Debate thread

>>28816021
They are fake.

>>28816021
>More likely to be real or fake?
Fake. Riddler getting BTFO just proves that.

>>28816021
They are fake.

>>28816021
The leaker KNEW mallow was in the game and decided to draw his own designs to fool us! He also happens to be a professional and his designs blow anything any fan artists have drawn out of the water. Weird coincidence, but it makes for a crazy good fake!!

>>28816021
I want to believe they're fake, but the Mallow thing makes me think they're real considering she wasn't revealed when the image was first posted.

Fuck the riddler though, he's vague, full of shit and should commit sudoku

>>28816021
THEY ARE FAKE AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LEAKFAGS ON SUCIDE WATCH AHAHAHAHHAHA

>>28816090
You are truly an inspiration. Tell us, how do you go on living with such intense autism?

>>28816021
Evidence of them being REAL
>Mallow
Things that hint at them being REAL
>a couple of probably legit leakers
>fit perfectly the current design philosophy
>Popplio learns Disarming Voice
Thins that hint at them being FAKE
>Ash's hat in the anime is a little different
Evidence of them being FAKE
>nothing so far

>>28816021
is real

>>28816133
Why are people like you with aspergers allowed on the internet?

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>>28816143

>>28816143
Ash's hat is on shaky ground even as a hint considering that the hat's design has been changed in the past even after being revealed as official art.

Not to mention the concept art was most likely made as a reference by the game people for the anime people, the game people would have had no way of knowing ash's final design, and ash not being the focus of the reference work would put his details at an extremely low priority for the artist drawing the piece.

All that combined gimps the hat's importance as evidence pretty hard.

>>28816052
When did he get BTFO'd?

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They're so obviously real. Anyone who screams fake just because they dislike the designs doesn't understand how Pokemon evolution, especially the starters, are designed.

If you look at any fan art of what people speculated the final evolutions of any of the starters would look like, the fan artists always just draw a bigger, cooler looking version of the original form. Gamefreak there are exceptions, of course, but i'm talking about the majority don't like this, and instead usually try to incorporate a flowing theme between the three forms rather than make them look similar.

If you look at these fan art images of final evolutions for the Gen 6 starters, even when the artist had the information of what the second forms looked like, they still did exactly what I said they always do. They're just bigger versions of the last form with more detail. (I do actually really like how the "Greninja" equivalent here looks and wouldn't have been upset with it)

Instead of what we had here, GF decided to run with, for example with the Froakie line, the pokemon becoming more and more ninja like, instead of making it a bigger more powerful frog. For whatever reason, they decided to get rid of the keromousse around the neck and replace it with a tongue, probably because it looked cooler and let them add in another thing to really express the fact that it's a frog. To compensate for this, they added the white that was there before to the side of Greninja's face.

Now if you look at Popplios final evolution, the little "ribbon", for lack of better words, around Popplios neck has become incorporated into the full design to imitate a dress. The white on Popplio's nose has taken over most of its body, with the blue moving down to its lower half. This recurring theme of just taking features from the older evolutions in the line and not just making them bigger is true for each of the other starter final evo's in the leaks too. I could seriously write an essay on this.

>>28816052
>riddler btfo
>got info today
???

>>28816143
Don't forget the latest promotion for thegame being from a red and black styled wrestler. It's one hell of a coincidence at the least.

>>28816135
>not knowing b8 this obvious

>>28816143
Evidence of them being REAL
>Nothing
Things that hint at them being REAL
>Nothing
Things that hint at them being FAKE
>Everything
Evidence of them being FAKE
>Everything
>They look like Deviantart OC Sonic rejects
>The artist is autistic and should kill himself

TL;DR: Fake af

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>>28816052
>Riddler getting BTFO just proves that

Huh

I'm sorry, but what exactly happened that I'm unaware of? Or is this just "le epic ruse"?

>>28816292
>I know how Gamefreak designs Boogeymanz
Kill yourself.
Didn't read.

>>28816316
Riddler said word for word yesterday that Ash-Greninja would be "revealed tomorrow". What we got instead has nothing to do with Ash-Greninja.

>>28816325
how was school today anon

>>28816275
>>28816230
I agree, but I really didn't know what else to put on the fake side.

>>28816329
I'm looking at riddler's post, it doesn't say anything about ash-greninja.

>>28816329
Source?

>>28816354
His ass

>>28816329
Bullshit, that's not what the post says.

>>28816329

As far as I know, the day isn't over yet. I'd rather we wait by the end of the day or until tomorrow rather than jump into conclusions.

And I'm the kind of shit who wants him to be disproved.

>>28816021
If I say they're fake I'll trigger some people in particular, so I'd rather not say anything.

>mallow
>rugby monkey
>sea cucumber
>mushroom
Etc
The only people who believe they're fake are the people who can't keep track of what was part of this specific leak, and people who are retarded.

>>28816376
No, they're just people who don't like the designs and have to scream and cry because they don't know how else to channel their emotions. The rest of us can just be smug and enjoy our new bro's while they stress themselves out every day waiting for a miracle to happen. Same shit happens every time leading up to the new game release, I feel bad for them.

>>28816368
But he never said shit about ash-greninja!

>>28816390
So what you're saying is that they are retards

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>>28816329
What?

>>28816390
Found the salty leakfag.
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHHAH
BELIEVE THAT AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHGHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>28816376
>Generic Hawaiian girl
>Football Lemur
>Generic
>Generic

>>28816390
>he don't understand the concept of meme magic
We will magic these abominations out of existence, and you will suffer as we get the last laugh at the end.

>>28816325
You should consider sudoku anon, >>28816292 actually did his research and had a valid point, whereas you're fucking autistic

I like OwlArcher the most, but hate that fucking mermaid shit. Ugliest water starter yet, at least Piplup looked retarded but became empoleon.

If Fire Tiger is Fire/Fighting then it's going into the trash. If not, then it's great.

I would more than okay if these are real, which all the evidence seems to be pointing towards. I REALLY want the split final evos rumor to be correct though as well. For something new, at least.

>>28816349
The problem for the fake side of the argument is there's nothing concrete to latch onto to debunk the starter leaks. They leaked in a vacuum making no claims beyond these are what the starters will look like and have mallow in them to corroborate that claim. Other leaks make huge lists of claims so it's fairly easy to debunk them as they get more and more things wrong and they die a death of a thousand cuts.

At this point the only ways to debunk these leaks is to either provide hard evidence that they're a sham or have gamefreak either confirm or deny them once and for all. the former is a tall order and the latter simply won't happen till the game is pirated or released.

>>28816420
>lolololololthey faked the way gf designs starters
>must be 100% real xdddddddddddddd
You both should kill yourselves.

>>28816420
No worries anon, I want to become a concept artist so I really enjoy trying to understand how things like this work. If people want to disregard it then it doesn't hurt me in the slightest, I just find it an interesting topic.

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>>28816021
Anyone else hopeful that the water starter is half ice?

Even if fairy would be a way better typing and more likely, it would be kind of nice for once to have a water/ice starter.

>>28816376
I have seen a few denialbros here and there.
I think not throwing a shitfit is a good way of passing unnoticied.

>>28816458
Indeed, the leaks will be confirmed or debunked when the time comes, if only because there is fucking nothing linked to them.

>>28816468
At no point did I say they were 100% real, but the anon made a good point. It's not my fault you're too autistic to come up with a good counter argument and resort to "le kill yourself xdddd that'll show them"

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You're all being played for fools

Riddler practically has you all eating out of his hands

>>28816482
You're off to a good start, anon. The other guy is obviously baiting and fishing for (You)s

>>28816506
I had my hopes up with Piplup and instead they decided to make him part steel for some reason.

>>28816301
this

>>28816313
What's it like being so fucking dense you have your own gravitational pull?

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>>28816313

>>28816419
You're more likely to meme yourself out of existence before the starters.

>>28816506
Why on earth would you wish for that awful typing on a starter? Even mono-water would be better.

>>28816021
I want them to be real so bad Mostly just Robinhoot though ...
but we can't know for sure until the official announcements so anyone "confirming" they're real or fake is autistic.

>>28816021
This whole thread is the same cringey shit as the last two thread with leaks that were completely true and later confirmed. When they are fake, they are proven fake way faster than the +month they've been around.

Tell you what, go make a few Twitter accounts and post balio at Masuda, then Popmaid from the other. Tell me which Twitter account gets blocked. We already know the answer, you don't.

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>>28816021
You know, while I don't care for the designs, at least I can admit they are 100% real and from GF. I know people are still hoping for split evos or these being "old concepts" not a chance of either of those though but denying that these are real is just ridiculous at this point

>>28816604
Both, because both are shit fakemon that get spammed at them.

>>28816617
so, is posted on /vp/ and is not received the C&D

>>28816654

ebin

>>28816560
We all have our own gravitational pulls, retard.

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>>28816659
>so, is posted on /vp/ and is not received the C&D

>>28816512
Well, we have come to face Newton's laser sword, no one here can prove any claims about the absolute veracity of the leaks, debating about them is really useless.

We can at most discuss them and compile lists of arguments.

>>28816604
>Tell you what, go make a few Twitter accounts and post balio at Masuda, then Popmaid from the other

Some dudes already did that

two were insistent on Poppmaid's side (like really insistent) and ended up blocked because they'd keep pestering, I heard they were unblocked though

some other dude posted ballio and friends (not sure which image) and didn't get blocked (although I'm not sure how insistent that person was or whether it was a simple nod)

this was some time back

>>28816654
False. Claim it is fanart for both. Only one will get blocked. Go on. Try it.

>>28816586
Confirmed real is more or less a meme at this point and I agree nothing is confirmed till we hear it from an official source . That said there's compelling evidence and an ever mounting number of coincidences that suggest the leaked art is likely what we'll be getting.

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>>28816021
Consider this, denialfags.
If they were indeed fake, the faker at least would've tried to make them look HQ. To me, the quality of the image only makes sense if they were indeed leaked.

>>28816844
For me, aside from Mallow what made me feel it was real was that it's a reference page instead of just the design. How they act, explaining design elements, a lot of details that a regular fakemon maker wouldn't bother with.

>>28816292
The fact what you're saying is pretty much 100% correct about the fanart and Game Freak's ways only make my hope that Entermaid is real stronger. For the love of god the only thing I want is for that thing to be real.

>>28816021
There is no debate, they are confirmed

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>It's a thinly veiled denial/leak thread
bite me

>>28817055
What veil are you talking about.

>>28817055
""""Thinly"""" veiled

>>28816090
>and his designs blow anything any fan artists have drawn out of the water.
pffffffffffffffffAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

>>28816316
Its ruse,the leaker said we would get news and we got a new move and information on Z-rings and Z-stones but the denial fags are delusional and say this is irrelevant

>>28816313
>implying not all artists are autistic.

So far nothing is confirmed by nintendo or gamefreak.
We can only guess they are legit because of mallow and the anime like reference sheet.
To be honest luchalitten looks shit, so I won't mind if it would been fake or replaced with a better design even if it kept the wrestler theme.
popiliomaid looks pretty but for me to girly.
thou I won't mind if it remained that way.
robinhoot looks just dandy as fuck
10/10 bromon.

>>28816021

They are beta art, subject to change, proportions and details not final. Concept probably is though.

>>28817135

I don't see what's so funny because he's right.

>>28817173
well we did got a name for the move of exeggutor.
dragon hammer.
other than that nada.

>>28816143
/thread

>>28817238
I can only hope for luchalitten.

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>>28817283
Well that's still news, which riddler did say. Didn't specify on what
>>28817225
>Looks dandy as fuck
Holy shit anon you made me wanna call my Robinroot Dandy now, btw great taste mah nigga

>>28817261
He's implying LuchaLitten is actually good in any way shape or form and that's hilarious.

Also, be less blatant with your samefag

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>>28817084
>>28817105
Throwing the guise of a """"""debate"""""" is fucking insulting at this point with everything being a shitpost or strawman.

I'm more tired of this shit than anything else and we still have two months of this

>>28817382

That was my first post in this thread.

>>28816546
Steel didn't make much sense, even if it was pretty cool. It's a penguin ffs, they're all chilly af.
>>28816576
Because flavor.

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>>28816468
Impartialfags are the biggest faggots of all, please murder yourself.

>>28817416
>Jontron
how's middle school anon?

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Sun and Moon leaks, trust me if you want:

-Minior evolution is Hokulele, what means shooting star in hawaiian.

-Marshadow "special type combination" is type "Null", like normal type but with unknown alterations. Type: Null is an artificial Pokémon created for the purpose of research the unique type "Null".

-New snowman Pokémon and an humainoid with a ring of flowers in his waist (Comfey evolution).

-Lusamine is UB 02 Beauty.
-Gladion is UB 02 Expansion.

-Marshadow is not the third legendary.

-Third legendary based in Aristotle, yes, chinese leaks are real.

-Komala evolution is a giant koala with a giant trunk with roots.

-Final Jangmo-o evolution is Dragon/Fighting.

-For finish, Tapu names: Tapu Koko, Tapu Octus, Tapu Hoohiki, Tapu Pouli.

>>28817649
Kill yourself at your earliest convenience

>>28817649
>Tapu Octus
>Copying stuff from other leaks
>Hokulele was that nickname of a minior in a trailer
FAKE
AND
GAY
anyways here's your (You) for the effort

>>28817649
>>>/out/

>>28817737
BUT GAY IS (You) AND 4U4U4U

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>>28817649
>humainoid with a ring of flowers in his waist (Comfey evolution).

>>28816143
>>fit perfectly the current design philosophy
I'll agree with everything in this post except this. What design philosophy are u talking about?

>>28817649
>Minior evolution is Hokulele, what means shooting star in hawaiian.
Stopped reading after this.

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>>28817608
Not bad, kettle

>>28817905
0/8

>>28817905
>his
can be male too

>>28817905
Es fake no mallow
Put me in the screencap if anybody is doin it

>>28817974
The idea being that Gamefreak doesn't make starters that are just bigger versions of the previous evolution for starters, they change drastically from one form to the next, like with Chespin to Quilladin or Oshawott to Dewott etc.

Daily reminder that denialfags DO NOT exist, it's only a bunch of losers trying to trigger the rest of us

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>>28816143
>Ash's hat in the anime is a little different

It literally looks the same as the leaked images here in pic related though

>>28820767

Q U A L I T Y
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>>28820611
replace denialfags with leakfags.

>>28816230
Cause that's a leaked fanart, totally not official

>>28816230
that's 2006

>>28816329
>Thinking the chink girl is the leaker
The smogonette is just the translator, fuccboi.

>>28816506
Water/Ice isn't very good unless you're fast or Cloyster.

>>28816329
I KNEW this would happen. Fuck the OP of the last thread for not making a text version of the video in the OP