Competitive Thread

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>>30760338
>i got a modest Nihilego

>>30760338
Just found out Dark types don't give a shit about Prankster anymore, my bro Whimsicott is ruined. Who do I replace him with?

I need an annoyer or a special attacker. Preferably Grass or Fairy type.

>>30761217
What format?
It's still good in VGC since dark types wont stop you from setting tailwind.

>>30760425

Syncronize works on UB if you didn't know.

Can someone RMT and give some advice?

http://pastebin.com/YMwGGH5v

>>30761360
Really solid. Maybe add a rock setter though.

>>30761217
Just give it Moonblast

>>30761268
>>30762209
Oh. No shit. Thanks.

Does anyone uses Lele and xurtreee and minor on the same team? How did it went?

Any suggestions for a way to deal with trick room for my vgc rain team? I'm new to vgc.

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>>30760338
post the best one first

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Iku Z (Greninja-Ash) @ Life Orb
Ability: Battle Bond
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Extrasensory
- Water Shuriken
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam

Top EQ (Tapu Bulu) @ Leftovers
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 112 HP / 252 Atk / 144 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Horn Leech
- Leech Seed
- Stone Edge
- Substitute

mom pls (Marowak-Alola) @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 248 HP / 128 Atk / 132 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Shadow Bone
- Bonemerang
- Will-O-Wisp

Top Fini (Tapu Fini) @ Leftovers
Ability: Misty Surge
EVs: 248 HP / 240 Def / 20 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Defog
- Moonblast
- Nature's Madness
- Hydro Pump

IKU-Zydoge (Zygarde-10%) @ Choice Band
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Thousand Arrows
- Outrage
- Extreme Speed
- Stone Edge

Gross Meta (Metagross) @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Bullet Punch
- Zen Headbutt
- Earthquake
Pre-Bank team. any tips to make it better? rocks could help me but i don't know what to change.

>inb4 switch Ash-Greninja
no

>>30763967
yo post more of these if y'all got em, shit's funny

>non-mega Scizor is no longer OU
What the fuck happened?

>>30764569
New toys being used for the first month.

Why Mantine is OU?

>>30764569
Less competition over mega slot means mega scizor generally just gets it, meaning all scizors are mega.

Why is Talonflame dead?
I missed the memo

>>30764647
+20 HP and roost.

>>30764663
>Gale Wings only works with full HP
Bravest Bird is kill

Maybe this is a good place to ask this. It's more a question for my use outside of pvp, but still. If I run acrobatics on an itemless scizor or scyther, does it get boosted by technician first or does the itemless boost come in first thereby nullifying technician?

Is tanky impish M Scizor the way to go or can I still run Physical Sweeper adamant M Scizor?

>>30760425
That's its second best nature and it's not that terrible. If you put a Scarf or Specs on it, you hit extra hard but miss barely on base 100s like Mega Charizard.

>>30764134
Ash-Ninja is great but you might as well run Protean Ninja if you're just running a Life Orb on it.

>>30765092
You can run both while still running significant SpD investment to take on special attackers

Impish is only listed on the analysis since if avoids a 2HKO from max Atk Landorus-T with just 16 Def.

>>30764569
Scizor isn't really making it with just 70/100/80 defenses while Mega Scizor tanks shit like nothing.

Teams that scizor typically don't use other Megas on their team, so why the hell not?

is there any way to see my ladder rank on showdown without going into a battle?

>>30765231
Search for your name here
http://pokemonshowdown.com/ladder/

>>30765231
In any chatroom or battle, type: /rank [insert name here]

>>30765257
>>30765290
thx

>>30765231
Use the command /rank in the chat

How the fuck did Genesect appear here?
I thought he was Pokebank only.

>>30764758
Technician won't apply if you have no item.

>>30765231
Literally type "/ladder" anywhere

>>30764134

Showdown allows 0 atk I.V's on Greninja when the Ash-Grenina's I.V's are fixed?

>>30765443
yeah it's stupid

Good partners for Golisopod? I want to make the big cowardly fuck actually good.

I've been considering Using Battle Bond Greninja on my team.
My team is:
>Mimikyu
>Kommo-o
>Decidueye
>Toxapex
>Araquanid
>Tapu Bulu
Should I replace one of them for Greninja? or is my current team good.

>>30765585
For one, defog or rapid spin users since he's taking 50%+ TOTAL from switch into rocks and possible spikes, activating his ability, then switching in again.

dhelmise has been putting in work for me god damn my new favorite spinner

>>30765804
Depends, but Araquanid is most likely since it's not exactly delivering results in Pokebank and you are in need of a fastmon that snipes shit. Depending on how offensive your team is, maybe replace Toxapex as it's pretty passive.

Anyone wanna RMT (Pokebank OU)?
Love how my bro Porygon Z got a buff this gen, but it's so weird to build around type-wise.

http://pastebin.com/dKAGGVJH

>>30766171
Thanks a ton.

>>30763646
Taunt (can be unreliable if their setter has mental herb)
Your own slow Pokemon to abuse their trick room
Roar/Whirlwind
General prediction - protect/switch stalling until TR expires

>>30766236
After you get rid of Scarf Garchomp and Scarf Lando-T, use a Pokemon that usually gets trapped by Magnezone since Electric Porygon-Z sets up all over Magnezone's face like booty. Any other slower or weak attacker is fair game as long as you're not stupid and switch Pory-Z directly into attacks.

Also, Shadow Ball is a terrible option on Electric-Z, consider using Hidden Power Fighting (for Ferrothorn and tyranitar), Hidden Power Ground (for Marowak and a guarunteed KO on Heatran), or Recover (so you can quickly recover from weak hits while maintaining good coverage).

RMT: Monorock
Lycanroc@Choice Band
Sand rush
252ATK+SPE
Accelerock
Stone Edge
Fire Fang
Crunch
>tfw no EQ

Gigalith@Assault vest
Sand stream
252HP+ATK
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Iron Head
Super power

Aerodactyl@Choice Scarf
Pressure
252ATK+SPE
Stone Edge
Aqua Tail
Dragon Claw
Earthquake

Omastar@White Herb
Weak armor
252SPA+SPE
Shell Smash
Ice beam
Scald
Earth Power

Bastiodon@Leftovers
Soundproof
252HP+DEF
Toxic
Substitute
Magic coat
Stealth Rock

Cradily@ Big root
Storm Drain
252HP+SPD
Toxic
Substitute
Giga Drain
Recover

>>30766069
Well, yeah. I was thinking Crobat because it's a good taunter and defogger, or maybe Dhelmise for the ghost typing.
Anything else that benefits from Goli's revenge killing while helping it out?

>>30765585
ferrothorn

>>30764449
There's five or so around, but I don't have them saved. Neither of the ones posted were the one I really liked though so I hope somebody around has been collecting them

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>>30764449

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I don't know what i'm doing

Wanted to build around Kyu-B because it's cool as fuck, added Magnezone to help fuck scizor / steels, tapu to defog, garchomp to late-game clean. Not sure what else to add.

>>30768605
Meant to have scarf on magnezone, whoops

>>30768605
>freeze shock
i found ur problem

aside from that kyu-b is far better off going mixed or bulky offense

>>30768808
I had mixed at first but heard Z-icium freeze shock was the hot new meme and wanted to try it out.

>>30769036
Not worth it. Offensive Z-moves should only be used as lures to KO or heavily damage a counter (Z-solar beam Heatran is the most common one afaik). Sure, you get to deal a fuck ton of damage one time, but then you're essentially left with no ice moves, and it doesn't help you beat anything you couldn't beat before.

Celesteela @ Leftovers
Sassy (+SpD, -Spe)
252 HP/ 172 Def/ 84 SpD/ 4 Atk
Beast Boost

Heavy Slam
Earthquake
Flamethrower
Leech Seed

Tapu Lele @ Choice Scarf
Modest (+SpA, -Atk)
252 SpA/ 252 Spe/ 4 Def
Psychic Surge

Psychic
Moonblast
Hidden Power Fire
Shadow Ball/Focus Blast

Marowak-Alolan @ Thick Club
Jolly (+Spe, -SpA)
252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 4 SpD
Lightningrod

Flare Blitz
Shadow Bone
Earthquake
Flame Charge

Xurkitree @ Choice Specs
Timid (+Spe, -Atk)
252 SpA/ 252 Spe/ 4 HP
Beast Boost

Thunderbolt
Volt Switch
Energy Ball
HP Ground

Dragonite @ Lum Berry
Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 4 SpD
Multiscale

Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Fire Punch
Dragon Dance

Ash-Greninja @ Life Orb
Timid (+SpA, -Atk)
252 SpA/ 252 Spe/ 4 HP
Battle Bond

Scald/Hydro Pump
Dark Pulse
Ice Beam
Estrasensory

>>30768605
Your team gets completely fugged by pheromosa currently, so I'd recommend a pokemon to deal with her like alolawak or toxapex.

I'm planning Thunder, Hurricane, Ice Beam, Hyper Voice on Drampa.
Should I drop something for Roost, or is trying for multiple Berserk procs too greedy?

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>>30760338
Still trying to figure out a good Tapu Fini set.

Almost all the sets I've messed around with are good, but not "great."

Currently running:
Tapu Fini - Leftovers
Timid 252 HP 252 Spd 4SpA
Moonblast
Surf
Nature's madness
Taunt.

1) Still not sure if I should switch over to Modest 252 HP 252 SpA

2) Not sure if I should drop surf for scald given fairy terrain

3) Not sure if I should drop Nature Madness for something else.

I'm new to competitive so bear with me. I'm considering running minimize on A-Muk, but I'm unsure about what set to run on it.

Muk-Alola @ Black Sludge
Ability: Poison Touch
EVs: 248 HP / 100 Atk / 96 Def / 64 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Shadow Sneak
- Gunk Shot
- Minimize

Went adamant for extra damage on attacks. Any suggestions welcome.

>>30769319
surf is better on fini
she also gets defog

>>30769319
Definitely switch surf for scald. I've seen a lot of Tapu Fini's with Haze which you can consider swapping out for Nature's madness.

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The Pelipper buff got me all excited to try out a rain team, so RMT
http://pastebin.com/s4GGGK3F

I think it's pretty good, if a bit cookie cutter, but I feel like I'd be fucked by Ferrothorn and Rotom-W so tips for that would be appreciated.

>>30769336
Evasion is banned on showdown if that's what you mean for competitive.

>>30769424
Nah, I plan on using it in-game.

>>30769336
I'd personally use poison jab for reliability/50% poison chance, but gunk shot is totally fine too if you want those big hits.
Also, if this is for showdown your gonna have to take off minimize unfortunately, evasion boosts are banned.

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I have close combat, quick attack, and return on this guy and not sure what the fourth slot should be. Smogon says swords dance but it seems pointless to set up with this guy.

>>30769457
earthquake or swords dance

>>30769443
Thanks for the suggestion, and I do plan on using it in-game rather than on showdown.

how does competitive battleing work?
i think i have a small understanding to it.
1. choose Ur Pokemon
2.has a good nature
3.also good ability
4. good moves
5.mass genocide certain Pokemon for invisible points

>>30769457
+2 attack is rarely ever pointless and M-pinsir definitely has the bulk to set it up, so I'd go for it. Otherwise, Earthquake/Stone Edge are good coverage options

>>30769398
I'll be honest with you here as well as anyone else that uses Pelipper with drizzle but my Azumarill fucks shit up so bad with belly drum + aqua jet + drizzle. I can also see how a weakness policy + water compaction Palossand can take advantage of you using water type moves in that situation.

>>30769513
6. have fun battling

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>>30763967
>tfw too intelligent for my own type
>yea right here Excadrill

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I love sableye and want to karenfag and also skipped out on ORAS so I never really tested the megas but the mega is just too cancerous. Is there a stall friendly but not ridiculous set for it? The current smogon set gives it fucking WoW as it's main offensive move. I'm fine with stall but this is ridiculous.

>>30769385
>fini
>scald

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>>30764449
Here's one I saved

>>30769513
5.1 Use Vitamins to lessen the burden

>>30760338
>>30763967
>>30767992
>>30769593
>toxapex
>not "Smogon OU meeting room"

>>30763646
If it's a porygon, double target it, especially if you led with a z move. If it's torkoal/harambe, double target to torkoal, unless you can heavy resist,or predict a protect. DESU it depends on your leads.

Would M-Lop still work in postbank? Showdown's not letting my team in the postbank server right now but I'm running Celesteela, Tapu Fini, & Lele, A-Marowak, M-Lopunny. I'd think Mega Lopunny's role is pretty much unchanged.

I wondering who my 6th member should be. A-muk would be cool to just knock off anything that moves and potentially poison it. Also thinking about Pyukumuku

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>>30769548
cant tell if sarcasm or agreeing
>>30769602
oh yea drugs is a thing too

is there anything missing?
7.battle items

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>>30764449
I think this is the only one that hasn't been posted yet

Is this thread only for simulator play or should I fuck off to wi-fi general even if all I'm looking for is team building tips? I'll probably play on showdown soon enough anyway.

>Matine gets roost
>Regis don't get recovery

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>30769692
>OU, battlespot, VGC, whatever, all formats welcome
It's right in the OP. All formats welcome.

>>30769692
This is for team building.

Despite always advertising it in the OP /wfg/ never actually battles. Any time I ask for a battle I get no replies. Maybe try the mono type thread, it's more sillier stuff but I'm sure you could get a serious match if you want.

>>30760338
So I assume Fini is mostly that highly due to waifufags using it a lot? It seems so mediocre compared to the other Tapus and I've never run across one on Showdown or Battle Spot

>>30769716
Alright cool, that was just to make sure. But yeah, tips on general building? I've been out of the loop since gen 4 ended.

>>30769584
>Karenfagging with the best Dark type in the tier bar fucking Hoopa.

Not exactly how it works. You can always go for Offensive Calm Mind if you want to use him as a wincon.

>>30764134
How do you properly Gen an Ash Greninja? Couldn't figure it out in PkHex

where's a pic of the top 8 teams from the london VGC tourney

>>30769680
>see you in UU
yeah haha i don't know what bl is either lol

>>30769680
>[ [ V O L T T U R N I N T E N S I F I E S ] ]
>UU prospects list
This one is the best.

>>30769697
theyd still be poop
they and the birds all need new abilities, theyre not good enough to justify giving them shitmon abilities and basically never have been

Hey guys, pretty new to the whole team building thing. Is this one decent? I like the idea of toxipex but I kinda feel weak not having a pokemon that can do reliable water damage.

Toxapex (F) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Baneful Bunker
- Haze
- Recover
- Scald

Marowak-Alola (F) @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Flare Blitz
- Shadow Bone
- Stone Edge

Anastasia (Tsareena) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Queenly Majesty
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Rapid Spin
- Trop Kick
- U-turn

Mimikyu (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Disguise
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Play Rough
- Shadow Sneak
- Shadow Claw

Tapu Lele @ Choice Specs
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball

Pheromosa @ Choice Band
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- U-turn
- High Jump Kick
- Lunge
- Brick Break

>>30769866
Zard Y didn't even touch UU because of their Drought ban.

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So how does Mega Lopunny fair post-bank? Is it just lowly picked because there's a whole bunch of other things to choose from atm?

>>30769883
Drought is not banned this gen (yet, I sure hope they don't ban em all again) and Y-zard is super OP in alpha UU.

>>30769899
It's not released.

>>30769899
it doesnt

>>30769899
The Tapus and a lot of the UBs are a big threat to it. I love Mega Lopunny but I doubt it fairs well right now. Maybe when OU settles a bit.

Or play UU since it's basically last gen's OU

>>30769678
Lopunnite is unreleased unfortunately. It would be really good.

>>30769933
>>30769915
He said postbank, anons.

>>30767221
Why not a Headsmash Choice Scarfed Rampardos for hilarity?

>>30769739
Well, since you've been out of the loop for a long time it would be a good idea to just find out what is considered good and use that for a while. Once you've battled a lot and understand the meta a bit you can get more creative with the team building. Playing on showdown is a good idea because you won't have to breed or SR for pokemon you want to try out.

>>30769948
Unreleased mega stones are still not usable in Post Bank.

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I'd appreciate some help building my team, anons.

Im not sure what to add on next. I was considering adding Latios with Draco/Pshock/Defog, but also thought about dropping Mega Sir for Megagross

>>30769871
Baneful bunker is shit my dude, replace with toxic spikes.

Personally I reccomend bonerang instead of EQ on marowak but up to you.

Tsareenais trash, don't be a waifufag.

Mimikyu looks fine. Everyone uses this set and for good reason.

Lel and cockroach look fine too.

>>30769978
Really? That's kinda dumb, I thought the point of postbank was to see how all the old shit fairs in the new meta

>>30769980
Thanks for the help with toxipex. I use tsareena for a grass type and rapid spin but I suppose I can look for another grass type. Thanks my man, I appreciate your help!

>>30769979
Maybe add a wall, looks relatively hyper offensive. Marowak is also good since it counters so much shit.

God damn it anons, I want to use Arcanine but he just seems outclassed.

I can't find anything reliable to use on it except my current set of Wisp/Morning Sun/Roar/Helping Hand which gets fucked by Taunt and just looks overall stupid. Help me, somehow I've ended up on an attackless set and I can't seem to find anything for it that works better.

>>30769928
retard

>>30769997
Smogon still restrict it to things that are possible within the game though. For some reason only half the mega stones are available to buy, and Bank doesn't (or at least didn't) let you transfer items.

>>30769997
Since you can't transfer items through bank, we still don't know how mega stones will be released post bank, if at all.

>>30769980
Rather, who would you recommend in place of tsareena?

>>30769928
I'm thinking it'll go up when things settle too. Though I'd assume it'd do good bopping stuff with strong fake outs. It's still got perfect STAB coverage over the other currently popular fighting types (Pheramosa and Buzzwole). Hits about as hard as both of them unboosted.

>>30769978
Ah, that's why my team kept getting rejected. I wanted to use >>30769678 as team mates to test it out.

>>30769997
bank doesn't let you transfer items. this is why we don't have gems and some other stuff.

>>30770038
It's especially annoying since the Battle Tree uses mega stones that you can't get in-game.

>>30769998
Tsareena isn't PU but in OU it really is nothing other then a wasted slot. For a spinner try starmie or even dhelmise if you want to be risky. Starmie is justba good pokemon and with sword banned it should be okay. Dhelmise is kinda bulky so unless they set up or have something that counters it hard then you might be able to make it work.

>>30770029
Replace HH with Burn Up for a defensive set, or replace HH and Roar with Flare Blitz and Wild Charge for a more offensive one.

How long until Excadrill drops out of OU?

Help me.
I would say I am competent at competitive battling but I know little to nothing about the current meta.

I want to start the battle tree but don't know what
Team to choose for a singles run.

What Pokémon and what sets should I use?

I know I want to use tapu lele with choice scarf.

>>30770010
What wall do you propose? Do you still recommend adding Defog Latios, along with Alolawak?

I'm trying to figure out VGC 2017 on showdown. How important is Tailwind? I've run into one tailwind team and more Trick Room teams. I prefer Trick Room myself, but I would like to have both options if necessary.

I haven't heard much on it but is burn up seeing any use at all? No type sounds kinda interesting if gimmicky.

>>30770032
What a great argument

>>30760338
HOLY FUCK, there's no way Keldeo should be anywhere near UU

>>30770091
You don't necessarily need to design your team to always be about getting Tailwind or Trick Room up. You should be able to react to the game situation and work out if it's beneficial to you. Certain Pokémon like Oranguru and Pelipper will almost always be running it though.

>>30770079
Not now. It would take multiple Tapus getting banned, making a strong Steel Type less necessary. But when/if that happens, Ttar usage sky-rockets, and Excadrill follows. The meta just isn't built against him at all.

>>30770101
that's because bl exists, dumbass. unless you really thought hawlucha and co. were ou in oras??

>>30770070
Thanks again man, I really appreciate it.

>>30770085
Not sure in latios, never used it really. Mantine is also now a prime defog user and with roost now is quite bulky. Toxapex, ferrothorn, and if your evil mega sableye are the most common walls, look into them I suppose.

>>30770077
Burn Up might fit because I'm lacking special attackers...

Is there anything that comes to mind for a hard-hitting Special based partner for Arcanine that can handle Ground types? How does Tangrowth do in doubles?

>>30770142
>Tangrowth
>Special
Use a Serperior I guess.

>>30770128
Also look into defoggers. Most defoggers are now better then spinners. I've been testing mantine and this guy is pretty insane now.

>>30769998
Another decent option for Tsareena is Choice Scarf. With max Speed EV's and a Jolly nature, you hit 400, letting you outspeed any positive natured base 132, and any neutral natured base 150. What makes this especially good is that Tsareena is immune to priority, so if you want to outspeed her, you need to actually have something faster. Obviously you should change Rapid Spin to Play Rough is you want to try this out.

>>30769871
>Tsareena named Anastasia
Stella Glow?

>>30770174
...t-tangrowth doesn't go special?
it really relies on power whip?

>>30770175
What if I were to put a defog tapu fini in place of Tsareena would that work better?

>>30770182
That sounds like it could definitely be fun to run. Thanks for letting me know anon.

Some dude in Showdown just made me realize that since confusion won't activate in Misty Terrain, Tapu Fini with Swagger can just pass out Swords Dances to teammates. I beat him still but, damn, that's a cool combo.

Any way to REALLY abuse this? I just wanna shit on my friends, who don't know anything and this will DEFINITELY work on.

Rate my prebank ou team?

Tapu Bulu
Adamant cb
Max hp Max attack
Horn leech
Superpower
Wood hammer
Megahorn

Mimikyu
Jolly @ lum berry
Max attack max speed
Sd
Shadow claw
Play rough
Shadow sneak


Chandelure
Timid @ choice scarf
Fire blast
Energy ball
Shadow ball
Memento

Mandibuzz
Impish @ leftovers
248 HP 136 Def 108 SpD 16 Spe
Roost
Defog
Foul Play
Taunt

Porygon2
Calm @ eviolite
Max hp Max special def
Thunderbolt
Ice beam
Recover
Toxic

Ash- Greninja
Timid @ life orb (might switch to waterium z for more open move slots)
Max spec ark max speed
Water shuriken
Hydro pump
Dark pulse
Extrasensory (my team's answer to toxapex)

>>30770210
yes, just finished it before picking up this gen. Don't hate me please

>>30770122
>Excadrill
>A Tapu Counter

Koko is the only Tapu that fears Excadrill
Fini laughs at it
Bulu and Lele can power through it

>>30770235
Probably good. Sorry but I can't say I have experience with fini.
>>30770251
>mimikyu
>lum berry

Actually
>playing pre bank
Literally a month away, pointless.

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>>30770077

>>30763646
Goliscopod?

>>30770214
earthquake knock off power whip

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I don't know what I'm doing with EVs.

>>30770282
Eh I need to get the other Pokemon games, just got a 3ds. What is a better item for mimikyu anyways?

>>30770339
>level 50
what is this for? battle spot?

>>30770383
VGC, sorry

>>30770356
Life orb. You can try focus sash if you want to be risky I suppose but life orb is the main way to go.

>>30770356
>>30770416
Red Card is another good item.

So what's the specially defensive set for Marowak that handles the Tapus and UBs? Mainly just nature and EVs.

>>30770515
Careful with max investment in HP, like 56 in speed and the rest in special defense. Helps take on all those dazzling gleams and flash cannon from kokos and magnezones

>>30770339
>no max speed on nihilego
enjoy getting outsped and dying to garchomp EQ. i see that you have banded weavile but it's coverage isn't all that great, it probably becomes a liability against trick room teams

Rate shit team?

Largely throwing stuff together and see what sticks through trial and error

Gastrodon-East @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Earth Power
- Toxic
- Recover

Tapu Bulu @ Leftovers
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Bulk Up
- Horn Leech
- Brick Break
- Leech Seed

Pyukumuku (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic
- Recover
- Psych Up
- Baton Pass

Tornadus-Therian @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 100 HP / 176 SpA / 232 Spe
Naive Nature
- Air Slash
- Heat Wave
- Knock Off
- U-turn

Skarmory (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Iron Head
- Stealth Rock
- Roost
- Defog

Charizard (M) @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 100 HP / 156 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Roost
- Flare Blitz
- Dragon Claw

Pyukumuku is there because it has gotten hilarious results. Might make a separate team around it

I signed up for a VGC tourney this Saturday just so I can get the tourney pass to skip the queue for the convention and it turns out that it's the biggest VGC tourney in the history of Southeast Asia. I'm a Smogon guy with little to no VGC17 experience, but this has me rather excited.

I have no friends so I thought I'd blog here. But anyway, what are big things to watch out for in VGC17 that aren't in Smogon singles? Off the top of my head, I only know to watch out for Oranguru and Porygon2.

>>30770124
Keldeo is uu right now though my man. Not bl.

>>30770577
Oh, I forgot to put a nature on it. Funny how giving it Timid and max EV/IV in speed puts it 1 over garchomp. What would be better coverage for Weaville or a better pokemon in his slot, I wanted physical damage with high speed

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So, now that Thunder Wave has been nerf-tapped, what's the go-to Clefable set?
Also, is Spotlight broken in Doubles?
I don't see anyone every mention it

>>30770769
Spotlight has crap distribution and it doesn't make pokemon attack their allies, it's just a super situational counter to Follow Me.

>>30770789
Damn, I was just about to finish my Clefairy to try it out
What a shame

>>30770727
>right now
that's because bl doesn't exist right now

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Alright, I want to try a crazy ghostspam team in OU. It's a great offensive type, and as opposed to all previous gens it might actually work because we actually have more than one good offensive ghost finally, and it could even be a little anti-meta because you don't give a shit about a bunch of stuff.

These are the three spookies I'm gonna use:
>AOA Gengar: still best ghost honestly, all out attacker that just weakens stuff
>SD Mimikyu: blanket revenge-killer, setup sweeper
>CM M-Sableye: blanket physical check, stallbreaker, wincon, hazard control

Want suggestions for other three slots. I kind of want an electric+water check (for rain teams and tapu koko,) something for Greninja (both forms) and a ground check. Some sort of grass type would be good for elec+water+ground check but I don't know what, maybe Tangrowth or something. Also, need an obligatory SR user.

I'm switching Toxapex for Celesteela for the battle tree. What set do I run?

>>30770251
Slap a Fairium Z onto Mimikyu

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Any advice gents?

>>30770546
Do you know what the 56 in speed is for?

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>>30763967
>Crashing this Latios. WITH NO SURVIVORS
My sides

>>30765370
This, and Genies

>>30770873
Mega Mence needs a normal type move, either Return or Double Edge. Also replace Rapid Spin with some coverage, there is literally no reason Pheromosa should be your spinner.

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Mega Pinsir is probably my favorite mon, and I want to build a 3DS singles team around him
I'm thinking Excadrill to spin off rocks, and for general Fairy/Rock/Lightning fucking that he might have trouble with, but what do you think my third should be?
I'm not sure if Excadrill warrants opening with a Sandstorm setter, since he takes care of M Pinsir's weaknesses and that Pinsir will clean house Sandstorm up or no

>>30770875
I think that the number is wrong as nothing relevant is outspeed at 140

48 puts you at 136 allowing you to outspeed no speed investment neutral Azumarill, Chansey and Hippowdon/Conkeldurr

If you run speed investment at all it should be 168 with neutral nature in order to outspeed neutral Celesteela and Tyranitar, Clefable, Porygon 2, Scizor, Magearna and Sylveon

However, it reduces the bulk of specially defensive Marowak a lot so I think the speed investment should be reserved for offensive builds

>>30771003
you need something for zapdos, which s the best defogger in OU (don't tell anyone though) and the main obstacle to this thing as it cant be trapped

Should I run a third attacking move on my Porygon-Z or should I go with Recover/Substitute? Right now I'm using Tbolt/Ice Beam/Conversion.

>>30771080
Third attacking move. You want all the coverage you can get.

>>30771043
Alright, I think I'll try opening with Tyranitar
Syncs with sandy fairyfucking mole, kills birbs and is cool in general

>>30771103
Alright, any suggestion then?

>>30771117
Shadowball for Marowak-A

>>30770873
You don't need two of the same move type on pokemon, go for coverage. So for example, I would get rid of icicle crash on weavile and replace it with low kick. This will make it so Tyranitar doesn't fuck you up immediately.

>>30771126
Gotcha. I'll see how it goes, thank you

One of the teams I made for Battle of Alola:

Zygarde
Ability: Power Construct
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Atk / 172 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Extreme Speed
- Thousand Arrows
- Substitute
- Coil

Celesteela
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Def / 172 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Leech Seed
- Flamethrower
- Heavy Slam
- Protect

Pheromosa
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Bug Buzz
- Focus Blast
- Ice Beam
- U-turn

Greninja-Ash
Ability: Battle Bond
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Water Shuriken
- Night Slash
- Acrobatics
- U-turn

Nihilego
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Power Gem
- Sludge Wave
- Dazzling Gleam

Marowak-Alola
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Flare Blitz
- Bonemerang
- Shadow Bone

Got to around 1350 on the SD ladder, took forever to find games after that. Any suggested refinements/replacements? The main weakness I'm finding is to Ninetales and Magearna, but it might have just been my picks in team preview.

>>30765370

Smogon said fuck it and decided they were ignoring the next two months and just balancing their meta around what they assume will be available once bank hits, which in this case is everything - some mega stones.

you guys think mimikyu is gonna stay in ou or is it gonna get knocked down?

>>30771211
it'll see enough usage to stay ou for at least january. After that the hype might die down and it'll fall below 3.4% usage.

>>30771080
what are you missing the jump into that wouldn't be super effectively hit by BoltBeam? The things I see would be Alolan Marowak, Rotom Heat, Rotom Water, Magnezone and everything steel type that isn't weak to Thunderbolt

you could use HP Fire for steel types but then you get walled by Alolan Marowak

Shadow Ball hits Tapu Lele and Marowak but leaves you walled by Magearna, Genesect, Scizor and Magnezone

You also need to remember that you get fucked by Chansey/Blissey so bring support for those

>>30771131
With the two move types I keep ice shard so I will have priority, icicle crash just hits harder. Would you recomend I take off Icium Z maybe?

>>30770974
Take rockslide off for Return or Double edge? I was contemplating putting roost in there but proabably not worth.

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Good partners for Hydreigon?
I know running Dragon/Steel/Fairy is a popular combo in singles

>>30771187
zygarde isn't allowed in the competition

>>30771296
Metagross to deal with fairy and fighting

Tapu Lele is its biggest counter but an excellent companion as it covers the dragon weakness, covers the usage of priority against Hydreigon and can kill the blobs

>>30771353
>covers the usage of priority against Hydreigon
It's not grounded.

>>30771341
yes it is, it takes up the special slot

>>30771374
I forgot that Hydreigon has Levitate and doesn't even get another Hidden Ability

oh well, Tapu Lele is still a good partner to deal with the blobs and opposing Dragons

>>30771278
You can keep the icium and use it for that hard hitting move. If not, go life orb

>>30769491
>>30769434
Not those anons, but just thought you should know that evasion was essentailly nerfed this gen thanks to Z-moves not missing. Still try it out, but something like Curse or Pursuit might be more useful

>>30769866
oh yeah that bl that exists right now awesome i forgot about that thanks

/cpg/ has made a return?

>>30771276
Steel doesn't resist Ghost anymore.
Also, I've heard some people run Psyshock to get past special walls.

>>30764134
You've got one Poke that isn't fucked by Ferrothorn.
Maybe Sub/Coil Zygarde, and/or Taunt on Fini.

>>30770244
That's nothing compared to the Beat up / Justified combo. Max attack for less the 20% hp loss.

I've been trying to abuse Banded Kyu-B like I did all gen 6, but it's not really working unless/until they ban some of these high-speed offensive threats (Phero/Gene) and bring back Mega Diancie bounce support. It is amusing when he works, though, especially on the Marowak switch-ins on Fusion Bolt.
>Muh Lightning Rod!

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rate my SM OU team. I am at 1400 ELO and seem to hover around this point

>>30771929
Steel doesn't resist Ghost but it still doesn't hit those mons hard enough

Psyshock is bad coverage for Porygon and even at +1

+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Porygon-Z Psyshock vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 255-300 (39.7 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

>>30771875
nice try mush

>>30772119
oops, should've taken out the Life Orb
+1 252+ SpA Porygon-Z Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 267-315 (37.3 - 44.1%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

>>30772119
>>30772139
and that's for a Modest build

Current Porygon-Z needs to run Timid

+1 252 SpA Porygon-Z Psyshock vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 178-210 (27.7 - 32.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

so yeah, you need support for the blobs

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>>30760338
Tapu Fini seems to be the best defogger the meta has to offer, or at least for Mega Charizard Y. That said, I am still having trouble deciding whether to go for Bold or Timid nature considering I've yet to catch Tapu Fini but I want to be certain of which nature I go for.

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I'm currently running Gyarados, Alolawak and M Pinsir and want a fourth to expand it for my doubles set
If you've noticed that they're all Genwun, then you're right:
I'm not a genwunner, but I do need a theme when I make teams

I'd use Dugtrio in a heartbeat, but Arena Trap is locked until bank
Is A Dugtrio serviceable anyways, given my weakness to rocks? Or would a Rapid Spin/Defogger be better?

tl;dr: Help me pick a fourth from the pool of gen 1 mons

Anyone have suggestions on building a rain team?
I don't know shit about weather teams.

God damn it, Incineroar movepool is fucking cancer.

There's no Physical Fire move which isn't either shitty or with recoil...

What the fuck?

>>30772749
slap fairytales on that for aurora veil bullshit

I'm so fucking sick of teams with a tapu, three UBs a mega and toxapex

fuck this game

>>30773374
Run an anti-meta team then. Every Pokemon metagame was shit with the exception of DP and in my opinion BW because it was funny with all of the chaos. Get used to the cancer pal.

Tapu Lele @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball

Kartana @ Focus Sash
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Sacred Sword
- Smart Strike
- Defog

Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Flare Blitz
- Bonemerang
- Stone Edge

Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Crunch
- Waterfall
- Ice Fang

Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 240 HP / 176 Def / 92 Spe
Impish Nature
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang
- Dragon Tail

Klefki @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunder Wave
- Foul Play
- Toxic
- Spikes


How do I not get fucked by Celesteela and Roach of healthy eating habits? I'm doing well against mostly everything (pre-bank OU), but these two together royally fuck me.

>>30773443
You have Marowak
At least Celesteela shouldn't be a problem if you play your cards right, Marowak oneshots that thing

>>30773533
The problem is that Marowak has two deal with so many threats right now. Switch in on the electric types, switch in on fairy types AND kill Celesteela? I need two of them in my team. That would fix everything.

>>30773545
You have your Chomp for electric types though.
You should replace your Klefki since your lele and basically lele everywhere fucks over prankster.
Maybe another steel type to keep fairies in check?
If you wanna stay prebank you could try Magearna.

Since you don't have a z stone anyway, try this

Magearna @ Fairium-Z
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Fleur Cannon
- Aura Sphere
- Explosion
- Shift Gear

you could run -attack if you want coverage instead of explosion.
with one shift gear you outspeed roach.

>>30773545
>switch in on fairy types
Why? they are weak to poison and steel.

>half of it is unbreedable shit

This is why people cheat competitive mons in this game.

>>30773672
because fire resists fairy
>>30773664
Yeah, I know that Lele fucks up Prankster, but I usually start wit Klefki so it hasn't been a problem so far. But I feel like I need someone who can deal with hazards or set hazards itself. Defog on Kartana works well sometimes, but it gets fucked by Hazards, because the Sash doesn't work anymore.

I feel like, Kartana might work better with Bulu than with Lele or I need someone to get the hazards out of the way. I'm not to this, so I guess I still have work to do.

What are all these jokes about Sableye's short Uber stay based on? Did they ban it at the literal ass end of ORAS OU before Gen 7 became the main?

>>30773004
pls help

>>30773708
so does kartana, although it's SpD sucks..

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>Cosmic team;
(Minior) @ White Herb
Ability: Shields Down
EVs: 76 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def / 4 SpD / 168 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- Acrobatics
- Earthquake
- Explosion

(Solrock) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Will-O-Wisp
- Stone Edge
- Flare Blitz

(Lunatone) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Rock Polish
- Psychic
- Power Gem
- Moonblast

(Beheeyem) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Analytic
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 1 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 SpD
- Psyshock
- Signal Beam
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Trick

(Clefable) @ Kee Berry
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Thunder Wave
- Moonlight

Starmie @ Life Orb
Ability: Analytic
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Rapid Spin
- Hydro Pump
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam

Thoughts?

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Any help with my UU team?

http://pastebin.com/BNrawVFd

I need some help with my team
I'm currently running a team of Pelipper, Greninja-Battle Bond, Celesteela, Electivire, Magearna and Pheromosa, but the team is way too fragile.

I need a bulky as shit physical attacker, maybe a mega (But desu I don't like the current megas)
Any thoughts?

>>30772196
+1 252 SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Psyshock vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 356-420 (55.4 - 65.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
A very niche choice, but if you choose to have Psychic-type Porygon-Z then it can 2HKO Chansey. Might as well go with something else to kill it though since Psychic Porygon-Z isn't the best.

Don't talk shit about my bro Zapdos

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Great VGC meta gu- wait

post more charts

>>30773867
although if you have psychic field, damage is increased by 1,5 so you can use it even without converting to psychic type.

>>30774401
those look pretty fun teams.

>>30774401
This looks very okay to me. This isn't close to Heatgaskanmencmoongderous-T in any universe, faggot. The #2 finisher had a fucking Nihilego lol

>>30773837
Megamence is pretty good bro.

>>30774401
>team number 2 and 5
MADMEN

>>30774713
Even the winner had a pretty out there team. No U-B's

>>30774784
Nah, the winners team very much a meta team and not a single mon on his team is a surprise if you have seen recent tourneys.

>>30773343
Could be gud
Obviously no one but her is immune to hail damage, but on the other hand it lets me kill pop Focus Sash users that switch in, or revenge kill them should they kill me after my one hit
Plus I was wonder traded an autistically bred one with Moonblast and Freeze Dry

I'll call it fate

>>30774821
Well hail is still shit so it's normal to have the rest of your mons take hail damage. Veil is really fucking powerful though. So powerful it makes hyper offence legit.

>>30774844
Solid
Also, I'm literally running 4 mons weak to sneaky pebbles, but it is doubles so hopefully I won't see much of it

I'm thinking of getting an Arcanine for VGC doubles.

Can someone give me a run down on build/EV spread?

Also, what kind of team does Arcanine go well on?

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>>30774896
got you senpai
Hopefully I didn't save the wrong size

>>30770873
SubBelch Salazzle is better desu.

>>30774921
>>30774896
dont listen to this idiot. VGC is not smogon OU which is wat those usage stats show. Also VGC on cart is very different from VGC on smogon

>>30774401
literally no team without a tapu, same goes for OU though so who cares.

Tapus were a mistake.

>>30774975
So, these stats aren't from people playing VGC rules on showdown?

>>30774975
Have you even bothered to look a second at the pic that anon posted?
The mons and the moves on that list are current VGC meta incarnate.

>>30774921
Thanks, Kouhai.

That helps a lot.

I'm so fucking sick of this meta already why can't I play UU for real yet REEEEEEEEE

How's this set coming along?

Shuckle @ Grip Claw
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Bold Nature
- Infestation
- Sticky Web
- Toxic
- Shell Smash

Toxapex @ Black Sludge
Ability: Merciless
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Baneful Bunker
- Liquidation
- Recover
- Venoshock

Ferrothorn @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
- Gyro Ball
- Curse
- Spikes
- Leech Seed

Carbink @ Light Clay
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Rock Tomb
- Light Screen
- Guard Split
- Rest

Blissey @ Leftovers
Ability: Healer
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Protect
- Soft-Boiled
- Substitute
- Toxic

Forretress @ Normal Gem
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
- Toxic Spikes
- Explosion
- Reflect
- Gyro Ball

>>30775105
>stall
Trash

>>30767992
>LIGQUIIIIIIIIIIID
>BROTHERRRR

I keked

>>30775082
dont worry me anon i feel the same way

Timid or Modest Alolan Ninetails?

>>30775791
Timid so you outsanic stuff like Keldeo and Kartana and KO them.

>>30775807
Ok boss

>>30773830
Still no takers. :(

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Is there a better Porygon-Z moveset than this?
Modest 252 Sp. Attack 252 Speed 4 HP @ Normalium Z Adaptability
Thunderbolt
Trick Room
Conversion
Tri-Attack

>>30776122
Yes

If you're using Conversion with Thunderbolt you DON'T need Trick Room since that's counterproductive, nor do you need Tri Attack because it's a weak as shit move after you change typings.

Do it as:

Porygon-Z @ Normalium
44 Def / 232 SpA / 232 Spe
Timid nature
Adaptability
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Conversion
Hidden Power Ground / Recover

If this is for ingame and you don't have access to a good hidden power, go with Recover or Shadow Ball to hit Marowak.

Rate my teams, anons? I'm having glaring problems with UBs and Top Lel

Pinsir-Mega @ Pinsirite
Ability: Aerilate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Quick Attack
- Return
- Close Combat
- Swords Dance

Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 128 HP / 252 SpA / 128 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Cannon
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Fang
- Poison Jab

Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Extrasensory
- Ice Beam
- Gunk Shot

Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 120 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 132 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Shadow Bone
- Bonemerang
- Stealth Rock

Latios @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Defog
- Recover

>>30775807
>KO Kartana
>implying it won't hold Sash and Smart Strike you

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I haven't gotten around to playing gen 7 UU yet. How viable is Serperior? And what are some good team mates?

Celesteela is the biggest cancer right now, holy shit. Ship this cunt to ubers already.

>>30777672
Lele has no reliable counters.
Celesteela has at least Alolawak, Magnezone, Koko, Mega Venu, and Toxapex.

>>30777729
I don't know if I'm just retarded but I cant get Marowak to work against Celesteela for the life of me if they're running Leech Seed/Flamethrower/Sub/Protect because Marowak is too slow and Flame Charge always has recoil damage

I hate having to build an entire team around countering one pokemon. I'm just playing pre-bank so far, which has less options of course but it's incredibly annoying.

>>30777729
>Lele has no reliable counters
Not Bisharp?
What's ""the"" Lele set?

>>30778100
Bisharp is a check, not a counter.

252 SpA Tapu Lele Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Bisharp: 176-208 (64.9 - 76.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

The most common set for lele I've seen is choice scarf with
Psychic
Moonblast
Thunderbolt/Shadowball/hp fire/focus blast

>>30770842
plz respond. I'm running AV Tangrowth, Scarf Latios, and Suicide Lead Terrakion now but not sure if it's any good.

>>30769680

how is Aegislash ded? they do him dirtier than Talonflame and Gengar?

>>30778474
It got das boot to ubers again

>>30778474
B&

>>30778474
No

He just got banned

Can we talk about good pairings?

I hear decidueye + magnezone is great. Decidueye traps steel types with spirit shackle, then you hard switch into magnezone and Boom that's one dead space waifu. Make sure to get rid of shed shell if it has one.

>>30778502
>>30778503
>>30778516

fucking why? Toxi walls him out, the Tapus laugh at him despite the steel weakness, Magnezone stucks him, I'll admit he's great but he has so many checks this gen.

>>30774921
>protect: the game

>>30778542
...you can just switch magnezone in and trap her anyway.

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Posted this a while ago but I don't remember if i anyone answered so...this is what my team may or may not look like when bank update hits.

Only 2 rules when trying to suggest other pokemon and strategies
>Mega T-Tar STAYS, no matter what.
>No Choice items, I hate being stuck on one move.

>>30771187
>Jolly smogonfrog
You know water shuriken is special now right?

>>30779029
Change garchomp to female
I know you are against choice items, but scar lele is honestly her best set.
Greninja is fine.
Bonemerang is better on alolawak because it breaks sashes.
Ferrothorn is fine.
Consider maybe changing crunch for pursuit on t-tar. Although crunch is still good.

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This is what I've been playing with so far, have been doing pretty well. Any improvements?

God, im new to Comp Pokemon how the fuck do i deal with stallers all they do is fucking stockpile, heal then burn/confuse and i do like 1 fucking damage to them

>>30779592
use taunt and/or encore

>>30779592
Wallbrakers, taunt, encore, choice scarf trick, and always put up rocks.

>>30779650
Reccomend any good pokemon for Stealth Rocks

>>30779662
Alola Marowak, jirachi, ferrothorn, garchomp.
A lot of pokemon learn stealthrock.

>>30779273
>Female Chomp
Why? For the non edged fin or is fem garchomp actually better
>Scarf Lele
Ehh, when I get more BP I'll try
>Bonemerang
I guess 90% acc is a good tradeoff for sash break
>Pursuit
I know it's good but I'd rather have a move that has 80 BP all the time

>>30779823
Because if it's for the non edged fin, i'm not gonna re-breed and ev train one again

Also I prefer the edged fin

Is Shiinotic any better than Amoonguss

>>30780227
it's literally unkillable with physical attacks if it uses strenght sap

>>30779273
>greninja is fine
No. Special ash ninja is the only viable one bc of water shuriken

>>30780250
How many stages does strength sap lower atk

>>30780270
But that's a regular protean greninja
>>30780219
There is no difference between male and female garchomp besides the fin.

>>30780414
>>30780219
Your other pokemon are male, you don't want to get walled by something using attract.

>amor lorient

>>30780570
>Attract
In all of my competitive history I don't recall anyone using attract once when fighting me.

>>30780737
>>30780570
Also Attract works on either gender now.

>>30780828
No it doesn't.

>>30780828
>>>/lgbt/

>>30776662
Most Kartanas hold Choice Scarf to outspeed everything after Beast Boost

it would still die but not thanks to Sash

>>30780828
if it did then attract meta would absolutely become a thing and genderless would be (more) god-tier.

>>30780895
>>30781056
>>30781158
My bad I thought the Cute Charm change was to all forms of infaction moves.

>>30778715
>the Tapus laugh at him despite the steel weakness

Tapu Lele with Choice Specs only 2HKOes Shield Aegislash with Shadow Ball and Aegislash KOs back with Flash Cannon/Shadow Ball

Tapu Bulu can't do shit to it because Grass stab isn't that strong even with Grassy terrain

Modest Koko only 3HKOes Shield Form with Thunderbolt

Fini can't do shit to Aegislash outside of playing the chances to get a burn and the most relevant Aegislash was specially-based

Magnezone stucks him, yeah, cool. When has that been an argument for anything? Arceus-Steel is also trapped by Magnezone, let's unban Arceus-Steel and Dialga

>>30778715
here is the calc for Tapu Bulu

252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Aegislash-Shield: 113-133 (34.8 - 41%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery and Grassy Terrain recovery

Show me your replays!

>>30760338
Where's MegaMawile?

>>30783291
Megastone is not released yet.

>>30783360
Oh right I forgot. Was it ever confirmed Pokebank is not getting item support?

>>30783474
Yes.

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>>30783474
Looks like you can't, I wonder how they're going to handle the problem.

Why the fuck do I keep seeing Mantine on these lists? What makes it so good now?

First time EV training for Comp.

Im assuming it goes.

>Breed the Pokemon you want
>Leave it on islevup or train it against specific pokes till the stats you want are maxed out.
>level it to 50

Am i right or did i miss something

>>30783722
If you have access to Pokérus and Power items SOS chains will max out a certain stat in 7/8 calls depending on the mon you're fighting.

>>30783693
Roost + buffed stats.

>>30783693
it got reliable recovery in the form of roost and also +20 base hp

I've been gathering UBs from the GTS using Happy Merchant skills. What are the preferred natures for Pheromosa and Nihilego? So far I have a Naughty and Jolly Phero and a Calm Nihil.

>Finally broke the 1400 barrier
I'M SEEING A LOT OF FUCKING HOOPA-U/GENESECT/TOP LEL/PHEROMOSA TEAMS

WHAT THE FUCK

I wonder if they're ever going to let Blaziken out of its cage. At the start of Gen 6 it was quick-banned without even a suspect test while Mega Mom, Gengar and Mence shat on the ladder for god knows how long...

Not to mention I want to punch the faggot who keeps letting Landerous and Genesect out because "it'll be different this time guys I promise".

Jesus christ we know exactly how this little dance with Genesect and Landerous goes and yet every game release without fail it gets invited back in the house like an abusive partner just to fuck up the ladder all over again.

Who is a good partner for an Assault Vest Buzzwole? I went 252 HP 252 attack, Adamant for mine.

I figured that Speed wouldn't be too big of an issue so I was thinking of a CursePassing Pyukumuku with Taunt or something. I haven't played Comp since Diamond so I'm out of the loop.

Is Cramonk the only pokemon able to OHKO Zygarde in the itemless meta?

>>30783946
Jolly is pretty shitty on Pheromosa, defenses don't matter on it and being unable to run Ice Beam hurts it quite bad. Calm is just straight up terrible on Jelly, you really don't want to run a defensive spread on a mon with no recovery and that type.

>>30784072
Alright, I'll probably train the Naughty Phero then. And damn, I was hoping Calm would be decent but you make a good point. Too bad you can only catch one space jelly.

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>>30784114
Yeah you fucked up mate.

>>30784167
Well fuck. Guess I'll continue jewing it up on the GTS and hope for the best. I've been farming bottle caps too so I'm prepped for shitty IVs.

Or perhaps I'll wait for a giveaway.

>>30784192
What's the shekelmon you're currently using?

>>30783969
>Unbanning Hoopa-U Lando and Gene at the start of GVII
Fucking retards

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Because my friends don't like Tapus or UBs and also only pre-bank for now, I had to make a team without any of those things. Did I do okay given the requirements or do I need to go back to the drawing board?

>>30784209
Relicanth. It generally nets me a Slutroach in about three minutes of putting it up. Nihil takes a bit longer. I've also been asking for Guzzlord, it seems nobody really wants that fat bastard.

>>30784270
What are your Top Lel checks?

>>30784278
I can't believe a 10% from fishing can seriously net you riches, how lazy can people be? Guess I should start farming Razor Claws before the market saturates.

>>30784254
At this point I'm pretty sure it's just the OU "council" not even trying to hide their blatant favoritism behind the thin facade they did in previous gens.

The fact that shit like Blaziken get perma-banned for generations at a time without even so much as a suspect test but we have to suffer Lando + Genesect for months at a time before being a lengthy re-test and ban every generation is just so fucking stupid.

Christ I still don't know why it took so long to ban Smogonsword.

>>30784360
It's not necessary because it's a team that's only for friends that wouldn't be using those.