Did SM kill Pokemon?

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>>33073695
Daily reminder

>>/vp/ itself has degenerated into waifufaggotry and furfaggotry, indicating stagnation

>implying it wasnt always waifufaggotry and furfaggotry

Dude. I been fucking saying this

Pokemon Tumblr is dead. You know sun and moon was trash when that happened

Tumblr is Pokemon paradise before this

>>33073729
Daily reminder
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon
>sales are steadily decreasing and SM sales are the lowest

>>33073729
What does profits from 2016. Have to with all the Pokemon communitys being dead in 2017

>>33073695
It's not SM fault alone. It's the entirety of the 3ds games. They have ALL been lackluster and underwhelming. It's been going downhill for a while now.

>>33073740
>13-17: 22%
>18-29: 46%
heh

>>33073756
Why would you even disagree. Where are the fabled redeeming qualities of Shit and Poo?

That's right. You can't find any because you're too busy inserting Nu-Gamerfreak's pozzed cock in your mouth.

>>33073695
I stopped playing after Gen 3 and later emulated 4, and bought Black in a flea market, but nothing has done more to get me back in the series than Sun & Moon. I've logged 700 hours on my current save and I've been doing it all, competitive, shiny hunting, battle tree, breeding. All of those are things that I never bothered with before, so for me, SM is the best games in the series.

>>33073695
>>33073695
>sales are the lowest among all newgen Pokemon games
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/3ds.html
>more sales than ORAS in Japan

Audience turnover, it happens literally every odd-numbered generation

The old fans start leaving, and new ones take their place

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>>33073782
Most of XY's sales were during holiday season too.

It's just Pokemon's trend. New main series game usually cause an explosion of activity followed by another lull after the initial few months. And people haven't been defending in 'cause lol what's the point? Many have just accepted that others don't like it. Why beat a dead horse?

>>33073788
The difference here is. Kids are playing or watching Pokemon like we did as kids.

There playing mineceaft or mobile games. The turnover for old fans leaving and kids coming. Will be pretty bad

>>33073762
>Shit and Poo
IT'S ( Y O U ) AGAIN
I'm on other Computer now, So, I don't have any Reaction images for your Stupidity, BACKUP PLAN
__________
{ FUCK OFF }

>>33073788
Except now the audience is seeing how Nu-Pokemon is the new Assassin's Creed and instead of a turnover, no new people come in. Good.

>>33073812
Not an argument, cuck.

>>33073695
>Nintendo had to announce a Switch game during E3 because of the backlash

You're a goddamn fucking retard if you think "backlash" had anything to do with it

>>33073815
>nut an ergemet REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Arguments are Overrated

>>33073695
>USM
>not UltSunUltMoo

>>33073816
Of course it was backlash. What little Pokemon fans are left after the TORtanic-tier debacle that was Shit and Poo are desperate for anything better, even if it has to be on the Shitch.

>>33073816
Dude the USM and Pokken only has 300k views in 45 days in Japan Pokemon channel. There was plenty of backlash in Japan

>>33073816
The backlash had EVERYTHING to do with it.
They announced USUM for 3DS and then a week later at E3 gave a reassurance "W-We're making Pokemon for the Switch too guys. It will be out uh...at some point so p-please wait for it and understand". That's not how you do business. It's completely unprofessional. It was a rushed and unplanned announcement to try and calm the Switchtards who were fucking livid they weren't being pandered to.

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>>33073917
To be fair you can't really blame desperate Shitch shills for being butthurt that they have nogaems.

>>33073923
Super Mario Odyssey and Xenoblade 2 have both been confirmed for a late 2017 release date you retard

>>33073923
>>>/v/

>>33073923
There are plenty of games. Just because there are none you want to buy doesn't mean there are none.

The point is that a port would've been easy and should have been done.

This will be the first time they've moved on to a new handheld (which is what the Switch is, though it can pretend to be a console if you wish) and the new Pokémon game can't be played on it since the Switch doesn't take 3DS cards.

Should've been ported and given extra features just like the Gen 5 games did for the DSi and 3DS.

>>33073695
If they would release any information that would show it wad not just the same shit with different mcs and two new box legendary forms there would be hype

>>33073779
>ORAS
>start of a new generation

are you retarded?

>>33073695
>pretty much nobody is willing to defend SM anymore
Why should we? We must never respond to shitty baiters and contrarian mongoloids.

>hype for USM is non-existent, compared to BW2 where we had even less info
I dissagree. Also, that's because they anounced the Switch one. Has nothing to do with SM.

>all the major Pokemon forums (Serebii, Smogon, Bulbagarden, Reddit, /vp/) are nearly dead
They were always full of cancer, so who fucking cares.

>2ch has nothing good to say about SM either
More cancer

>/vp/ itself has degenerated into waifufaggotry and furfaggotry, indicating stagnation
It was like that since the first day, fucking newlord.

>Poketubers are quitting in droves because the cart game is equally terrible
Poketubers? Seriously? Kek

>sales are the lowest among all newgen Pokemon games
Now, that's a lie.

>>33074094
>Now, that's a lie.

It is though. Granted it's still possible it could pass XY, but as of right now it's the lowest selling.

>>33073695
Gen 3 did, everything past gen 2 is garbage, they killed Misty and Brock

>>33074116
That's bw

>>33073695
>>hype for USM is non-existent, compared to BW2 where we had even less info
We had far more info then than we do now.

>>33073695
>sales are the lowest among all newgen Pokemon games

lier.

S/M are close to 18M

>>33074123

Misty and Brock had already become walking scenery by Gen 2, Misty in particular became shit the moment she got Togepi

Misty is lucky that they chose to keep Team Rocket on the show over her, they kept dragging Brock's rotting corpse around for three more series until they finally did the right thing and gave him the boot too

>>33074123
>gen 3
>killing anything
>not Gen 2 that stopped pokemania dead in it's tracks
Gen 2 funnily enough was the same situation as SM but on a much larger scale.

>>33074168
>Misty in particular became shit the moment she got Togepi
Kys everybody knows Misty is the only and best girl

>/vp/ itself has degenerated into waifufaggotry and furfaggotry, indicating stagnation
It was the reason /vp/ was created, so the other boards have less shit threads like this one related with Pokémon.

>>33073695
>Nintendo had to announce a Switch game during E3 because of the backlash
Look I'm all in on the SM hate train, but this meme needs to stop.

>>33073695
Are you fucking kidding me? Whenever i go i see people screaming fir USUMo's news, most if them really think is a complete overhaul of SM with massive story and personalities changes, some idoots even think that is an actual sequel.

>>33074686
OK genius, tell us why they would announce a switch game a week after revealing USM.

>>33073923
I love you, blunderanon!

>>33073695
>Pretty much nobody is willing to defend SM anymore
Stopped reading, literally retarded

>>33073748
>announcing reports even is ironic

>>33074132
No Black and White have still sold more. Both XY and BW are at 15 mil while SM is at 14.

>>33075393
Are you retarded ? XY sold more than bw and SM is really close behind.
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon

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>>33075426
This is straight from Nintendo Japan website

It's only up to march 31st 2017. 5 months of sun and moon

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/3ds.html>>33075393

>>33075426
that's what im saying.

>>33073765
Shit taste. Seek suicide ya dweeb.

>>33075555
Final fantasy xv isn't good. Don't get your point

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Pokemon needs some serious long-term competition so GameFreak gets their head out of their ass and realizes they need to put in effort if they want to reel in sale again.
But so far in its whole run, Pokemon hasn't had one ounce of competition aside from the Yokai-Watch Fad in Japan, and this lack of competition is solely because of PokeMania basically granting it a monopoly on the Monster-Catching Genre in its infant stages.

>>33075581
Yo Kai watch led Pokemon company to make the shit fest sun and moon. To double down on the kids market

Fuck competition. The rotomdex is rip off of the ghost thing

>>33075555
>lee goldson aka slugfucker
no thanks

>>33075598
SM are literally the best first games in the series though, this is blatant zelda cycle and gen 8 you'll see people saying that SM were amazing games and now the CURRENT games are the worst ever.

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>>33075612
Once people find a new game to shit on, you're still gonna see people remembering SM mostly for the abundance of unskippable interruptions and how it wasn't even your game, it was Lillie's, and SHE NEVER EVEN DID ANYTHING EXCEPT CHANGE HER CLOTHES AND GROW A PAIR AGAINST HER MOTHER.

>>33073695
>vp
>descend in quality
Lolwut

>>33073695
Too bad BW2 was a huge disappointed as its whole gen despite the hype.

>>33075612
Nah sun and moon are just shit games

There is no cycle

>>33075628
>literally can't handle a game that doesn't suck his dick the entire time
Lillie is an infinitely better character than N and his autism but /vp/ has a huge boner for Gen 5 despite it having all of the same problems that they accuse SM of.
>excessive cutscenes and handholding
>free healing on every route
>extreme linearity and abundant roadblocks

>>33075644
Nowadays you have people unironically praising XY as amazing games, the cycle is real.

>>33075598
and people believed competion is the solution lmao

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>>33073695
>he finally realizes

>>33075654
Nobody I seen here praise x and y as amazing games. Don't make up shit to fit your narrative that doesn't exit.

>>33075654
I'm not asking for a game that sucks my dick 24/7, I'm asking for a game where I at least have SOME involvement beyond "I don't have a Pokemon so please fight everything for me :)" and when that's not happening I'm just standing there doing fuck all until I'm needed as a Battle Bitch again.

>>33075660
Only thing that would make game freak try is if the games flopped

its dead on the inside, yea.
but it's still a highly profitable franchise when you consider all the markets its has.
its already happening, but pikachu will just become a small fashion icon accessory like hello kitty

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>>33075690
>implying that won't make them assume they didn't pander to Kanto hard enough because the slightly smaller sales on Gen 5 is exactly what led to XY and SM pandering out the ass

>>33075682
Then you haven't been reading threads lately, I've seen a ton of contrarians say that XY were unironically great games now. I guarantee you the same thing will happen next generation, I would bet money on it. /vp/ are the epitome of nostalgiafaggotry
>>33075683
Are you seriously asking for player-character development in a pokemon game? Literally no pokemon mainline game has had that, any plot that the games have had have always been focused on secondary characters. SM still sucks the player's dick, you become the region's first champion and cuck Hau

>>33075699
Pikachu never was big like hello kitty

is 2ch really negative about SM?

>>33075725
Yes because has dark themes and no gyms

>>33075716
Regardless, Pikachu's THE most recognizable character in the whole fucking world, surpassing Mario.
Sooner or later they're gonna realize they need to crank out merch that isn't limited to "Pikachu wearing a Skinned Pokemon" to profit on it.

>>33075716
give it time man. Soon no one will remember pokemon like it is and they'll only know pikachu because its cute

>>33075738
>Pikachu's THE most recognizable character in the whole fucking world, surpassing Mario.
>Mario
Nice bait

>>33075735
Trials are a huge improvement over gyms

Lemme ask you a hypomathetical:
USUM comes out, people say it's slightly better than SM, has a little more content, a few edgier themes and new legendary/alolan forms/megas. Then a friend asks you "are you gonna get the other version so we can play together?"
Would you tell him / her no?

>>33075773
If you like it being more simple and yo-kai watch style

>>33075774
>Then a friend
Dropped.

>>33075785
Trials are more difficult than gyms ever were, give me one difficult gym battle

>>33075789
Give me one difficult trial battle

>>33075774
probably no
i didn't even finish all of moon out of boredom

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>>33075725
Yeah they have a thread talking about all the problems with game. The thread has been 42 times because each time they reach there limit of replies and new one lol

>>33073695
Good, So manchildren pokefaggots can search a better life

>>33075795
Totem Wishiwashi and Totem Lurantis can fuck you up, especially if you don't know that something like a power herb solar blade is coming. Totem pokemon actually utilize smart combinations and put you at a numbers disadvantage.

>>33075787
>>33075799
Yall just don't have the 'tism.

>>33075774
I cut ties with my only friend who played pokemon, so no.

Oh look it's this thread again

>>33075831
Smells like a story to me anon. Why him?

>>33074094
Apologist

>>33075851
Her actually.
She left my brother for one of my friend and was a bitch about it.

>>33073923
>Breath of the wild
>Blunder
Take your (you) and go back to >>>/v/eddit

>>33074810
To sell Switches you dumb cunt

>>33075690
It happened already with Gen 5 being a flop, yet they made XY and ORAS after.

>>33076366
Black and white sold 15 million. Copies that's not flop.

8-9 million be flop

>>33076466
Still 8 million is not a flop

>>33076536
It's a flop if Nintendo sets an expectation at the Nintendo investor meetings in march

>>33075654
>Nowadays you have people unironically praising XY as amazing games, the cycle is real.
No you don't.

>>33073695
The main issue I have with the game is that there's not enough Alola mons in the wild, instead we get a shit ton of old mons scattered around, making the game feel like it's nothing new.

>>33076765
There's Alola Pokemon, it's just that for some asinine reason most of the interesting ones are hidden away behind SOS Encounters, Fishing or general 1% Encounter Rates.
It also doesn't help the same few Pokemon (Zubat Line, Wingull Line, Alolan Diglett, Yungoos and Pikipek Lines) are in every single route from start to finish.

First off your wrong
Second off, there is barely any new gen hype season going on right now
Third, SM outsold bw easily

>>33075789
Whitney, Clair. You know the two bitches /vep/ literally can't stop complaining about whneever Johto and difficulty are mentioned.

I've heard people had a bit of issues with Fantina in Platinum as you can't get a reliable dark type at that point in the game, and she doesn't get completely walled by normal types like Morty.

I personally never had trouble with Lenora, but stab take down that early as well as a Watchog that seemingly has a 90% accurate Hypnosis, and comes barreling otu with a 140 STAB move when it switches in, I can see a bit of an issue with it.

Also there's Tate and Liza in Emerald. Who knew what two extra pokemon the difference would make. Even with dark types, they do put up a nice fight and actually make you think.

>>33075605

Slugfucker is dead

>>33076545
Considering that Nintendo was absolutely ecstatic when Fire Emblem Awakening sold 2 million copies worldwide, I very much doubt that doubt 15 million copies is a flop in any sense of the word. Fire Emblem most likely also has a higher budget considering it has voice acting, better graphics and more dialogue. Of course Nintendo would LIKE to have more copies sold, but Pokemon is in the state where it's impossible to flop unless they do something extremely drastic, as in a hard reboot of the franchise with no connectivity with any of the previous entries.

>>33076996
Nintendo has forecasted 6 million 3ds/2DS sold in its annual briefing march 2017 to march 2018

Pokemon usm is its main game this year if it disappoints in sales which results in people not buying the 3ds and 2ds

It's definitely will be considered a disappointment and flop.

Pokemon is 2nd party heavy hitter system seller

Fire emblem is not

>>33077014
It's gonna sell 5-8 million sales like every "super turbo" edition sells. Its still not going to be a flop.

>>33076773
>>33077040
>>33076928
>>33076949
>>33076795
>le numelgon
slugfucker confirmed
>>33076960
s he's not dead

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this thread will flop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6h0cY_gR3g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewkYUF3Iucw

>>33076952
>Whitney
Just catch a Gastly in Sprout Tower, or get a Geodude, or get the trade Machop.or the trade Onix and Miltank can't do shit.
>Clair
Gyarados is easy shit, and Kingdra is hard to hit super-effectively but there's not much it hits super effectively in turn
>Fantina
Drifblim is shit and Mismagius is frail as fuck
>Lenora
Just sack your weakest pokemon to Retaliate and then beat down Watchog, as a pokemon it has shit stats.
>Tate and Liza
Even with two extra pokemon, with Solrock and Lunatone weak to Surf they pretty much only have two pokemon, and both Xatu and Claydol are weak to Blizzard which is easily obtainable and learnable by pretty much any water type.

>>33073695
>>33073740
If you're gonna bait, don't just instantly BTFO yourself. Holy shit. Reminder that anti-SMfags are autistic redditors killing this board. Reminder that they have a discord where they plan out raids and SM shitposting threads.

>>33073695
S&M really made me not want to play um us even if they put in walking pokemon like hg ss
I think I was spoiled with black and white and their sequels
Nothing has come close to that perfection other than hgss but the battles are too slow for me to place them at the top.

>>33079150
>>Whitney
easier method: use a rage totodile/croconaw

>>33081051
so, lee goldson confirmed slugfucker.

>>33073695
>Get Moon this for my birthday
>Sweet looks fun
>Ultra Sun/Moon announced the next day

Gee wonder why I am not hyped for a sequel before I've had a chance to play the 1st one properly

>>33073695
It's because GF won't streamline competitive play. Here are a couple of ideas that will make playing the cart actually enjoyable.

>Make doubles part of the story like they did with Colosseum/GoD.

Doubles are where most Pokemon/strategies truly shine.

>Get rid of the requirement for breeding in order to have desired natures/IV's

Nobody wants to play a hatching simulator just to have a specific IV on 1 pokemon out of the hundreds we have available

>Balance out so many shitmons
I don't think Bellossom should be in Ubers but how hard could it be to make an Alolan form with the Dancer Ability and a cool typing like Grass/Fire. It would have a niche instead of being stuck as a shitmon for eternity.

>Bring back rental Pokemon

This feature is fun and would also allow kids to try out new pokemon before they invest time into breeding/EV training if GF decides to keep the old breeding mechanics. S/M has QR rentals but you have to go out of your way when they could have just implemented it as Post-E4 content

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>>33073695
As someone who hated SM from the start and still thinks it's the second worst Gen after 6, nothing is going to kill Pokémon any time soon. It's going to go on long after the games lose every last shred of quality. They could release a game with zero gameplay where you just walk around with [new shitty waifu] and it would still sell more than ten million copies.

>>33082927
Just like CoD, Assassin's Creed, Guitar Hero, and Metroid right?

>>33082971
>Metroid
That shit is pretty dead though

>>33082971
What does Metroid have to do with anything? Metroid is a niche series that got shafted hard by Nintendo until some unknown time last year when they started producing games for it again like Samus Returns.

>>33082971
Nintendo just refuses to make Metroid games. You can't kill a series that has lost its will to live to begin with.

>>33076952
Flannery can be a real pain in RSE if you happen to get unlucky with having a team of male Pokemon. Plus STAB Overheat hurts if you don't have any special walls to eat it.

Juan in Emerald has an annoying strategy with his Kingdra. Double Team spam for weeks. Elesa is also annoying with her Volt Switching Emolgas.

And of course, Sabrina in RBY because Psychic was essentially broken back then.

>>33083025
>>33082987
Da fuq, you guys been living under a rock or something? We got a Metroid game coming for the 3DS in September, and Prime 4 was teased at E3

>>33083406
>Da fuq
die

>>33082971
The first three? Definitely. Not really sure why you listed Metroid, though.

Sun & Moon fucking sucked, worst games in the franchise

>>33083802
>le madame muplodocus
just stop this fucking ruse already.

>>33083904
>announcing false reports even is ironic
something slugfugg

Wow there are a lot of angry shills here. S/M are bad games which killed any hype for the next games. Get over it. Hopefully gen 8 will be decent but I'm not holding my breath.

>>33083967
>le madame numelgon
i can smell plebbit right now

>>33083967
That was my first post in this whole thread. Sorry to burst your bubble kid.

Sun and Moon are awful games.

>>33083951
>Shitch game
>decent
Pick one

Shit and Poo killed off this franchise for good. Literally the Metroid Other M of Pokemon.

>>33083967
Except nothing that Barneyfag said about Shit and Poo were ever wrong. More people are beginning to see it as the blatant Sonic 06 tier scam that it is.

>>33084152

Sonic 06 is literally an incomplete mess that doesn't work and was shat out for the franchise's 15 anniversary, Sun/Moon are finished games.

>>33084190
>Sonic 06 is literally an incomplete mess that doesn't work and was shat out for the franchise's 15 anniversary
>Sun and Moon wasn't an incomplete mess shat out for the franchise's 20 anniverssary
Really makes me think

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>le Metroid strawman

Metroid has always had long droughts between releases.

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>>33073695
At least you said "USM" instead of "USUM"

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>>33084190
>Sun/Moon are finished games
>literally cut out content to shit out the games as fast as possible
>framerate sets the 3DS on fire
Thanks for beta-testing Shit and Poo, cucks. Remember, you do it for FREE :^)

>>33073805
>>33073788
Why aren't they focusing on their old fans instead of pandering to Yokai Watch kids?

Even in BW, most of the playerbase was 20-somethings

>>33084253
Because Yokai Watch is BTFO'ing the dying carcass of a franchise that's Nu-Pokemon and the only way to compete with it is to ape a superior franchise.

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>>33084260

Yo-Kai Shit is dead, senpai

Its anime doesn't even make it into the top 10 anymore, while Curious George does.

>>33084152
>>33084156
>slugfucker
end this ruse

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>>33084243
>>33084254
not card destruction but with this cannot summon anymore

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>>33073695
Oh look, it's that guy again.

>>33084254
>>33084243
>>33084298
Remember the entirety of 4chan is against you if you try to jihad people shitting on Shit and Poo. Everyone on this board agreed the series is dead.

>>33084307
Apologist.

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>>33084311
>"If he doesn't agree with my opinion, then he's on the opposing side. That means my opinion MUST be right!"

>>33073695
If Pokemon survive the atrocities that were gen 5, it can survive anything.

>>33084330

Gen 5 was good and met with praise from fans and critics alike though

>>33073695
How could SM kill Pokemon when every gen 4 and 5 game was worse than SM?

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The idiot who drew this crap killed the franchise since 2012

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>>33084330
>>33084351
I can't fathom how anyone would like the two most content-starved generations and hate the two most content-filled generations. I feel like some people only played DP in Gen 4 and based everything on that, and only played part of BW but quit because they didn't like the "only new Pokémon" gimmick and never gave BW2 a shot.

>>33079150
>Totem Gumshoos/Raticate
Lol Brick Break
>Totem Wishiwashi
Personally swept with Pluck Trumbeak after a single X Attack; otherwise use any grass or electric Pokemon that survives Water Gun
>Totem Salazzle
Lol Hydro Vortex
>Totem Lurantis
Lol Ribombee or Inferno Overdrive in Sun
>Totem Vikavolt
Lol it's fucking Vikavolt
>Totem Mimikyu
Teach the Sleep Talk TM you just got to your Pokemon, break Disguise, and fuck it up with your Z-move
>Totem Kommo-o
>Flabebe used Fairy Wind!

>>33084381
>implying fanarts can kill the franchise

I wonder if SM could serve as the "Skyward Sword" of the franchise. Well received at release but quickly forgotten about because it's another rehashing of a 20 year old formula, and eventually becomes retroactively hated for how ludicrously handholdy it is.

Hopefully that means they'll experiment a bit more with USUM or the Switch game and best case scenario we'll get the first significant update to the series like Breath of the Wild was.

Imagine a Pokémon game that instead of the same Dragon Quest inspired battle system it takes inspiration from Persona 5 and Nier (just examples of lauded modern JRPGs, I haven't played any of those), Pokémon raising takes influence from Digimon Story and Shin Megami Tensei, world design takes influence from Xenoblade and Persona, and maybe some kind of influence from Pokémon GO (which I've never played) or some western games though I don't know what western games would have relevance to Pokémon.

Of course series autists might have a fit, understandably because Pokémon has a multiplayer/competitive aspect that Zelda doesn't.

>>33084812

Those games are single-player focused, Pokemon is a multiplayer-focused series with single-player as an afterthought.

>>33084812
Skyward Sword sold 3.5 million

Pokemon sun and moon sold 15.5 million in 6 months

>>33084253
Because for a kid and merchandise focused franchise like Pokémon, having an older playerbase is a death sentence.

Older players have a higher expectation of quality, which means that you have to spend more making the game, are more likely to resell the game quickly after beating the main quest, are more likely to have their attention diverted by the next AAA release, lead to stagnation of the user base instead of growth, and most importantly don't buy toys and merchandise.

Nintendo games are fairly lucky in that they come with a built-in large fanbase but they can't always support your game on their own, see: Wii U which was bought almost exclusively by older Nintendo fans.

>>33073695
Good, fuck Gamefreak. All they do is hold Pokemon back due to incompetence and laziness. Pokemon has not evolved past Gen 2, all they've done is brought it into 3D. Barely. If Pokemon was in the hands of a more competent and passionate developers, we could have had a true AAA full open world massive Pokemon game on home consoles with hours upon hours of content, feature rich multiplayer, sidequests, etc. You name it. We could have had this years ago. Just look at all the successful western multiplayer games out right now.

But no. We get the unpolished and unfinished garbage that were X/Y. Jesus, they practically had Zygarde retconned for god knows what fucking reason. Z never happened, and it sure seemed like it was supposed to. It could have at least fixed the damn mess X and Y left. Don't even get me started on the incompatible crossplay Mega evos. Why the fuck could they not patch the games? I doubt Gamefreak even knows how to patch. Or maybe they were trying to get people to just buy ORAS. Some loyalty they have with their fans. Fuck them.

Sun and Moon were basically the same shit. A laggy handholding fest with no post game content yet again. Hilarious how they fucking tried retconning Zygarde yet again in S/M.

>Dexio: Why is Zygarde here in Alola. Could it be something big is about to happen??
>collect all Zygarde cells
>nothing happens

But hey, let's buy ULTRA SUN and ULTRA MOON and maybe something relating to Zygarde will happen there! Also check out these new waifus we created and please look forward to checking out and buying the merchandise we will shamelessly shit out.

>>33084922

>AAA
>open world

Those are the two biggest cancers in the game industry right now, AAA open world games are shit

>>33084840
I highly disagree with that, the trading and multiplayer are key features that are what create the longevity of the game's sales but trading is a means to complete single player goals and the competitive battling is an afterthought if you ask me.

Still you're right that multiplayer is a key component and changing it significantly would piss a lot of people off, as I acknowledged. I don't really know what the state of multiplayer RPGs is like right now, or if there even is a competitive RPG scene.

That's kind of the biggest roadblock here, the mechanics of battling in Pokémon are central to the series whereas the mechanics of fighting monsters in Zelda has always been pretty variable.

>>33084849
You're right, that is the key difference. Pokémon's lack of relevance to hardcore gamers hasn't reflected at all on the sales of the games or of the merchandise or of the popularity of the anime.

I guess that's the advantage of having such a large kid playerbase: they don't give a shit if the games are the same year after year, or if they do they're quickly replaced by a new crop of kids anyway.

>>33084961

Hell, the old anime director flat-out said it:

http://www.pokebeach.com/2008/07/second-pokemon-interview-with-masamitsu-hidaka-many-interesting-points

>Going back to my first interview, I did not mention that he stated the show was cyclical because it could be the audience is constantly replaced (since children get older and leave, and new children come in), so they are allowed to get away with having the same repetitive goal.

Older fans leaving and being replaced is not just what they expect to happen, it's what they want on and rely on to keep raking in cash.

>>33084942
Pokemon and open world would go hand in hand flawlessly. This is assuming it would be in the hands of a talented and experienced developer, and there are plenty of them out there and I bet all of them would love the chance to get to work with pretty much the biggest name in gaming there is.

>>33073695
yes, although pokemon is dying since gen6

>>33084996
Gen 6 and gen 7 had better sales than gen 5. Which is very impressive since gen 5 was on a system that sold double that of the 3ds

>>33084996
>>33085014
It's dying in relevance to hardcore gamers, who are not the primary audience.

So it's basically like saying "Grand Theft Auto is dying because children don't like it anymore and just play shitty phone games".

>>33085063
Pokemon always been casual. So not surprising

>>33084990
>pretty much the biggest name in gaming there is

That's Mario

Watch unovabortions going full mad when USM come and are better then BW2

>>33085116
The 3ds highest sellers. Pokemon was 1,2,4 in ranking. 3 was Mario kart

And Pokemon go was way way way bigger than Super Mario run

Right now Pokemon is bigger

>>33084645
>Implying fanarts sold the rights

>>33085133
you are trying to hard man.

>>33073695
Hoenn killed the series and Sinnoh burned the corpse.

>>33085143
>And Pokemon go was way way way bigger than Super Mario run

One bad game does not mean Pokemon is bigger.
People that don't even know Nintendo know Mario, while far fewer know Pikachu.

I don't even like Mario but I can at least accept it has the largest fanbase, while ours is just more vocal.

>>33076646
>the E3 trailer
>trailer
You're retarded, m8.

>>33075713
autism

Since mods closed my thread for no reasons (but the keep going threads about poképhilia or actually pedophilia) i'll post what i said here:

I'll try to have a serious conversation with you vp. I know that this thread will be full of shitposting and people who'll gently invite me to BTFO and other nice things, but I'd like to share my feelings with you.

I have to say I'm very depressed with Pokémon at this point. Pokémon Sun and Moon were very easy games, boring (since they were full of cutscenes) and too underwhelming after the hype season.

Too few Pokémon, no new Megas, sparkling cool (for kids) bullshit like Z-Moves, bad human-looking Starters, no Gyms, very easy (and almost stupid) Trials, no National dex, ecc.

I've just bought the other version of the game (not saying if Sun or Moon, since shitposting about Sunfag or Moonfag would start), and believe me, i'm finding it so hard to continue. Too many boring and unskippable cutscenes.

And also, I feel ZERO hype for USUM.
What the fuck it's happening?! I'm 29, and i've been playing Pokémon since I was 10.
And it's not about growing up, since i still love Pokémon, but i feel kinda betrayed from Game Freak for those two games, that i don't know if I'll trust them and buy a new console for Gen 8. For the first time after 19 years.

What the hell it's happening vp? Why is GF being so delusional about Pokémon?

:(

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I'm curious about USUM, I really hope it's enjoyable and it will fix the flaws of SM.
But if it's the same boring and friendship-pandering thing, I don't think I'll run to buy a Switch.

I with they'll stop with new mechanics and just keep it simple: catching Pokémon, battling Gyms and Rivals (rivals, not friends who heals your Pokémon before and after the fight), and fill the National Dex.

>>33075612
So how come people still shit on DP and XY? And SM will remain as the worst games unless USM/gen 8 are even worse

Pokemon games have never been good.

>USM
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Good thing this will end soon

>>33088284
Ironically SM was the first Pokémon game so far to make any attempt whatsoever to address complaints about the series, in altering the gym formula and removing HMs.

But look at previous games, popular features are regularly left behind, highly requested things are ignored, the same complaints are continually ignored.

Granted part of this is because there's a complete lack of professional critique of these games, every single one is well-received with critics saying "well the formula is a bit tired but 9/10".

It's not gonna change unless sales take a drastic hit, which they're not going to because they're incredibly cheap to make and kids eat them up.

I'd we're lucky the incredible success of GO may get them to realize that people have more attachment to the brand than the actual games themselves.

>>33085133
>being mad over getting good games
You're not too bright huh

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>>33088559
>reviewers hand waved the frame rate drops in XY
>it gets even worse in SM, not a single reviewer criticize it
Honestly I think that Nintendo is paying those people to not mention obvious flaws

>>33075497
They are better than shitty XY
fuck off now :^)

>>33089175
That's like saying herpes is better than AIDS, even if you're right you don't want either unless you're that one guy from the /vg/ Overwatch threads

>>33076996
I think Nintendo had lower expectations of a niche franchise like FE, at least back then.

>>33089175
Cringe.

ITT Literally everyone is finally redpilled on the Sonic 06 atrocity that was Shit and Poo and can agree that the series is dead.

>>33097027
In your fucking dreams nostalgiafag

>>33097057
Apologist.

>>33097027
But sonic is more popular than it has been in last decade

Even Pokemon being "dead" it's still More popular 90% of ip

>>33097064
Still alive with one of the worst games of the 2010s. LUL

>>33082971
CoD is nowhere near anything that can be called a death. Same thing with AssCreed, as a new entry is coming out very soon. Metroid is getting TWO games, one coming out this year and the other one coming out late 2018 or early 2019.
The only one you're corect about is Guitar Hero, and that had way more to do with the complete oversaturation of the Instrumental rhythym genre. The games were coming out at a higher frequency than CoD was at that time.
As far as normals are concerned, Pokemon is the only one of its kind. Normals don't care about Dragon Quest Monsters, or Fossil Fighters, or Shin Megami Tensei, or Digimon, or Yokai Watch, or any other monster taming simulators.

>>33084922
>Don't even get me started on the incompatible crossplay Mega evos.
God I hated this so much. I can't afford to buy myself a copy of OR/AS back then but I thought a Slowbronite would be compatible on my XY. But no some faggot in GF decided that they can't be compatible. Honestly fuck them I'm pirating Pokemon from now on.

>>33097104
>le slugfucker
end this already

>hype for USM is non-existent
that's because we've been shown jack shit to justify hype. Give me something new, then we'll talk
Pokémon's never gonna die.

>>33098076
>Pokémon's never gonna die.
bood boy

SM belongs to a parallel world, dead forever pokémon

SM a tropical environment all the time (boring&vague), it seems a game with fillers and recycled from Orange Islands w BW2

>>33098123
This. Fuck this garbage shits.

>>33098076
Pokémon's never gonna die. LOOOOLLL
Everynoe fuck this game face it.

>>33073695
3ds was a mistake. Hopefully they get back on track once they leave it behind.

>>33084253
Kids don't know how to pirate a game.

Also kids don't complain as much as adults do.

>>33084922
You can't complain about unpolishedness and yet praise AAA open world games.

>>33084996
Say what you want about Gen 6, but that's when the series became a worldwide phenomenon again.

>>33073695
It seems to be affecting VGC as well. I'm a Premier Challenge (the lowest level of VGC tournament) organiser/judge, and in 2015/2016 most of them got 15-30 players, this year I and most of the organisers I know are struggling to reach the 8 player bar at which it gets sanctioned.

Part of that is that it's a shitty format where PCs barely give any points so half of the active players don't even bother with them though.

The last few months. The negativity I never when it comes to Pokemon from normies. It really surprising

The pokken dx cuck in direct pissed people off

No misty and brock in 20th movie anniversary pissed them

Shutting down pixelmon

This go fest garbage

Been a rough few months for the Pokemon brand. Do I think ultra sun and moon will help it? Idk actually could make it worse

>>33074027
>pretend to be a console
Honestly, its more of a hybrid. Its not pretending to be a console, it IS a console AND a handheld. Its honestly the best move nintendo has made in awhile. Just needs more games. Pokemon on the switch will be nice because its got better hardware than the 3ds so we can have bigger maps and HOPEFULLY the framerate wont drop atrociously like it did in SM/XY/ORAS.

>>33084618
Yeah, idk why people wouldn't like the gen that got rid of the Battle Frontier.

>>33084922
>Pokemon has not evolved past Gen 2
I'd like it if you could explain this. What did gen 2 add that evolved the games?

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This kills the Pokebarneyfag

>>33085116
In lifetime sales, yes, but I'd wager that Mario games universally sell worse than Pokemon games right now.

>>33100773
I think when people say cut scenes. They mean the hand holding and heavy dialogues scenes

>>33100385
Just don't try and fight it bro the series literally cant recover from this. Its dead. just let this cuck die like bitch

>>33084922
>we could have had a true AAA full open world massive Pokemon game on home consoles with hours upon hours of content, feature rich multiplayer, sidequests, etc.
As if the kids would want to play that borefest

>>33098147
YES!!!!!Agree with this, This games are suck!! Why people are like them ?

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>>33100385
>pixelmon

>>33080993
>Reminder that they have a discord where they plan out raids and SM shitposting threads.
Is this true? They are practically in every thread, so I somehow doubt it.

>>33100385
The only people who've heard of half of that and actually feel that way are fans who are in too deep to ever quit the series at this point.

>>33080993
Kis apologists. Theres no raid, your just baby

>>33101004
It's more Shit and Poo shill delusion. Simple truth is everyone is seeing it for the Other M tier blunder that it is.

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stand back everyone I'm here to save pokemon

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>>33101025
>Shitch
>saving anything
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>33101023
Here we go again...

>>33101025
Save from what? Unless it somehow manages to delete /vp/ nothing will ever change.

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>>33101006
People genuinely dislike sun and moon.

This Pokemon Facebook after announcement of ultra sun and moon

People aren't stupid anymore

>>33101035
>he really thinks we even need raids to shit on Shit and Poo when everyone's doing it anyway
LUL
Nu-Pokemon is like Sonic, a dead shit series where the only fanbase left is furfag degenerates.

>>33101035
F a m, it's no use to argue with a /v/immigrant, sage and continue on.

>>33101034
>nintendobabs actually thought the shovelware mistake that is Splatoon would be successful and save the Switchtanic
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>33101046

>Facebook being a reliable indicator of anything

Ikr? Davidpoo is destroying the franchise. They had to ruin everything with their stupid animations. Fuck those guys. The franchise is shit because of tgeir bad decisions. Now I'm going to remind you of that everyday so we can boycott Davidpoo

>>33101025
I legit can't wait for when this thing kills pokemon for good.

>>33101085
Facebook is normie place

>>33101046
How does this show the dislike of SM? Learn how to make arguments kid

>>33101195
I mean ultra sun and moon. People finally figured the cheapness of 3rd versions but there plenty of comments shitting on sun and moon also

>>33073695

People are just burnt out on YET ANOTHER story heavy Pokemon game where everything is spoonfed to you and muh epic emotional storyline takes precedence over a fun post-game and exploration. There are only a few times you go off the beaten path in SM and it's almost always just a water route flooded with Tentacool to get a TM nobody wants.

As far as battling goes, the fact that the same exact faces have been the dominant species since BW2 meta says a lot about singles balance and people are just so sick of Lando and friends being permanent staples.

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>>33073695
>Over 50: 6%
Even less men more than 50 still play Pokemon?
Really?

>>33101212
>People genuinely dislike sun and moon.
>I meant ultra sun and moon
No you meant sun and moon. And you're still not showing proof. Why would I believe you when I saw nothing but praise from normies and critics?

>>33101025
>paid online
It'll be even worse than what we're getting