/vgcg/ - VGC General

How about a team rate?

http://pastebin.com/tvgE9G0S

so far, i am on a four win streak with it.

>>31266492
update: got raped by an ice team.

>>31266492
Having two defensive Intimidates with Snarl is a bit redundant, I would probably replace Krook, maybe an offensive Garchomp or something

>>31266583
good point. typical garchomp?

Garchomp
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Poison Jab
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Protect

>>31266227
If you've watched enough games to notice it, you've probably watched enough games to see why it's useful.
One reason would be to see what your opponent is likely to do so you can play with more information the next turn
Another is to avoid an opponent's fake out or waste a turn of their tailwind/trick room
Another is to protect one of your Pokémon while the other sets up speed control (for instance, the classic Oranguru/Torkoal lead; turn one, Oranguru uses Trick Room while Torkoal protects, next turn you have an unharmed Torkoal in Trick Room, which you wouldn't be able to have otherwise
Another is to give your other Pokémon a chance to KO a threat (for instance, if you have Gyarados and Garchomp against an opponent's Tapu Koko, you can protect Gyarados, Tapu Koko goes for the Thunderbolt on Gyarados, which fails, then Garchomp gets the KO on Tapu Koko with Earthquake. Without Protect, Gyarados would have fainted.
For that matter, it protects your Pokémon from your own spread moves. You can have Marowak protect while your Garchomp uses Earthquake and gets rid of a pesky Muk that you would otherwise struggle to get rid of, and Earthquake won't knock out your own Marowak.

It's just so endlessly versatile that it's almost better to think of VGC Pokémon as having three moves and Protect, unless you specifically have a reason to remove it.

>>31266492
also realizing now, that i really have no speed control either really

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>>31266340
>Attractive
>Cool
>COnfident
>Works out
>Hilarious antics
>Skilled dancer
>Lady's man
>Patriotic
>Party animal
UK will never have a champ that great again.

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>>31266340
How do I into VGC? I only know Singles and want to try VGC for fun. Any good YouTubers to teach me that aren't annoying as fuck?

>>31266696
Depends what you find annoying. Cybertron and Wolfe are very straight-talking and decent players. Most Pokémon YouTubers have some sort of VGC content but they tend not to be that great.
Although I'd say the best way to start is just to play some on Showdown. Copy a team from a pastebin somewhere (even one in this thread, although if you can find a tournament-winning one that might be better). Use common sense and pay attention to what your opponent is doing and what mistakes you make.

>>31266696
i just started vgc this year, im decently good now. What really helped was cybertron and wolfes channels. giving me ideas for how sets are supposed to work and just watching overall gameplay. Then when events started streaming i watch those all the time. Just exposing myself to vgc and trying new things here and there helped me tons. These vgc threads even had a big role

>>31266492
>>31266583

okay so ive booted Gengar for Mandibuzz, so i can still taunt, and also tailwind.

I was thinking about maybe losing Arcanine for Marowak, and replacing Garchomp back with Krookodile for Intimidate

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libertygarden streaming the pennsylvania midseason showdown on twitch

QR rental teams when

>>31267213
thank you

>>31266492
okay updated
http://pastebin.com/KHp2HHRd

>>31267290
mandibuzz is supposed to have taunt not snarl, sorry.

>>31267213
>I've been competing for 3-4 years
>I've been competing for 1.5 years

Small time. Who /JAA/ here?

How many rounds does a PC typically run? What record would I need to make top cut?

You know, it makes me sad and slightly mad how hard Trainer Tower is trying to be the new NB. But hey, at least it's not Smogon, so I guess it's fine.

just played against sekiam the european champion
ama

>>31267647
Smallest possible is eight players, which is three rounds
Largest I've seen was 45 players, which is six rounds
Cutoff for top cut is usually between a 2:1 and 3:1 win loss ratio, but it can vary depending on the exact number of players.

>>31268765
Did you win?
I'm 1W-2L against him. (The win was in 2014 tho)

>>31268765
did you catch him looking at your screen?

>>31268008
In fairness, Nugget Bridge's new design before it got hacked was absolute shit. Trainer Tower focusing on specially selected articles, edited by competent writers is far better than just a bunch of unfiltered blogs like Nugget Bridge became.

>>31268867
he fucking haxed the hell out of me

>>31268881
he's streaming right now, playing with his subscribers

>>31268008
Literally who cares
nuggetbridge became a dump after they remodeled it to be everyone's blog

I suck at VGC so bad.I was actually pretty good last year,but now I have no idea how to build a decent team.I'm using a Snow Warning Ninetales + Slush Rush Sandslash,and in the back I have an Arcanine,Gastrodon,A-Muk and Gengar.I lost over 11 battles (though some of them were caused by my shitty internet) and I won around 7 or 8 battles.Maybe I should wait until I can transfer Pokemon...

>>31268983
Everybody has different teambuilding methods. Copy a popular team and make changes to match your playstyle, or incrementally change things that aren't working out and better beat Pokémon you struggle with, or choose a Pokémon you like and build a team around that.

This premier challenge I'm looking at says every swiss round is best of 3, but that can't be right, can it? I thought it was single battles up until top cut.

>>31269234
That's up to the discretion of the Tournament Organizer.
Most TOs get pressured by their players to do BO3 these days, even though it can drag on and is a bit more of a pain to keep an eye on.

If anyone cares, Alex Ogloza is hosting a big tournament on Showdown and it's streaming it right now. Twitch alexogloza.

Lol
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7vgc2017-512999869

>>31269328
>Not knowing your own Pokémon's speed order
What a shitter

>>31269286
>4 VGC tourneys on twitch right now
Which one should I be watching?

>>31269624
LibertyGarden seems to be the biggest one right now.

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Hi all, I came 4-1 and top 4 at a PC today so my giveaway will be up for next few hours.

Just drop a sandile into the GTS using the message "I want to fill my pokedex with other languages", and try to make your request as specific as possible so you don't get sniped. Nickname the sandile with the nature/HP you want if I've got multiple.

http://pastebin.com/i2gNqn0e

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anyone watching this stream >>31267213 ?

>>31271339
Yes, with some luck the next round should be beginning >soon

>>31271339
>>31271623

anyone else?

On Showdown, my opponents very frequently "disconnect" and I have to wait 60 seconds for them to reconnect before I get the win
But when I try to close the tab or even close the window, I get a notification asking if I want to forfeit, which I can't get rid of without foreiting.
How are people doing that? Are they actually just turning their computer off, or do they get Chrome to block notifications or something?

>>31272825
sounds like a problem with your internet

>>31272755
4chan's fav Trista up against a team with Dhelmise atm btw

>>31272755
Is that Shofu commenting?

>>31273010
No, it's Joe Brown (a big fat man who can work a beard) and Daniel Levinson (a small, fit man with facial hair so bad I felt the need to make this post)

>>31273035
yeah my mistake, Joe has a similar voice though

http://pastebin.com/8Vhk4Z90

So I've been having a pretty good time with this team, but as I climb higher on the ladder I realize I don't really have an answer to rain. Golduck+Pelipper just swept me pretty handily. I used to run Freeze Dry Ninetales instead of Milotic, I might switch back to that since it shits on Pelipper. I think not having a strong electric move is one of my team's biggest weaknesses, but I don't know what I'd take off or put on to remedy that. I'd appreciate a bit of help, thanks.

Any Hailfags here?

I wanna try a Hail team. Any protips?

>>31274111
Ice is my favorite type and I wanna run hail so bad, but I think I'll wait until both hail and Ice get properly buffed in 2033.

>>31274069
While it might not outright beat it, you could try Maranga Gastrodon. Don't forget to pack Toxic and Recover so you can stay and be an annoying shit. Also, unrelated, but you might want to use 148 Atk / 108 Def on your Bulu so it can always survive a Poison Jab from Garchomp; going 252 Atk with CB is just overkill, and with 148 you'll still shit out huge amounts of damage.

So in 2017 they only ban Pre-Bank Pokémon yes, not moves that can only be bred through Pre-Bank mons

>>31274297
Thanks for the EV tip, I was hoping someone could help me tweak them a bit.

Why Maranga Berry? As far as special attacks go, I can't think of many I'd be switching it in on that it isn't immune to (water/electric), and people tend to target the slug with physical grass moves to kill it.

I'm not sure what I'd swap out for Gastrodon. I guess having it and Milotic is redundant, so I'd take Milotic off but I put Milotic on there to deal with Intimidate, which is really annoying to my team.

>>31274543
Yea

MSS final on @libertygarden

VIKABALK

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>Get paralyzed
>actives immediately
Every Time

>>31266696
>>31266746
>>31267085
The best of those battlespot series is Ray Rizzo's.
He explains himself really well, probably because he was a commentator.

>>31276215
It's too bad Ray lost his spark and now he's a jobber. What went wrong?

>>31276327
allegedly he got really busy in 2014 and didn't practice very much.
then after he fucked up worlds 2014 he pretty much stopped playing for the next two years.
But he did go x-3 in London D1 without any practice which is pretty impressive, this year could be his comeback.

>>31276459
I've always liked Ray's playstyle.

He makes seemingly generic teams at first glance but they always have non-standard movesets and little touches here and there that sets them apart from the rest.

>>31276459
True.
2011's Ray was a beast.

>>31276597
but was he an Ultra Beast?

>>31276555
pretty much every good player does that with teambuilding. it shows that they're cognizant of what goals their specific team needs to achieve instead of using good mons for the sake of being good.

>>31275636
You should've played better to prevent that paralysis anon! Didn't you know that if you get haxxed is your fault got getting yourself in a position where the hax was possible in first player? You are such a shitty player anon!

>>31277322
You sound salty.

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>>31277322

>>31277322
did someone called you a faggot for blaming hax for every loss?

>>31277389
>>31277603
>>31277696
Ebin samefag.

Keep the (you) coming.

>>31277389
>>31277603
>>31277696
he's making fun of the "luck management" meme every top player spouts when someone complains about hax. he doesn't earnestly believe what he's posting you retards.

>>31278075
>he's making fun of the "luck management" meme every top player spouts when someone complains about hax
Yes, because he's salty.

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What's the memest team you've tried so far on the format? How successful was your run with it?

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>>31278109
I laddered with a Hail Room team on Showdown a couple of weeks ago. I got up to the 1500s before I gave up on the team.

http://pastebin.com/s7b27up2

>>31278502
What's with those EVs in Sandslash?

>Icicle Spear over Crash
My nigga.

>>31278556
Enough speed to Outrun Koko while putting the rest in bulk to live stuff like Xurkitree's t-bolt

Aside from that outdated Tapu Fini build and Magnezone, everything else is fine.

>>31278109
I'm now using Charjabug for lols but it's actually pretty cool

Anyone had any success with Machamp?

I know it's a fairy meta, but it's pretty slow, No Guard Dynamic Punch is still really great and with Z move, you can probably one-shit porygon 2 through an Intimidate.

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>>31278109
Eeveeboost. Undefeated on Showdown (20-0) and 0-10 losses on Battlespot.

lel

>>31280054
>you can probably one-shit porygon 2 through an Intimidate.

you are underestimating how bulky cyber duck is with that stupid purple rock
>-1 252+ Atk Machamp All-Out Pummeling (180 BP) vs. 244 HP / 92 Def Eviolite Porygon2: 150-176 (78.5 - 92.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>31280127
Showdown is shit.

>>31280129
Damn, Porygon is way too phat.

What can we do? Close Combat Defiant Braviary with fighting Z move? Am I drifting into Verlis territory?

>>31280129
Fucking Christ.

Fuck this Tapu dominated meta not leaving space for Fighting types and fuck Gamefreak for not putting Tutors.

>>31280224
Yes. Very. Settle with a 2ko or Toxic it's shit up. Really nothing much else you can do.

>>31280390
The Fairies aren't really the problem for fighting types. The problem is the same as VGC 2015; The best Pokemon in the format is a normal Type and since normal's only weakness is a purely physical typing, Intimidate prevents it from doing anything.

Mega Kangaskhan wasn't a problem because it was Mega Kangaskhan, it was a problem because Landorus-T was around and made it impossible to OHKO.

>>31280442
>since normal's only weakness is a purely physical typing, Intimidate prevents it from doing anything.
Special equivalent of Conkeldurr with new moves and abilities to make it happen when?

>>31280545
I don't know, but I really can't wait for a 130+ sp.atk no guard fighting type with access to Focus Blast.

Or at least something that can use Aura Sphere as something other than a meme move.

>SM damage calc is now on Trainer Tower
so is NB just going down the shitter now or what?

>>31281238
>Going down
It's been in the shitter for the last year or so.

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Screen peaking is confirmed as a Nintendo-approved strategy

>about to lose
>opponent forfeits

>>31280442
This anon gets it.

I suppose the good thing is that most Pory2's are built so defensively they do very little damage overall. So unlike with M-Khan there is no overwhelming rush to take it out.

>>31280576
>>31280576
It speaks volumes when this is almost the only reason you see Kommo-O get played.

>252+ SpA Kommo-o All-Out Pummeling (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 76+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 176-210 (91.6 - 109.3%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

That is a pretty good roll considering it's a fairly well invested Pory2 which shows why people are using Kommo-O, it's about the only thing which can legitimately threaten Pory2 on the special side. The only way Pory2 should ever survive that Z Focus Blast is if it is absolutely or close to max 252HP/252+ S.Def.

Really if there is any reason ever to pack as much anti-fairy/psychic slaughter material as possible it's to allow Kommo-O to function.

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Ignore the terrible play, is Psychic Terrain on switch unable to stop priorities or did that guy run a fucking air baloon Persian?

>>31281806
Forgot replay: 4TJW-WWWW-WWW4-9YZX

>>31270649
Instead of derailing the thread, if you really want to share something post your team.

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>>31281624
>About to lose
>Opponent does something he should not have and you turn around the match

>>31281732
At least Fightinium somewhat helps with Focus Miss, sure, it's just one time, but fuck if it does not help.

I seriously don't get Gamefreak's reluctance to distribute Aura Sphere at all.

>>31281806
>>31281809
Vikavolt has Levitate lad. He can't into Terrains.

>>31281806
Psychic Terrain *protects* grounded Pokémon from priority moves, not *prevents* grounded Pokémon from using priority moves.
Vikavolt isn't grounded, so it can be affected by priority moves.

>>31281907
>>31281956
Thanks, I thought it was the other way around.

>>31281956
Unless the priority user has mold breaker.

>>31281984
Which gives us Bullet Punch Pangoro and Feint Pinsir.

>>31281984
Are you sure? Mold Breaker usually just affects protection by abilities. Terrain is a separate mechanic from abilities, even if it's summoned by one.
A Mold Breaker can't use Water moves in P-Groudon's sun, for instance, since the Sun is counted as a field effect, not just Groudon's ability.

>>31282003
>using pinsir or pangoro in vgc

>>31282019
That's the joke anon. That they are shitty mons no one would use even with that little niche they have.

>>31282018
Mold Breaker is cancelling levitate and making the opponent act grounded.

>>31282029
Except they would be hit priority Mold Breaker or not because they aren't grounded in the first place and ergo not having terrain protection.

>>31282029
Oh right, I thought you were saying the other way around.
Does Mold Breaker also stop Fire moves dealing double damage to Bewear?

>>31282038
They're only not grounded because of Levitate, which mold breaker ignores.
You also can't status levitate mons in misty if you have mold breaker.
>>31282039
I don't see why it wouldn't.

Hibiki is streaming a Vienna MSS on his twitch if anyone cares

>>31282265
what's the exact twitch name?
also, did libertygarden's streaming end yearterday?

>>31282292
bsdpokemon

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Twitch channels streaming Midseason Showdowns right now:

victoryroadvgc (Barcenola)
bsdpokemon (Vienna)

>Kartana
>Arcanine
>Milotic
>Lele
>A-Raichu
>A-Muk

vs

>Kartana
>Garchomp
>Aracanine
>Fini
>A-Muk
>Porygon 2

No commentary is really refreshing.

>>31282662
Reported. This had nothing to do with Pokemon, much less VGC.

Gigalith
Garchomp
Pelipper
Golduck
Vikavolt
Oranguru

vs

Nihilego
Koko
Gastrodon
Garchomp
A-Raichu

Shonatron's Chicken-chan is pretty cute desu.

>>31282662
>thread

>>31282662
>mentally ill continues to seek attention

>>31282704
>>31282704
triggered hon detected, and they are VGC players

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What's the best item for incineroar currently?
Will it be the same item when hidden ability becomes available?

>>31283105
who gives a fuck?

>opponent sends in Talonflame
>have it in my mind that it doesn't have priority
I'm a retard

>>31283128
The opposite for me.

I feel bad for Talonflame now. I've yet to fight one that does anything besides set-up Tailwind and then die.

I miss my Bravest Bird.

>>31283229
I don't understand how he ever seemed so powerful with only base 81 attack. I remember sweeping entire teams with that faggot.

>>31283128
>>31283229
Apparently I forgot that Z-move BRavest Bird still has prio. And doesn't get recoil. It's pretty neat tech, and faced it a few times now.

Seeing Garchomp+Vikavolt DisQuake makes me mad as fuck because I was hoping to make a DisQuake core with Pom Pom Oricorio and Garchomp. Fuck you Gamefreak.

>>31283334
Because 120BP moves made up for it.

>>31283334
Its damage output is never as high as people expect unless it's got super effective, sun boost etc.
Its value is in the fact that it's practically impossible to completely block it. It gets KOs late game, after chip damage.

A lot of teams honestly would have benefitted from something like Staraptor instead though though.

>Bravest Bird Koko
Madman.

>>31283454
fuck off

>>31283454
In fairness, Wolfe was talking for ages about how physical Tapu Koko is the greatest thing ever.

>>31283582
>Wolfe was talking for ages
No, he talked about it just in one video. And he even retconned it in one of his latest videos, saying that special Koko is currently better.

>about how physical Tapu Koko is the greatest thing ever.
He never implyied such thing. It was just the initial thought (that most of the players had) that Koko was going to be a physical attacker, just because the attack stat was higher than the special one.

>>31283636
Calm down Wolfe.

>>31283660

Guy defending wolfey >>31283660
Guy against wolfey >>31283660

Are you sure you quoted the right post?

>>31283334
>so powerful with only base 81 attack
You've just learnt how game changing a high BP move can be despite poor stats a 20BP difference is on average around 10-15% more powerful.

>silvally in finals
neat

Bulu is a weird Pokemon, I rarely find myself actually doing anything with it other than getting the terrain up, maybe protecting for a turn and then switching back out

>>31283957
How can't you find yourself clicking WOODO HAMMA 90% of the time?

>>31283868
what type is it?

>>31284069
Ground.

>Ninetales and Politoed
NANI!?

>>31284103
keikaku doori

>>31284144
Well, he's getting rekt so...

is this streaming Bo1?

>>31284164
It's Bo3

>Porygon 2 tanks a Koko's Gigavolt Havoc
Fucking Christ.

Remove cyberduck.

>Silvally will never do anything but job whenever it's on a stream

>>31284325
>he missed the last set

>>31284245
not running knock off to deal with cyberduck and coach monkey

>>31284536
I would if my options weren't limited to Muk, Muk and, uh, Muk.

>>31284584
shit you're right, i haven't noticed that

>>31284584
Hariyama gets it too. Plus Fake Out and Wide Guard

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>>31284103

>>31284584
muk is really worth it tho, it easily deals with cyberduck, oraguru, tapus, a-raichu, a-marowak
and poison tocuh poison jab hax is great too

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Can I get a goddamn link to the stream?

>>31285405
Just go to Twitch, search Sun and Moon and look for any channel with a few hundred viewers and the word "VGC".

Guys, how do I deal with Tapu Finni effectively?

>>31284584
Hariyama, Machamp, Sableye as well.

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>>31285064
>2017
>poison touch muk

I'm still trying to figure out how to deal with rain. Someone suggested Gastrodon to me yesterday, but it's too passive. Rain mons can't kill it, but it can't touch them back and if they have a Kartana, they can just pick the slug off at their leisure. Nothing on my team can stand up to Pelipper+Golduck, even 252 hp/252 spd Celesteela is almost OHKO'd by Hydro Vortex. Maybe I should embrace the duck, the only mon who can (sometimes) survive a combined attack by the rain leads but even that barely makes it through. I'll try going back to Ninetales to fuck with their weather, see how that goes.

Man, I did not realize Golduck hits as fast and as hard as Kingdra.

>>31286052
>using gimmick alchemy or useless gluttony over glorious poison touch

>>31286152
have you tried magnezone?

>>31286298
Y'know, that's a great idea, thanks anon. My team lacks an electric type, and when I was thinking about using electric to deal with the rain leads, I realized Tapu Koko just gets outsped and slaughtered by Golduck so I shelved that idea. Magnezone wasn't even on my mind for whatever reason. It'd be nice for opposing Celesteela too. Is Specs the best Magnezone set?

>>31286611
I've been using air balloon for synergy purposes but i've used specs too and it was pretty good, I only stoped because i kind of dropped the team all together

>>31286298
magnezone can't really take the rain attacks though

>>31286811
True, though if I make them choose between Magnezone and Bulu, their rain sweeper is going down. At least it can't be OHKO'd.

>>31286152
You'll want AV Goodra.

It almost single handedly man handles Rain teams but a little support can't hurt either.

Pelipper/Golduck/Koko are just simply doing fuck all damage to it.

Bulu/Kartana who show up regularly on rain teams are free powerups for it. It's fire attacks may be culled but it'll be fine when everything is bouncing off it and it has a decent partner.

>I'll try going back to Ninetales to fuck with their weather, see how that goes.
Don't bother, Ninetales is a free kill.

It's too fast so always loses the weather war and it doesn't have any resists either so can't switch in or trade blows. Best it can do is OHKO Pelipper but they almost always run Sash now so you end up losing. It's even worse when it is one of those rare Politoed rain teams.

>>31287378
I remember when AV Goodra was a meme last gen, nice to see it finally shine. How's it built?

>>31287568
Dark Psiana's Goodra build is a decent starting point.

Goodra @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sap Sipper
Level: 50
EVs: 188 HP / 164 Def / 156 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
– Draco Meteor
– Sludge Bomb
– Thunderbolt
– Dragon Pulse

EV spread is to live adamant Garchomp's dragon claw and not get 2HKOed by Kartana's smart strike and Lele's moonblast. It also has enough Spatk to 2HKO Max HP Lele with sludge bomb.

Keep in mind that this build is slightly outdated (it was played during the London's internationals).

>>31288153
I've been running it with Power Whip. Faced one rain team with it so far and won, it does seem like a great answer to that weather and I like how it pairs with my Milotic. Actually, I'll just post my now hopefully improved (though I've been on tilt all day) team, see what people think of it:
http://pastebin.com/fnFEjRNS

I've noticed Marowak is starting to become dead weight as it gets outsped and beat up by so many mons in the meta. Might swap it for an Arcanine.

>>31288842
4 Atk Goodra Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Politoed in Grassy Terrain: 174-206 (88.3 - 104.5%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

Not bad

>Pheromosa gets paralyzed
>It's still the fastest thing on the field
This thing is too damn fast.

>>31290163
Paralyze speed nerf was unnecessary. Maybe even outright bad.

>>31290163
It's ridiculous how many people run 252 Speed with an increasing nature, too. 92+ or 236 Neutral is enough to outspeed base 130s.

I know that Tailwind, Dragon Dancers and Paralysis can be a problem, but overinvesting in speed is so stupid if you're going to outspeed anyway.

>>31290217
I think the full para was the thing they should've nerfed, not the speed drop.

>>31290294
What bothers me the most it that they get a useless boost in speed. I know the thing probably won't last too much on the field, but an ofensive boost is almost guaranteed to be more useful

>>31290294
What are you going to put all those EVs then? It's not like the thing can survive anything with over 5% HP. It's either that or wasting them on HP or defenses.

>>31290381
Special attack, obviously.

>>31290426
But what if I don't use special attacks?

>>31290506
Then at least go Adamant, not Jolly.
The main point is that making speed your biggest stat (as many players do) is actively a hindrance.

>>31288895
js when are you going to have grassy terrain up against politoed but only be able to attack it with goodra

saving this thread

I miss real weather

The butchery we have now is not real weather

Room Wars when?

Orlando midseason showdown is streaming on twitch /pokemon_vgc_center if anyone is interested

>>31292722
bump

>>31266340
vgc set on twitch / smogonu rn, featuring a double belly drum TR team with non-guts hariyama

>>31293393
>stream offline
Did I just miss it?

>>31266340
So quick question that I'm sure will be answered while I watch the beginners guide, but when does VGC 2017 start? Like how does it work to enter?

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Is this a legal team and what's a good 6th?

>>31294146
>aegislash
no it isn't legal

>>31294146
it's not legal and talonflame and lycanroc both suck ass anyway

>>31294146
Aegislash is not legal. The dog is, but isn't great. Talonflame is alright, but much worse than last years.
It's not a great idea to have that many ground weak mons either. A Mudsdale kinda shits on you big time

What's a good check to Porygon2 and/or Metagross?

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So how does this team look? I'm putting it into Showdown right now, but I feel like it's pretty solid

>>31294918
Oh, forgot to mention that Slowking is a Trick Room user as well

>>31294790
>>31294171
>>31294329
What can I swap around to make it better? I wanna start off with Keku/Raichu and play off from that,

>>31266340
Is Buzzwole viable at all or do the Tapu cuck him out of any viability?

I've been using this site lately, I think that they use showdown data for their rankings/info

http://www.pikalytics.com/

Is Koko/Lele/Metagross/Pelipper/Duck/Kartana the new meta? I fought this team 5 times in a row on showdown yesterday.

Also, is Eeveeboost a thing or is everyone running Taunt/Roar now?

>>31296293
>-1 252+ Atk Buzzwole All-Out Pummeling (190 BP) vs. 244 HP / 92 Def Eviolite Porygon2: 164-194 (85.8 - 101.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

Calc says no. Remember to thank your local Intimidate user for making fighting types invalid since 2008.

>>31296293
I wouldn't recommend it. If you want a slow Fighting type that's good with TR, go with Hariyama.

>>31296682
It's just cybertron's team, people always copy him especially new players

>>31296746
Didn't his team had Xurkitree over Koko and Gyarados over Kartana?

I have to say though, that I found Lele + Metagross very underwhelming. I found myself wishing I could Bullet Punch more often than not when using that pair.

>>31296793
That was the old version of the team that he failed in London with

>>31296746
Oh okay. Just asking, because my current team has kind-of a hard matchup against it, because I'm slower.

My team, still testing:

Tapu Koko @ Life Orb
Ability: Electric Surge
Level: 50
EVs: 28 HP / 252 SpA / 228 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Protect
- Thunderbolt
- Thunder
- Dazzling Gleam

Pelipper @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
EVs: 172 HP / 148 SpA / 188 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hurricane
- Scald
- Soak
- Ice Beam

Kartana @ Assault Vest
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 116 HP / 52 Atk / 4 Def / 132 SpD / 204 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Sacred Sword
- Smart Strike
- Night Slash

Lucario @ Focus Sash
Ability: Inner Focus
Level: 50
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Roar
- Follow Me
- Bullet Punch

Krookodile @ Groundium Z
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 32 SpD / 220 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang
- Crunch

Gengar @ Ghostium Z
Ability: Cursed Body
Level: 50
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Protect
- Shadow Ball
- Sludge Bomb
- Taunt

The idea is to meme on people with Soak+Thunder or Soak+Leaf Blade, but there is a little more going on.

Gengar and Lucario counter Trick Room through various means (neither can be faked out. Gengar can Taunt Porygon and Lucario can Roar mental herbs). GhostiumZ Gengar also does a shitload of damage, it's a great nuke against a lot of things on neutral and Bullet Punch is a super good move.

Kartana is Assvest, because it needs to be in order to check Double Duck. Krookodile carries a nuke and Fire Fang, because fuck other Kartanas.

>>31286282
>implying gluttony with 25% berry is useless

>>31274111
I run Ninetales A by itself, the only good synergy is Sandslash A for the slush rush, although my Oranguru instructing blizzards from Ninetales works fine as well, don't see much more hail team working because of fire fucking you up

>2012+5
>Not using Crabominable to counter Cyber Duck under TR

>>31274111
checked

Alolan Ninetails is a good pokemon, because of Aurora Veil, a Strong Spread Move and it's ability to hit Watertypes hard with Stab.

Just take care not to use it on a team with a non-ice type holding a sash.

Despite having Aurora Veil, Hail puts you into a very agressive direction. Don't focus too much on Bulky-grassy terrain healing strats or fat water types like Molitc or Gastrodon. You want to hit hard and fast.

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>last turn of trick room
>arcanine vs. porygon2
>porygon2 has enough health such that one burn-out by arcanine would take it out

>porygon2 uses thunderbolt
>arcanine gets paralyzed
>10% chance of happening
>arcanine gets fully paralyzed that turn
>2.5% chance of happening

>trick room ends
>use the move
>arcanine is fully paralyzed again and dies that turn

>mfw this timeline had a 0.625% chance of happening.

Redpill me on Silvally lads

I need ground coverage for my team but I've got Bulu so he's one of the few options I have.

>>31274111
The chip damage is useful on your opponent's team, but be wary of it on your team, as well.

If you have pokemon that are bulky, but aren't bulky enough for one of the 1/2 hp berries to be useful, hail works pretty well in being able to stall to get to 25% health, in my experience. I have personally found hail harder to use, but once you get used to working with it, it gets pretty good at pressuring your team.

I've mostly used ninetales-a, so I can't speak for for the >icecream but be wary of opposing weather, as ninetales is probably the fastest weather setter in the game. This is good when your opponent can't counter the weather, and bad when they can.

If you want to be real a cheeky memer, you can give your Ninetales hail. I haven't personally done this, but I tend not use all four move slots, and I have encounted many scenarios where this would have been useful, and might even be good for baiting weather teams.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7vgc2017-513857867

>>31297942
Yes, that's the main use case for Ground Silvally.

>>31297942
Mudsdale likes Grassy Terrain. Anything about it that doesn't fit your team?

Evoboost was a mistake

>>31298958
This team relies on switches more than your usual team so I wanted something bringing me ground coverage while also being able to switch with one more for a side-benefit. Mudsdale prefers to stay in for long periods of time so he doesn't mix well overall.

So my options were Intimidate Krookodile, who can't into grassy, Special Flygon with U-Turn but lol Flygon so that left Silvally with Parting Shot.

>>31299108
>silvally with parting shot
anon...

>>31299118
I can still use it on Showdown.

Plus, it'll get fixed on Battle Spot soon too. R-Right?

>>31299131
when bank comes out probably.

>>31274111
Decide what kind of Hail team you want.

Whilst everyone sings praises for Ninetales because it is good, keep in mind that the best performing hail teams tend to use Vanilluxe so see which setter suits you.

Don't just instantly assume you have to run Ice types to take advantage of Hail, anything which doesn't mind the chip damage is perfectly fine. Realistically the only Pokemon that can take advantage of Hail directly are Froslass, Sandslash and Glaceon, two only decent, one just bad.

Watch out for your Steel and Fire weaknesses, no matter how you build a Hail team you're going to be shitting those weaknesses both offensively and defensively.

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I never thought I'd miss MegaMom in my VGC teams.

>>31300098
I miss easy-mode pick mega and build around it team-building.

>Trying a new team
>It's doing rather well, win more than I lose
>Notice that I'm +1700
>That can't be right, it's a new team
>Notice that I forgot to change my name so I've been playing on the high ladder from the get-go
>Which means the team is half-decent because I've been playing with half-decent people all along
Feels good man.

>>31297912
take it easy anon, that means that 99,375% of the times, you win that game, which is something good.

How do you counter Lele?

>>31300964
>Figy not even on Muk's list of items
This is too old now

>>31300949
>>31300964
>>31301008
Can you please stop shilling your shitty graphics, ProfShroomish? They're outdated as fuck and are literally useless by now.

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>>31301015
>>31301103
last one

Any streamings right now?

When is St. Louis?

Leech Seed was a mistake

>>31301639
>Still having issues with Celesteela
What's this? November?

>That Pokemon that always fucks your shit up even if you carry a team made from 6 hard counters
What his name?

>>31301704
And Bulu

I just hate slow it makes matches

Is there a speed calculator I can use?

I wanted to see if a Shell Smashing Minior with max IV/EV investment can outspeed Pheromosa with max investment

>>31301818
Speaking of Bulu, you'd think he would see more use now with Fini everywhere but nothing at all.

>>31301830
It's called basic math lad.

Go look up Minior max speed, look up Pheromosa max speed. Now multiply Minior's max speed by 2.

>>31301856
Oh duh, of course. Thanks famalam

Do you guys legit get your pokemon or cheat them in

>>31301933
We all get them legitly.

>>31301830
>>31301918
Open wide

http://www.trainertower.com/vgc-2017-speed-tiers/

>>31301933
Please don't turn this into an injecting is cheating thread

t. breederfag

On a side note, White Herb or Focus Sash on Minior?

>>31301967
I'm against cheating i was just asking

>>31301967
Also injecting is cheating

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>>31301953
http://www.trainertower.com/dutch-open-2017/

Huh, I hadn't seen these results before.

>>31302004
>Netherlands
>Rafik Sadli
Every time.

>>31301989
verlis...

reminder injecting is cheating

>>31302148
Then why haven't I been banned from competition yet? Checkmate, breedfags

>>31302178
J-Just wait until Gen 8! I'm sure Gamefreak will be able to detect it then! Haha! Your days are counter injecfags!

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>>31302148

Could you guys help me out with my team? It seems decent so far, but i'm still making changes and would like to see what you guys think.

http://pastebin.com/xFjmrzby

>>31302472
Looks pretty standard at first glance. What are you dissatisfied with or having problems with?

Redpill me on the VGC community /vgcg/

>>31302004
Tapu Fini is a meme, it sucks.

>>31302835
Why does Fini suck?

Do we really still not know where Worlds is this year? When I went to Boston in 2015 we found out the 2016 location literally the second Boston ended

>>31302494
Not much I really like it so far, i'm just not good when it comes to team building and was wondering if there's something I overlooked.

>>31302868
California. I'm pretty sure it was announced right when Worlds ended this year.

>>31302868
Anaheim we already knew that since worlds

>>31302867
It gets fucked by two other Tapus, has to use 80% accurate moves to do water stab and hits like a wet sponge.

>>31302938
>>31302885

Thanks, couldn't find this info anywhere

oh fug...

>>31301835
As a Bulu user, I hate seeing Fini. It outspeeds me and takes a huge chunk of health with Moonblast, over 50%, and if I'm lucky enough to get that one Wood Hammer off before being killed by something, the recoil basically kills me. Strangely enough, I find Bulu has a better matchup against Koko.

Suggestions for 6th member?

Exeggutor-Alola @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Harvest
EVs: 252 HP / 92 Def / 164 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Protect
- Leaf Storm
- Draco Meteor
- Trick Room

Oranguru @ Mental Herb
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 20 SpA / 92 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Psychic
- Instruct
- Trick Room
- Protect

Hariyama @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Fake Out
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Poison Jab

Torkoal @ Charcoal
Ability: Drought
EVs: 116 HP / 252 SpA / 140 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Eruption
- Flamethrower
- Solar Beam
– Protect

Mudsdale @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
Brave Nature
- High Horsepower
- Earthquake
- Heavy Slam
– Close Combat

https://youtu.be/V72H1nzrjL0?t=1282
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>>31304195
>not using speedy bulu

>>31305264
>>31302332

>>31302747
fuck off, bby

>>31302868
Nobody's talking about it because Anaheim fucking sucks after
>San Francisco
>Boston'
>Washington
>Vancouver
>Hawaii

>>31305279
>guys why is my bulu taking too many hits and dying
gee I wonder
maybe if you weren't so slow

oh shit

>>31305264
>damage calculator has 28 speed EVs down for both the CM and Specs Fini sets
>Bulu needs to run 116 speed EVs just to creep that
That's a lot of lost bulk and/or power.

I need help picking out a final team member.

So far there are a lot of options. Milotic Muk Gastrodon Mimikyu Garchomp Kartana Marowak etc. But I don't know what to use.

Might also consider getting rid of Celesteela for something else idk

http://pastebin.com/tFcw4es1

>>31306875
The lost bulk in most scenarios is neglectable in exchange for beating something it should normally do so.

Face it, if Bulu is going down it's usually due to suicide or getting raped on one of it's weakness and if it's Poison no amount of bulk will save you anyway.

>>31307910
so what's the exact EV's you run on your Bulu then? I'm thinking about picking one up and if speedy Bulu is better i'd like to know your set.

Rate my team? I need help making it better.

http://pastebin.com/fm4DuPVU

>>31307910
>and if it's Poison no amount of bulk will save you anyway.
252 Atk Garchomp Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 108 Def Tapu Bulu: 148-176 (83.6 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

That's what I run after someone in the thread recommended it the other day. 148 in attack seems plenty, I even swapped the CB for Miracle Seed so I could run protect and it still gets its KOs. I think I will give speedy Bulu a try though.

>Not using scarf Bulu

has anyone used all 4 tapus in a team?

>not using Speed Swap Ribombee plus Bulu

>>31310857
Has anyone used 6 UBs in a team?

>>31311535
A guy went x-3 in Dallas with an all-ub team.

>All these fucking Liligant/Pheromosa+Oricorio teams I've been seeing lately
Is this the new hottest memeteam?

Im new to VGC and have this dumb idea to make a rain/trick room team.
Is it possible or am i just retarded?

>>31312050
Trick Room and weather are both extremely viable in VGC right now. You should do your own research and actually watch regional coverage and see what people have been successful with.

>>31312050
Outright rainroom doesn't make much sense but Politoed itself works fine in trick room.

page 10 bump

>>31311547
Wait, what does that do?

>>31315455
lilligant quiver dances and so does oricorio i'm assuming

So with bank hitting in a week or so, what changes do y'all predict to VGC17? All I can think of is Fake Out making Salazzle a niche choice, is there any wild predictions folks want to throw out there?

>>31316192
intimidate incineroar will be released

>>31316251
That's not how it works

>>31316192
Mandibuzz will run Knock Off over Foul Play.
Power Swap is back, so expect potential Exeggutor shenanigans.

Oh and Marowak gets Detect now, so you style on the fags using Protect.

>>31316324
>Mandibuzz Knock Off
Okay, that sounds legit. I guess we will be seeing more Sitrus Berry/X Seed Mandibuzz Tailwind leads?
>Power Swap is back, so expect potential Exeggutor shenanigans
Gonna need to explain this one to me, I honestly don't follow what you are talking about on this one. Is Alolan Eggy gonna be usable though? Because that would be noice.
>Marowak Detect
Well apart from styling on the one guy at the tournament running Imprison I guess that is mostly style points.

Anything else though? This could be a very underwhelming Bank update, unless they bundle it with HA Gen VII starters or something.

Any common DD Gyara spreads? What speed should it hit?

>>31316367
>Anything else though?
We'll have a preview of VGC18 in battlepost doubles

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What did they mean by this?

>>31316444
That's not new, we've known it for a while.
It doesn't effect VGC or the VGC battlespot.

>>31316367
>Gonna need to explain this one to me, I honestly don't follow what you are talking about on this one.
http://nuggetbridge.com/reports/eggscelent-execution/

>>31316465
>announced today on Japanese PGL
>known for a while

Ok.

>>31316511
It's not my fault you never read the manual faggot
https://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/support/2/en/manual/manual_battle/basic-rules/
>Only Pokémon obtained through normal play or received as a gift at an official event or promotion with Pokémon Sun, Pokémon Moon, Pokémon X, Pokémon Y, Pokémon Omega Ruby, and Pokémon Alpha Sapphire may participate.
Been there since SM came out.

>>31316475
Oh, so basically just the old Eggy set updated to Alolan Egg? Gotcha. With that being said, I do think that Calm Mind Tapu Fini vs Power Swap Alolan Exeggutor might be interesting. Not every day I think of a dragon as countering a Fairy.

>>31316526
anon...

Fuck Z-move Pheramosa up the ass, it's so hard to play around

>>31317044
"pheramosa" is really easy to deal with

>>31317044
What's so hard about switching a ghost in?

>>31317210
that there are no ghosts in this format

>>31316763
ew

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>>31317232
???

>>31317256
>megas in vgc 2017

>>31317261
I used the filter in Showdown. Stop being obtuse.

>>31316763
What does it mean?
Some VGC player are cuckoos that kick other players out of the nest and become commentators/businessmen?

I give up on Silvally

Everytime I bring it it's just a dead-weight.

Nice gods killer you made there Lusamine

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Migrate whenever:

>>31317435
>>31317435
>>31317435
>>31317435