/vgcg/ - VGC General

first for lele is best girl

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I'm here and I'm ready to party.

What do you guys think of fat face kitty?

>>31096614
Tapus don't play, they're hardcore.

>>31096614
Mandatory "What? they learn Play Rough now?" comment.

Goodra mixed set?

>>31097143
Looks like shit.

>>31096614
I would rather Xerneas got Play Rough than the Tapus.
I was the judge for the Juniors and Seniors at a Regionals a few months ago, the winner had a Choice Band Xerneas with Close Combat, Rock Slide, Horn Leech and Moonblast. It was great.

>>31097334
Physical Xerneas sounds quite fun actually.

By the way, can you tell us about the experience of being a VGC judge? How do you get it into it? What's the work you have to do? Do you do it for free?

>>31097460
I've answered questions in these threads a few times before
It's just volunteers from the community. There's a scheme on pokemon.com to sign up for it, but the actual tests are entirely spirit of the game (how to deal wit upset children, how to deal with people bragging about hacking etc.) so you still get judges who have never even played competitively and wouldn't even begin to know what moves, abilities and balls are illegal.
Usually we're paid a booster box for a regionals, two for a nationals. Not usually much for a PC.

>>31097526
Thanks m8.

>you still get judges who have never even played competitively and wouldn't even begin to know what moves, abilities and balls are illegal.

I guess that's why worlds and streamed events are always full of old men as judges.

>>31097143
trash mon with minor uses, still not really that bulky even with fur coat.

>>31097760
Yeah they're mostly peoples' dads who only joined as a judge so they can do father/son bonding or whatever

>>31096614
What do you even hit with Playrough on Bulu?
Muk still shits on you all day.
Garchomp shits on you before you move.
Celesteela still doesn't care.

>>31098285

Garchomp gets BTFO by wood hammer, kek

>>31098379
but everyone is now copying sekiam's bulky AV set

>>31097760
To judge at worlds you need to be friends with actual TPCI employees, which generally means you do actually know about Pokémon.
There's still a bunch of TCG judges put on VGC for no reason though.

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>>31096614
tfw I didn't know about Synchronize until I already catched every Pokémon.

>>31098810
Just get hacks for legends honestly. Even if you SR the right nature, you're fucked if you want a different nature later on

>>31098810
oh, fuck off m8...

>120+ hours in the game already
>still haven't finished training my team for battlespot

goddammit I miss blissey bases.

>>31099055
>35 hours in
>all injected ready for battlespot

>>31099083
This. There is even a stupidly easy homebrew entrypoint right now for every updated console, so you can extract your save and inject shit with PKHeX.

>>31099131
link?

Healthy young child plays VGC, gets stalled by Celesteela, doesn't feel good and changes - AUTISM. Many such cases!

>>31099211
https://github.com/nedwill/soundhax

>>31099216
Stalling kids with a Celesteela sounds pretty autist too. Hell, you even write as one.

>>31099216
What's Donald Trump doing here

>>31099270
what did he mean by this?

>>31098397
link?

>>31100124
fuck off

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Favorite year?

>>31102069
2014 despite the memes

>>31102069
worlds-wise 2014 had top memes and gimmicks. Season-wise I really liked 2015 actually.

>>31102069
see >>31100450

>>31102069
2013 without a doubt.

>>31102138
>Season-wise I really liked 2015 actually
Me too, but I never say it here because no one seems to remember anything other than the CHALK shit.

>>31102201
Thanks for the double ...............

>>31102069
Any year without genies is a good year to me.

>>31102069
Unironically loved 2015, I kept playing it on battle spot through to the end of gen 6, something about the meta made matches really intense

I'm really looking forward to playing the SM equivalent once bank comes out since they made so many good balance changes

>>31102220
I like it too. I found it fun thinking of ways to deal with the inevitable thundurus/landorus leads. Just the other day I woke up with an idea in my head of mega gengar and raichu. Fake out lando, icy wind, then outspeed it next turn and KO with shadow ball. Meanwhile, thundurus can't do much besides taunt, or swagger if it had it. I think raichu was super underrated that year.

>>31102285
>tfw no expert belt special wide guard swampert
;_; once I got wrecked by a thundurus with grass knot

>>31102352
One time I used grass knot on thundurus. Maybe I was him.

>>31102285
Sounds like a cool strategy.

I liked to use Suicune, had a lot of great moves.

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>That feel when you turn around a game after you started with a horrible lead and your opponent was wrecking your shit for the first half of the battle

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>>31103325
>Get paired with the same guy the next match
>Fix my picks for this one round
>He forfeits turn 2

Someone teach me how to Krookodile.

I keep using it like a discount Garchomp no matter what I do.

>>31103794
that's because it is aside from intimidate

>>31103833
Then what do I do? I need a moderately fast ground type to replace the Garchomp slot because he's a total dead weight.

Why isn't speed swap Ribombee a thing?

>>31103858
Too gimmicky.

>>31103857
>garchomp
>dead weight
how?

>>31103994
He dies too easily, too much Intimidate, everything I need him to kill kills him first, can't ever find a good switch-in for him.

>>31104077
dude scarfchomp lmao
jokes aside I find it pretty useful

>>31104077
just wait for the adrenaline orb garchomp meta

>>31104171
I pair my scarfchomp with milotic to deter the intimidators, and gigalith for sand veil shenanigans. Is great

>>31104284
just wait for the red card thundurus meta

I've been seeing a lot of Inceniroar and Dhelmise, but they never fucking do anything other than dying. Has someone used either of them to good success and everyone is copying him or something? Can't find a reason to use those two.

Since I get two Celesteela, which nature's should I aim for?

>>31104646
>nature's

wtf phone

>>31103858
Because pheromosa does the same thing and might even kill something before going down

>>31104284
What about Adrenaline orb Milotic? Or Adrenaline orb+Contrary Lurantis.

>>31104677
>Adrenaline orb+Contrary Lurantis

That's a Showderp thing.

>>31104677
>What about Adrenaline orb Milotic?
that's one of its best items

>>31104667
Well, Ribombee can't be flinched.

>>31096614
>wanting tapus
Speak for yourself, faggot, you are no man. Fuck genies: zigzags everywhere edition.

>>31098810
>catched

>>31104677
>Adrenaline orb+Contrary Lurantis

Anon...

>>31105024
Oh

>>31104971
cry more

>>31104932
I've found it better on pokemon that don't deter intimidate already (for fear of becoming an essentially useless item).
AdOrb Lele is a pretty good example of what I consider a better pick for the item.

>>31104677
Milotic was sent to tourneys with it, it never worked because it already freaks intimidators out by just being Milotic.

I guess it's good on support mons that usually run sash. Sash is a good item but there's a lot of Gigalith/Ninetales going around too, so maybe as an alternative it could work.

g'night

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FFFFFFUck Arcanine

>>31108166
What moves were it running?

https://twitter.com/IPokemonLeague

Thoughts? Some VGC players are on as coaches, I think it's a circlejerky joke that will never take off just like the other "team leagues" before it.

>>31110088
What is it even supposed to be?

So people now play mixed Goodra? Which set?

>>31110833
pretty sure its just powerwhip being used with 0 attack ev's for gastrodon.

What's a good krookodile set thats running around? Just the usual 4 252 252?

>>31110967
I've been running that with EQ/Crunch as the main source of dmg, I already got a mon with AV so I just gave it a Darkinium Z

>>31110833
Goodra is shit, I don't know why people run it. Haven't had any issues with it and usually means a free KO.

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Good night, /vgcg/!

>>31111023
Why is shit? Looks like it can pack a decent punch to Tapus and Celesteela

>>31111023
it's alright, and it can pick up some sick ohko's on x4 stuff like bulu and gyarados, but in the end I think the main selling point is it's special bulk and that's about it.

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>it's a "let's ladder with a competent team, then change it to a shitty one to take a photo of my rating" episode

How do I counter mental herb Oranguru and trick room teams in general?

good set for mimikyu?

>>31111554
He used a turn to setup so you have the momentum on your side if you use 2 attacking moves.

I find the generally best strategy is to target down oranguru first because ignoring him is too costly.

>>31111558
it isn't good unless you are using trick room. that's all it does.

>>31111371
I'm trying to figure out what oricorio does. I guess pheromosa could quiver dance, then oricorio feather dance so that phero can survive something.

Also, 205-127. Is a 60% win rate good? Is all you need to get high on the ladder to play a ton of games? I never do more than 50ish.

>>31112157
>I guess pheromosa could quiver dance, then oricorio feather dance so that phero can survive something.
what?

>>31112232
Oricorio's ability lets it use a "dance" move immediately after something else using a dance move, regardless of speed.

>>31111371
>one niche Pokemon means it must be a bad team
??

Im about to start catching the Ultra Beasts and before i start i wanted to know what are their best natures so that i can use the appropiate synchronize on them.
Anyone knows? thanks in advance.

>>31112261
It uses the move that the other Pokémon used. Not just another dance move.

>>31112261
Uh no? Dancer lets you copy a Dance move used on the field insantly.

>>31113092
>>31113095
Oh. Take it up with serebii's vague wording.

>>31111554
Hit it until it dies

>>31110088
It sounds like it's just a YouTube series hosted by a group rather than an individual.

saving this thread

>>31111554

Roar/Whirlwind user.

>>31116743
That could actually work,
I can imagine lots of ragequits.

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when does it start?

>>31116781
Roar and Whirlwind are pretty great moves. They also hit through Protect, which surprises a lot of people.

>>31111554
I find harder to prevent TR if the Oranguru has Sitrus. If it's Mental Herb I just double-target it with Lele (so no Fake Out shit) and something equally strong.

>>31117765
The problem is that a lot of teams can KO it by double targeting it, or they can taunt it, but there's no way to know which you should do until you've scouted their item.

Anyone got a rare kitchen level 5?
I'm trying not to use injection, but their one last pokemon for me to get to level 100.

>>31117710
While Roar and Whirlwind are useful, outside of mental herb Oranguru, Taunt is better as it lock the pokemon down, either forcing a switch or an unfavorable turn following.

>>31117921
Yeah, I used it against Eevee for a while, but it still requires hitting the Clefairy/Smeargle and then the Eevee slot the next turn.

>>31097526
>Usually we're paid a booster box for a regionals, two for a nationals
I don't play the card game though...
Although if someone handed me a booster box I probably would. Shit looked hype and way more complex that it was in Gen 1 when I watched the finals. Cycling power cards to your Genesect-cannon looked like something out of Magic.

if you're supposed to give your cartridge to the judges for a hack check

then how do judges even check on digital copies?

>>31118082
TPCI just don't know what to give VGC players. At the International Championships, TCG players got an exclusive playmat and a promo card with a resale value of about £30. VGC players, with the same entry fee, got a baseball cap with a resale value of about £5.

To be honest it's better when they give VGC players/staff TCG merch since at least it's easy to sell.

>>31116846
Anyone knows?

>>31118196
They sigh in an exasperated fashion and curse TPCI for still not accounting for download copies.

>>31118290
fukkin tiiight

>>31118569
You'll still have to be able to connect to WiFi and enter unranked battles, and if the judges aren't retarded they can manual hack check. You're not going to get to win a tournament with anything significantly hacked if the judges are even remotely competent.

>>31118627
I hacked a 5IV shiny braviary with HA, only because I hatched 2 shiny with keen eye

I've been using it online but i figured if anyone says anything i'll just say I traded it from my other version sense it has me listed as OT

>>31118726
JUDGE

>>31118749
nothing to see here, looks legit to me

>>31118726
If it works online and the encounter data (location, caught or egg hatched data matches egg moves etc.) doesn't say anything dumb then 99% chance there's nothing that can be proven hacked.

>>31104619
I've been running AssVest incineroar right now, it's pretty good. Having a psychic immunity in the age of top lel is always nice and has a lot of useful support moves (fake out, u-turn, snarl, WoW if you use another item). I expect it to become very popular once it gets Intimidate, but even now you can see it as a bulkier mienshao with a different typing.

What would be a decent ELO in PS to know when a team is more or less ready for cart?

I'm glad the VGC meme is dying

I'm glad the Smogon meme is dying

>>31119914
Smogon has never been as big as it is now. It went from literally 200 players on the biggest Shoddy Battle server in gen 4 to almost 20000 on Showdown in gen 7. Meanwhile VGCucks wet themselves in excitement if 100 people show up on their shitty """events""" lolololol.

>>31120014
>lolololol
could you go be underage somewhere else

>>31120014
And Random Battles have about five times as many players as OU, does that mean it's got the most dedicated and engrossing competitive circuit?

@31120014
>comparing live event attendances to a website

You're not even worth the red clover.

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>>31120072
>I have no argument so I'll just pick on something irrelevant instead
>>31120137
No, it just means it's the default tier pick on Showdown.

>>31120164
The thing is the attendance more than halved since the disasterous 2016 Uber memeta and never recovered. Even this general stays dead for days while shit like showderp burns through 5 threads in one day.

>>31120196
>argument
your bait is poor and not worth replying to because it makes no sense at all

>>31120274
International Championships got something like 550 players, which is bigger than any nationals since 2014 IIRC
The three premier challenges in the UK since then have gotten 9, 8 and 6 players though, so having your biggest event at the start of the season clearly kills off all interest
(Keep in mind you need eight players for it to be worth CP)

>>31118237
Yeah I mean especially given that you're at a tournament it seems like it would be super easy to just turn around and sell it to someone. And I honestly don't really know what they could give VGC.
>>31118726
That's what I do with anything I edit or hack. If anyone asked it was from my other copy, and I restarted the game to get more legendaries so all that trainer data is gone now...
>>31120014
Shoddy Battle was the shit. I liked that client better than Showdown's downloaded client.

live tream when?

>>31121447
around 11am CST tomorrow

>>31121810
fuck off

>>31113068
Late, but maybe these?

>Nihilego
Timid

>Buzzwole
Adamant

>Pheromosa
Naive

>Xurkitree
Timid, Modest if scarfed

>Celesteela
Careful, maybe Brave

>Kartana
Jolly, Adamant if scarfed

>Guzzlord
???

>>31122305
Celest is playable with basically any non-neutral or defence lowering nature.

When they do hack checks for your cart, what do they look for? Illegal pokemon or do they check if your save data has been modified with pkhex.

>>31122717
they basically have an offline pkvldt (online checker) which is usually out of date (new events get flagged).

they can see a small overview of the pkm's IV/EV stats too.

>>31104619
Dhelmise I can't help you on, I'm of the same opinion it's kinda useless. Even in dedicated Trick Room there are even stronger abusers of it.

But Incineroar is almost certainly AssVest usually with a bit of investment in speed. It's incredibly bulky far more than most people would give it credit for and is one of the only things in this whole meta besides Metagross who threatens Top Lel.

>>31111554
I just use Krook with Dark Z and one shot him.

Would Trick Room+Endeavor work as a strategy?Then go with a priority move after?

>>31096614
>men

>>31123200
It can also run trick room support in a similar manner to how the assault vest variant works, but run some defensive status moves. Dropping the vest to run protect can help it scout and bait, along with running fake out and u- turn. Protect, fake out, u- turn, and will- o- wisp is an alright option, but I prefer flare blitz in the last spot. In conclusion I believe that fake out/protect can provide the type of support Incineroar could use to be productive at the cost of dropping the assault vest.

>>31102069
why was japan so fucking dominant in 2015?

>>31123769
japanese players were the only ones that took XY's battlespot (which had NatDex no penatgon mons allowed, unlike VGC14) seriously and thus had like 2 years of practice in that format. CHALK was also simply too consistent even against opponents who crafted their team to beat it.

My team is Tapu Lele, Gyarados, Marowak, Celesteela, and Porygon2 right now
What would work best in the sixth team slot?

>>31123993
something something garchomp and drop tapu lele for koko and you have the cookie cutter standard VGC17 team right there.

>>31123769
2015 was Bo1 and japan is very good at Bo1
Japan is bad at Bo3 which is why there were hardly any of them in 2016

>>31124050
>2015 was Bo1
lol no

>>31124046
>Garchomp
Who would that be helping though? Garchomp isn't good under TR, and doesn't help put it up either.

starts in 18h right

>>31124098
neither are gyarados and tapu lele, what's your point?

>>31123993
another celesteela check

consider magneton/zone

>>31124187
>Lele
Psychic Terrain helps put up TR, what are you talking about?
>>31124194
Zone was pretty high on my list, so I could have something for Rain as well. Wouldn't that make my team too weak to Marowak though?

>>31124241
give porygon2 shadow ball and magnezone HP ground if you're that worried

>>31124254
>Less than 24 hours to breed an HP Ground Magnezone
Fug

>>31124294
I can breed you one in five minutes.

>>31124294
;^)

Injecting is easy as ever. Even the latest firmware can do it now.

>>31124294
Are you going to Dallas or something?

>>31124337
>Less than 24 hours to try and figure out how to homebrew and inject
F u g

>>31124356
Yes

>>31124327
With min speed?

>>31124337
>Even the latest firmware
Oh shit

>>31124098
>Garchomp isn't good under trick room
Plenty of trick room teams have Garchomp. It's fast, but it's bulky enough to not need to outspeed, and it very much enjoys being able to outspeed things like Ninetales and Tapu Koko.
The majority of successful Trick Room teams have fast options anyway.

>>31124431
Of course.

>>31123725
Quite frankly I believe Incineroar is just one of these things which doesn't want to be running Protect. It has no place sticking around if it doesn't have anything to do.

Leave support sets to Arcanine, it's far superior at that kind of thing. If you have to run Fake Out on Incineroar than do so but leave the rest of the set for coverage and just settle for being fat.

>>31123920
I'd argue the real lynchpins of CHALK was simply Heatran and Land-T. Those are just two Pokemon which are just made in a way that makes them near perfect in any team.

Heatran's amount of resists/immunities combined with it's offense and defenses is just plain unfair.

>>31124254
So with HP Ground what would be the best set to use?
Discharge/Flash Cannon/HP/Protect? TBolt over Discharge if I'm running a move for Marowak?

>>31124875
tbolt over discharge yeah, you need the big damage and your team doesn't have any other ground immunes besides marowak.

Otherwise I guess you could run both over hp ground

>>31124901
Alright, one other moveset question I've been having trouble with, which move on Marowak should I be swapping for protect?
Rock Slide, Bonemerang, Flare Blitz, Shadow Bone

I've been seeing a lot of figy with random pokemon, like arcanine or gastrodon and it's very annoying.

Speaking of arcanine, lots of people have been saying they have trouble with it. How would you deal with it? I've been thinking of running krookodile. Z ground OHKOs, and I assume most arcanine won't be outspeeding krook.

>>31126981
Rock slide.

>>31127028
Can Gyarados do alright without Rock Slide support?

>>31127282
What support does rock slide provide gyarados?

>>31127325
Deals enough damage to let Gyarados get a few good KOs at +1 it wouldn't be able to otherwise?

>>31127429
Well, whatever works for you. Any chip damage would work.

>buy tickets for dallas
>develop bipolar depression and lose my job because I'm fucking up at work so badly, can't afford a hotel room
Welp. At least I can watch the stream.

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>>31127769

>>31127769
>I live in Arlington and I'm debating if I should go or not just because of how underprepared I am and it's my first VGC and I know I'm just going to lose and lose and lose and have to look at myself in the mirror that evening realizing that I'm such a failure that I can't even succeed at a fucking JRPG for little children

>>31127769
>>31127902

This threads may not be the best place to discuss VGC, but at least they are the comfiest. You are welcome here anons.

>>31127984
Where would be better, even?
nuggetbridge is dead and was shit, smogon seems pretty dead...

>>31127984
So for a first timer, what w/l should I be aiming for to not put a bullet in my head?
50%-ish?

>tfw you get crit 6 times in a single game and proceed to go on tilt and lose the next 4 games

I guess that's how the game tells me I need to go play something else, huh.

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>>31128281
Having fun

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>>31128496
I'm afraid that's an impossibility

good night /vgcg/
keep this thread alive until the stream starts

>>31128496
delet this

Trying to get into VGC 2017, getting my feet wet in the meta and messing around in the teambuilder. My team is: Torkoal, Oranguru, Lilligant, A-Marowak, Tapu Lele, Metagross. Is this any good? What would you change?

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>>31097143
looks like killer queen.

>>31097143
>>31130150
What's worse, Jojo's fanbase or Persian-A?

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if i know how to IV / EV / nature where do i go to learn how to do pokemon like the pros.

Going to VGC tomorrow, the schedule says: 9:15 am - VG players check in / VG player team list collection, what time should I show up?

>>31132169
9 am.

>>31130069
torkoal/oranguru/lilligant is on its way out. most good teams will carry rain, wide guard, taunt, etc. it can work but you're better off using something else.

>>31132265
Alright, do I need anything else prepared aside from my 3DS, Cart, and team?

>>31132296
Keep us updated of your run.

>>31132296
a pen and something to take notes on can be helpful

>>31122305
Thanks!

>The surname Glick is a Yiddish or Ashkenazic variation of the German word Glück. The name is also commonly found among Swiss and Palatine Anabaptist immigrants to the United States.

https://twitter.com/WolfeyGlick/status/814834681283743744

oy vey

>>31132296
Oh, and it's a good thing I checked over, I forgot my item for Magnezone.
What works best on TR aside from specs, since I'm running protect?
Shuca, Balloon, Life Orb, Assvest, Magnet, and Sash are all high on usage, as well as Electric/Steel Z Stones

modest or timid for tapu lele?

>>31133242
Yeah, both this year's world finalists (Wolfe Glick and Jonathan Evans) are Jewish.
That's no secret, /vgcg/ already pointed that out at the time.

>>31134358
Modest if you want Dazzling Gleam to hit hard enough to matter

>>31133428
I don't mean to be a sperg about this but I've got five hours now and I'd really like an answer of some sort

>>31134719
What's your full set?
If it's bulky consider leftovers/sitrus

>>31134762
252 Health, 252+ Sp. Atk, TBolt, Protect, Flash Cannon, HP Ground
I'm using leftovers on Celesteela, so Sitrus on Zone? Or Leftovers on Zone, Sitrus on Celesteela? Celesteela is Rock Slide/Heavy Slam/Subseed

>>31134670
thanks anon.

>>31134799
Leftovers on Celesteela, Sitrus on Zone.

>>31132893
I'm not allowed to bring notes, right?
Like, I can't write down speed tiers to have with me for TR purposes?

>>31135069
You need to start on a clean page each round.

>>31135069
>>31135110
You can keep notes between matches in each set though, right?

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>>31135299
If you mean "can I keep the same set of notes from game one of a Best of 3 round through to game 3" then yes.
For reference, a game is a single fight in the game (from team preview through to one player losing)
A match is either one game (in Best of 1) or the set of 2-3 games (in Best of 3)

You obviously can't look at notes you made in your last round's match though, and if you play against the same person once in swiss and once in top cut, you can look at your previous notes up until you get to the table, but once you sit down you've got to use a blank sheet.

>>31132296
You need a Play! Pokemon ID.

Alright so with a few hours left I figured I'd post my team and get some last minute advice before I go to Regionals

Tapu Lele @ Life Orb
EVs: 6 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Ability: Psychic Surge
Modest Nature
- Moonblast
- Psychic
- Dazzling Gleam
- Protect

Celesteela @ Leftovers
EVs: 244 HP / 68 Atk / 92 Def / 92 SpD / 14 Spe
Ability: Beast Boost
Adamant Nature
- Rock Slide
- Leech Seed
- Heavy Slam
- Substitute

Marowak @ Thick Club
IVs: 0 Spe
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Atk / 8 Def / 68 SpD
Ability: Lightning Rod
Brave Nature
- Protect
- Bonemerang
- Shadow Bone
- Flare Blitz

Porygon2 @ Eviolite
IVs: 0 Spe
EVs: 244 HP / 180 Def / 10 SpA / 76 SpD
Ability: Download
Relaxed Nature
- Trick Room
- Recover
- Tri Attack
- Shadow Ball

Gyarados @ Waterium Z
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Ability: Intimidate
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Protect
- Ice Fang

Magnezone @ Sitrus Berry
IVs: 30 SpA / 30 SpD / 1 Spe
EVs: 252 HP / 6 Def / 252 SpA
Ability: Magnet Pull
Quiet Nature
- Protect
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Cannon
- Hidden Power [Ground]

>>31135703
why rock slide celesteela? why not protect?

>>31135727
I figured that under Trick Room, Celesteela would need another move to be effective offensively, I have a general lack of spread, and I wanted something to be able to somewhat threaten fire types who would be trying to counter Celesteela. Is Heavy Slam and Seed enough damage for a wincon if I have to rely on it?

>>31135785
If you want to subseed your opponents to death you will definitely need protect. I don't think cele should be trying to do much to fire types and a non-stab rock slide isn't going to do much damage to them anyway, and cele isn't fast enough to fish for flinches. Go with protect over rock slide.

Alternatively you can give it flamethrower over substitute if you're worried about kartana. Even a 0- flamethrower will ohko it.

>>31135798
Should I be worried about Kartana?

how many hours until stream starts?

>>31136357
Not that guy, your team isn't particularly weak to Kartana, so it shouldn't be a problem as long as you don't end up with it against Tapu Lele or Porygon2 without support from Gyarados or Marowak.
Fire attacking is generally quite nice to have though, and Rock doesn't hit particularly well. The only common things weak to it laugh at Celesteela (Gyarados, Arcanine, Marowak) so you'd really just be fishing for Trick Room flinches. It's boring, but Protect and Wide Guard are good options there too. There are far too few situations you would want to use any attacking move other than Heavy Slam with Celesteela.

>>31136706
this

>>31136918
Alright

Thanks for all the help you've been this morning, guys! I'll be sure to lose horribly and leave in shame win a few for you guys!
I sure hope they have places to plug in to charge outside of each round

when does stream start?

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>tfw having to spend new years eve AND new year with my familiy
>tfw hours of awkwardness, only speaking to answer questions about my NEET life
>tfw I'm gonna miss the stream for all this shit

>>31135703
everything looks standard to me

now its all up to how well u play and start according to the opponents teams

you'll prob have a bad time facing garchomp

bump for stream

>>31102069
2015 was pretty fun. 2014 sucked ass and anyone who disagrees forgets that it was mandatory to carry at least 2 hard mega mom counters on every team. i've been enjoying 2017 a lot so far and it might end up as my favorite.

>>31104971
>tapus
>worse than genies

are you autistic? i'll take terrain wars over paraflinch: the experience any day of the week.

GOD TIER
2015
2011
2010

TOP TIER
2012
2013

MID TIER
2008
2009
2014
2017

SHIT TIER
2016

Fuck man, when does the stream start?

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OP HERE. For everyone asking about the weekend streams:

>pokemonuniversity is streaming the Indianapolis Midseason Showdown on Twitch RIGHT NOW.

>pokemon_vgc_center is streaming the Dallas Regionals on Twitch SOON.

(reminder that you can actually see both streams at once using multitwitch.tv)

why isnt it just on the /pokemonvgc twitch?

>>31139084
they only cover "big events"

>>31139084
is dallas a small event compared to san jose? theyre both regionals

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>>31139111
Got a friend actually at the event and he posted this to facebook. I didn't go because there's always a shit ton of construction where its being held and don't want to deal with that AND people leaving/coming home from the holidays.

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happening right now
choice specs?

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>>31139283
going full meme

Stream link where

>>31139532
>>31139069

>>31139342
What did the Masquerain do?

>>31139595
had a flyinium z or whatever it is called

also, intimidate

>>31139342
I thought World Championship rules hid nicknames, even in local games? Are they just playing with flat rules?

>>31139685
local vgc events are just double battles, not WCS

I think

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>>31139685
>>31139729
They're meant to use the downloaded rules, but as long as the judges know what's banned (mega stones, Greninja etc.) the only difference is that FEAR doesn't work in World Championship rules due to autolevelling, so I imagine a lot of organisers would just let people use flat rules.

>>31138695
>2011
>good
amoonguss go home

>>31140038
I think we can all agree that gen 5 brought the most amount of cancer to the competitive scene. Even including Smogon's tiers (I'm looking at you, MLP reject).

http://blog.naver.com/wp2dmldkdlel/220899553824

Sejun posted the team he's been using, but the page won't translate for me

>>31140504
Oh wait the movesets are in english at least

>>31140504
>>31140524
Pretty offensive team.

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Reminder that there's 2 streams happening right now

dude on the Dallas stream literally using a team of 6 UBs

>6 ub's

what do you all think about that?

>>31140853
>>31140861

some mono-water teams have made it into the world top cut, look: >>31102069

there's some lucky autists out there, you'll never know

>>31140934
>2008
>2009
You said it like in those years there was a real meta and people knew what they were doing.

And even a damn monowater has more synergy than all the UBs have together.

>>31140965
>You said it like...
That's just your impression, m8.

>a damn monowater has more synergy than all the UBs have together.
I didn't say the opposite, but anyways he actually won.

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>Swaping Braviary for Marowak
>When Nihilego is on the field

>>31141042
Does Braviary even do well against any of the UBs?

>>31141090
There was no reason to switch out as he could've gone for Sky drop instead. It doesn't really matter in the long run, though.

>>31137756
Well, there I go... Keep this threads alive, anons

>>31141315
Get a job and prove them wrong you faggot.

Go get a trade, they literally pay you to learn it.

You have LITERALLY no excuse to be a NEET piece of shit.

this dallas stream is horrible

>>31142012
Wait, its not just my computer then? Thank god. I was worried.

>>31142089
yeah i thought it was because i was chromecasting to my tv but it wasnt.

its okay now though

>>31142012
at least it's something. these commentators are doingitforfree, flying all over the country to commentate these games and spending their own money to set up streams. it's not easy. I mean, yeah it's not an amazing stream but it's pretty damn good. Arizona was phenomenal for a three person operation. Florida was fantastic, pretty much professional. It's just this one is a little dodgy

really looking into vikavolt now, i came up with

Vikavolt @ Buginium Z
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 236 HP / 252 SpA / 20 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Bug Buzz
- Zap Cannon
- Discharge
- Hidden Power [Ground]

i use a heavy trick room team with specs magnezone and this guy kind of gives me the specs zone feel.

what do you all think?

>>31140504
I'm translating Sejun's notes if anyone's curious.

Tapu Fini
>Good offensive/defensive typing and bulk with 252 HP
>Misty Terrain is mainly there to erase Psychic Terrain and Electric Terrain due to its slow speed, but also helps other mons tank Z-Draco Meteor. Protection against status conditions is a plus. (gives peace of mind against Discharge paralysis/Blizzard freezes)
>Muddy Water can OHKO 252 HP A-Marowak, hits both mons so Gastrodon isn't as effective.
>Mainly there to hit both mons hard with Choice Specs Muddy Water/Dazzling Gleam; Scald and Moonblast for Wide Guard shenanigans

Porygon-Z
>People expect Z-Conversion and attack instead of using Protect, so this set catches them off guard.
>Adaptability Tri Attack has 37.5% chance of OHKOing 4 HP Tapu Koko; Ice Beam is for Garchomp.
>Hyper Beam is for when he really needs the firepower. Dark Pulse is there to be able to hit A-Marowak with Arcanine/Kartana as partners.

May have inaccuracies, but I'm pretty confident I translated things correctly.
More to come.

>>31142927
>Zap Cannon
Enjoy losing

>>31142927
>Shiny: Yes

>>31142927
Why use Zap Cannon? If you need more power you could run Thunderbolt or even Thunder and have less risk of missing.

Also if you're not planning to run protect, I would consider using an Assault Vest.

>>31142927
>Zap Cannon
Being heavy trick room, there's no benefit on paralyzing the opponent, and the accuracy is terrible, might as well use thunderbolt for consistent damage, or thunder if you really want a strong attack, but wouldn't recommend to rely on it outside of rain.

>>31142927
Speaking of Vikavolt, I keep seeing him with Garchomp lately in a DisQuake core. A bit bothersome.

>>31143075
>>31143018
zap cannon for fairy coverage, or should i just run thunderbolt protect?

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>>31143129
>zap cannon for fairy coverage
Uh, anon...

>>31143047
well if i go AV, what should i replace for zap cannon?

>>31143129
>zap cannon for fairy coverage
what are you on, man

>>31139147
Is that the center next to the stadium and rangers field?

>>31143146
fuck, this whole time i was thinking flash cannon. my bad

>>31143171
that makes sense. I still prefer protect, since it probably won't get the OHKO on any tapu, and your STAB moves are probably a 2hko on all of them except Koko, which won't do too much to you anyway, but if it works for you then it's a decent choice.
Maybe HP Ice or Energy Ball would be more valuable if you want to hit dragons or Gastrodon, if they give you any trouble, really depends on the rest of your team though

>>31142957
Arcanine
>Intimidate support + Fire type attacker partners well with Fini.
>Z-Flare Blitz doesn't give recoil, and is pretty safe to click. Great against P2 and A-Muk.
>Wild Charge is nice against Gyarados, Pelipper and Politoed with Gastrodon as a partner.
>76 HP for Hail/Sandstorm, Speed investment is for +1 Xurkitree, Sp Def is for Download shenanigans.
>Lead if Celesteela is on opposing team. Rest of the mons don't really care about Celesteela, so he can safely target down the other mons and set up a win condition with Celesteela vs. Arcanine.
(Having trouble translating his notes on Extremespeed other than "priority move with good power")

Kartana
>Also has good synergy with Fini, good against Water types and Tapus excluding Tapu Koko, and puts great offensive pressure when paired with P-Z.
>Celesteela with Heavy Slam as its only attacking move can't do shit to it, which allows it to target down other mons.

>>31143336
A-Muk
>Great survivability with Figy Berry, strong against A-Marowak and Tapus.
>Also good against Trick Room setters, and has a nice priority move in Shadow Sneak
>No notes on EVs other than that its almost the same as the original team's EVs, and that he's thinking about changing Speed investment to counter other Marowaks investing in speed.
(This team is based on a team a friend of his found on Google after school finals)

Gastrodon
>Good synergy with Arcanine against rain teams.
>Also used against Tapu Koko and Garchomp (unless Groundium Z), who quickly become annoying if left alive.
>No special notes on EVs, isn't really used unless opponent has Trick Room or has problems against Gastrodon. Can influence the opponent's choice of mons even when it isn't being used.

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http://pastebin.com/vytjnJHs

Rate me lads

i want koko and bulu to play rough on me

>>31100124
Garchomp @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sand Veil
Level: 50
EVs: 20 HP / 236 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang
- Rock Slide
- Poison Jab

>>31143700
>No doragon kurou
What went wrong?

Nice use of Mismagius, threatening to burn practically everything other than max speed Kartana, physical Arcanine (lol) and Wak really makes non-Fini teams much easier to predict.

Also, next match in >8 minutes

>>31143712
Too many fairies (aka Tapu clusterfuck), poison jab/rock slide is too good to give up, fire fang fucks up scizor/steela

>>31143787
what other moves did the mismagius have? i totally blanked

>>31144001
I think it ran Protect, and it used Never-Ending Nightmare, so either Shadow Ball or Hex (probably the former). Maybe also Destiny Bond since it's already carrying Ghostium Z.

WHY THE FUCK DID THEY REMOVE LEVITATE FROM GENGAR

>>31144089
Had taunt as well

>>31144309
So that Gengar can be affected by Terrains. It's a buff anon. Aren't you glad Gengar can be healed by Grassy Terrain or throw harder-hitting Thunderbolts now?

>>31144364
It's frail as shit, so it doesn't benefit from that miniscule recovery at all, and scarfgars run icy wind/trick over thunderbolt anyway. It got nerfed.

who /braviary/ here?

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>>31144592
I was being sarcastic anon.

>>31144738
You'd be amazed how many people use that as an actual argument

>Trevenant and Smeargle

Really makes you think

>>31146607
>>31146607
>>31146607

Migrate, we're nearly at bump limit and matches are on