Pokémon Anime Discussion Thread

POKÉMON MOVIE SPECIAL SUBS:
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XY&Z37 SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_037_The_Finals!_Satoshi_VS_Alan!![H264_720P][429D17E9].mkv.torrent

XY&Z15 POKÉTV SEGMENT SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_015_A_Brigarron_from_the_Wilderness!_The_Tree-planting_Robon!!_PokeTV_segment[H264_720P][46EE6A1F].mkv.torrent

XY&Z38 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=841536

XY&Z39 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=843882

XY&Z40 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=845935

NEXT: POCKET MONSTERS XY&Z41: ATTACK ON MIARE GYM! THE CITROID FOREVER!! (SEPTEMBER 8TH)
>Citron VS Xerosicy! Who will win this battle where their pride as scientists are at stake!? And after this fierce battle, Citron is forced to make a difficult choice!

>Summary:
>Serena sets off to rescue Hari-san together with Manon and Platane. They end up in deep trouble when they are attacked by the Flare Gang's Admins, but then a reassuring ally appears! But just who is it? Meanwhile, Citron has snuck into the Prism Tower in order to recover the Miare Gym, and is now finally confronting Xerosicy!

>Voice cast:
>Rica Matsumoto: Satoshi
>Ikue Ohtani: Pikachu
>Mayuki Makiguchi: Serena
>Yuki Kaji: Citron
>Mariya Ise: Eureka
>Megumi Sato: Dedenne
>Megumi Hayashibara: Musashi
>Shinichiro Miki: Kojiro
>Inuko Inuyama: Nyarth
>Yuji Ueda: Sonansu
>Kensho Ono: Alan
>Mikako Komatsu: Manon
>Hiroshi Tsuchida: Platane
>Hideaki Tezuka: Fleur-de-lis
>Tsuguo Mogami: Xerosicy
>Fumiko Orikasa: Carne
>Kenichi Suzumura: Daigo
>Akeno Watanabe: Pachira
>Kensuke Sato: Lizardon
>Kenta Miyake: Onvern
>Kiyotaka Furushima: Fiarrow
>Noriko Shitaya: Yancham
>Mika Kanai: Nymphia
>Chinatsu Akasaki: Horubee
>Hitomi Nabatame: Harimaron
>Miyako Ito: Pumpjin
>Karin Nanami: Correa
>Sayuri Hara: Momiji
>Unsho Ishizuka: Narration

Ass

UPCOMING SHIT:

POKÉMON NO UCHI ATSUMARU? EPISODE 49 (Sep 11th)

XY&Z42: The Megalith Advances! A Fight to Protect Kalos!! (Sep 15th)
>Thanks to Clemont and Bonnie, Ash and the others successfully manage to retrieve Squishy. But as the group wonders if this has put an end to the incident that struck Lumiose City as well, something strange happens with the legendary megalith located in the Lysandre Labs. It changes shape and starts moving towards somewhere. With Kalos as the setting, Ash and his friends now end up fighting a battle to save the world.

XY&Z43: Zygarde Fights Back! The Final Battle for Kalos!! (Sep 15th)
>In order to rescue Hari-san, and also to save the world, Ash and the others go up against the overwhelmingly powerful Megalith. With their companions opening the way for them, Ash and Alan succeed in making their way into the Megalith's interior. They succeed in rescuing Hari-san, but...

XY&Z -MOVIE VER.- (SATOSHI)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/6d63pkrvpvcqry3/XY%26Z_MOVIE_VER_%28Both_Sizes%29.zip

THE PIKACHU SONG (PIKACHU)
http://www.megafileupload.com/7hw9/The_Pikachu_Song.m4a

VOLCANION AND THE INGENIOUS MAGEARNA SOUNDTRACK
http://www.filedrop
per.com/movie19soundtrack

VOLCANION AND THE INGENIOUS MAGEARNA MANGA
CHAPTER 1: http://imgur.com/a/PAdz8
CHAPTER 2: http://imgur.com/a/cGC71
CHAPTER 3: http://imgur.com/a/l6bs1

GIVE ME YOUR ENERGY

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>2016
>people still watch the ashnime

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I suppose after Flare and Zygarde arc, Clemont and Bonnie stay in Lumiouse

So
>Serena and Ash travel alone to Vaniville to her house to see whats next
>Serena tells her mother and ash about Yashio's offer
>Scenes of her thinking what to do, if accept the offer or Ash, or her mother

Plenty, plenty of amour chance, and believable.

Just walk away

>>28322709
>YOU CAN'T ARGUE AGAINST THE STATUS QUO AND STATE THAT ASH SHOULD LOSE, THAT IS CONTRADICTORY

Not every reality of the status quo needs to be removed, it makes no logical sense for him to win, it makes sense for him to find love or delve in it

>>28322735
>September 7th
>you still bother taking the time to post this every thread

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>>28322735
>Coming here to shitpost in 2016

>>28322762
Go ahead.

Remember to ignore shitposts and falseflags

Report if you can.

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>>28322782
>it makes no logical sense for him to win
>it makes sense for him to find love or delve in it

Wrong genre. The first is a necessary and sufficient condition for the second to happen.

>>28322735
Maybe if you gave it a chance you'd like it.
Amour isn't just some wet dream, there's actual development, and Ash is becoming a strong trainer

I'm back after like a week or two, did you just stop whining about Ash losing yet?

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>>28322806
>>28322814
You're so easy.

>watchin the same series each three-four years for the last 20 years

19 years, 19 FUCKING years.

>>28322782
>it makes sense for him to find love or delve in it

He's 10 years old and completely oblivious to romance.

How are you this delusional?

>>28322844
How is a child being able to win in a competition adults also happen to be good at the needed precedent for a kid to have a crush and start dating?
Most people start dating before they become great at their particular talent.
What does the genre have to do with it? You think love is completely lost on this franchise?
What show have you been watching?

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my reaction to shitposters

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>>28322856
>>28322897
>this delusion

>Pokemon Sun & Moon 1: The Stardust Man Appears! Jotaro Kujo! Meets Ash Ketchum! The Journey to Alola Begins!!

>>28322896
10 Year old boys can still think a girl is pretty and still be interested in her personality.
Romances with child characters have been happening since the dawn of fiction, why are you guys acting like pokemon is just immune?

One is about skill, the other is about emotion

I honestly don't even watch the anime I'm just here to shitpost.

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>>28322905

Wow, I guess you guys still haven't stopped whining about it.
Damn what the fuck is wrong with you

>>28322932
Enjoy your ban, then.

>>28321796
>Pokemon FINALLY has a good story, do you think some ignorant executive could have given us XYZ?
>XYZ
>Good
XYZ isn't even the best of the Pokemon Anime wake up anon

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>>28322939
>you guys
Newfag, go away.

>>28322926
10 year old boy can also win a tournament where he's clearly better than everyone, but you don't seem to know what character you're talking about.

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>>28322932
You are actually just wasting your own time.

>>28322915
>I dissagree, y-you're just delusional!!
You're just like this because you haven't actually watched the anime, you don't know what amour is like and made some assumptiions that amuse you.

You know what amuses me? People arguing about something they know nothing about and trying to shit up a thread about something they don't like.
You're failing, you're losing, and you're wrong.
Can't wait until you're denial gets crushed in the rest of the Flare story and SM

>>28322932
I used to watch the anime. I used to defend XY as the best series (which it actually was becoming into). I used to defend /padt/ against shitposting. I used to get banned for abusing the report system.

Then XY&Z38 happened. All it takes is one bad day.

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>>28322984
Oh god.

>>28322984
I don't think you've watched it if you think amour is going somewhere. Or you're just seeing what you want to see.

Your entire argument for Serena staying is "because I really really want her to."

>>28322986
You are a fucking retard.
Either you're retarded for defending an anime that you obviously never thought was good, or you're a retard for thinking that the league epsiode ruined anything.

>>28322761
>Plenty, plenty of amour chance, and believable.
Are you fucking stupid? Do you seriously think Ash would leave Clemont and Bonnie to go to Serena's house when they are in a shit state?

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>Roughly two weeks of chaos

SM could be perfect and this thread would still have no chance.

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>>28323026
Are you upset, m8? It seems like you are upset.

>>28322782
>it makes sense for him to find love or delve in it
You are making up this shit right? What the fuck do you think your watching

>>28323026
XY had many flaws that were only justifiable if the season was building up Ash's victory. The loss negated all that and all we're left with is a big mediocre waste of time.

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When does Ash get a harem of Catholic Schoolgirls as companions?

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>we will never have a girl as dynamic and fleshed out as Iris ever again

It's such a shame that we get dumped with Serena right after her

>>28323037
>Serena: oh man, i wish i could see how's mom doing
>Clemont: but just go! its alright, we have everything covered. Ash, would you mind?
>Ash: are you sure?
>Clemont: yeah just go, escort Serena, if you travel back to Kanto gives us a call to say goodbye

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>>28323091
>this is what leaguefags actually believe

>>28322984
Please someone tell me they are screencaping all this posts saying Serena wil go to Alola. They really think it will happen for gods sake hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahajahahahab

>>28323017
When you're too stupid to actually get the point and assess weather you're right or wrong so you just laugh like an idiot
>>28323023
You are really not reading my posts at all, you're stuffing words into my mouth
Weather I want it to happen or not is irrelevant, but to insult these writers would be to completely ignore the effort they put forth.
I wan't amour to happen because its good writing
Good writing attracts people, like I said before, look at this thread.
If its too "autistic" for you, try any youtubers who talk about XYZ, they agree, Amour is a selling point

>>28323144
You're going to keep giving him the (you)s there, shitposter?

>>28323128
>Implying it's just leaguefags

Why build up shit when you're never going to deliver? At least between AG-BW the league was a formality.

>>28323123
JUST FUCKING GO ASH HOLY SHIT

>>28323123
Clemon't dad and Syncamore will be the ones to say that. If they go to see Serena's mother it will be with all the gang. Another soon to be BTFO added to the list thanks

>>28323128
The league is the entire point of the fucking season. Especially this season when Ash had zero conflicts outside of it. Ash losing just makes it all a waste of time, he accomplished absolutely nothing in this region.

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>>28323128
>t-the league n-never mattered

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>>28323169
>Implying it's not just leaguefags
This shtick of yours is getting old. Or, as some would say, stale.

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This guy is a reminder of how shit XYZ was and is

>>28323191
Yeah but what about the gym and stuff
Hell, i accept that bonnie might come too, but Clemont will and should stay in the gym to help his dad in the repairs departament
Hell, hes known for being good at that

>>28323169
>>28323192
>>28323204
This fixation on the league is autistic as fuck. As though Ash didn't lose 5 times already. As though anyone with a brain would expect him to win.
As though anyone with a brain would even care if he won or not.

>>28323128
Because it's fact.

>Ash won everything first go except Wulfric and Alan
>No good rivals
>shitty rushed league
>Serena being literally worthless for the entire first year
>Tripokalon ending rushed and shit
>have goat designs for reccurring background characters and only name about 5 of them

>>28323144
>it's good writing
You have unbelievably low standards for writing.
How is it good writing when it hasn't progressed at all since it started? What attracts people is the prospect of their childhood icon growing up and succeeding in life. This season has painfully reinforced that that's not going to happen, and the ship itself basically just became a running gag that doesn't go anywhere, like Brock's flirting or Bonnie's proposals.

>>28323238
We're on Team fucking Flare already and these niggers just can't move on.

Isn't Lumiose close to the airport? I could easily see them staying there for the last 5ish episodes. What they'd do I dunno but it's possible Clemont, Bonnie and Serena will all say goodbye to Ash at the same time.

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Will it?

http://www.strawpoll.me/11171839

>>28323238
>i-it didn't matter if he won or not
>i-it's not like we expected him to win
>w-we didn't really care

Nice to see you enjoy watching your character lose and never develop beyond that. Will you say the same when Serena leaves?

>>28323238
>As though anyone with a brain would even care if he won or not.

I don't, but compared to every other league they kept going on about it in the anime more than DP. Ash fought a champ multiple times, got a special evo, and combated legends and megas. It didn't /have/ to do all this if it was going to fake everyone out at the end. If you're going to give a character a goal have them make milestones at least, but the anime doesn't even mention those.

>>28323091
There were no stakes in the narrative for Ash to need to beat Alan. The anime made a good attempt to build up Alan as a trainer who was realistically far above Ash's level considering the things his Mega Charizard has beaten.

There were definitely stakes for Ash to beat Shota though. Ash never showed this rookie rival a good fight with Ash-Greninja until he fought him in the league. That was a victory Ash, a veteran and inspirational figure to Shota, HAD to win, and he did thankfully.

But losing to Alan? Not that big a deal for Ash himself. He gave the best fight he possibly could have compared to how he was before. Not that the fight was well written at all. I thought for sure Greninja would take Charizard down after Pikachu successfully zapped non-mega Charizard with Thunderbolt. But anyway, the real reason people are disappointed with that match had less to do with the overall narrative stakes than the personal stakes of people watching the episode and wanting to see Ash win for once.

I guess the writers didn't know what they were dealing with when they wrote the episode months ago.

>>28323238
You are an absolute idiot.
Ash didn't win the previous leagues, but he accomplished something in those seasons. He won a bunch of side tournaments, he beat his rivals, he beat a Pokemon that no one else could, etc.
Do I need to remind you what he won in Kalos? The summer camp tournament. He won more things in fucking OS and BW.
Beating Shota for the hundredth time it not an accomplishment.
In the end no one beat Alain's Zard, which makes Greninja's training arc a COMPLETE waste of time. He didn't even need it to beat Wulfric, luchabro could have just thrashed obama again before he could mega.

So to reiterate, Ash achieved nothing this season. He's not gonna do shit in the Flare arc either besides stall the big bad along with the other mega faggots until Perfect Cell saves the day.

>>28323269
Pokemon is a mostly episodic children's show.
Good writing is when each epsiode is written well.
Fuck your growing up and succeeding in life nonsense. This isn't a fucking soap opera drama.
This season pokemon as a show did what it aims to do well, and that is have great battles, and engaging episodes.
Not be the conclusion to some coming of age story that you made up in your head.

>>28323346
I don't think they knew what they were doing when they wrote Amour later, and then had all those things outside the anime push "HEY GUYS SERENA LOVES ASH!".

Ash not winning the league and Amour probably not going any further than it has will be the biggest disappointments in XY.

>>28323360
This.

Pokemon has always been only about showcasing the Pokemon, the CotD episodes and the battles. Whether Ash loses or not, or whether he becomes a master or not is secondary.

>>28323360
>Alan can have all the focus and development in the world
>but Ash gets to have it reset before the season even ends after he looked like he had actually grown up a little
>good writing

>>28323238
To be honest, I can see why. Without the league Ash didn't have any central conflicts other than him not being fully aware of amour yet.

>>28323204
It really didn't, it's just the obvious thing. You don't know shit since you don't actually watch the show

>>28323121
Iris was basically just an improved Misty and wasn't nearly as interesting as Serena

>>28323069
How about you, I said time and time again that romance in children's shows is absolutely nothing new and people ignore this.
It's acceptable that Ash lost because he's simply too young and unskilled. Fuck off.

>>28322915
"Delusion" is the biggest most ubiquitous word going around these past few months. Stop.

>>28322968

But he isn't better than Alain, so he lost. Why is this so hard to understand? Ash just collecting wins isn't the main selling point of the show. If it was no one would be in this thread.

>>28323346
>The anime made a good attempt to build up Alan as a trainer who was realistically far above Ash's level
That doesn't justify making Ash's entire arc a waste of time. The fight played out the exact same way as their first one, when Ash couldn't control the form. This isn't going out in a blaze of glory or showing "winning isn't everything," it's just throwing out all of the kid's hard work and wasting the audience's time.

It doesn't matter if the writers themselves or the execs are to blame. At the end of the day it's shit writing and it ruined the season.

>>28323350
The only achievement he can "raise" is win da Serena.

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>>28323350
Ash defeated Lucario for the first time.
Ash made it to the finals for the first time.
Ash had a fully evolved team for the first time.
Ash was the leader of his travelling group for the first time, the one who the rest relied on.
Ash lost to a trainer who's Mega had more training then his Synchromon.

Ash has done a lot, fuck off faggot.

>>28323420
>abloo bloo my fanfiction about ash growing up

>>28323346
tl;dr

>Alan was just another Tobias to justify Ash losing another league, except this time he had a little more backstory

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IT WONT BE EASY TO CUT THROUGH THESE THORNS. SM WILL SAVE THE ANIME!!!

>>28323350
Should we start calling you idiots "accomplishmentfags"?
Sure he achieved something each gen, but they didn't make him achieve the fucking impossible.
Ash was too weak for Alain, plain and simple
You're watching the wrong show

>>28323420
Alan is a fucking nobody that won't exist outside of his 4 episodes of the spotlight and recurring status in the main series.

How the fuck can you be jealous about that?

>>28323360
What was the purpose of Amour then? Kids don't care about romance, yet they put it in there.

>>28323258
>Ash won everything first go except Wulfric and Alan
He always does this every season.
>No good rivals
Shota. Enough said.
>shitty rushed league
It's different, with more focus on the final battles instead of the unimportant preliminaries. After all, it's what it ultimately you want to watch from the League.
>Serena being literally worthless for the entire first year
Which is an overall more interesting development for a Pokegirl, actually. Previous iterations already had their shit cut out for them. Serena actually had to escape from his mother's influence before finding her true calling and standing up to her.
>Tripokalon ending rushed and shit
You keep using the word "rushed" and it looks to me like you're using this as a synonym for "bad". You should stop that.
>have goat designs for reccurring background characters and only name about 5 of them
Are you a waifufag, by any chance? Only people like that tend to be bothered with an unimportant character doing its assigned job of taking up space.

>>28323291
It's damaged enough as it is, Clemont will have a lot of work repairing it. Completely destroying it adds nothing to the story.

>>28323443
Not him, but.

>Ash defeated Lucario for the first time.
No objections here.

>Ash made it to the finals for the first time.
Him getting closer each time is putting a carrot on a rope at this point.

>Ash was the leader of his travelling group for the first time, the one who the rest relied on.
He was slidding into this around DP, being the 'ace trainer'.

>Ash lost to a trainer who's Mega had more training then his Synchromon.
More like Origins Red 2.0, who had a super strong Mega but a mediocre everything else.

>>28323490
To attract people or have something different for the main girl?
Does it really matter, it seems the writers can do whatever the fuck they want so long as they don't drastically alter the formula, if they want to have a little fun with whatever then why do they need a reason?

But realistically, I'll go with to attract viewers, which it did.

>>28323482
I'm not 'jealous', I'm just pointing out bad writing. It's executive-mandated since Ash can't actually develop or 'the show would end', but that doesn't excuse it as bad writing.

>>28323555
Except you like to conveniently forget that he progressed in the league and did develop this season.

>>28323539
To attract viewers then keep it at the girl being nervous and shy about her feelings for over 100 episodes? Overall, that probably kill interest given it's not leading to anything.

>>28323443
>Ash defeated Lucario for the first time
Because he had to win a gym, which he always does.
>Ash made it to the finals for the first time
And he reached the semi-finals for the first time in DP. And he lost, which he always does.
>Ash had a fully evolved team for the first time
And he lost, which he always does.
>Ash was the leader of his travelling group for the first time, the one who the rest relied on
And he will leave them, which he always does.
>Ash lost to a trainer who's Mega had more training then his Synchromon
That was losing to an even weaker mode of said Synchromon in a previous battle, even though Ash had had it for less time than Alan had his Mega at that point. Then he jobbed in a ridiculous way at the league, which Ash's mons always do.

The first four are not breaking status quo, they're signals that point to a potential breaking of status quo (which, alas, didn't happen), the fifht one is a justification for another loss. A loss against a rival whom Ash, it seems, will never defeat once.

>>28323490
>purpose of Amour
To fool and to gain viewers. Was it a success?

>Looks at these threads filled with Serena shitposts.
Yes.

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The majority of /padt/ who are still defending the Show are a bunch of hypcrites plain and simple. Do i need to remind you about all those faggots shitting all of 4chan with those Webms saying Ash would win the League for sure time and that XYZ was best Anime? Now you tell me Ash winning the League wasn't important?. GO FUCK YOURSELVES

Catching up on the show, this scene had me in tears https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85CQX2YA8xU

>>28323602
They couldn't even keep the faggotry out of imgur

>>28323582
And you forget that Ash never defeating his recurring rival is regression. Nothing that matters changed.

>>28323590
There are more than enough retards here who are convinced that Serena's feelings for Ash and his feeling for her are developing, so I think they did a pretty great job.

>>28323582
I think it's pretty insulting and looks bad on Ash that a trainer in his FIRST league can win on his first try (Alain) and get further than Ash did in three leagues (Shota) on his first try.

Is Ash just a shitty trainer? Alain accomplished something on his first try that Ash failed to do in 6.

Man, look at this guy writing a 10 page bulletpoint essay over Amour's possible outcomes:

http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?639684-Amourshipping-General-Discussion-V-2-*Spoiler-Warning*&p=18176229#post18176229

>>28323582
>progressed in the league
Meaningless in a series with little continuity as Pokemon, just a different placement for him after his eventual loss.

>develop this season
Which will go into the trash as soon as SM starts.

100% zygarde will sacrifice itself in a way that causes it to be blown into zygarde cells that'll scatter all over Kalos and for plot convenience alola. Ash will promise Bonnie to find them all as he collects them in alola while traveling with dexio and sina and challenging kahunas. Ash will be a wing man for dexio helping him eventually confess to sina then ash will travel back to Kalos to reunite with Bonnie and Clemont and he'll reunite with serena at a tripakalon where serena is now Kalos queen

>>28323621
So one minute the league is all that matters, and the next minute it's not?
He progressed in the league, it's not like BW where he regressed, I have no clue why you guys aren't rejoicing, this literally LITERALLY means next league or the league after he's confirmed to win if things keep going the same as they always have.

>>28323443
Wow, Ash defeated a normal species with nothing really special about it. What an achievement.
Ash lost. It doesn't matter where he places in the hierarchy of losers, the point is he didn't win and he didn't accomplish anything meaningful despite it. Also he did better against Tobias than the DP finalist, so he might as well have been second place. He didn't even get a fucking silver trophy.
Ash was always the leader and one who the group relied on, even if he had a mentor. If you didn't notice his companions followed HIM around.
A fully evolved team that accomplished nothing.
Ash losing to a trainer stronger than him is an accomplishment?

>>28323477
>>28323432
So the entire point of this season was to show that Ash is still not strong enough to win the league, even when he does everything right? To prove that he's the eternal loser? And that's supposed to be good writing?

I'm really sick of you fucking apologists. Nobody ever said that Alain's win wasn't believable. But Ash's win would have been equally believable, he was clearly shown to be at champion level and the entire fucking arc was structured such that he lost because he couldn't control Greninja's power, and needed to master it to defeat his rival. The fight playing out the exact same way just made the whole thing a waste of time. That is shitty writing.

>>28323622
Honestly, I think people who are actually defending Amour are just shitposting. Most of the sane people here see that Amour has kinda stayed in the same spot since it began. Serena feelings are not reciprocated and Amour was there to add to Serena's cuteness. Her goal was far more important, and her crush was something done for fun.

>>28323626

>Is Ash just a shitty trainer? Alain accomplished something on his first try that Ash failed to do in 6.

Alan is fucking battle-obsessed, that's a big point of his character. It's just him and his Charizard looking for fights most of the time, compared to Ash camping with whatever team he has. That's ignoring the shoddy writing.

>>28323674
No it doesn't. They can have Ash come in Top 2 again or regress him. The fact that he wasn't allowed to win at kalos proves they never will let him win.

>>28323633
Do you seriously expect people to take you seriously when you post a serebii link?

>>28323690
No, it does not. No it does not at all.

>>28323662
>more shipping
>no Lillie

No.

>>28323258
Ash lost to Viola first go.
Ash lost to Sanpei.
Ash lost to a fairy type first fight.
Shota was a good rival.
Serena's first year was about finding herself and what she wanted to do.
XY's recurring cast was phenomenal. What are you talking about?


>>28323528
Alan is way stronger then Origins Red. AlanZard>RedZard.

I see XY as a direct continuation of DP had BW not taken place, in terms of role in the group and skills in battling. He progressed further then he had in previous regions and had a much larger role in regards to his friends in the group, that's what counts. If he loses the next League after his Kalos performance everyone is going to be more furious then the Kalos loss. That is unless Ash regresses to BW tier idiocy then loses. The only thing left for him is to win.

>>28323591
Ash lost to Maylenes Lucario in DP and was given a badge even though it was a draw.

>>28323674
>this literally LITERALLY means next league or the league after he's confirmed to win

I'm literally screencaping your post right now. In three or four years, if 4chan, /vp/ and /padt/ still exist, I will spam it so hard they will ban me for it.

>>28323713
>Ash does everything right
>Ash's final opponent is his rival, who beat him because Ash hadn't mastered his power
>Ash masters his power and goes even further beyond
>still loses

Yes it does.

>>28323602
I can see you sweating, anon. You're running out of material.

Those people who went to shitpost about the anime elsewhere (be it /a/ or /v/ or wherever the fuck else they shitposted the show at) are, as you could figure out if you had thought about it for a second, shitposters. They'd shitpost about it too in these threads in a "look what I did, ma' /padt/" sort of way.

Needless to say, whatever opinions they hold are not representative of /padt/ in any way. We've never cared about people joining for the league or XY. Those interested would come to /padt/ on their own.

TL;DR You got rused, congrats.

>>28323719
>Alan is way stronger then Origins Red.
I said 2.0 for a reason.

>>28323713
You are deluded. I almost pity you for believing they will ever let him win if they didn't now. The only way that will happen is due to the show getting cancelled afterwards.

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>>28323662
>This is what amourshippers write in their ffnet accounts

Also the fact that Alan wasn't a last minute rival and was an established character all saga makes his win even worse, because this was the first time in 6 leagues Ash didn't lose to some new random person.

>>28323676
>Amour is just shitposting because Ash doesn't reciprocate in the open field
>Naruto married Hinata
Even thematically it makes sense
Shitposter begone

>>28323743
>>28323765
>does everything right
>no Charizard
As though they'd ever have a winning league without having Charizard participate.
Ash isn't going to win the league with some flavor of the season meme Pokemon that he just met over a Pokemon that he has an actual bond with like Charizard or Pikachu.

>>28323788
Naruto wasn't mandated by execs to be an eternal child repeating the same adventure ad nauseum. Naruto grew up.

>>28323743
He. Is. A. Child.
A child can master thousands of precise killing skills and still be easily fended off by the average adult

>>28323788
But Naruto actually realized 'Holy shit, Hinata likes me'.

>>28323719
That would make sense, if Pokemon was actually a series with continuity. But the truth is that Ash, like Pikachu, is only as competent as the writers want him to be in a certain series, with the top cap being that he can't win the league. If they wanted so, they would make him regress to a top-8th placement in whatever league equivalent Alola will have (because there will be an equivalent after the island trials), only to have him place 4th or 2nd on the region after it, and good luck trying to find out any coherent continuity and progression in that case.

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>>28323822
Yet somehow the children in every Pokemon game win? And children in countless other shonen?

What the fuck do you think you're discussing here?

>>28323821
Doraemon is the better show and he didn't grow up.

So, about this amour progressing or not progressing discussion

How about we change "Amour" for "Ash and Serena relationship"? that changes a lot, and at the same time, you are still talking about Amour. But people still think Amour progressing only means kiss hug or sex, otherwise it doesnt progress

>>28323821
>Being a kid means romance wont happen meme

>>28323788
But unlike pokemon, Naruto had a point a that followed to b. Not an eternal stagnation of a?

>>28323863
Amour has always meant Ash and Serena relationship, which hasn't progressed.

>>28323788
Naruto isn't an inconclusive series, it has different sources (manga vs games), and a steady cast of characters that are more or less relevant through it, but that still are there. Kishimoto being shit at writing love and relationships doesn't put it in the same place as Pokemon.

>>28323885
You actually think it hasnt?

>>28323873

Romance didn't happen while Naruto was a kid.

>>28323846
Children win against the idiot computer, they don't win against actual older players.
They're lucky if they can even leave lasting damage on older players without 6 box legends
Don't even try

>>28323909
>do you
ftfm

>>28323927
This is some next level rationalization.

So you're saying the point of this season was to prove that kids will never amount to anything? And in your mind that's good writing?

>>28323809
>marketing over writing
You're right, this is exactly what this anime is. But the same marketing is of the misguided idea that letting Ash win would kill the show despite multiple anime staffers themselves having expressed a different opinion, so the only way Charizard could be brought back for a league and allowed to win it would be once the marketers decide the show is no longer profitable and that the way to best cut their losses and sell some more merchandise for the last time is Ash winning. XY&Z taught me it makes no sense to look at this anime in any way other than cynical marketing terms.

>>28323975
Dude. The show isn't over.
The only time you can say he never amounts to anything if the show ends and he hasn't won.

You don't get to say things like that yet.

>>28323975
No it is not the *point* of the season. It's just part of the logic.
Real world children do not defeat adults unless they are prodigys, which Ash isn't
The show isn't just about Ash winning leagues

>>28323909
What exactly has "progressed" about it? Serena has helped Ash sure, but she STILL insecure about her feelings whenever it's brought up. It's always the same gag, she steams or tries to changed the subject. On Ash side, we can argue for ages about whether or not the "signs" he's shown are attraction or not. But quite frankly, with only about 8(?) episodes left they haven't done anything with him to show he's growning significantly more attracted to her. He shows more interest in Alain and Shota ffs.

What we mean by progressing is some indication of WHY Serena is so hesitant so she can have SCREENTIME building up her courage to do it, with other characters help. On Ash side, have him glance at Serena and wonder about what he feels for her, or blush. That's what progress would be at this point.

>>28324013
>Real world children do not defeat adults unless they are prodigys, which Ash isn't
Still above average, since everyone in his town quit and became family people.

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>Satoshi arrives to Alola
>Meets Lillie
>They hit it off well
>It's mutual affection
>Falls in love with her
>All shipfags kill themselves
>Satoshi kills himself because his one true love is a jellyfish

>>28323857
Because Doraemon doesn't pretend to have some overarching plot or goal for Nobita beyond "eventually making him less of a retard and into a semi-functional adult so that his family doesn't have to eat shoes in the future" (which we already know he does). It's basically what Pokemon would be if they'd drop the leagues, the evil teams and the gyms, only leaving the CotD episodes and the companions' goals. Or rather, Pokemon is basically what Doraemon would be if they had a big arc each four years about Nobita studying hard for his final exams, then failing 5th grade, and then suddenly he transfers school, changes his friends and does the 5th grade again while still being 11 years old.

>>28324051
Well things just don't work that way.
Not every kid raised in a crummy town is a success story. And not every story that involves battles is about battling

>>28324011
I'm just humoring you. His age doesn't fucking matter one bit. He clearly outclasses numerous adults with far more experience than Alain. I'm also not talking about the player in the games, I'm talking about the fucking character. The story of the games and numerous other shonen involves a child beating adults. Ash was clearly strong enough to win based on the narrative, but didn't because status quo.

>>28324013
>the show isn't just about Ash winning leagues
It was this season. Nothing else happened.

Oh but wait, he's going to stall punished snake with his gay mega friends for a while until deus ex machina. Totally worth the rest of the season being a complete waste of time.

>>28324090
>Not every kid raised in a crummy town is a success story.

Pokemon can't pull this card, though. This is a series where the evil team always loses from the the power of friendship, for fucks sake.

>>28324117
>Nothing happened
Just because you hate Amour doesn't mean you need to disrespect it

>>28324090
You would have a point if Pokemon actually explored either of these concepts. It obviously does not.

>>28324123
Lets try that angle, Digimon would absolutely pull this card and probably will in a future season

With the newfound life breathed into the writing, why cant pokemon?

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What if they threw a curveball and made Plumeria the companion?

>>28324167
Why would it? The show sells on this repetitive drivel.

>newfound life breathed into the writing
>saying this after XYZ38

Come on son.

>>28324174
(you)
I don't understand the obsession with forcing Serena to leave. It's autistic

>>28324013
And 10 years old usually defeat terrorist organizations bent on world domination/destruction, while being given freedom to roam the countryside with some companion critters.

Your analogy is flawed. And were Tyson, Virgil and Jon Motherfucking Dickson adults, though?

>>28324174
She's a known Team Skull(?) member by the audience, the whole thing would be dramatic irony.

I'd love it.

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>>28324174
All of my boners

>>28324217
>he's still clinging to Serena
just

>>28324208
>One episode completely destroys all episodes

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>>28324174
Then they shoot themselves in the foot by having degenerate trash as main girl instead of long hair Serena or Lillie.

I only get angrier when I get to watch other kids' shows and they actually have a complete story to tell. Pokémon itself has no reason not to switch protagonists every few years (like many other merchandise-driven shows do including our beloved Aikatsu) considering the games themselves do it and the audience for the show is meant to cycle through new kids who wouldn't be attached to a pre-existing character any more than they'd be to a new face. They'd only need to have a Pikachu around every time.

>>28324167
>With the newfound life breathed into the writing, why cant pokemon?

Because Pokemon hasn't set itself up for that. At least in Digimon they established early that they could get hurt and sacrifices have to be made. Pokemon has been happy go lucky more than not. You can't be a comedy that turns into a horror unless you actually transiton into it well. This is why people say the TF arc is goofy trying to be dramatic, when Pokemon is far from a tragic series six gens in.

>>28324217
He never mentioned Serena leaving. Calm the fuck down.

>>28324219
Those organizations weren't packing like Alain.
One breach in logic doesn't justify others
Once again Digimon had giant monsters and shit that can't happen but still realistic development
Why are you so desperate for pokemon not to

>>28324243
>newfound life breathed into the writing
>same exact shit as before, just with more sakuga

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>>28324246
>having an IQ of 77

>>28324167
Newfound life into writing is an elegant euphemism for "same shit with a different coating" or "a much more scenic route to the same precipice".

Also, because Digimon changes MCs every new series, that's why they can take those liberties and experiment with new concepts and plotlines.

>tfw just waiting for last episodes with just Ash and Serena traveling together after the lemons fuck off.

>>28324269
>Judging the flare arc before its even done

>>28324243
People thought Ash would win the league, and despite everything looking good for Ash he STILL lost. Status Quo.

The only other thing that was different about this saga was the "romance" between Ash and Serena. And it similarly has had much press, but will probably crash and burn just like the league did. But at least it really didn't move past simple teasing.

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Why Ash didn't notice any girl's feeling? Because he is a pussy

>Precure and sentai shows change cast every year
>still massive successes
I suppose it's way too late to get the hint. Or maybe Rica secretly comes from a yakuza family who threatens OLM never to replace her.

>>28324330
I'm never said it was bad or good, I was talking about the 'mood' of the arc.

Sad reality: Ash will probably be around 30 years.

>>28324306
I can easily see her staying with Clemont and Bonnie in Lumiose when Ash leaves as they all will probably say goodbye to him at the same time.

>>28324306
It's a long way from Kalos to Kanto. If Serena goes, she's not going in order to see him off. I guess they could always bring up a reason for her to go to Kanto, but chances are that this isn't happening.

However, I'd like to see Satoshi at Serena's house.

>>28324306
>Implying it will happen
Prepare for yet another BTFO

>>28324306
Just like how
>Ash won the League
>Serena saved Ash
>Alan attacked Ash
>and Serena saved Hari-San

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>Amourfags searching new hints for their non canon pairing.

Imagine the intense catalog explosion when Serena leaves

>>28324375
Fine by me.

If I ever have children, I'd like for them to see the same character I grew up with, through his good and bad times. Hopefully mostly good from now on.

>>28324440
You want them to learn that children never amount to anything no matter what?

>>28324429
It isn't honorable to kick someone while they're down. Although if said people talked big and tripped themselves up, I suppose it'd me more deserved.

>>28324421
Watch out of the potential next one

>Serena won't fall for Clemont

>>28324454
You have to be a special kind of loser to see things that way.

>>28324459
*it'd be more deserved

>>28324440
>"No, dad, I'd rather watch something that will actually have a plotline fulfilled. Also, when is mommy coming back from Uncle Tyrone's house?"

>>28324480
>a special kind of loser
Sounds like Ash.

>>28324459
Which is what people have been pretty much doing in these generals. Remember when people disagreed with others about Ash winning the league? What were they called? "Shitposters". But Ash lost the league.

Next up is Amour probably falling through, and just ending with Serena just blushing at Ash and waving goodbye. No kiss, no hug, no official relationship.

>>28324260
>>28324351
Following the same character has its own benefits. If the writers/execs were remotely competent they could actually have him progress without needing to replace him I mean hell, everything in Kalos was set up for a league win with complications preventing further progress, justifying another soft reset without erasing his development.

But nope, people would be too happy with that.

>>28324480
Yeah like someone who watches and supports a 22 minute commercial with absolutely no plot and wants to raise their children on it when books fucking exist

>>28324061
>Ash loves pokemon
>Lille's true identity is a Jellyfish
Perfect. its like the new Latias

>>28324563
When will Ash be arrested for bestiality?

mfw My parents where right when they said this was a pointless brainless show and I should go read a book

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>>28324496
>NTRfag
That explains a lot.

When will they actually use the walkie talkies Clemont made them. No one even tried to contact Ash.

>>28324615
You must be over 18 to post in here.

They could have done so much with Amour. But keeping it at laughing how cute Serena is in her misfortune, or people knowing about her crush as she spills spaghetti and Ash looks on clueless is such great development.

>>28324061
mfw Ash catches a Lille/Jelly fish for his team.

>>28324524
>Following the same character has its own benefits
Not for this long with this repetitive a main plotline. The only ways the same main character can believably last 20+ years is either when the show has no continuity and set goal a la Sazae-san or when there's actual variety and constant progress, like most shonen series. The Pokémon anime is a clusterfuck of bad writing where the few occasional nuggets of decent to good writing are ruined by the impossibility of taking plotlines to conclusion. The most baffling thing is that it only affects the anime and not the games it's based on nor other adaptations like Pokespe (which is also endless and full of bad writing due to necessary retcons, but the mere fact that you can expect a complete storyline from each individual arc already makes it immensely more satisfying by default).

This is by far the most sane padt I have ever seen.
Not agreeable, but it wasn't literally just Serena's face and Amour worship the whole day

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I genuinely that people who think Serena is the best girl and that her relationship with Ash is the most meaningful suffer from some form of autism.

People who have autism have a harder noticing social cues, meaning that they cannot fully understand and appreciate a truly deep friendship. The writers are very "in your face" about how Serena feels towards Ash, often showing her blushing at him, getting very visibly upset and embarrassed when someone brings up her crush, and they even toss a gleamy-pink background (pic related) on scenes that show Ash "from her perspective." The writers are constantly stuffing easily digestible cute, although very shallow, moments between her and Ash into the show. Their overall dynamic together feels clunky and almost pointless due the writers constantly injecting "amour moments" into the show.

>cont...

>>28324734
The Amour worship died down a bit after the league loss, as it should have. Most people have been sick of the writers refusal to take any risk in this show for a while, and being set in their ways of having Ash lose leagues over and over again.

>>28324734
It's just been people arguing the anime is shit, and people justifying it being shit.

There are only two choices: She leaves Kalos with Ash to go to Kanto or just stays in Kalos.

There's no way that she will confess or Amour be made canon at the end of XYZ. Even then only 'Serena in Alola' would mean that it's implied canon, which the writers will never do. That means, they have to have some other Pokegirl balance it all out if Serena ever does leave Kalos.

We'll just have to wait till next week or two. They could have some specials or something planned after TF arc.

>>28324696
>>28324789

The main flaw of Amour is that Serena just can't form a strong bond with Ash. The closest is people knowing of her crush and supporting her in it, but they don't do anything else. But they never say about how Ash and Serena have a strong bond, because it doesn't exist (despite how Amourfags claim otherwise). Serena is just too passive to do anything, and she's delusional in regards to her relationship with Ash.

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>>28324789
On the other hand, take Ash and Dawn, who have more fleshed out and nuanced friendship. It is clear that they deeply respect, admire, and learn from each-other without the writers shoving it in our face.
Ash and Dawn's friendship flows smoothly because there is no forced feelings between them.

>>28324789
Check this post out. >>28324038

Those are actual ways they COULD have made Amour seem like it was leading to something.

LOL, I clicked a youtube video about Ash in Alola and the very first reply I see is, "All I want is Misty to return to the cast" with 13 upvotes.

Why are people so fucking retarded?

>>28324714
There was a steady stream of progress from OS to DP. XY could have completed it at a pretty satisfying point, especially with SM diverging from leagues completely. Instead it left everyone blueballed forever.

>>28324817
And this is absolutely better than usual.

>>28324838
Gross.

But anyways, how does AshxMay stack up?

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>>28324905
Ash/May was a more toned down version of Ash/Serena, with a lot more bickering but some heartfelt moments.

Finally, after many years of being mocked by Amourfags we can finally take over /padt/ muahahahahahaha!

>>28324905
Ash/May is one of the weaker ones because of Drew.

>>28324828
>But they never say about how Ash and Serena have a strong bond, because it doesn't exist (despite how Amourfags claim otherwise). Serena is just too passive to do anything, and she's delusional in regards to her relationship with Ash.
Agreed. I loved amour up to around XY80, but since then and after the lack of genuine development on Ash's side I got progressively less into it. Right now it not leading anywhere would be my expected outcome regardless of the league loss (although of course a league win would've made me more hopeful about it indirectly), because unlike the league, I never felt they were really seriously building it up.

>>28324938
The bickering actually helps their dynamic. It strengthens their relationship. Ash and Serena barely interact.

>>28324857
Very possible considering how much Pokemon is pandering to the Gen 1 crowd. I would prefer Mallow over her honestly.

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>>28324947
Honestly Ash/May was a prototype Ash/Serena. May looks like Serena here.

>>28324905
Similarly, they certainly have a different dynamic than AshxDawn I just used Dawn because I knew the most about her

>>28324828
What would happen that would make her decide stay with Clemont and Bonnie and leave Ash?

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Ash also grabbed May by the hand and ran with her out of danger in some episodes. In fact Ash looked after May the second most after Serena.

>>28324817
Closest thing to actual discussion this thread can have.
Better than spamming serena for hours and calling everyone who doesn't a shitposter

>>28324954
Serena blushing over Ash started getting old around XY80.

But as I said here.

>What we mean by progressing is some indication of WHY Serena is so hesitant so she can have SCREENTIME building up her courage to do it, with other characters help. On Ash side, have him glance at Serena and wonder about what he feels for her, or blush. That's what progress would be at this point.

That would have actually showed some effort in developing it.

Why is it when people talk about how much they like Amour, it sounds like a liquid drug?
Got some more Amour for ya

>>28324947
I forgot about that guy. Him and Max are a huge hindrance now that I think of it. The first episodes of Hoenn were so comfy with just Ash and May in them.

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>>28324734
You just had to jinx it, eh?

>>28324838
Almost everyone they met in Sinnoh and Unova comment about how Ash and Dawn have such a strong relationship together, or at least they have that impression because of how well they get along together.
I haven't really had that impression regarding Serena, people who seem to notice her crush on Ash just tell her to act on her crush or expressing support in some way, but not much else. Serena still either drops spaghetti or blushes but the writers intended for her to be the emotional antithesis of Dawn.

>>28325024
>80 episodes for signs of development to wane
>show is nearly 1000 episodes
>Digimon usually reaches like 50 episodes for their shows and concludes them with characters reaching their goals without being gary stus
Why live

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>>28324817

>>28325091
There's no excuse for Bonnie not having done ANYTHING to help Serena. It makes absolutely no sense given what we know of her character and the fact we know she knows about Serena's crush.

Is Adamant ded? Where are the subs?

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>>28322555
Looks like Ash is literally having a Pokewaifu next season

>>28325169
>There's no excuse for Bonnie

Besides propsals, what /can/ Bonnie offer? Expecting someone even younger to understand affections is even more far-fetched.

>>28325178
he synchro'd with ash and gave up at the last moment

>>28325219
But she does? She knew what Millefeui and Serena were talking about on two different occasions.

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I had to admit. SM has top tier designs.

I hope the Anime doesn't flop like BW

>>28324998
As someone who has recently rewatched AG, I can tell that everything about May is completely terrible, especially her relationship with Ash. There isn't nearly enough meaningful interaction between the two outside of the Manaphy film, and since Drew x May is pretty much canon and Ash doesn't really mind it, the shipping part of that relationship is nonexistent, unless you count the Manaphy film, I guess.

>>28325387
It goes:

Ash/Dawn
Ash/Misty (Kanto)
Ash/Serena
Ash/Misty (Johto)
Ash/May
Ash/Iris

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This is an SM thread now!

>>28325178
They're editing the episode to have Ash win the league.

Lillie best not be some alien freak or else there might not be any good girls left in Alola to be potential main girls.

>>28325423

Not really, bait-kun it's more like:

Ash/Serena (Actually canonical indication that it's real to some extent)
>Ash/Dawn (Completely platonical, and more of a relationship between brother/sister)
>Ash/Misty (Kanto) (some things here and there, but largely made up by 4kids)
>Ash/Iris (They kind of had a date episode)
>Ash/Misty (Johto) (Misty wasn't even a character anymore)
>Ash/May (Drew)

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>>28325517
>Serena is systematically hunting down qt Alolan grills

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>Those bony anorexic knees.
Would not fug.

>>28322555
Can anyone edit the moving matrix background into his eyes?

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>>28325517
Though what's in the bag of lillie that's still not explained, I'd cling on to lillie = mb-01 theory for now. Doesn't make it bad though, she's still waifuble.

>>28323509
The rule of tokyo tower states that it must be destroyed.

>>28325648
>People honestly believed Magearna was in her bag.

>>28325595
Fuck off tumblr, I won't ever into fat acceptance. Fucking mart sharters

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Serena a best

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>>28325791

>>28325767
She is just slightly below average weight so her legs look a bit weird.

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>>28325828
Ready for Alola!

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>>28325854
Oh shit what am I doing how did this get here I am not good with computer

Aaaand the thread is dead

rate your SM girls

>>28303528

>>28325951
It's just sleeping

POCKETTO MONSTERS XO Y AND ZETTO IS THE BEST ANIME EVER MADE

>>28325951
Just like Amour will be

>>28325988
Yes
Unlike the other Pokemon series, XY it's good and not boring

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>>28325979
Done

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These are the Alola companions. How do you feel about this?

>>28326056
The fuck

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>tfw Perfect Zygarde is actually an Alola Ultra Beast.

>>28326056
I'd rather have the tiefu

>>28326116
That move made semen pour out of my eyes

>>28326116
That's some bullshit of a Pokemon.

>>28326134
How about those two as the kids (Max and Bonnie) and the tiefu as the lead girl? Serena shows up for all the Tripokalon episodes.

>>28325979
Lusamine > Lillie >>> chicken > everyone else

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>>28325979

>>28326055
>>28326189
post it in the thread. someone's going to make an average of it

>>28326228
Done, just posting it here too so bros could see how shit my taste is.

>>28326159
As long as we see based Ash and tiefu interaction I'm happy

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>>28326159
>Serena and Ash separate so Serena can study with Yashio
>Yashio tells Serena that Alola will be having performances, and it might make for great practice until the next Kalos Queen event
>Ash arrives in Alola and sees an advertisement that mentions performances featuring the runner-up to Kalos Queen
>after Ash gets his traveling group together, he keeps bringing their travels to sudden halts every time he catches wind of a performance in town
>the more his entourage gets to know Ash, the more confused they get over why he's so insistent on not missing a second of these performances

>>28326293
That would a cute.

>>28326392
>Ash wants to stay after the show and meet her
>one of his kid traveling companions drags him out of the building by the ear so they can get back on the road

>yfw Ash becomes the new Brock

>>28325387
What is so terrible that you're complaining about?

>>28323037
We don't know the TF arc will end, but I can see "anime magic" having the Zygardes fixing the damage they made. but not Clembot for plot coinvinence.

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Will Lysandre be like image related when the megalith starts going ape shit?

>>28326293
>>the more his entourage gets to know Ash, the more confused they get over why he's so insistent on not missing a second of these performances

>implying they wouldn't catch on the third or fourth time he yells "SERENA!" at the top of his lungs

>>28323144
>Any kind of romance is now good writing
So Attack of the Clones is the best written SW movie going by your logic.

>>28326894
>implying the original trilogy had no romance
Maybe you don't like those either. Nothing wrong with that.

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What did he mean by this?

Is it safe yet?

>>28327010
Man, I'm gonna miss moments like this if Serena leaves. Its amazing how even stupid 5 second scenes like this made me like XY.

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>>28327012
Yes.

I'm not a spic, what is this guy saying in this video about the Sun/moon saga?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bfIN3rcKQw

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>>28327010
Approximately the same thing that they meant by this

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>>28327153
I like how Ash's mind completely went places in that one scene.

>>28327174
>Ash feels a sudden, almost instinctual desire to share Pikachu's egg group

>>28327393
Hainchu a best.

Top 10 ratings - August 29 to September 4 (episode 57)

Sazae 12.4
Doraemon anniversary special 9.6
Chibi Maruko-chan 9.0
One Piece 7.6
Dragon Ball Super 6.8
Detective Conan 6.1
Yokai Watch 3.9
Ace Attorney 3.4
Folktales from Japan 3.2
Pokemon XY & Z 3.0
RINNE2 3.0

Team Flare arc has had higher ratings than the league so far.

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>>28327393

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>>28327393
Their faces look kinda weird in there.

>>28327431
which actually means that they should just drop the leagues next seasons beyond alola altogether, focus on the lore and have Ash be some kind of pokemon adventurer, have Gary be back for "research" and the new female be the one looking for the league win.

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>>28327174
Sort of like pic related, in the split second between Ash being really excited and Ash being really nervous

>>28327565
Its probably due to the fact that we have a competent villain team arc and its done pretty well so far. I wouldn't be surprised if ratings decline the moment the Flare arc ends.

I imagine they'll be a slight increase in ratings once Sun/Moon begins as the start of a saga always has a spike at first, but it'll probably continue to decline especially if Serena leaves.

>replying to ratings discussion

>>28327565
Probably japanese audiences figured that regardless of the result the league was a build up for the TF arc. But then again putting too much though onto ratings these days doesn't do much.

Ratings will tank if Serena leaves. Its pretty obvious the Japanese were largely attracted to XY because of Serena/Amour and competent Ash. Get rid of that and who cares.

S/M will just be watched by new little kids but I imagine most older fans will clock out.

>>28327666
But they're already low

>>28327686
The beginning of XY still has ratings in the 5's. Now the average ratings is in the 2.0's to early 3.0's.

Sun/Moon starting with this low a rating would be disasterous because ratings always decline when a saga airs.

I wonder how the anime will handle Alola, shits all over the place with crazy stuff.

>>28327697
Maybe if the ratings get destroyed they'll hire actual writers

>>28327666
>Ratings will tank if Serena leaves.

>Serena leaves and ratings are low
>wow the anime sucks now since she's not there so it's natural that the ratings decline
>Serena stays and ratings are low
>well it's natural for ratings to decline as time passes and it would've been waaay worse if Serena left so she really has that big an effect
You're going to be this guy, aren't you?

>>28327778
Amour is a religion

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Ah well, it had been a while since ratings were brought up.

>>28327778
Well its just proof the anime has run its course then,right? We're 20 years into the show with Ash as the same leads. Its more proof that no matter what the writers do, Ash's character and story should have ended by now.

>>28327778
the only thing stopping a good anime is Ash not retaining his gains in Kalos. if they integrate his XY Character to whatever his S/M character is, it will boost interest on the anime.

Also, if they put Lillie on the main group, that would be a big boost in interest, given the mystery surrounding her.

>>28327821
>le ratings are proof of anything meme
Go back to where you came from

>>28327834
Lillie will probably be a recurring character. If she's in every episode her personality won't seem so mysterious and she'll delve into the usual "nice friendliness" Ash's friends always become.

>>28327834
The mystery surrounding her would be better kept by her appearing once in a while if anything.

>>28327821
>The fact that the show was among the 10th most watched out of 70-80 shows nearly every single week is proof that the show has run its course
Do you even read the garage you type? If anything, it's literally proof of the exact opposite

>>28327852
Alright sensible adults! The lunatic zoo is closed, let's all go somewhere and talk about shows that aren't commercials with actual plots and stories.

Discussion isn't wanted here you fuckin shitposters, just Serena and nothing else

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>>28327900
Okay.

>>28327900
>spamming the same blatant lies every single week is discussion

>>28327888
That's just because its Pokemon. But its doing poorly for a franchise that used to be huge. Look at that chart, Yokai Watch, Dragonball Super,etc. all do much better than Pokemon.

>>28327940
>Gushing about every pixel on Serena is discussion

>>28327900
>let's all go somewhere and talk about shows that aren't commercials with actual plots and stories.
HhAHAH oh anon pls. All the animes are commercials made to sell merchandise, mangas etc.

I miss the upper half of this thread

>>28327950
>That's just because its Pokemon.

Still ignoring the fact that it's still top 10. The games sell a bit less each gen, but each one is still a best seller of the respective console. Even if you're thinking ratings = pressure to change, why change when you're cream of the crop?

>>28327950
>everything that does worse than fucking Dragonball is doing so bad it might as well get canceled
READ the shit you're writing some time.

In the Amour thread on serebii they all say they're going to quit watching Pokemon if Serena leaves.

>>28327974
Did I say animes? Go thumbwrestle a rhinoceros

>>28328007
Good. You should join them, Scott.

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>>28324061
>Not accepting the jellylove
I knew Ash was a faggot.

>>28328007
But what if amour became canon and neither Ash or Serena are part of the regular cast anymore?

>replying to scottposting

>>28328035
>The whole Lillie is Jelly meme was a ruse, it's actually just a coincidence in the anime
>Ash falls for her.
I can't wait to see the reactions once this happens

>>28328055
>replying to Scott
Kill yourself.

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>>28328065
Conversely,

>Ash falls for Lillie
>Serena had come with and is scared shitless by this development
>turns out Lillie is jelly
>Ash is scarred
>Ash returns to his Serena-obsessed self

There's a whole bunch of spanish people on youtube making new videos of Misty going to Alola with Ash. They post pics of the valentines day Ash/Serena poster and digitally edit it with Misty's face/hair.

So sad the way people delude themselves into thinking Misty will appear every gen.

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>>28328123