TamashiHioroka says she dislikes Dawn and Serena in the anime

Who cares?

Who cares?

>>32745926
Who?

Literally who?

Who the fucks even watches that garbage still

>>32745967
Thanks anon for breaking the chain with your autistic anger

>>32745926
I don't blame her for not liking shit

>>32745926
post the roast

>>32745926
>Irrelevant attention whore doesn't like legitimately good characters
Who the fuck cares

>>32745926
It doesn't matter, it's just a shitty anime based on a shitty game.

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>>32745926
Tamashii isn't as pretty as Dawn or Serena, so of course she's geared towards Misty

Japan still has an objectifying culture where a woman's highest aspiration is to be a good vagina for the man that will pick her. Dawn and Serena are merely the apex of that train of thought.

Tamasshi is autistic

>>32746249
>implying they're wrong

>>32746249
Which seeps into anime, which affects real Japanese people.
>women would rather focus on their careers than bother trying to appeal to men
>men, meanwhile, don't want anything but their manufactured idols and their fictional waifus
And that's why Japan's birthrate is decreasing.

>>32746733
But anon, that's not the rules of nature.

>>32745926
Eh. I hate Jessie but does that make you not sleep at night or something if I happened to be an eceleb with tits on top of that?

Different opinions exist, anon.

>>32746249
>>>/pol/ is that way

the only politics relevant to Pokémon are about the Tunguska event as that is indirectly mentioned in Japanese RGBY and FRLG

>>32746744
Good. Actual hard workers deserve better than greasy otakus and neets.

>>32747068
>>>/out/

>>32746249
Dawn is coquettish, but modern in a way where she values her independence. Technically she's as progressively feminine as Pokegirl protagonists get.

It's Serena wanting to go husband hunting that raises concerns. Sure girls can (not always, can) dream of their prince charming at a young age, but her entire existence was just being a groupie until the anime had to lie and pretend Kalos had contests just for the sake of giving her something to do. A 10 year old going husband hunting is a bit off the wall and a lot of Shudo's worldbuilding gets discredited as the series marches on so yeah, it's still allowed to be jarring.

Who is this again and why should I care? No I'm really asking. WHO IS THIS?

>>32747092
It's only weird to an SJW Westerner.

>>32747094
An e-celeb that like Pokemon.
People can't sleep at night when their idols don't reflect their viewpoints.

>>32746249
>where a woman's highest aspiration is to be a good vagina for the man that will pick her.
Based Japan.

>>32745926
Has anyone noticed that when a woman doesn't like a fictional girl, its because the girl is more feminine/attractive than she is?
Why is that? Are they just petty?

>>32747153
But Serena has the worst design out of all the pokegirls.

>>32747163
This is bait.

>>32747153
Yes. Ugly nerdy women are the most petty, bitter people in existence.

Dawn is the only pokegirl who left home to pursue an ambition. May just wanted to go on vacation, Iris was running away from her shortcomings, and Serena was trying to get laid. Dawn set out to be a coordinator from the beginning and it really shows in her character arcs. She spent as much time training as Ash, but took losing harder than any other character in the series. She was a great character.

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>>32747169
But it's true. She has a boring brown bob and the tackiest outfit ever.

>>32747153
That's been studied. Some western developers have intentionally been making the women uglier because women are proven to react better to less attractive female characters.

>>32747153
That's not just for fictional women, really. It is prominent with fictional women in some cases, but it applies with real women (approachable and celebs). Women get jealous for possible dick and/or attention that could be theirs either because they legit harbor a crush on the parties interested or they have hang-ups about not being noticed by dudes they wanted to plow. It's a caustic cycle but sometimes one without much pity.

>>32747092
Everyone knows the age is there just to give the story a setting, these kids do not look 10 so no one really pays attention to their ages. Believe it or not, obsessive behavior over a boy they like is a very common thing in teenage girls.

>>32747194
The thing that really drives it home for me is when they say "this character isn't what real women are like"
When I see a guy who is more buff/masculine than me, I don't accuse them of not being realistic

>>32747211
>Be women
>Given choice to play as hot or ugly chick
>Self insert as ugly fat lady
Either they are really good or really bad at self inserting

>>32745926
>Tamashi
Invalid opinion for her being a woman and she also has zero expertise on what desirable women are.

>>32747179
A lot of females have a problem with Dawn being girly. I have no idea why, but I used to see it all the time back when DP was originally airing on various pokemon forums. Females would say, "Dawn is too girly so I can't relate to her," or "Dawn wears dresses and a skirt...that is too girly!" etc.

For some reason female pokemon fans hate things that are girly or related to that. If you were in the pokemon fandom when DP was airing it was what they would say all the time. Of course most of them were Misty fans, so I guess that counts as part of it too.

>>32747194
>>32747195
Thankfully Japan isn't like this, so shit aimed at girls over there still has good looking girls in them.

>>32747435
The Pokémon anime is mostly focused at boys anyway.

>>32747435
American girls think its "sexist" to depict a girl being feminine.

>>32747459
Especially Dawn and Serena's stories were very heavily aimed at girls.

>>32747472
That's feminism for you.

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>>32747480
May's was as well. Drew and Harley were characters straight out of shoujo manga/anime aimed at girls.

>>32746120

>Dawn and Serena
>legitimately good characters

this is what ashnimefags actually believe

>>32747153

Why doesn't she hate May or Misty then? They have the same exact face.

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>>32747505

>>32745926
>Just like she clearly knows her goal, she's the type who knows what she likes and what she hates, and will clearly tell you how it is. She's on the same level as Ash and will get into fights with him. She like fashion, she likes sweets, and she's no good at cooking.

Doesn't sound that stereotypically feminine to me.

I hate Dawn and Serena too with their contest shit. It's annoying and obviously only exists to be cutesy and appeal to girls. May gets a pass because contests debuted in Gen 3 and it was a new thing that the time. Thankfully they dropped that shit in the SM anime.

>>32747590
Then don't watch it, you ginormous faggot.

>>32747605

I'm sorry I'm not a 5 year old girl that is into pink dresses and sparkles or a fucking pedophile that gets off to cartoon girls twirling around

>>32747620
Nice straw man. Do you always get this upset?

Dawn WAS pretty fucking uninteresting, she's not wrong there. Ultimately just a girl version of Ash with a shitty catchphrase.

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>>32747435
In all fairness, it's very much possible that Dawn was supposed to represent not only a feminine side to being into Pokemon, MORESO than Misty and May but also to identify with Japanese girls' values and sensibilities. As far as Ash's partners thus far, she fits the bill -- darker hair, feminine qualities but reasonably assertive and independent in her own quirky way and flawed to a point but not willing to put up with others' bullshit.

She's not necessarily a love interest for Ash, more like an equal in a way. Ash learns a bit about contests from her and Dawn learns a lot about battles through him. It's so easy to write her off as a girly May clone because she fills a similar gap but she's actually handled like her own character in subtle but respectable ways.

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>>32747195
>Women get jealous for possible dick and/or attention that could be theirs
This.

>>32748938
>every comment but one is from white women
Asians truly are superior

>>32748938
Tall Asian women are a miracle of nature. Not that tall Asians don't exist, but fuck me if they ain't goddesses.

>>32748954
Every comment is from women a lot uglier than athlete-chan too.

>>32745926
Hey Scott, why don't you go eat a dick and then fap to May until your own dick falls off you retarded manchild

60 posts and no one even said who the fuck is this and why should I care?

>>32749127
Lurk moar

>>32749127
>Expecting spoonfeeding
>On 4chan

Maybe you don't belong here.

>>32749127
Stop bumping Scott threads you fucking retard

>>32749134
>>32749136
I thought she was Dawn's Japanese VA but turns out she's just a weeb youtube camwhore who gave herself a japanese sounding name for weeb credits.

ok.

>>32749153
Why the fuck would a Japanese VA be on tumblr writing negative shit about her own character? Are you retarded?

>>32749153
>>32749144

>>32749169
OP made it sound like it was the opinion of someone who actually mattered.

>>32749179
But I sage.

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>>32749153
>Dawn's Japanese VA
https://myanimelist.net/people/144/Megumi_Toyoguchi

>>32749183
OP is a really tired shitposter.

>>32749189
Thumbnail looked worse.

Yeah, I'd fuck that. Not even a Dawnfag either.

>>32746249
>Japan has an entirely accurate depiction of women
ftfy

>>32747196
Serena wasn't obsessive over Ash tho.

>>32749633
>bumping a shitposter thread again
Read the thread next time you retarded nigger

>>32746249
>Japan still has an objectifying culture
Thats called natural selection

>>32745967
true hahhhaha
that anime is shit

>>32746752
seek help

>>32745926
>Harmful

>Floatingspergbrain intensifying

>>32749949
>>32749851
>>32749855
>>32749858
>not reading the thread so you'd see that people warned you against replying to it
Why.

>>32747169
I wouldnt take it as a bait. Anime Serena is ugly as fuck

>>32745926
I remember Misty being a bigger whiner than Dawn was back when I gave a shit about the anime.

>>32745926
She's a retarded feminist who has been lobotomized by anti-depressants and the liberal autism of Oregon.

ARBY'S

>>32749243
Yeah, then have a daughter with her and call her Hikari.

>>32750696
Naw.

I'd name her Iris

>>32751335
So you're a nigger?

>>32746120
>ashnime
>having anything legit good

>>32746744
>japan's birthrate is decreasing
>implying that the world is not overpopulated

>>32745926
>misty and may were more moderate
>misty
>a tomboy
>moderate

May is closer to Dawn than Misty.

The only problem I ever had with Dawn was in the games with her wearing a short skirt while marching through a blizzard.

>>32751359
Not a word I care for, but yes.

>>32751377
But it isn't. You could feed the entire population and a bunch of billions (thousand millions for those of us using the large scale) more if the distribution of resources was more balanced.

>>32747153
Any anime character will be more attractive than most people in real life. So a person not liking an anime character is nothing.

Also girls who are less interested in fashion and looking attractive aren't going to be interested in a character who does contests.

It's totally normal to not like a character who is just a a stereotype or who is not fleshed out. People get triggered by anything that sounds remotely SJWy.

>>32751587
The funny thing about this shit is that women diminish their own value getting salty about this crap. It's not that men don't find them attractive, it's that they haven't been told they are. There are women who are objectively flawed but hardly by any means unattractive. It's just easier to get your dick wet to a drawing and go about your schedule because you still have free time, women are still viable and all but the investment of being in a relationship can be a gamble at times.

>>32747196
yeah, the ages are irrealistic, but excluding the ages that makes no sense, Serena is still fucking annoying and is hunting for a husband. She is the worst female protagonists in Pokemon anime,

>>32752174
Femanon pls

>>32752174
Technically Misty is still the worst, namely because writers had absolutely no idea what to do with her and giving her a cradlemon made things worse.

>>32749957
Bump :^)

>>32746744
>implying Japan's birthrate is actually decreasing because of otakus and not the economic situation their country is in
>i.e. it's expensive to live and raise families there
I know I'm on 4chan and /vp/ of all places, but holy shit, if you actually believe memes you need to kill yourself.

>>32752174
>is hunting for a husband
So?

>>32751471
Yeah but guess what, distribution of resources is not balanced and will never become cheap and affordable enough to feed all the poor African children in the world. Overpopulation has nothing to do with how many people we could feed if the world was perfect but how many people we could feasibly feed right now.

>>32745967
Are you talking about the anime or the youtuber?

>>32752644
Both.

>>32746249
This, ignore autistic polfags.

>>32745926
So why is it exactly bad for girls to be, you know, feminine?

>>32747063
They mention Podkamennaya Tunguska, not the events related to the place.

>>32747194
Gamergate bullcrap. Vidya are played mostly by males so ofc they make bitches as attractive as possible to pander their wankers playerbase.

>>32752504
people like that in a pokemon anime are annoying. The only exception is Brock because it was comedic, but in Serena's case she's a dick's slave, all her character revolve around get groomed to be more girly girl to be noted by man, and of course, loving Ash platonicaly , she is garbage.

Dawn, like all other females of the anime, is generic and bland, but Serena deserves a prize.

>>32752663
mad landwhale spotted

>>32752770
>implying being fat is a bad thing because is intrinsically a bad thing aesthetically
Patriarchy, everyone.
I doubt you are a size zero either.

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>>32752863
(You)

>>32752881
Not me because I don't care to pander some autistic virgin who thinks women exist only to be aesthetically appealing to men.

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>>32752895
>its actually a mad landwhale
Holy shit.

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>>32747505
>>32751372
Retards

>>32747590
>It's annoying and obviously only exists to be cutesy and appeal to girls.
For Serena, that idol shit was done exclusively for the guys. I'd wager that the entire reason Bonnie was on the cast was because they needed a female character geared towards girls since Serena was wish-fulfillment for the male audience and most aspects of her character revolved around making her endearing in that light.

>>32745926
>>32745926
First, who?
And second, Dawn is literally the least whiny out of all the Ash girls

And third
>Hates Dawn for being whiny
>Likes Misty
Whoever this person is, he/she sounds retarded

>>32752905
But who cares?
Do you think you are some special snowflake and people only exist to cater to your taste?

>>32749633
She would have been hadn't they travelled together though.

>>32752174
liking a guy in a faithful way =/= hunting for a husband
If you're gonna shitpost at least do it right, salty femanon.

>>32752966
Do you think the girls in Pokemon only exist to cater to your taste??

>>32752974
Not my taste as I'm not their target, but yeah they clearly exist to appeal girls to watch the show, except Misty maybe.
The same reason they introduced female playable characters, not to cater you pedos but for giving girls something which gears toward female audience.

>>32753011
You're just mad because they aren't teaching girls to be gross like you.

>>32753023
Enjoy your bland waifubait then fag

>>32753054
I will, hamplanet.

>>32752881
Childish behavior. People dislike lame characters bring fat or skinny.

>>32753084
Care or assblasted as he is will call you a landwhale because you don't agree with him.

>>32752969
Read what others posted
She is waifu bait with zero personality just hunting for a dick. Makes no difference if she is fixed on a boy or not. If she had moved on from ash or developed other interest besides caring about shallow stuff and dreaming of husbando who doesn't reciprocate her feelings, she would be a way better character.

>>32752938
>girls don't like idol shit
>even though almost all idol shows are aimed at girls
wew

>>32753125
Lol true. He is sooo smart.
He thinks Dawn or Serena are good characters so this says a lot about his standards.

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>>32753154
>even though almost all idol shows are aimed at girls
literal retard

>>32753220
>he doesn't know

Does Serena even have female fans? Most of the amourcucks I've seen are either brown skin guys or lonely conservative neets, and her fanbase and amour have to have at least a 95% overlap.

Says the woman who got a nose job...

>>32748938
>those profile pics
lmao

>>32746249 Unless they’re the gender-neutral bifauxnen of the group.
>>32747435 It was Pokéshippers who found May relatable but did’nt find Dawn as relatable.

>>32745989
as a neutral party I think that wanting to maintain the chain for le ebig reddid sgreengab is far more autistic

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>>32753390
Her opinion was already invalid before that, as botox Barbie she sinks even deeper.

Only a true patriarch will see Dawn potential.

>>32745926
i stopped watching her after she only spewed anti trump related posts on twitter.

not that i think her opinion is bad, i just dont like to see anything about politics when i just want some pokemon content

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>>32750133
Game Serena on the other hand...

>this fucking thread

>>32753714
I mean, she lives in Oregon, has mental issues and a nose ring. You kind of have to just assume she's like that.

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>>32752938
>>32747590
>>32753355
>that idol shit was done exclusively for the guys
>idol shows aren't aimed mostly at girls
>Serena has no female fans and all her fans are brown and/or conservative NEET dudes
Omoshiroi ja nai...

>>32752687
They actually mention Ponaya Tunguska (which doesn't exist) but that was prolly so that it would fit in the small space.

For what other reason would they replace that reference with Tiksi though?

>>32754436
It's tumblr landwhales trying to confuse newfags. Nothing new.

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>this fucking thread
pic related

>>32754971
>tumblrcunt being this mad reality doesn't match her propaganda

why is this shit thread still up and getting replies
fucking janitors

>>32745926
Am I suppose to know who this is?

>>32755020
Feminists aren't women

>>32755020
Didn't know landwhales were by culturally appropriated by women now. Aren't you ashamed of your racism?

>>32755025
>thinking it's just feminists

>>32755039
It is. When someone bitches about a fictional girl being "too girly," its feminists.

>>32755020
If you can't see your own feet, you no longer count as a woman.

>>32755041
>its feminists.
just the white landwhales ones

>>32755050
There are other kinds?

>>32755041
no, when people bitch about shit characters like serena and dawn, it's because they have good taste.

>>32755060
Top kek. If it's not on the Pokédex, it ain't getting sex.

>>32755078
And your opinions are invalidated when you bring shit like """""patriarchy""""" into it, like >>32752863
did

>>32753355
Throw Dawn and Lillie into that mix, it's transparent what they're there for.

>>32755089
where did i bring in that you illiterate fag?

i'm telling you that women don't go for obvious waifu bait shit, nobody cares if you're angry about it.

>>32755130
>tumblr in charge of knowing what real little girls like

>>32755130
>i'm telling you that women don't go for obvious waifu bait shit, nobody cares if you're angry about it.
Of course not, they don't want competition.

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>>32755130
Nobody cares if you get assmad over girls being feminine.

>>32755130
Yeah, all girls hate pink and dancing, don't they?

>>32755130
>i'm telling you that women don't go for obvious waifu bait shit
I do

>>32755146
>an entire thread about waifufags getting angry over some literally who youtubegirl opinion

>>32755195
>entire thread of tumblr cunts getting mad over Japan liking feminine girls

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>>32745926
Well she's correct though.
Even lillie in less episodes is having more character development.

>>32755210
they don't though.

>>32755222
Is that what tumblr told you?

>>32755147
Many don't and marketing departments and creative teams usually don't understand this, which is why they have trouble bringing in a female audience.

Doesn't matter though since, as someone else said, they didn't design Serena with that audience in mind.

>>32755101

How exactly do Dawn and Lillie compare to Serena?

Serena was just blatant shipping bait, that doesn't apply to Dawn and Lillie.

Well, maybe Lillie, but at least it's not (so far anyway) as forced as what they were doing with Serena.

>>32755237
>Many don't
And just as many DO like it.

>>32755237
>if I keep repeating myself, maybe the universe will change to match my autism

>>32754436
>Omoshiroi ja nai...
t. Neet

>>32755257
>if I keep yelling about tumblr, maybe the universe will change to match my autism

>>32755237
>Doesn't matter though since, as someone else said, they didn't design Serena with that audience in mind.

Keep telling yourself that. Maybe someone will eventually fall for it.

>>32754911
>>32755025
>>32755032
>>32755047
>le tumblr boogeyman
Kys samefag

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>>32755300
>there's n-no way more than one p-person could disagree

>>32755275
You're trying too hard. Stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

>>32755266
Someone didn't get the reference, I see.

>>32755311
nice shop fag

>>32755332
>tumblr cunts THIS assblasted

>>32755312
>going a post without invoking tumblr
and they said it wasn't possible

>>32755332
>everyone on 4chan that dislikes tumblr are the same person
Where do you think you are, /co/?

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>>32753355
No.

Go through the top Amourshippers on places like Youtube, literally all of them are hispanics.

>>32755392
There were a lot of white girls on tumblr who liked her too.

I don't get her Serena/Sailor Moon comparison. The former's problem was that she was emotionally subservient to Ash at pretty much all times, to the point where people were actually surprised that she got angry with him during that snowball episode. Sailor Moon was much more emotionally independent as was the other female characters since it of course was a Shojo.

Being girly isn't the problem, being attached to a male character to the point that it disrupts the show is. Dawn was a great character in pokemon terms because of this.

>>32755454
Most of them are Pokeshippers like Tamashi from what I've seen.

sage

scott can literally pull up random shit from tumblr and get a 200 reply thread about it. it's hard to even be mad at him when you guys fall for it every single time.

>>32755392
Lol I'm Hispanic and I hate Serena. I feel offended.

>>32755595
>Lol

>>32755527
Kek, I have to admit when I made this thread yesterday I didn't expect it to still be going with over 200 replies. LOL

>>32747153
I've noticed this, and it's annoying. Like, for fuck's sake, I'm sure a guy would rather fuck a real girl than jerk it to a fictionsl one. Then again, we've all seen how her potroast looks.

>>32747435
I don't get why girls don't want to feel pretty, nor even try. It's really not that hard, but I guess they just want to play a victim.

>>32755792
They do. The ones that bitch are salty tumblrwhales that know they're too fat and ugly to ever look good.

>>32748938
Jesus fuck, these women need to settle down.

>>32755816
Even back in my school days, the girls in our group of friends would say passive things towards me about dressing nice and wearing make-up, which at the time would be as simple as mascara while they just wore anime/vidja tees, baggy sweatpants, and stringy hair in ponytails.

>>32755853
They would rather try to drag you down to their level instead of improving themselves. Its classic petty jealousy.

>>32755853
They weren't exactly lookers, were they?

>>32753134
I can read it a thousand times and it'll still be shitposting. Again, hunting for dick isn't compatible with being fixed on one specific boy. Stop being a retard and then try to reply maybe.

>>32755527
This is his MO: make a thread with an intentionally provocative OP, then watch people argue with each other. He's a pathetic attention whore who literally can't help himself because he's literally autistic. A fucking shame nobody here knows how to recognize him despite is hilarious inability to disguise anything he writes.

>>32755015
They're fucking useless. This thread is basically a Verlis thread with another Poketuber's/Tumblrfag's name slapped on if, but the janitors don't give a shit anymore.

It's incumbent on other anons to call out threads like this one that are made by known shitposters, since this board's doesn't have real moderation.

>>32756026
And you just get warned or banned for "abusing the report function" if you report this shit anyway

note to self: the easiest way to trigger /vp/ is to be an attention whore and say an opinion.

good to know.

>>32755863
Well, I mean they weren't exactly toads, but just looked and smelled off. Especially the bedtime clothing. So I can't sympathize with people who won't even bother trying to improve.

>>32747488
No wonder they were such hate able assholes!

>>32751471
The world would be better off if most of the populations of Africa, Asia, Central + South America and the Middle East died off.

>>32753355
>brown skin guys or lonely conservative neets
ME!!!!!

And i loved Aria more.

>>32756870
Aria what?

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Anybody got her nudes?

Did this thread really deserve 210 replies?

>>32757970
It sure didn't deserve you bumping it. Literally kill yourself

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>>32746249
>>32745926
Fuck off bitch go advertise your channel on reddit

>>32751471
Are you some kind of Commie?

kys

>>32746249
Everyone's shitting on this post, but Tamashii is such a banal feminist that anon probably just quoted one of her rants.

>>32753761
>nose ring
d r o p p e d

OH MY GOD, WHO THE HELL CARES?