Lunaala

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>>28958098

>Poochy use sucker punch, its super effective Lunaala fainted

>>28958098
In a world where Dark-type moves reign supreme in-game and competitively, the former option.

>>28958098
The former.

Shit's has to eat x4 shadow sneaks, pursuits, Knock offs, and sucker punches.
There is no recovering from that unless it's stats are rediculously insane

>>28958098
This fucker has multiscale so there's no way it's OU

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>>28958136

Lunaala learns moon blast.

>>28958156
How common are mons with Mold Breaker in competitive circles? Just wondering.

>>28958098

it's gonna have bloated stats like Giratina tier defenses and deoxys-n tier attack and will most likely have multiple busted exclusive moves.

It will most likely be allowed to hang out in OU for a while while Solgaleo gets instabanned to Ubers.

>>28958191
Excadrill and Kyu-b are common in OU, but neither runs super effective coverage for lunala

>>28958185
is that a new priority fairy move or something?

Middle option.

It won't touch Ubers but it won't be terrible due to stay spread alone and stay safely in OU.

It's a good offensive typing. Darkrai on the field? Switch out.

Does /vp/ not understand the fucking concept of switching? Do you just leave your Keldeo in on a Talonflame?

>>28958226
But then it's still the first Box legend to the premiere games of a new gen that will not be Uber.

>>28958234
>Switch out.
>x4 Pursuit

>>28958238
That's such a specific statement.
Kyurem-b was a box legend and has been OU since its generation, it's not like lunala is anything special if it does end up OU (which it won't because multiscale is broken lol)

>>28958257

Oh no!

A single move!

>>28958264

> to the premiere games of a new gen

reading is important, yes.

>>28958264
Kyurem-b wasn't the box legend of the first games of gen 5, Reshiram and Zekrom were who were both Uber

>>28958272
Learn to reading comprehension

I pointed out your statement is worded in an extremely specific way to make it seem like lunala being OU would be anything new.

And you just completely missed the point cos you're retarded

>>28958257
Name one Uber that commonly carries Pursuit.

>>28958282
T-Tar is used constantly in ubers.

>>28958271
it's valid though.
The obvious reply of "just switch out" doesn't apply anymore.

>>28958280

You're the retarded one since the statement was a thing since the Original Post.

>First Box legend for the first games of a new gen
>for the first games of a new gen

You're the retarded once because you go all "herp derp third option cause I'm a special snowflake" and evne your special snowfake option still wraps around to the first option.

>>28958098
My guess is that it'll be one of those pokemon that are too good for OU but not really good for ubers.

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>>28958293
>wasting a slot on Tar like that

>>28958293
Wait, seriously?

>>28958319
In that case the the latter choice winds up happening.

Would be funny to actually have a BL tier before Ubers occupied only by Lunaala

>>28958204
Fairy flamethrower/ice beam/ thunderbolt

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>>28958322
>pursuit is a wasted slot on tyranitar
Nice try, Latios. You're not fooling anyone

>>28958293
And Scizor

>>28958335
Most of the top OU pokemon have big niches in uber.

Have monstrously special defense, resisting dark and flying is MASSIVE in ubers. Especially since Latios and Latias' usage in Ubers has been steadily increasing the last few months.

>>28958338
>Would be funny to actually have a BL tier before Ubers occupied only by Lunaala

It would be funny, but it'd never really happen since there are other pokemon that see little to no usage in ubers just because they aren't that good.

Those would probably go to that tier as well.

>>28958343
Hey.

You better stop that.

>>28958238
And...that's a bad thing ?

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>>28958375
Or what?

>>28958377
I'm not saying it's good or bad, I'm saying a streak has ended.

With Lunaala, one of these streaks has to.

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Can a Pokemon simultaneously be good in OU and Ubers? Because that's what I think could happen

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>Lunaala has a 100+ BP Ghost Type move
>people think it's gonna be bad

I guarantee you that specs lunaala is already going be fucking retarded.

>>28958416
I mean theres always a first for anything. I'll personally be glad to use it in OU (I don't like Ubers)

>>28958425
Its ability to move past abilities like Sturdy, Multiscale and Unaware would no doubt help it big time

Though i'm looking at sub-cm myself

>Shadow Shield lowers damage taken from damage-dealing moves when at maximum HP
What a waste of ability slot

>>28958098
It's an uber with a definite way to beat (like nearly every other one) it but extremely varied use. But only if it has over 110 speed, otherwise its shit. Everyone can't see past sucker punch when it's going to have a movepool to break the game.

>Wisp
>Roost/Moonlight
>Moongeist beam is possibly a better shadow ball
>Moonblast is great coverage
>Calm mind
>U turn with at least 90 attack (legends never have less than 90 in any stat) regigigas doesn't count
>Trick
Yep, 110 or higher speed and you have yourself a more offensive support oriented lugia.

>>28958193
Invert that friend, solgaleo is going to be OU.
>movepool of lion pokemon
lol

>>28958425
>100BP spammable ghost move that ignores abilities
RIP in piss lugia.

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>>28958470
- /vp/

I mean, it wasn't "amazing" or Uber in any capacity but Rhydon is x4 weak to two types and was OU for two gens

>>28958470
>renamed Multi-Scale
>shit
what

>>28958468
That's solgaleo's ability
Lunala's ability is like multiscale

>>28958506
no that's the move, not the ability. The move does that. It has multiscale AND a move that acts like it has mold breaker.

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>/vp/ thinks a pokemon with ghost stab and a 100+ BP ghost move and fucking multiscale is going to be bad
Ghost is one of the strongest stabs in the game only held back by the lack of high BP moves.

>>28958506
No. Solgaleos ability is a renamed clear body

>>28958506
I was talking about Moongeist Beam's special effect

>>28958480
I know its been talked to death already, but I wonder how exactly Solgaleo will separate itself from Base and Mega Metagross

>>28958506
No, Moongeist Beam and Sunsteel Strike are attacks that act like Moldbreaker; they ignore abilities. Solgaleo's ability is Full Metal Body (renamed Clear Body)

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>>28958425
Coconut fred: Fruit salad island

>>28958558
It'll have howl :^)

But no consider the movepool of things like Luxray and Pyroar and you kinda get the gist of how solgaleo is going to turn out, not to mention it looks like it's going to suffer from the standard legendary speed stat of 90.

>>28958530
The problem is this one is sitting on being x4 weak to two types which is an instant death sentence for Pokemon.

>>28958530
>4x weakness to 2 of the most common priority moves
It'll need high defense stats or else it'll suck dick

>>28958558
Solgaleo is going to have recovery in the form of Morning Sun most likely.
He's gonna be really nice for ass ramming Xerneas and being able to do it consistently.
Not to mention that he's probably gonna have a good amount of fire type moves.

>>28958586
>poochyena used sucker punch
>it failed!
>lunala used will-o-wisp!
Wow

>>28958579
I've been seeing a strange recurrence of posts here saying it will have 89 speed

But being the emissary of the Sun, hopefully it will gain access to some Fire attacks. Even Flamethrower on an off special attack stat would be great against other Steel types

>>28958585
>>28958586
Literally does not matter with Multiscale.
I don't think you realize how hard it is for the current ubers metagame to handle high bp ghost type moves.
If the enemy's Yveltal dies, Lunala will be able to blast booties with specs all it wants.

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Step 1. Get rid of enemys sucker punch users
Step 2. Don't get OHKO'd thanks to multiscale
Step 3. SE move activates Weakness policy
Step 4. Sweep
Step 5. Profit

>>28958607
>Literally does not matter with Multiscale
>what is stealth rock

>>28958586
>Multiscale
And if it's a very fast mon, the only thing you even have to fear is Shadow Sneak and Sucker Punch.

>>28958623
Ubers does not lack for defoggers or rapid spinners.

>>28958587
>He's gonna be really nice for ass ramming Xerneas and being able to do it consistently.
More like scare it off before it uses Geomancy. Guaranteed its gonna sting really badly if it has to stop a boosted one

>>28958585
This is also the ONLY things its weak to.
>Ghost, uncommon outside lunala :^) and almost never used as coverage
>Dark, Easily played around priority move, you're a retard if you switch into knock off.

>>28958598
why would it have 89 speed, no box legend has any stat below 90 I don't think they're going to break the trend.
I digress, it seems like it might get some good fire moves. Flare blitz doesn't seem out of the question.

>>28958598
That would be good, if it was a Special attacker. Sunsteel Strike is implied to be a Psysical move since you basically ram into the opponent, so.

What is this 4x weak is an auto killer for Pokemon meme?

Talonflame has awful stats and the single worst possible 4x weakness in the game. All it has is a good ability and a passable movepool which includes all of 3 usable attacking moves.

Having a ~100 BP Special Ghost STAB with built in Moldbreaker on 680 BST with Multiscale-boosted defenses is far beyond what OU mons carrying Sucker Punch can beat. Money goes to SubRoost with double STAB being one of the primary sets for this thing, which easily bypasses every reasonable OU counter for it.

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>>28958637
>yfw assault vest Solgaleo
>yfw a new physical psychic hp drain move gets added called Brain Drain and solgaleo gets it

>>28958645
A few days ago I saw someone trying to argue magnezone and garchomp were complete shit because they had x4 weaknesses.
Don't discuss comp with /vp/

>>28958645
Talonflame is x4 weak to one type. There are many Pokemon that work with a x4 weakness.

There isn't a single Pokemon, however, which is x4 weak to two types that isn't trash.

>>28958492
The users of Multiscale are already bulky. Lunala doesn't look like it will be.

>>28958686
None of those pokemon with two $x weakness have 680 BST, a 100+ BP ghost move and multiscale.

>>28958693
It has 680 BST. It has guaranteed above average bulk.

>>28958693
Dragonite doesn't really qualify as bulky these days without multiscale. 91/95/100 wow huge. Consider lunala will have a minimum of 90/90/90

680 BST doesn't mean shit. A Trick-or-Treated Mew can't survive a Foul Play unless it's super stacked up on Defense and HP.

>>28958710
>Consider lunala will have a minimum of 90/90/90
oh on this, if it does have that as its bulk all the stats have to go somewhere and it sure as shit wont be mostly attack. That's 410 more stats to distro to 3 stats. 210 special attack here we come.

Are you forgetting about full moon phase?
Maybe it work like a mega and a type or his ability chanche.
Figure an ability like Delta Stream who broke ghost or dark weakness on it.

>>28958726
>full moon phase
Remember xerneas's extra form?

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>>28958726
THIS.

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>>28958686
Rhyperior has no solid defensive checks that aren't Giratina or something crazy

Also pic related can cause serious havoc

>>28958726
>his

>>28958731
Full moon phase Lunala and Radiant sun phase had been confirmed by nintendo...

>>28958726
Seems like the only way to save it.

Remove it's weaknesses entirely.

>>28958686
Rhyperior spent most of Gen 4 in OU (DP-early HGSS) and has seen Smogon tour play in Gen 6 OU.

http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/rhyperior/ou/
http://www.smogon.com/dex/dp/pokemon/rhyperior/ou/

Now what super specific bullshit will you class Lunala under?

>>28958768
and so had xerneas's forms.

Aesthetic change only, I garuntee it.

>>28958749
>RU shitmon

>>28958775
Dark and Ghost-type moves are literally everywhere now, though. And they don't even need to be a specific type to run them like most Grass and Water-type moves.

>>28958335
Youll see alomamola in ou and Ubers sometimes

Flygons a primal groudon counter

>>28958645
This is with psyquic/ghost type with multiscale and full health. 90/90/90 bulk
>236+ Atk Life Orb Poochyena Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Lunaala: 234-276 (72.8 - 85.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

This is with 100/100/100 bulk
>236+ Atk Life Orb Poochyena Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Lunaala: 213-252 (62.4 - 73.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>28958338
Are you retarded
Ubers is the BL list of OU lmao

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>>28958778
>They release their mighty power
>Only appareance will change

Are you serious?

>Yveltal used sucker punch!
>It failed!
>Lunala used Willowisp!

>Aegislash used Kings Shield
>Lunala used Willowisp!

>Aegislash used shadow sneak!
>It did 50% or some shit!
>Lunala used Moongiest Beam!
>Aegislash fucked off outta here!

Fucking plebs in this thread need to learn to meme correctly, the move you are looking for is pursuit.

>>28958806
>Ghost-type moves are literally everywhere now
Oh really? Is that so? Such as? Seems like a big change, what's new that's spamming ghost moves? Gengar isn't new.

>>28958816
Dead serious they said the same shit about Xerneas.

>>28958813
>Lunala used substitute
>sucker punch failed
>Lunala used moon blast
>poochyena fainted

>>28958825
>>28958833
252+ Atk Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Lunaala: 226-268 (70.4 - 83.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>28958825
Aegislash. My point still stands for Knock Off and Sucker Punch.

>>28958858
so one pokemon threatens it then.

>Knock Off
It'll outspeed all those shitters outside maybe weavile.
>Sucker Punch
>lunala used will o wisp
>lunala used sub
>lunala used moonlight

>>28958857
And then Lunaala proceed to kill it with a moongeist beam which will guaranteed murder Aegislash.
Aegislash CANNOT switch into Lunaala. It's best shot is to revenge kill.
It either gets WoW'd or Moongeist Beamed.

>>28958833
>>28958866
>it's going to get all of these great moves because i said so

>>28958833
>this kills the shadow shield

>>28958825
>What will these two do when they release their full power?
I guess it means it does something else than just changing their forms.

>>28958874
its a ghost, it WILL have will o wisp
its a pokemon that can learn TMs, it WILL have sub fucking retard
its 99% chance of getting moonlight come the fuck on.
Remove your head from thy anus. I know you want it to be bad so much, but fact is it wont be.

>>28958813
Are you actually retarded? Do you know what Substitute does? Do you understand the concept that the Sucker user has to switch into Lunaala? Forget sucker users, nothing short of TTar should actually be threatening Lunaala from the current pool of OU legal Pokemon.

>>28958806
Nothing really runs Ghost moves without STAB except a small handful of Psychic types that clearly can't deal with Lunaala to begin with. It's not like non-STAB dark attacks are even a remote threat to Lunaala anyway with their current distribution. You can switch out of anything without Pursuit while still chunking them for 75%+ while they switch in, and the list of things that can viably eat a hit from this thing and Pursuit it will probably start and end at ScarfTar.

>>28958874
Mate, EVERY single fucking ghost type learns Will o wisp.
Fucking every pokemon learns substitute

These are not fucking ridiculous rare moves that no one gets, are you fucking retarded.

And I guarantee on my life that the MOON EMISSARY pokemon will learn MOON blast and MOON light

>>28958857
aegislash's only niche in ubers is fucking specially defensive to handle xerneas

0 attack leftovers aegislash does less than 50% with shadow sneak

With all this Sucker Punch talk, Disable would be a real help here

>>28958887
What makes you think it'll have higher than 90 speed, and always come in when there are no hazards?

Daily reminder that there are only 3 pokemon in ubers that can switch into a 100+ BP ghost move.
Full stop. ONLY 3.

>>28958874
Everyone gets Substitute just like SD. It's a Ghost type so WoW is a given and Moonlight, on the MOON pokemon. Consider pulling that screwdriver from your skull and stop being retarded.

>>28958908
How many Ghost/Psychic types that can switch into Knock Off?

Outside damage reduction, is it confirmed that Linala's ability does something else or its just clone of Multyscale?

>>28958905
ok so you are retarded then.
>This lean as shit flying disc will be slow!
As for hazards you just have to play appropriately, not like there aren't a billion defoggers in ubers including fucking arceus.

>>28958908
Kyogre, Ho-oh and what else? Palkia? Dialga? Not that any of those are really threatening to it in return.

>>28958920
>let me just switch in my heatran on this earthquake without a balloon
heatran -> PU

>>28958920
Hoopa can switch into Shuckle's Knock Off

>>28958920
>SWITCHING in Knock Off
>with a Ghost type.
Please delete you Showdown account.

>>28958295
Yes, it does.

Pursuit is uncommonly used and only on specific movesets.

>>28958932
>it's going to be fast because i said so

>>28958930
I'm a moron Lunala*

>>28958920
There's literally no pokemon in the game that wants to switch into a knock off outside of Justified Lucario @ megastone

If Lunaala switches into a utility mon that can't touch it, it's borderline impossible to switch into because 100+ BP ghost type move coming off legendary attacking stats.
This is typically how pokemon works, you don't switch your ghost type in a knock off which are usually insanely broadcasted.

>>28958952
Third time's the charm Lunaala*

>Implying /vp/ knows jack shit about competitive

Remember when people were constantly shitting on mega Sableye because it didn't have prankster, and how people shat on mega Slowbro because of shell armor? /vp/ is almost always wrong about this shit so I'm pretty sure Lunaala is going to be ubers despite having 2 4x weaknesses

>>28958932
Tyranitar, maybe extreme killer, maybe darkrai, maybe Arceus-Dark, Yveltal.
It all depends on how hard Lunaala's moon blast will hit.

>>28958946
Guess all i can say is wait and see then. :^)
bet my left testicle it'll have as much or more speed than lugia.

>>28958959
you were right the second time.

>>28958946
It outspead a Gengar. In the trailer it was first showcased in. And also:
>I lack common sense, please be gentle.

>>28958932
I'd guess Arceus and Yveltal would be two. Ho-Oh and Primal Kyogre should be able to do it too, so that'd be four. Palkia and Dialga would also likely survive but not to any useful extent. Not sure where he's getting three from. Maybe he was thinking of Darkrai, it probably will avoid the OHKO, but you really don't want to be switching that into a Moongeist Beam.

>>28958932
>Kyogre, Ho-oh and what else?
Probably some plated Arceus

>>28958959
You also fucked Multiscale

>>28958954
You're telling me you don't run Sucker Punch on your Lanturn?

>>28958971
Tyranitar will guaranteed survive anything Lunaala throws at it.

>>28958979
Crossing fingers for Focus Miss

>>28958971
Left field choice would be lopunny
Ubers lacks normal types that aren't ekiller.

Even then, there's a chance it'll get focus miss. Slight, but there.

>>28958871
>>28958893
>>28958897
The one who is retarded is you. You are the one who has to resort to lots of favourable situations in order to make this pokemon relevant in any way, as everything defoged before switching in, never losing hp so multiscale is always up, nobody has prankster and so on.

This is the reality
252+ SpA Life Orb Dark Aura Yveltal Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Lunaala: 546-642 (170 - 200%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Life Orb Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Lunaala: 382-452 (119 - 140.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

68 Atk Life Orb Deoxys-A Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Lunaala: 346-408 (107.7 - 127.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Mega Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Lunaala: 350-414 (109 - 128.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Landorus Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Lunaala: 320-377 (99.6 - 117.4%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

Maybe Lunaala would be broken in OU, but would suck in Ubers

>>28958994
We'll see. I for one want a good fast wisp user that can punch holes in things.

>>28958990
The problem with those is that they can get crippled really hard by the WoW on the switch.
>>28958988
>no arms
Doubt it'll get Focus Blast.

>>28959012
I want to say yveltal has focus miss, by level up even, but then I remember yveltal is arms.

>>28958994
Yeah and I'm sure Lugia is so shit because it's weak to stealth rock and gets murdered by the thirty billion mold breakers in Ubers. Multiscale is such a shit ability, geeze. wowey

>>28959012
>no arms
Wait what ? Yes it does, it's its wings. It can simply stretch them and concentrate.

Otherwise, Aura Sphere ?

>>28959019
Zygarde gets it

>>28958994
>A Pokemon with Multiscale have mostly sets with no defensive investment

Yeah, no.

>>28959024
Lugia doesn't have 2 4x weaknesses and it's bulky. If you want an offensive Lunaala to make the most out of its 100 BP ghost attack, then you can't expect it to be bulky in any way

>>28958977
Thanks, always kinda butchered this word

>>28959034
Wings don't count as arms for the sake of focus blast. Seriously, name one bird that learns Focus Blast. Yveltal is the closest thing, but it has those huge clawed wings.

>>28959024
I actually do think Lugia could work in OU

>>28959034
It'll be fine with moonblast anyway, ghost+fairy is only resisted by that lion guy with the huge imposing mane. Pyroar

>>28959042
Are you actually the guy that tried to argue garchomp is shit because of ice shard?

>>28959042
Anything with 680 BST is going to be bulky.
Multiscale is literally a top 3 ability. It turns dragonite from some garbage ru shitmon into a OU staple.

>>28959041
>Lunaala is going to 1shot everybody with his offensive set high Atk/SpA/Spe 100+ BT!
>But hold on! It also has bulky stats and deffensive EVs!

Might as well say Lunaala is going to get 140/10/120/150/120/140

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>>28959075
A realistic approach would be 90/100/100/145/125/120
Which is absurdly good.

>>28959067
>Are you actually the guy that tried to argue garchomp is shit because of ice shard?
Trying to ad hominem since you don't have an argument? Too bad I'm not. And btw, Garchomp is OU, not Ubers

>>28959088
Hoopa-U has the best form of bulk imaginable. He just kills the other faggot.
You don't take damage if the other dude is dead.

>>28959091
>A realistic approach
You mean in your wet dreams. They are never min maxed like this

>>28959075
Or it could literally just have 100/100/100/140/100/140 which is absolutely ridiculously.
Wow, it's almost like 680 BST is massive

>>28959119
Please find me a legendary that has 100/100/100 bulk with 140 Spe instead of talking with your ass

>>28959119
If those are its stats, it's doomed to be screwed by Foul Play.

>>28959115
Dude, I think you are genuinely retarded. That is nearly the exact same values as Dialga placed differently.

>>28958990
It's part Psychic bby

>>28958994
You have to switch into it. You. Have. To. Switch. Into. It.

Yes, Yveltal will counter it. But shit in Ubers counters other shit in Ubers. Primal Groudon is the best Pokemon in Ubers, and Xerneas is still incredibly powerful despite being stopped nearly dead in its tracks by Primal Groudon.

Darkrai will be able to switch into this thing all of once assuming you just spam Moongeist Beam. None of the other ones listed can switch in. Darkrai (who is much better pressing Dark Void right now if you weren't a retard) presses Dark Pulse, they switch, and now Darkrai stops being a counter.

Pokemon is not a game where both mons come in at the same time and 1v1 fight. Every single retard that knows nothing about the game and spews calcs out their ass gets this wrong. You have to switch in, tank 1-2 hits (depending on speed/prio), then go for the KO assuming they don't switch (if the button you pressed isn't Pursuit, you can't really do anything about that last part, not like Yveltal learns it). It's not about Multiscale or Mold Breaker, they're just added bonuses to a probably 150 SpA mon with 100 BP STAB Ghost move that's ridiculously hard to switch into, and pretty much mandates Yveltal, Arceus, Ho-oh, POgre, or max SpD PDon to tank.


This thing probably isn't going to be A rank due to its checks and counters being S/A rank Ubers themselves, but it's not going to even be close to the same league of how bad Reshiram and friends are. Ghost is just too good of a typing, Moongeist beam too good of a move, and Multiscale too good of an ability for it to happen. Stay delusional, friend.

>>28959137
Mewtwo X
Lugia is pretty fucking Close

>>28959115
Go check Reshiram's stats. The distribution is different, but the general idea is there.

>>28959143
No, I think you are the retarded one. They are not going to give 140 Spe on a bulky pokemon with high offensive stats.

>Dialga
90 Spe

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>>28959137
Here you go same bst stats
Similar if not better in some cases

>>28959152
Thanks for proving my point. Mewtwo X is a mega with 780 BST and still can't manage to get 140 Spe with 100/100/100.

>>28959115
uh, yeah they are lad.
>palkia
90/120/100/150/120/100
>kyogre
100/100/90/150/140/90
>mewtwo
106/110/90/154/90/130
And so on. Check yourself.

>>28959162
>Lugia
106/90/130/90/154/110
>110 speed on something bulky!!!!!!

Also no one said 140 speed, 120

>>28959162
GameFreak can do anything it fucking pleases.

100/90/100/145/125/120 and other variations are within 680BST, meaning they are definitely possible for a box legendary.

>>28959162
>They are not going to give 140 Spe on a bulky pokemon with high offensive stats.

It's almost like this is a cover legendary with 680 BST to work with. All that BST has to go somewhere.

Again, Dialga has nearly all the same exact values that guy listed, just in different stats.

They DO minmax hard for legendaries. They've done it before.
It just so happens that when a pokemon has 680 BST, they can be fast, bulky and hit hard as shit.

100/100/80/160/120/120 is incredibly realistic for Lunaala. I have no idea what this dude is talking about. He acts like this thing is some Leavanny tier shitbug or something

>>28958098
I remember "hahaha it will be NU with rocks around" was said for Talonflame before release.

>>28959161
>Reshiram
90 Spe

>>28959168
>Ho-oh
90 Spe

>>28959181
>Palkia and Kyogre
Check the speed you retard

>Mewtwo
>90/90 def and still 130 Spe.

>Lugia
Yes, we all know how hard Lugia OHKOs the rest of the uber pokemons

>>28959197
>GameFreak can do anything it fucking pleases.
They can, but in 6 generations they haven't done what most of you are claiming lunaala is going to have: a bulky fast offensive wallbreaker, all in one

>>28959218
no stat below 90 tho, name a box legend with a stat below 90. I'll wait.

>>28959218
>80 def

Enjoy getting OHKO more easily by shadow sneak, pursuit, sucker punch and the likes

>>28959225
We've gotten like 3 680 bst legends above 100 speed at all. It's gonna happen sometime.

>>28959227
Wow, now it's 100/100/90/150/120/120. Big difference.

>>28959218
Leavanny is actually usable though, why not use Ledian or Dustox as an example

>>28959218
I can see them just doing what they did with Xerneas and Yveltal, high HP and assorted good/great stats everywhere else

>>28959240
It's a feminine pokemon. It's the norm for them to have low defense, high special defense.

>>28959225
>They can, but in 6 generations they haven't done what most of you are claiming lunaala is going to have: a bulky fast offensive wallbreaker, all in one

Arceus is a bit cheating, but Xerneas also fits this bill.

Inb4 "99 Spe" in a thread literally discussing Smogon Ubers.

>>28959255
I can't see HP on lunala at all. It's a spooky skeleton, those aren't exactly known for HP (see duskull)

>>28959268
Just leave HP at some strange number hovering over 90 then

>>28959268
Compare it to the only other Ghost legendaries.
Giratina has 150 HP and Ghost Arceus has 120.
Legendaries don't care about the usual type rules.
Lunaala will probably be the only ghost type outside of Jellicent with recovery.

>>28959261
>Xerneas also fits this bill
95/98 resistances though. And it's offensive stats are lower than some of its counterparts from other generations because of that (I'm not saying he's not broken, he is thanks to his typing, ability and geomancy). GF can't and won't min max like we all want

>>28959283
>Giratina has 150 HP and Ghost Arceus has 120.
Giratina looks fat and strong though. And Arceus is god

>>28959287
But, they're not afraid of moving from the norm to give us something a little different

>>28959287
They don't even have to min max hard. The Ubers metagame has a hard enough time dealing with Ghostceus and Mgengar's ghost stab.
Ubers has very few viable options for actually dealing with strong ghost moves and Lunaala has a mold breaking 100+ BP ghost move.

>>28959287
>leaving out 126 HP
>still calling it weaker offensively despite SpA is effectively the second highest in the tier due to its ability

m8 you just have to know when to quit

>>28959300
If they did so, they wouldn't have wasted 131 Atk on Xerneas

>>28959325
>still calling it weaker offensively despite SpA is effectively the second highest in the tier due to its ability
>(I'm not saying he's not broken, he is thanks to his typing, ability and geomancy)
Learn to read you fucking inbreed

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>>28959343
>Xerneas' Attack is a waste
Now I KNOW you don't play ubers.

>>28958693
It looks exactly like a major wall in Ubers. My bet is it SpDef and HP will be massive.

It definitely doesn't look fast and it sure as shit doesn't look like its Attack will be very good so unless all of its 680 BST is going into SpA then how is it not bulky?

>>28959343
Except mixed Xerneas is actually usable thanks solely to that 131 attack

>>28959343
>If they did so, they wouldn't have wasted 131 Atk on Xerneas

KEK

>>28959343
Look up scarf Xerneas and tell me it doesn't have Megahorn, Rock Slide and Close Combat.

>>28959369
Remember that it outsped a Gengar in its trailer.

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>>28959343
>wasted 131 attack

>>28959356
Wasting points in attack on Xerneas is not the same as Xerneas' Attack is a waste. Your reading comprehension is off-limits that you even have to resort to unfunny reaction pics.

>>28959381
You use mixed Xerneas in order to adapt to its stats. If they gave Xerneas just 90 attack, they could have pumped those points in SpA making it even more unstopable after geomancy, in Spe so it doesn't have just 99, or in its defenses to make it bulkier.

>>28959413
Xerneas' Attack lets it bust through things that would otherwise wall it and or cripple it.
Xerneas is better for having that Attack stat than not having it because it lets it be very unpredictable and not be completely murdered by small set of pokemon.

I don't understand why I have to explain to you have having potent mixed potential is incredibly good on something with a movepool like Xerneas'.

>>28959471
If you gave the 51 points in attack to SpA, after a Geomancy boost, it could OHKO any of the threads that can wall it

>>28958988
Bulky ttar survives focus miss from fucking gengar in sandstorm

>>28958720
Mew has 600 bst, anon. All the mythicals, if I'm not mistaken, have 100 in each stat.

>>28958480

>Solgaleo is a lion
>it will suffer from a bad movepool like every other lion Pokémon before

>Xerneas is a deer
>it will suffer from a bad movepool like every other deer Pokémon before

>Kyogre is a fish
>it will suffer from a bad movepool like every other fish Pokémon before

> Ho-oh is a bird
>it will suffer from a bad movepool like every other bird Pokémon before

>Mewtwo is a cat
>it will suffer from a bad movepool like every other cat Pokémon before

>>28961053
>Mew has 600 bst
Mew has only x2 weakness, not x4

>>28958238
I thought Zekrom should've been OU in early gen 5.

It's a Legendary that isn't Mythical, I don't care

>>28958185
Sucker Punch is priority.

>>28961053
>>28961824
I was using it as an example for how much Foul Play would wreck Lunala. According to another /vp/oreon several months ago, a Psychic/Ghost with 100 in HP, Attack and Defense would more than likely end up OHKOed by a Foul Play. Given that everybody's saying that Lunala will have at minimum 90 for each stat, Foul Play will severely cripple it, even moreso if its Attack is higher than the other two aforementioned stats.

>>28958338
If Deoxys didnt do it Lunala sure as hell wont.

What if
>Signature move is a fairy special extreme speed

>>28958098
Heatran is fucking shit its 4x weak to Ground

>>28958098
At least Lunaala's ability is good and not a shitty one that makes you transform after taking damage in battle, just look at Zygarde.

It'll never be truly complete when its forme is just temporary.

>>28958896
Just like how Snorlax gets Slack Off.

>>28962106
Why do you think Heatran is not in ubers?

>>28958098
It's cool , we can have more legendary Pokemon in OU! (or less)

>>28958707
90/140/90/140/90/130

Possible stats at 680. That's above average?

>>28962175
Holy shit, dude. Shadow Shield or not, that thing has ZERO chance of taking a Foul Play.

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>>28962175

>>28962275
Well, it's confirmed. Lunala is going to be shit.

On the flip side, at least it's well-designed.

>>28962209
I know right, whatevers in front of it would die before that happened.

>>28958098
damn shame as well, these new box legends are the best looking box legends to date for me.

even regular absol OHKO's it with suckerpunch, first box legend to be in PU.

>>28962679
Who the fuck would attack an Absol who is GUARANTEED to carry Sucker Punch with something that is 4x weak to Dark??

>>28962275
>Not lowering the attack IV to 0
>Giving lunala ridiculous attack when it's clearly a special attacker
>Not -atk nature
Nigga you're not even trying

>>28962728
I'm just posting the results from the stats provided by another anon, stop being retarded. Of course, this is /vp/, can't expect someone with more than 2 functioning neurons

>>28958558
better stats than base metagross. and doesn't use up the mega slot and can hold an item for mega metagross. it's really not hard to work out why solgaleo is going to be better than both anon.

>>28962763
You still didn't lower its attack IV to 0 you autist

>>28962818
Do it yourself you imbecile. I could have added stealth rock, spike, hail or sandstorm damage and that would have rendered Shadow shield useless

>>28962175
I highly doubt they'll make it have even ATK and SPA, if anything it'll lean toward SPA, SPD, and SPE, while Solgaleo will lean toward ATK, DEF, and HP.

>>28958825
>>28958778
xerneas's form was never teased as a power increase or shown off before release. you're an idiot.

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>>28962700
No smart person that's for goddamn sure - I even gave the thing a bulky set and it dies in 2 hits 98% of the time from mega sableye and even non mega sableye! Granted Lunala has a 6.3% chance to OHKO the non mega sableye with moon blast and no sp atk nature/EV's - It might go into OU but I doubt it will because Tyranitar just shits all over it buuut Lunala makes a good check for mega sableye which makes me feel good and without a doubt Lunala will probably be getting a recover move, it def won't be ubers though.

>>28962874
Xerneas and Yveltal were made with 131 attack/ special attack each though

>>28962921
Sorry ignore the text in this post I was working on the calcs without editing the text, early morning for me.

>>28958920
why the fuck are you switching a pokemon 4x weak to a move into it? do you switch ferrothorn in on charizard y or breloom into talonflame?

>>28962921
It dies by 2HKO since multiscale stops working for the second hit since it doesn't have full HP anymore. OHKO if Lunaala suffered from entry hazards

>>28962968
Oh shit, true, forgot about entry hazards.

Added stealthrocks and 3 layers of spikes (Just in case some retard is stupid enough to let that happen) and it's a guaranteed 2 hit KO

>>28962968
>>28963000
However Ttar just obliterates it no matter what, Lunala is just a check for Sableye.

>>28963000
>I don't know how multiscale works
You don't even need stacked damage. As long as Lunaala has less than 100% HP, it gets 1-shot by foul play/knock off/sucker punch

>>28963026
>Mistakes aren't allowed
Fuck dude you must be fun at parties.
But you're right I did forget to lower the HP, still though anyone who sends out Lunala or even dragonite into hazards is a retard.

>>28963047
>>Mistakes aren't allowed
Mistakes are allowed, but going full sarcastic when you are wrong has its consequences.
>anyone who sends out Lunala or even dragonite into hazards is a retard.
Anyone who lets their enemy send out Lunaala, Lugia or Dragonite without setting hazards is a retard

>>28963083
>Expecting to keep SR off the field against arceus with defog

This guy

>>28963133
on the field*

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>Something being shit in Ubers means it'll be OU
Hoh boy, it's one of these threads again.

Does /vp/ just leave their Ferrothorn in versus a Heatran or something? Matchup is bad? Switch out. Ghost is a phenomenal offensive typing, only being resisted by Dark and Normal. There are few of those that run around in Ubers.

>>28963133
This guy knows what's up.
>>28963083
Going full sarcastic? Motherfucker you are delusional, go back to /r/eddit.

>>28963133
We can argue all day about defog removing all the entry hazards, or outsmarting the enemy with switch outs and ins. But if you believe you can keep 100% entry hazards from your Lunaala you are either delusional or playing in 1000 ELO

>>28963157
You should be the one going back to /r/eddit, since you seem to belong there more than any of us here

>>28963156
The problem is the common response of "just switch out" no longer applies since its may have to eat a x4 pursuit.

>>28963213
Getting absolutely assrammed by pursuits don't stop any of the billion psychic ubers from being good.

>>28963213
The only Pokémon used in Ubers that commonly carries Pursuit is not common in Ubers.

>>28963224
None of the billion psychic ubers have a secondary ghost typing

>>28963231
All of them die to a pursuit regardless. Pokemon get OHKO regardless of 4x weaknesses.

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>>28963225
Here's the proof: a whopping two percent.

>>28963224
Yeah and none of them take 4x damage from it either.

>>28963225
The main point is, you can't use "just switch out" anymore as your go to answer. Either way, if Luna gets big, you bet your ass TTar will be there.

>>28963251
Well, if they add Lunale, there might be more mons carrying pursuit since it completely destroys 1 of the enemy pokemon

>>28958480
Swoobat and Crobat are known for being exceptionally fast, so it is safe to assume that Lunaala will be +110 speed.
>Invert that friend, solgaleo is going to be OU.
Nope, Solgaleo is already shown to be bulky tank with ass raping attack. Not to mention that its more than likely to get a recovery move (Morning Sun) and is immune to poison. Superpower, Earthquake, Stone edge, some random fire attack, and Zen-headbutt are all givens at this point. No doubt that it will be in Ubers

>>28963284
And GeoXern gets fucked by Bronzong but you don't see it dominating the format.

Like holy shit, Scizor sometimes carries Pursuit which OHKOs Mega Gardevoir in the switch, I guess Mega Gardevoir is fucking useless now. Not every Ubers team can afford to carry Pursuit because it's such a niche move and nothing can afford to give up a slot. Tyranitar does not cut it in Ubers. It will not see an increase in usage to counter one Pokémon.

The existence of one move doesn't make Pokémon automatically NU.

>>28963397
>Not every Ubers team can afford to carry Pursuit because it's such a niche move and nothing can afford to give up a slot
>Can't afford to give up a slot to cripple 1 out of 6 pokemons from the enemy

>>28963467
Can you even read?

>>28958156
Yeah I don't think multi scale is gonna save this thing. I predict UU at the most.

>>28964333
>UU at most
This is why /vp/ shouldn't be taken seriously.

>>28963284
>>28963250

>it will be so shit it will force the other person to run a counter for it so their team doesn't get raped
Really makes you think.

>>28963397
>Like holy shit, Scizor sometimes carries Pursuit which OHKOs Mega Gardevoir in the switch
Who in the right mind would even switch a Gardevoir into a Scizor?

>>28964877
He meant switch out I assume.

>>28964877
You're just being retarded on purpose at this point.
The discussion is Pursuit fucking over Lunaala.
Pursuit fucks Mega Gardevoir, so with the logic of the retards ITT Mega Gardevoir is shit and NU material because it can't switch out of its counter.
Lunaala will not be shit because of a niche move that Uber Pokémon really cannot afford to run.

>>28964367
This is the board that thought fucking Landorus-I is balanced because Snorunt used Frost Breath xD

>>28965004
The general consensus is shit, but at least on average you'll find a small handful of knowledgeable anons

If you're lucky you'll find someone who not only knows what they're talking about, but actually introduces another perspective to the discussion

>>28965004
>xD
>>>/out/