Yamaha sound modules?
I duno I just listen to them at vgmusic.com

>>3184640
It's almost identical except for having stereo.

>>3184707
I can't think of many games that support XG. I know FF7 and FF8 for PC do.

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>>3181293
FM synth is great in glorious mono only

>>3185007
And an extremely flexible wavetable channel as a replacement for the NES's useless triangle.

>>3182101
It won't work because the Volca FM is monotimbral and have only 3 voices with 6-operators instead 6 with 4-op.
You might play a patch used in a song tho if you are able to make something in C/C++ or Python that replicate the patch you are interested in with Sysex data compatible for the Volca.
Otherwise, it seems like a fun but very flexible toy. If I had money, I would get one to play with my Microbrute.

>>3185176
It lose the DPCM channel though, which can used to play samples of percussion, voices, or something like bass, as they did in the Gimmick soundtrack to a nice effect.

>>3185176
Oh lovely wavetable.
https://youtu.be/MqZb9WeVduU

>>3185662
Yeah, but samples aren't real chiptune, so the GB is better at pure chiptune than the NES. And it could still do this:
https://youtu.be/unMGuGfEO_E

>>3184707
>Geograph Seal
>This shit looks like a proto Jumping Flash
>It is

I want to play this fucking game

>>3184568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdY4EKAcW4Q
You aren't going to be convinced anyway. You call other samples 'too tinny' when most of SCIV's snare samples sound pretty muffled, like almost all SNES samples.

Also, if you're going to post SCIV, post tracks with its actual best percussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVN8CA-Ufkk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIn-PXpfSg4

>>3184568
don't make me fucking post thunder force music again

>>3187402
>thunder force
>drums
l0l

>>3187518
what the fuck are you talking about

even thunder force 2 has beefy as fuck drums

>>3187523
the drums are a lie, anon

>>3187217
dude, I love Mega Turrican soundtrack, but next time don't use a Professor G vid, he uses like, the worst emulator on the worst setting possible

>>3188073
I just pulled the first video I saw. Playing it through VGMPlay, and you're right that it sounds fucked by comparison; the high-hat is jacked. Thing is, I can't seem to find a video that doesn't have the same jacked hi-hat sound.

Still stand by the song, though. I've never even played the game but the music is delicious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a76oFUArUek
BONUS: unrelated to the percussion comparison since it's just bass, but it's my favorite goddamned Genesis track ever.

>>3186160
>so the GB is better at pure chiptune than the NES. And it could still do this

That guitar sound is a sample on the wave channel anyways. There are even sample kits for LSDJ that use that channel.

>>3188128
RKA is one of the most unique PSG user.

Uses all 3 squares but not the noise, while the immense majority use 2 squares and the noise, as the 3rd square settings are used for noise channel (and many times PSG is used for SEs).

Most tracks have PSG doing some kind of echo/reverb, but toward the end of loop the PSG takes the lead.

>>3188254
That's what it was supposed to prove. That the GB has a magnificent wavetable that can even do samples. GB > NES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVnxHrqibT0
https://youtu.be/DRejS-izaZo

>>3185176
Doesn't the GB offer more control for the square channels?

Basically the NES soundchip was limited but stupid simple. It had 5 channels. Two for pulse waves, one for triangle wave, one for noise, and one for DCM samples (very limited and barely used)

I'm not sure how filtering worked. I think it was automatic.

The advantage to this is that it was stupid simple and easy to use. You didn't have to be a professional sound designer to write a good NES tune, you just had to be a good composer. There is a reason why 8 bit chiptunes are the most popular today.

The Genesis used an FM chip. FM synthesis is basically the act of taking two audible soundwaves and running them into eachother. Whereas subtractive synthesis (NES) was taking one wave and "subtracting" from it by using either filters or LFOs. FM synthesis could create sounds with multiple harmonics. The advantage to this is that you could literally stack like 4 or 5 modulators on top of eachother. That is how you got soundtracks like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqMuvFEKCOk

The limitations of it is that with FM synthesis, if you don't know what you are doing it's going to sound retarded. This was compounded by the Genesis' weak 8 bit processor. The only way to really create audible basslines was to stack harmonics on them, creating that "wah" or "farting sound", not to mention the very high signal to noise ratio. I mean after you are done listening to the Genesis Ecco the Dolphin soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzdShv9Rfv4

The limitations really showed when stacked up against newer consoles which had wavetable and PCM synthesis, which allowed them to basically take analogue waveforms and digitize them (basically digital sampling)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TRIUXzUrCY&list=PL1E926CF52A295359&index=12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k7Tq0XgfLI

>>3184606
That all sounds so low and weak.

>>3192331
How can you not like *ting ting ting * *bzzzz* *BRRRRRRARRRRP*

>>3192331
Low and weak is what I think of when I hear SNES music, with all its high-pitched echo-ish sounds.

>>3192391
I love how the first line of defense of segafags is to attack nintendo.

>>3181293
SID will always be the best

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Midnight Resistance on the Genesis had an outstanding soundtrack.

https://youtu.be/Ie1yVhXkpCU

>>3192754
oh fuck thats not retro
have something more retro ha ha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpAWgIMAJmM

Did Japan have a subculture of white trash niggers in the 90s? I'm curious as to who actually bought sega's nigger tier shit back then. Because only white niggers owned Sega in the states, that's a fact.

>>3192794
>Because only white niggers owned Sega in the states, that's a fact.
Prove it.

>>3192798
Well I grew up in an all white community out West and I only had interaction with other whites growing up. Only the welfare queen single mom families owned a Genesis. I'm sure niggers, actual African ape niggers I mean, owned them too.

But I'm just guessing. My 5 sibilings and I were raised in a small pro-white guarded community that had and still has lots of ties to the Aryan brotherhood. So you're sure as shit I'd never mingle with a baboon nigger.

>>3192802
Lmao can't stop laughing at this for some reason.

>>3192810
Sorry I had a white European childhood and it sounds foreign to you. I understand why you'd laugh. Pity though, few whites will ever experience it, but you're a fool if you think my kids aren't living it too.

>>3192817
No, I mean comments like
>welfare queen single mom
>african ape niggers
>baboon nigger
Great stuff, keep it up.

>>3192820
Stop listening and reading to Jew multi-culti shit on the internet anon. You seem like you're not brainwashed. Good for you.

>>3192820
I think this is amazing too. "Welfare Queen Single Mom" might just be one of the greatest insults I've ever come across.

>>3192825
Oh my god, he's going into maximum overtroll! We can't handle faggotry of this scale! If he doesn't slow his bait down, he's going to burn out and have to retreat back to /pol/ with all the other retards.

>>3192894
>>>/lgbt/ triggered little bitch.

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>>3192825
>LITERALLY, current year
>not being a cultural marxist
Get this /pol/tard out of here.

Genesis didn't get good sounding drums until the 32X add-on.

Case in point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG6FUvY7_J0

>>3192802
Pure gold

For me, anyway, I like FM more. With early PCM, it just feels like an inferior version of a record. FM feels like it's own thing, not a poor man's version of something else. And while lazy composers definitely give FM a bad name by trying to write FM music like they would a standard 4 voice ensemble, when they actually embrace the medium it makes some truly unique sound. Early PCM doesn't do that for me. It always sounds like an inferior version of a real instrument version that the composer thought up instead. At the time, PCM definitely had its merits. But now that I can play music on a nearly-live quality...it makes me wish they had more to work with at the time.

TMNT Tournament Fighters has better music on MD than SNES.

SNES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeBfyK5I6ug
vs.
MD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xafblye9Cu4

SUPER NINTENDO HAS NO BASS!!

I tend to prefer the gritty rawness of c64's SID, but the Amiga had some rad tunes as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip6d4AJ0K7w