Pokemon Mystery Dungeon General /PMDG/ It's back! edition

I've genuinely only played Red Rescue. I enjoyed that a fuckton and it has countless hours of playtime on it. If I'm gonna get another mystery dungeon game which one should I go for?

>>31159339
Old thread >>31079477

>>31159377
Explorers can be emulated but Super is the most recent entry and is good, also considered to be the most difficult entry of the series

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>>31159339
>we have to gather links again

>>31159377
It depends on what do you like about them
If you like the story then pick Explorers of sky Which is the third version of Explorers of time and explorers of darkness, and then play Gates to Infinity
If you like the gameplay then Super mystery dungeon is the best one
Nevertheless you should play all of them since they're fun.

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>>31159339
>and why Super wasn't as good
super was my favorite

:D

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>>31159339
>look at Rescue Team
>About 35 Pokemon can be found only in Lv. 1 dungeons and they're the lowest stage so no bypassing with evolution
>certain evolution items are found only in Wish Cave

What the fuck was Chunsoft's problem back then?

>>31159339
>/pmdg/ "what went wrong?" edition

>>31159484
It was the first pokemon mystery dungeon, it was bound to get a fuckton of shit wrong.
what i don't understand is why the fuck they never brought back the pokemon Zoo

>>31159586
>what i don't understand is why the fuck they never brought back the pokemon Zoo
Not as efficient, I guess? Personally really liked it as you really felt like you were filling up a collection, but not like you were storing everyone away in a pc box either.
Some of the areas had cool music too.

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>your main is not going to return
>the next MD is only going to add the gen 7 starters and rockruff

>>31159339
I think we've kinda covered what we were disappointed with in Super pretty well.

I think there could be some topics to discuss such as:
>comics and fanfiction, both decent and cringy
>new MD wishes and speculations
>memes and reaction images
>what went right with Super

>>31159645
>your main is not going to return
rip machop
Honestly what I got in Red

>>31159653
>comics and fanfiction, both decent and cringy
Anyone else remember pmde? Creator took down and locked away literally all her stuff regarding the group.
There's this too, unrelated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2HRmlhjklE

>>31159653
>new MD wishes and speculations
Gumshoos will replace Magnezone

Salandit will be a bastard and Salazzle will be the honest mother with a piece of shit son

>>31159484
How about the Howling Forest exclusive Pokemon that had an extremely shit encounter rate.

>>31159645
is this the second most OP PMD starter besides chespin?

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HaaH WaaW

https://archiveofourown.org/series/547813

>>31160249
no shilling allowed

How long you guys think it will take for the next PMD to be announced?, from what i see for the other games, it always is 1 year before the next gen.

>>31159645
as long as the story is good i don't care

>>31160208
You're saying that because of dragon rage?, because if you are then it would be a tie with charmander, since it can also learn dragon rage

>>31160561
no, because dragon dance and stab double chop

>>31160568
This. Double chop was OP in Gates, especially since you can "train" your moves in Gates and Super, so it can gain a humongous base power, and it's easy to train due to the high amount of PP, and hitting twice often makes it a kill.

>>31159905
>exeggcute has 0.61% on one floor
>pidgey 1.5% on few
>chansey appears only on few floors of joyous tower with similarly shit rate

i suffer

Super was my first (and at the time of writing this, only) mystery dungeon game. Can somebody explain to me why super isn't as good as the others?

>>31160704
I still prefer rescue team to explorers

>>31160711
difference of tastes
some people prefer the story in other games and some people prefer the IQ system (which was a secondary levelling system that got you skills like the ones emeras give you) over looplets

super has the best gameplay desu and the increase in difficulty is welcome to me

>>31160704
Don't forget Snorlax as well. It even has a low recruit rate.

>>31160734
Don't forget the recruit system changing.

>>31160782
not being able to get doubles of pokemon I can understand people being upset about but anyone who prefers shit like this >>31160704 over the connection orb recruits can suck a dick

the perfect system would allow for both so people can build more teams with doubles in while not requiring people farm single floors of dungeons for rare spawns (which then have low recruitment rates)

finished sky's story a few days back
feels everywhere

>>31160711
op here, i wrote that because last thread was everyone was saying how they liked Sky better than Super.
Super is probably the best PMD if we're talking about gameplay alone, though many people don't like it's story since for many it feels rushed, some don't liked the school part, it doesn't develop any character other than the partner and it's main antagonist is a cheap badly done copy of the one in Gates to infinity.

So which is better, Rescue Team or Super?
http://www.strawpoll.me/12007897
the poll looks a bit fucked up for some reason

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>>31159410
That won't be too much of a problem. Most of the threads from last year are archived on nyaafuu, so finding the format for the old OP is as easy as few quick searches.

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>>31159339
>not naming it "Break System sucks edition"
I was gonna make a thread if i didn't see one, i still have the OP text. Here it is

PSMD and Gates download: http://pastebin.com/kh7GcnYm

Check the guides at >>>/vg/hbg if you don't know how to install the game. You won't lose any online features or anything doing so, don't worry. You'll be able to do everything that you'd normally be able to and much more!

MD Exploration Pack, which contains a DS emulator and roms, Wiiware roms, and custom portraits: https://mega.nz/#F!gFlVkSLI!tXbyoO5rwfUYnb9jf7yVsQ

/vp/'s Mystery Dungeon guides: http://pastebin.com/Dbq61R5u

PSMD Wondermail codes: http://www.cpokemon.com/2015/11/24/todas-las-contrasenas-wonder-mail-

REMINDER: If you need a rescue, post your region. Due to a few things that make no sense, rescues are region locked. It's shitty, but be sure to mention if you're European or American.

>>31159645
>implying that stops me

Both Wooper/Mareep were starters at one point, so i dont care

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>/pmdg/ is back
wew lad

I'm currently working on a mystery dungeon themed cosplay and my first parts just came in this week - I'm going to use this as a base for the connection orb and maybe get one or two more to have with me as props in my bag. I need to out and get the materials I need to make this look like the connection orb.
I'm also going to be getting a harmony scarf bandana and a couple of expedition badges to go with it. Maybe a toy wand and make myself some big prop seeds.

Do you guys think I could incorporate anything else into it? I couldn't think of much else from the series that would work well in a thing like this.

I want genders back.

>>31164473
Super had mons for every gender difference, even the stupidly subtle ones

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I want to be a fire cade

>>31164450
No Oran berries or apples? Sounds you're not completely prepared for dungeoneering, anon.

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>>31159339
I missed you, /pmdg/.

How do you decide your starter and partner?

If you take the quiz, how do you answer the questions?

If you don't, who do you gravitate towards? Do you pick the same ones you pick as starters in the mainline games?

>>31165771
>not answering the quiz questions truthfully and accepting what you're given
Disgusting

>>31165745
I'm gonna have some apples and I can always make a mold for berries when I make the seeds!

>>31165771
Depends on the game. The first 3 (Rescue, Explorers, Gates) have you take a quiz. This questions decide who you will be. The partner is always your choice. As for super, you take the quiz but it is only a suggestion.

I'm interested in trying these out. What's the best one on the 3DS?

>>31165771

seconding this >>31165816
It's the spirit of the game. I didn't really want Riolu as my partner, but he is a good asset.

>>31165771
Whatever looks best because bulbasaur is the ugliest starter and the quiz gave it to me in like every game

>>31165860
Sounds good, then. Good luck with your cosplay!

>>31165771
For the starter I go with whatever the quiz gives me, which usually happens to be my mainline starters. Then for the partner I pick whoever seems like they'll make a cute pairing.

>>31165900
Super's your best bet.

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>>31165634
>no two Woopers

Not all of them were there.

>>31165754
You too

If there's anything I would have liked to choose in terms of characters, it's the gender of my partner.
That's it really.

So I'm playing Sky cause I'm stuck on that fire mountain in Super and I just don't like the gameplay and I was wondering if anyone knows any downsides to evolving your main team once it's all done and through.
I don't even know if I'm that close to finishing it all, but just wondering.

>>31166575
Final evos are less expressive

>>31166575
Not as cute and less animations. Outside of movesets and having a favorite that's evolved, evolving's pretty pointless

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>>31166719
>>31166686
Figured. And then you can always find the evolved forms in the wild, right?

>>31166575
What part of the story are you in anon?

>>31166575
>any downsides to evolving your main team once it's all done and through.
Your partner won't REALLY be your partner anymore.

>>31166807
Yeah, in Sky you can recruit most things without having to evolve them from a previous stage

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>>31166877
special mention to mission recruits

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Keep Super's basic mechanics, remove the shitty connection system, bring back recruiting, bring back nicknaming mons, bring back Gates's secondary team system (where you could play as your B team while out on a mission with your main), bring back base building and expand on it, have all the starters gen 1-7, bring back all the starters that have ever been starters in a PMD game (Vulpix, Machop etc) add a few more (maybe like Rockruff or something),give us a plot as good as Gates but without the non-Pokemon bad guy, bring back Sky's level of content/postgame

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>>31167316
Someone had the idea of you and your partner being under the wing of a guildmaster, and then you become in-charge of the guild after he or she retires. (I think anon's idea was the guildmaster beign Drampa.) Perhaps giving the player the guild to run will allow him or her to make additions and upgrades like with Pokemon Paradise in GtI.

The most starters that a MD game ever had was 22 (in Sky). The only issue I see development-wise with lots of starters is dialogue faces and maybe some animations.

I think MD needs to make the "big bad thing that must be stopped" somewhat small once in a while. It wouldn't kill to have the antagonist be a legitimately bad person who is "normal" power-wise. Why not just make the next game a series of adventures that your team goes on? There can be a climax that involves you and some warlord or something.

(Spoiler image contains spoilers for every game except Super)

>>31167921
>There can be a climax that involves you and some warlord or something.
Could the warlord be semi-related to the partner? I'm thinking Beasts of No Nation sort of relation, except for kids.

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>>31166836
I'm currently fighting Regigigas

Now that Prism is leaked, could a PMD demake be possible?

>>31168589
Oh, Aegis cave eh?

I bet you really enjoyed that

>>31168606
Explain?

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>>31168606
>PMD game with gen 2 graphics
Now that would be interesting.

>>31168606
After Super came out there was an anon who started on his own PMD game. I have his source code and I've thought about doing my own

It wouldn't be a demake though, just a standalone game

>>31168641
Hated getting the letters, but I just started to pile up the ones I needed early on.

>>31168641
Prism was going to feature Pokemon that followed you, but for some reason they scrapped it, could've been because of Nintendo's C&D. They're in the games code, but not being used, if we could extract it we could use those graphics for a PMD demake. It doesn't have diagonal graphics though, just front and back, and sideways.

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>tfw can't evolve a pokemon cause name is "too long"

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I kinda had the idea where Marshadw would be in the next game, but he would be a little shit. Not the main antagonist, but just a pokemon that causes trouble for you.

Like, I just am kinda imagining that since Alolan Ninetales is a thing, that they'll try and do a call back to the first Mystery Dungeon game where you and your partner are on the run form the old Ninetales legend and Marshadow is the one who outs you. Kind of like Gengar, but he wouldn't be the only real big plan antagonist, which would probably be something like the Ultra Beasts or someone else.

>>31168324
Really I just think Chun should take a break from "you're here to stop the world from getting fucked" thing, and I would like to see an antagonist that isn't Bittercold or Not!Bittercold.

Alternatively, you could have a "save the world" scenario, but you are saving it from a group of Pokemon instead of a singular legend, a meteor, or a non-pokemon. Perhaps the antagonist could be self-righteous extremists, ambitious conquerors, or powerful criminal gangs.

>>31167316
I want Pawniard and Magby to be options.

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Welcome back, /pmdg/!

>>31169599
Pooch anon, I've been curious - would you ever want to be a pooch irl?

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>>31168606
Having the demade sprites does help, but the main issue of coding a new PMD engine from scratch still remains. It'd be difficult, but possible.

>>31168664
If you haven't played it already, Prism has a segment in it where you control one of your team members and explore a forest with a Pokemon village. Although it still uses the regular battle system, wandering around and talking to NPCs feels a lot like the MD games. There's even a reference to RT involving a Butterfree who can't find her kid.

>>31169599
Hiya, Pooch. It's good to be back.

Okay, how would you guys deliver the big emotional blow in the next PMD game?

>>31171789
What sucks is most things i can think of, they've already done. Something that doesn't involve the whole one side has to vanish would be ideal

no die

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>>31173161
>tfw it was a Reviser Seed

>>31159339
I really loved Explorers of Time back in the day, that Primal Dialga fight took me weeks - if not months - to master and the story was amazing.

>>31173500
The first time that happened to me, I actually laughed in real life
Couldn't even be mad

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>>31173890
>when the ai has a Reviser Seed

>>31165876
>The first 3 (Rescue, Explorers, Gates) have you take a quiz
>Gates
no
GtI and AS just let you choose

>>31166575
For most you can't pretend they're sexually experimenting on each other anymore

>>31167143
>tfw i had mission where salamence got mugged by a bug-type
reminder this is g4 when all Bug-types were still shit

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>>31160704
>>31173965
Hope you don't mind that I did this

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>i made all this when /pmdg/ was kill

Sometimes I wish I had better life priorities.

>>31174085
anon what is this

>>31168701
Its a really unforgivable mission but at least it gave us something to talk about
>>31168947
Oh right thats bretty cool. Thanks.

>>31174258
spreadsheet of hopes and dreams about rescue team remake because let's be honest it just didn't age well in some aspects

>>31168947
The graphics are used, for Pokemon-only segments.

>>31171789
Partner is forced to betray you.

You are put into a situation where you can either lose the world (and probably die), or give up your life in that world to save everyone else the.

Have another human character that must leave for good. You are the lucky one that gets to stay.

>>31175097
I NEED more noble sacrifice situations
The fact that they're consistently done so well in a Pokemon game of all things is amazing
When you learn you'll disappear by saving the world and immediately accept it, or your partner solemnly musing over dying if it means keeping the world together in Sky's post-game were beautiful to me

>>31175180
Alternatively, you could have it be you get lost during your fight with the BBEG in weird space. You spend the next few days of the game playing your character and your partner separately, where you are trying to survive and find a way out, and your partner is trying to find someone or something that can rescue you out of weird space. (note: Weird space simply means "area not of this world")

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>>31175180
Have you finished Super?, the ending always crack me up

>>31175097
But what if I want to leave the pokemon world?

>>31175997
I actually chuckled abit halfway
And I felt even worse

I've heard bad things about poliwrath river. Is it actually hard?

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Is there any sort of rom hacks for any of the mystery dungeon games right now? It sounds pretty fun to get back into, but I honestly don't feel like either going through Explorer's post-game or playing Super at the moment.

>>31178884
>Heliosk used Razor Wind!
It's just a really sudden spike you wouldn't expect so early
Bring wands and warp those fuckers away

>>31180003
>Bring wands and warp those fuckers away
Won't I need exp for later on though? There aren't many breaks to train up.

>>31180712
You can't train enough to not have to rely on overpowered guests all the time

>>31181229
Bad post from a bad player desu
The only thing you 'have' to rely on are items
Literally just bring some Oran Berries and wands

Bunp

>>31178941
The only thing other than potential right now is the randomizer for Sky.

>>31181280
>half the story sticks you with partners who one shot every enemy
>half the story pits you against enemies who one shot you

>>31178941
Unless you do what >>31182078 said, the only other thing is Sky with custom starters

>>31182105
The only main story partner who do that are Mawile, Amphy, and maybe Buizel. I don't recall Jirachi being in more than even 1
It's never that bad until the post-game where you can dive into tough missions right away
I'm sure the first thing you'll reference is the forest before the Tree of Life, despite it ending in a boss fight that decimates the 'partners who one-shot everything'

As for you getting one shotted, that's a bold-ass exaggeration for the main story dungeons
I bet you never once brought extra Oran berries to eat right away because that would require too much thinking

>>31182254
My characters were a water type and a grass type and we both got easily one-shot by across the room hydro pumps in submerged cave

>>31182315
Well, it's 120 BP piercing move that isn't exactly common even in that dungeon
Mons you've seen use it once should have high kill priority

This is a common thing in every MD
You never let Drifblim's live more than one turn, did you?

>>31182380
Drifblim was never a problem for me since I kept sure shot moves around and usually only saw him in corridors, whenever I spawned in an open room with quakespammers off in a corner it was gg though

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Reminder that beating a level 1 dungeon using Drifblim doesn't mean you're shit.

>>31182380
>>31182452
>tfw drifblim's so hardcore it defeats people in real life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjB5USTKu6g

Bitching here for a second:
I hate in Sky how slow using the Recycle Shop is
It's not even worth the trouble until the post-game if only for that reason alone
I'd rather just sell my box of junk for chump change at any point before Hyper Rank

>>31182610
Yeah it's pretty shit that you have to wait so long for Prism Tickets. Guess they didn't want you recycling early on and getting lucky with an IQ Booster win

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Friendly reminder that truly bad Pokemon...don't really exist anywhere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXPKdJU_GNM

>>31182773
>Friendly reminder that truly bad Pokemon...don't really exist anywhere
Wigglytuff never met Darkrai

>>31182773
>>31182829
he knows about the grand master of all things bad though

>>31178941
Someone's figured out how to edit abilities and star size, along with getting Alakzam to actually float above water tiles.

I missed you, /pmdg/. I tried reviving the general a while back but it didn't work. I'm glad people are interested in it now, though.
>>31160349
posting fics is ok stfu

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>>31182773
i dont understand that belief ,so it's ok in the MD universe if a pokemon want to kill another just by invading it's territory ?

>>31182960
oh fug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RdN7ZxoBhk

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>trying to evolve a pokemon in explorers of sky
>game freezes because its name has ten characters
oh

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>>31182773
>Friendly reminder that truly bad Pokemon...don't really exist anywhere
You've clearly never played hoenn or alola

>>31183394
Only reason I love living in Spain, thank god that bug was fixed for Europe.

>>31183394
It's stupid, but if you're on an emu you can use the save editor to change the name.

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You're in a dark hallway in Destiny Tower when this guy Bullet Punches your ass, what do you do? Keep in mind you're not a Drifloon or Drifblim

>>31185754
I use Forewarn to avoid it and run away

>>31185824
>forewarn doesn't proc and you're next to them

Your move

>>31186886
It turns out I'm actually Drowzee, use Hypnosis, and run away

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I fucking missed this thread so much, jesus.

I predict the next game will be announced in May, slated for this time 2018, but sooner would be great.

>>31187161
Hopefully it doesn't take too long for the next game to get announced.

>>31182773
>>31182829
>>31182960
>>31183201
>>31182773
You see, in my worldview, most people are neither inherently good nor evil. There are a few people who no matter how dark their upbringing is they end up average at worst, and there are those who are so bad that they are irredeemable. I must emphasise that while I do hold the above beliefs, I also believe that innate assets and flaws are not certain as evolution and heredity is a crapshoot.

I also believe that there are degrees and flavors of "good" and "evil". I think what would be great is for there to be Pokemon that are bad-to-the-bone, but even they have lines they would not cross. Those Pokemon later fight against a greater threat that you are also facing to show the players that lesser evils will make truce with good to fight against greater evil.

Ok, since this is on topic;

If perhaps in the near future, I run a tabletop sim mystery dungeon Rpg, would any of you chummers be interested?

>>31188549
Depends. How much system are you thinking of putting into your game?
Also some people may or may not join if it's lewd.

>>31188622
Was thinking of freeforming it in my own time, making sure things are retard proof.
Maybe some lewd, idk.

>>31188669
I mean, on a non-lewd oriented game tasteful lewd can spice things up.
I love freeform, though without some balancing force it's hard to make the games not feel utterly up the DM's discretion which can feel really freaking bad. I usually solve this with a bit of dice, giving reasons as to why a high roll fails or a low roll succeeds. Feels much better in general.

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>>31188717
I feel you there. It's just that if I go a little overboard with the lewd, either it'll attract furries or bring out the furry in people, not a good history of keeping track of that stuff.

You have a point about it feeling over-dominant on the DM though, so I'll look into that. Your suggestion is noted.

So, that aside, whaddya think?

>>31188951
I'd be down for it.
I'm not sure other anons are as /tg/ inclined, though.
Though being fans of the MD series, they probably already are.

>>31188951
I'm very much a fa/tg/uy and a perma-gm, but freeform is bad news, i can daydream something better and if I wanted to socialize that bad there are better options. A system may keep it alive. Lewd doesn't really belong in a game unless it's a full ERP thing.

>>31189099
Well, the big problem with the system bit is that I'm pretty conflicted on what to use if I do so, as they all seem to have a pretty big pro/con correlation.

It doesn't help that I'm [spoiler[fairly new[/spoiler] to all this either.

>>31188996
Right then, how'd you want to do it then?

>>31189099
>freeform is bad news
I reckon it's extremely hard to give it the benefit of the doubt after being let down many times. I've been lucky enough to have my games revolve around social interaction to make freeform be a quite excellent choice (as opposed to something that requires high amounts of skill checks - though by then you step into preference as some people want to just roll diplomacy and win, while others still want some interpretation to it).
>Lewd doesn't really belong in a game
Not everyone can do it in a tasteful way. I can agree to that - things go south really quickly with the wrong people. Long time knowing each other does help a bit with that. Though in that case it can just end up being ridiculously awkward.
>>31189166
There's a few ways. Roll20, IRC, something like maptools and a long etcetera.

>>31189166
It's a tough decision. A system reskinned for Pokemon would be the best way (but only stat out the Pokemon as they appear, not trying to do alll before you start) maybe look into FATE. I've never used it because I love lots of rules and crunch, but I've heard it's good to keep things in line while being still basically a freeform game. Post by post is best if you want a constant world with multiple people doing their own thing, but roll20 would be best for a mystery dungeon type thing, get a group together as a team and make random dungeons (there are plenty of generators) with themes and goals and shit. Would be fun.

>>31189394
>>31189166
But now that I think more on it, I don't know if fate is that great, or freeform just because mystery dungeon is all about thinking smart and leveling and using items and moves on a grid and shit, to keep the spirit of the game an actual reskinned (or simple created) system with a semblance of a ruleset and dicerolling would work best.

>>31188549
timezone pls
>tfw the one RP you were in on this site ended up lagging because of timezone differences

>>31189261
>>31189394
Hmm. Roll20, you say? I'll consider it when the time comes.

>>31190886
EST.

4e DND would work well reskinned I think

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Made a rough dungeon generation algorithm today. Still needs at lot of polish but it's at least able to connect all the rooms

>>31168692
Heya yeah it's me, progress is slow as fuck, I need someone for the opengl programing, since it's tedious as hell, also I haven't updated my github in while but here it is https://github.com/purpasmart96/pmd_test

>>31164450
this sounds cool, will you post more when it's done? also, where'd you get that orb?

>>31191931
>where'd you get that orb?
He got it by paying 150 Poke for it.

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Is the postgame in Super worth? I finished the main story and don't feel like progressing

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Would you connect with him?

>>31182498
Did anyone ever beat a level 1 dungeon with Kecleon?

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>>31192101
Fuck yeah, he's the best around. In Rescue Team, that is.

It's essentially impossible in Explorers. Maybe with a fuckload of crutch items you could pull off Zero Isle East. But if you go there, you could just pack like 6 Golden Seeds and completely fucking clean house since you'd pass the point where Kec starts getting like +20 per levelup

Anyone have a Red Rescue Team cia?

>>31159645
>implying Mimikyu's popularity won't make it an option

>>31159645
>rockruff
I'd be pretty happy desu

>>31192171
We used to have it, but you couldn't quicksave properly.
Apparently Blue Rescue Team is one of the very few games that run decently with nds-bootstrap, but you still need a card with the same save type if you want to save. So if you have a bunch of DS games you might be lucky.

>>31192023
I say go for it. The postgame story is pretty short and you might as well do it. There are a lot of dungeons to do and some are a bit of a challenge if you don't abuse roids.

>>31191931
if /pmdg/ is around I'll post when I get more of it done.

>>31191868
>opengl programming
Other coding anon here that was doing it in lua after having worked with opengl.
You're wasting your time programming opengl manually.

>>31192023
But did you finish the mew questline?, if you haven't do it, it's short but it's more story

>>31190939
>EST
well shit today is a bad day to live in urope

>>31191868
Damn son, didn't know you were still working on it, haven't seen it in like a year. I'm this anon >>31191551. I don't know opengl but I have been doing a lot of gamedev with SDL

Don't die on me /pmdg/

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>>31195042
We got lots of reviver seeds so don't worry

>>31191551
>>31194430
Well, I guess that makes three of us.

Do you think it would be interesting if terrain-traversing items were made? Let's say an item called "raft" was made either as a held item or just a bag item, and it allowed the Pokemon to walk in water regardless of type or ability and pick up items. Or a "magic carpet" that does the same, but also adds lava and heights to the list. There could be explosives that produce a Self-Destruct after 2-3 turns after armed and dropped (which destroys walls, traps, and items in the process), or explodes instantly upon being thrown (Damp and damp conditions pacify the item, though). Or a lantern could be made, which reveals traps very close to you and removes darkness that obscures anything beyond the room or occupied tiles you are on.

>>31196266
I think those are good ideas. Also, other type specific tiles would be good too.

>>31196266
If we are getting more item variety we need either more space for the bad or to make apples stackable. Assuming those items become good enought to sacrifice bad space that is

>>31195709
I've made lots of progress on the item manager, Each item has its own Use, Throw, and Drop function , with 3 extra functions reserved for future use.

>>31197202
>we need either more space for the bad or to make apples stackable
no we don't

>>31197202
>>31197570
We need pots.

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>>31191551
Here's this algorithm being drawn to a bitmap. Need to fix double-wide corridors and add more tile types to account for all the different walls and corners

>>31198501
are you explicitly adding hallways that end up as dead ends?

>>31199181
No. It chooses a random start point and a random end point, creates a path between them, uses the end point as a new start point and chooses a new random end point, creates a path, etc. This makes a fully-connected network of corridors. It stops when the total length of all the paths are one-tenth the total number of tiles. If the path ever doubles back on itself, which it often does, that's what creates dead ends

Then rooms are added randomly on top of the corridors. If a potential room does not intersect a corridor, it's considered invalid and not added. That guarantees that any rooms you add will be connected

Here's the code if you want to see it:
http://pastebin.com/kBfK9ZZs

>>31199426
I see, no wonder it more or less looks that way.
I had added a few constraints to my ungeon generator that do it the other way around: rooms first, then hallways (asserting it's all connected on an internal graph)
I never finished it because.

>>31167921
I always thought they could make a good plot where the bad guys are a group of Pokemon who have found a way to get really strong unnaturally (something related to legendaries perhaps). Your character would have been brought to the world to deal with this group. The partner would have secretly been a member of the evil team, following you because they're trying to figure out who you are and who sent you. Eventually you would face off with your partner, win them over, and then face off with the rest of the evil team. Throw in a good guild as well who help you out when your partner is gone and you have a solid game.

Reminded that Adventure Squad is the only entry in the series where you can start as: Togepi, Mareep, Elekid, Pachirisu, Wooper, Phanpy, Azurill, Wynaut, Growlithe, Teddiursa and Buneary. Are you missing out on something you like?
also pichu but pikachu is already a thing

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>>31199479
I had it doing rooms first initially, but since my floor is just an int array and doesn't store any data about the rooms I had no way to know if a room was connected after it was placed. But I just switched it to have corridors placed first and it worked like a charm. Pic is the floor before rooms are placed

Now it just needs to skip placing any corridor tiles that would create a 4x4 shape. Although wide corridors might be a cool idea

>>31199715
There's two solutions to that.
First is to store a graph.
Second is to store a list of rooms (by storing their position and size, that is the bounding box). Either works.
Mixing them up you can check connectivity. It's what I was doing with my attempt at a pmd engine.

>>31197202
>>31197570
>>31197593
If there is going to be any stacking of non-ammo items, it shouldn't stack more than 5.

>>31199483
I'm thinking that in order to prevent the player from having their character be separated from their partner too long, the partner should stay loyal to you by the time the twist is revealed. A) Your partner reveals him or herself to you and tries to convince you to join. You either refuse or escape, but your partner, who knows you probably have trust issues with, decides to come with you and defect.
B) Your partner is supposed to betray you, but has second thoughts and foils the ambush/backstab before or during its execution.
C) Your partner has left the antagonists either before or after you came to this world and has kept that secret from you, but later has to confess their former involvement when his or her past catches up.

>>31199900
Yeah, using some kind of data structure and maybe a room object seemed the obvious way to go but seeing if I could do it with just an int array was a little self-imposed challenge

>>31199932
Ah, that's alright. It's just that a few things like not having the hallways start at corners and such are much easier constraints to code explicitly using those data structures.

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>>31199638
Wooper AND Mareep. At least i have my hacked saves

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>>31199966
Here's my first attempt at going back after the rooms have been placed and scrubbing any hall tiles that form a 4x4 shape. It seems to work well enough, but I'll have to keep testing it

>>31200221
Seems a bit too hallway heavy

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>>31200279
Hallway density is easy to tweak, just shorten the maximum total length of the halls

I think you still run the risk of having all the halls be concentrated in one place without many rooms. I think that could be fixed by setting a minimum distance requirement between your random hall endpoints

>>31200337
Fug, just realized that I accidentally erased a hall tile where it would have joined with the corner of the bottom-left room. Still got some work to do

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>>31201826

>>31199922
All good ideas. I figured the Partner betrayal would consist of a battle with your Partner (powered up) followed by a dungeon without your Partner (but with guild members). Afterwards you would face off with a boss during which your Partner would rejoin you.

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>>31160704
>Finally got the mew
>Save file corrupted
>last backup was before mew
>never see him again

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>>31201915
>mfw (You)s are back

>>31202159
They never left for me, was it because of 4chan X

>>31202186
Probably, I just use a regular browser

Saving /pmdg/ bump

>>31199426
>It's actually coded in C
Thank god, I swear if it was coded in python it would ten times less readable.

>>31202799
I bet you have strong opinions about coding style and braces.

>>31159339
>Super wasn't as good
Super is the definitive version of Pokemon Mystery Dungeon. Even better than Sky

>>31202836
Here's my item manager that Ive worked on, still lots of stuff to do http://pastebin.com/APE9GPMn

>>31202919
Kind of reminds me of quake 2's g_item.c.

>>31202963
Wasn't even using quake 2 as a reference, a look up table for the items just made much sense then hundreds of switches.

>>31203063
It's pretty much how I'd expect anyone to do it, assuming they're not using an engine.

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>>31200337
Phoneposting now but I also have an old sprite randomizer that would be cool for something like this. Nothing edgy recolored OC pink Umbreon-tier but could be used to slightly randomize the colors of Pokemon as well

>>31203286
That's pretty cool.

>Nothing edgy recolored OC pink Umbreon-tier
That's pretty much what shinies are though. You could have completely randomized colours and then make them as rare as shinies. It'd actually be nice. That is, if you get something that looks good.

>>31202908
Gameplay wise, it's story was pretty weak and bested by the other PMD.

>>31202908
>Even better than Sky

Not with the break system

>not an autist that only cares about one shitmon
>never sperg out over breaks because I just switch to a team with other great mons
Feels good

>>31205258
>made seven different teams of favorites, each with different Pokemon
>at least one member on each team is always on break
The break system was a mistake.

It feels weird that you can nickname your partner in Super but literally no one else.

>>31205534
But you can rename yourself as well!
and everyone else if you edit the ram

>>31205534
It's even worse when you finish the game and someone ask you what pokemon you picked as your partner and you try hard not to say the nickname of your partner instead of it's pokemon name.

Did Super even sell well enough to Nintendo to keep the series going?
Also I was so disappointed by Gates at first, but I keep hearing people say that despite its shortcomings that I should give a shot.
Should I, /pmdg/?

>>31205926
>the "there's never going to be another game in the series" meme again
stop

If you like the series, do it.

>>31205948
I'll stop. I just fucking love the series so much that I'd hate to see it go.

If I can find it cheap I will give it a go again.
Surprised to see how expensive it has gotten.

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>>31160249
Part 3 when?

>>31205926
It's basically a prototype for Super. Underwhelming but there's nothing wrong with it. Play it if you like the series and want a little bit more mystery dungeon but don't expect the full experience out of it.

If you turn a Connection Orb around while it is contacting another, you can probably see the area surrounding the Expedition Gadget you called as if you were looking through the opposite orb. That is pretty rad.

>>31206749
TMoM ain't even done yet, you doofus. I'm uploading the next chapter late tomorrow at the rate I'm going at right now. And there's only a very minuscule chance that I ever make a third part to the series, considering I'm planning to stop being a NEET and actually getting a job after all this shitty novel is over.

What pocket monster would you LIKE to be, /pmdg/?

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>>31207495

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Do you think we'll ever get more portraits to make a complete starter hack in EoS and maybe add mons from gen 6 and 7?

There's rips of Super's portraits that could be used as a base to save some time making them from scratch, but did the anon who made pic related also make overworld sprites at all?

>>31208219
I'd think so in response to both questions
You never know though

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>Drowzee being relevant in post game

>>31208219
Eventually, for sure. Portraits seem easier to make, so those'll probably be done before new overworld sprites.
I wish I could make them myself

Bump beam lol

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>>31209601
>bumping when we weren't past page 7 yet

I started playing mystery dungeon red rescue team last week, where should I train to get lvls? This game is hard

>>31209868
Makuhita Dojo's probably your best bet until the postgame, where B50F-B59F Western Cave gives the most experience.

>>31209949
Thanks senpai I hope you have a nice day

>>31209959
Until you get Western Cave, Team Hydro is pretty good. Wide Slash linked on the final three gives like 3.2k exp

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>>31207674

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>>31207674
My man!, if super had sky's selection of non starters pokemon i was sure mienfoo would have had a high chance of being there, at least he's been a recurrent minor character in the last 2 PMD.
What a shame GTI never got extra stories like Sky did, we could have a small quest line where we could play as the explorer mienfoo, or dwebble in it's search for a new home, or play as the elemental monkey team

>>31208219
>There's rips of Super's portraits that could be used as a base to save some time making them from scratch, but did the anon who made pic related also make overworld sprites at all?
Nope

is there any way to change the protagonist's species? I want to be a murkrow, i have a cfw.

>>31213173
Yes, see the OP copypasta here >>31163579

>>31198501
wow thats cool dude can you share the code?

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mann i love this game :3

>>31214382
>Archivo
>Emulación
Hola.

>>31214404
hey que tal :)

>>31214256
I have a pastebin file here >>31199426 with the first implementation. I've added a few things since then, like removing wide corridors. I'm working on a github repository that combines the dungeon algorithm with the sprite randomizer from >>31203286 and then I'll post that

>>31214382
How come you chose to play the game in english?

>>31214588
What's wrong with it? I'm not him, but I just set the language to one I know, I don't see why that would be a problem.

>>31214588
Not a big deal for me, I mean I have played this game so many times, language doesn't matter anymore :p

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my fingers *.*

>>31209640
>Page 9
Now can I bump?

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>>31217216
fine with me

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Made a repository for my dungeon algorithm if people want it. Working on creating dungeon templates, with different difficulties and potential encounters, both random and fixed. Difficulty will influence things like floor dimensions, hall density, and room size

https://github.com/BalkDuck/MysteryDungeon

>tfw hacked 3ds

I can inject saves into DS games like this right?

Is it possible for the Squirtle line to get pulse moves in Super, like Aura Sphere and Dragon Pulse?

>>31214588
I am not him but I don't like the spanish translations of the game.

What about Eternal Wish, by the way? I see you guys are developing stuff, but nobody really mentions it now.

>>31218272
If by inject you mean making save backups and restoring them, sure.

>>31219393
well i was thinking more "normal save only the starter and partner are forced to be a certain pokemon"

>>31219454
As in an edited save? Yeah, it's fine

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>>31219393
EW anon here. I'm lurking.

>>31219393
>>31219815
What's Eternal Wish?

>>31220079
Another PMD fangame project that started about two months ago. I dunno what's been happening to it lately, since all activity in its IRC and repository stopped. The plot involved Jirachi as the crux of it, hence the name.

>>31220140
How far along did it get? Is there a link to the repository?

>>31220605
Basic dungeon generation, I think. No working gameplay or anything else yet.
https://gitgud.io/lzrgible/eternal-wish

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any

>>31220711
Oh, it's the anon who mentioned Lua earlier. Cool stuff

>>31220838
gah shit, 4chan userscript posted early. Anyone remember the anon who was posting upscaled PMD wallpapers like this one? do you remember how they did it? waifu2x isn't getting nearly as good results.

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Just got a rescue request from an axew who is getting beat up by a Salamence.
Is this the guy who makes the game too easy?

>>31221424
A lot of people say that, but when you recruit him you can only use him once before he takes a 'break' for a long, long time.

>>31221424
>Is this the guy who makes the game too easy?
It isn't. It's just the reason breaks exist.

>>31221498
Early Salamence was a mistake

>>31221459
>>31221498
IT KILLED EVERYONE
How do you beat thins thing?

>>31222044
Use wands and items to inflict a ton of status effects, bring a ton of Reviver Seeds, spam alliances.

Drifloons are now the bane of my existence.

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>>31222879
Beware of balloons.

>>31169173
So if ultra beasts are in the game then a dungeon in ultra space will probably be in it too right? They could mix up the gameplay by having floors in ultra space have weird effects that weren't in any of the previous games. Maybe they could even connect it to the main series by having an Easter egg in a bonus dungeon in ultra space that ends where you fought Lusamine in Alola

>>31222879
Wait until you get one, it's super satisfying to unload Ominous Wind after Ominous Wind.

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>>31222961
Or unleash 4 normal attacks one after another in one turn

>>31159339
Not sure why but there's something I really loved about exploring town as any pokemon, rather than just your main pokes every time.

>>31222956
>They could mix up the gameplay by having floors in ultra space have weird effects that weren't in any of the previous games

Like the mysteriosity in GtI?

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I hope the next PMD has unique dungeons for the Tapus that have the perma-terrain effect that corresponds to each one.

>>31224571
I hope the next PMD has a Mimikyu somewhere

>>31159339
If there's another mystery dungeon game, how would z-moves work? You think they would just not add them?

>>31225532
Maybe a room clearer that charges up, like the Team Attack in Gates?

>>31225532
Using or attaching emeras builds a meter that can then be used up to execute a Z-Move. You can power up whatever type of move you want, but the catch is that you need the Z Crystal that matches first. No need to hold it or anything.

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What are your MC and partner Pokémon in Super?
Mine are pic related

>>31227575
Chespin and Totodile. I know it's the most broken pair, but those are my two favorite starters of all time.

>>31227575
Chespin + Wartortle were my original pair, then Buizel + Luxio on my save edited run

>>31227575
Fennekin and Snivy.

>>31227575
First was Snivy and Mudkip
Second, i went Fennekin and Mudkip
Any news on custom starters in smd?

>>31227684
How do you do this? Can you link a tutorial?

>>31227575
Snivy and Riolu

>>31227768
You need CFW to do it, there was a couple of anons in the threads last year doing it for people

>>31227575
Chespin and Riolu.
Riolu just work so well as a innocent trouble maker.
btw should i make another thread?, we're close to limit.

>>31227575
Same, but I was Riolu and my partner was Fennekin.

>>31227819
I have CFW, i just don't know how to do it.

>>31227575
Why does everyone and their mother have this combo?

>>31228821
Because they're cute and furry.

Also because the personality of the partner fits both pretty well, so they're interchangeable.

And finally because people just love to ship stuff and these two make a cute pairing.

>>31218506
bump

>>31229237
Super uses ORAS learnsets and tutor moves but there aren't egg moves. So you can't get Aura Sphere but the others are fine.

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>>31227575
I dont do what the game tells me to.

>>31227721

>>31230626
A tutorial would be appreciated.

>>31230855
I wish i could help you, but i'm as clueless as you are. I had the save made by the same guy that made all those saves months back

RECKONING

>>31230480
Next game should have egg tutors to teach Pokemon egg moves. I wonder how it could be done. Special TMs? A bulky machine that is too complicated to be converted to a TM? DNA splicing? Having another Pokemon in your crew related to that Pokemon helping you learn the move?

>>31227575
Treecko and Riolu. Both by chance and personality test.

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>>31227575
Pic realtaed

>>31232476
Hey, that was my team in Sky.

is it possible to show another leader in pmd sky when you are for example in town?

>>31228555
http://pastebin.com/Dbq61R5u

>>31232718
Only if you change the starter's species

>>31232788
That guide for accessing homebrew is old, it doesnt work anymore. Someone would have to have a soundhax guide

On that note, we broke bump limit. Someone make a new thread and use the OP text i posted here >>31163579

>>31232880
Why would we need soundhax for this tho?

>>31232880
>we broke bump limit
bump harder

>>31232928
He's referring to the guide for those who don't have a CFW

>>31232928
Back when i got the custom starters i didn't have a hacked 3ds. Simply having access to Homebrew is what's needed.

>>31232963
Oh, that one. shit, i was worried i'm too late for the party.
>>31232985
Will it work with O3DS? some people say NTR won't worik with it, some people say it will. Can anyone confirm?

>>31233028
i should restate, simply having access to homebrew is what's needed IF you get supplied with a custom starter save. No idea where the guy that did them is right now though

>>31233073
The guide says you can use any custom starter with NTR, but i can't find a source which would be able to confirm if this will work for me. Thanks anyway.

Should we make new thread?

>>31233441
do it

>>31233028
>Will it work with O3DS? some people say NTR won't worik with it, some people say it will. Can anyone confirm?
It does work. Those who say it doesn't are probably confused because Sun and Moon don't work with NTR on the original 3DS.

>>31233462
I might do it after 4:20 PM (EST) if no one else does.

I would rather have a more experienced OP do it. Plus, I am not this OP's thread.

>>31233513
>>31233513
Ye i already figured. Having a little issue with swapping the values, because i'm not entirely sure how, but i'll probably figure this out eventually.

>>31233594
If I remember correctly you need to press X/Y when it's selected

>>31233705
i know how to enter the ntr and how to enter the values - i just don't know which ones should i replace.

>>31232815
How?

>>31233764
sky editor

>>31233740
http://pastebin.com/whz5DUmP

>>31233804
What do i enter as virtual memory adress? The number of pokemon i want to change? Hex of the pokemon i want to change? Or Hex of the pokemon i want to change to?

>>31233899
An address is where you find the value to edit. It just points to where the value is.
Let's say you want to edit the first Pokémon in the team to be a Bulbasaur in the European version
First you enter the RAM address 0xA17C2C
and then you edit the value to 01

>>31233981
Yeah i figured it out by now
had issues because apparently i was writing down the wrong code and kept getting the wrong pokemon and crashes, fuck me.
Thanks for your help anon.

>>31234006
You're welcome!

So, I'm a bit lost. In the bin, it says there's an adress dedicated to 1st stage pre-evo and 2nd stage pre-evo, and I don't get it.

Could anyone help me understand what editing values of those adresses does?

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>>31234109
Seconding this.
Also, if someone knows how to edit the pokemon the scarves will turn you to, will appreciate the help as well.

>>31234109
It tells the game what species the Pokémon used to be before evolving. This changes the moves you can re-learn.

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I fugged up!

>>31234145
Fug. I made an OP too at the same time you did.

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>>31234159
this one has all the links in the OP. we should migrate here