Pokémon Fanfiction General and Writethread

>>32972061
Fic recap:

An anon makes a story about a trainer pissing off a Manaphy enough to heart swap it with a Rattata. Violent.
https://pastebin.com/vqHpbKrr

An anon shares with us a series of short fairytale-like stories. SFW
https://pastebin.com/CkLWuvzR

Solar begins a new fic named Heaven's Slice. SFW
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12562146/1/Heavens-Slice
Updated Fics:
Solar's final chapter of Gift of the Protector Radiant Heart
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10121590/24/Gift-of-the-Protector-Radiant-Heart

Ded

Glad to see another writefag thread.

>>32973800
If we stop posting them, the terrorists win.

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Is there even a point to having these threads anymore?
They're so slow because they rely on original content, which takes time and effort, and thanks to the spam, half of this thread will be just bumps (not like it wasn't before the spamming either).
Honestly we should just give it up for now until the storm passes. I don't know about you lot, but having these threads is like putting a turtle in a NASCAR race.
Let it rest with some dignity.

>>32974022
I don't know, we've been having some good discussions lately about worldbuilding and stuff.

>>32974094
...What?
Why would you need to worldbuild a place where writers come together to post their stories?
It's a Writethread, not an RP IRC ffs

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>>32974022
Quit being a defeatist
>pic related, it's you

>>32974347
They meant discussions about how to go about worldbuilding in your writing. It has nothing to do with RP.

>>32974022
Any thread can be lost to board spam/nuke.
Quitting trying will cause people to stop supporting the thread when it is up.

You're trying to undermine a general.

>>32975047
I knew what the pic would be even before I finished reading the post, and it still made me have a good day.

>>32974347
>bothering to come knocking on the thread
>not understanding the basic terms

But yeah, this is not just an announcement thread - that would make no sense. We're about writing. All of it. Yes that includes procrastination.

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Speaking of original content...
Chapter 8 of Desolate Seas is done, not like it matters seeing as how i'm already retconning shit for when i rewrite the first few chapters.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/8071213/chapters/25652397

>>32975868
you know what they say:
procrastination makes perfection

>>32977439
i thought it was malpractice makes malperfect

Looking for decent Pokemon crossover fics. Humor-related preferred

>>32972091
>That rattata story
Well that's one way to off a trainer

I'm just gonna give this a bump.I dislike how close it is to the bottom.

Live

stay alive

keep on fighting

>>32977553
Where did you hear that one from?

>>32972061
Reminder for all authors to submit works they have done into the fic catalog. The more the merrier!

>>32972061
>TotT
As a reader, my ideal form of fear is something that is relatable, or at least fitting in the context of the character: For example, a character that has been cheated a number of times by various dark type pokemon would probably develop a fear of them itself.

This is the second part of the Sableye story, sorry it took so log. I'll be giving it one last part before I finish it since I didn't want to cram everything into one chapter.

https://pastebin.com/iJNx5NVa

>>32981731
not sure if >>32955353 is here, but he finally delivered. Do not despair

>>32980601
>that huge backlog

Is Zezin here? I want to see how he's improved his fic. I hope he didn't just scrap it and give up on writing.

Are there any fics with humans interacting with Pokemon from the Mystery Dungeon world?

>>32982294
http://archiveofourown.org/works/11323233/chapters/25345599

>>32982294
http://archiveofourown.org/works/9162976

>>32972061
Where do you guys put all your stories usually? And does that place have every story ever posted here?

>>32982740
The catalog in the OP has most of what's been posted, and where people put their stories ultimately depends on their personal preference of site. I use Ao3 just because.

>>32982740
>every story ever posted here
PRISM has copies of everything

>>32983555
>PRISM has copies of everything
Pokémon Prism novelization fanfic when?

Another bump because this is surprisingly close to the bottom

>>32983766
Forget Prism, gimme a satirical Quartz novelization

>fanfiction thread survives the purge

>>32982740
>usually?
PokéCommunity. Less usually other places.

>And does that place have every story ever posted here?
No. Nowhere does. I've spread my memes (in the sense of genes) all over the internet. I do keep a public index of where to find each and every thing I have written tho. And I've picked the more or less best of the best (like no one ever was) to add them to the Catalog.

(The Catalog is a cool thing btw. Use it. Feel ir. Add to it. Be it.)


>>32983555
>PRISM has copies of everything
And a couple originals, I'm willing to bet.

>>32983766
>Pokémon Prism novelization fanfic when?
Pokémon PRISM fanfic serial when?

>>32983874
The bottom is only page 5 because the spam is gone

What the hell is going on? I take a vacation and the board gets nuked? The things I miss...

Well during vacation, I finished up the next chapter of DS, so there's that.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12359877/7/Donker-Samenleving
https://archiveofourown.org/works/9861455/chapters/25622631

>>32983954
nightly nukes for the past few days. don't talk about it for fear of feeding his ego

>>32984332
Do it, faggot. We don't give a fuck about an autist like you.

>>32984257
Who's ego?

>>32984332
fight me nigga, i live in the hood. u o e n o

>>32984888
you mean whose, and it's bui, the kid with the fucked up internet connection

>>32985135
please write me a story i am depressed :c

>>32981731
He isn't dead! Glad you continued with it.

>>32985217
What type of story you want, fampire?

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>>32985296

>>32985341
sob

>>32985296

Sadly, I don't have the skill to write fetish stuff.
Besides, that kinda thing is more comic material.

>>32985439
rip
thank you anyway anon

>>32985296
Hi Bui

>>32985534
hi

>>32985296
To be fair, that's a pretty common type of story. You'd find tons of stuff on FurAffinity and deviantART.

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>>32972091
>tfw skipped over in the recap

>>32955738

>>32985281
No prob, any critiques so far?

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I'm very happy to see the bun is still here.

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>>32986248
Hard to really critique something so "short". I'd like to see the Sableye and trainer get to know eachother, but that just stems from me wishing for stories to go on longer in general.

I like it so far!

>>32987248
Veterans are hard to kill

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>>32985296
>furfag with a bully foot fetish

Final solution only solution. Only thing Hitler did wrong was not eradicate furfags. They even burn quicker.

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>>32987900
>>32987949
It wouldn't be so bad if he weren't a petulant, pathetic attention-whore on top of being a furry footfag into bullying people, you know?

>>32987964
No need to get your jimmies in a twist. It's not exactly something new, and it most certainly won't be gone by the time another five years passes. Pouring fuel into the engine isn't going to slow the car down, so all you gotta do is just keep on writing away.

I did make a big wall of text earlier about ToTT and my experiences with it, but it got eaten up at the very end and I refuse to type it again, so eh for content.

>>32987428
Oh, I'll keep that in mind for the next chapter then. The character I'm using in this story'll probably appear in a lot of other Alola related stories I'll write even if he isn't the protag so you might get more of that long after we're done here.

>>32988238
Do/will you have somewhere to find all of your stuff?

>>32988246
Mmm, probably not. I'm just writing to regain my enjoyment of it, improve, and give the people who request the stories what they want. I probably won't bother unless someone really wants to read all my stuff.

anti-spam

mods = gods

save our bun

>How do you handle fear in a story? What makes it believable?

I more or less handle it be showing tiny bits and pieces of it at first- for a fear of heights, simply climbing down a ladder makes an MC shake in fear and need support but doesn't cripple them completely. Later instances would be more fanciful and/or moments of drama, such as a sudden escape or a confrontation of a narrow bridge- or worse, a train trestle. If the MC is a lucky one, and depending on the plot, they'd start to get over their fear but more than likely, that's not going to happen.

I would never have a MC, or really, any character defeat their fear entirely nor do it in a sudden display of teamwork or friendship- it never really happens that way. In fact, I'd rather MCs drawn down on their fears but not completely get rid of them. Alongside, support will be there but most of the time, an MC will face whatever it is they fear: fire, heights, blood, bugs, etc. alone. I guess all this makes it believable, to some degree.

help, vpwt, i wanna write a saucy french kissing scene, but im a kissless virgin

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Any tapu Lele stories exist yet?

>>32989686
Write one!

>>32989542
I'm pretty sure there is only an extremely small subset of the human population that knows how to kiss properly, and the rest of humanity just thinks they're good at it but really isn't. Just make it up famalam. It'll probably be hotter than the real thing.

>>32989542
who isn't?

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>>32982294
>>32982322
HAAAHHG, SOMEONE ACTUALLY LINKED TO MY WORK, OUTSIDE OF THE FIC RECAP! I AM SO ELATED!!

Also Chapter Three of FC is out now: http://archiveofourown.org/works/11323233/chapters/25697985

>>32989542
It's not like you have to actually have kissed to write a good and spicy scene. Presuming most smut writers have not fucked Pokemon. Same logic. Just watch a movie scene of kissu kissu if you really need a reference.

Bop hop

>>32990225
How do I fight my slack off nature to write?

>>32996359
Get it in your head that if you don't write your ideas, no one will. They're yours and they deserve to be written.

>>32996463
>They're yours
We'll see about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzybAS7zltE

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>>32996359
>slack off is a move and not a nature
Similarly, your lack of will to write is corollary to it not being your nature, but rather your unwillingness to act when given the opportunity to do so. Indeed, to go along with the example, you may have a relaxed nature, or perhaps be of a calm disposition, but that alone does not inhibit you from writing occasionally. By spending even a measly half hour each day instead of shitposting or gaming you'll be amazed at what you are capable of accomplishing.
Then again I'm just a mememon.

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Got some editing done sooner than expected, so here's a bump with content. Anyone upset with how short last chapter was should be much better off with this one.

[The Dark Type] Chapter 18, "Guardian Angel": http://archiveofourown.org/works/9113758/chapters/25715169

>detected possible malicious code in image file
4chan knows not to trust these eyes

>>32972061
>TotT:

I use a couple simple phobias with a few characters (blood, birds), but I also work in "fear of losing control" and "fear of losing one's way of life" into TDT.

VoD I don't think has much 'fear' in it.

I usually tend to stick to /tg/ and /m/, but I saw both /v/ and /vp/ get utterly decimated with spam. I think /v/ was completely wiped out at one point. Does this happen often here?

>>32996359
Energy drink yourself, turn off all electronics, and write on a piece of paper with a pencil.

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>>32996621
>That lead-in
>That unexpected turn-around into an actually legendary response

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>>32996359
Writing consistently is basically stocks

>convinced that I'm not creative enough to come up with a good premise for a book
>work on a fic for years
>finally admit that its OC focus is unacceptable and turn it into original fiction
>my biggest project, my beloved tale, my baby
>I could publish this
>suddenly feel guilty for writing fanfiction when I could be writing something that could potentially bring me even a smidgen of income
>recent personal mini-crisis over my major has exacerbated this feeling tenfold

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>>32998686
>He thinks he can make an income off of writing

Writing is more important than money, and chances are you don't need it to survive

>>32998686
>writing
I could post the "science - engineering - liberal arts" meme but I'm gonna let you google it.

>le I have to write "original" if I want money meme
>he writing even leaves some money meme
But really, it's the 2010s. It's only radical westerner countries that don't have a fanfiction market. Of course, it won't give you as much money as writing the next 50 Shades of Grey (hah! as if!) but then again that circles us back to the original question - why are you not working in the medicine or civil engineering fields instead?

>mini-crisis over my major
Mini? Smalltime.

>>32999550
Not income, just any bit of money that could potentially take the edge off of even one month. every little bit counts when you're two people living on one's disability

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>>33000120
I've never been good at stem so I picked business, like every other piece of shit who's not smart enough for a real major. unfortunately with the way my second degree is going, I'll be graduating wicked late and will only be speaking a "business" language at a kindergarten level making me un-hire-able, something I only just realized. At this point my best bet is to beg to be someone's pretty secretary by wowing them with my textbook Access skills.

Sorry for blogging, but I've been writing every day (even my fics) so it's related. I just want to be able to pay rent in case my last family member finally dies.

>>33001363
Well, you can write for hire. Just setup a Patron or something and you can cash in, be it fanfic or licensed!fanfic or rebranded!fanfic (there is no such thing as "original").

But don't expect much from it, unless it's absolutely glorious and follows a good schedule, IMO. Or it's porn, always the sureway to go about this.

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>>33001887
I've actually never thought of writing commissioned fanfics. I figured it was illegal enough to actually be caught for it. I'll definitely keep it in mind as an option.

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>>33001929
>I figured it was illegal

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>>33002081

Some fic art.

>>33001957
>making money off of an IP owned by a legal entity other than yourself
How is this not illegal?

>>33002100
>Some fic art.
Fanart is always greatly appreciated here! Is this made by you? If so, cge and tex are quite lucky to have such a talented follower.

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>>33002100
Holy fuck my eyes went so wide I thought they were gonna fall out. I'm simultaneously immensely grateful and flattered.

>>33002117
By not getting paid directly for it, you dummy.

>>33002121

Lots of entertaining reads have been penned by dudes in these threads, just want to give back as I go through them.

>>33002171
Glad you like it.

>>33002344
You're doing great work anon. Secretly hoping you'll draw fic art for me one day.

>>33001929
>illegal
Only in radical westerner countries. The Japanese for example have an entire cultural framework of embracing the dissemination and sale of fanfiction so long as it is a sort of "homage" banner.

In westerner countries, there *is* provision to sell fanfiction legally under quite Blue Moon Tuesday tier specific circumstances, which among others include getting a written permission by the IP's holder and not making more than a certain amount that could be qualified as "profit". But going that path is anal because that's part of IANAL.

Another sensible way to go about it, and with many things on the web, is selling your work not for money, but for services. For example several software projects on the internet have donate buttons where instead of sending the devs money you online pay them a coffee or a beer, or something.

If I ever decide to fanfiction for money, I'll go meta - sell my services as a fanfiction consultant instead. That way, I am not getting "published" - unless I am requested for a treatise or something.

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>>33002081
Thank you for making these, they're very well done!

What's VV stand for? And what's with the photo theme for cge's works? It looks like the credits of Sun and Moon.

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>>33002081
The goods keep on coming!

>>33004312
>What's VV stand for?
"Visions and Vignettes" is a catch-all on AO3 for drabbles and experiments. "Lament of a Dragon Prideful" is on page 4 (http://archiveofourown.org/works/6399622/chapters/14653039), about a garchomp who decided he didn't need a trainer or a team anymore and traveled the world. It worked okay, for a while.

It was inspired by attached image which made the rounds a while back. For whatever reason reason the story came to me in poem form, with an odd rhyme pattern that's nested like Python code. It led to my try at a more regular structure in E/V's poems, but it gives some context to Fiona's backstory in C/E which mentioned that her pack had a workable strategy for dragons.

>And what's with the photo theme for cge's works?
I'm not certain but it's nifty. I think it started with an image of the Rainiers having a picnic before Nel was put into storage, which made sense in the context of it being a photograph in the album that Marianne found in the attic.

>>33002117
They're paying you to write something for them, not for (access to) the writing you produce.

>>33004635
what's this? a cge work I haven't read?

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>>33002081
Dragons. When will they learn?

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>>32972061
>TotT
Let's break it down. Fear is in its purest form, a state of mind. It's universal, and therefore can be communicated in one's writing by speaking to the mental instinct(s) we all share at some level as living creatures. This is the basic idea of instinctive fear, tied not to reason, but lack thereof. An absence of reason or inability to exercise sound judgment gives rise to emotions such as irrational fears. Fear can also be existential, pertaining to one's place in the universe. Finally fear can be natural, the fear of freezing to death, not finding shelter or the like. Often fear is tied to stress and obstacles, however that is not a comprehensive definition.

In a way this makes fear a very important, albeit intangible, member of a story's cast. Without it, the characters are incomplete. If personalities lack fears, they are difficult if not impossible to relate to. I'm a fan of splitting fears into two degrees. First, there are the personal fears. That's subjective, and the existentialism mentioned falls under that umbrella. It also includes compulsive fears. Such can come in many unique varieties, perhaps in the form of a strong revulsion to a certain species and type, or maybe a fear of heights for example. This general fear builds the character by giving them some internal adversary because, news flash, we all have those. Secondly, I build natural and primal fears. These concern the struggle to survive a harsh world amid truly bizarre creatures, while facing the paranormal and unforeseeable entities present in a fantasy world such as Pokémon.

As for what makes it believable: it is the twofold types of fear already articulated having demonstrated influence on the characters. Simply stated, it is showing their effect. The natural fear and the personal fear duet work in tandem to keep a story from becoming too stale or biographical, however the ultimate goal is to make the characters believable through their believable fears.

late bump

>>33005951
good description, this is something i've been dealing with. Especially with the rewrite of a few opening chapters.

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>>32999550
>>33000120
>>33001363
>>33001887
>>33001929
It's really fucking simple, just start acting like mr krabs in your day to day life.

What if Mew has been disguised as various people for hundreds of years, doing whatever it feels like?

What if it was, unbeknownst to them, the lover of some unwitting trainer?

>>33011113
write
it

>>33011113
On the internet, no one knows you are a Mew writing blogposts to /vpwt/

bees

>>33014112
What happens if a swarm of Beedrill find themselves involved with a Vespiquen and her combee?

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>>33013592
I was sorting through some really old files yesterday and I think I found part one to that.

>>33014112
What about 'em?

>>33016102
they're hip to something even though they don't have hips i think

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>>33011113
>implying mew isn't a total slut who uses its transformation abilities to sleep with anything that moves

>>33014112
and flowers

So, question guys (>implying). Do any of you keep around the stuff you have written since like Ye Olde Times? Or do any of you keep around unedited stuff?

>>33016637
I probably still have fanfiction I wrote for school when I was 10 and 11. I also have Ye Olde Fanfics still up on my ff account. When I was 14 I just thought my OCs were the best thing ever.

>>33016637
I don't make any special efforts to horde garbage, but I did stumble over an old backup disk that had my first, two page, try at fiction, and also my first try at a longfic that I worked for a few dozen kilowords before something pokemon interrupted its development.

>just finished six days of planning for a fucking pokemon fanfic
>want to write it
>just notice i gave the hero three fucking fire-types
>feel guilty about not doing anything that could improve my shitty life and spending this much time on the planning stages.

>>33017186
>implying Hero isn't a future gym leader.
>implying Hero can't be basically Blaine, the early years, giving you an excuse to write lots of silly riddles into the dialogue.

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>>33015826
Thanks anon. My folder had been missing it and was hoping it would eventually be posted. My current project features a Kirlia antagonist.

>>33016637
I keep my old work around for whenever I need a slice of humble pie. Although it has not escaped the editing pen, most of it is by and large unremarkable trash. My first fanfic featuring OC Adepts from Golden Sun still haunts me, though it was what got me into writing in the first place.

>>33017214
Kinda already decided he's the son of an OC gym leader in an OC region and already made over 200 fakemon for that region.

Hero rejects the EV/IV-trained Egg Move-having super-Pawniard he was given for his brithday, choosing to instead get a normal grass-type starter and go on a pokemon adventure like a normal trainer. His friend and travelling companion is a psychic training to be a future-seer (Giving her a reason to battle less and travel around with someone to do most of the battling for her).

I want to repeatedly... I don't want to say subvert or avert because TVtropes overuses these words, but I want to subvert typical fanfiction cliches. The hero plays like a competitive pokemon trainer (Though not overly jerk-ishly and his desire to be the best is treated as a good thing) and his rival is the typical super-special one with a shiny eevee. I just can't decide if I should make her a good-natured idiot that decides the hero is an asshole, or make her a massive asshole unintentionally mistreating her pokemon by doing typical "Nice trainer" shit like taking in an abused pokemon and making it battle instead of giving it to a care home.

Also not sure what personality to give the seer in training.

>>33017335
>Six days of planning
>200 fakemon
>you're still struggling with the most fundamental aspects of your characters' characters

I'm not fit to criticize taking too damn long to finish something, but I suspect that you've been applying your efforts inefficiently.

Clear your mind, write a scene involving Hero, Psychic, and Rival, and just let something happen. That'll give you a stronger grasp on these characters than will another 100 hours in MS Paint drawing their fakemons.

>>33017282
No problem, it was a lucky coincidence.

>My current project features a Kirlia antagonist.

Got a link, or is it not finished yet?

>>33017422
>you've been applying your efforts inefficiently
You're right. I don't know how far to take the "He wants to be himself, not a gym leader's son" without making him seem like a spoilt brat throwing his toys out of the pram and saying he's cooler for not having them. I also don't know if "Everything wrong with the cliche fanfiction hero personified" will make a better villain than "Everything the hero is and tells himself he's not", but I think I'll make them BOTH his rivals. He'll have one of each.

Now, for the character... He's a driven guy that wants to win. Should I make his travelling buddy the opposite of that, or keep the "Quiet and serious and emotionless unless shit gets real" personality I've been going with until now?

>>33017519
>Now, for the character... He's a driven guy that wants to win. Should I make his travelling buddy the opposite of that, or keep the "Quiet and serious and emotionless unless shit gets real" personality I've been going with until now?
Take a step back from making this decision, and look to see if it was already made for you.

>He's a driven guy that wants to win
If you mean your protagonist, who left behind the purpose-bred pokemon intended for him, then why did he refuse that tool to accomplish his drive? Someone who is driven by a desire to win would accept any means by which he could. You need to square that circle somehow.

>"Quiet and serious and emotionless unless shit gets real" personality I've been going with until now
Is there something driving this personality, or does it just exist in a vacuum? Hint: no character trait ever exists in a vacuum. WHY does she feel a need to suppress her emotions? Maybe her psychic talent lies in being an empath, but she hates the emotional effects she creates, and hope to force-train herself to be a precog instead. Or perhaps something happened in her backstory to force her emotions away from her, something that can only be overcome in high intensity situations when "shit gets real"?

Balancing personality and history is a very complex act that requires precise knowledge on how these two aspects have influenced each other throughout a character's development. You write for your audience a story starting at the first critical point of the current plot, but there are other stories before that, shaping your characters to be who they are now. Stories unwritten, sure, but stories nonetheless. For BSTF I could have written two different prequels, each about Alata and Michael's backstories, but I didn't choose to. I knew there was a story in Sierra's background when I created her for a future work, and that story I DID decide to write, and delivered WIAM. Keep these background stories in mind as you write 'real' ones.

>>33017487
Posted the prologue in the last thread, https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12562146/1/Heavens-Slice
It's not anywhere near being finished, or even out of the introductory gate for that matter, but I can assure it will reach completion. Have eight chapters to edit while also figuring out a cover design. Will do my best to update regularly with the threads, however the rest of July is unfortunately a busy time.

>>33015019
https://youtube.com/watch?v=K6m40W1s0Wc
bees=combee
hornet=beedrill

>>33017519
>He's a driven guy that wants to win.
>>33017649
>why did he refuse that tool to accomplish his drive?
He wants to win but only On His Own Terms. And apparently his own terms excludes being given a starter any better than Professor's Random Lot, and the Grass type, to boot.

>Should I make his travelling buddy the opposite of that, or keep the "Quiet and serious and emotionless unless shit gets real" personality I've been going with until now?
Wrong thinking. You're writing "somebody to keep Mary Sue company," which is forcing the matter. Reverse it: What kind of character would be interested in walking beside this fussy Got Something To Prove kid? How does Mary Sue help Companion achieve her goals (intentionally or not)? If there's no chemistry, you've got nothing.

>>33017997
>He wants to win but only On His Own Terms.
If the goal is qualified, then another goal is taking precedence. The qualifier represents this goal stepping down in favor of another where the two intersect.

Anon: Describe that other goal thus hinted at, and realize what impact it would have on the character as well. For example, the other goal could be to refute his parent's way of life, or to prove a particular point. Based on your post here >>33017335 it sounds like he has a specific definition of what being a "normal trainer" means. Whether this is another hint at this greater goal, or the core of it, would mean different things for his characterization.

>>33018051
>If the goal is qualified, then another goal is taking precedence.
It's qualified by a value judgment, that success has value only if it is performed according to a particular code of conduct. You could extract that as a presiding goal to be perceived as chivalrous by that code, but that isn't a goal per se since you can't accomplish it, only maintain it.

>>33017934
>https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12562146/1/Heavens-Slice
>Prologue is completely untagged Voices In The Dark.
>Using "" scare quotes inside "" dialog quotes.
I would come off as somebody less gentle, kind, considerate, and comforting than you all know me to be if I expressed my thoughts on this, so I won't.

>>33018106
>but that isn't a goal per se since you can't accomplish it, only maintain it
I could argue that the goal would be parsed as "Complete XYZ (or perhaps even simply 'live') according to the given value", and would be accomplished or failed at the time such a term is complete.
I could argue that, but I'm not sure I would; you're right in that there is some delineation between the two categories of trait.

>>33018106
I will remedy those issues. My goal is to make the work better. When FFN reviewers do not actually review flaws it is challenging to know what needs work. Thanks for your candor in pointing out where to begin my revisions, cge.

>>33018139
The trick is that Mary Sue's satisfaction requires both the goal and the condition to prove together. Without the goal, the condition is no comfort; without the condition, the goal is without value.

But that all is a matter of Mary Sue's character development, which I'm not clear on/certain of, given the focus on what Mary Sue is instead of the why Mary Sue shall become.

>>33018195
It is hard to find good help these days.

Anyway, the prologue should probably be a full scene instead of stripped dialogue. You've got a lot of personality traits in the speech but by evading any visualization, it feels more like the reader is sitting alone in a cafeteria overhearing a lot of chatter when it probably should make the reader feel like somebody watching the security camera feeds.

>>33018269
>Without the goal, the condition is no comfort
Debatable; a common (and somewhat trite, depending on the circumstance) development is that a character would rather fail than succeed outside prescribed boundaries. This would represent a case where the ongoing-conditional goal takes precedence over the task-completion goal, and can be completed despite failing the initial aim. The character may not be satisfied, because you're right in that the character hopes to achieve both goals and only one was. But the character might find comfort in that the code was upheld, as any character in such a situation might appreciate that one goal was accomplished despite failing another.

Again, deciding which of these goals is more important to the character, and how the character would see those two goals interacting, is key to figuring out how the character might react in such a situation.

>>33018305
That the character could ultimately be satisfied with failing, realizing it was the best he could do without violating the code is a trope and one that's been well applied, but again, that's a character development arc; a shift from "wants to win but only on his own terms" to "wants to win but only virtuously". Anon's concern is not the development but the introduction/first-impression of Hero, and yours is how "wants to win" conflicts with rejecting an ace starter.

If anything, what needs to be clarified is if "wants to win" is a personal desire or a means to an end of proving himself virtuous (hence the code) or capable (rejecting support) or praiseworthy ("he can do it even taking the Grass-type starter"); it's highly relevant to Companions reason to accompany and how that relationship may develop.

>>33017986
jesus i havent seen that natgeo logo in a while

I challenge you to find a story edgier than this

https://fanfiction.net/s/12493689/1/Origins-of-Obsession

>>33018305
Hero's going to be ok with loosening his grip on his code, but only when really needed. He isn't Batman. He wants to be the best trainer in the world and end the Pokemon League's harsh economic sanctions on his country, but how he gets there is up to him. "Do it all by myself, without the aid of anything designed to benefit rich people like myself" is a side goal because his country has a lot of those and many detractors say the country shouldn't have those.

>>33018762

Absolute brutality

>>33017986
And yet Combee can't learn Overheat

>>33019260
Not alone. Or athree. It takes a group effort, greater than the six a trainer's allowed to carry, so there's no sense in designing a compatible TM.

Boosting party size from 6 to 12 because I want to show off more OC pokemon and their competitive power: Worth doing?

>>33019510
It's too hard to handle.

>>33019510
You're in danger of spreading yourself thin even if you do the traditional 6 (I know I have those troubles from time to time)

Upping that to 12, and the fact that they're OC pokemon, means you'd have to work exceptionally hard to make sure the readers knew them all well enough to distinguish one from another.

That's one of the benefits of doing fanfiction; readers are coming in with a baseline of information that you don't need to spend time and effort explaining. If I wrote "Eevee", readers would instantly know what kind of creature I'm talking about. I don't need to explain what an Eevee is, what it looks like, various other things about them.

With your OC pokemon angle, you have your work cut out for you. Readers won't know what these creatures are unless you describe them well enough to be memorable.

I can't say for sure whether or not it'd be 'worth' doing or not, but I'd say even with sticking to the 802 canon monsters we already have, going above 6 for 1 trainer is risky.

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>>33019510
The consensus in the past has been that less is better when it comes to team size. It becomes difficult to manage screen time and personalities with too many, a problem which grows out of control when other trainer's with their own teams come into the picture. If they're just colorful bundles of combat statistics it's probably okay though.

>>33019510
>I want to show off more OC pokemon
Problem isolated.

Why do you want to show off OC pokemon? How does that enhance the delivery of your story's message? Each one needs to be offering some sort of payoff to be worth the readers' time. Blasting your readers with the fakemon firehose is not likely a welcoming gesture.

Pick one, or one per star/co-star, and make them important to the story such that no other pokemon could precisely fill their roles. A few more as background critters or one-scene wonders will be okay, but make it clear to your readers that there are more that they aren't yet seeing, but will be interesting when they do someday (somestory) appear.

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>tfw fresh creative ideas are a late at night exclusive
Spend all day thinking about what I'm going to write and then have new ideas once I finally get to it.
Suffering. Except not really since it could be worse I could be producing no content.

>>33022850
Don't worry so much about where and when inspiration strikes.

Just don't let it go to waste

>>33022862
True enough. I won't let it go to waste.

>>33022850
Pen and paper by the nightstand, just like the grandmasters. If you want more hi-tech and instantaneous, so the idea doesn't face away while you are prepping to note down, then I suggest an audio recorder. Heck, your own 2000s/2010s phone will suffice.

>>33022862
Also this.

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>>33024378
That's not a bad idea. I'll give it a shot.
On a slightly related note, have any of you made your OCs writers? Not simply for a meta perspective, but to develop their characteristics. I was considering doing that in a way where the MC keeps a blog online which eventually becomes an important element of the plot in later chapters.

>>33024799
>have any of you made your OCs writers?
>MC keeps a blog online which eventually becomes an important element of the plot in later chapters.
I once wrote a character's diary as the bulk of a story. Does that count?

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>>33017335
>rejecting pawniard
them's fightin words in this here general

>>33024933
The last thing a pawniard/bisharp wants to hear are Fighting-type words.

>>33024915
Certainly does. Did you find it challenging to write in terms of narration? Any advice on how to make it come across as naturally interesting and engaging to read? Besides writing the character's thought processes in a sort of real-time reflection process I'm stumped as to how this will improve the characteristics of the writer in question - who might as well be having a full conversation with another person until the time comes to make the journal relevant in the plot. So far have only referenced the blog rather than dictate its various entries.

>>33025200
>Did you find it challenging to write
Because Waterlogged is (excepting a short epilogue) entirely diary entries, the narration isn't from a narrator but from the protagonist in-voice. I found it quite natural because I didn't have to think about how my narrator voice needs to worry about "director things" like shooting angles, detail levels, establishing props, etc. It was simply envisioning events and then stepping into Magnus, letting him describe what he experienced, through how he feels about it at the time of writing.

>I'm stumped as to how this will improve the characteristics of the writer … who might as well be having a full conversation with another
It expresses different characteristics of the writer than would be expressed in conversation. E.g., one of Waterlogged's diary entries is one word long, yet it says more than any other number of words would. That wouldn't happen easily in a conversation with somebody, but it takes all of the emotion of the previous entry and of how the character(s) reacted to the event between those two entries and packs it so densely that squeezing it any tighter would make a black hole. Theodore Roosevelt went that tight, once.

What's the difference? Were it being told wholly after the fact, both entries would be known and the latter would color the former. But as a diary, the latter is unknown when the former is written, so you can portray enormous swings from extreme high to low or from extreme low to high expectation to reality across a single slug line, which is difficult in normal narration and retrospective in-character recollection.

>So far[, I] have only referenced the blog[, never] dictate[d] its various entries.
Switching between narration and entries is not unworkable but you need a pattern. E.g., an entry at the end of each chapter, ultimately building the diary throughout till it matters. A pattern makes it comfortable for the reader, and makes necessary referring-back easier.

>>33018762
your url is fucked

>>33020214
cge you keep talking about stories having messages and I still think it's total bullshit

>>33025649
Just go to Fanfiction.net and look it up under Pokemon

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>>33025664
Lo, impasse.

>>33025649
>>33025682
I think it's the security certificate not agreeing with the lack of www. Add the www. or remove the https's s and perhaps it will go through.

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>>33025378
Thorough reply, it has given me a lot to think about. I'll check out the fic you wrote to get a better idea of putting together a series of character diaries by seeing it done in practice.

>>33025664
A dirt-simple message that most people would agree with is still a message. An author would have to go out of his way to avoid having any message in his work at all.
I know there's this trend that started earlier this decade that it's forbidden on 4chan and similar contexts to think about fiction beyond surface-level for fear of catching a terminal case of leftism, but you can in fact open your eyes and use your head without letting the red devil into your heart.

>>33025732
>I'll check out the fic you wrote
http://archiveofourown.org/works/6399277
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7454408/1/Waterlogged

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>>33025758
>implying i don't sympathize with the reds
i write a lot of asian bitches, not exactly "muh red devil" but it's as red as it's gonna get

Let's see if I can suss out whatever pretentious messages lie in my fics:

>rely on yoself and your mons because humans are out for themselves
>codependence is the unhealthy self-medicating home people seek out in this cold world
>blood relations ain't shit, make yourself a frankenstein family and uphold it at all cost

oh wow don't I just sound like an emo 14 year old

>>33025974
>dose messages
ayyyyyyyyyyn rando

Also el bumpeo de la página nueve porque no voy a estar durante el resto de la tarde.

>>33025974
At least you bundle it plesantly.
The blood of battle is thicker than the water of the womb.

>>33025831
Speaking of that, I read that last night and really enjoyed it. I wasn't sure what to expect as I read the earlier entries, but it definitely surprised me with how well the story was told through a diary format.

>>33027612
I wasn't sure what to expect as I wrote the earlier entries. But once I got into a rhythm, I was able to exploit some kismet.

Live on

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Here's another late-night bump with content.

[Vines of Deceit] Chapter 8, "The Calm": http://archiveofourown.org/works/9294437/chapters/25822821

Tapu Bumpu

>>33029619
that's her beach outfit
slow turtle isn't laying eggs
no cooler or towels

what has this world come to?

>>33032428
She heard that sweating promotes good health

>>33033721
get healthy fic when?

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The world is a fine place and worth fighting for. I agree with the second part.
>movie lines that make you want to write something awesome

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Good latias fanfics?

>>33034864
>i recommend moving to a rural area, where the rule of law still exists, cause this is a land of wolves, and you're no wolf.

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>AO3 doesn't have pms yet
>"oh no don't worry guys we'll patch it in"
>message from 2014

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>>33037591
I will never not be mad

>>33037591
they need much more donations before they can afford a way to let somebody write a letter to somebody on their websight

>>33036611
I made a Latias fanfic, but I'll leave it up to you whether or not it's good
http://archiveofourown.org/works/7944409

>>33037591
It's just a sense of incompleteness. A PM system would have AO3 storing a bunch of chatter that isn't relevant to their mission of providing a story archive. If somebody has something to say about your writing, they can comment on the story, and anything else, do it over FFN. Everybody's on both, and it ain't broken so why fix it?

>being sent a message by someone
>what sorcery is this?

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>>33038346
My fucking calculator has a messaging system these days, friendo.

Any place with users should have one. It's near 4chan levels of "early 2000s webpage """""aesthetic"""""".

>>33038551
>users
*usernames

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Every time I visit /lit/ I am thoroughly disappointed. Thanks for being inhabited by real people and not autistic caricatures, /vpwt/. Well there are at least far fewer caricatures here than there.

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>>33038584
I hate /lit/ so much. It's like a board filled with people that rolled their eyes at literally anything literature related that they ever learned at an academic institution.

>>33038599
I understand why 90% of the board is philosophy, but it seems like they filter any discussion of fiction that isn't C&P, Catcher in the Rye, or Dream of the Red Chamber. What if I just wanna shoot the shit about a certain novel I read that is no masterpiece but could have had good elements? It just feels like they're not interested in any discussion outside of an extremely niche corner of "muh patrician literature". /jp/ of all places is loads more approachable than /lit/.

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>>33038584
>>33038599
>>33038688
Thought I was the only one. You're more likely to get a derail on communism or some other form of government than any discussion of, y'know...novels that just came out.

It's not even a "quality" elitism like /a/ either, just all philosophy talk or it gets /404/. Sometimes you just want to talk about a dumb teen book you just read or say, "hey, remember those books you read as a child?"

Such a waste.

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>>33038991
>It's not even a "quality" elitism like /a/
>/a/
>quality in any shape or form

O I am laffin

Bop

>>33038991
I know plenty of normal readers browse the board, because quite a few of them post in /crit/. But you won't find any discussion of books that aren't "hard to read and therefore better than your favs."

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Do any of you anons get creative with naming the main Pokemon in your fics? Is there a certain theme you use for various trainer types or original characters?
While in the games there's a prompt to nickname a Pokemon at capture, I find in writing it's more natural to happen over time or after a significant event. As for hatching, I suppose that makes more sense to name upon birth.

>>33040983
I usually name my pokemon mythological names or just people names. Not just god/godess names either, sometimes I use creature names or mortal's names.

>>33040983
>get creative with naming the main Pokemon
By majority, my pokemon characters have names not unlike what a human would be given, or at least given as a nickname. To borrow an accusation levied against me, that in my writing I am "pushing an agenda," I decided that my region would uphold a certain cultural standard, which includes a reluctance to forever brand a pokemon partner with an original name record akin to "420BLAZEIT", "DICKS", or "Cofagrigus".

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>>33041305
That's really cool to use mythology anon. I have this one character who names them after elementals, another calls them famous characters from fairy tales. Sort of a hodgepodge of preferences and conventions in that regard. Then there's the jaded main, who bitterly refuses to grow attached to them by not giving personal names.

>>33041387
Yeah, I can see that being the norm as well. What's in a nickname could also be something such as what you might call a close friend, "buddy" or "pal". As for derogatory names like you mentioned or Abra the Retard, I concur with your regional rules. However I take a slightly more cynical view: some trainers might still call their Pokemon really mean or abusive things in private, just not on the official certificate of birth or when entering a league-ordained battle.

>>33040983
Call me a filthy pleb but I generally find myself using the nicknames I give my own pokemon in the games. At least until I finally caved and changed them all to be much more like the kinds of fluffy syllable-based nicks a 10 year old would give their pets. Basically, I try to make the nicknames make sense based on the mon's environment (ex. a purrloin living in a downtown area and acquainted with the local shopkeepers ends up nicknamed by one of them, maybe "Rascal" after its behavior)

>>33041474
>some trainers might still call their Pokemon really mean or abusive things in private
That goes without saying. Except when they say it, that is.

>just not on the official certificate of birth
Certificate of live hatching?

>or when entering a league-ordained battle.
!!! DANGER AUTISTIC WORLD-BUILDING ZONE !!!
In Ocimene, the system I developed accidentally became somewhat like astronomical systematic naming.
I started with game canon, where you had a public number (16 bits, 0-65535) and a private number (another 16 bits) that was assigned randomly, but I added a grouping code, two letters that advance approximately yearly. A pokemon is identified by its current legal owner and a suffix identifying the pokemon specifically: serial numbers for owned but not cared-for pokemon, such as those in long term storage or up for trade; letters for those who are kept on-hand or stored short-term. For example, Roscoe is identified as BW-99709/L*, BW-99709 identifies his legal owner, Matthew's great grandmother, 'L' as his current suffix, and the asterisk notes in this case that he's out of owner's possession, specifically that he's on loan to Rennin P.D. to work part-time as a special case interrogator/mind-reader and the rest of his time he serves as Matthew's aide. All numbers are unique and they accumulate, so a heavily traded pokemon may wind up with many legacy entries, matched with regrettable former (nick)names.

>>33041813
>!!! DANGER AUTISTIC WORLD-BUILDING ZONE !!!
And I thought you were COMPLAINING when you mentioned my UUID system...

>>33038996
Oh I know that, but /a/ """believes""" it by reeing whenever someone talks about something perceived as low-quality, ie Naruto, reccommending, giving sauce, many other things that upset /a/utists, etc

>>33041846
eh there are plenty of naruto threads on /a/, what really triggers them is anything pre-90's. they moan about how it should be on /m/ whether it's mech or not. i suspect they're just embarrassed for never having watched the old shit.

>>33041831
Only in the sense that a long, public-facing hex string is cumbersome for non-silicon intelligence. So, I prefer to keep the human-read information human-readable. And the barcode-spoken information umbreon-forgeable.

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>tfw In A Blue Moon will remain forever abandoned immediately before the climax

It hurts so fucking much. I discovered that story at the very beginning. That shit got me through two semesters.

>>33044036
God, I hate it when that happens. Why do they always stop writing st the best part?
Or this:
>see a story get updated constantly
>looks good, but I don't want to be burned by an incomplete fic
>gets enough regular updates to make ne really curious
>read it, it's really good
>story never updates again
:V

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>>33044108
That's exactly the case with this fic. She started it in July 2015 and updated regularly through December that year, amounting to 21 chapters. She promised either an update on Christmas or the week after, and now here we are. She's disallowed PMs so there's no way to contact her outside of reviews.

>>33044256
Clearly you need to leave a review with nothing but all caps.

>>33044036
>tfw
>mfw I'm guilty of that one
Cut me a check I was young and naïve.

>>33044108
Have you stopped to consider that perhaps it is your fault? Maybe you've jinxed it? Maybe the story would have continued updating would you never read it. Alas, we'll never know...

>>33041813
>>33041831
>using hashes shorter than 192 bits
Please, it's like your Leagues have never heard of Tiger, RIPEMD-320 or ECOH. Not to mention Whirlpool and RadioGatún. What kind of backwards tech are they using? Next you'll tell me they are still using analog for phones and PPP-over-Psychic Broadcast to connect to the databases containing the mons' medical informations.

>>33044301
>Not even using steganography to hide all messages in 4½GB files and then encrypting with DVD-sized one-time-pads that only exist as one copy of a disc image generated using lava lamp random number generation in a RAM based virtual drive that's immediately destroyed, along with the faraday-caged, air-gapped, TEMPEST-proofed computer it's in.
>Your fictional organization's fictional security protocols are weak.
Time to quit writing and take up origami instead, I guess.

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>>33036611
Wait a year, and I'll have started writing one.
>>33025758
O, how there will be nothing like my story!

>>33044651
are you latin anon

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>>33044108
>i was that writer 6 months ago

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>>33044611
>not dividing your entire PC installation into separate floppy disks, each stored in discrete, equidistant locations around the globe, rotating their positioning based on the electromagnetic interference patterns generated by gamma rays impacting the atmosphere

You are weak and your stories will not survive the winter

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>>33044684
Yes.
I just got back from a 5-day vacation, so work should resume shortly.

Would "Why Those Dragons are Called Heroes" make for a good title? Hmm.

I don't need to think up a title until I've finished the story. Time spent thinking of the title, is time that could be spent writing the story.

I'm thinking of basing the name of the villain after this Gallic deity Esus:
http://www.chronarchy.com/esus/eor_esus.html

>Ēsus (Hēsus ), i, m.,
>I. a Gallic deity, to whom human blood was offered, Inscr. Orell. 1993; Luc. 1, 445; Lact. 1, 21, 3.
>According to the Berne Commentary on Lucan, human victims were sacrificed to Esus by being tied to a tree and flailed.

(That's what spending an entire day looking at Latin words from the Gaulish language gets you.)

>>33045181
Winter? My stories don't survive their first nights.

What would a fire-type call a grass-type to fuck with them, banter/bully/ect?

>>33045472
Tinder, or kindling

>>33045488
Haven't heard from you in a while Mig, where the fuck have you been?

I really wouldn't mind writing some Pokemon fanfiction but I just have no idea what it would be about.

>>33045472
"My back-up," against Water-, Ground-, and Rock-types?

>>33045506
I suppose that would slow you down, but to be fair, having no idea impedes any writing, not only the writing of Pokémon fan-fiction. So by default you know more about what it would be about if you were to write Pokémon fan-fiction instead of original fiction. So there, you've already taken the first step.

>>33045496
Very busy, work and visiting friends in addition to all the shit I already commit to that isn't writing. Chapter 16's going to be out on the very day things even out again, though you probably weren't wondering about that part.

>>33045506
Just make some smut to start out. It's pretty easy material, is in high demand, and allows you to flesh out characters from the bottom up if you know what I mean.

>>33045472
Fuel
Weed
Undergrowth
Skrub
Strawman

>>33045532
Well the idea of the trainer leaving on his journey is beaten to death. I'd have to make it interesting. I suppose when I say I don't know what it would be about I really mean that I don't know how I would make it stand out or be different.

>>33045565
• Think about Pokémon till you notice something interesting.
• Think about an equally interesting way to articulate that thing.
• Type a lot of words.
• Become a legend, statue in the park, deity of worship for generations of future fan-fiction writers.

>>33045565
Get rid of the humans; imagine a world with only Pokémon.
It doesn't even need to be Mystery Dungeon-style.

>>33041813
>serious, thoughtful world-building
>typhlosions doing Mr. T impressions
Your stories really are the full package.

>>33044256
It's rough to lose a story that updates regularly like that. There really aren't enough comfy, feel good stories out there.

>>33045565
Don't feel the need to take on a huge story as your first go at it. Anything meant to cover the same distance as one of the games is bound to be huge. Instead of writing a standard journey story, write an excerpt from a journey, or something else more off the beaten path. For example, you could cover a new trainer's first day, or their struggle to overcome a particular gym.

>>33045606
>>33045741
>>33046330
Thanks for the advice guys. I think I'll be starting something tomorrow.

I appreciate the help more than you lads know.

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>>33046518
I'm glad to help anytime.

The outset of a journey is exciting. Doubly so when the characters don't realize what they're in for.

>>33041689
Nothing wrong with using your own nicknames. Means readers get to know the author in a way. Accounting for the age of the trainer is also a good thing. I like Rascal being called such for behavioral reasons.

>>33044108
What not to do.

>>33045606
What to do. And fail miserably at, so you try again to spite your shortcomings. And again, to prove you're not a quitter. And once again, while chanting religious hymns in Kierkegaardian blind faith, proclaiming eventually the brick wall will budge.

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>>33048212
>proclaiming eventually the brick wall will budge.

Oh the lies we tell ourselves..

>>33048212
Most people's nicknames are shit, mine included.

>>33045506
a faggot
:^)

>>33049175
Whoops, meant to quote
>>33045472

>>33045279 MSPaint, 99th hour.
>>33046783 MSPaint, 101st hour.

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>>33049399
I'm not sure what you mean, but...
The first picture is my making, the second picture is unfortunately not.
My drawing skills have been improving...
I am spending more time thinking about my story than practicing drawing, however.
Why, I just learned today how to use headings in Word. I immediately went back to my old documents and "fixed" them. They'll now be much easier to navigate.

>>33049175
Damnit, I missed the obvious answer

>>33049399
>>33050772
Oh wait, I suddenly understand the joke.

I really really wish Yoshizilla and his alt were banned so I'd stop seeing his spam on AO3

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A sincere question in regards to a story being written with a small cast. The human and Pokemon characters are similar to those from Pokemon Conquest. Each trainer has one mon they have bonded with and share similar strengths and weaknesses. In order to acquire a diverse crew capable of handling more than your average wild beast you need to make some friends. My question is in regards to held items and the like since I'm attempting to craft an interesting story. Is it fair to double up on items and abilities? Similar to Mystery Dungeon where a Pokemon can use both its abilities. I've already consigned to using the entire move learnset for each mon. Worried about making things too OP but then again opponents are cunning and can use similar tactics in an ambush. Also intend on giving the trainers unique items so they're not useless "move yellers" in combat.

Thanks /vpwt/

>>33051263
>Is it fair
Does fairness matter? Is this regulated League play, or survival of the fit?

>>33051481
>Is this regulated League play, or survival of the fit?
The latter.

>>33051484
Then "fair" doesn't exist.

>>33051550
Fair enough.

>>33051263
>Worried about making things too OP
This is a judgment call on your part. You have the canon to draw from and you have artistic discretion on how it effects in the world you portray. Your threats are thus:

• Too OP.
Because you've selected "survival" as your motivators, overpower isn't really a threat but you do need to choose just how hyper a hyper beam is, and what a move like explode/self-destruct truly is. If you choose power levels that are too high, you will develop a cold war—everybody who formed an Ubers outfit becomes a party in a Mutually Assured Destruction stalemate, and all other trainers are basically third-world citizens, who may have their own little conflicts driven by participation in proxy war or to maintain the favor of their nearest feudal superpower. If you choose power levels that are low, you reduce the impact of the existence of Pokémon. Which brings us to…

• Necessity.
How powerful must your Pokémon be to make them the fulcrum upon which power balances? In my stories I've made clear that pokemon are usefully powerful, but they're not "super": A high caliber pistol is sufficient protection against wild belligerents. (Even Steel-types, assuming precise aim.) Because you're both making survival the stakes and founding the human–pokemon relationship on pair bonding, raising Pokémon power—especially defensive stats—puts a target on the human. Is killing the Pokémon's Tamer a way to enervate the Pokémon, making fighting the Pokémon the secondary strategy? Is being paired with a human worth the stress of becoming a 24/7 bodyguard? And that's the one-on-one issue…

Aight, lemme just ask a question: What's your stance on Fanfics written in First Person?

(cont >>33051753)

• Tribal warfare.
Since team balancing is now an issue for a band of happy warriors, and there is no advantage to fairness, how large do these gangs become? Does battle reduce to which gang has the most members when they meet in an alleyway? Do factions form territories that suffer border disputes but mostly just shout obscenities at each other because neither side wants to lose 90% of their population in a battle royale that only means a third group will come in and finish off the survivors and triple its claim?

Are there particular compositions that make life as a wanderer, hermit, or rogue viable? Would a good Psychic like Kadabra be enough to sense danger and teleport you both to safety when a gang approaches? Do you evolve the first pidgey you can befriend to third form so you can fly high and land only to eat and rest, and the rest of the time hope that the guy who caught Rayquaza doesn't kill you?

And to round this out…

• Families.
Now that we're somewhere between Pokémon Dark Ages and Pokémon Mad Max, in the long term there's going to be a drive toward either aforementioned home territories or toward total nomadic (think Injuns and Eskimos) mobile family groups. The latter knits nicely with Pokémon eggs liking to go for walkies, but more importantly this decision determines where peoples' meals are coming from.

—

This probably takes a lot of the fun out of your idea, but I'm making a point here: If you aren't careful, readers may call "bullshit!" if any topic like these don't make sense. That's okay if Rule Of Cool saves you (e.g., Mad Max), but if you choose to take this seriously, you must take it seriously.

>>33051829
Used wisely, it's fine. But a lot of novice writers seem to gravitate toward First Person and I worry it's because their imaginations are underdeveloped and it's simply easier to write what's imagined as though that person were living it, rather than it being an author's decision that First Person is the perspective that best presents the events of the story. In either case, because novices seem to be most likely to present First Person Mary Sue fiction, it colors (at least my own opinion of) how much quality is promised by a fic when it is in First Person.

>>33051829
I never even considered doing it, since I wouldn't be able to focus on two main characters. But since one is a writer, he will probably be writing about himself in the first person within the story.

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>>33051753
>>33051836
A very informative series of issues to pay attention to while world building.

So far the places where civilization is thriving have their own factions and powers. These areas are lorded over by groups of confederates rather than a single legendary or king. A strong man or mon without allies, is just that: an individual capable of being usurped. Legendaries are the stuff of legends, free-spirited and hardly concerned with the affairs of the common rabble. If an uber shows up to torch a town out in the desert, there's strength in numbers capable of subduing it then raising its hollowed carcass on a tall stake to warn others of consequences for invading. That is part of the reason why Pokemon seek to align with humans; the guys with tools, vehicles, weapons, and armor, they aren't seen as dead weight requiring a nanny. With their ingenuity they've got sharp claws too.

Concerning a high caliber pistol being effective against wild beasts. The power level makes sense, but how it would hold up against a psychic or ghost? Are there dark type bullets or is Kadabra able to laugh while making the bullet turn around and shoot the shooter or teleport swap locations?

In reply to your final remark about taking the fun out of the idea, I'd argue the contrary since the mission I have is to create a realistic environment in the setting. Getting called out on bullshit is best avoided. Knowing various pitfalls to watch out for makes the job less burdensome. If I'm able to tackle adequately even those items you listed I may be on the path to something I can be proud of. Your detailed response is appreciated.

>>33051829
I've seen 1st Person done masterfully and terribly in fictions. It’s incredibly subjective. I prefer reading in 3rd.

>>33052550
>is Kadabra able to laugh while making the bullet turn around and shoot the shooter or teleport swap locations?

Stick to what the games allow psychics to do and avoid the anime's OP Psychic syndrome.

>>33051829
I've used first person a few times in my work, but only for specific instances (any scenes from either Celebi's or Coralis's point of view)

I think it's something to be used occasionally and not for an entire story, unless it's a smaller work.

>>33052550
>Getting called out on bullshit is best avoided.
The goal is to—re., the above—establish where on these topics you've chosen to place your story's world, and then to stick near to it. Suspension of Disbelief is your friend, and you don't have to make it really hold water to make it interesting or enjoyable, but any position you take is a trade off determining what can and can't work later without raising a contradiction that can make your readers call foul should you bend your world to make easier your late-act writing.

And even if there isn't a contradiction per se, a vry dedicated reader or two will probably give you a noogie anyway just because you don't see a particular thing in your story's world the way they see that thing in their idea of your story's world. That's when you know that you have created an accomplishment.

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>>32977439
this

>>33049181
Thank you friend, can i use it?

>>33037926
Started to read it and I do like it actually.

Although I think you occasionally pepper in a bit much of the verbose, like "crepuscular" but don't take that as meaning you can't say less common words, just take a moment to think if the word, as a reader would neccesitate a look at the dictionary.

For example, even though I don't hear the word Diurnal often, if ever, I can still understand the meaning by nocturnal following it right after.

Now I haven't read the 1st part of the series, but Latias' characterization is intriguing, and I'm curious to see where her lonely self will end up now that she has to share her home with Michael.

>>33053747
>Now I haven't read the 1st part of the series
The first piece is not necessary context for the second; rather they're both supposed to be context for a later work.

Thank you for the feedback! I'll try to keep it in mind. I hope you continue to enjoy the story!

You know you're an effective critic when an author continues to bitch about a single piece of negative feedback you gave them over a month prior.

>>32972061
Just dropping in real quick, but did that weird mating encyclopedia thing ever get updated? Last I remember there were two parts.

>>33054406
Does it count as being an effective critic if the author blocks you from their story, uploads a chapter condemning the review and anyone who agrees with it, and then subsequently puts the story up for adoption?

>>33054719
they're all merged to one pastebin. Last I recall there were 5 volumes, but it has since no longer been updated beyond that.

>>33054787
Is it in the fic catalog?

>>33054723
Jesus christ on a cracker, what the fuck happened?

>>33054818
yeah. Under the NSFW tab.
Here's a link: https://pastebin.com/cz7PX8hL

That reminds me: Anyone that has written things should submit what they wrote to the catalog to add more things to it and all that. Anything goes as long as you're the author.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdBrvUbK_pBmFu5kbOzBqhmYYOJLQvKhMp031UtsoQpWXbmjw/viewform?c=0&w=1

>>33054820
It wasn't even a Pokemon fanfic, it was a fucking Naruto fanfic sue me, it's a guilty pleasure which had an interesting premise and went absolutely nowhere. I remember there were lots of stupid roadblocks and inane plot-related decisions and when I listed my grievances the author sperged out on me.

The chapter they uploaded was essentially a long "I'm the writer so I can do no wrong and it's okay because I've been writing a lot longer than anyone here". It frustrated the fuck out of me and I'm getting mad simply recalling it.

>>33055179
Sounds like you really rustled his jimmies there anon. Though given his reaction, it seems like he had it coming.

No shame in that. My first popular fic was a Naruto fic back in 2007.

>>33055239
>>33055179
i think naruto fanfics are everyone's guilty pleasure

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>>32972061

>A character's fear(s) can prove to be either a comical or a grand obstacle yet key development for a story. How do you handle fear in a story? What makes it believable?

It's one of those things that is very case dependent, but as a general rule of thumb, the more "seriously" you play a fear, the more threatening / intimidating it has to logically seem from the perspective of the party with the phobia with regard to its experiences and background.

And not quite fears, but am belatedly publishing a new chapter:

FFN:
>https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11084689/55/Fledglings

AO3:
>http://archiveofourown.org/works/3465593/chapters/25807437

>>33055000
damn I wish the mating guide would be updated. had a lot of fun writing smut based on it

Morning bump

>>33055954
I like smut but I unironically read the guide simply because it's more interesting than erotic.

>>33057793
Same here.

>>33057793
>>33058062
>reading playboy for the articles

>>33058124
someone has to complain about a straight pokemon living in a gay world

How do you guys come up with ways to advance the plot that don't seem forced or artificial?

>>33058678
Usually, if all the pieces are in place the story should flow on its own. Sometimes you got to throw a little exposition around, or comedic scene to stop things from getting dull, I guess, but it should be rare. If you are constantly wondering where to go next, it might be time for a rewrite.

>>33058678
Generally speaking I've always found where to go next an easy thing to do. Events follow a logical progression in my mind towards major plot points/events I had in mind when I first started writing the work, and it is all in service to the ending in some way. If a plot point I wanted to make becomes moot or nonsensical to implement I simply brush past it because it is no longer needed and shouldn't be forced.

Think of what you're writing as a progression of events that follow some kind of internal logic that aligns with the characters you have and the world they navigate and you'll be able to keep things flowing with relative ease. The only obstacle you'll really encounter are Bad Premises that will require a great deal of writing gymnastics to evade. Or the shrug and scrap slide into a total rewrite of the work or its original intent.

>>33058678
hire a ghostwriter to connect your dots

>Nearly done with a chapter by wordcount but it needs a little more.
>Look over it.
>A 5k lump of autistic worldbuilding, mostly just to establish something I may not even use and to in-'verse explain/justify how I carried over one of the games' mechanics.
>Three cameo appearances.

What have I done?
Everything wrong.
Chance of chapter do-over?
50%/50%.

Tonight, I dine in shame.

>>33060349
>Tonight, I dine in shame.
HHng intimidation, see.

>>33060644
To a degree. I kinda think that it's time for a gym visit, but I hate writing battles and I haven't thought of a hook, and already of three I wrote one, phoned in the second, and literally had the MC sent out from the reception area at the third, so it's like the amount of gym portrayal went from 100% to 55% to 10%, next is −35% and that could create a black hole that punches through space and time, removing existence and making the Sinnoh legend trio disappointed by my carelessness.

As for what's in the file now, I don't go so far as to try to explain why "31" is a magic number, but I was hoping that this section would lead into something and instead its sputtering out. Maybe an idea will strike and it'll become a longer than average chapter, but nothing's struck yet so instead I'm procrastinating and making my fingers orange with a sack of cheesy poofs while I wait for something unidentified to complete an irradiation cycle.

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>>33058678
If you know the next big even that's gonna come up, think about what would have to happen in order for that future to exist.
For example, lets say mr MC here lives like 5 blocks away from his friends house where he's going to, so what would happen between him leaving his house and arriving at his friends?
Of course its obvious that he's just walking 5 blocks, but in that case maybe its just a moment for him to think or reflect. Perhaps something happens to him on the way that changes the entire course of the story.
While i've been writing DS, I've noticed that the more you try and sprint straight to the main sequence of events, the more forced it becomes. Not only that but it gets harder to think of what comes next, your greatest ally when writing is time and distance. Give yourself time to write out the story, and give yourself distance by doing other things so you can come back refreshed to write. Most of the time you'll find inspiration or a new idea when your enjoying a different piece of media, or while writing it itself. The idea i got for the sprawling island dungeon (in like chapter 5 i think) was from playing Thief1 of all things.

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>turning on the computer
Easy
>opening the word doc for fic I'm writing.
Medium
>Not die of shame when reading what I've made so far
Hard
>Actually getting shit done
Next to Impossible.

This suffering never ends, I want off this ride.

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>>33061871
>Shame
>[current year]

Throw away your inhibitions and publicly give your waifu the fuck

>>33061965
I don't have waifu. All I want is to pen some good, raw story

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>>33061965
... I don't have a "waifu", per se.

I would have an "uxor".

>>33061871
Why is it that when I read what I wrote, it seems inadequate at first, but in a day's time it seems to have improved despite not changing at all? Your mind will play tricks.
>>33058678
Work backwards. Begin with the end in mind, and plan events in the middle.

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Let's goh

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ij4sYoBb7l02jNKRANr255CZLN3zXnEQQfs4iZgz79s/edit?usp=sharing

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Has anyone here ever tried to write a Mass Effect x Pokemon crossover? I was completely surprised I couldn't find a hit for one.

>>33065882
Crossovers aren't too popular around here, thankfully.
https://www.fanfiction.net/Pok%C3%A9mon-and-Mass-Effect-Crossovers/80/2927/?&srt=4&r=10

>>33065924
Holy fuck all of those look terrible.

Looks like my update will be in the next thread.

My story is going to have a lot of wordplay.
For English speakers, anyway. A lot of it dealing with the fact that innocent Latin words resemble... certain English words.
Penus: food
Penes: in the power of
Pinus: a pine tree
Penitus: inwardly, most deeply
Penates: household gods
Peniculus: a pencil
Penicillum: a paintbrush

>>33066708
You talk a big game, latinbro, but do you have any samples of your work? Not asking for much. Just an excerpt would do.

>>33066708
>trying to be roundabout about dicks
Is there something you want to tell us about yourself, fellow anon?

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>>33066872
Neca te ipsum

>>33067237
cyka blyat

>>33066838
I haven't actually started writing the story yet; it's all just prewriting stuff right now.
Right now, I'm working on:
>Building vocabulary (in particular, Gaulish, Celtic, Oscan, Umbrian, Etruscan loanwords. There's something interesting that I'm planning to do with them, which I'm sure hasn't been tried before.)
>Practicing Latin usage and stuff.
>Thinking about what I want to include in the story. Pliable plot events, since it hasn't been written yet. I'm toying around until I get the best result.
I need to learn the language as well as write the story. Luckily, I learn very quickly. I'm sure that my writing skills will also improve.

If you want a sample, here are some "quotations" that I might have included at the beginning of the story in order to cue the reader in on its themes.

>Tam bonitās reī mētīrī, quam malitās reī gignere potest.
>Optima (maximē bona) fīent pessima (maximē mala). Optima sunt corruptibilissima.
>Est mēns quō locō vēra proelia incidērunt.
>Etiam aliqua nōn intellēcta sint bona.
>Tōta Creātiō in dēsignātō statū est nātūrāliter bona, sed malus corrumpit.

>>33067336
To the extent that the goodness of a thing is able to be measured, just so much is able to grow the badness of a thing.
The best (most greatly good) things may become the worst (most greatly evil) things. Good things are exceedingly corruptible.
It is the mind where the true struggles befall.
All Creation, in its designated state, is naturally good; but evil corrupts.

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>>33066838
From the descriptively nicknamed "Pokémon Vulgate" but actually called "Ipse Liber" text.
I actually wrote this in English first, and it was extremely difficult to translate into Latin. Painful, even.
It's just the first version; I probably will revise it at some point.

>>33067468
my nigga is going places with this shit

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>>33067503
It's good to see a fan.

Good thread,
well read,
soon dead.