Pokemon TCG/O General Ded Thread Edition

>>28659158
>TotT: How long will the update maintenance will take?
When does it start?
Also, this thread will be gone soon.

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I haven't experienced any maintenence, I was on this morning.

Anyway, deck r8?

>>28659158
TotT as long as Zach wants it :^)

And also the new trailers lol, looks like the Chinese leaks are legit

>playing bunch of scizor at beginning of new rotation
>people catch on scizor is good
>bunch of fire decks surface out just to counter scizor because muh fire weakness
>build a rainbow force deck
>win easy

Like pottery.

oh hey they must have fixed ninja boy i can use volcanion deck in theme now

>>28659958
>Make a trashy meme deck with mew ex and Shedinja
>pretty good against other trash/rouge decks
>Played against a flareon volcanion ex deck and won
pretty good famalam

there is something about pulling the buddy buddy rescue + pokepuff combo that makes the thing so enjoyable

feels like you're taking the opponent's spot to give you the win

>>28659366
all the different version of the same cards is an eyesore. Other than that, maxing out the DDE if you ever expect to have it when you need it might be wise. And the VS Seeker too. I'd cut the Fan Club (although I get your reasoning), plus one stadium to make room.

page five

>>28659158
Will get pick related tomorrow unless they don't deliver it for the release date, can't fucking wait. Going to play my first live ptcg games with my brother.

what dragon deck can I make for KO challenges?

>>28662097
Using a dragon that actually can KO stuff :^)

>>28654637
This thing lists Roaring Skies as 1.25 and Steam Siege as 1.0, but you can easily trade a Roaring Skies for 2 Steam Siege (as in, people put up trades offering 2x Steam Siege for a Roaring Skies). By putting up a trade I've even managed to get 3 Steam Sieges for a Roaring Skies, but that's probably not a consistent value.

Should I build mega gardevoir or scizor?

>>28662494
That list is outdated.

Though the relative value of the cards varies depending on the rarity of the card you are trading for.

ie

Shaymin EX is "rare" and its worth 22 RS or 44 SS
That leaves the RS to SS ratio at 1:2


Mega Mewtwo EX FA is "common" and its worth 6RS or 10SS
That leaves the RS to SS ratio at 1:1.5


When trading for common cards the RS to SS ratio is around 2:3
When trading for rare cards the RS to SS ratios is around 1:2


Thats why its better to get common cards using the latest set as currency and rare cards using RS as currency.

So I just bought a generations bundle at Target, 2 generations packs + Victini card.

What's the price range for generations boosters? Or is it better to open it up?

>>28662722
Not much, only main good card is the jolteon but even then it should be worth like a normal booster pack

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Went to league challenge this past weekend. Mah boi with his Mega Mewtwo deck went undefeated, I went 1-3 with a Mega Gardevoir deck. I lost to a mill deck and got super salty. Might switch myself over to Greninja Break.

>>28663125
If you have the money, switch to mega scizor or rainbow meme.

Rainbow meme is pretty good against every mega deck minus scizor and scizor is even in every matchup if not better BUT volcanion.

>>28662546
Mega Gardevoir but I'm biased. They're both cool decks.
>>28661136
Thanks for the advice. I agree about the different versions, I'm working on it right now. It's also my irl deck in which all the cards are the same
except for one Gardevoir and one Shaymin.

>>28663125
>Literally some trash tier league if the champion is some underage b& using mewtwo
>Gayming keyboard behind the glass
Top cuck famalam

>>28663223
>implying Mega Mewtwo isnt BDIF

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Should I regret this?

>>28663387
Idk maybe

>>28663312
>M Mewtwo BDIF
Maybe if it wasn't weak against psy

>>28663457
>Maybe if it wasn't weak against psy
Every deck has a weakness.

That doesnt mean M Mewtwo isnst the best deck right now.

>>28663504
>M Mewtwo best deck

Nah. The deck is ruined by so many things

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>>28663563
Yeah... sure...

Out of every current tiered deck M Mewtwo is the most consistant and its the deck that has the less ammount of weak points.

>>28663504
There's no real "best" deck right now.
M-Mew is just the most braindead to win with, and it loses to Gard pretty hard.

It'll run train until shit like evolutions and the new S/M series introduces more ridiculous shit.

>>28663765
Evolutions set is already leaked and there arent any good cards in it except a select few, even then theres is nothing too amazing that will change the meta so so M Mewtwo will remain the best at least till SM1 releases and thats 5 months from now.

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>>28663742

>posting win rates from the client

completely pointless as it's broken

>>28663822
We're a few weeks into the rotation, I'm hesitant to call mewtwo king until a major tournament has only mega mew2s. It's good and really brain dead but I'm hesitant to call it king. I honestly have hopes for rainbow road since it can trade for prizes REALLY easy but I'm not quite sure how to make it consistent yet other than with megas.

Even night march wasn't the win all deck and it was the easiest cheapest deck to build too.

>>28663971
Rainbow Road is good, but its too inconsistant and easily fucked by Parallel City and Lysandres since Xerneas only has 130HP and can easily be 1HKOd.


I think Mega Mewtwo is the best, followed by XerneasBREAK - Giratina and Mega Scizor.

>buy 4 ariados for a steam siege
>sell them for a roaring skys
thanks whoever posted about ariados

>>28664666
LOL

>>28663971
>Even night march wasn't the win all deck
Tournament results say otherwise.

Fortunately there doesn't seem to be an equivalent in the new format. This is the healthiest Standard format we've had in awhile.

Also, like mentioned, there's no point in declaring anything to be "BDIF" until we see tournament results. Everyone has different opinions about what deck is best or better than others but its just an opinion and opinions aren't as helpful as raw data.

>>28664869
did i mess up i thought roaring skies was worth more?

>>28663742
>He posted it again

>>28665061
LOL

>>28665125
stay mad poorfag

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>>28665198
At least you admit the only reason you post the screenshot of the deck at least twice per thread is because you think your full arts make you look like a better player than you actually are.

Also, hard to call someone a poorfag when we're talking about PTCGO. Post your IRL deck, faggot, and then you can brag.

Guys I finally saved up enough packs from tourny wins to get a shaymeme-ex. About 51 packs, mixed bunch.

Hopefully it will allow me to have more consistency in my decks. Fewer 1st round exits if god wills it.

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This is my current Volcanion deck
Built it after auto losing to it with Mega Scizor
How's the matchup against Mega Mewtwo?
Any tips on how to improve the deck?

>>28665295
>playing IRL

Also your posts really show how salty you are about it.

>>28665295
i think he posts it a bit more than twice a thread

trade locked packs are the worst

>>28664948
>Ex and Mega ex heavy format
>Healthy standard
Seek help

>>28665332
Remove a shaymin and add a Flareon-EX


Also why would you play Energy Retrieval instead of Fisherman?
Same card except Fisherman allows you to get back 4 energy instead of 2.
Pokemon Ranger is not needed.
Olympia is not needed.
You need Float Stones
Escape Rope is better than switch and you shouldnt play both.
You need trainers mail.

>How's the matchup against Mega Mewtwo?

You pretty much lose the matchup once they set up Garbodor

>>28665295
Post your tcgo deck.

>>28665198
Why should I? The only thing that I'm missing are the N's and the new one is cool enough to replace it for the moment. I'm just saying that what is the point of showing the deck list if you where replying to a win rate reply, that's sad

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>>28663742
>Still using the generic elite sleeves

>>28665475
What's unhealthy about that, friend?

>>28665528
Not him but
>why would you play an item card that's a net +1 you can play as many of per turn instead of wasting your supporter for the turn on something that's not always live since you can get it early and only have 2-3 energy in the discard
>pokemon ranger is not needed when people are still running around with Jolteon-EX/Mew and Regice
I'll agree about trainer's mail and float stones over Olympia though.

>>28665589
because there are many variations of the mega mewtwo deck
there are a lot of people that play without garbodor
people that play it with zoroark, or weavile or zebstrika etc

there is no point in showing winrate if you dont specify what kind of list are you running.

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Anyone been able to get the Keldeo Rayquaza decks early? Been to 2 walmarts and 1 card shop and none of them even had it,

>>28665634
Energy Retrieval can only be used once and gives you enough energy to boost 2 Volcanion EX.

Fisherman gives you enough energy to boost the 4 Volcanions and can be reused with VS Seeker.


In the last 80 matches Ive seen only one Jolteon-EX, running Ranger for that seems stupid.
Regice can be 1HKOd by Baby Volcanion.

>Vs Seeker is still at 14 bucks a card.

I wonder how long it'll take for the price to drop due to the Battle Arena decks...

>>28665760
>he thinks the price will drop due to the Battle Arena decks

>>28665725
Its supposed to come out tomorrow, none at the target near me, but it looks like they're following the official release date this time

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>>28665423
Yeah, you're right, I'm pretty salty, good thing I have this box of tissues nearby to wash my tears with.

>>28665795
I bet you masturbate to the sight of shaymin famalam

>he only has 3

>>28665747
So why cut the energy retrieval for Fisherman when you can run both and boost 6 volcanion EXes across a few turns?

>In the last 80 matches Ive seen only one Jolteon-EX
And at my locals there are at least four different Jolteon players I personally know in a given ~16-24 person tournament.

>>28665824
>not masturbating to ojou loli shaymin

>>28665848
You cant compare your local meta with the online game meta.

Jolteon-EX is nowhere to be seen in the online meta. Barely anyone uses it and having a Pokemon Ranger in your deck just for Jolteon-EX in the online game is dumb as shit.

>>28665795
I bet you are fat.

>>28665795
>no pro-fit

>>28665332
I don't understand Volcano decks without Flareon. Do people actually attack with Volcano-EX? He's such a bad attacker.

>>28665957
You could rangers so he can attack again :^)

>>28665910
6'1'' 184lb come at me bro

>>28665929
>double-sleeving

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Anyone willing to do this trade? It's up on public trades if you want it.

>They banned the wrong Lysander :(

I got old pokemon cards. Like the original Blastoise and Venusaur. Are they worth anything? Can I use those to start playing?

>>28666020
Nobody wants mom's centipede famalam

>>28666051
>Are they worth anything?
No.
>Can I use those to start playing?
No.

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Should I open those?

I just got my Super Premium Collection.

What does the code card give you?

>>28666040
Git gud

>>28666051
Maybe to some collector or some genwunners

>>28665883
>Masturbating to some garden hedgehog

>>28666093
What are those even worth like in packs?

>>28666093
trade them

>>28666056
Well I do, I'm offering 4 packs for it. The right side is MY offer.

>>28666064
>>Can I use those to start playing?
>No.
;_;

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>>28665795
I upgraded the Skyla, thought you´d like to know.

>>28665957
Flareon is a bad and inefficient card.

>>28666156
>no gold Ultra Ball
LOL

Trying to run the Xerneas meme using a deck linked from charizardlounge but I don't have that fucking jirachi. Any suggestions?

Pokemon:
4 Xerneas
2 Joltik
2 Galvantula
1 Jirachi
1 Hoopa-EX
2 Shaymin-EX
1 Umbreon-EX
2 Volcanion-EX
1 Flygon-EX

Trainers:
3 Max Elixir
1 Super Rod
1 Switch
4 Trainers Mail
4 Ultra Ball
4 VS Seeker
2 Lysandre
2 N
1 Ninja Boy
4 Professor Sycamore
2 Skyfield
2 Exp. Share
2 Float Stone

>>28666134
Just buy a theme deck senpai

>>28665795
>pokemon players thinking 3 shaymin is expensive

Come back when you have some cards worth $500+

>>28666051
lel no you can't use them, especially with the power creep

>>28666166
Im just making a 25 SS profit per day, it will take a while to get a playset of SR UB.

>>28666128
No idea, got them in a random trade the other day from a guy who doesn't play online.

>>28666156
That Skyla's a downgrade, m8.

>>28666205
Cool stuff man

>>28666157
Now that I look at baby volcano, I suppose that's true. The attack does 10 less damage for the same energy, but he doesn't give out two prizes. Kind of sucks that he can never one shot a mega, though whereas Flareon has the capability.
There's also some merit to Flareon's ability, but probably not enough to warrant it over baby Volcanian.

>be in a pretty bad spot in theme tournament
>start cycling through my deck
>opponent concedes
why

>>28666156
wasnt that skyla a ladder reward idk even if it wasnt i think the other looks better

>>28666239
>>28666318

New Skyla has a cute butt, but old Skyla brings luck.

>>28666156
>Smaller boobs and ass
>Upgrade

cute skyla > slut skyla

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>>28666609

>>28666665
you were close

>>28666332
>Random cards I've never seen or cared about
ok

>>28666332
okay?
>>28666609
both skylas are good!

>>28666239
>>28666318
Skyla BC is worth 15 times more than Skyla BP at the least

>>28666156
>Not using boobla
Just work on getting better sleeves famalam ;)

>>28666942
>getting sleeves that are worth more than 4 SR UB instead of getting 4 SR UB

>>28667027
Then get those, I ain't stopping you

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>>28666934
>caring about value when one is objectively better than the other

It's just older, that's all. But it's definitely a direct downgrade. Raw value doesn't really mean anything in PTCGO.

>>28667067
>Raw value doesn't really mean anything in PTCGO.
You know you can sell the cards online, right? I've made at least 100$ off this game.

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>open roaring skies
>get this
JUST

>>28659158
when did this whole duel deck meme start anyway ???

>>28667144
2014.

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>>28667138

>>28667114
Not the guy you're replying to, but selling online/virtual goods on Ebay is against TOS.

If someone scams you, you have 0 protection.

>>28667067
>Raw value doesn't really mean anything in PTCGO.
t. poorfag
post your srubs you don't use

>>28665791

It's entirely possible. Didn't the prices of some cards drop due to the Darkrai Vs Mewtwo decks?

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>>28667208
They're both full arts, the BC one is just objectively worse-looking than the BP one. I'm sorry you wasted packs to obtain a worse-looking card, anon.

>>28667208
Show me the srubs in your memetwo deck :^)

>The Battle Arena Decks for this year is actually good

I wonder if I should actually get two of those

>>28667319

Some did, but VS Seeker is still basically a 4 of in every deck and it isn't a "proper mass reprint" like Pokemon Catcher and Ultra Ball in Plasma Blast

>>28667340
Skyla BC is worth 15 times more than Skyla BP at the least

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>No Jolteon-EX pull
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>28667391
Since you're just repeating yourself I'll redirect you to my post and save my clipboard the trouble
>>28667340

>>28667404
>Generations pack
Your fault for falling for the meme

>>28667431
Then since you're doing the same, I'll redirect you to my response
>>28667208

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>>28667449
It's awful.

At least I got a nice Victini pin.

Is there anything at all that Despair Ray M-Gardevoir can tech in so as to not autolose to M-Scizor?

>>28667201
That's why you get the money first ez.

>>28667478
Thanks for at least admitting you have no further counterarguments and are just shit in general at defending yourself. I guess I should've gleamed that ahead of time; braggarts aren't generally renown for their resourceful intelligence. That one's on me I guess.

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>>28666332
>watch me eat money
The human race was a mistake

>>28667518
I suppose weakness policy can help but not much, lots of healing support too like that fairy drop

>>28667505
I bought the Victini box for the pin too, bro.

>>28663742
>running a crutch like skyla
IT'S LIKE YOU DON'T EVEN WANT TO GET BETTER

>>28667541
No dude, you're the one repeating the vapid theology of
>It doesn't matter to me, so it shouldn't matter to anyone!
and
>Stop having different opinions
while ignoring objective, non-negotiable values.

BC Skyla is worth more than the other. Period. Not up for debate.

>>28667372

Good point, I'll have to check out my Targets, they're always breaking street date on TCG products.

>>28667573
>not running skyla on a mega deck with garbodor

its like you dont want consistency

>>28667585
What is objective is that one full art is superior to the other in terms of aesthetic appeal, the fact that no one here agrees with you should at least shed some light on this fact.

You can justify using an ugly card instead of a superior-looking card all you want, but it's just packs - a digital currency - and their value is essentially indistinguishable.

>>28667560
>>28667505
You know where to stick that pin :^)

>>28667573
>>28667585
>>28667619
>>28667684
Literally playground arguments

>>28667684
You're unironically saying the appearance of a card is objective, while the numerical value of the card is subjective.

Since value doesn't matter and the BP one is better, are you willing to trade your BC Skylas for my BP ones? I have a playset of both, I can do the trade right now.

>>28667684
>What is objective is that one full art is superior to the other in terms of aesthetic appeal

Not him, but thats a subjective opinion.

Personally I like the Boundaries Crossed one more since its cuter, Breakpoint Skyla looks too slutty.

As the tutorial is getting replaced, if you guys haven't already, you might want to consider following the tutorial. It nets you 250 tokens, a tradelocked booster, and the XY Basic Yellow theme deck.

>>28666609
I want my cards as sexy as possible because it's the only women I see outside of porn

>>28667598

VS Seekers are are bit cheaper now due to the Battle Arena Decks, they going for an average of $9-$10 on eBay now. >>28665760's price is likely taken from TnT, which is still charging $14 for one.

>>28667866
>Binder Guy
>Alive

>>28667866
>people look at TnT rather than just TCGplayer
why

>>28667896
Too many scums on TCGplayer

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>>28667787
This anon understand

>>28667983
>there will never be a full art elesa

>>28667778
Thanks for the heads up

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>looking through my old cards but not my old old cards
>this shit was $20 back a few years ago
Where will this game be in 5 years? Are we going to have a power reset?

>>28667888

It's more likely than you think.

>>28667896

Beats me, but then again more players know about TnT than they do TCGplayer.

>>28668182

>Power Reset

Pokemon Card Lab and TPCi would basically have to essentially nuke the game and the Standard Rotation to make it possible since the newer cards would be useless compared to the old stuff

>>28668182
Fast Call would still be VERY good if it was on a legal Pokemon.

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>>28668182
>Are we going to have a power reset?
We need the exact opposite. The game has simplified itself to the point of being almost unplayable.

The entire game right now can be summarized with
>Count a resource. That's how much damage you do.
The few extremely rare times we do get something that isn't just straight damage, it ends up defining the meta. See Seismitoad, Trevenant, Vileplume, Giratina, etc. And all these cards are just rehashes of cards we've had in the past 2-3 formats. They don't even copy any of the old, interesting cards.

On top of that, for some mysterious reason, they're being extremely safe with their oversimplified, recycled ideas. Look at cards like Kingdra EX, Flygon EX, and Meowstic EX for an example of what I mean. These cards would still be shit WITHOUT their arbitrary limitations, but they felt the need to make sure these cards would never see play.

And this isn't just right now, it's been like this since HGSS hit the board. Cards have no text. Secondary effects and abilities that don't involve directly attaching energy or drawing cards don't exist. Status Effects are literally no longer printed.

I'm hoping they go nuts with Gen 7 cards.

>>28668182
fast call looks really strong even now

>>28668851
You can play yu gi oh if you want every card to be tl'dr

>>28668851
>Status Effects are literally no longer printed.
ariados

>>28668851
>Cards have no text. Secondary effects and abilities that don't involve directly attaching energy or drawing cards don't exist.
yet you post one about recycling cards and attaching energy

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>>28668851
>I'm hoping they go nuts with Gen 7 cards.

>80 damage, this Pokemon is now asleep
>180 damage, only if this Pokemon is asleep
>ULTRA GX MOVE OMG!!!
>210 damage and this Pokemon is now asleep
Don't get your hopes up.

DUDE EX CARDS LMAO

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>>28669290
I know right?
How can non-ex cards even compete?

DUDE LVL X CARDS LMAO

DUDE PLAY 5 EX POKÉMON, A STADIUM CARD, A DOUBLE ENERGY, ITEM CARD, SUPPORTER CARD, VS SEEKER TO GET THAT CARD BACK THEN HARD CHARM ON YOUR FIRST TURN LMAO

>>28659158
Is TCG worth playing atm or is it still >>28669290?

>>28669788
Its going to be ex heavy until the meta changes which is a few years

>>28669788
It hasn't been >>28669290 since Gen V, and even then there were non-EX cards competing at venues like Worlds.

>>28669788
Don't even bother if you're going to have that attitude.
Go back to crying about synchros in the yugioh threads

>>28669829
You mean in 2 sets when it's GX cards?

There is literally 0 reason to use EX over them bar le setup hog, but we prolly won't see a card of that prominence ever again.

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HOLY FUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

>play tcgo since 1 month
>haven't event tried to get Shaymin yet since I think its fun to start with whatever I can get and experience with everything
>today after watching some irl ptcg games from youtube I feel like getting Shaymin too
>buy 2 RS packs with coins
>get absolute shit cards
>decided to open 1 tradeable RS pack that I have been saving for a while
>pull out this
I literally screamed

>>28669788
It was pretty good when night march was around but it's turned to shit since rotation

>>28669906
>There is literally 0 reason to use EX over them bar le setup hog, but we prolly won't see a card of that prominence ever again.
What the fuck? Whose ass are you pulling this out of?
Or are you one of those synchro kiddies who gets triggered whenever a new mechanic is printed?

>>28669939
Too bad Pokemon isn't like Magic, or you would have made some money.

>>28669963
>well I could use mega mawile in OU, but nah I'll just keep it regular :) :) :)
You're logic right now.

>>28670035
I have no clue what you're trying to say here.

>>28670058
Why use something objectively weaker?

>>28669906
You know the thing about GX cards is that their best attack is a GX attack that can be used only ONCE PER GAME?

Yeah, tiered decks will probably have them, but they wont have more than 2 GX cards in them.

>>28670112
I was wondering, are they once per game, per attack or one GX attack per game?

I.e. can I use my Snorlax GX move in the same game as my Solgaleo's or just my Snorlax' and nothing else?

>>28669157
>Japanese promo being playable
Nice one

>>28670156
One GX attack per game.

>>28670161
>190hp colossus with 3 powerful attacks

lol

>>28670094
Who says GX Pokemon are good? Who says they're going to replace EX Pokemon?
We've seen three GX Pokemon so far, and we've only fully seen the stats for one of those three.
Snorlax is borderline unusable, and as its the one we fully know about, it's already invalidating your argument of "they're better".
The other two are great, but the hard limitation on GX attacks and their primary use as support Pokemon show that they're by no means going to be their own deck.

You're making wild assumptions about what GX Pokemon are or can do. Did you say the same thing about Break Pokemon? Stop getting triggered by new mechanics.

What's a good win to loss ratio?

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Thank you Zach.

>>28670254
personally i dont feel happy unless im around 60-70%

>>28669290
>not running pyroar deck

>>28670409

I played Seismitoad/Pyroar back in 2014-15 during the City Championship run and much keks were had when my opponent just concedes when I played down a Pyroar when they had no outs, but the increased usage of Mega Pokemon and Hex Maniac made Pyroar a non-starter

>>28670409
>Not using a standard deck

>>28670276
What pack is that?

Newfag here, why does it matter if EX Pokemon or Break Pokemon or GX Pokemon are top tier?
Isn't that a category of card instead of a specific archtype? I would understand if a specific card was broken, but this website says there are over 500 different EX Pokemon alone. What's the problem if there are so many of them?

>>28670480
Breakpoint

>>28670499
>What's the problem if there are so many of them?
So many of them are shit and almost never see any plays :^)

>>28670557
That doesn't really answer what I asked. Why do people have such a problem with EX Pokemon?

>>28670499
poorfags are the ones complaining since they can afford the ex cards

they ignore the fact that being an EX doesnt make the card inherently expensive

if ex cards didnt exist then the top tier rare cards of the format would be as expensive and as broken as the top ex cards are right now

>>28670499
It doesn't matter, the only people who give a shit about a certain archetype of card being used more than others like >>28665475 are low-level shitters who just started playing the game a week ago. Their opinions are neither valid nor worth listening to.

>>28670499
>500 different EX mons
How many are viable? Probably under 20, that's including dupes of the card (FA and such)

>>28670590

when you start the game you don't have any

that's literally the only issue with them

>>28670600
being a poorfag trying to get into the game the only card i have an issue with is shaymin and thats just because its price is pretty absurd for one card why isnt there a tin with shaymin in it

>>28670600

Remember Claydol and Uxie? Those were non-holo rares and they were $10~20 a piece before they got mass reprinted as League Promos

>>28670693
Cry me a fucking river because you need to spend a bit of money on a card, possibly two. The rest of this game is dirt cheap

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>it's a waste 15 minutes of your life because your opponent really enjoys looking at his hand episode
>they win anyway because they get all the best cards in their deck immediately

>>28670800
why isnt there a tin with it though?

>>28670655
viable =/= top tier

There are plenty of viable cards that arent top tier but are still viable.

For example:
Aggron and Mega
Altaria and Mega
Ampharos and Mega
Tyranitar and Mega

>>28670909

TPCi doesn't like having money shoved in their faces

>>28670909
Because the tins are usually random. Why does Pikachu have a tin? Why does Machamp have a tin? No one knows.

>>28670909
Because fuck you desperate poorfags

>>28670943
Printing Shaymemes like that would hurt their userbase.

Lots of people not only collect but also invest in the cards, doing something like that would piss off a lot of people and drive them away.

>>28671046
I think it's time for a reserved list

>>28671046
>Printing Shaymemes like that would hurt their userbase.
yeah but it also helps people trying to get the card both ways it hurts one group

>>28671068

This is not Magic, so I don't see how would a reserve list would do anything

>>28671046

Well, the game and the userbase certainly didn't implode when they reprinted Darkrai and Mewtwo EXs in a tin back in 2012 and those two were $30~40 cards before the reprints

>>28671206
Mewtwo and Darkrai didnt go in every deck, Shaymin does thus the market for it is waaay bigger.

>>28670499
The problem with EX and GX Pokemon is that
1) They only exist at higher rarities; and
2) They are, by definition, better than non-EX/GX Pokemon (at least that's the intention, they don't always succeed at that)

This devalues non-EX Pokemon, which is most of the cards you get, and limits the amount of viable strategies that do not revolve around EX/GX Pokemon.

It's also an intentional link between power and rarity, meaning you need to shell out more to win more, which is a questionable but profitable business practice.

>this website says there are over 500 different EX Pokemon alone. What's the problem if there are so many of them?
Only certain sets can be played online and at tournaments. The most accessible format, Standard, currently only has 88 Pokemon-EX (counting the expansions, may be a couple more as promo cards). This is a relatively small fraction of all Pokemon in Standard, meaning most of the cards are intentionally made less viable for competitive play.

>>28671390
>It's also an intentional link between power and rarity

That has always been like that, since Base Set...

4 Hitmonchan
4 Electabuzz
4 Scyther
4 Super Energy Removal
2 Computer Seach
2 Item Finder

20 cards total, all rare.

1/3rd of the Haymaker deck consists of rare cards.


And that goes for every single TCG game out there.
You think Pokemon is expensive? Go look at the average price of a tiered magic deck, its 5x / 10x more than the most expensive Pokemon deck you can make right now.

>>28671345

>Mewtwo
>Didn't go in every deck

But it was present in the majority of the decks back when EXs were re-introduced in 2012 before more viable EXs were introduced, CMT mirror matches were fun times to see how blinks/misplays first

>>28671545

>Only 2 Computer Search and Item Finder each

AbsolutelyDisgusting.jpg

>>28671545
>Go look at the average price of a tiered magic deck
>any viable legacy deck
Shit's dumb.

>>28671545
>super energy removal
>not just 2 super
>not 4 regular energy removal
>no energy retrieval

>>28671738

It would be more fair to compare PKMN Standard / MtG Standard and PKMN Expanded / MtG Modern

>>28671817

He was counting cards that are Rare or above

>>28671882
>PKMN Expanded
Isn't that significantly cheaper?

>>28671925
No?

>>28671925

Compared to MtG Modern? Definitely. The only thing that is remotely "expensive" for the format is Computer Search but you only need one since it is an ACE SPEC

>>28671974
>>28671993
Plus modern is over what 8 years?

>>28665929
Pro-fit sleeves are just a little too tight. I don't want to squeeze my cards into something that small and risk damaging them.

I only use the least-expensive print of a card in decks so I don't tarnish anything valuable by shuffling or otherwise putting wear and tear on it. Bling is for binders.

>>28671206
>>28671345
It's not like tin reprints are full-arts, either. Mewtwo and Darkrai FA both maintained their value until they either got dropped to T2 or rotated. They're still expensive, just not $50 expensive.

Shit, the tin reprints barely hurt the price of the regular art print anyway. Maybe a 25% decrease at most.

>>28671882
>MTG Modern
>being remotely comparable in price to any format in other card game
lol
And Legacy is worse by orders of magnitude.

>>28672111
Thirteen.

>>28671390
>1) They only exist at higher rarities
Source?

>2) They are, by definition, better than non-EX/GX Pokemon
Source? Snorlax proves otherwise.

>It's also an intentional link between power and rarity
Night March, Trevenant, Pyroar, Greninja, YZG, etc
Why aren't Sycamore, VS Seeker, Battle Compressor, Lysandre, Ultra Ball, or N UR cards, then?

>meaning most of the cards are intentionally made less viable for competitive play.
This isn't EX or non-EX exclusive.

>>28673283
>Source?
wouldnt the source be looking at a list of ex cards?

>>28673283
>Source?
EX's are always Ultra Rare or higher.

>Source? Snorlax proves otherwise.
What does Snorlax prove?

>Night March, Trevenant, Pyroar, Greninja, YZG, etc
Night March is a good example, but the rest were all Rares. Trevenant XY was $10, for example.

>Why aren't Sycamore, VS Seeker, Battle Compressor, Lysandre, Ultra Ball, or N UR cards, then?
They don't need to be, they have full art variants, or sometimes secret rare variants. And if they don't they can still be expensive, especially as Reverse Holos. Battle Compressor RH was $8 at a time.

>>28673333
>>28673448
1 and 2 were in response to GX Pokemon being better. I didn't realize he also wrote EX.

Either way, 2 is wrong. EX Pokemon aren't magically better than non-EX Pokemon. SOME EX Pokemon HAPPEN to be better than everything else. This isn't an EX-exclusive trait. And just because a couple of EX Pokemon are good doesn't magically invalidate the viability of everything else that exists. It's called a tier LIST for a reason.

>but the rest were all Rares
Rare is still a lower rarity than Holo Rare or Ultra Rare. You're guaranteed a Rare in every pack.

>They don't need to be, they have full art variants
Literally irrelevant.

>>28671390
>2) They are, by definition, better than non-EX/GX Pokemon (at least that's the intention, they don't always succeed at that)
I don't think that's inherently right though. They're better than 80 HP Pokemon or lower since they generally start around 160 HP and most basics don't have that luxury, but there are a ton of 90-130 HP Basics/easy setup Pokemon who are technically better than the average EX. Two Yveltal or two Xerneas would be 260 HP compared to any given EX. A Zoroark or a Raichu would be about on-par since two of them would be 200 HP compared to the average 180 HP EX. And then they become actually good because they have decent attacks and stuff comparable with the really good EXes, at half the cost in prizes. So there's no reason you would want to play any EX that's at the same level or worse than these when you could just play these.

If anything it's less that EX/GX Pokemon are by definition better than non-EX/GX, it's more that the average non-EX/GX Pokemon is just trash compared to literally anything else in the game and only there to fill packs, just like the average actual Pokemon.

how does M mew2 beat gardy? she one hitd EVERYTHING

>>28674011

you try to one hit everything faster

god speed

>>28674011
You auto lose like Scizor auto loses to fire deck.
Luckily Gardevoir sucks and loses almost every other matchup

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Standard players right now

>>28673970
They should really just discontinue regular pokemon and make the current EXs the standard. they already discontinued the game once to reset it, no reason they can't do it again.

>>28674461
But there are plenty of non-EX Pokemon that competed in all EXs meta very successfully. Including our current one.
Why would they do that?

How many trash rares can I ask for one breakthrough booster? I was thinking of basically going crazy and asking for everything under the sun I already have 1 or 2 off that's essentially worthless.

>>28674508
How trash are you talking?
Normally between 4 and 30+ depending on the cards.

>>28668851
heatran needs to make a comeback

Does "Keldeo vs Rayquaza" battle deck bring his cards into rotation?

>>28674404

>tfw I have enough Shaymemes for multiple decks

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>>28674671

The answer is no since all the reprinted cards that are currently not legal Standard retain the original set logo and collection number

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>literally had someone bitching about me using scizor deck in random versus
>calling it "another reddit deck"
>while using a regice deck
Lel.

Also I'm really a big proponent for a single Plasma Grunt in Scizor deck. Adds a LOT of consistency in your energy removal and you aren't always playing supports every turn anyway with scizor.
Pretty good niche card in my opinion.

>>28674671
No, it's just a bullshit thing that they do right before rotation where they'll suddenly release a bunch of amazing cards in an easy to get package, to trick people who don't realize they're about to rotate.

>>28674263
As a Gardevoir player, I can only really confirm that against Scizor or Steel decks in general.

Most match-ups I've had have been acceptable. Volcanion is a bit of a bother, as is Rainbow Road, though both can be handled rather well if I don't end up bricking.

>>28674807
Rotation isn't for another year though, and those cards are going to all be either in standard or have been rotated out for 2+ years now.

>>28674807

Actually a lot of the cards have been rotated out of Standard (either for a while or just recently), the Battle Arena Decks is meant to be used as a starting point to build decks for the Expanded Format. The one for this year is definitely worth the $30 price tag since there are quite a few Standard legal Trainers that basically makes up for it alone

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>draw hands
>initial hand is so abysmal I might as well forfeit before a single Pokemon hits the bench
>other guy forfeits first
>got a BreakPoint pack and a Fug-EX out of it

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god these devs are fucking nincompoops. probably no-one ever noticed because the design team are barely better and no-one is ever going to use this steaming pile of crap excuse for a card. is this like, a company email printed into the game?? how does that even happen.

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>>28674603
A lot of old cards need to make a comeback. Going through the old sets, you find some pretty unique stuff.
But instead we get X-Ball and Hydro Pump variants every other set.

>>28675076
its not even fucking spelled right.

>>28674546
I mostly wanted some dragon and fighting crap for challenges in standard. Like, I dunno, druddigons or garchomps or primeapes. You know, easy to field junk that can get a few KOs in before the opponent wins. As the theme decks with such pokemon are very lacking.

>>28674404
Expanded players just as thirsty

>Registeel vs AudinoEX
>no abilities in play
>Registeel has a Lucky Helmet equipped
>tanks two hits from Audino
>Lucky Helmet doesn't trigger either time

???

>>28675076
That's actually pretty hilarious.

How's Hydreigon Break even holding up now that the good one has rotated? The SS one seems like hot shit.

>>28675196
Any stadiums or anything in play?

>>28675369
If anything, Fairy Garden.

>>28670889

Git gud.

>>28675077
>pseudo-Blood Moon on a PTCG card
I'm not sure if I'd like it or hate it.

Though considering the ratio of nonbasic to basic in PTCG is much better than in MTG, it'll probably be a really fucking neat card.

>play a hyper diaper poo poo pee EX from my graveyard
>it gets sent to shadow realm for 1 mana
wtf ho0w do I counter this

>>28675076
Wait, is this real or am I just a gullible fuckwad?

>>28675198

The SS one was actually pretty good with the old Hydreigon.

>>28675413
effect veiler

>>28675466

I'm assuming you are talking about the PHF Hydreigon (the one that fishes basic Dark out of your discard pile) instead of the good DRX one that lets you move Dark energy around right

>tfw don't know what to play
>would play Scizor but a local is playing Volcanian
>would play Darkrai/Giratina but another local is playing that
>M-Mewtwo is an option, but is rising in price
>M Fug is stupid
Why is standard so shitty. I miss seismitoad.

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>>28675402
WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY TO ME

>>28675493
>effect veiler
i don't play force of will bro

>>28675497

Yes.

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>>28675412
That sort of ability would let you autowin against Dragons, and would really dampen up Mewtwo and Rayquaza. But they'd probably ruin its attack to "balance" it out.

Which is the other half of the problem right now. The way they weight energy costs and damage is almost completely random. You have cards like Greninja and Garchomp competing with garbage Stage 2s like SS Chandelure or any Luxray. And there's also this weird aversion to printing complex effects.

Light Dragonite in today's meta would probably just have 40 more HP and its attack would be [G][L][C][C] with 20 more damage.

>>28675437
oh it's real. never underestimate the sheer incompetency of the devs.

>>28675198
the break is pretty good. hell of an attack. getting to the point in any game where you can pull off that attack is another matter. if not for this stupid dragon challenge I wouldn't bother. running it with Yveltal to recycle dark energies and charge it, and a single yveltal BKT to try slow down the mega decks. even with the whole deck focused around just getting a few kills for the challenge and not aimed at winning, it's still only once in a blue moon you get them. charge it up, pull off a kill or two hopefully, concede. No way in hell to keep it constantly charged - and that's after getting a 4-stage out. It's trash competitively, and not that fun to use, but the one big attacks are good to see when they happen.

>>28676231
The card worked fine enough last format. PHF Hydreigon synergizes pretty perfectly with it.

Not sure what this trend is all about. They keep printing Breaks meant for versions of Pokemon about to rotate out. Greninja, Chesnaught, Noivern, Bronzong, Pyroar, Trevenant, and now Hydreigon all were much, much better format.

>>28675562
>current standard format is garbage
>next set looks like trash that won't change anything
rip

>>28675562
>>28676367
What's garbage about the current meta?

>>28676435
put energy on attacker
attack
win game
literally the only play style.
Except like, Rainbow road has to set up an interesting board state, that's kind of cool I guess.

>>28676460
How is that different from what we've seen over the past half decade?

>>28676489
Night march had to fill it's discard, Toads was a legitimate control deck, old fairy toolbox was cool because Aromatisse and energy transfering. You had cool hit and run strats with Gengar-EX, Donphan and Trevenant.

>>28676489
We had actual playstyles before the last two rotations or so. Do you not remember toad? Things like Greninja and Audino being severely calculating? Pyroar was actually good for a bit until phantom forces. Trevenant with things like gengar?

>>28676460
a ton of decks that are likely to be tiered has some kind of scaling condition. RayQ, Rainbow Road, Mewtwo, DarkTina, Xerneas, Gardevoir, (Vespiquen?) - and each of those through different means. Meanwhile Scizor is an energy denial deck and thriving for it. Most of the stuff that'll be lower tiers has some kind of out of the box trick too, through ability or set-up. No single deck is BDIF and all have critical flaws and ways to be shut down, along with ways around the ways to be shut down.

What exactly the fuck are you looking for? Another season of t1 item lock?

I mean I'd like to see a revival of spread damage decks which in turn would see Rough Seas have a resurgence and therefore water & electric come back. but I'm not sitting here throwing the rattle.

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Someone criticize this rainbow road deck and try to help me make it more consistent.

I'm considering completely dropping the Geomancy Xern and just sticking another rainbow road Xern, the Geomancy Xern has been useful like one time and more often than not has just been a dead draw pokemon other than to serve as bench fodder.

I also can't afford the Jirachi promo, will get if/when they ever do the promo again...
This deck REALLY needs Ninja boy though, like it'd be so welcome.

>>28676674
I feel like Volcarona would be better than Joltik since in a worst case scenario you at can use its 120 power attack.

Or at least Bisharp over that and Umbreon for revenge, so you can play Octillery for card draw.

>>28676674
add bisharp instead of umbreon then you could you revenge kill other rainbow road/fairy decks

>>28676842
>>28676674
Oh and definitely get Mew or Mew EX in there for the Mega Mewtwo matchup. Remember you only need shit on your bench, so Xerneas on your bench counts as fairy while Mew being the same type as Hoopa is fine if Mew is active.

>>28676561
>Night March
Oh wow they had to play four Ulra Balls and four Battle Compressors before they attached their energy, wow so much more strategy-intensive than Gardevoir or Mewtwo.

>Toad
We've put up with this item-locking cancer for two full seasons. It wasn't appreciated when it was here and it won't be missed now that's it gone. "Legitimate" bullshit is bullshit nonetheless.

>Gengar/Trev
Item lock is cancer but item lock first turn because you blew through your deck to get Wally is especially cancer and required no skill in the slightest.

>Donphan
>FairyBox
Actually cool decks but never made it past tier 3 because of how cancer item lock was.

>>28676842
I'll have to disagree on the joltick to volc, if I'm at the point where I'm attaching energy and then discarding them all to do a 120 attack then I probably am too forgone to win.
Also if I'm going octillery you're totally missing the point of this deck which is to use Hoopa for the sudden and early rush of damage as early as turn 1.
(I've knocked out mega raymemes/mewtwos turn 1 thanks to ultra ball -> hoopa -> shaymemes -> ultra ball in xern -> elixer -> double colorless -> full bench -> 220 swing)

Bisharp is an idea since it adds steel dual type and thus an overall 60 damage if I can evolve it up. Hoopa is basically already for giving me a free 120 damage thanks to volcanion and shaymeme. I rarely want to draw in the Umbreon if I can get Volcanion+Shaymemes early in the match.

I'll think about mew-ex but I feel like the deck is getting too cluttered at that point.

Still thinking about flygon ex but not sure with the garbodor meta making its ability almost moot. Might be an interesting tech option with float stone.

>>28634126 →

>>28676908
>Oh and definitely get Mew or Mew EX in there for the Mega Mewtwo matchup.

Both of those are dead weight the minute your opponent sets Garbodor, which all M Mewtwo decks should be running by default.

>>28677310
What deck /isn't/ running the garbage man?

>>28677345
Rayquaza, Xerneas BREAK, YZG, Greninja, M Gardevoir and Rainbow Force.

>>28677384
Shit decks

>>28677345

Exactly.

>>28677384

And most of those rely on Abilities, which Garbodor shits on with extreme prejudice.

>>28677399
I also forgot Volcanion. Besides, the only decks that completely lose to Garbodor are Volcanion and Greninja. Every other deck, if they're already set up, don't care.

>>28677420
>And most of those rely on Abilities,
With the exception of Greninja and maybe YZG, ability use is very limited past turn two.

>>28677310
You can deal with garbodor pretty efficiently with a lysandre though. It's not often that I see multiple garbodor, and you only need one turn to OHKO the mewtwo.

So what decks are you guys playing in the expanded format?

>>28677548
In Expanded I always just play dark patch Yveltal starring Darkrai because it's easy and consistent.

>>28677548
M Ray.

>>28677454

True, but those are also fucked via other cards (Parallel City being one of 'em).

>>28677521

The problem with that is there's no guarantee that you'll have a Lysandre when you need one the most, even with VS Seeker being a 4-of in all decks.

>>28677548

Nothing until Karen is released to the TCGO. But then again, a friend of mine hasn't seen any NM decks in Expanded.

>>28677622
Isn't that an argument against Garbodor too though? There's no guarantee they'll get trubbish, garbodor, a full turn, and a float stone before you get a single lysandre you can keep reusing and a mew.

>>28677622
>True, but those are also fucked via other cards (Parallel City being one of 'em).
That's a different argument. One I don't particularly agree with, but nonetheless, that's unrelated to trash bags.

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>>28677548
Probably just this because I don't take the game seriously.
Although I kind of want to make support lock Eggs work.

>>28677667
>There's no guarantee they'll get trubbish, garbodor, a full turn, and a float stone before you get a single lysandre you can keep reusing and a mew.

I'm seeing more 3-3 lines and less straight 2-2 lines, that makes setting up Garbodor a bit easier. There's also the possibility of teching in a Wally to make it easier.

And remember that Lysandre is a 1-to-2 of in most decks.

>still have the black/white basic decks from when i signed up but stopped playing almost immediately
>picking the game up again now to just unlock the cards for my collection
>lists are megabad can't even beat trainer challenge AI on easy half the time

>>28677937

git gud

the black and white theme decks weren't even that bad

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Can anyone give me some recommendations on important packs/decks to get?

I've been getting theme decks, but
I think now that I have a fairly solid base I need to get some packs to find rarer/essential cards. I think mostly I need 2 more Sycamore/Juniper and VS Seekers.

Some extra info:

I've bought Electric Eye, Iron Tide, Burning Spark, Night Striker and Sky Guardian theme decks and I've unlocked the free decks as well.

My strongest decks so far are an upgraded Basic Blue, a mixed Water/Steel with Aggron EX, and a Delphox/Volcanion EX fire deck.

I've got a decent electric base too, but I'm not sure how to really make it work. I've got all of Electric Eye, Burning Spark, and two Thundurus EX to work with there.

>>28677975
at 0/7 they sure are. Had no issue unlocking the XY stuff at medium even with bad/average start hands.

>>28677985
work towards scizor, m fug, darkrai giratina, or m mewtwo decks
welcome to new standard

>>28677854
Remember, Garbodor has to have an tool for garbotoxin to work and Mewtwo doesn't run skyla or things like that which will search it. If your only tool is a spirit link and you need it for Mewtwo, you're probably not gonna prioritize garbotoxin over actually winning (unless you just really hate your opponent)

In that particular deck he's running 2 lysandre, 4 Vs Seeker, and a ton of draw power between Shaymin and 7 draw supporters though.

Besides, I'd argue Mew still has a place in the deck even outside the mewtwo matchup. Being searchable by Hoopa is good, free retreat on non-EX Mew is great. Having an alternate attacker and not just relying on 3 copies of Xerneas to win the game is pretty great on its own.

>>28677985
Electric's only good things right now are Magnezone ramp on something like Raikou/Pikachu-EX and maybe Jolteon-EX, and I wouldn't recommend the latter because shit's expensive as fuck and the former is pretty inconsistent.

If you have Volcanion-EX, you could just build that deck. >>28665332 is a decent starting point for the list.

>>28677999

just booted up a city championship game on "hard" with HS: Red and easily won

the trainer challenge is retarded easy with any deck, even easier then it use to be

>>28678177
HS: Red isn't BW though?

>>28678223

It's worse.

>>28678279

New thread

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>>28669157
>another snorlax card that falls asleep after attacking with super over-priced moves
When will this fucking meme end???

Why doesn't Pokemon company release good cards, like shaymin or vs seeker? This way more people will play and buy their cards? Its not like they make money off of 3rd party sellers.

>>28678285

>making a new thread when we just hit 300 posts

we're still on the first page senpai

this thread would last multiple hours more

>>28678304
Because people buy their cards often enough anyway to where they literally don't have to care at all. They print absolute horseshit all the time, especially as promos, and people lap that shit right up.

>>28678325
Are you new?

>>28678431

Uhh, no.

Note how this is over an hour later and this thread is still up, by the way.

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Just started playing a few days ago, I have a few theme decks but i'm definitely not ready for constructed play.

Should I trade this or save it for a later deck.