Decidueye Thread #2

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>>29587553
Startin it off with a wallpaper.

>>29587725

Minimalism is my fetish

>>29587553
Let's talk how this thing is going to get banned to ubers because of Spirit Shackle.

Because seriously, you're going to be forced to a lot of mental work to not be forced to sack a Pokémon once this move is used and or let it become a set up bait once you can't switch out.

>>29588224
Imagine it getting Stakeout. Imagine that free Swords Dance and the following Shadow Sneak if they fall for the bluff and switch. Even something that resists Ghost would hurt. Barring Umbreon, probably.

>>29588224
People will just switch out for a counter once it hits the field
or just outright go for the kill, it will probably be a frail sweaper birb

>>29588690
>opponent switches in counter
>Decidueye used spirit shackle
>immideatly switch out decidueye while opponent can't switch
>counter the opponent's counter
>sweep

>>29588771
We don't know that it works like that. The effect might end when Decidueye's switched.

>>29589023
>The effect might end when Decidueye's switched.
This much should be obvious
I don't know why people are screaming ubers.

>>29589107
Yea honestly I love the birb but I'm afraid he's gonna be pretty bad.

Grass/Ghost ain't much better than grass flying. If doesn't have very high attack and good coverage options there will be many mons he can't do anything to.

anyone got any good Ideas for names?

I was thinking
Male: Enfield or Bracer
Female: Yumi

>>29589409
Ghost types usually get decent coverage options, though. What's weird is that he's physical, so I don't know we he'd have outside of Shadow Sneak and Leaf Blade. Of course Flying coverage like Acrobatics or something, but can't think of much else.

>>29589480
Female: Hedwig

>>29589539
Look up Gourgeist and Trevenant's movepools.

>>29589554
>Female: Hedgewig
ftfy

>>29589480
Ever since the chinese leaks ive been planning on naming mine Oliver.

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>>29589480
Archimède ofc

>>29589480
What's the name of that one Owl spirit from ATLA?

>>29589890
Won Shi Tong

>>29589480
Male: Archer
Female: I dunno, I'd rather have a male

>>29589890
If you're talking about the library guardian, it's Wan Shi Tong

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>>29589480
I'll likely end up naming any competitive Decidueye I run Shyu Unshou or Eigan Senyou, after this glorious scumbag.

Of course, if said Decidueye ends up being female, I'd go for something else entirely. Debating Hedwig, given the Ghost typing.

>>29588224
Shadowbind was honestly the last thing I expected to see in a pokemon game. That shit's cool as hell.

>>29589107
Because the arrow itself seems to be the shackle, so following not-pokémon logic, the effect should be independent of birb.

Pokémon logic, however, means that it could very well be tied to the birb. I'm personally hoping for it to be a 2-5 turn effect like sleep and then "The shackle broke! Enemy ___ was freed!"

I'm expecting it to just be a damaging mean look though.

>>29588224
The move isn't that good there are a ton of trapping attack moves but they aren't used.

>>29591458
Have you ever used Fire spin or Magma Storm? They lose their trapping effects when switched.

>>29591530
I'm not saying I agreed with them, despite liking the idea. I'm just giving my interpretation as to why some people think it isn't attached to the user. Notice how I said I expect it'll work like mean look (and thereby magma storm, firespin, etc) at the end?

>>29588039
same dude. I have a minimalist Umbreon wallpaper right now.

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smug shiny owl, the best owl

>>29592269
...
The owl Is manlet...

Also have cute Sun x Decidueye fanart?

>>29591530
fire spin and magma storm were often depicted as moves the mon had to maintain. Most likely due to the former being a wrap-like move in R/B that had to be used over a 2-5 turn period.

There are other moves that do stay when the user is switched out though, and often are ghost moves like nightmare and the like. We'll just have to see when the games actually come out.

>>29592456
>Calling manlet "man" to a bird
>Implying a bird with 160cm isn't huge by bird standards

>>29589480
Owlen

>>29589480
i gonna name my Owl Calvin, like Calvin Rose from Talon, a batman's spin off

>>29592269
No.

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Some bird sketches. Decidueye's cape wings are pretty fun to draw.

>>29593350
Is that you, mon?

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Just putting this here since someone wanted an edit of it from the draw thread.

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>>29592456
Not of Sun yet, but have this chicken instead.
Owls are for hug, not fug.

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>>29589480
EMIYA
They're both archers and they're both ghosts

>>29593403
Yo

>>29593479
Good stuff friend

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>>29593433
why not both?

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>>29589480
Lille, since he is also a ghostly owl archer/marksman thing

I cant decide if I am going to name mine Owliver, Takumi, Yumi, or Hedwig. I will probably get a thousand other names before I have to decide as well.

>>29593505
Thanks anon.

>>29589480

Legowlas

>>29589480
Male: Mr. Mundy

>>29594040
You are an anon of great taste, sir.

So it is a ghost because of the dead leaves it uses as arrows?

>>29588224
Just the same way mean look is banned right?

>>29589480
>Incineroar
Ligrame (Lieg-gur-ame)
Mix of Liger, Libre, and Flame
>Decidueye
Robenhoot (Robinhood and Robe-and-Hood but with hoot)
>Primarina
Honestly I don't know. It's fine as is imo

>>29596279
Oh, you meant just for Decidueye. Nvm.

>>29592456
I've come to a conclusion that people who use the term manlets are like 6'2"+ with no other redeeming qualities.

t. Manlet

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>HMs are no longer in the game
>You will never fly on the back of your owl buddy

>>29596734
>You will never fly on the back of your amorphous black blob with wings

Ftfy

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>>29596773
Y-Y-Yeah but you see its model show up in the little pop-up window thing first, so it counts!

>>29596734
>you will never fly on your tiny as fuck pidgy
>you will never fly on your tiny as fuk spearrow

>>29587553
Gosh Gren and Decidueye make the greatest cute goofy couple. More fanart anons

>>29597960
big and round breasts, with wide hips are usually popular, how about that?
you might want to post it in /trash/ though

>>29597960
talons

>>29597960
Fuck off

Do you guys think Decidueye will get Thousand Arrows?
>arrows are fired by archers
>decidueye is an archer

>>29593413
AYYY that was mine. Thanks !

>>29599769
Thousand arrows has nothing to do with arrows, it is Zygarde firing off cells and then they rain down unto the foe pining them down on the ground.

>>29597960
Are you actually doing it? If you actually are, I'd love to see a link to it
for research purposes of course

>>29589890
GF probably wont let you put Wan Shi Tong as a name because it has "Shi T" in the name

>>29589480
Male: Innes
Female: Purdue

>>29597960
But why though

>>29600761
>Innes
>Female isn't Neimi

????????

>>29589480
Still probably going for RobinHoot

>>29589480
Oliver in stage 1-2, Arrow when fully evolved.

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>>29589480
Soren

Oh fuck I just had an idea for a comic
>Little kid crying, lost in the woods
>Finds a litwick who offers to guide them back
>Only brings them deeper inside, kid getting weaker
>Tells kid to wait on a stump
>Kid now nearly dead
>Kid stays there, taunted by other ghosts, stump looking like the head of a phantump
>Kid crying, knows its about to die
>Mother fucking decidueye
>Scares off the other ghosts, offers kid berries
>Saves kid
Or
>Decidueye finds kid curled up
>Comforts them, kid's already a ghost
>Reaper-esque 'Welcome to the afterlife' thing

Any drawfags here for this?

>>29604712
these ideas are dumb

>>29604892
You're dumb

>>29587725

>jpg
>badly placed credit
>watermark

Fuck this.

>>29604904
>tfw who uses this glorious art style

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>>29589480
"Fly By Night"

I'm so glad it fits.

>>29587725
>That terrible compression
>Two watermarks that don't match the style of the piece
Why

>>29589480
Either the obvious Robinhoot or Pueo.

GF really outdid themselves with Decidueye. Even if it ends up being a shitmon, I'll still use it anyway because Decidueye is Sceptile levels of cool, and Sceptile is my favorite starter ever.

>>29605295
Worrying about shitmons is a competitive thing anyway. Just play what you like.

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>>29605079

>>29605335
I just want to be able to actually use it in competitive. It would be a real shame to see such an excellent design go to waste. If the whole Stakeout rumor is true, then Decidueye will be fine.

>>29605079
My nigga, I'mgoing to name my Rowlet like that as well. Seeing how SM are jojofag games seems extra fitting.

>>29605295
please dont compare this overdesigned mess with a stupid typing to sceptile.

>>29605428
>overdesigned
opinion discarded

>>29605079
Might be stealing this.

>>29605428
(You)

>>29605451
it is overdesigned. the bow is completely forced. it's so stupidly constructed that it's better off just throwing the arrows, which it could also do while flying. sure you'll scream "it's fiction, it doesn't have to work like real life!", except that it's fiction based on a real thing: a bow and arrow. and when the fictional counterpart is so against any common understanding of the real thing, why force it in the first place? it's like making a square wheel, even in a fictional setting it's stupid.

it's not even crucial to the owl assassin motif, it's just an extra layer of needless complexity that makes the design messier. it's a gimmick. and it's further complicated by arbitrarily making them "ghost arrows" to justify its type because its design doesn't convey it in any way, nor do the arrows. it has too much shit going on. that's the definition of overdesigned.

>>29605451
You did it. Now you made him sperg, I hope you are happy.

>>29605712
they're all valid points friend, you're free to argue them if you disagree.

>>29605428
Sceptiles pretty boring compared to decidueye

Good reason why hes the worst hoenn starter

>>29605678
>the bow is completely forced.
are you the same anon that's always in this thread saying the bow looks bad?

fuck off already you tryhard piece of shit

>>29605774
first time in this thread

not an argument

>>29589480
Gonna call mine Hamilton (Male)

>>29605678

I'll just point out the obvious fact that throwing a knife has nowhere near the range you get from firing a bow. His Dex entry specifically states that he can fire arrows half a mile.

Now kindly shut the fuck up.

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>>29605678

>>29605787
I'm not arguing. I'm telling you your opinions are shit. And no I won't argue them because I legitimately don't give a shit. If you want to count that as a "win" though then be my guest.

>>29605827
the dex entry isn't consistent with the design. it might as well say farfetch'd can slice things a mile away with his leek. throwing a knife has way more range than trying to shoot it with that ridiculous excuse for a "bow." again it's so disconnected from the real thing that it could just as easily throw a half mile, without adding messy gimmicks to the design.

>>29605845
there was a thread about this yesterday that blew all this bullshit out. owls aren't just inherently associated with death, there are lots of owl interpretations. the design needs to actually reflect death and spirituality for it to count. spiders are just "spooky" as owls but would galvantula pass for a ghost type? fuck no. same thing here. extinct species =/= ghost, every fucking martial art is spiritual, and "deciduous" is just its english name which has fuck all to do with the design.

all this shit is just people grasping for external justifications that gamefreak didnt bother actually implementing into the design.

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Why is there a faggot in this thread

>>29605851
>your opinions are shit
which is your opinion, which you don't explain. an unexplained opinion is objectively shittier than one that is.

>>29606021
>which is your opinion, which you don't explain. an unexplained opinion is objectively shittier than one that is.
kill yourself

>>29606032
another brilliant argument, decidueye fags really showing their intelligence here

>>29605975
>>29606045
/MOTHERFUCKINGthread

Also, Noctowl > Decishit

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>>29604420
Excellent tasse in authors anon
might be getting a Rockruffs in moon and naming it Faolan

>>29606106
samefag

>>29606127
Sorry for the shit lighting btw, my lamp is on right now

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>>29605975
I now I have a new appreciation of all 3 gen 7 starters thanks to you. Thanks for helping me to love them all.

>>29606165
epic damage control my dude

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>>29606148
sure

>>29606182
Can't there just be a comfy Decidueye thread? Why do we have to argue about every fucking thing?

>>29606223
>cropped porn

S T O P
T
O
P

>>29606245
you don't have to argue, just don't claim arguments are wrong when you can't actually argue back. you're free to "not care" or whatever coping mechanism you favor

>>29606258
so what you're saying is, that you DON'T want this bird? at all?

>>29606258
gay

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>>29606275
>pic related
Please get out and let the people who enjoy the owl enjoy it, you realize that people have different tastes then you right? Sure, you can think that your taste is "superior in every way" but can't you just keep it to yourself and let people enjoy the owl without being a sperg? I know you might come back with something like "sure, whatever helps you cope that your owl is shit" but that's a matter of fucking opinion, why not just say that you hate the owl and move on without tooting your horn at everyone?

>>29606346
hey man, the first reply to me was "opinion discarded" so i explained my opinion. if you want to engage in discussion about it then be my guest, or go back to "not caring." up to you.

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>>29605975
>there was a thread about this yesterday that blew all this bullshit out
It really didnt, at least in my opinion. It was just some autistic ass saying now of the reasons made sense to them personally so they were bad reasons.
You spergs really have trouble grasping that to some of us it took 4 seconds of thinking after the announcement and then said "that makes some sense actually" and moved the fuck on.
Does the design scream ghost? No.
Is there some reasons why it could be ghost? Yeah.
Is this a problem? Subjective.
Now shut up and go make your own thread if you want to whine about it some more.

>>29606398
the design doesn't just "not scream" ghost, it doesn't say ghost in the slightest. if that doesn't bother you then you don't care about design consistency. no amount of external rationalization will make it a good ghost design.

>>29593350
These are great. I don't know why but I like sketches more than inked/colored stuff.

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>>29606484
Shut up nerd

>>29606484
>if that doesn't bother you then you don't care about design consistency
Thats not true, I just know when not to fight a losing battle since gamefreak hasnt cared about it since gen 1 so why the fuck should anyone else?
Why wasnt charizard a dragon when the design clearly said "dragon"
Why wasnt goodra part water?
Why wasnt flygon part bug?
Why is Gliscor any of the types it is instead of being part poison?
Why and how is Jellicent a ghost?
The answer is simply that we do not control how gamefreak makes up a pokemon's typing, and not everyone is even going to agree with you that a pokemon doesnt match the typing given. Even the examples I posted have people that are for and against. Get over yourself

>>29595841
I really like this one

>>29606484
Dude. You. Need. To. Stop.
You're so obsessed with this thing you might as well start saying it's your wife, NO ONE cares about why Decidueye is a Ghost or not or why it is and what's the backstory, you're needlessly creating conversations like these that go no where just for your little autistic mind to complain.

Accept this thing as to how it is and whatever headcanons people have and move on.

>>29606604
thats a completely different argument, fucko. again it was in the thread. almost every pokemon could be plenty of types. the important thing is that their actual type is justified, as in consistent with their design, and all of those are. decidueye would work as plenty of types but ghost isn't one fo them.

jellyfish are like 99.9% water and straight up look like floating transparent ghosts.

>>29606385
Like I said, pic related
You went into this thread fully knowing you didn't like decidueye and made a reply saying why.

Like I said, stay out of the fucking thread

>>29606484
I honestly agree with you, I love Decidueye but it absolutely shouldn't be Ghost. But it is Ghost and there's nothing that can be done about it.

>>29606718
>baww stay out of my safe space
you're on 4chan kid, people can post negative opinions here. if you don't like it go back to whatever shitty hugbox site you came from

>>29606720
not saying it will change, it's just a perfectly valid criticism when comparing to other designs, like my nigga sceptile and other grass starters

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>>29606759

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>>29592456
>Also have cute Sun x Decidueye fanart?
Seconding

>>29606759
I say that the sense of conveyance isn't as immediate as other ghost types because it goes for something more abstract and specific to the region its based on. It's likely not obvious because it isn't supposed to be, but I personally don't have a hard time seeing it after knowing more about possible inspirations. Maybe it could have been done a bit differently or in some more obvious way but that wouldn't really change what it is. You could probably argue a bunch of different typings for Pokemon that people would find more fitting (like grass/dragon on your friend Sceptile) but its all really based on personal perspective and perceptions.

Its fine if you don't like any of that or think its too much or whatever, but trying to come in here and claim like that's objective or anything really doesn't really get us anywhere and just seems like you're trying to stir shit for very little reason.

>>29589480
Owliver Queen because fuck originality.

>>29606933
it's not about what type fits best, it's about its actual type fitting at all. i.e. it's not about whether sceptile "should" be grass/dragon, it's whether grass type works on it, and no one can reasonably argue that it doesn't.

like i said, the connections are all external and not actually implemented into the design. that's objective.

>>29589480
Noire. After second best daughteru.

>>29607008
>it's not about what type fits best, it's about its actual type fitting at all
But people did argue for other examples and you denounced them because YOU didnt agree with it.
For example, when you used the "jellyfish look like ghosts" argument for jellicent, that is just the same thing as people saying "owls are spooky" for decidueye
they are completely subjective statements and you treat yours like fact

And every time you or someone else brings it up it goes like this:
>how is this owl a ghost
>someone gives a reason
>That reason isnt good enough or not conveyed through the design alone
>Someone asks why x older pokemon is y type when it makes no sense
>Original shitposter gives reason
>People think that reason isnt good enough or not conveyed through the design alone

Repeat forever.

>>29607008
>like i said, the connections are all external and not actually implemented into the design. that's objective.
It isn't though. Because that's about your perception. It's also about what you believe the type to be at its core and how broad you believe it can be.

Of course Sceptile's primary type can be argued as grass since its literally a giant green lizard with plants growing out of it. Same that can be said for Decidueye being a grass type. What you're arguing is a secondary type. For Decidueye it can be reasoned through external knowledge (if you don't already know) that it has enough to be a ghost type. It looking like an owl alone gives it enough justification due to spiritual thematic connections. It's like making something else that is normally considered a spirit in other cultures a ghost, even though it might not look like it to others. You don't ignore external information when looking at a design because that helps you know why it was designed like that in the first place.

>>29607184
but owls are not inherently spiritual, that's absurd. again, spiders are just as spooky and death-related as owls, but that doesn't mean galvantula would work as a ghost type. decidueye's design is just as unrelated to ghost.

>>29607135
jellyfish fit the ghost bit on a physical level of being wispy, transparent and largely nonsolid. owls are just generic predatory birds. spiders and crows are also spooky but would galvantula and honchkrow make sense as ghost types? no.

the explanations i've seen for old pokemon actually do tie into their design, or they're bad models for design like jynx or lucario.

I wish the austistic contrarian faggot would leave the thread

>>29607329
Nothing is inherently anything. Do you really not get the cultural dissonance that you are experiencing?

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otp

>>29607329
>jellyfish fit the ghost bit on a physical level of being wispy, transparent and largely nonsolid
No, they fucking dont. At least not to me.
I didnt even know that Jellicent were ghost types until I looked it up a while back. I had never used them and they never struck me as ghost types, I thought they were mono water or water/psychic

>owls are just generic predatory birds. spiders and crows are also spooky but would galvantula and honchkrow make sense as ghost types?
If they suddenly got a ghost typing I could reasonably see them as that sure. And I for sure wouldnt be having a hissy fit about them if they were made into ghost types.

Again, everything you are stating as "fact" is completely subjective.

>Thread ruined by some jackass that won't accept that Decidueye is a ghost type

Welp. It was fun.

>>29606709
>Jellyfish are ghosts
>owls are not.

>>29607897
get that shit outta here

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Drew this

>>29608661
Beautiful

>>29589480
Male: Hanzo
Female: Hedwig

>>29587553
I was just kinda meh about Rowlet and Decidueye at first but they've come to grow on me and now I love them.

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>>29608749
OP here, I was like that with Decidueye, but I always liked Rowlet. Little fluffball he is

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>>29608812
Yeah, I was a Littenfag at first because I am a cat person and fire is my favorite type. But I love birds too and while I was a little unsure about Rowlet, I didn't dislike it and probably would have traded for one in my playthrough.

Then the evos got confirmed and I absolutely hate Incineroar and it ruined the whole line for me, but Decidueye looked interesting and had a neat typing. Now I'm a full Rowletfag.

>>29608852
My friend was the same, more will join our side soon

>>29608661
Love it haha

>>29587725
>place label right next to the name
why the fuck do people think its a good idea to post its name on the fucking picture?
jesus it just looks stupid

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>>29587725
>Fixed

>>29589468
Makes a lot more sense this way.

>>29593903
whoa, it has potential. you finished it?

>>29589480
>Male
Fletcher, Woodsy, Sylvan
>Female
Yew, Pueo

>>29609321
While that is a bit better, the resolution's off, there's still some bad compression, and I honestly wouldn't mind seeing the creator's name in the bottom left corner.

>>29605712
I'm never happy.

OP here. I hope it gets Ice Punch and Mach Punch.

>>29604373
Cringe

>>29589825
Holy fuck, yes. Gonna do this now.

>>29605805
Because the F1 pilot?

>>29608661
kek

>>29604712
Terrible ideas, anon. Honestly. No offense meant tho

>>29611461
I dunno if it will get any punch moves, but I have a feeling that it will probably get Jump Kick/High Jump Kick or even Blaze Kick if we're really fucking lucky.

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>>29611461
IMPOSTER

but i agree

>>29604712
kys

>>29605678
The bow is only used for Spirit Shackle. Every other attack is just leaf throwing. Not to mention the arrow would still be faster than the leaf shooting since it seemingly travels at the speeds of a sniper rifle bullet.

It's not even that intrusive at all since unless it's using Spirit Shackle it's just a hoodie and a bow tie. The hoodie does help the assassin motif along with having a slight reaper cloak shape when paired with its wings and the bowtie draws a connection to its preevos.

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>>29616038

>>29589704
Too much arrow.

>>29616038
who?

>>29616666

>>29606534
Sauce?

>>29616038
>anthro
>tits
Garbage.

>>29606127
This looks right up my alley going off the cover, work reading? Xenofiction is my favourite genre.

>>29617228
*worth

>>29617140
you do realize you're gay right? just making sure

>>29617140
Decidueye is already anthro

>>29608661
10/10 I had a giggle

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>>29617643

>>29617643
That's the idea.

>>29617524
>not being gay
>2016

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>>29589480
I'm going with Giles

I want moar Greninja x Decidueye art

>>29621636
I want more Sun x ___female Decidueye art

>>29621663
>want more
>STILL nothing in this world draw these pairing

wew

>>29621709
any at all would be more than none, wouldn't it?

>>29589539

>ghost types usually get decent coverage options

top kek

>>29623349
why does he laugh /vp/

victory bump

defeat bump

>>29596734
You do know Fly is a TM now right?