/vgcg/ VGC General - Dallas Regionals Edition

>>31146607
First for EXCITING EVENT

Memesteela and Tapu Fini are being used alot eh?

>>31146861
>people thought that fini was bad

>not going for the win condition

>>31146861
Celesteela is good against all the Fini teams sprouting up, but it's already got Enosh in trouble on stream for not providing nearly enough offensive pressure against aggressive opponents.

>3 acc drops
>1 miss
>2 meteor mash boosts
SKILL
K
I
L
L

Is this the 2nd time there's a team with Vikavolt on stream?

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>All these fucking megagross and tapu lele/bulu's everywhere in doubles.
>Decide to run a Mega gengar who can outspeed and ko all of 'em
>Suddenly winning everygame

My god this is great.

>>31148169
>mega gengar
>vgc
?

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>>31148169
>VGC17
>Mega Gengar

>>31148169
is this bait?

>>31148211
It's difficult to tell. There are certainly a lot of "Why is nobody using Ash's Greninja in this tournament?" and things like that, so it's quite possible somebody wouldn't know megas are banned too.

I'm surprised the stream is still going on. Went out to do family stuff and it's still on. I see Enosh is 5-1. Anybody know if he's using the same fini team?

>>31148374
That and it's Summer Jr. due to winter break.

>>31148599
Not exactly, it's got Trevenant and Smeargle now. He used them both on stream and they didn't pan out, but the guy he lost to's 6-0, so he should be good as far as resistance goes.

>>31148643
what did the smeargle have?

>>31148682
I saw spore and fake out. Not sure what everybody else saw. Also no moody.

>>31148682
>>31148714
Endeavor too

>>31148643
I've been thinking about using smeargle. I don't know why nobody uses it. Spore is still good despite electric/misty terrain. Also soak. Soak is cool. Allows for OHKOs on a lot of bulky things when used with kartana or bulu.

>>31148682
Sash iirc, Fake Out, I think Spore, and Endeavor; not sure about the 4th slot (probably one of the protection moves). Considering the Endeavor, it might be that Enosh didn't realise mons are scaled up to level 50 now.

>>31148754
It would still make sense to Endeavor after Sash procs

>>31148754
He expected to be hit that turn all the way to his sash IIRC. but the faster mon protected or targeted the other mon.

tapu lay-lay

HEALTHY

META

>6 UB team is actually at 6-2

>>31149515
Who?

>>31149530
The guy who was on stream in R1, don't remember his name but he goes by Dr Fidget online iirc

>>31149515
>>6 UB team is actually at 6-2
Samuel Haarsma.

>>31149568
I wonder what his resistance is like.

What's the best nature for Celesteela? Modest?

>>31150477
usually i see people run careful or adamant on celesteela, so go for those.

>>31150477
>>31150664
Reminder that the only thing that is immune to leech seed is grass types, and Celesteela's only coverage move to hit grass types that she can't stall out (like kartana, for instance) is flamethrower

>>31137356
How'd you do?

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>eevee in top cut
neat

>>31151015
Just got back, I went 5-4. Placed 65, which was one over Jeudy. All in all not horrible, and I would've given updates, but 4chan decided that my phone was a banned IP range, and I couldn't post

>>31151314
That's pretty good
>one off from getting CP

>>31151314
Yeah but Jeudy's shit

>>31150829
Yeah, I run mine Relaxed with Flamethrower, but sometimes I wonder if Sassy would be better.

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In total, 32 different Pokemon are used in the top 16.
Porygon2 9 (56% of teams)
Tapu Fini 9 (56%)
Kartana 8 (50%)
Garchomp 6 (37%)
Tapu Koko 6 (37%)
Marowak 6 (37%)
Krookodile 5 (31%)
Celesteela 4 (25%)
Araquanid 4 (25%)
Arcanine 4 (25%)
Gigalith 3 (19%)
Metagross 3 (19%)
Vikavolt 3 (19%)
Tapu Lele 3 (19%)
Pheromosa 3 (19%)
Mudsdale 2 (13%)
Gengar 2 (13%)
Salamence 2 (13%)
assorted 1-of shitmons 14 (88%)

>>31153826
What makes Fini so popular?

>>31153995
anti-meta

>>31153995
Misty Terrain is preferred by physical attackers especially Metagross which happens to synergize with it well. It strips the luck elements people bitch about, random burns, full paralysis, freeze, confusion.

It also fucks with all the other Tapu's by stripping them of their terrains which they need to get their KO's whilst not inadvertedly powering up your opponent unless you pack lots of status for some reason. Plus Fini is incredibly fat so it's unlikely to be punished too hard for a poor move.

>>31153826
On the subject of Kartana with high usage how is everyone dealing with it?

It's kind of obnoxious little shit sitting in it's own little special snowflake speed tier, obnoxiously noob friendly with how a simple revenge kill can snowball into a sweep, too strong to really sponge and it's hard to take out because AV/Sash is so common.

>>31153826
Two weeks ago
>Fini is the worst Tapu, why did they make it not boost fairy?
Now
>Fini is the best Tapu, it beats everything

I love volatile metagames

>>31153826
Honestly who predicted Porygon2 being the most common Pokemon?

I guess it was always just overshadowed by Cresselia

>>31153826
>Only one Gyarados
>Only one Oranguru
>Only one Muk
>No Torkoal
>No Tapu Bulu

>>31154284
>no gastrodon
>no ninetales
what the fuck is going on

>>31154342
Everyone and their mom running grass moves

>>31154276
Most people did.

It was pretty obvious from the outset when there is like virtually no Knock Off users in this meta, Tapu's hit so fuck hard you have to go to extremes to sponge a hit and Koko/Kartana/Chomp having a monopoly on speed making TR near mandatory.

>>31153826
>Tapu Fini 9 (56%)
What Fini are people running? Calm Mind?

>>31153995
it placed well a few weeks ago and everyone suddenly noticed it
wait for the return of bulu to donk it

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>>31154429
>tfw I wanted to use Fini because it was the least used Tapu
>tfw I couldn't make it work

>tfw I started using Bulu for being the second least used Tapu
>tfw I managed to make a more or less good team out of it

>tfw Fini is now the most used Tapu
>tfw I want to wreck Fini shitters with Bulu, now more than ever

TRICK

>>31146607
Stream's live again, T16 starting

>>31148629
>summer maymay
showing your newness anon

>dive ball garchomp
ew

why is this female caster so stupid

>sandstorm gives defensive boost to ground and steel types
>IF Oranguru goes next
>not knowing the base speed on all of these pokes
>not knowing that Oranguru always runs -speed 0 investement

>>31156020
She's actually a very experienced VGC player, I'm surprised she's been so bad at both the regionals she's commentators
Organisers will always try to get any females with any VGC knowledge at all in front of the camera though, it's great for publicity.

>>31156041
My guess is maybe she's trying to make things more hype? Either that or she hasn't kept up with the details of this gen's new pokes. Cause I hear her doing this a lot so if you're totally clueless it might be more exciting than her saying "oh wow Colin is FUCKED" the second TR went up because Gigalith hard counters Vickyvolt.

Then again there are other things that they could talk about, like there should have been some discussion of whether the Oranguru would be inner focus or telepathy before you saw the gigalith EQ, and an explanation that inner focus is better for lead Oranguru because it allows it to avoid fake out flinches.

Vikavolt in top 8 bois

>>31156041
>>31156101
It's a combination of being new to the pressure of play-by-play commentating a relatively big event, having to stay diplomatic, and probably also not having played enough to get all the details come up automatically. Not having those three of four seconds to think before you say something can really make you forget things you'd realise otherwise.

>eevee cheese in top 8 in a NA event

Jesus I knew it dominated SA retards but come on people, carry one roar/whirlwind on your team and you auto-win against Eevee cheese that doesn't use Espeon and literally nobody uses Espeon.

Gyarados, Krook, Arcanine, so many good pokes in this meta can afford a moveslot for it.

>>31156268
To be fair, gio's eevee team has plenty of tricks up its sleeve to get around its usual checks and counters. It's very well made.

>>31156349
Exactly. When somebody does well with an Extreme Evoboost team, like when people did well with a Perish Trap team in 2015, it isn't a "put an Eevee and a Clefairy in your team and then literally shit into the other four slots because they don't matter".
You get loads of people doing that low- and mid-ladder, and they get destroyed by anybody who put any thought into their team at all.

>Spotlight
ayo hol up

>>31156410
If you're excited about Spotlight's effect on the doubles metagame, you probably don't understand what it does.

>>31156430
It's weird that it's even useful

>>31156430
It's the first time I've seen it used, it's incredibly niche

There is nothing more satisfying than watching a evoboost team getting killed slowly and painfully by NFE moves.

>>31156268
roar is -6 priority and can be redirected

>>31156512
>hating evoboost
kys

>>31156512
What was that Krookodile even running? Power Trip/EQ/Protect/Taunt would be a better set overall if you're going to all in on the fact that resisted Power Trip hits harder than everything but super effective EQ after Evoboost.

SO MUCH DOWN TIME HOLY SHIT

>chat is on
holy fuck im going to have so much fun shitposting there

>>31153995
le squirrel face japanchinese guy made it popular

>>31156525
1. Roar out the Clefairy
2. Roar out the Eevee slot
3. Hope that whatever the Clefairy was switched into doesn't KO you

On the bright side, Roaring out on the protect comes up a lot too.

tfw the juniors finals have better teams than everybody else

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So how did everyone fo?
Wish I could Post but 4chan ban moblie. When 6-3 losing to two eole in top cut.

>>31156883
fuck off

Anyone else watching the stream?

Is that literally Cybertron's team?

also why are they even streaming seniors for a regional

>>31153826
>2slow bug
Explain

>>31157334
They're just doing the finals.
Young people like getting five minutes of fame too, and it's interesting to see the difference in playstyles.

>these power tripping mods in the chat
pretty funny desu

>slow mode
fucking pussy mods

>>31157585
>>31157635
were you even in the chat before, never mind yesterday? Imagine all those shitty verlis threads in chat form, except even more predictable and asinine

>>31157891
There's a mod right now banning people for making jokes about commentator pronunciation, it's silly

>>31158025
those same jokes have been filling the chat all throughout yesterday, it's a matter of being fair to every single person in a busy chat vs making the chat negotiable. I don't think you get banned outright though

>>31157891
why are VGCucks so butthurt about verlis anyway? literally just turn off the computer dude hahaha

>>31158213
90% of the actual VGC community completely ignore him, it's just Wolfe and his followers fall for his bait.

>>31158025
Just briefly muted. Kinda silly, but yesterday like 2/3 of chat was people making fun of Gabbys mispronunciations and mods got tired of it.

>>31158277
figures a literal faggot is unable to take any banter no matter how childish it is

>>31158277
>>31158358
It's mostly his (underage) followers, which is pretty inevitable when you gain so many of them. There are a few not as famous players who engage him, but they're also usually underage, or want to be featured in an anti-VGC vid to gain exposure.

What nature seems to be most common on Fini? Modest? Bold?

>>31158664
Adamant.

>>31158747
Cool, thanks. Choice Band y/n?

>>31158871
fuck off

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>>31158871

so I wanted to start playing Tapu Fini any good sets I could use and how good would swaggering my physical sweepers be?

>>31158664
Some CM ones might be Bold but otherwise Modest

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>banned for advising people to inject

>>31158916
Calm mind or choice specs are the most common right now. Swagger doesn't really work out.

>>31158939
calm mind/ protect/hydro/Moon blast

with defensive EVs then?

>>31158968
Yeah. I use 252 hp, 60 def, rest in spatk. With leftovers, garchomp's poison jab is a 3HKO. I'm sure there are better spreads, but it's been working fine.

>>31158968
Moonblast / muddy water / calm mind / substitute or protect. Run enough special attack to OHKO garchomp with moonblast at +1, then dump in defenses. I believe Enosh had 252 hp 12 def then loads of special def with calm nature.

>>31158968
http://www.trainertower.com/vgc-17-ev-spread-compendium/

Trainer Tower is a great place to find starting builds and team reports/builds from recent events.

>>31159008
thanks a lot

>>31159039
is TT run by the same faggots who created nugget bridge?

>Vikavolt mirror
>in semifinals
but muh 43 speed shitmon

>>31158664
Bold, I believe

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>Muddy water missing when it actually mattered

>>31159055
I'm not sure.

>>31159093
It's decent and surprisingly bulky.

>that guy with 6 UBs won some matches

how viable would a team with 4 tapus be? damn niggih

>>31159477
I've tried using a team with six weather setters before. It can't be worse than that.
Tapu Koko relies heavily on its Terrain to hit hard, since it's SpA is kind of crap. Bulu and Lele can still be threatening without, but obviously benefit a lot from it. Fini just doesn't care.

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>Vikavolt at masters finals

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Pokemon VGC community is the biggest bunch of hypocritical fucks I've ever encountered in gaming, jesus christ

I always thought that my bugbro(Vikavolt) would never be useful in VGC,and now I see this>>31153826

>>31159860
Ok, I'll do it:
Why do you say that, anon?

I hope Collin loses. He's a fucking asshole.

>>31159860
hello again, verlis

>>31153826
>only 1 muk
wow

>>31159899
>person in the chat asks how people get hidden power legends, train to lv100 etc for the tournments
>tell him they cheat
>get banned for 24 hours even though they were all joking about verlis less than 10 minutes ago
and my favorite:
>[popular VGC youtuber] uploads a bunch of videos how to breed and train your mons
>proceeds to inject all of his pokemon himself

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>>31160038
Gotta inject'em all, man

>>31160038
>>[popular VGC youtuber] uploads a bunch of videos how to breed and train your mons
>>proceeds to inject all of his pokemon himself
Who?

>>31160074
Cybertron for example

I also remember seeing some vid about "how to become a pro Pokemon VGC player" that listed breeding/training your mons as a step 4 or something, lmao

Verlis

Man the Pokemon scene on Twitch is pathetic outside of tournaments, it's all just shiny hunting garbage

>>31160132
And where is your proof that he injects? "Verlis said so"?

>>31160038
Breeding and injecting can co-exist. They're both tools to create a preferred gaming experience. It is wasting time, but a bred pokemon, for some people, does create a sense of accomplishment.

>>31160132
forgot about nugget bridge having a bunch of breeding/legend SRing guides on their website though that site went tits up ages ago anyways

>>31160157
common sense? at this point you'll have a harder time proving there is anyone who DOESN'T cheat
>>31160178
i have a hard time believing that someone who injects would ever bother with breeding

especially if that someone not only plays in the tournaments but also runs a popular YT channel that has to provide content at a somewhat consistent rate

>>31160038
Actually "they" as in the stream staff weren't joking, they tolerated it for about 5 minutes before it predictably began shitting the chat up. So yeah, they might have been a bit testy when the umpteenth viewer felt he had to give his hot take about the audio quality, but in general don't shit where you eat

>>31159916
how did he hurt you, anon?

>>31160275
That's not proof. You're literally accusing everyone just because of a group that does inject.

who even cares if people inject

>>31160317
come on man, do you still believe in legit vgc mons?

>>31160275
Welp, you're wrong. I'm living proof. Also, let's just concede that an individual wouldn't. That still doesn't disclude the two sides from helping each other. In fact, the fact that 6iv shiny dittos are probably the most genned pokemon ever is proof that they can and do. Now if this guy is shitting all over injecting with the breeding guides than yeah fuck that guy.

>>31160357
I don't go around spouting bullshit like if it was a fact. I'm not Verlis.

>>31160357
Legit breedable mons aren't hard to make. Like if you've got a 6iv to work with, any individual ideal pokemon is less than a box away. But for non breedables I can agree those are probably genned. The bottlecap shit didn't really make those things accessible.

>>31160376
nice unrelated answer

>>31160411
>if you've got a 6iv to work with
that's one of the things they inject, among other thing

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>>31160353
I hated it at first, the hypocrisy of the community, everything... really depressing, until I embraced it.

Now I have my perfect mons without effort and I'm happy.

>>31160291
i wasn't trying to shit up the chat though, i just responded to a simple question with a simple answer everyone (including the mods) knew was correct

>>31160317
whatever dude, just because i don't have a definite proof doesn't mean i have to be naive about these things

>>31160353
somehow no one and everyone at the same time, as my experience with the community has shown me
Schrodinger VGC

>>31160412
It's not unrelated at all and you know it.

>>31160456
I'm not being naive nor denying that it is a thing, all I do is not assume shit without definite proof. Is it that hard to understand?

>>31160275
>>31160317
>>31160363
>>31160456
There are quite a few who don't inject, although they generally tolerate others injecting for reasons. And ironically, "e-celebs" like Zheng would only benefit if nobody could gen since they have lots of fans who can collectively soft reset for min speed legendaries with specific HP's etc, so the barrier to doing well in tournaments would only go up.

>>31160456
It doesn't matter what you were attempting, point is genning talk is a touchy subject which is rarely discussed in any productive manner, much less in a medium where it's practically guaranteed to devolve into a shitflinging mess to the benefit of no one

>>31160425
Actually those aren't hard to make either. You can cover all of the breedable egg groups in 7 pokemon and then just deal with 4iv dittos for the things that only breed with ditto. Still not very long.

>>31153826
How does Nick Navarre's team work? Like, what kind of roles does each of those Pokemon play?

I'm kind of new to VGC so I'm unsure how to start building, but I love every single mon on his team.

I'm guessing Fini is there to provide anti-status support, remove Electric or Psychic terrain, and tank hits.

Kartana is a mon I'm not sure how it works in doubles, other than as an Exact-o knife to remove threats on the field. How does Kartana work on a metagame where there are a lot of powerful special attackers like Koko, Xurk, and others while there's decently common fire types like A-Wak

Arcanine seems like it would clash with Tapu Fini a lot. My moderate understanding is that Arcanine is a loveable fluffy damage sponge for physical mons due to Intimidate and Will-o-Wisp - which doesn't really work thanks to Misty Terrain.

I have no idea how Mandibuzz is run. Bulky speed control?

In doubles, is Garchomp tanky or scarfed?

And does Mudsdale exist as Trick Room insurance?

Why is it tha tit always ends the same? People have a good time watching the strategies, and then some salty verlisfag comes here butthurt about people injecting, even if injecting only gives you a time advantage at making tams but does absolutely nothing for skills.

>>31160657
and do you do all that you are talking about?

>>31160736
I think Kartana is used as a fast revenge killer, but also gets support from Arcanine to ensure it lives (Intimidate and Snarl do that)

>>31160736
Ray Rizzo posted a video today with almost the same team.

>>31160777
No, I used to use a 6iv ditto, and then I started breeding the stud harem. Then I started playing SM, used a 6iv ditto again. Even bred out two shiny miniors using the magikarp exploit. Then soundhax came out and I was like eh, why not.

It's definitely reasonable and possible to breed competitive pokemon though. Genning really shines for making shiny stuff.

>>31160824
wrong thread

>>31160824
dat papafranku

>>31160657
Which 7 Pokemon?

>>31160736
Actually, Arcanine synergizes well with Fini, Intimidate/Snarl support makes Fini an unbreakable wall while the tapu threatens some EQ users.
As shown today Fini is used for spread moves (Muddy Water and Dazzling Gleam), and some of them go with Sub and Calm Mind to make it an aggrotank.

>>31160905
Blastoise - Monster, Water 1
Parasect - Bug, Grass
Togekiss - Flying, Fairy
Lucario - Field, Human-Like
Cofagrigus - Mineral, Amorphous
Magikarp - Dragon, Water 2
Kingler - Water 3

>>31160971
Thanks

t. breedfag

>>31160924
That's pretty interesting and something I never considered - I one-dimensionally looked at burn.

Burn Out/Flamethrower
Snarl
???
Protect

Will-O-Wisp to play around other Tapus? Morning Sun for more bulk?

>>31160861
Watching that now.

>>31160800
Good doggie.

>>31161126
Both Sejun and Ray Rizzo run an Offensive Physical set

>>31161126
don't use burn out, you'll very frequently find yourself wanting to use fire moves multiple times while arcanine is out

>>31161147
What coverage moves justify the loss of chip damage on Snarl? Wild Charge on E-Terrain? Relying on Flare Blitz and Wild Charge seems like you're asking to die.

>>31161244
Arcanine (F) @ Firium Z

Ability: Intimidate

Level: 50

EVs: 76 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 12 SpD / 164 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Wild Charge
- Extreme Speed
- Protect
http://blog.naver.com/wp2dmldkdlel/220899553824

>>31161244
I don't like offensive arcanine either but it's mostly there as a surprise

A couple of questions regarding post-bank:

>Will Pokemon in the Alolan Dex with previously illegal moves/ability from just gen 7 be allowed to have those? For example, Swift Swim Carracosta.
>Will Pink Gastrodon be legal? If so, which color will more people use?

>>31161348
breed moves yes

>>31161158
Not him, but I only felt the need to use Flamethrower like 3 times in over 50 battles with my Arcanine, and it was to hit Celesteela with a Z-move.

>>31161348
The two Gastrodons are functionally identical so it doesn't matter at all. People who want to use pink Gastrodon will go for it, but blue will probably be more common simply because its the only form obtainable without the use of bank.

Quick, I need the most VGC team you can come up with.

>>31161514
3 cresselias and 3 thundurus

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>>31161514

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>>31161514
>>31161582

Lmao at this ray faggo dude he sucks at pokemon xD
How tf this nerdy ass lookin sissy win a champion
chiphttps://youtu.be/p19Yx27w8X0

So one of the things I got wrecked with is Swagger Tapu Fini, has anybody else been using it

>>31161649
I'm not watching 37 minutes of rizzo playing in his basement

>>31161649
Ray, you're drunk. Go to bed.

>>31161686
It's better than the 24 hours you play in your mom's basement lmao xD

>>31161815
ray...

I

>>31161677
it's seen some use but most people understand that self-swagger memes aren't worth the moveslot b/c fini's better off with sub or CM

>>31163494
Yeah, when you think about it, it's just Swords Dance except it uses up a turn of your other Pokémon and it has a 15% chance to fail, and Swords Dance isn't exactly popular in VGC anyway.

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Help me, prease.
I don't know how 2017 works and I'm one of those people who has to play the meta to know the meta.

http://pastebin.com/6BpCRCJ4

>>31164280
Snarl is a weird choice for Tapu Bulu. It could work for gimmick fun but usually you'd want Superpower there. Or give it Leftovers and Protect instead. Grassy Terrain+Leftovers does a tonne.
8 Speed EVs gives the same stat as 4 Speed EVs, and 248 HP EVs gives the same stat as 244. Make it 252 HP/4 Spe.
Gyarados seems sensible enough
If you're running Choice Scarf on Salamence, I'd definitely go Modest instead of Timid. Modest still outspeeds Pheremosa (by far the fastest thing in the meta) and Timid is still slower than anything speed invested in tailwind/swift swimmers.
Porygon2 generally runs Download instead of Trace. I love Trace personally, but the +1 boltbeam KOs a load of things.

Although Trick Room is rarely a bad idea overall when it's used reactively to the game situation, I would question whether your team really benefits from it much, when you have a DD Gyarados and a Choice Scarf Salamence.

>>31164467
I figured Superpower wouldn't really be useful in a lot of situations, Wood Hammer + Rock Slide pretty much covers anything common that resists the other, doesn't it? Snarl would add some utility.

Fixed the EVs and Nature.

I don't really know, if I really wanted to stop Trick Room I could always put Taunt on Gyarados but I liked Substitute better and I was missing Pokemon so I figured I'd go with another Trick Roomer to disable enemy Trick Rooms which would screw over my team.

Added Kartana.

http://pastebin.com/L8K9HSuJ

>>31164467
trick room is mandatory on p2 if you want to get far. i remember a thing about the "big six" teams being that they always have a dedicated trick room setter for the sake of cancelling out opposing tr.

>>31164689
>I figured Superpower wouldn't really be useful in a lot of situations, Wood Hammer + Rock Slide pretty much covers anything common that resists the other, doesn't it? Snarl would add some utility.
It's pretty useful now that Magnezone is rising on usage, as well as Kartana. Rock Slide is not that great in my opinion, the damage is lackluster and you don't get many flinches either with that speed. Then again, I prefer a more bulky supportive Bulu over the offensive one, so what do I know

>>31164932
Well I didn't mention it (or listed it because I'm a bird brain) but I did change Snarl for Superpower and Trace for Download.

Also, I do believe Defensive Tapu Bulu might be better but I feel like with this team composition I always find myself at the mercy of BeamBolt but because of Assault Vest I tend to live pretty much any Ice Beam he gets hit by, even after taking some damage. So I kind of like this more aggressive one for my team.

>>31165051
well, silly me, didn't notice the ass vest. Don't get me wrong, offensive bulu is great, and it does seem to fit well in your team.
How do you deal with Muk?

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>go 5-3 with team at a regional
>"okay, it's alright, but not great, let me see what i can build for next time"
>keep coming back to the same pokemon that were on said team over and over

maddening. it's not even like i was running a bunch of tapus/UBs
ninetales, muk, and garchomp are on almost everything i test now

>>31166658
It's alright anon, people usually repeat mons in a lot of their teams, because they're used to using them, or to the role they fill.
I'm the same. The team needs a steel type? Better bring Scizor. Need an answer to rain? Good ol' Lapras. And so on.
There's nothing wrong with that, unless they are not working out and you keep using them purely because you like them.

>>31165478
>How do you deal with Muk?
I don't have anything specific so it'll probably give me trouble but I think with my Intimidate core and maybe double target I could take it out and take minimal damage.

Did Fini just become the best Tapu?

>>31169356
best meme

>>31169356
Nah. I loved how one of the commentators in Dallas was saying how people once thought fini was the worst, but it's seen a rise in use. And in the very next battle, fini did nothing but get KOed.

>>31169356
It's lele > fini > koko >bulu

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>>31169424
>Bulu worst tapu

>>31169797
You know it's true.

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You genners make me sick. Here's my paragraph on the subject. I think I changed lives wit this. *teleports away*

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>All these faggots using Fini now

GET OUT

STOP USING HER

I WAS WITH HER SINCE DAY 1

I SAID SHE WAS UNDERRATED AND SHE WOULD WIN WORLDS OVER ALL THE OTHER TAPUS

YOU ARE JUST FOLLOWING THE BANDWAGONG

STOP USING MY POKEWAIFU

REEEEEEEEE

>>31172028
Literally all Sejun's fault

>>31172046
Senjun is rocking a choice specs one right?

>>31172121
Yeah.
http://blog.naver.com/wp2dmldkdlel/220899553824

I need a hard balls to the wall TR counter.

What could be good?

>>31172199
Gigalith?

>>31172199
Anything with roar

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>>31172028
I bet next regionals the number one used Pokémon is something previously relatively obscure, like Vanilluxe, or Dragonite, or Bewear.
Every major tournament so far has been full of surprises.
One month ago, people thought pic related was this year's Big 6 and we could all just use it until worlds
Three weeks ago, people thought Oranguru+Torkoal would be the most powerful lead
Two weeks ago, people still thought Fini was unusable trash.

>>31172370
It'll be Vanilluxe.
Maybe not number one, though. But it'll be notably present.

To whoever said the other day that Adrenaline Orb should be used on things that don't deter Intimidate like Lele, thank you for the idea. I'm trying it and it's been 10/10 so far.

>>31172554
Seems obvious to me. People are retards putting it on milotic, when it's going to deter intimidate anyway and have a useless item.

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>>31172571
It's specially nice when I'm now completely fucking over those annoying as fuck Gyarados/Koko leads.

>Get a +1 speed so now I can kill Koko
>Terrain order goes before the Orb goes off so I win the Terrain war
>Meanwhile Ninetales can either get a free kill on Gyarados without having to worry about Koko hitting it hard or just set up Veil to make Lele not give a shit about Waterfall
>Koko dies to Psychic yes or yes even if it has Sash because Hail

Replace Koko with Garchomp on the lead and it's even better.

The rest of the team needs work though. I'm also carrying Pheromosa, Metagross and Arcanine but either I'm a shitter or they are just not good fits for this team.

>>31172625
Post full team.

>>31172370
it'll be bulk up Buzzwole with tailwind and aurora veil support

>>31172650
http://pastebin.com/76vw9PZ4

Here you go. Mind you, I made this team not even an hour ago.

>>31172657
Funny that you mention that because one guy in Argentina made top 4 with a Hail team with Buzzwole on it.

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>>31172667
Oh, nevermind top cut. The madman actually won it.

>>31172625
run gastrodon to deal with araquanid and milotic. give it clear smog if you're worried about +2 ice beams (or set-up sweepers in general - helps a lot against Snorlax cheese)

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>>31172667
>>31172676
drop muk for aerodactyl and it's ready for the next regionals
I was joking because I was unprepared for buzzwole meme and got rekt by it like a month ago, I can't believe it actually won something

>>31172667
Random comments:
You're missing a bunch of 4s.
Is Light Clay actually worth it on Ninetales?
Might want to use Groundium Z on Sandslash
Seems like you have issues dealing with TR.

>>31172676
In fairness, winning a Premier Challenge isn't really any indication of a changing meta, since there are dozens of them every month across the world.

I won my first PC a few weeks ago, and my opponent in the finals had a fucking Dig Vikavolt. That's not because it's super-deep new meta, it's just that I live in the middle of nowhere and no serious players could be bothered travelling to, so I got all the local kids with their in-game teams.

>>31172712
Skeeter has a real good movepool.

Too bad about NO DRAIN PUNCH

TUTORS WHEN

REEEEE

I might try it over Pheromosa so see how it does. She's fast but I don't like how she dies to everything.

What was the one who rekt your shit running?

>>31172728
>Is Light Clay actually worth it on Ninetales?
So far, not that much. Might replace.

>Might want to use Groundium Z on Sandslash
Maybe. I've seen it getting used a lot here and there.

>Seems like you have issues dealing with TR.
I do. I'll try running Gastrodon like >>31172680 mentioned.

Not really surprised the team has so many obvious holes, it's just something I whipped up because I wanted to try Hail.

>>31172667
Light Clay is alright but you'd probably prefer Focus Sash
How useful is Rock Tomb on Metagross? It's a cool move and I guess Bullet Punch is undesirable with Psychic Terrain, but Sub is pretty great on Metagross too.
Your Arcanine is Calm (+SpD) with no SpD EVs. I assume you just threw whatever on there, but technically speaking you could run Timid with 252HP, 84SpD and 148Spe and get exactly the same stats with 24 EVs left over.

Gib me a team and ill make it to worlds lol

>>31172828
You're the boss
http://pastebin.com/AtQB0Pmx

>>31172768
Spicland tourneys are always full of people who know their shit and are at least half-decent at game. There's not that many players so all the ones who turn up are ones who have real interest on tourneyfagging. None of the guys there are World-caliber players or something but it's not any random murrikan can go there and wreck sweep the tourney without losing a single mon.

Source: I'm a spic so I know how things work down here.

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I want to run Mudsdale for the sole purpose of dealing with Koko also Mega Metagross. I plan to use Assault Vest, but should I go with:
>Max HP EVs and mixed Def/Sp. Def EVs
>Max HP EVs and Max Def EVs
>Max HP EVs and Max Sp. Def EVs
>some other method

>>31172929
>mega metagross
???

>>31172889
Kek, on it b0ss

>>31172932
Oh, my mistake, this set is for Battle Spot singles, should I try /wfg/ instead?

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>year of the rooster

is modest fini with specs an ideal build?

>>31173026
specs is unnecessary, go leftovers or like rindo/wacan/sitrus

>>31173171
what is the best recommended spread for fini?

is it wise to put grass knot on fini?

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>Team I had been using for a while and I has been the most successful team I've had since the season started is not useless because everyone and their mom has started to carry stuff that completely destroy it thanks to the recent metagame developments
It's not fair!

>>31173307
What's the team/what's been wrecking you, anon

>>31173307
Fuck off

>>31173791
rude

>use Fini for the first time
>Muddy Water miss
>Muddy Water miss
>Muddy Water miss
bad tapu

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>>31173307
That's how metagames work. If something is good, people will discover it sooner or later, then the metagame will shift to counter it and it won't be as good any more.
Only incredibly solid Pokémon (Tapus, Garchomp etc.) are so good that they stay strong when everybody and their mum counters them.
Worlds 2014 having no Kangaskhan was kind of an extreme case of this.

I want to at least make top cut at a premier challenge in a couple weeks. Could you guys help me identify threats to the team I've thrown together and make adjustments accordingly? I feel like I should try to put something like kartana/bulu/lele on the team, but I'm not sure who I would replace.

http://pastebin.com/yizLjag1

Is this a generally decent team build?

>>31174447
It's very good overall, but a fast earthquake user can give you trouble.
Try switching Oranguru or Porygon2 (a trick room user is enough, specially seeing you have a fast pokemon) for a Tapu Bulu, it beats ground types, gives your team resistance to earthquake, and if you're good, it works nicely both inside and outside of trick room.

>>31174526

Thanks for the feedback. I wanted to fit Bulu onto the team so I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's a good idea. What kind of spread would you recommend? Defensive bulky? All out attack? I'm not completely sure how to best synergize it with the rest of the team.

MUDDY

>>31175330
W

>>31175533
H

>>31175555
C*ECK'D

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most balanced year?

>>31176544
it's too early to tell -- it's only been a month. Either way it's good that there's no "big 6" yet like there was last year

>>31176577
I was asking which do you think it's the most balanced year of vgc

>>31176680
I don't know enough about the early formats to say, but 2014 was pretty balanced. 2017 is probably more balanced than 2014 as well.

>>31176544
can you fuck off already

>>31156960
>>31158888
>>31173791
>>31176916
Fuck off.

>>31174447

After testing this (-porygon2, + tapu bulu) and getting up to 1417 on the ladder, then losing three matches in a row, I've come to the conclusion that gigalith is a wicked hard counter to my team. Best way to deal with them?

>>31177420
Bulu? Idk how youre having an issue, but kartana can work i guess

>>31176695
anyone who calls 2014 balanced never played it. the entire meta revolved around mega mom and either using it or packing multiple counters to it. "muh pachirisu" says nothing about how balanced the format was.

>>31177420
252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Gigalith in Grassy Terrain: 272-324 (141.6 - 168.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Garchomp Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Gigalith: 248-294 (129.1 - 153.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Bonemerang (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Gigalith: 148-176 (77 - 91.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Torkoal Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 8 SpD Assault Vest Gigalith: 90-108 (46.8 - 56.2%) -- 81.3% chance to 2HKO
???

Also I don't think Torkoal gets Earth Power this year.

>>31177786
Really? I top cut my country's Nationals that year and even there I was seeing all sorts of unusual stuff. In my last four games I played against a Victreebel, Roserade, Exploud, Florges and Lanturn

>>31177827
you could also try nature power on torkoal so you can still have a useful grass move under sand, as long as bulu's terrain is up (turns it into energy ball)

>>31169424
>lele better than fini

not anymore anon

>>31177927
>Tri Attack by default, Thunderbolt, Psychic, Moonblast and Energy Ball under Terrain
Wow, that's way better than I remember it being

>>31177904
What's it like to live in a south american shitcountry?

>>31176544
way too early to tell, metas are always more diverse in the first few months before people really figure out what's good and the people using shit like Golduck scrub out.

>>31169424
Irrelevant to order them because they all have their roles, your team comp determines which one is best to run and which one will give you the most trouble. None of them are as particularly dominant as Landorus/Thundurus were in past seasons.

>>31172028
Daily reminder that /vgcg/ identified fini as best tapu back when everyone was cumming themselves over literally Jolteon 3.0.

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>predict opponent raichu shattered psyche and switch in to muk
>"good now there aren't any outstanding threats to my sash ninetales"
>he has a scarfchomp in the back

IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR

>>31177449
>>31177827

After trick room gigalith moves before bulu, and it manages to OHKO somehow

>>31178203
did you try to git gud

>>31178047
>>31176680

>>31177904
seeing karenfags doesn't mean it was balanced

>>31178114
Who's Jolteon 2.0?

>>31178938
Top Kek

>>31179059
That's 3.0

>>31179068
then who's 1.0?

I've been seeing a lot more Kommo-o lately. What I'm I missing?

>>31179156
Some meme team:

http://pastebin.com/myRAzPRZ

>>31179204
What an odd team.

It makes me sad to see that even now dedicated Hail teams cannot pull through. The only way you ever see Hail, successfully, is just on teams that have one Hail setter but no overall focus on Hail.

I miss Abomasnow, HailRoom would actually be pretty good right now, maybe.

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dumping these

>>31179204
>>31179348
actually the top 1 on smogon's vgc ladder

>>31179387
Still?

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>>31179371

>>31179113
jolteon

>>31179393
fuck off

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>>31179400

>>31179426
It's just a honest question lad. No need to get upset.

How hard is it to make the transition from standard smogon OU to vgc?

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>>31179454

>>31179542
Not really that hard unless you have the OU mentality ingrained super deep into your head.

>>31179597

What are the key differences? I noticed lots of protect usage here.

>>31179609
first learn what a double battle is
then learn the vgc rules and resources in the OP

>>31179542
Both are formats for faggots like you and me, so you should be fine.

>>31179609
Entry hazards are shit and you no longer have to waste a move slot on something useless as shit as Rapid Spin.

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>>31179609

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only 90's kids will remember

>>31176544
hell no, even 2011 was more balanced than this

>>31179387
>>31179393
No, it dropped away quickly. i don't even see him anywhere anymore.

>>31179772
What's imbalanced about it?

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>>31179811
you're talking bout the theam or the player?

>>31179546
>starters with illegal abilities
can you use them on showdown or what?

>>31179869
you can't make every mon work

>>31179689
the problem with chalk was that literally the same six mons were the only viable team. even if that image you posted were true (hint: it isn't) it still concedes that at least 30 mons are viable.

>>31180066
>30 mons out of 300

>>31179861
>when you go undefeated but job at the finals.

>>31177975

That's because Pre-Gen 6, it was a mixture of physical moves, that was why Sawsbuck with Nature Power in Gen 5 was a pretty common set because it defaulted to Earthquake in Wi-Fi battles.

>>31180136
>it defaulted to Earthquake in Wi-Fi battles
what?

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>>31160038

>>31179715
what was butterfree doing?

>>31180305
I only remember sleep powder

>>31177975
then why nobody uses it on porygon2?

>>31160074
Not VGC but Shofu has made videos before about how to breed and train in different games, when he's open about the fact that he just injects everything and doesn't even make half the stuff he uses.

>>31180399
Can't learn it.

>>31180399
3/4 tapus resist their terrain's nature power and a lot of people don't like tri attack on p2 anyway

>>31180199
It's based on the terrain,and WiFi battle terrain was eq

>>31180399
Because conversion is better.

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Migrate daze:

>>31180716
>>31180716
>>31180716
>>31180716

>>31178938
Heliolisk